I Got A Philosophy Degree And Only Make $20,000
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My brother started a philosophy degree, and he promptly changed majors when a professor quipped “ok. We all know why we’re here right?...So that we have something interesting to talk about in the unemployment line.” Yikes!
Philosophy is actually pretty good degree for law majors, it's not too hard so you can keep your GPA high, and is good prep for the LSAT. And in law your GPA can determine what you make long term bc the better the school the better the pay.
K W.S yeah, but that’s contingent that you get into a good law school
@@blakeb4583 well with all the lack of stem classes you should have alot of time to study for the LSAT. And considering that the LSAT and ur GPA is the 2 major things they looks at I think any person who really applies themselves can get into a good lawschool. Ofc that won't be the case if you just strive to be mediocre
@@kaiw.s6053 I would actually say your major plays a bigger role than your GPA because a lot of law schools will weigh a lower GPA STEM major more than a higher GPA philosophy major, and generally the easier degree you have the higher you have to get on the LSAT. But your LSAT score is the most important thing.
@@blakeb4583 Law schools don't put that much stock into which major you pick as long as you did great in it. Sure a 3.6 in chemical engineering will be looked at slightly different than a 3.6 in English but at the end of the day that's not what they really care about. I would definitely agree that the Lsat is above all though
Want to know the difference between a pizza and a philosopher?
A pizza can feed a family of four.
True, but a philosopher feeds your mind. LOL
@@christams8863 Lame joke
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@ Truth BOT THANK YOU for making me laugh :)
College is such a confusing time for students.. and most kids have no idea what they want to do, and the bad part is that mistakes made during this time have huge price tags on them.
Yeah most of us learned that the hard way. :/
Absolutely true!!!! And even worse when you have parents who have never gone to college & know nothing about Financial Aid & Loans!!!!
My son is having this current issue. 18 years old, graduating senior and doesn’t know what he wants to major in or do at this moment. I’m suggesting to him to go to community college, save money, and not incur a lot or any debt at all.
@@ajbluebird7741 My parents pushed me to go into community college too at the time. Hated every minute I was there. If I could do it over, I'd rather go into a trade for a few years THEN go to college after maturing and having a better idea of what jobs/degrees are out there.
@@ajbluebird7741 If he doesn't know what he wants to do, don't put him in any college at all. Let him work and live and figure out what he wants to do. After a year or two he should be able to make a decision.
Sounds like a nice honest guy. Wouldn't do well in finance
Bruce Wayne 😂😂😂😂
Getting a “finance” degree won’t do well in finance either way.
@@tyjohn4779 elaborate please. I'm compsci major right now. Have been interested in finance for a little bit.
@@bwilliams6755 You can take a chartered financial analyst (CFA) exam without a degree in finance, where as for accounting designations, there are pre-requisite courses. I hope that kinda explains the situation.
B Williams the best most lucrative jobs in finance away from executive level are in sales and tech fields lol a finance degree is pretty worthless , major in IT or Comp Sci if u can’t sell
"I didnt think, therefore I'm broke." - Philosopher Chris
LOL
You made me break my 3 month streak of not commenting on TH-cam!
@@johannesrutherford422 Awww yeah!!!! 👍😉
justinredman haha good one.
justinredman I literally laughed out loud. Thanks for that..
Ha ha
My pastor got his MA in Philosophy-his go-to quip: “I wanted to be the guy in the back of Taco Bell saying, ‘What *IS* a taco?’”
Brilliant
Not 60 grand in debt for a 20k salary that's for sure
At least he utilized his degree
Very profound
A taco is a sandwich and all sandwiches are tacos.
Man... my grandparents rarely bought me birthday gifts... this guy got a free college degree.
Musa I of Mali and picked philosophy.
My grand parents have given me 50 cents (at most) till date
And he wasted it
Dumb grandparents. Grandpa should have told him no way he's paying for a philosophy degree
Ur grandparents maybe didnt have money. His had money. Mine paid for my engineering degree as well as 15k into my MBA and company i work for paid the rest
They have money and they are awesome
I have a relative with a philosophy degree and he clears well over 6 figures a year. You need to be strategic in your career planning and network as well. A philosophy degree isn't worthless but you need to be able to convey to employers that you learned critical thinking and problem solving skills from your degree.
