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I have a bachelor's and master's in physics, currently working on my PhD in theoretical high energy physics and I think math needs to be S tier. Especially considering courses like real analysis, topology, and algebra are quite abstract and are something that as a formally trained physicist, I would carefully consider before taking, even now.
I have mathematics degree. I studied real analysis , topology and group theory etc. and I found them very difficult to grasp. Not worth the pain and hard work. Pure mathematics has lesser jobs than applied mathematics. I now work in IT as data analyst.
@@jeffreystevens964 Do you find undergrad algebra harder than undergrad analysis? I always thought algebra was way easier than analysis up until you get to specialized fields like representation theory, algebraic geometry, commutative algebra, etc. At that point analysis becomes much easier.
@@masterp9376 I know one who did post doctorate in nuclear physics. He is a professor in a well know university now. Loses his hair line by age 30. Lol
I’m double majoring in CS and Math, and lemme tell you, I expected this degree to be a lot easier than it actually turned out to be. Generally, the first semester of CS tends to be easier with just a programming course, but as soon as second semester hits with Theory of Computation courses, CS students get a reality check
Thats why I plan on taking some time off from working. Maybe even quitting just so I am fully focused on studying. You have to prepare so that you're not overwhelmed but the problem is people take on so many responsibilities that they cannot handle. The other option is you lack the skill sets and work a low end job for the rest of your life.
@@-glitch-8195 Can’t be better said. Students def tend to take up too many responsibilities at first, and make their work very unrealistic. The key to success in CS is being realistic with your time 💯
@@CCapsule That’s facts bro. C starts off pretty easy, but then gets complicated extremely fast imo. Assembly language, advanced data structures and algorithms, Neural Networks in ML, etc. all scream reality check lol
Dude, mathematics should be in S+. You have no idea how hard it actually is. All the hard parts of all engineering fields come from ideas in math, and a math major is required to prove those ideas in the most rigorous way. Complex analysis, graph theory, and mathematical statistics can destroy most people who have thought math is easy for their entire life.
@@fortniter2738 I'm not joking. As a physics major, I've taken few courses on mathematics and they were not easy. Abstract algebra course is just pain.
@@nihilisticboi3520I’m finishing my bachelors in physics next semester, with a minor in mathematics. In my opinion and experience, math did not require nearly as much critical thinking as physics. It’s the problem solving that makes physics courses seem unpassable to so many people, because no matter how much you study or prepare, you may simply just not be able to piece together the riddle that physics questions tend to be.
@@graystone2802 interesting. As much as i agree with you on physics problems, i personally found coming up with proofs in mathematics to be plain hard. Proofs in real and complex analysis, group theory and linear algebra are just hard. The concepts are easy to learn but when a questions pops up on writing proofs, my brain.exe would stop working properly. (when I mean mathematics, i mean like the rigorous proof kind)
I double majored in physics and pure math and in my opinion, math is definitely S tier. From my experience, lower level math like differential equations, multivariable calculus, linear algebra, etc. are easier than physics courses, but upper division pure math like topology, differential geometry, analysis, abstract algebra, etc. are probably the hardest classes a university offers.
im currently studying for a masters in mathematics and there is no lower level math to be honest. Every part of maths can go so much deeper. like differential equations, they are not simple. solving simple ones yes, but how do you prove there are unique solutions, how do you solve higher dimensional equations, or systems of differential equations? The list of questions goes on and on.
@@SFG2921I’m considering pursuing math. I have two years of school left and I am quite good at it (90% student) but by no means a genius that can solve every question in a book or exam. Would you recommend this course considering my ability ?
@@chewy7325 i mean if you are understanding everything at school level quite easily then you should be able to study it at a university level, it will however focus more on proofs and more of an in depth understanding of the material. In school you are always taught how to just answer questions but in university you will have some of these "use the method" type questions, but you will also be required to understand the derivations of these methods and also proofs of some theorems. In my experience, the more simpler theorems of the course are often the ones you need to know proofs for, so dont worry about having to learn proofs for theorems which are like 10 pages long. I was also like you and scored highly in math at school as a kid, never thought of myself as a genius or anything but i never studied and got As in math. In university you will need to start studying. I didnt study all that much though either if i'm honest. maybe a couple hours a week outside classes, and i maintained mostly As throughout my time so far at university.
Mathematics not being in S tier is one of the most insane things I’ve ever seen on this channel. I normally agree with what you say but that is just absurd. Mathematics could easily be in its own tier, especially pure mathematics which is in a completely different league to any physics or engineering degree.
@@CountChokcula Not even close. The majority of the very rigorous proof based classes you take as a math major aren't taught to engineering students, or even most physics students for that matter...
@@CountChokcula I’d agree there. But the very logic/proof based pure math classes aren’t taught to engineers such as algebraic topology, analytic number theory, complex analysis, rigorous probability theory, differential geometry, graph theory etc. I’ve met engineers who didn’t even have to take abstract algebra. Even when engineers do take these classes they are generally taught in a far more computational way and less rigorous.
@@CountChokcula this is completely false in every way. Engineering barely even scratches the surface of mathematics. It’s well known that a mathematics degree is the hardest conceptually because of the rigour and abstract nature of it.
I can't believe you put mathematics in the A tier. Few engineers or physicists can even comprehend what mathematicians do. Easily the most complex human endeavor. Above S tier.
Mathematician here. I think it's a question of a mindset. I think most engineers would be smart enough to understand mathematics, but they have no appreciation for working with abstract concepts very detached from reality. For me it's quite the opposite. I was forced taking some engineering courses in my curriculum and I really suffered through them.
@@fisyr If we are to say that, we could also say that (almost) every person can pass the Math Degree with enough time and dedication, but that doesn't mean it stops being the hardest degree. I'm a Math Degree student, and personally I'm not quite good at calculations (perhaps if I were given an engineering exam where they don't ask you to reason, but to calculate, I would suffer more). But as you said, this is a matter of "mindset", not the "difficulty". In order to assess the difficulty of any topic, we must evaluate from general case, which is a person (let's name them "Alex") who has the ideally "most open mindset". In this case, it's not hard to find that Alex will have much more difficult time studying for the Mathematics Degree than for almost any Engineering (and even for almost any university degree in general, case in which they could at most equal the difficulty).
I wanna argue that mathematicians will probably not be able to around some of the physics and engineering too. They're all specialized in their own fields.
You’re definitely underestimating mathematics. Remember that a lot of the difficulty in STEM subjects come from the mathematics. But when you’re exclusively studying mathematics as a major, then it is going to get extremely difficult and abstract.
I think it is a huge disrespect to put mathematics in A tier. Mathematics is definitely one of the hardest major of all time, arguably the most difficult major (along with physics and statistics). Please do more thorough research and modify ur tier list if possible. Thanks
Definitely not. Mathematics generally is not especially difficult. Unless you’re going into a physics or chemical engineering, a general degree in mathematics is nothing special.
he said "almost" into S tier, so quit whining, even though I agree with you, saying "it is a huge disrespect" is unnecessary when he prefaced his statement.
I dont think you need to be borderline genius for any degree. In germany (and other non anglo saxon nations) for example uni is much more difficult in bachelor than the US with regards to physics and mathematics as you wont do calculus but real anylsis from the very first semester and also in physics youu will learn more advanced things much more early, e.g. in my theoretical physics minorwe had electrodynamics in 4th semester, but this wasnt a course on maxwell equations, but the covariant relativistic formulation of the theory with fieldstrength and energy momentum tensor. We derived the theory out of a lagragian. Lagrange and hamiltonian mechanics was 2nd semester. Measure theory - a graduate course in the US - was 3rd semester. Functional analysis (on bounded linear operators) was 4th semester and i also took a course on martingale theory here (clearly gradute material for the US). In 6th semester i am doing analysis on sobolev spaces. AND YET you dont need to be a genius to do this. I know because i am not and many of my peers arent geniuses either. It however takes a lot of persistence and good learning habits, that you will actively need to improve or rework entirely, to pass. Only about 30% of students that start with math/physics in germany graduate from it. This sounds a bit more dramatic than it actually is as a lot drop out even before writing the first exams. The real success rate of students who try is probably about 40%. This is way off for "you need to be a genius". If only about 10% could do it that try to the point of the first exams so maybe 3% of the entire population the "borderline genius" attribution would be probably correct, but thats far off from reality.
Here is the reason for math should be S. Find any real analysis book, find the first problem from the first problem set and explain what the first question is asking. Not what the answer is, but what the question is asking.
Exactly this. You finish school and you think maths is abstract. You have your first maths lecture and you realise you had only ever seen applied maths. And then you get to the third semester and realise that all the lectures from the first two semesters combined had the sole purpose of getting you past the first theorem of the actually important lectures.
I think that a ‘40 minute video’ is what this type of topic needs. The elaboration is helpful and necessary in my opinion, as i felt that this was just missing something. Nice work regardless.
Difficulty is so subjective. I have students majoring in STEM fields that find writing/research/presenting extremely difficult. For them, the list would look totally different.
But that's false since theres data on stress levels, amount of hours spent studying and drop out rates between degrees. That is objective evidence of difficulty level, not subjective. Obviously interest and (social anxiety) plays a role in presentations, writing etc. But objectively logic heavy courses are more difficult.
But you can learn writing/research/presenting much easier then STEM fields. But for me it would be hella boring so it might be more difficult in that sense.
I have a childhood friend who was a borderline STEM prodigy, but couldn't write a Persuasive or Narrative essay to save his life. Likewise, I was reading and writing at a college level from an early age but I have horrendous dyscalculia
I mean, I’m a senior engineering student and while I do find that writing/presenting is extremely difficult, I also know that if I decided to learn that instead then I would have WAY more time on my hands. I know the classes themselves are easier and the concepts are faster to learn because they’re not clouded by obscure levels of abstraction
@@ShaneHummus why is mathematics not in S tier? Were you intoxicated while making this tier list? Mathematics is literally the hardest subject out there.
Me studying +6 hours per day (not counting in-person class sessions) just to barely pass any exam in Math Degree seeing a random guy valuing it as an "A-tier" (behind many engineering): 👉🤡🤡🤡👈
Point of note: at my university, Biomedical Engineering is considered the hardest, most competitive majors. Since it is so competitive, there is a rigorous process to even be accepted into the major (essentially requiring straight A's in the first 1-2 years of college, especially in the first 8 physics credits, calc 1-3, 8 chemistry credits, and biology. Additionally, an essay is required that is highly scrutinized. I know multiple people with 4.0 GPA's as sophomores who were rejected.) The rigorous acceptance process likely reduces the number of drop outs significantly.
Same here! I double-majored in Biomedical Engineering and Psychology and now I'm a sophomore in med school. Let me tell you, my undergraduate was a living hell, but I am so grateful. I had a leg up on my classmates in all my introductory anatomy/physiology courses (and a lot of them were physiology and biology majors!) because BME requires such an in-depth, broad conception of the workings of the human body. Do not even get me started on the computer stuff though oml. Not a fan of programming. Not a fan of 3-D modeling. That being said, those courses taught me a lot even if they did permanently fracture my soul.
@@bigbutterboy4887 Congratulations! I want to go to med school, but I'm struggling to build up my resume outside of just academics (ie. clinical experience, leadership opportunities) because the BME course load is so intense.
I’d assume the reason for it being competitive is try hard premeds want to get into to have a great backup along with people who actually want to get in the program
The difficulty level can depend on the program at your school. I attended two different universities for the same major and one was definitely harder than the other.
I’m doing a Cybersecurity and Comp-sci major with a dual major of math and Computer networking and secure software development… the breakdown of encryption and security boggles my mind. My professors are all insanely smart and still consistently learn new things. The fact that we have to constantly learn and adapt to new technologies is pretty crazy. I would say that’s near S tier if not very low S tier.
Cyber isn’t too bad. But CompSci does have a lot of attention to detail and memorizing a lot of rules, which some people may or may not get easily or some too hard.
@@aaron-damonkassner4715cyber isn't too bad? Do you not do advance reverse engineering, ROP attacks, and cryptography? I can't imagine a normal person getting even close to doing this, God forbid you include ai anti binary exploitation to that.
@@klutch4962 we have some of those in our courses but it’s important to get the material but physically running it can be time consuming but it is fun.
As someone who majored (at some point) mechanical engineering, physics, and economics. I cannot stress enough how obscenely difficult physics is compared to anything I’ve ever experienced before. I see a lot of comments saying how mathematics should be S, but I think it’s extremely important to make the distinction between physics and mathematics as many of the harder classes required for a mathematics degree are not only required for a physics degree but also the application of them at a high level is required to even comprehend the basics. I was surrounded by geniuses and I myself am far from a genius and that’s why I have an Econ degree. :)
Math is much harder than physics. Your point about how "high" level math classes is required in physics is just wrong, atleast in undergrad. Physics requires some calc 3, ODE/PDE, and linear at the undergrad level. If you're a very advanced undergrad, you might use some basic group theory or differential geometry for GRprerequisite. But these are in intro classes for math majors (an intro to manifolds class pretty much only requires analysis as a prereq).
