Stop Searching for an UL Pot - The Fire Maple Petrel G3 UL Pot!
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- I love putting together UL cook kits, and this pot MAY just be the key to my newest edition. Let me know what you guys think!
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I had to pause the video at 9:55 to correct you. The pot sits directly on the stove's pot stand for both the titanium pot and the heat exchanger pot. The distance from flame to pot is exactly the same. The DIFFERENCE is that the heat exchanger surrounds the flame capturing heat that otherwise might flow up the outside of the pot and be wasted.
Was just thinking the same.
Truth.
Hey Ernie! Up until this year, I have relished the quietness of my alcohol burner with a wood backup. Needless to say, on 4 day, 5 day or longer trips, that means a lot of fuel if I want to try to stay soot free!! This year I have paired this pot with the Fire Maple Titanium Hornet and it has been unbelievably fast to boil, light in the backpack, and uses very little fuel per boil!! Great products !! This goes with me everywhere now but I still love an overnighter with a Super quiet alcohol stove ! Thanks for your review !
I have not yet tried my Fire Maple 600 ml pot, but my Toaks lid fits.
And its 10 grams lighter than the lid that comes with it 😉, thats what i use instead
What size Toaks lid, please?
Teh 750ML lid?
@@RobBremner the lids for both my Toaks 550 and 750 fit the Fire Maple just fine.
@@Slow_poke_hiker lids from both the Toaks 750ml and the 550ml pots fit my Fire Maple pot.
I'm not a gram weenie, plus my stove has 4 arms, not 3, so it wouldnt help me any. Plus im not outdoors to hurry up. I want to relax and take my time
Hikers/back packers are a different breed than campers/bushcrafters, everything to them is about weight. I just watch these channels for gear reviews, but I am like you, I like to relax and enjoy the woods
I love the clear lids. I can see if the water is boiling without taking off a metal lid!!!!
It's key with this pot because it starts boiling so quickly paired with the right stove. I use the fire Maple Polaris on as low a heat setting as I can go and it still only takes about 1min 30sec.
Referencing the original Star Trek movie, what we need is the “clear aluminum” Scotty mentioned after the crew returned to 20th century earth in search of a whale.
@@allendevans Haha! Love StarTrek references (maybe I spend too much time in my basement on the internet!).
Brs 3000 does not fit. Angeled stand
The pot stand legs are TANGENTAL, tweek just the platform part of the legs so that they are RADIAL to fit.
Throw the BRS 3000 in the bin its garbage full stop, bends, twists, which makes pot support unstable,,...
I want to see how it works on an alcohol stove with wind screen (reflector). Seems like their may be more gains to be had on the alcohol side.
Works excellent. Can get a boil even with a simmer ring. Got an olliecamp xts that's almost exactly like this.
Yes please do come up with a lightweight camping set.
I would worry that the brs stove would overheat as it overheats with standard pots. Brs stoves are inefficient so IMHO would lose the advantage of the heat exchanger. There are lots of low cost stoves that have better performance than the brs.
Don't think the bra stoves fit anyway. The legs are angled wrong.
I bought this about a week ago, for £18.00, bargain. I mainly use my Trangia alcohol stove, so wasnt sure the heat exchanger would make much difference, but it does. About 75 seconds quicker. With my cheapo gas stove, very impressive. 👍🏻
Thanks Doctor Ernie for presenting another tempting boiler pot…😊!
I would like to see your video on your home made lightweight cooking set-up.
Have a great day
I have been using the MSR Alpine 2 Pot set which contains a 1.5L, 2.0L, Fry pan/ plate lid, with a nesting 1.0L teapot. They are bomb proof and have served me very well over many years.
Fire Maple also makes a non slotted bottom heat exchanger pot that is 1l liter capacity. Will work with any type of small stove. Can be found on Amazon as well for $30. Since I have a Soto Wndmaster with the 4 flex pot holder so I would probably just go with that one rather than the petrel. I have the Toaks 1100 pot with the bail handle and love it so the heat exchanger pots may just be on my wish list for a while yet.
This is for those wanting a lighter, more compact system, there are plenty of larger, bulkier, heavier pots already. Your comment is completely irrelevant.
@@farmermark2067 SOTO Windmaster triflex is minimal cost and is a bit lighter than 4 flex. Makes a good secure fit with the triflex and Petrel pot.
People may have heard of the lid sticking issue which happens only as the water reaches boiling point. My solution has been to purchase one of the wire drip clips that helps the water pour more accurately when making drip coffee (Ali express) this stops the lid from jamming, alternatively wait a few seconds and the lid will then be loose enough to remove it.
A paper clip would do the same thing but wouldn’t help with pouring the water.