I am totally with you on this one. You have to make your luck. You can't just sit around, and be like I got a philosophy degree.
What’s his career in? Like specific job title cause I don’t know any that pay 6 figures to think unless it’s a think tank in DC but they usually want Political Science not philosophy
@@TheMarioMen1 *facepalm* I don't think he's emphasizing that he's getting paid to do Philosophy. He's showcasing an example of someone who was able to leverage their formal knowledge in Philosophy within the job market and do well.
@@_VISION. this is true. One if my friends did international relations for his undergrad and worked really hard to get into Yale and got a master's degree in philosophy and religion. He has been working for Google for about 3 years now. The point is that he was able to show he had a valuable set of skills that he could leverage and was simply smart.
@@muffinmixish That's awesome. What does he do at Google?
So how many jobs did he apply for?
Has he looked at other potential career paths? My concern is that he is putting too much blame on a piece of paper for his lack of success.
Getting another piece of paper is going to put him in the same entry level grind when he graduates.
People with unrelated degrees can easily make 50k in an office work environment.
I agree -- you must be strategic and open. I double majored in Music and Spanish and when teaching in my field of studies didn't work out for me financially, I explored other industries. None of the jobs (or at least what I accepted) paid less than $15/hr. Within a few yrs, the jobs I qualify for now in the corporate law/contracts industry are in the 6-figure arena, even though I am not an attorney.
That being said, if he is dead set on moving to finance, best of luck in his studies!
@TheLifeBidder not sure about the sales job...you don't need to have business acumen to sell....you need to have the courage to pick up the phone and cold call...if the company is any good they would provide the necessary sales training
@TheLifeBidder Really? I worked as an analyst in a post trade clearance and settlement firm and I didn't have a related major at all. It depends on who you work for.
Jason Taylor aaaaand that’s why sales people have such a bad reputation. Of course you need business acumen. If you want to sell cars no you won’t need much but let’s face it, you’re not getting into any coveted sales positions without a business background. Try telling that to salesforce, ibm, microsoft, adobe, etc etc
retail sales to customers perhaps. business to business, not so much the case, esp large businesses tend to be very conservative, risk averse, only wanting specific degrees without proven resume.
So glad I stumbled upon Dave Ramsey's channel! I changed my major from sociology to nursing just in time!
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Dave: "How much do you make a year?"
Caller: "Bout 20 grand"
Dave : "How much is a years worth of school?"
Caller: "Bout 20 grand"
Dave: "Whats your name again?"
Caller: "Bout 20 grand"
thechrisonater0514 did we watch different videos? In the one I watched the caller was able to answer all of Dave’s questions
Malcolm Joseph Salvador r/whooooosh
I laughed out loud!!!!
lol
Yeah that's how I felt
The question the caller needs to answer is what is the end goal job he wants and how will a finance degree help him get there. The caller seems to think just getting a finance degree will automatically get him a better job. If he has no end goal he will be right back where he is.
clericstorm2009 Good point!
I am surprised Dave did not bring that up. I’m afraid this guy will get another degree without a goal in mind.
Good for him realizing his mistake. Good luck sir and work hard hard for your finance degree. You won't regret it one day.
I wouldn't even call it a "mistake", philosophy is an extremely good thing to understand in order to develop a deeper understanding of the world. However, yeah it's not very smart to study philosophy to earn a good income and pay bills.
@Josh S True.
First of all there are no mistakes, only lessons. Second of all, you need an English course. "You won't regret it one day"
E..A..G..L..E..S
Not true. The median income of a philosophy degree is 45.000$. Thats a good average. According to glassdoor this is better paid even than degrees like chemistry, public relations or even psychology. And there are a lot of rich people that have studied philosophy. Peter Thiel for example studied philosophy (yea amongst others, but still).
Got a philosophy degree and now I am in a tech job working my way to my dream position. No one understands the truth of a philosophy degree until they work hard and achieve one, and that is that this education prepares you to excel in just about anything. This is because people who pursue philosophy learn to retain and exploit knowledge better than the average person. Look at the percentage of philosophy graduates that pass the lsat. It's not for no reason. Okay I'll get off of my soap box for another year.
What and where do you work? Is it computer science?
I am glad that things have worked out well for you, but you must concede that in many other cases, students have not had the same fortune.
Yea, he should go to law school.