@@stopkillingmemes7259I think that must depend on the college. At least at my college I don't think Math was harder than physics. That said, the difficulty of your math major also depended on the type of math you were doing. You needed to take real analysis and linear algebra but after that you could go a more pure math route (number theory, abstract algebra, topology etc.) or a more grounded applied math route (probability, statistics, financial engineering, etc). The latter was definitely easier than physics whereas the former I am not familiar enough with to compare.
@@stopkillingmemes7259 at my university (but in germany, so that's probably not comparable), you attend the maths lectures of the math major on top to the physics lectures in the first three semesters. After that, you are encouraged to take differential geometry, function analysis and function theory if you want to pursue a more theoretical track - all next to your physics lectures. I wouldn't say that physics is harder than maths in general, but if you have this system physic-students just take double the amount of lectures and basically are part of the maths students in the first two years.
If you are good in math you can handle physics, but even if you are good at physics there is no guarantee that you can do well in higher level math classes like Real Analysis or Complex Analysis, or Topology
I wouldn’t say a Music degree is easy at all. The level of knowledge needed prior to beginning this degree is often incomparable to those starting other fields. For instance, an individual studying Cello Performance in undergraduate likely practiced and took lessons for over 10 years prior to starting college. You can’t just become a Music Performance major on a whim. Something to take into account…
In high school, I heard a fellow band mate telling our band director that he was tired of all these hard math and science classes, and in college he is going to take something easy, like music. I am sure the band director is still laughing after all these years.
@@hectornieves537 The people thinking this have no clue how much talent (natural aptitude) and practice (skill) is required to be good enough at music to get into a college music program. It would be just as hard for the AVERAGE person to do a degree in music as it would be for them to do a degree in math. Preparing for music starts LONG before getting into college, which is not the case with engineering/math etc
I respect and admire whoever majors in Mathematics/Physics and all this crazy stuff; is just way too hard for me, it looks exhausting and I would probably go insane in the first semester
The issue with degrees like art, dance, music, etc. is that they often require an extra level of qualification that you might simply be unable to achieve regardless of your effort. For example, I have a sister that got into a college with a very good art program. Despite the fact that she has been dedicated to art since at least early high school (spends most of her free time improving at it) and is very talented IMO, she still couldn't qualify for the degree after taking the prerequisites. The people who get into the degree at her school are apparently already at a graduate level of talent relative to other school's programs, which kinda makes you wonder why they need much education at all, but does keep the program as a well-known one for placing so well. I feel like we shouldn't neglect the difficulty in qualifying for artistic degrees, because with other competitive degrees, regardless of difficulty, you can just ace a few freshman classes and get in as long as you work hard enough in your courses.
To be fair, with the exception of pre-law and pre-med, he wasn’t measuring them on how hard it was to “get accepted into” the degree program. He was measuring how difficult the actual degree program is to “complete”…like how difficult the coursework is. Most people (well, all, really, because there is usually an audition or something for the performing arts) who do an art or music degree already know how to draw, sing, play an instrument, etc. The degree program is just helping to take the student to the next level and give them a comprehensive education surrounding that talent. Engineering, Organic Chemistry, Computer Programming, Molecular Biology, and Applied Physics concepts are concepts the students have been exposed to, but most are not near proficient in going into the degree program. These degree programs take intense learning, studying, memorization, critical thinking, and application to master. One would argue there is definitely more “learning” required with these than in an art degree. Sure, one could argue that an art degree or music degree is equal. One could argue that the ability of a person to solve physics problems is a natural talent just like singing or playing piano. I do believe Will Hunting (Good Will Hunting, 1997) compared being able to play a piano as equal to being able to do organic chemistry. It is indeed subjective. But, at the end of the day, most people would agree art and performing arts degrees are much easier to complete than an engineering physics degree.
the problem in there might be the subjectivity of those qualifiers. In other subjects, you just do what is required and get the result from how much of the tasks were done right. In art, there's no objective measure to evaluate how good or bad the dance was or how good or bad the drawing is. It's just subjective since someone likes one style, someone likes another. I remember one dancing show where a professional award-winning dancer got rejected for her dance being "too emotionless and boring" by the people who got much less achievments than she did
That’s why as much as I love the arts I think it’s a stupid idea to major in them. I hate the idea of being judged on an objective, quantitative scale for something that should be done as your own personal artistic expression. If you are being judged against other artists and have to make “better” art than them to be successful, then it isn’t really art anymore. This goes the same for trying to make a career out of art. I think it’s great if you can make money off of your art, but if you’re going in with the intent of making money, I don’t see it as art anymore.
@@steveharris1740 As a physics major I took two semesters of organic chem. It was challenging, because there was so much to remember, but I liked it very much. I'm a guitar player, and I have given the piano a try, but I don't think there is any question that playing the piano well would be much more difficult than learning organic chemistry. I think in any discipline that involves performance, the performance requirement would put it beyond the reach of most people.
@@goldmantis5850 at a certain point of artistic mastery then sure, its pointless to compare nirvana against celine dion. But when you are below that level, art CAN be judged. My uni was a top performing arts school (i dont study music) with lots of talented people, but talented as they are they are far, far below professional musicians even after they graduate. Music is not as simple as playing very fast or composing fire songs, and people who are good at one thing (i.e. music theory) may not be very good at another aspect of the art. Music majors function to standardize aspiring artists so they can have a baseline understanding across multiple aspects of music
As an aerospace engineer, theoretical mathematics is the hardest thing there is to learn. American engineers don't learn anything about theoretical math but for example in Italy or france before studying engineering you have to go through real analysis, complex analysis, algebra etc which is 99 % proofs
You should make a separate tier for musical performance majors. I promise it’s an S tier with ease. There’s a huge difference between being a pop singer and a classical violinist, let me tell you. In fact, getting your degree almost feels like a competition
Was a violinist at a top conservatory and later became a computer scientist. I would say that musical performance makes it to High B tier, maybe low A tier with all the difficulties added in since the concepts are hard but less difficult to grasp than theoretical majors. The practicing of 8-10 hours a day was grueling but more about perseverance in my opinion, same with the competition with classmates and often demanding/condescending professors. I would have put computer science into S tier if you started accounting for advanced algorithms classes, but at the bachelor level A seems appropriate. I never hit a situation in music where for it took whole weeks of overwhelming frustration and studying my ass off to even begin to understand the elementary concepts in some tough algorithms.
@@Rwasup123 you make a really good point there. Whether it’s easy or hard though, the depression rates must say something about how difficult it at least “feels”. I guess it’s worth noting that getting the degree isn’t actually the real difficulty, it’s about making your degree as standout. The degree comes with the pressure of needing to win a big competition and what not. So in some ways, the major is tough, but the degree is not as much so
As a masters student in theoretical physics, you grossly underestimate how difficult mathematics is as a university subject. I went into physics _because_ of how difficult a math degree is. We have to take 1 course from the mathematics department as part of our degree and it's the one everyone fears the most. (note I am also referring to pure math here)
@@Betweoxwitegan In the masters I took two courses on quantum field theory for particle physics and two courses on quantum field theory for condensed matter physics, and then one course each on general relativity, cosmology, gravitational waves, computer simulations in statistical physics and lastly quantum computing.
Yes me too i was taking a Civil Engineer Degree with Mathematics, and i had to change the spezialization because the mathematics became ridicolous after year 3
Music is way harder than D tier. It should probably be in A tier. There is more to it than just practicing your instrument. Music theory is difficult for a lot of people and you need to have a good understanding of mathematics to understand it. Also ear training and sight singing are very difficult skills to learn. If you don’t already play a keyboard instrument you have to become proficient at piano. Music technology also requires you to have a basic understanding of technology and computer programming. You have little free time between classes, lessons, practicing, and ensembles. You also have to pass juries every semester which can be very stressful.
@@PredatorGooseYou should take music theory courses. (Not TH-cam ones, real ones about set theory, ratios, counterpoint, matrices, temperaments, proportionality etc etc) I’ve done physics and music and many of my theory courses were more difficult than my physics ones. If you actually do Music and not an arts degree with a concentration in music, it’s math. Might not be as hard as Mathematics, but good luck 😅
@@PredatorGoosealso you have to be perfect at your instrument or you will flunk out. I mean perfect. You will develop psychological trauma and physical injuries from practicing 6-8 hours a day. Gl
@tomlittwin when you compare the number of graduates from Music to let's say Physics the difference is pretty big. So yes, Music is unfortunately in D tier due to the sheer objective facts behind the matter. Also you don't computer program for a Music major but it would depend on the program your school runs.
Music as a D is a crime. Ask how a music major is doing and they are constantly stressed. 50+ classes to graduate. Doesn't help that each class is 1 or 2 credit hours. 18 hours for a Music major is about 13 classes in one semester
It was very frustrating to see that. In order to be actually able to get a good performance job you better be practicing AT LEAST 3 hours every day, plus ensembles with long rehearsals and low credits, concerts, recitals, masterclasses, and attempting to make money through gigs. And you still have to practice over all breaks and, summer, and winter. And then let’s not even talk about injuries from all the playing… But music is subjective right? It’s easy to pass high level music theory classes cause it’s all subjective!!! Meanwhile most people don’t even understand what music theory is or looks like.
I started a music degree and gave up in 2nd year. Went on to get a degree in history and politics, then a degree in software engineering. Music is just a different category. It's all consuming.
i used to be a pre med student and then switched to comp sci and lemme tell you, that major is def an S tier in difficulty. Comp sci is honestly just on another level when u dive deep into it.
From my experience, most of the premeds at my college are insanely neurotic while the CS majors are fairly chill. But i’m only a freshman so what do i know lol.
Lot of comments saying CS is S tier. As a computer engineering major with lots of overlapping classes, I generally agree. However any CS major will tell you that Computer Engineering is way harder with lots of engineering and physics requirements on top of most of the harder CS courses. Not sure if either major is truly S tier, but if CS is then CE certainly is as well
Depends on the school. 10-15 years back, CE undergrad at my school was nearly identical to EE until senior year where they diverged in senior electives and senior design class. So separating the two out in our ECE department was kind of pointless honestly.
Math and Physics should be no.1 and 2 no doubt. If you only aim to study to pass the exams and get a degree, fine it's not that impossible. But if you aim to truly understand it and reaching to the next level, no other degrees come even close. The abstract level of math at the high end is absolutely insane. This tier list should be reviewed and discussed by the own students of those programs
Marketing and nursing major here and it’s not “pretty easy”. I can tell you from experience nursing is much more difficult than marketing. Borderline A tier. While I’ll say the information is not as challenging to learn as say biology the amount of time spent studying, preparing for clinicals, and general stress level is high. Don’t think nursing is cake walk if you’re going to go into it please.
Bro a language degree is much harder than many of those degrees up there as you just have to skim read and memorise the subject matter. Go take yourself for a walk.
As an international politics major that is striving to go to a good law school, it is not an easy task in the slightest. A lot of people equate political science with international relations when they are different majors all together. Government in my opinion is not that hard when you talk about introductory courses, but getting into higher level courses, it becomes a lot more challenging in the sense that it becomes more specific and nuanced. Also, as a Spanish minor, I think that it is also a lot more difficult than what people claim it to be, because the intro courses are not hard at all, but getting into like Spanish Linguistics is not at all easy and takes such a deep understanding of language.
@Redrum Susan that has nothing to do with the statement that all majors are real majors 💀. Just because you aren’t majoring in engineering or computer science doesn’t mean you aren’t important. Humanities and the arts are just as important as STEM. STEM is how we live, art is why we live. Don’t be so negative about everything.
@@nobody1311 yeah, people roll their eyes and make fun of people with degrees in humanities and tell us we wasted our time and money. My dad has a degree in American History and is earning £250k+ a year working as a management consultant lol. In the UK most companies dont care what your degree is, they only care about the grade you got and how intelligent you are. I find people that have humanities degrees to be far smarter than people with business degrees lol
Yip and those aren't even the most difficult. There's also stuff like algebraic topology, category theory, differential geometry, complex analysis etc. Pure math is in a league of its own
The list is pretty accurate but here are two major items to consider since this is generally circumstantial and subjective (like you said): 1) All professors do NOT grade equally and thus the same subject can vary in rigor from professor to professor. 2) The language and resources needed to optimally succeed in a subject is not always readily available or given. For instance, in a plethora of South Florida institutions, chemistry majors are NOT told that they need to have taken/learned abstract algebra in order to seamlessly get through physical chemistry, hence why, statistically speaking, a slew of former chemistry majors change their majors because they can NOT handle the foreign language of a 4000 level physical chemistry course, in virtue of the class being heavy in abstract algebra; which isn't technically an inability or the fault the student, but more so the disorganization and misinformation of the pre-requisites listed for the physical chemistry curriculum. Another instance is accounting, where a myriad of low-tiered colleges/universities make introductory accounting students endure Cengage; which is LITERALLY doctoral caliber problems/assignments/examinations that NOT even the professors themselves can figure out; and the textbook that comes with the course is OBJECTIVELY quite utterly irrelevant to the Cengage online system, which is agreed upon across the board. The powers that be do NOT care to do anything about the matter, so theoretically, an accounting oriented individual would be incapable of getting through the course unless he/she has a professor that curves and/or finds the formulas from a savant who has cracked the code. Each problem, no joke/lie, across the board, takes over 20 hours to decipher while having a laundry list of problems to tackle.