I have this pot and the biggest advantage is in normal moderate winds encountered outside. Don't need a windscreen at moderate wind speeds. Allows for cheap three pronged stoves (not BRS, it doesn't fit). It's Al, so a bit heavier than Ti, but Al has almost an order of magnitude higher thermal conductivity than Ti, so simply much more efficient at heating.
Have one and love it. This is 800 ml to the brim and a toaks is 750 to the brim, so the petrel pot has a 50ml volume advantage over toaks 750, ignore the stated 600ml it is plenty big enough. It retains so much of the heat within the HE it virtually does not let the heat spew out from under the pot. Brilliant thing. BRS, Nope unless you force the legs bent to fit it. Nice review👍🏼
I was about to write this too. It is actually 800ml.
I’ve got this pot, paired with the SOTO wind master and tri flex pot stand, it’s as good as/better than my jet boil minimo! And 2/3 of the price!
I bought this to pair with my Svea 123. It is perfect!
You can use the fire maple hornet 2, fire maple buzz, fire maple polaris and the Soto windmaster triflex with it.
I liked it so much, I bought another. One for my wife and one for me.
I like the lid as I can see through it but it sticks when boiling.600ml is just right for me for dehydrated food. I use it with a fire maple hornet, an msr spork, cloth, gas can and I also included an Optimus clip on windscreen.
Dittos on the sticking part!! I try to crack the lid open a hare when it gets close to boiling but it is usually stuck by then anyways. Just going to need 2 hands any way I look at it. I have gotten to a point where I just leave the lid on since it is easy to tell when you've reached a boil without peeking. I have not tried pouring through the vent when the lid is stuck on to see if it falls off once you start pouring. Time will tell but I have adapted..........
@@hike-bike-paddle-and-drone I leave it on at a slant.
Of course you should! We'd love to see how this fits into an ultimate cook kit. You could even boil water, while we watch.
I have the Petrel G3 pot, and I must say it is even better in a real live setting, compared to my old titanium 500ml pot. Best ultra light camping gear I bought this year :)
My experience also. 👍🏻
Looks like a good niche product. Enjoy your content
Ernie, I was just surfing on Amazon and saw a new and different type of alcohol stove that I would love to see you review. It is from the company Mtaigdiec. (no that is not misspelled) They call it their premium adjustable camping stove. It is a pressurized alcohol stove with a coil burner. Hope to see you do a video on it soon.
I have one and used it last time I went camping. I paired it with a Soto Windmaster and was surprised just how fast it boiled a mug of water. I managed to get the following inside the mug in the following order; gas canister upside down, 10" square microfibre towel folded to a third in size, soto windmaster triangular pot support first then the stove across it at right angles, 2" round piece of scourer sponge, bic mini lighter and finally a folding titanium spoon. On top of the lid of the pot a sea to summit folding mug fits perfectly upside down and between the pot and the mesh bag there is room for tea bags, coffee bags and hot chocolate sachets. Incredible bit of kit.
It actually has more volume than advertised. Works great with Windmaster. I have this and the TOAKS 750. TOAKS lid fits very well on it, if that helps. Especially because the lid will "stick" closed once water boils, which is dangerous (and no doubt will lead to spills and burns). So yeah, lid no-so-good. But it's very sturdy with the notches.
30 seconds on a month long trip with 3 hot meals adds up, not to mention the extra fuel that I don't need to carry. $20 vs 30 seconds * 3 times a day for 30 days (45 minutes back, can't make more time).
Been using a similar pot, an Olliecamp XTS, for a couple of years now. Wasnt big on the idea of anodized aluminum but there is not any chipping to this day. I use a UCO double ended plastic spoon. Not big on the idea of plastic but it still looks brand new after hundreds of uses. Used it with both of the main fuel stove types, but I prefer Trangia with the yellow Heet. Its very affordable because I'm using maybe 1/3 less fuel with the cookpot. It doesnt take as long to reach a boil and can do so with a diy soda can top simmer ring. It maintains heat for long enough to remove from the burner and let a soup or etc finish cooking the last couple of minutes. Havent gotten around to making a pot cozy mostly because it hasn't seemed necessary. It's very lightweight, light enough to carry in a pack and end up usually with a baseweight of around 10-12 lbs.
Thanks a lot for your amazing videos over the last years. Watching from Germany.
I’m using the firemapel pod for a few weeks now (more than 50€ with taxes in Gemany). I love this pod over your pro, because it‘s so stable on top of my Soto Windmaster with triflex pod stand.
Ernie I love the stuff that you do! But don't look down on the stash pot! It has higher capacity at 800ml and weighs 0.5 oz less! Stash pot is wider aswell which helps with heat transfer. The stash burner is 2oz and very fuel efficient. For 1 oz more i can switch the burner to soto windmaster for some wind resistance, since we know that the stash burner ain't doing a THING in the wind. 800 ml capacity is enough for a rehydrated meal and a cup of coffee or tea!