"I majored in philosophy..."
*Dave's face
Juan T 🙄😂
That is my reaction when I hear someone majoring in a useless major.
@@infamouscrusader3363 like psychology
@@kevin1seven923 Exactly. That is one example.
@@timo.10 Currently, I am majoring in English. I know, it was a pretty stupid idea but now I am half way int the program I feel like I might as well finish. If I could switch majors, I'd more likely switch to Computer Science or Information Technology, especially now since I am looking into Technical Writing.
Right now, I am teaching myself some Programming Languages and Software Tools. I'm also thinking about taking some Computer Science courses in the future and possibly a minor but I'm not sure because most people in the subject who I spoke to said it can all be taught online and courses in websites like Git Hub.
If I can't get into Technical Writing, my next plan is go to a Trade School or Community College and learn Web Design so I can get into Web Development while writing novels on the side (the real reason I majored in English and then I realized that was not such a good idea).
If the guy needs a side hustle, the best option would be joining the Delaware National Guard. It would be a part time gig to make money, with his degree he could go in as an officer, AND Delaware would pay full tuition for state schools. So he would not get any debt for an additional degree, get incredible leadership training that companies will pay good money to him for those skills
That is a very good idea; wish I'd done that.
Even active duty guys recommend going Guard but they’re really not advertised as well, only portrayed as “weekend soldiers” but they get literally all the benefits of AD while living in your home state, not having to move every 3 to 4 years, etc
The problem isn’t his degree... It’s him. I’m 26. I got a philosophy degree and make well into 6-figures running my own marketing agency. I worked 40 hrs/week for a non-profit for a year right after college making $24k. During that year, I also spent 40 hrs/week learning social media, running small business accounts for free to learn, and then once I acquired skills, I started my own business. You can learn without school. You just have to be willing to work hard and sometimes for free. I don’t regret getting a philosophy degree. It taught me how to think.
Did you get the degree because you liked the subject or was there another reason?
@@kuhataparunks Yeah I transferred from Risk Management (where the average salary out of college is $75k/year) to Philosophy because I started studying apologetics and wanted to learn how to think more clearly to ground my faith (I had just become a Christian a year before). So I went into Philosophy because of how it was shaping me as a person, which I think is more important than your "career." I'm not saying everyone should do it, but I really just made my comment above to demonstrate that you can create a "career" with a philosophy degree. It's just a more challenging and indirect path.
Philosophy majors have one of the higher median salaries of majors. The degree isnt holding him back.
Yeah, my wife has a philosophy degree as her only degree and she makes a lot more money than I do as a software engineer. The degree isn't directly related to her work (which isn't uncommon at all), but the skills she picked up are relevant.
@@cubicle47 if you don't mind sharing sir, what is your wife job title and what is her job needing her to do?
Well known i mean prostitution fits that criteria
@@techmedia1360 One criterion, two criteria.
I've heard Philosophy majors do well as lawyers. That could be a possibility.
Very expensive to do and very limited job market, unless you can get into a top school but after the University of Delaware that may be unlikely.
@@Gamenetreviews lol yeah if you don't go to a known law school you will end up as a public defender
Litigation, contracts, business/transactional, estate planning, insurance law etc pay very well and you don’t need to go to a private law school to get a good paying job as a lawyer. Nebraska College of Law and Creighton graduated most of the lawyers in Nebraska and they’re doing well with less debt. Even JD preferred jobs like compliance and lobbyist/analyst pay well depending on your experience.
I’m glad I went to Nebraska rather than American George Washington - an expensive private school I also got a scholarship for. DC was way too expensive and it wouldn’t have been worth it. Anyway, my fav professor taught at UCLA and George Washington. So I got private school level professor paying a quarter of the cost.
@@schuylergeery-zink1923 you went to Nebraska? Haha my older brother is going there
Around here in the Seattle area, you just need a degree and you can interview yourself into just about any non-technical entry level administrative position. This guy just needs to interview better and smarter at the right places.
Kid makes $20,000 a year working 40 hours a week. Ramsey wants him to find an extra $1500 a month.
So you want him to magically start making $45,000 a year while in school.
I need some of what Ramsey is smoking...
Vintage Swiss Also, he didn’t seem totally versed on undergraduate curriculum. At least in my engineering program the first year was largely the same for STEM majors- but the second year was all major specific.