Political Science doesn't have a rigouris workload but a lot of people struggle to actually grasp how to write a paper for political science as opposed to other argumentative papers. It's not terribly hard to learn but the time you have to put into researching topics and finding ways to define and measure abstract variables becomes increasingly difficult as you progress
Yeah it's easy to write a 15 page paper. It's hard to write a GOOD 15 page paper with good arguments, evidence, references, etc. Also all the research you need to do to write a single good paragraph is very time-consuming. Compared to the other rankings he had I would put it in B tier.
I have a computer science, art, and a psychology degree. I feel like all the art degrees that you listed as "going to take a lot of time", where you are trying to master a skill, are probably harder than the social science and business degrees. You can passively learn most social science and business information by sitting and listening. If you pay attention in class you already get enough information to pass. Art degrees you have to spend like 10 hours a day practicing outside of class to get a good grade. And all those majors, the low end is pretty forgiving.
100% agree with this - have degrees in violin performance, finance, and computer science at top programs and finance and accounting should be C and D tier respectively imo.
I say that chemistry is in tier S, many people think that the course is not so difficult because it has a high school vision, but in fact chemistry is physics, but the part of physics that focuses on the interaction between atoms, molecules and photons, almost the entire course is about quantum mechanics and a lot of thermodynamics, and it involves a lot of calculus.
I agree. When the courses get advanced enough, Chemistry is Physics, is Math, and vice versa. They become extensions of each other, because really, they are all related. They are all “science”. In turn, these processes explain how more complex ones work, leading into molecular biology, genetics, biochemistry, and physiology, etc. Science is cool.
@@steveharris1740 This is true, however even advanced chemistry is not exactly as "deep" as a specialized physics course on that subject. For example, a theoretical chemist and a physcists may have covered more ore less the same topics in doing quantum mechanics, however when it comes to "mathematical depth" the physicist will have seen more, and that is simply because physicists are much more focused on more formal and mathematical precision of topics than others are. Like, as a chemist, you know about quantum mechanics sure, you know what is the basis mathematical framework in which you work in quantum systems, but if i give you a not so straighforward problem which involves special mathematical tools to be solved, a chemist will not be able to do it, simply because mathematical preparation for chemists is i'd say a good deal less than say a physicist. (this is not to criticize chemists, its just how those two different degrees are built) So yeah, from some point on it becomes physics, but a quantum mechanics class in physics degree and a quantum mechanics class in chemistry degree, believe it or not, does not have exactly the same value. The physics one will be more "complete" if you can say, as there is more possibility going in depth in the mathematical framework which entails a bigger and deeper comprehension on the subject
@@StefSubZero270 it surely doesnt go THAT deep, but it goes deep enough. You get to see the formula derivations and a lot of quantum mechanics. But i think chemistry is not only hard because of this, ITs equally as hard as physics because it also requires you to be really good at memorizing, at lab , and at spatial thinking/reasoning (for organic chemistry and visualazing reactions and the move of electrons) on top of that, there is a lot of math and physics so you need to be good at math. It just simply requires too many skillsets + labs and lab reports are time consuming and are very exahusting.
@@Abstractor21 Yep, although you really see those things the further you go with studies, in a bach degree in chemistry you are not gonna see much mathematics and physics, at least relative to a physics or math degree
A few notes about studying a foreign language from scratch at university (I am a native speaker of Polish studying Danish, now at about C1 proficiency level): 1. it depends masively on the complexity of the language itself. For a long time finnish studies at my Universitywere 4 years long in stead of the usual 3, due to the horrendus complexity of the grammar in the Finnish language (ex. 15 grammatical cases; for comparison English and many other germanic languages have none). 2. Also, after the first year it becomes preety clear who is good/motivated (in the best case both) at learning a particular language, as the gap in proficiency becomes clearer (both the proffesors and other students notice it VERY QUICKLY after a while), and from my experience many people either drop out or fail (in my case over 2/3 of Danish students in my year). 3. It also depends MASSIVELY on the teacher (do the teaching methods siut you, is the teacher good at teaching ect.) and if the teacher is a native speaker of the language or not (at my University it is standard practice, that both kinds teach, as both tend to be good at different things). So the difficulty range is somewhere in between "childs play" and "nearly impossible".
Those are all very accurate statements, and I completely agree. It also depends on how similar the language you are studying is to the language(s) you already know fluently. For a native English speaker, Danish (or any of the Germanic languages really, except for maybe Icelandic or Faroese…I’ve found Norwegian and Swedish to be especially accommodating. German is a little harder because of the grammar, and Danish is a little harder because of the phonetics.) is so much easier to learn than a language like Japanese, Korean, or Arabic.
I was a CS and Music double major. If the music degree is rigorous, it belongs in A tier. Other programs could fall in D tier. Some semesters keeping up with the music workload was considerably more work than my CS degree. Most schools don't have anywhere near the rigor in terms of Music Theory or History that mine did, but those that do are easily 80 hours or more worth of classwork/practice/ensemble rehearsal time a week.
Agree on the music major part. Yes, we've got a bunch of easy classes but the heaviest workload is set on your instrument. I honestly need to practice 6 hours per day, classes aside. And if concerts or examinations are close it's even more.
yo ive been thinking about my college majors and the only interest i have is music major but im afraid of taking it cause of what my mom would say, so any advice?
@@ElenaCorral-gx3bp Double major is the way to 1. please your parents and 2. have something employable if music doesn't work out. It helped that I had an interest in CS, but even something like marketing or finance could be a good fit if you aren't into STEM. I know a lot of music majors who were good but not great. Even one or two that were quite good, finished a master's, and just couldn't find work. The ones with double majors in that group are doing better than the ones who didn't, but ultimately they all found work in business. The second major just gives you a say in what that work is if music doesn't work out. The people with a music performance major and no backup plan just took whatever they could get.
Currently majoring in Aerospace Engineering (Aeronautics), and yea, it’s extremely difficult, long study hours, but it is very interesting and enjoyable.
@@googlymooglyman No way. Aerospace Engineering is like mechanical on steroids. More courses to take (including electrical engineering and materials science) and more fluids dynamics and structural analysis classes than ME. ME is AE-lite.
I got English and History degrees and I gotta say, History is MUCH more difficult in terms of workload and rigor in my experience. We had a lot more people drop out of the program, just under half. I’m a hell of a reader and writer and I was still pulling longer hours than any of my colleagues in business or finance - just massive time investment for history.
I’m a Psych major & from my personal experience History classes are the most rigorous. You need to have a certain level of reading comprehension to get an A in those classes. The courseload for history classes are typically among the highest from my experience.
@@hectornieves537 they never said it wasn't, just that it was harder than some other humanities/social sciences. notice how stem was not mentioned once.
Why is math always so underestimated? I suggest you take a course in advanced homological algebra and then try to tell me how QFT is still more difficult
If you're going to do "difficulty", at least clarify if you're talking about learning the theory or about workload and homework I am a math major with physics and CS minor and i love the theoretical challenge it gives me Because of that, i think medicine and aerospace engineering are a cake walk However, i'm a very abstract and lazy guy, so even tho the theory is easy, the ammount of work in medicine would just be absurd for me because it would be extremely boring So i think you could split the video into two types of difficulty, it's kinda awkward seeing engineering has "harder" than math
I could sit here and type about how funny it is reading how every one of you are taking the hardest classes on earth, but instead I'd like to thank you because there's no way I'd waste my money or time doing any of that. Without you guys I, a union semiconductor pipefitter, wouldn't have a job. Good luck on your careers and happy Thanksgiving!
Also should be grateful that these people are taking the harder classes that actually get you somewhere. It’s a waste of money if you get any of the C tier or lower degrees
@@jeffmora5161 bruh the C tier and below degrees aren't a waste of money lol. I took political science and make a ton of money as a lawyer as well as the majority of those can secure you with a job.
I know too many Pre-Law Students that completely shifted focuses because they were not nearly prepared for the intensity of real school post 4 year Psych, Poli-Sci, and CJ degrees. As a current MBA student I would agree with the majority of your Business school rankings, but would suggest moving all of them to B or less. Unless you go for further certifications or schooling, every Business route is relatively simple.
I lowkey think he dropped this list to roast people who tell others their classes are tough, but just end up watching movies all day 😂 All jokes aside I'd love to see a longer version of this video! Btw majoring in computer engineering and minoring in math and computer science, love your vids, keep up the great work!
I'm currently a bio major, but I'm looking at transferring to a school with a chem program because I have absolutely loved all my chem classes. In my experience the thing most bio majors struggle with is just the amount of terminology and the chemistry. I would probably bump it down a step just cause aside from like four classes it really isn't hard at all as long as you're disciplined about studying.
For someone like me who is pre-med that is a bio major it can be nerve racking on exam day trying to get all A’s when you have to cram so much information in your head. That said besides Orgo and maybe Anatomy/Physiology the material itself isn’t too challenging just a lot of memorization.
Have you considered Chemical Engineering as a CHE major I took inorganic chem I&2, Qualitative Chemistry, Quantitative Chemistry, Organic Chemistry I&2, Physical Chemistry 1&2, and lastly Process Engineering Chemistry. You also will be getting lots of Physics, Chemical Thermodynamics, and Unit Operations, which is mass transfer, heat and energy transfer, and simultaneous mass and energy transfer, which is practical chemistry applied to industrial & process engineering practices.
For those considering CS, if you’re reasonably competent with math, the courses you really need to worry about are Computer Organization/Architecture, Algorithms, Programming Languages, and Operating Systems.
Physics and Mathematics are easly the hardest degrees out there, and definetly a good deal harder than any engineering. A lot more complicated and very advanced mathematics are covered in those degrees than any other existing degrees. Physics and maths are those degrees in which you go if you are very very good at that, like you have a natural talent for those kind of things.
I think it’s a bit unfair to rank PreMed in the same tier as Bio, Microbio, and Chem because premeds literally are literally in those majors and have to be at the top of their class, do extracurriculars, take the MCAT, and more to get into med school. In my opinion, especially since the majors themselves are ranked A-tier, PreMed should be low S-tier.
As someone who’s done both political science and education courses I’d say it’s kinda wild you put political science that high. They are relatively similar in difficulty.
Undergraduate double major in Creative Writing and Film Studies here. I agree with your assessment that the Creative Writing degree ( 3:50 ) is F-tier in terms of difficulty. What’s not easy, however, is writing strong work, and navigating the industry, which is what a good program will prepare you for. It’s a degree you need to pursue for the right reasons; in other words, don’t use it as an ‘easy degree.’ Use your experience in that program to learn how to write better, and to meet fellow writers you can network with. And if you want a Creative Writing degree and have an opportunity to double major, do it. Not only will you gain knowledge in an outside subject that you can use in your writing, but the challenge of a double major will show employers that you’re willing to take on a substantial quantity of work in pursuit of a goal.
I think that this ranking is highly subjective and condescending in many ways! From my point of views in all of these areas of study you will find subpar, mediocre, average, great and genius levels of universities, professors and students! Who can say for example that becoming a great mathematician is easier than becoming a great doctor or becoming a bestselling author? Yes, Pythagoras contributed huge amount of knowledge to humanity, but so did Mozart or Dostoevsky or Plato and so on...
You need to be condescending in order to achieve excellence. Business and languages (among many others) do not belong in any reputable lecture hall, only mathematics based studies deserve praise
I majored in Marketing, Operations and Statistics. Like humanities, languages and social sciences, marketing is not hard to understand but harder to get As than statistics, because 1. marketing is qualitative 15 years ago and hence the grade is subjective; 2. the subjective nature requires an understanding of the taste of professors. It's hard to know their taste in all classes; 3. group projects depend on peer performance. It's hard to get stellar team in every class. I ended up taking all required marketing classes when I went exchange. All the classes taken during exchange program are graded pass or fail. On the other hand, I was taking all statistics classes in my home schools to brush my grades. Although it takes much longer to study, the projects are more objective. It's easier to get As.
Marketing was my easy A class. Don’t you just end up doing all the work in group projects? The tools were cool like the Nielsen ratings by zip code where they profiled and gave a summary of people. It was fun to read all the profiles.
I’m studying digital marketing and doing a minor in computer science. Id say this list is pretty accurate. My comp sci classes are definitely more rigorous. However, my school still required stats and calculus for marketing.
I'm a math/cs major (1 semester left) with a degree in Philosophy and another in Communication. Difficulty (hardest to easiest) 1. Math - Very abstract at a certain point. Takes weeks to grasp certain concepts/proofs. Very conceptual. 2. Computer science - applied math in a lot of cases, not a lot of guidance compared to other subjects 3. Philosophy - A shit ton of reading, history, and deciphering very vague/abstract writings. Not too difficult but some Philosophers are very hard to understand. Teaches critical thinking. 4. Communication - mostly easy but a lot of public speaking and writing involved. Some classes were just free As. Thats my two cents for my areas of study.