Yeah sure the stash costs much more than the petrel pot. I was lucky with buying the system second hand for 35 euros (roughly the same in dollars). Don't skip out on second hand stuff!
Have used my jetboil since i got it nearly 20 years ago (🤔?) It changed my life. But! It wasn't quite perfect, it saved me big time on gas( i cut the amount needed for a 2wk trop by 40-50%). But this new firemaple pot looks like it might just solve some of my issues with the jetboil.
Great recommendation with explanations
Only works with perpendicular 3 pronged stoves. It doesn't really work with angled 3 prong stoves like the BRS or Blade II. Did you force your BRS on? Haha!
Is it multi fuel capable, any versatility? How much weight does the heat exchanger add to the pot? Titanium available? Is 600ml enough? How does the heat exchanger work outside, compared to a simple wind screen? When I use it, will it make me look sexy, young and rich? Thanks for sharing this…from east Tennessee.
I’m curious to see what sort of difference it makes when paired with an alcohol stove like the fancy feast stove.
Yes, I had got a Jetboil several years ago thinking it would be my everything stove for hiking. Due to the JB weight, I’ve been for a couple of years now using a BRS 3000t stove a Toaks 750ml Titanium cup. I could get lighter, but right now I like this set up.
I just don't see the magic in these heat exchanger pots. Granted that this one is not expensive, but it is small and I'd have to buy another stove with only three supports. Not the end of the world, just an irritation.
BRS have now brought out a 0.5 L Jet Boil type cooker, the BRS 61.
Your Videos Are Always Very Informative Doc,Much Appreciated 👍
For the "ultimate" backpacking cook kit, consider also reviewing the Fire Maple Green Peak stove. It's small enough, and I wonder if it fits under the pot even more securely.
Looks very useful as a UL. Turning 61 shortly, sticking closer to camp and slow cooking in cast iron. But have always enjoyed your content Sir.
Doc, go for it! Please make a kit for this pot. I’m interested in what you can come up with. This seems like just the right pot for a little day hike kit, small and lightweight.
I’ve had the Petrel pot four months, no problems with the clear lid. I use it with the Fire Maple GreenPeak stove ($20) no longer available from Amazon. Love this combination and it works for me. Will need auxiliary windscreen in over 8mph wind. FYI, fist California banned alcohol stoves now they are going to ban isobutane canisters starting in 2028.
Ouch, so now what do we use? My antique Svea still works, but it's SO dang Heavy
California is considering a ban on single-use propane cylinders. Isobutane is NOT under consideration for a ban.
@@CarlTyler-c7g Tyvm!
I have the almost identical earlier Firemaple HX pot (- without the stand cutouts, but my BRS 3000 fits inside); works great even with a bioethanol stove, boils the water very, very efficiently, highly recommended, I rate it as being far superior to my titanium pots in terms of heating efficiency.
Curious if an alcohol stove would work with this pot positioned say 1.5 inches below the main body of the base?
I like the price, and I like that it works with any stove. You save the community tons of fuel by doing the comparison for the rest of us. Anything I bought from Fire maple has always been top shelf
Another great video sir
BRS isn't as efficient as pocket rocket for fuel use. Sure, try and make an ultra light cook kit.
2 points.
1. Lofi.... is this a potential accidental leak of a Lofi titanium biomass stove review?
2. Repeat with wind test.
Its hard to know which tri-legged stoves work with it or not
The legs need to be pointing out directly from the center, so for example the BRS is not a good fit.
I am using it with an original MSR Pocket Rocket, and this stove works great with this pot.
Future ultimate cook kit update? Yes! My titanium cook kits all have a coozy (some integrated into the stuff sack) with the idea to use it as an insulated mug. Not sure that makes sense with this pot. I’ve also added a separate mug to most kits, nesting inside or outside the pot. If I need to carry the canister elsewhere so be it. If you make your ultimate lightweight canister cook kit, the insulated cup functionality should considered.
Thanks for the video. I'll stick with my 1.1L GSI SS pot. Metal lid.
Yes Ernie make it a light jet boil. But also make it with the pocket rocket deluxe for those that have it and the Soto stove. Thanks sir. I have heard the volume is more than the 600ml that are listed is this true. If you pour a 700 ml in the pot does it fill to a similar spot in the pot. Again thanks.
Thanks, but aluminum pot is not for me. I'll take it if it's heat exchanger only.
I like the low volume just because 1L or bigger heat exchanger pots are a dime a dozen. Small ones are very rare.
I’d worry that the stove arms getting caught on the pot as i lift it off.
The lid will stick once its boiling. Some ppl report one of the slots is partly obstructed by the heat exchanger fins. Otherwise i like it.