Good point. I just don't know how the guy could possibly work 40 hours a week, plus a side gig that will pay $1.5k, plus being a full time student. Who does that?
Yea I agree 12 credit hrs + 40 hr job + 30 hr uber/delivery ? = death
The dude was a philosophy major. He could start doing freelance writing gigs. I made $400 my first month as a freelance proof reader.
@@bucketrance 😂😂
My brother is majoring in biology to move on to grad school to be a pharmacist and minoring in philosophy because he loves it... i was always told major in what gets you a job and minor in what you love...i am lucky as i love accounting and it is a very safe and secure field
The most important truths are revealed through suffering; therefore, a life of poverty makes a good philosopher.
He doesn’t necessarily need another degree, if he applies himself and looks for the right role, he can climb the ladder somewhere and increase his salary.
the "college is a scam" people in the comments are almost *always* an eNtRePrEnEuR lol
It's not a scam. It's a hugely overpriced bubble
Not me. I think it is a scam for most because they major in subjects that lead to low paying jobs and can be easily self-taught. I suggest most people to do other options such as Trade School, Community College, and depending on their plans in life, go into Business themselves. There are other options.
@@abec8211 That's what a scam is. Most degrees are not worthwhile.
It’s a scam when you get a philo degree
Hate to say it, but it is a scam in general. Only go to college if you're trying to become a doctor, lawyer, engineer, scientist, etc.
I double majored in philosophy, English Literature, and recieved a certificate in folklore as well. I then went to grad school and earned my M.A. in philosophy. After grad school I went to law school and was able to clerk for a federal judge during two of my summers. I'm now an ethics attorney for one of the three lettered government agencies. I make a little over 115k a year. I could have made 140k at various law firms, but I love my current work.
If you're curious about a degree/major in philosophy then let me know.
I think the problem is that people want to get rich quick. I am doing a liberal studies degree and plan on following in your steps.
It’s great that he finished his degree. He can just go back and finish another degree and move forward and have a nice story to tell. Good for him.
I made $20k/yr working 30hrs a week doing night shift stocking shelves from 10pm-4am, going home, sleeping 3.5-4.5hrs before getting up for class. It can be done. Employers WILL work with your schedule.
His grandfather basically paid money to support Univ of DE to pay for their philosophy professors.
I grew up in NJ. University of DE was known as the "University of Drunkenness" and was where you went if you want to go to college to party and not study. (
I’m currently 20 and college student and I make 35k with just a high school degree. Something I learned in my young life is that you get ahead with who you know rather than what you know. I hope nothing but the best for Chris and to anyone planning to go to college please make research on what job you can get with your degree .
99% of the people in this comment section have probably never taken a course in philosophy.
I have taken 3 philosophy courses. So I must be part of that 1%.
Taking philosophy 101 on the way to an engineering degree is fine, but don't major in philosophy.
@@libertarian4323 Funny you mention engineering. My friend did mechanical engineering... currently unemployed for the past 2 years.
Never have. But I retired at 52 so now I have time to ponder things.
@@Pcarnevaaa Mechanical engineering is trash. Software engineering is where its at 😎
I work at a college - they don't make getting a 2nd degree easy...they'll make a person who earned a degree redo a lot...it's frustrating and stupid, but it's they way they are. I've experienced it myself and came away annoyed. I wanted to earn an MBA to go with my engineering degree - and they wanted me to retake math courses - it had been some time, but if there is one thing engineering students have it's lots and lots of high level math - and to retake basic stuff is dumb...it's a money grab.
I have a philosophy degree work for a law firm making $35k only 3 months out of college. Got the degree to eventually go into law school.
Any major will do for law school.
Hope you don't find it too miserable.
According to some studies I’ve read, physics and math majors do best on the LSAT. However, it’s hard to deny that a philosophy background is helpful, especially since logical reasoning is the majority of the exam.
No, you silly person. Studies conducted by law schools that I read when I took the LSAT years ago. No need to be so defensive.
oh god. Law school is a bigger scam than undergrad.
* Trigger Warning*
Pick from these three different colleges at your university: Business, Engineering or Nursing. There, problem solved.
I was in the school of music, but I had a wake up call, realizing I want to eat when I graduate. Currently in my final year of BS in Finance, specializing in Investing.