@@ethanrukavina3082 4 year academic scholarship, then I took some minimal loans out. I then worked for a while and saved because I wanted a career change. I paid in-state tuition and took plenty of courses at community college. Keep in mind an additional degree is only 30 credits for me now if I have the electives already. I haven't had to pay much of the loans yet because I was taking classes, and they will hopefully all be forgiven by the biden administration stuff.
That is really impressive, I happened to be between majors (currently undecided) and I was wondering if you could give some advice? I'm more so between philosophy and computer science which are very different in the job market from what I know. I think the study of philosophy and the skills I could obtain from a philosophy degree would be very valuable skills to have but at the same time, the degree from computer science or math is going to have a higher value when finding a job. I also had passion for teaching but I've slowly realized that I might not have the patience to deal with children or teens and I would really only be passionate about teaching as a professor but that would require even more school so that's going back to the value of the degree vs. the time and money.
I double majored in Accounting and Finance. Accounting can be hard but the math is rather easy, it's the concepts combined with it that tends to trip people up. I found finance to be much more math heavy but still nothing as severe as engineering. I think cal 2 was the highest math course I took. Intermediate acct 1 and 2 will make you suffer though.
Its not the maths that make accounting hard, its the concept. I think finance will be good for me since i like maths. What kind of maths is in finance? And how math heavy is it?
@@ShaneHummus sorry Shane but mathematics should be in S tier, please remake this video with some explanations as well. I would also arguably put chemistry in S tier, especially upper level organic and thermo classes.
@@Lazymath007_ I'd say middle of the road difficulty math wise. In finance you cover topics like CAPM, portfolio management, capital budgeting, time value of money calculations, etc. most of which can be done on a financial calculator.
as an education major, it is most definitely not in F tier. the amount of extracurricular work that goes into being a teacher, such as lesson planning, psychological and pedagogical evaluations, hundreds of student teaching hours, educational law, special education, disability program work, etc., not to mention the GPA requirements just to get into an education program. any education major will tell you it is not an F tier in terms of difficulty, in comparison to how this list is shaped up, it's probably closer to B, even A depending on where you go.
I slept through those extracurriculars and it takes time and effort but that's it. The problem is that everything you learn in school is theoretical and does not apply to all regions of the US. My comment is that getting the degree is super easy, but the job is darn near one of the hardest. Imagine a mathematician that has to get all of the numbers to behave before he could use any. Then he has to instruct each number how to work, teaching the tools of its trade. But each number has different levels of effectiveness and disabilities. Train each number separately AND at the same time. Ensure each number is successful. Call the numbers primary to get support and most times have to teach the primaries. Find out how to get a decent product with materials, coworkers, and admin who only know how to divide. All of this while striving to get each number to become exponentially greater in hopes of creating a better statistic for the entire subject. Nope, easy peasy job. Isn't it? Before any feelings are hurt, understand that the video is about degree of degree difficulty, not job qualifications. If it were the latter, education would be an SSSS tier.
Thing is, philosophy would be classified as C, according to your criteria, when I would easily argue it’s an A or S subject, because being a GOOD philosopher is far more difficult than being a good biologist and requires a serious IQ. But PASSING philosophy is far easier than most technical subjects.
A lot of humanities majors are hard to rank bcs of their focus on critical thinking. Someone may not be memorizing science terms but damn will they have to think and plan and use their brain for outside of the box thinking.
Although physics has very difficult courses, you can get a bachelor of arts in physics in many universities, giving you access to extremely easy courses to finish the degree. Unlike any engineering discipline, where a BA doesn't really exist.
My business classes are so easy! You can take them with your eyes closed and there’s tons of professors teaching those classes. Like Econ, business 101, etc, international business
I got a BS in physics and one in mathematics along with many in chemistry and biology. I saw the largest number of people quitting physics of these four majors by far. Started with 20-40 majors and ended with about 5
Actuary Science, a specialist degree within the Statistics Department, a subset of the Mathematics Department, is by far the most difficult degree to successfully complete. In addition to the rigorous courses, you need to pass 5-7 national exams in different areas to obtain a license. If the student is successful, a very lucrative career they will have.
Just my experience... Though Math was my degree in college, I have went through an arts HS with 4 years of collegiate level Creative Writing. I barely passed. I almost got kicked out of the program completely twice. It was definitely a lot harder than my Math coursework. It's not like you write a short story or play, turn it in, and pass if you beat the word count. Being able to criticize and analyze texts was a huge part of the program, probably about half of everything. You will have to read constantly, which is something I personally struggled with. Easily up to 50 pages a day of just reading. Then going in reverse: taking what you learned from analysis and criticism to apply to your own work is another deal. The subjectivity actually makes it harder not easier. A lot of folks get a low grade sometimes non-passing if for example your work is too trite and doesn't do anything interesting. Trying to do that while getting 5K+ on a page was unbearably difficult for me. Poetry is another big bag of worms. But of course this will vary from person to person.
That’s probably why you chose a math degree lol. Some dudes read 50 pages with ease but you show them a plus sign and they freak out. A fish can’t run.
As a PhD student in math, math often has a much easier path to a bachelors degree (you can make it harder obviously, but if you want a simple path its there) while a physics bachelor's is pretty standard and is fairly rough. HOWEVER, mathematics as a subject is definitely harder. If you want to really prepare yourself for graduate school a math major is MUCH harder than a physics major. I've been able to sit in on multiple graduate physics courses, but I find it very hard to believe (and I've yet to see) any physics grad students sitting in on a graduate math class.
Ranking music major is very difficult because that varies so much based on the institution you study at. If you’re a music performance major at a world class institution like u of m, Juilliard, berklee, etc that is way harder than even electrical engineering at a place like Purdue, u of m, Stanford, or mit. However, the standardization of a major like engineering makes it a little more standard even at the community college level and the same cannot be said for music. So that’s where the discrepancy comes in: the top of music major is harder than the top of engineering, but the average engineering major is harder than the average music major.
I think A teir is a little to crowded. It feels wrong to say biology is in the same league as mathematics and chem. I think a video going over strictly stem would be able to clear up that problem
I did a biology degree on a pre-med track. It was very hard. It’s the competitiveness that kills you. It’s already a hard major but to get into grad school you need a 3.4 or better. I managed to get into grad school with a 3.0 but that was largely due to I scored very high on MCAT exam and I took way more liberal arts and social sciences than was required and that, believe it or not, helped too.
Ive studied in science field all college/university mostly engineering and actuarial science. I did 1 year in nursing school in university out of nowhere and it was the easiest thing I did since 10th grade… never open a book outside the class and had slightly above average grades. It’s a lot of stuff but their is nothing hard about it. B tier is really where It belongs
I think architecture should be S because as you said it's sort of a left and right brain thing but also there's the element of having to be good at math but also like good at drafting good at drawing like a lot of different areas of skills that like don't really have anything to do with each other
At my university I suspect the degree is much more rigorous than a normal computer science degree. For some background I’ve had two tech jobs currently a Systems programmer for uni and currently a junior in CS degree. Breakdown:: -- CS1- easy CS2- easy Discrete math- medium Calc1- hard ___ Calc2- easy / medium Intro to systems - medium/hard Databases and algorithms- hard Intro to theoretical comp sci- hard -- Databases( industry DB management )- easy Software engineering- medium Linear algebra- medium Systems 1- medium/hard
Mathematics should be B tier. It's not that hard. Real analysis ,topology, partial differential equations, ring theory, abstract algebra, differential geometry, groups theory, numerical linear algebra... these subjects are all so easy that I think I could have been able to learn all of this in just 2 years at primary school.
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What's your opinion about Urban planning and urban design
I m thinking to change my psychology major to that
trying to use anime clips to make fun in advance of anyone responding .. is not sending the message you were hoping. lol. university degrees are going out. almost every historical figure you respect did NOT have a degree at all. they learned from mentors and apprenticeships. people are choosing to learn on their own to avoid brainwash and nonsense. yes, this applies to every field and it's terrifying the rock e fell er fake medicine industry. :)
I have a bachelor's and master's in physics, currently working on my PhD in theoretical high energy physics and I think math needs to be S tier. Especially considering courses like real analysis, topology, and algebra are quite abstract and are something that as a formally trained physicist, I would carefully consider before taking, even now.
I have mathematics degree. I studied real analysis , topology and group theory etc. and I found them very difficult to grasp. Not worth the pain and hard work. Pure mathematics has lesser jobs than applied mathematics. I now work in IT as data analyst.
Abstract algebra itself should be s tier
@@jeffreystevens964 Do you find undergrad algebra harder than undergrad analysis? I always thought algebra was way easier than analysis up until you get to specialized fields like representation theory, algebraic geometry, commutative algebra, etc. At that point analysis becomes much easier.
I am currently majoring in physics should I stop at masters or phd?
@@masterp9376 I know one who did post doctorate in nuclear physics. He is a professor in a well know university now. Loses his hair line by age 30. Lol
I’m double majoring in CS and Math, and lemme tell you, I expected this degree to be a lot easier than it actually turned out to be. Generally, the first semester of CS tends to be easier with just a programming course, but as soon as second semester hits with Theory of Computation courses, CS students get a reality check
Thats why I plan on taking some time off from working. Maybe even quitting just so I am fully focused on studying. You have to prepare so that you're not overwhelmed but the problem is people take on so many responsibilities that they cannot handle. The other option is you lack the skill sets and work a low end job for the rest of your life.
Bro forreal! Especially when you gotta start taking C and code up processes and shit. Assembly language, etc. super difficult😭
My uni makes the 2nd year so hard for CS students. It's meant to weed out the people who actually want to go down that path.
@@-glitch-8195 Can’t be better said. Students def tend to take up too many responsibilities at first, and make their work very unrealistic. The key to success in CS is being realistic with your time 💯
@@CCapsule That’s facts bro. C starts off pretty easy, but then gets complicated extremely fast imo. Assembly language, advanced data structures and algorithms, Neural Networks in ML, etc. all scream reality check lol
Dude, mathematics should be in S+. You have no idea how hard it actually is. All the hard parts of all engineering fields come from ideas in math, and a math major is required to prove those ideas in the most rigorous way. Complex analysis, graph theory, and mathematical statistics can destroy most people who have thought math is easy for their entire life.
This is me right now, first year Mathematics lol
Agree. Ask the physics student about the mathematical basis for quantum physics: Lie groups, Lie algebra, the Lagrangian, Feynman diagrams etc.
Agreed my top math course Calculus II was really difficult to grasp as a comp sci student. That’s probably not even half way through a math major
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Majoring in mathematics is almost as hard (if not harder) as physics. Mathematics should be S+ tier.
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@@fortniter2738 I'm not joking. As a physics major, I've taken few courses on mathematics and they were not easy. Abstract algebra course is just pain.
@@nihilisticboi3520I’m finishing my bachelors in physics next semester, with a minor in mathematics.
In my opinion and experience, math did not require nearly as much critical thinking as physics. It’s the problem solving that makes physics courses seem unpassable to so many people, because no matter how much you study or prepare, you may simply just not be able to piece together the riddle that physics questions tend to be.
@@graystone2802 that's probably because you haven't started proofs
@@graystone2802 interesting. As much as i agree with you on physics problems, i personally found coming up with proofs in mathematics to be plain hard. Proofs in real and complex analysis, group theory and linear algebra are just hard. The concepts are easy to learn but when a questions pops up on writing proofs, my brain.exe would stop working properly.
(when I mean mathematics, i mean like the rigorous proof kind)
I double majored in physics and pure math and in my opinion, math is definitely S tier. From my experience, lower level math like differential equations, multivariable calculus, linear algebra, etc. are easier than physics courses, but upper division pure math like topology, differential geometry, analysis, abstract algebra, etc. are probably the hardest classes a university offers.
I earned a B.S in Physics (with minors in math and chemistry). I couldn't agree with you more.
im currently studying for a masters in mathematics and there is no lower level math to be honest. Every part of maths can go so much deeper. like differential equations, they are not simple. solving simple ones yes, but how do you prove there are unique solutions, how do you solve higher dimensional equations, or systems of differential equations? The list of questions goes on and on.
@@SFG2921I’m considering pursuing math. I have two years of school left and I am quite good at it (90% student) but by no means a genius that can solve every question in a book or exam. Would you recommend this course considering my ability ?
@@chewy7325 i mean if you are understanding everything at school level quite easily then you should be able to study it at a university level, it will however focus more on proofs and more of an in depth understanding of the material.
In school you are always taught how to just answer questions but in university you will have some of these "use the method" type questions, but you will also be required to understand the derivations of these methods and also proofs of some theorems.
In my experience, the more simpler theorems of the course are often the ones you need to know proofs for, so dont worry about having to learn proofs for theorems which are like 10 pages long.
I was also like you and scored highly in math at school as a kid, never thought of myself as a genius or anything but i never studied and got As in math. In university you will need to start studying. I didnt study all that much though either if i'm honest. maybe a couple hours a week outside classes, and i maintained mostly As throughout my time so far at university.
@@SFG2921 very interesting. I have alot to think about. Thanks for your reply man it helped a lot 🙏
Mathematics not being in S tier is one of the most insane things I’ve ever seen on this channel. I normally agree with what you say but that is just absurd. Mathematics could easily be in its own tier, especially pure mathematics which is in a completely different league to any physics or engineering degree.
you learn most of a normal BS mathematics degree in engineering
@@CountChokcula Not even close. The majority of the very rigorous proof based classes you take as a math major aren't taught to engineering students, or even most physics students for that matter...
@@nomarxistspls90 okay, we learn up to 1/3 at the most
@@CountChokcula I’d agree there. But the very logic/proof based pure math classes aren’t taught to engineers such as algebraic topology, analytic number theory, complex analysis, rigorous probability theory, differential geometry, graph theory etc.
I’ve met engineers who didn’t even have to take abstract algebra. Even when engineers do take these classes they are generally taught in a far more computational way and less rigorous.
@@CountChokcula this is completely false in every way. Engineering barely even scratches the surface of mathematics. It’s well known that a mathematics degree is the hardest conceptually because of the rigour and abstract nature of it.
I can't believe you put mathematics in the A tier. Few engineers or physicists can even comprehend what mathematicians do. Easily the most complex human endeavor. Above S tier.
I am pleased that many comments point this out instead of simply let this blasphemy pass. 💀
Mathematician here. I think it's a question of a mindset. I think most engineers would be smart enough to understand mathematics, but they have no appreciation for working with abstract concepts very detached from reality.
For me it's quite the opposite. I was forced taking some engineering courses in my curriculum and I really suffered through them.
@@fisyr If we are to say that, we could also say that (almost) every person can pass the Math Degree with enough time and dedication, but that doesn't mean it stops being the hardest degree.
I'm a Math Degree student, and personally I'm not quite good at calculations (perhaps if I were given an engineering exam where they don't ask you to reason, but to calculate, I would suffer more).
But as you said, this is a matter of "mindset", not the "difficulty". In order to assess the difficulty of any topic, we must evaluate from general case, which is a person (let's name them "Alex") who has the ideally "most open mindset".
In this case, it's not hard to find that Alex will have much more difficult time studying for the Mathematics Degree than for almost any Engineering (and even for almost any university degree in general, case in which they could at most equal the difficulty).
I wanna argue that mathematicians won't be able to comprehend some of engineering and puysics
I wanna argue that mathematicians will probably not be able to around some of the physics and engineering too. They're all specialized in their own fields.
You’re definitely underestimating mathematics. Remember that a lot of the difficulty in STEM subjects come from the mathematics. But when you’re exclusively studying mathematics as a major, then it is going to get extremely difficult and abstract.
I think it is a huge disrespect to put mathematics in A tier. Mathematics is definitely one of the hardest major of all time, arguably the most difficult major (along with physics and statistics). Please do more thorough research and modify ur tier list if possible. Thanks
Definitely not. Mathematics generally is not especially difficult. Unless you’re going into a physics or chemical engineering, a general degree in mathematics is nothing special.
@@bthobbs maybe you are not studying math at a good enough university
@@bthobbs The Calculus and DEs you study in Chemical Engineering is surface level lol.
he said "almost" into S tier, so quit whining, even though I agree with you, saying "it is a huge disrespect" is unnecessary when he prefaced his statement.
@@bthobbs My dear, did you even glance at any pure mathematics book before writing this nonsense?
For physics majors being borderline geniuses, physics can surely make you FEEL like you're dumb af.
I dont think you need to be borderline genius for any degree. In germany (and other non anglo saxon nations) for example uni is much more difficult in bachelor than the US with regards to physics and mathematics as you wont do calculus but real anylsis from the very first semester and also in physics youu will learn more advanced things much more early, e.g. in my theoretical physics minorwe had electrodynamics in 4th semester, but this wasnt a course on maxwell equations, but the covariant relativistic formulation of the theory with fieldstrength and energy momentum tensor. We derived the theory out of a lagragian. Lagrange and hamiltonian mechanics was 2nd semester. Measure theory - a graduate course in the US - was 3rd semester. Functional analysis (on bounded linear operators) was 4th semester and i also took a course on martingale theory here (clearly gradute material for the US). In 6th semester i am doing analysis on sobolev spaces.
AND YET you dont need to be a genius to do this. I know because i am not and many of my peers arent geniuses either. It however takes a lot of persistence and good learning habits, that you will actively need to improve or rework entirely, to pass. Only about 30% of students that start with math/physics in germany graduate from it. This sounds a bit more dramatic than it actually is as a lot drop out even before writing the first exams. The real success rate of students who try is probably about 40%. This is way off for "you need to be a genius". If only about 10% could do it that try to the point of the first exams so maybe 3% of the entire population the "borderline genius" attribution would be probably correct, but thats far off from reality.
Here is the reason for math should be S. Find any real analysis book, find the first problem from the first problem set and explain what the first question is asking. Not what the answer is, but what the question is asking.
Thank you
Exactly this. You finish school and you think maths is abstract. You have your first maths lecture and you realise you had only ever seen applied maths. And then you get to the third semester and realise that all the lectures from the first two semesters combined had the sole purpose of getting you past the first theorem of the actually important lectures.
I am pleased that many comments point this out instead of simply let this blasphemy pass. 💀
And real analysis is the very first class of "real" math
Same thing with economics tbh
I think that a ‘40 minute video’ is what this type of topic needs. The elaboration is helpful and necessary in my opinion, as i felt that this was just missing something. Nice work regardless.
If Physics is in S tier then Maths should be as well.
I'd even go so far to say the applied mathematics in physics is a level below that in a pure mathematics degree.. mathematics must be S tier..
I've switched from math to computer science. If CS is in A tier, math needs to be in S++. It's not even close.
Agreed cs is so much easier than maths
I'm pleased that many comments point this out instead of simply let this blasphemy pass. 💀
@@TateygbIt depends how it's taught but some of the more abstract computer science is not much different from mathematics.
Difficulty is so subjective. I have students majoring in STEM fields that find writing/research/presenting extremely difficult. For them, the list would look totally different.
But that's false since theres data on stress levels, amount of hours spent studying and drop out rates between degrees. That is objective evidence of difficulty level, not subjective. Obviously interest and (social anxiety) plays a role in presentations, writing etc. But objectively logic heavy courses are more difficult.
But you can learn writing/research/presenting much easier then STEM fields. But for me it would be hella boring so it might be more difficult in that sense.
I have a childhood friend who was a borderline STEM prodigy, but couldn't write a Persuasive or Narrative essay to save his life. Likewise, I was reading and writing at a college level from an early age but I have horrendous dyscalculia
I mean, I’m a senior engineering student and while I do find that writing/presenting is extremely difficult, I also know that if I decided to learn that instead then I would have WAY more time on my hands. I know the classes themselves are easier and the concepts are faster to learn because they’re not clouded by obscure levels of abstraction
Booooooooooooo
Would not mind seeing a longer more detailed version of this + more obscure majors like Mortuary science.
Mortar science?
Noted!
@@ShaneHummus guessing HOSP management is F tier
I'm studying equine science and I have not seen it anywhere lmao
@@ShaneHummus why is mathematics not in S tier? Were you intoxicated while making this tier list? Mathematics is literally the hardest subject out there.
There literally doesn't exist an area of study more vaunted than mathematics, yet you put it into A-tier.
Me studying +6 hours per day (not counting in-person class sessions) just to barely pass any exam in Math Degree seeing a random guy valuing it as an "A-tier" (behind many engineering): 👉🤡🤡🤡👈
Point of note: at my university, Biomedical Engineering is considered the hardest, most competitive majors. Since it is so competitive, there is a rigorous process to even be accepted into the major (essentially requiring straight A's in the first 1-2 years of college, especially in the first 8 physics credits, calc 1-3, 8 chemistry credits, and biology. Additionally, an essay is required that is highly scrutinized. I know multiple people with 4.0 GPA's as sophomores who were rejected.) The rigorous acceptance process likely reduces the number of drop outs significantly.
Same here! I double-majored in Biomedical Engineering and Psychology and now I'm a sophomore in med school. Let me tell you, my undergraduate was a living hell, but I am so grateful. I had a leg up on my classmates in all my introductory anatomy/physiology courses (and a lot of them were physiology and biology majors!) because BME requires such an in-depth, broad conception of the workings of the human body. Do not even get me started on the computer stuff though oml. Not a fan of programming. Not a fan of 3-D modeling. That being said, those courses taught me a lot even if they did permanently fracture my soul.
@@bigbutterboy4887 Congratulations! I want to go to med school, but I'm struggling to build up my resume outside of just academics (ie. clinical experience, leadership opportunities) because the BME course load is so intense.
I’d assume the reason for it being competitive is try hard premeds want to get into to have a great backup along with people who actually want to get in the program
Fr, college major electrical engineering and just started my biomedical bachelor and I‘d put them at the same level, if nit biomedical way above!
What does biomedical engineering do? I'm searching degrees in engineering
The difficulty level can depend on the program at your school. I attended two different universities for the same major and one was definitely harder than the other.
I’m doing a Cybersecurity and Comp-sci major with a dual major of math and Computer networking and secure software development… the breakdown of encryption and security boggles my mind. My professors are all insanely smart and still consistently learn new things. The fact that we have to constantly learn and adapt to new technologies is pretty crazy. I would say that’s near S tier if not very low S tier.
Cyber isn’t too bad. But CompSci does have a lot of attention to detail and memorizing a lot of rules, which some people may or may not get easily or some too hard.
@@aaron-damonkassner4715cyber isn't too bad? Do you not do advance reverse engineering, ROP attacks, and cryptography? I can't imagine a normal person getting even close to doing this, God forbid you include ai anti binary exploitation to that.
@@klutch4962 we have some of those in our courses but it’s important to get the material but physically running it can be time consuming but it is fun.
Aerospace engineer and physics was spot on. Met a few at my uni and they sounded/acted literally like geniuses.
In what way? Can you please elaborate?
I’m in my 4th year of aerospace engineering and I can assure you I’m no genius 😭
@@CubicleComa369 you give me hope
Aerospace Engineer here, can't relate lol I'm stoopid
Physics major here, I'm only taking general physics right now and I've cried for like 4 days in a row trying to study for my final, I'm in trouble😂
As someone who majored (at some point) mechanical engineering, physics, and economics. I cannot stress enough how obscenely difficult physics is compared to anything I’ve ever experienced before. I see a lot of comments saying how mathematics should be S, but I think it’s extremely important to make the distinction between physics and mathematics as many of the harder classes required for a mathematics degree are not only required for a physics degree but also the application of them at a high level is required to even comprehend the basics.
I was surrounded by geniuses and I myself am far from a genius and that’s why I have an Econ degree. :)
Math is much harder than physics.
Your point about how "high" level math classes is required in physics is just wrong, atleast in undergrad. Physics requires some calc 3, ODE/PDE, and linear at the undergrad level. If you're a very advanced undergrad, you might use some basic group theory or differential geometry for GRprerequisite.
But these are in intro classes for math majors (an intro to manifolds class pretty much only requires analysis as a prereq).
@@stopkillingmemes7259I think that must depend on the college. At least at my college I don't think Math was harder than physics. That said, the difficulty of your math major also depended on the type of math you were doing. You needed to take real analysis and linear algebra but after that you could go a more pure math route (number theory, abstract algebra, topology etc.) or a more grounded applied math route (probability, statistics, financial engineering, etc). The latter was definitely easier than physics whereas the former I am not familiar enough with to compare.
My roommate was a PhD student in Physics smartest person i’ve ever met.
@@stopkillingmemes7259 at my university (but in germany, so that's probably not comparable), you attend the maths lectures of the math major on top to the physics lectures in the first three semesters. After that, you are encouraged to take differential geometry, function analysis and function theory if you want to pursue a more theoretical track - all next to your physics lectures. I wouldn't say that physics is harder than maths in general, but if you have this system physic-students just take double the amount of lectures and basically are part of the maths students in the first two years.
If you are good in math you can handle physics, but even if you are good at physics there is no guarantee that you can do well in higher level math classes like Real Analysis or Complex Analysis, or Topology
I thought we all agreed that Mathematics is automatically S+
I wouldn’t say a Music degree is easy at all. The level of knowledge needed prior to beginning this degree is often incomparable to those starting other fields. For instance, an individual studying Cello Performance in undergraduate likely practiced and took lessons for over 10 years prior to starting college. You can’t just become a Music Performance major on a whim. Something to take into account…
Very true.
In high school, I heard a fellow band mate telling our band director that he was tired of all these hard math and science classes, and in college he is going to take something easy, like music. I am sure the band director is still laughing after all these years.
I'd say the ranking was accurate for Music solid D.
Yup.
@@hectornieves537 The people thinking this have no clue how much talent (natural aptitude) and practice (skill) is required to be good enough at music to get into a college music program.