Thanks for saying colleges and not majors. If you’re going down the business route you need to narrow it down between finance or accounting. Marketing, business management, entrepreneurship, marketing, and often economics are so generalized they develop few opportunities following the completion of the bachelors degree.
@@vlKenzo for accounting, you have another 2 years to do the CPA and it's quite pricey
Dave’s face in the beginning 😂
Kid knows he went the wrong way, at least he’s willing to adjust himself!
RealLife Money - Weekly Financial Videos That’s EXACTLY what caught my attention!!
Hey, he got a free education and a degree (he will never be like others -- changed forever) so he _hardly_ messed up.
Nick, he fell for one scam and wants to sign up for yet another.
I got my degree in philosophy and it was one of the best decisions I ever made! Employers love critical thinkers. This guy's problem goes beyond the degree. If you're a good thinker, you can make money. Period. Some of the most rich billionaires majored in philosophy and credit it for their success. He said his grandparents paid for everything in school so who knows how much he was actually paying attention, he probably just chose an easier major and partied.
What do you do for a living?
I like your approach. I'm in a similar boat with a math degree. The degree is pretty much just a label, it matters "who" holds the degree.
What is your job ? 🤔 how much do you make? I'm thinking of doing a philosophy major but every philosophy major says it's a good major but they don't say what they work in and how much they make
@@Cristian-ks3hy I also had a minor in psychology.
@@talyahr3302 So how much of your success can be attributed to the arguably more marketable psychology minor?
I have a bachelors in ministry and work at a desk in financial services for about $60k. When I started in financial services almost 9 years ago I was making $18,500. I could still go back for another degree, but I'm glad I didn't do it then. Now I have a solid background in a steady industry.
buddy got a free college degree and chose philosophy...
It’s not like you can study whatever you want in college. You won’t be allowed to take STEM courses unless you were good at math in high school.
And schools don’t have enough space for everyone in certain courses.
@@theunitedworldofworkers7274 Anything in community college would still be better
Wasted...
@@theunitedworldofworkers7274 did you go to college? Who told you you can’t take a STEM course? You can you just have to work on your math skills
@@cptfreeman8966
I’m currently a computer science major. So my math skills are pretty sharpened.
But apparently only 27% of the US population is proficient at math. So I’m not going to sit here and say that everyone should be forced to do something that doesn’t naturally fit their personality.
A lot of people wouldn’t be able to excel at Calculus and my major goes beyond to differential equations.
There's a difference between ignorant and willfully ignorant. Take note.
Software development could be an option too, which you don't really need a degree for. You can get good certifications instead in various topics that pretty much gives a starter job right away. Cloud computing and AI technology for example. Then a philosophy degree would be golden because it would help to understand abstractions and abstract concepts which are very common in CS. Liberal arts + computer science is very underrated. You need to be able to think creatively to solve hard (and lucrative) problems which you don't if you just learn a rule book in law or finance.
You can get a good job with any college degree. Better advice would be to take a Finance course at a local Community College for much cheaper than going back to a Loonaversity. Get a basic accounting certificate from a CC while working an entry level finance job.
Love his ambition, you got this Chris!
Me too. It'll be hard but he definitely has the attitude to do this
Chris,,, you ever heard of the Marines??? Give us 4 years and we’ll pay for any college you want!!!
Philip Patek Did four in the corps and now I don’t have to worry about college “money-wise” one bit. Best investment I’ve ever done. Rah
that guy would do air force or army NG. marine benefits are the shittiest.
Dude.... just take the CFA if you want yo get into finance.
This exactly.
I got a finance degree and am currently studying for the second CFA test... this isn't a bad idea. However, those tests are so freaking hard already, it would honestly be even harder with no finance or business background whatsoever. You need some base knowledge going in. Not saying it's impossible, but you would have to be incredibly smart AND incredibly diligent for 3 years, and I doubt many have the perserverance or ability to pull that off.
What is CFA?
Philosophy major taking the CFA , good luck. My husband has a bachelor in physics and biomedical engineering and struggled with the CFA. He passed level 1 and 2 and working on 3. I think this guy needs the core finance classes then he can take the CFA.
Philosophy, the use of logic in every day life , is essential .
A philosophy degree is only for those who already come from money, who have a trust fund and the philosophy degree is just to have something to your name.