It would be just as hard for the AVERAGE person to do a degree in music as it would be for them to do a degree in math.
Preparing for music starts LONG before getting into college, which is not the case with engineering/math etc
I respect and admire whoever majors in Mathematics/Physics and all this crazy stuff; is just way too hard for me, it looks exhausting and I would probably go insane in the first semester
The issue with degrees like art, dance, music, etc. is that they often require an extra level of qualification that you might simply be unable to achieve regardless of your effort. For example, I have a sister that got into a college with a very good art program. Despite the fact that she has been dedicated to art since at least early high school (spends most of her free time improving at it) and is very talented IMO, she still couldn't qualify for the degree after taking the prerequisites. The people who get into the degree at her school are apparently already at a graduate level of talent relative to other school's programs, which kinda makes you wonder why they need much education at all, but does keep the program as a well-known one for placing so well. I feel like we shouldn't neglect the difficulty in qualifying for artistic degrees, because with other competitive degrees, regardless of difficulty, you can just ace a few freshman classes and get in as long as you work hard enough in your courses.
To be fair, with the exception of pre-law and pre-med, he wasn’t measuring them on how hard it was to “get accepted into” the degree program. He was measuring how difficult the actual degree program is to “complete”…like how difficult the coursework is. Most people (well, all, really, because there is usually an audition or something for the performing arts) who do an art or music degree already know how to draw, sing, play an instrument, etc. The degree program is just helping to take the student to the next level and give them a comprehensive education surrounding that talent.
Engineering, Organic Chemistry, Computer Programming, Molecular Biology, and Applied Physics concepts are concepts the students have been exposed to, but most are not near proficient in going into the degree program. These degree programs take intense learning, studying, memorization, critical thinking, and application to master. One would argue there is definitely more “learning” required with these than in an art degree.
Sure, one could argue that an art degree or music degree is equal. One could argue that the ability of a person to solve physics problems is a natural talent just like singing or playing piano. I do believe Will Hunting (Good Will Hunting, 1997) compared being able to play a piano as equal to being able to do organic chemistry. It is indeed subjective. But, at the end of the day, most people would agree art and performing arts degrees are much easier to complete than an engineering physics degree.
the problem in there might be the subjectivity of those qualifiers. In other subjects, you just do what is required and get the result from how much of the tasks were done right. In art, there's no objective measure to evaluate how good or bad the dance was or how good or bad the drawing is. It's just subjective since someone likes one style, someone likes another. I remember one dancing show where a professional award-winning dancer got rejected for her dance being "too emotionless and boring" by the people who got much less achievments than she did
That’s why as much as I love the arts I think it’s a stupid idea to major in them. I hate the idea of being judged on an objective, quantitative scale for something that should be done as your own personal artistic expression. If you are being judged against other artists and have to make “better” art than them to be successful, then it isn’t really art anymore. This goes the same for trying to make a career out of art. I think it’s great if you can make money off of your art, but if you’re going in with the intent of making money, I don’t see it as art anymore.
@@steveharris1740 As a physics major I took two semesters of organic chem. It was challenging, because there was so much to remember, but I liked it very much. I'm a guitar player, and I have given the piano a try, but I don't think there is any question that playing the piano well would be much more difficult than learning organic chemistry. I think in any discipline that involves performance, the performance requirement would put it beyond the reach of most people.
@@goldmantis5850 at a certain point of artistic mastery then sure, its pointless to compare nirvana against celine dion. But when you are below that level, art CAN be judged. My uni was a top performing arts school (i dont study music) with lots of talented people, but talented as they are they are far, far below professional musicians even after they graduate. Music is not as simple as playing very fast or composing fire songs, and people who are good at one thing (i.e. music theory) may not be very good at another aspect of the art. Music majors function to standardize aspiring artists so they can have a baseline understanding across multiple aspects of music
As an aerospace engineer, theoretical mathematics is the hardest thing there is to learn. American engineers don't learn anything about theoretical math but for example in Italy or france before studying engineering you have to go through real analysis, complex analysis, algebra etc which is 99 % proofs
Should have separated mathematics into applied math and pure math. I would put applied math in A tier and pure math in S tier.
Both should be S tier. Applied math is still proof based, it’s just used to answer real life problems. Physics is a subset of applied math
You should make a separate tier for musical performance majors. I promise it’s an S tier with ease. There’s a huge difference between being a pop singer and a classical violinist, let me tell you. In fact, getting your degree almost feels like a competition
Thank you! When I saw that he put music as D tier that was frustrating.
Was a violinist at a top conservatory and later became a computer scientist. I would say that musical performance makes it to High B tier, maybe low A tier with all the difficulties added in since the concepts are hard but less difficult to grasp than theoretical majors. The practicing of 8-10 hours a day was grueling but more about perseverance in my opinion, same with the competition with classmates and often demanding/condescending professors. I would have put computer science into S tier if you started accounting for advanced algorithms classes, but at the bachelor level A seems appropriate. I never hit a situation in music where for it took whole weeks of overwhelming frustration and studying my ass off to even begin to understand the elementary concepts in some tough algorithms.
@@Rwasup123 you make a really good point there. Whether it’s easy or hard though, the depression rates must say something about how difficult it at least “feels”. I guess it’s worth noting that getting the degree isn’t actually the real difficulty, it’s about making your degree as standout. The degree comes with the pressure of needing to win a big competition and what not. So in some ways, the major is tough, but the degree is not as much so
Right? Just a wildly incorrect rating at D tier.
Music majors on their way recording themselves playing an instrument when they remember an assignments due in 20 minutes
As a masters student in theoretical physics, you grossly underestimate how difficult mathematics is as a university subject. I went into physics _because_ of how difficult a math degree is. We have to take 1 course from the mathematics department as part of our degree and it's the one everyone fears the most. (note I am also referring to pure math here)
@@Betweoxwitegan In the masters I took two courses on quantum field theory for particle physics and two courses on quantum field theory for condensed matter physics, and then one course each on general relativity, cosmology, gravitational waves, computer simulations in statistical physics and lastly quantum computing.
Real analysis? 😂
Yes me too i was taking a Civil Engineer Degree with Mathematics, and i had to change the spezialization because the mathematics became ridicolous after year 3
Music is way harder than D tier. It should probably be in A tier. There is more to it than just practicing your instrument. Music theory is difficult for a lot of people and you need to have a good understanding of mathematics to understand it. Also ear training and sight singing are very difficult skills to learn. If you don’t already play a keyboard instrument you have to become proficient at piano. Music technology also requires you to have a basic understanding of technology and computer programming. You have little free time between classes, lessons, practicing, and ensembles. You also have to pass juries every semester which can be very stressful.
Hell no 😭🙏
I’m sorry but it’s disrespectful to even consider your little music major to be A tier. 😂
@@PredatorGooseYou should take music theory courses. (Not TH-cam ones, real ones about set theory, ratios, counterpoint, matrices, temperaments, proportionality etc etc) I’ve done physics and music and many of my theory courses were more difficult than my physics ones. If you actually do Music and not an arts degree with a concentration in music, it’s math. Might not be as hard as Mathematics, but good luck 😅
@@PredatorGoosealso you have to be perfect at your instrument or you will flunk out. I mean perfect. You will develop psychological trauma and physical injuries from practicing 6-8 hours a day. Gl
@tomlittwin when you compare the number of graduates from Music to let's say Physics the difference is pretty big. So yes, Music is unfortunately in D tier due to the sheer objective facts behind the matter. Also you don't computer program for a Music major but it would depend on the program your school runs.
Music and art are very hard imo you have to devote everything to it, just the people tending to do music already love it so it’s a labor of love
Ain’t no way bro put mechanical engineering in the same category as civil engineering.
Why not make a 40-minute video then buddy 0:54
Music as a D is a crime. Ask how a music major is doing and they are constantly stressed. 50+ classes to graduate. Doesn't help that each class is 1 or 2 credit hours. 18 hours for a Music major is about 13 classes in one semester
Hope I don't come off as rude. It's just frustrating how our degree gets put down all the time.
It was very frustrating to see that. In order to be actually able to get a good performance job you better be practicing AT LEAST 3 hours every day, plus ensembles with long rehearsals and low credits, concerts, recitals, masterclasses, and attempting to make money through gigs. And you still have to practice over all breaks and, summer, and winter.
And then let’s not even talk about injuries from all the playing…
But music is subjective right? It’s easy to pass high level music theory classes cause it’s all subjective!!! Meanwhile most people don’t even understand what music theory is or looks like.
@@dominicjackson6857 exactly man.
@@dominicjackson6857Putting it at the same level as Communications is a crime 😒
I started a music degree and gave up in 2nd year. Went on to get a degree in history and politics, then a degree in software engineering. Music is just a different category. It's all consuming.
i used to be a pre med student and then switched to comp sci and lemme tell you, that major is def an S tier in difficulty. Comp sci is honestly just on another level when u dive deep into it.
I think it's hard for sure, I just don't think it's in S tier at the bachelors level.
Definitely, that’s coming from a ChemE major
Thats because premed is just memorising data where as comp sci and any engineering actually requires brain use
@@ShaneHummus knew someone that did well in chemical engineering but had a very difficult time with the intro to CS course
From my experience, most of the premeds at my college are insanely neurotic while the CS majors are fairly chill. But i’m only a freshman so what do i know lol.
Lot of comments saying CS is S tier. As a computer engineering major with lots of overlapping classes, I generally agree. However any CS major will tell you that Computer Engineering is way harder with lots of engineering and physics requirements on top of most of the harder CS courses. Not sure if either major is truly S tier, but if CS is then CE certainly is as well
Depends on the school. 10-15 years back, CE undergrad at my school was nearly identical to EE until senior year where they diverged in senior electives and senior design class. So separating the two out in our ECE department was kind of pointless honestly.
I agree but some schools do put CS along w/ their engineering school as well tbf
Math and Physics should be no.1 and 2 no doubt. If you only aim to study to pass the exams and get a degree, fine it's not that impossible. But if you aim to truly understand it and reaching to the next level, no other degrees come even close. The abstract level of math at the high end is absolutely insane. This tier list should be reviewed and discussed by the own students of those programs
Marketing and nursing major here and it’s not “pretty easy”. I can tell you from experience nursing is much more difficult than marketing. Borderline A tier. While I’ll say the information is not as challenging to learn as say biology the amount of time spent studying, preparing for clinicals, and general stress level is high. Don’t think nursing is cake walk if you’re going to go into it please.
Marketing has a higher pay ceiling
Bro a language degree is much harder than many of those degrees up there as you just have to skim read and memorise the subject matter. Go take yourself for a walk.
As an international politics major that is striving to go to a good law school, it is not an easy task in the slightest. A lot of people equate political science with international relations when they are different majors all together. Government in my opinion is not that hard when you talk about introductory courses, but getting into higher level courses, it becomes a lot more challenging in the sense that it becomes more specific and nuanced. Also, as a Spanish minor, I think that it is also a lot more difficult than what people claim it to be, because the intro courses are not hard at all, but getting into like Spanish Linguistics is not at all easy and takes such a deep understanding of language.
@Redrum Susan every major is a real major
@Redrum Susan they all serve a purpose, it’s just a purpose that you don’t find particularly interesting.
Didn’t expect to find my major in these comments. The amount of nuance to international relations theory and the writing required is crazy.
@Redrum Susan that has nothing to do with the statement that all majors are real majors 💀. Just because you aren’t majoring in engineering or computer science doesn’t mean you aren’t important. Humanities and the arts are just as important as STEM. STEM is how we live, art is why we live. Don’t be so negative about everything.
@@nobody1311 yeah, people roll their eyes and make fun of people with degrees in humanities and tell us we wasted our time and money. My dad has a degree in American History and is earning £250k+ a year working as a management consultant lol. In the UK most companies dont care what your degree is, they only care about the grade you got and how intelligent you are. I find people that have humanities degrees to be far smarter than people with business degrees lol
I was a math major... not S tier? Try taking abstract algebra and real analysis.
Im taking Real Analysis next semester. Not looking forward to it 😅
Yes? I took both as a physics major
ik man fuck finitely generated torsion modules over principal ideal domains😭😭
Real anal was my first semester module..
Yip and those aren't even the most difficult. There's also stuff like algebraic topology, category theory, differential geometry, complex analysis etc. Pure math is in a league of its own
I love all STEMM and it is all the same thing. It is quite surprising how they connect and actually help each other to better understand them.
The list is pretty accurate but here are two major items to consider since this is generally circumstantial and subjective (like you said): 1) All professors do NOT grade equally and thus the same subject can vary in rigor from professor to professor. 2) The language and resources needed to optimally succeed in a subject is not always readily available or given. For instance, in a plethora of South Florida institutions, chemistry majors are NOT told that they need to have taken/learned abstract algebra in order to seamlessly get through physical chemistry, hence why, statistically speaking, a slew of former chemistry majors change their majors because they can NOT handle the foreign language of a 4000 level physical chemistry course, in virtue of the class being heavy in abstract algebra; which isn't technically an inability or the fault the student, but more so the disorganization and misinformation of the pre-requisites listed for the physical chemistry curriculum. Another instance is accounting, where a myriad of low-tiered colleges/universities make introductory accounting students endure Cengage; which is LITERALLY doctoral caliber problems/assignments/examinations that NOT even the professors themselves can figure out; and the textbook that comes with the course is OBJECTIVELY quite utterly irrelevant to the Cengage online system, which is agreed upon across the board. The powers that be do NOT care to do anything about the matter, so theoretically, an accounting oriented individual would be incapable of getting through the course unless he/she has a professor that curves and/or finds the formulas from a savant who has cracked the code. Each problem, no joke/lie, across the board, takes over 20 hours to decipher while having a laundry list of problems to tackle.