Here is the thing. Of all college majors Philosophy does not qualify you for a unique set of jobs. However, what it does is that it prepares you to do almost anything and especially for people who want to go to graduate school. For example 48.5% of Philosophy majors who apply to medical school get accepted. The highest of any major surpassing Biology even. Math and Statistics are at 47%. This is because Philosophy students dominate the GREs, claiming the number 1 spot in both the analytic writing and verbal reasoning portions of the exam. Even with LSAT Philosophy majors rank number 1. The problem with this gentleman is that he seems to have no clear vision of what he wants to do. I doubt with that attitude he would succeed in business, later on anything. He has a lot to sort out.
I don't know if Bruce Lee actually said this, but in the movie of his life he was asked what can he do with his philosophy degree and his response was "think deep thoughts about being unemployed". Seems about right.
I highly respect this guy for admitting he messed up by majoring in philosophy. The most important step to becoming successful is by admitting your mistakes and being honest to yourself. It tells me that he has enough self-awareness to make it one day.
I did the same thing back in the 1970’s. Then paid cash for an MBA and got a real career.
MBA's are a dime a dozen. It's only worth it now in the 2020s if you get it from Harvard, Booth, Wharton... OR another top 10% business school.
There are so many dual degree programs that I see: PhD, MBA or MPH, MBA or MD, MBA or MSCS, MBA etc etc...
Nowadays people tackle on an MBA (or MPH) with almost any other degree. The meaning of a solo MBA is worthless.
It's disheartening that classical majors and other social science degrees get such a bad rap. It seems like our culture is getting further and further away from these kinds of studies. What needs to happen is universities need to properly coach and advise students to make wise career choices with the knowledge and skills they have acquired.
Jasmine Joseph you don’t need to go to school to learn those things though. Books are free at the library. You can still learn history and philosophy as much as you want without spending $20,000 to do so.
@@rebeccashields9626 Exactly. It's not that there is no interest in these subjects, it's just that there are better ways to learn these subjects.
@@rebeccashields9626 As someone who studies independently. I do not know many people willing to do that. You only have people on the internet to discuss things with but for the most part, having to discipline yourself to study three hours a night after work is not something most people will do.
@@rebeccashields9626, I suppose the same could be said about any major.
Finance really is 90% sales to get people to hand over their cash. Gotta be a slick confident hustler for that ish.
I swear to God if my child came to me and said she wanted a Philosophy degree i would feel i failed as a parent. Where were the parents? They shoulda told him long before he started down this path that a degree in philosophy is useless in the real world.
Some majors should be illegal to charge money for.
You can find a job that pays more than that. Go find a factory job or some sort of construction job. So many different avenues you can go that is less desirable but gets the bills paid.
I never knew why so many people major in these degrees. Example philosophy, English, social work, history , literature and music. Those degrees don't pay money . Most degrees that will pay money have to do with science and technology. For example information systems, engineering , computer science . The thing is that high paying degrees are harder to obtain . So students don't major in them . I majored in information systems and I'm making over 100,000k. I could of choose history for it being easier but in the long run I would of make less money . In my major there were barely in students . But in my school I once went to the social work department and the class rooms were crowded . A easy major doesn't always mean good money .
Because thier idiots
I’m not American but social work is a field where you definitely get a job. And you’re won’t get 100k a year but you’ll be able to live a good life doing what you wanna do. It’s Not comparable to literature or English.
Good for you!
Philosophy is not an easy major, at least not at elite schools. Take a class and then we’ll talk.
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I looked into getting an electrical engineering degree to go with my mechanical, because HR departments want the EE, but the school teaches what are basically the same classes with different course codes specifically so they can say they're not equivalencies and charge you more to take the same classes over again.
I have 3 semesters of philosophy. It's a nice addition to balance out the majors in bio, chem, and 1.5 years of college physics....
This is why I think college shouldn’t be available until 2-3 years after you graduate from High school. Enjoy life. Figure out what you really want to do. The period of 18-21 is really a stepping stone into adulthood I wouldn’t consider people of that age group 100% all the way together yet.
Yup, I didn’t fully realize what I truly wanted to pursue until I was 22. Went from a law major to Cybersecurity.
Philosophy degree, I know you studied logic, so see if you can self study code and gain access to the high paying jobs that write software and apps.