8:05 "I like every type of math except for statistics", somehow I strongly doubt that...
Political Science doesn't have a rigouris workload but a lot of people struggle to actually grasp how to write a paper for political science as opposed to other argumentative papers. It's not terribly hard to learn but the time you have to put into researching topics and finding ways to define and measure abstract variables becomes increasingly difficult as you progress
Yeah it's easy to write a 15 page paper. It's hard to write a GOOD 15 page paper with good arguments, evidence, references, etc. Also all the research you need to do to write a single good paragraph is very time-consuming. Compared to the other rankings he had I would put it in B tier.
Right, it should be in F
I have a computer science, art, and a psychology degree. I feel like all the art degrees that you listed as "going to take a lot of time", where you are trying to master a skill, are probably harder than the social science and business degrees. You can passively learn most social science and business information by sitting and listening. If you pay attention in class you already get enough information to pass. Art degrees you have to spend like 10 hours a day practicing outside of class to get a good grade. And all those majors, the low end is pretty forgiving.
Solid points!
Not everyone learns the same which is why it's subjective.
Agree that's why I think music should've been C tier
100% agree with this - have degrees in violin performance, finance, and computer science at top programs and finance and accounting should be C and D tier respectively imo.
@@Laz3rCat95 have you tried a music degree? They have you take a ton of 3 hour classes for 1 credit hour each. Far from a C tier level.
I say that chemistry is in tier S, many people think that the course is not so difficult because it has a high school vision, but in fact chemistry is physics, but the part of physics that focuses on the interaction between atoms, molecules and photons, almost the entire course is about quantum mechanics and a lot of thermodynamics, and it involves a lot of calculus.
I agree. When the courses get advanced enough, Chemistry is Physics, is Math, and vice versa. They become extensions of each other, because really, they are all related. They are all “science”. In turn, these processes explain how more complex ones work, leading into molecular biology, genetics, biochemistry, and physiology, etc. Science is cool.
@@steveharris1740 This is true, however even advanced chemistry is not exactly as "deep" as a specialized physics course on that subject. For example, a theoretical chemist and a physcists may have covered more ore less the same topics in doing quantum mechanics, however when it comes to "mathematical depth" the physicist will have seen more, and that is simply because physicists are much more focused on more formal and mathematical precision of topics than others are. Like, as a chemist, you know about quantum mechanics sure, you know what is the basis mathematical framework in which you work in quantum systems, but if i give you a not so straighforward problem which involves special mathematical tools to be solved, a chemist will not be able to do it, simply because mathematical preparation for chemists is i'd say a good deal less than say a physicist. (this is not to criticize chemists, its just how those two different degrees are built) So yeah, from some point on it becomes physics, but a quantum mechanics class in physics degree and a quantum mechanics class in chemistry degree, believe it or not, does not have exactly the same value. The physics one will be more "complete" if you can say, as there is more possibility going in depth in the mathematical framework which entails a bigger and deeper comprehension on the subject
plus those insane lab hours
@@StefSubZero270 it surely doesnt go THAT deep, but it goes deep enough. You get to see the formula derivations and a lot of quantum mechanics. But i think chemistry is not only hard because of this, ITs equally as hard as physics because it also requires you to be really good at memorizing, at lab , and at spatial thinking/reasoning (for organic chemistry and visualazing reactions and the move of electrons) on top of that, there is a lot of math and physics so you need to be good at math. It just simply requires too many skillsets + labs and lab reports are time consuming and are very exahusting.
@@Abstractor21 Yep, although you really see those things the further you go with studies, in a bach degree in chemistry you are not gonna see much mathematics and physics, at least relative to a physics or math degree
A few notes about studying a foreign language from scratch at university (I am a native speaker of Polish studying Danish, now at about C1 proficiency level):
1. it depends masively on the complexity of the language itself. For a long time finnish studies at my Universitywere 4 years long in stead of the usual 3, due to the horrendus complexity of the grammar in the Finnish language (ex. 15 grammatical cases; for comparison English and many other germanic languages have none).
2. Also, after the first year it becomes preety clear who is good/motivated (in the best case both) at learning a particular language, as the gap in proficiency becomes clearer (both the proffesors and other students notice it VERY QUICKLY after a while), and from my experience many people either drop out or fail (in my case over 2/3 of Danish students in my year).
3. It also depends MASSIVELY on the teacher (do the teaching methods siut you, is the teacher good at teaching ect.) and if the teacher is a native speaker of the language or not (at my University it is standard practice, that both kinds teach, as both tend to be good at different things).
So the difficulty range is somewhere in between "childs play" and "nearly impossible".
Those are all very accurate statements, and I completely agree. It also depends on how similar the language you are studying is to the language(s) you already know fluently. For a native English speaker, Danish (or any of the Germanic languages really, except for maybe Icelandic or Faroese…I’ve found Norwegian and Swedish to be especially accommodating. German is a little harder because of the grammar, and Danish is a little harder because of the phonetics.) is so much easier to learn than a language like Japanese, Korean, or Arabic.
But really, any foreign language takes a lot of commitment to learn fluently.
Täähä on vitu helppo kieli
Learning a language as a university study is quite literally F tier, try doing maths and tell me how the two compare
I was a CS and Music double major. If the music degree is rigorous, it belongs in A tier. Other programs could fall in D tier. Some semesters keeping up with the music workload was considerably more work than my CS degree. Most schools don't have anywhere near the rigor in terms of Music Theory or History that mine did, but those that do are easily 80 hours or more worth of classwork/practice/ensemble rehearsal time a week.
Agree on the music major part. Yes, we've got a bunch of easy classes but the heaviest workload is set on your instrument. I honestly need to practice 6 hours per day, classes aside. And if concerts or examinations are close it's even more.
Interesting combination of majors.
@@sanfayyaad you’d be surprised, there was five of us in my year alone, not a very big school, maybe 50 music majors in a given class.
yo ive been thinking about my college majors and the only interest i have is music major but im afraid of taking it cause of what my mom would say, so any advice?
@@ElenaCorral-gx3bp Double major is the way to 1. please your parents and 2. have something employable if music doesn't work out. It helped that I had an interest in CS, but even something like marketing or finance could be a good fit if you aren't into STEM. I know a lot of music majors who were good but not great. Even one or two that were quite good, finished a master's, and just couldn't find work. The ones with double majors in that group are doing better than the ones who didn't, but ultimately they all found work in business. The second major just gives you a say in what that work is if music doesn't work out. The people with a music performance major and no backup plan just took whatever they could get.
Math is S tier. Biology and civil engineering is B tier. And Econ is A tier. I’m going by iq by Major as well. On a lot of others, I agree.
Applied Economics is A tier. It’s all math and statistics.
Accounting is also difficult it can be A tier.
Currently majoring in Aerospace Engineering (Aeronautics), and yea, it’s extremely difficult, long study hours, but it is very interesting and enjoyable.
Honestly I think it should probably be in the same tier as mechanical. They’re nearly the same in content
@@googlymooglyman No way. Aerospace Engineering is like mechanical on steroids. More courses to take (including electrical engineering and materials science) and more fluids dynamics and structural analysis classes than ME. ME is AE-lite.
Chemical engineering student here. Nice tier list I agree!
I got English and History degrees and I gotta say, History is MUCH more difficult in terms of workload and rigor in my experience. We had a lot more people drop out of the program, just under half.
I’m a hell of a reader and writer and I was still pulling longer hours than any of my colleagues in business or finance - just massive time investment for history.
@@Gurkha-z8s depends, theyre easy to pass but getting an A in history is very rare.
I’m a Psych major & from my personal experience History classes are the most rigorous. You need to have a certain level of reading comprehension to get an A in those classes. The courseload for history classes are typically among the highest from my experience.
Not only was it hard to get A’s, some of my former professors were way too political. I couldn’t stand it anymore!
@@9BeetleBones6 the arts will always be easier than STEM, sorry.
@@hectornieves537 they never said it wasn't, just that it was harder than some other humanities/social sciences. notice how stem was not mentioned once.
Why is math always so underestimated? I suggest you take a course in advanced homological algebra and then try to tell me how QFT is still more difficult
**S** = Aerospace Engineering, Chemical Engineering, Electrical Engineering, Engineering Physics, Physics
**A** = Architecture, Biology, Biomedical Engineering, Chemistry, Civil Engineering, Computer Science/Engineering, Industrial Engineering, Mathematics, Mechanical Engineering, Microbiology, Nuclear Engineering, Petroleum Engineering, Statistics, Pre-Med/Law
**B** = Accounting, Economics, Finance, Geology, Management Info. Systems, Nursing
**C** = Anthropology, Art, Business, English, Geography, History, Journalism, Marketing, Political Science, Social Work
**D** = Communications, Languages, Music, Public Relations, Religion/Theology, Sociology
**F** = Creative Writing, Dance, Education, Interdisciplinary Studies, Drama/Theater
P.S Can you guess what I'm majoring in? :D
If you're going to do "difficulty", at least clarify if you're talking about learning the theory or about workload and homework
I am a math major with physics and CS minor and i love the theoretical challenge it gives me
Because of that, i think medicine and aerospace engineering are a cake walk
However, i'm a very abstract and lazy guy, so even tho the theory is easy, the ammount of work in medicine would just be absurd for me because it would be extremely boring
So i think you could split the video into two types of difficulty, it's kinda awkward seeing engineering has "harder" than math
I could sit here and type about how funny it is reading how every one of you are taking the hardest classes on earth, but instead I'd like to thank you because there's no way I'd waste my money or time doing any of that. Without you guys I, a union semiconductor pipefitter, wouldn't have a job. Good luck on your careers and happy Thanksgiving!
*spend your money
It’s only a waste if it gets you nothing i.e you drop out
Also should be grateful that these people are taking the harder classes that actually get you somewhere. It’s a waste of money if you get any of the C tier or lower degrees
@@jeffmora5161 bruh the C tier and below degrees aren't a waste of money lol. I took political science and make a ton of money as a lawyer as well as the majority of those can secure you with a job.
Engineering Physics Major here, very underrated major and can confirm difficulty = insane
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@@ShaneHummus You're the first youtuber that I have seen to acknowledge the existance of Engineering Physics it gets brushed over too often lol
Liberally every physics major I met studies INSANE stuff in their dorm
It is definitely overlooked. What about it makes it underrated in your opinion
What are the courses like compared to just physics? I always wanted to take engineering physics but my uni doesn't offer it.
I know too many Pre-Law Students that completely shifted focuses because they were not nearly prepared for the intensity of real school post 4 year Psych, Poli-Sci, and CJ degrees. As a current MBA student I would agree with the majority of your Business school rankings, but would suggest moving all of them to B or less. Unless you go for further certifications or schooling, every Business route is relatively simple.
They should all go to D or F
You right about Architecture and Chemical Engineering.
Thanks! Glad you think so.
I lowkey think he dropped this list to roast people who tell others their classes are tough, but just end up watching movies all day 😂
All jokes aside I'd love to see a longer version of this video!
Btw majoring in computer engineering and minoring in math and computer science, love your vids, keep up the great work!
Exactly, you can see some of them are angry down here in the comment section 😂 it's hilarious.
I'm currently a bio major, but I'm looking at transferring to a school with a chem program because I have absolutely loved all my chem classes. In my experience the thing most bio majors struggle with is just the amount of terminology and the chemistry. I would probably bump it down a step just cause aside from like four classes it really isn't hard at all as long as you're disciplined about studying.
For someone like me who is pre-med that is a bio major it can be nerve racking on exam day trying to get all A’s when you have to cram so much information in your head. That said besides Orgo and maybe Anatomy/Physiology the material itself isn’t too challenging just a lot of memorization.
Have you considered Chemical Engineering as a CHE major I took inorganic chem I&2, Qualitative Chemistry, Quantitative Chemistry, Organic Chemistry I&2, Physical Chemistry 1&2, and lastly Process Engineering Chemistry. You also will be getting lots of Physics, Chemical Thermodynamics, and Unit Operations, which is mass transfer, heat and energy transfer, and simultaneous mass and energy transfer, which is practical chemistry applied to industrial & process engineering practices.
For those considering CS, if you’re reasonably competent with math, the courses you really need to worry about are Computer Organization/Architecture, Algorithms, Programming Languages, and Operating Systems.
If you don’t mind me asking, is it okay to go into it without any prior knowledge because you’re interested in it?
Physics and Mathematics are easly the hardest degrees out there, and definetly a good deal harder than any engineering. A lot more complicated and very advanced mathematics are covered in those degrees than any other existing degrees. Physics and maths are those degrees in which you go if you are very very good at that, like you have a natural talent for those kind of things.
It really depends on the individual and their level of knowledge in each area
@@msinna6433What an amazing insight. I have also heard that a Ferrari may be an expensive car but that depends on your salary.
Food for thought 🤔💭
What about philosophy? And depending on the program, theology is far more difficult than what you suggest. Cheers.
I did chemical engineering and math dual and math was harder. Math is certainly S tier.
Maybe you’re just not good at math
I think it’s a bit unfair to rank PreMed in the same tier as Bio, Microbio, and Chem because premeds literally are literally in those majors and have to be at the top of their class, do extracurriculars, take the MCAT, and more to get into med school. In my opinion, especially since the majors themselves are ranked A-tier, PreMed should be low S-tier.
As someone who’s done both political science and education courses I’d say it’s kinda wild you put political science that high. They are relatively similar in difficulty.
Undergraduate double major in Creative Writing and Film Studies here. I agree with your assessment that the Creative Writing degree ( 3:50 ) is F-tier in terms of difficulty. What’s not easy, however, is writing strong work, and navigating the industry, which is what a good program will prepare you for. It’s a degree you need to pursue for the right reasons; in other words, don’t use it as an ‘easy degree.’ Use your experience in that program to learn how to write better, and to meet fellow writers you can network with. And if you want a Creative Writing degree and have an opportunity to double major, do it. Not only will you gain knowledge in an outside subject that you can use in your writing, but the challenge of a double major will show employers that you’re willing to take on a substantial quantity of work in pursuit of a goal.
I think that this ranking is highly subjective and condescending in many ways! From my point of views in all of these areas of study you will find subpar, mediocre, average, great and genius levels of universities, professors and students! Who can say for example that becoming a great mathematician is easier than becoming a great doctor or becoming a bestselling author? Yes, Pythagoras contributed huge amount of knowledge to humanity, but so did Mozart or Dostoevsky or Plato and so on...
You need to be condescending in order to achieve excellence. Business and languages (among many others) do not belong in any reputable lecture hall, only mathematics based studies deserve praise
I'm studying Biology and boi you are so right, I severely underestimated how loaded the entire degree actually is..
Lots and lots of memorization.
I'm dual majoring in both math and physics. Math is definitely S tier
I'm doing math and chemistry. Math is S tier for sure
Math has to be S at a moderately rigorous school.
Where’s philosophy?
Its sitting far above S tier where it belongs.
I majored in Marketing, Operations and Statistics. Like humanities, languages and social sciences, marketing is not hard to understand but harder to get As than statistics, because 1. marketing is qualitative 15 years ago and hence the grade is subjective; 2. the subjective nature requires an understanding of the taste of professors. It's hard to know their taste in all classes; 3. group projects depend on peer performance. It's hard to get stellar team in every class.
I ended up taking all required marketing classes when I went exchange. All the classes taken during exchange program are graded pass or fail. On the other hand, I was taking all statistics classes in my home schools to brush my grades. Although it takes much longer to study, the projects are more objective. It's easier to get As.
Great points!
Marketing was my easy A class. Don’t you just end up doing all the work in group projects? The tools were cool like the Nielsen ratings by zip code where they profiled and gave a summary of people. It was fun to read all the profiles.
@@cheesypoofs6256 😅My school curve it, less than 15% gets A... So marketing is to beat the competitors...
I’m studying digital marketing and doing a minor in computer science. Id say this list is pretty accurate. My comp sci classes are definitely more rigorous. However, my school still required stats and calculus for marketing.
Agreed!
Good combo. What's the name of the University?
Digital marketing seems extremely difficult /s 😂😂😂
I'm a math/cs major (1 semester left) with a degree in Philosophy and another in Communication.
Difficulty (hardest to easiest)
1. Math - Very abstract at a certain point. Takes weeks to grasp certain concepts/proofs. Very conceptual.
2. Computer science - applied math in a lot of cases, not a lot of guidance compared to other subjects
3. Philosophy - A shit ton of reading, history, and deciphering very vague/abstract writings. Not too difficult but some Philosophers are very hard to understand. Teaches critical thinking.
4. Communication - mostly easy but a lot of public speaking and writing involved. Some classes were just free As.
Thats my two cents for my areas of study.
Wait do you have bachelors in all 4? How did you afford all that😂
@@ethanrukavina3082 4 year academic scholarship, then I took some minimal loans out. I then worked for a while and saved because I wanted a career change. I paid in-state tuition and took plenty of courses at community college. Keep in mind an additional degree is only 30 credits for me now if I have the electives already. I haven't had to pay much of the loans yet because I was taking classes, and they will hopefully all be forgiven by the biden administration stuff.
@@ParadoxTetris awesome thanks for sharing!
That is really impressive, I happened to be between majors (currently undecided) and I was wondering if you could give some advice? I'm more so between philosophy and computer science which are very different in the job market from what I know. I think the study of philosophy and the skills I could obtain from a philosophy degree would be very valuable skills to have but at the same time, the degree from computer science or math is going to have a higher value when finding a job. I also had passion for teaching but I've slowly realized that I might not have the patience to deal with children or teens and I would really only be passionate about teaching as a professor but that would require even more school so that's going back to the value of the degree vs. the time and money.
Studying communications 😭😭😭😭
I double majored in Accounting and Finance. Accounting can be hard but the math is rather easy, it's the concepts combined with it that tends to trip people up. I found finance to be much more math heavy but still nothing as severe as engineering. I think cal 2 was the highest math course I took. Intermediate acct 1 and 2 will make you suffer though.
Thanks for sharing!
Its not the maths that make accounting hard, its the concept. I think finance will be good for me since i like maths. What kind of maths is in finance? And how math heavy is it?
@@ShaneHummus sorry Shane but mathematics should be in S tier, please remake this video with some explanations as well. I would also arguably put chemistry in S tier, especially upper level organic and thermo classes.
@@Lazymath007_ I'd say middle of the road difficulty math wise. In finance you cover topics like CAPM, portfolio management, capital budgeting, time value of money calculations, etc. most of which can be done on a financial calculator.
Finance gets tricky once you get into investments and leverage. Also Security Analysis
Mechanichal Engineer here... Math should be S tier
as an education major, it is most definitely not in F tier. the amount of extracurricular work that goes into being a teacher, such as lesson planning, psychological and pedagogical evaluations, hundreds of student teaching hours, educational law, special education, disability program work, etc., not to mention the GPA requirements just to get into an education program. any education major will tell you it is not an F tier in terms of difficulty, in comparison to how this list is shaped up, it's probably closer to B, even A depending on where you go.
I slept through those extracurriculars and it takes time and effort but that's it. The problem is that everything you learn in school is theoretical and does not apply to all regions of the US. My comment is that getting the degree is super easy, but the job is darn near one of the hardest. Imagine a mathematician that has to get all of the numbers to behave before he could use any. Then he has to instruct each number how to work, teaching the tools of its trade. But each number has different levels of effectiveness and disabilities. Train each number separately AND at the same time. Ensure each number is successful. Call the numbers primary to get support and most times have to teach the primaries. Find out how to get a decent product with materials, coworkers, and admin who only know how to divide. All of this while striving to get each number to become exponentially greater in hopes of creating a better statistic for the entire subject. Nope, easy peasy job. Isn't it? Before any feelings are hurt, understand that the video is about degree of degree difficulty, not job qualifications. If it were the latter, education would be an SSSS tier.
Thing is, philosophy would be classified as C, according to your criteria, when I would easily argue it’s an A or S subject, because being a GOOD philosopher is far more difficult than being a good biologist and requires a serious IQ. But PASSING philosophy is far easier than most technical subjects.
Philosphy is 100% the hardest major bar none.
A lot of humanities majors are hard to rank bcs of their focus on critical thinking. Someone may not be memorizing science terms but damn will they have to think and plan and use their brain for outside of the box thinking.
Although physics has very difficult courses, you can get a bachelor of arts in physics in many universities, giving you access to extremely easy courses to finish the degree. Unlike any engineering discipline, where a BA doesn't really exist.
My business classes are so easy! You can take them with your eyes closed and there’s tons of professors teaching those classes. Like Econ, business 101, etc, international business
I got a BS in physics and one in mathematics along with many in chemistry and biology. I saw the largest number of people quitting physics of these four majors by far. Started with 20-40 majors and ended with about 5
Actuary Science, a specialist degree within the Statistics Department, a subset of the Mathematics Department, is by far the most difficult degree to successfully complete. In addition to the rigorous courses, you need to pass 5-7 national exams in different areas to obtain a license. If the student is successful, a very lucrative career they will have.
Just my experience... Though Math was my degree in college, I have went through an arts HS with 4 years of collegiate level Creative Writing.
I barely passed. I almost got kicked out of the program completely twice. It was definitely a lot harder than my Math coursework. It's not like you write a short story or play, turn it in, and pass if you beat the word count. Being able to criticize and analyze texts was a huge part of the program, probably about half of everything. You will have to read constantly, which is something I personally struggled with. Easily up to 50 pages a day of just reading. Then going in reverse: taking what you learned from analysis and criticism to apply to your own work is another deal. The subjectivity actually makes it harder not easier. A lot of folks get a low grade sometimes non-passing if for example your work is too trite and doesn't do anything interesting. Trying to do that while getting 5K+ on a page was unbearably difficult for me. Poetry is another big bag of worms.
But of course this will vary from person to person.
That’s probably why you chose a math degree lol. Some dudes read 50 pages with ease but you show them a plus sign and they freak out. A fish can’t run.
As a PhD student in math, math often has a much easier path to a bachelors degree (you can make it harder obviously, but if you want a simple path its there) while a physics bachelor's is pretty standard and is fairly rough. HOWEVER, mathematics as a subject is definitely harder. If you want to really prepare yourself for graduate school a math major is MUCH harder than a physics major. I've been able to sit in on multiple graduate physics courses, but I find it very hard to believe (and I've yet to see) any physics grad students sitting in on a graduate math class.
Ranking music major is very difficult because that varies so much based on the institution you study at. If you’re a music performance major at a world class institution like u of m, Juilliard, berklee, etc that is way harder than even electrical engineering at a place like Purdue, u of m, Stanford, or mit. However, the standardization of a major like engineering makes it a little more standard even at the community college level and the same cannot be said for music. So that’s where the discrepancy comes in: the top of music major is harder than the top of engineering, but the average engineering major is harder than the average music major.
The top of engineering have you considered about MIT or Caltech? Do you think that is going to be easier? Have you studied Engineering?
I think A teir is a little to crowded. It feels wrong to say biology is in the same league as mathematics and chem. I think a video going over strictly stem would be able to clear up that problem
I did a biology degree on a pre-med track. It was very hard. It’s the competitiveness that kills you. It’s already a hard major but to get into grad school you need a 3.4 or better. I managed to get into grad school with a 3.0 but that was largely due to I scored very high on MCAT exam and I took way more liberal arts and social sciences than was required and that, believe it or not, helped too.
Math is S tier. I have a math degree. Outscored all the physics kids in my proof classes.
Any list that puts mathematics as anything but the hardest major is automatically invalid
I don't have no one that help me with career decision but thank you you illuminates me so much
As a nursing major, 7:17 hurt me. “Nursing isn’t all that hard” sure buddy, let’s see you try
yall just a doctor with 5% less knowledge, grow up
He's a pharmacist so he might be alright.. I do agree he didn't need to say it like that though.
Ive studied in science field all college/university mostly engineering and actuarial science. I did 1 year in nursing school in university out of nowhere and it was the easiest thing I did since 10th grade… never open a book outside the class and had slightly above average grades. It’s a lot of stuff but their is nothing hard about it. B tier is really where It belongs
And I don’t want to flex or whatever it’s just a fact I think
I think architecture should be S because as you said it's sort of a left and right brain thing but also there's the element of having to be good at math but also like good at drafting good at drawing like a lot of different areas of skills that like don't really have anything to do with each other
Dude woke up wanting beef lol..if ur not in STEM just expect to be either B teir or lower
I did, come at me lol.
At my university I suspect the degree is much more rigorous than a normal computer science degree. For some background I’ve had two tech jobs currently a Systems programmer for uni and currently a junior in CS degree. Breakdown::
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CS1- easy
CS2- easy
Discrete math- medium
Calc1- hard
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Calc2- easy / medium
Intro to systems - medium/hard
Databases and algorithms- hard
Intro to theoretical comp sci- hard
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Databases( industry DB management )- easy
Software engineering- medium
Linear algebra- medium
Systems 1- medium/hard
Mathematics should be B tier. It's not that hard. Real analysis ,topology, partial differential equations, ring theory, abstract algebra, differential geometry, groups theory, numerical linear algebra... these subjects are all so easy that I think I could have been able to learn all of this in just 2 years at primary school.
I was thinking of maybe wanting to do math but apparently everyone here disagrees and says it is the hardest out of all of them. 🤷♂️
Hope this is satire