Comments hating on the guy -- by 30 he's going to have a degree in Philosophy and Finance, have experience in life, and be better suited in his prime. What was his mistake? He learned something he wanted? Those skills go a long way. If his mistake was getting a BA, l wonder what you fools say about most college students...who drop out by the way.
As a 20 year financial professional, he better learn R, Python, C++ because banks are investing hard to do away with people. The finance degrees of today are becoming worthless if the curriculum doesn’t have heavy coding and math.
Sad thing is, society and academia does need more philosophers. They're undervalued just like historians.
Which is unfortunate considering we literally need historians to record and document things.
The guy so self aware , more people should have that trait .
p.s.
Arent Trade schools offering programs in finance department ?
Hmmmmm, wonder if the ed. gave that self-awareness? and so many trashing and laughing
Bruce Lee, in an interview was asked what you can do with a philosophy degree. His response, "You can think really hard about being unemployed."
He can do something in finance without going back to school to spend money he doesn't have. Yes, your options are limited, but your own desire to do something is more powerful that what a piece of paper will tell employers.
“I don’t think therefor I’m broke” that title is crazy 😂😂🤣
What happened to the emphasis on STEM degrees? Oh, wait - those mean you have to actually do some WORK in order to graduate! Philosophy is probably like the first four years of psychology; mostly lectures and term papers, so one can come into class hung over from partying the previous night, set up the voice recorder on their iPhone, and go to sleep...
There WAS actually a time during all of the 80s and into the mid 90s where one could actually land a $40K-$50K starting salary in a middle management position with such degrees as Philosophy, Psychology, Liberal Arts, Marketing, and lest we forget, Gender Studies, as well as quite a few other majors where one could do a lot of partying, and still come out with a degree... Companies then didn't care WHAT you majored in for certain positions, just so long as you had a degree, and were promotable... All that came to an end in about 1996 when companies started realizing that "there were far too many chiefs and not enough indians", and started the downsizing trend... Colleges however, failed to recognize then, and especially - still continue to fail to recognize now that these worthless "Mickey Mouse Majors" will NOT merit a grad a decent paying job anywhere...
I don't think you know anything at all about Philosophy!!!
@Drinker_Of_ Milk - Really? If that's the case, then how come the ones I know work at low end jobs? Oh, wait... They probably weren't related to someone high up in order to get their foot in the door... Wake up, whacko!
@@Jhihmoac It's possible that they don't prioritise money.
This guy is a prank caller I swear , I'm pretty sure he's the guy who said he got cut from West point the day before graduation
Philosophers shouldn't care about Money.Only knowledge matters😂
A philosophy degree is useless by itself, but he could have used it to get into Peace Corps which in turn leads to networking opportunities and a chance to get a master's degree at a good school at reduced tuition. I parlayed a relatively worthless political science degree from the University of Iowa into Peace Corps and a full ride at the University of Michigan for their master's of public policy program.
It's called working. My wife worked three jobs while going to school fulltime. Later, we both got our master's degrees, going to school part-time while working fulltime. It can be done.
What do you work now?
He should go to community college and transfer the credits to the big university it will get him the same degree
This is what he should do. Get a better job first, even if it means just $15/hr. He then goes to the closest Community College and takes the majority of his finance classes there; afterwards, he takes the remaining classes for a Bachelors at a University. He has much less debt this way.
I have a Business and a Media and Communication Degree. I hope I made a good decision. If not I am at least from a country with no tuition fees.
I have a Bachelor's in Finance from UNLV. Before you can apply to the Business school (and start your Junior year), you have to complete: 2 accounting classes, 3 economics classes, 1 advanced math course, English 102, Communications 101, and 1 computer proficiency course. I could see his Philosophy degree fulfilling the communications, English, and maybe the computer requirements but probably not anything else. Plus it would take at least 2 semesters to complete these requirements as you have to complete Accounting 201 before you can take Accounting 202, etc.
Therefore, it would take him at least 3 years to get his Finance degree. 1 year for all the prereqs plus 2 years of actual Business school.
go to business school, get a master's degree.
Exactly, he can get an MBA in about the same amount of time
@Brandon Juber true. good luck bro. keep it up
@Brandon Juber what do you do now and how was it?
What is the difference between working in philosophy and McDonald's. They pay the same but McDonald's gives you more hours.
Actually i think philosophy translates well into computer science, especially if this guy took alot of symbolic logic classes. Symbolic logic teaches you to think logically which is important for discrete math and logical programming
This is why gap years are important, in fact, I believe young people should wait 2-3 years after HS to go to college. You get life experience and you appreciate your education more than someone who went directly into college.
Be a restaurant server! On a good night you can make like $200/$300! It's not the most glamorous job no degree required
This is why teachers shouldn't force children to get a degree right out of highschool at 18. I'm pretty sure the human brain isn't even fully developed until your mid-20's
Oh this is me. I am beginning to believe this is a little common in millennials. Many of us were raised to believe that if you follow your dreams then the money will follow but this isn't ALWAYS the case.
To be fair this isn’t just millennials. I’m a millennial and majored in business, while my mom (boomed) got an English degree and masters in library science, both at private schools. I don’t know anyone with an English degree my age.
I double majored in political science and sociology and had a minor in ethics (philosophy). I think folks just need to be more creative - I have worked in AmeriCorps, a political PAC, and now a research think-tank. you can use the degree, you just have to be open minded and creative
Me- reads title*
“Oh yah this is gonna be a good one”
Whoa, Delaware was mentioned
Go get a job working at a bank as a teller. Go to school part-time in finance classes only. Get an MBA. Work up the ladder at the bank. Don’t borrow more money once you have the degree.
Kid will see a big change in income once he gets that finance major.
I think he can turn this around without going back to school. Philosophy isn't an easy degree to earn, it's just useless if you don't know how to market yourself and apply the skills. He'll end up in the same basket in 2 years if he doesn't get some hustle to him, but this time he'll just have 2 degrees instead of 1.
well you'd think that with that major the upper tiers of a company might have a place for a philosophy major, in theory. A position as like an advisor to a ceo.. HR even, or other forms of upper management. At least you think they'd teach philosophy in such a way that they'd tell you where it can be applied productively irl.
business majors are better suited for those positions. business core requires courses in accounting, marketing, IT, finance, and organizational behavior, all attributes highly valued and relevant to assisting management. philosophy major doesnt take any of these courses.
@@oldtwinsna8347 I kinda disagree.. If you'd met many upper tier people, they tend to disconnect themselves from all of that... and in freeing their minds from what's on the ground in a company, they are constantly trying to refine or cultivate a greater objective framework of some kind.. I've had hours and hours of meetings that where it was obvious that this was the case as well...
@@uniquename846 Just saying that a business major will be much better prepared to do those kinds of jobs since they take actual coursework focusing on business operations.
I’m a junior manager at a fast food restraunt and make $25,000 a year. I make $5,000 more than someone who put in blood sweat and tears for 4+ years at university. And it only took me 6 months to get this position as a regular employee. Man, that sucks.
God, I'm so glad I'm going into a STEM field.
Got paid to get my cdl make 90k year.... 🤣 then again i saw my parents struggle for years dairy farming i still dont know what i want to be when i grow up and im 30😉
I majored in political science (which is a pretty useless degree) and I make 40k with my first job out of college. I am also 25 yrs old. Still not great but he could do better.
i have a CDL and drive local home daily milk tanker doing bulk farm pickup. i work 7 days a week often..... i will make over 65K
There’s a recent Berkeley grad and Michigan grad working at my local big box retailer. One girl works returns desk the other works the sales floor. Both have liberal arts degrees and hope for careers in community organizing. They say they are professional protestors.
Why does dave always get numbers wrong? The caller says hes been out of school for 3 years and then dave says 2. He does that in practicaly every call! Does he not listen? Not care?
Finance Law, Business Law
Logic, Philosophy of Law, and Social Political Philosophy are good for that.
I have a philosophical question, if you spend four years studying philosophy instead of something that pays your bills, is it gonna be worth it?
He should get a temp role or something at a financial company, such as a bank and work himself up. I don’t think he needs another degree to go into finance.
I’m a high school drop out and make $60,000. Doing hard manual labor
@Sebastian Fursov , why should he? Plain labor is no shame.
@@valuecalc Its not but its rough when your 60
speaking as someone in undergrad, the first 2 years of university are absolutely not cut and paste and 1 year is generous