Cool pot. Only downside for me is that it really needs one of those three arm style stoves, which I don't have or use. If I ever get one, this pot would be on the list of possibles though. Thanks
The "mesh case" probably doubles as a pot scrubber, a la Snow Peak's Trek pots.
I have been Eyeballing that Fire Maple Pot, Thank you for the info.
After re watching the Ohuhu stove review I ordered one it came today. This pot pot will fit the stove It will be interesting to see how they work together?
I have the Sterno heat exchanger pot n kit from the late 80s. Works great..
You reviewed a double wall titanium cup a week or so ago….. does it nest with this?
I don't care how long it takes to boil water but it's nice to save some fuel.
If it is not Titanium i'm not buying it. Put that technology into a Titanium pot, with a metal lid and your golden
Cracking pot especially if you get it in the kit with stove Ti spoon and flint and steel about £49 at outdoor gear essentials in UK nice viddy 👌
I have had this set up for about 6 months now and I'm happy with it. works for me,
😊❤ Thank you, always enjoy your videos!!!
It works super fast with the Fire Maple Green Peak or Polaris stove!
Seeing it in percent % the results are even more impressive. Thank you!
Good review, thanks for sharing, YAH bless !
Using an alcohol stove may be worth a look. Something smaller than a trangia maybe
The best lightweight system I have is by speedster stoves in the UK or get a caldera cone type. A guy called stripey hat on YT and insta makes a very good version.
Won't be much use if you are in the US though. Of the trangia, a triangle or the mini or micro are all good but May need supplementary foil windscreens.
The trouble is the cut outs in the base of the petrel. They don't really work with other stoves. Fire maple do other HX pots though. I've used one with all the stoves I've mentioned. It is a bigger pot though.
Been using the TOMSHOO titanium alcohol stove with foldable pot supports with this during the cold months. Works great!
How much heavier is this pot than the non heat exchanger equivalent (or nearest equivalent).
Knowing that, its possible to work out the number of boils required to justify carrying the extra weight.(Time to boil isn't important to me)
@@iwalker3809 toaks 750mL is 103.6g with cover 85.6g without. Stanley stainless steel pot that comes with two small cups is 213.2g with cover and no cups and 181.8g without cover and without cups. Petrel is 165.9g with cover and 137.3g without cover
@@qtbearqt Thanks
Is 600ml the usable volume or total volume?
Its better to put the gas inside the pot upside down, it gives you a bit more space 😉
To put this in another perspective. The fire Maple weighs 162 grams. The toaks pot weighs 103 g. So you are carrying an extra 60 G to save 2 G of fuel. So that is 30 boils, before you hit the break-even point
Its not if its windy, the Petrel pot winds by miles 🖐
Only if you calculate based on pure fuel use.
The Coleman Extreme C100 canisters weigh 175g all-up with 100g of that being fuel. Using 6g of per boil instead of 8 (25% saving) means I can get 16 boils out of one, rather than 12.
Which means for 30 boils I only need 2 canisters not 3 giving a net saving of 110g *AND* I get the volume of a can back in the pack.
@@cabe_bedlamwould it be more weight efficient to take a single 220g (of gas) cannister.
And don't forget the comparision here was between a 600ml FireMaple and the 750ml toaks - the toaks 650 weights even less, including lid only 80g, means half of the fire maple, so you carry even 82g extra what is 41 boils for break even.
@@bangalorebobbel My Toaks 700 lite comes in at 61g without lid (after watching GearSkeptic vids re lids on fairly narrow pots, my Toaks lid stays at home)
toss in a couple instant coffee sticks and it's complete
MSR started out with a brass heat exchanger that clamped to the outside of the pot.
I've still got and use one of these.
Bulky/heavy, but great for family trips and works a treat.
It was gold anodized aluminum with a stainless steel band made from the remnants of a strip from which some stainless stove parts were punched. I worked at REI when these came out in the 1980s.
@@danielkutcher5704 I had one but I couldn't remember what it was made out of, but I remembered the color and that it was heavy (due to the steel band, I assume).
As a pale, old hiker, I approve this message! 😊
Was excited until I found out it was aluminum.
Will this or some other firemaple pot fit a jetboil burner?
What are you waiting for? Make the ulta light kit!
With the wind master you will get a boil in less than 2 minutes
Not saying anything pro or con about the pot you're looking at, so get that out of the way up front. I'm not sure the comparison between the two pots and boil times is completely apples to apples, and not a little bit apples to oranges. Since one pot is 600ml, and the other pot is 750ml, there is quite possibly a difference in the size of the two pots (mainly diameter) that might affect the boil times, since it might affect how much water is actually in contact with that hot spot on the bottom of the pot where the heat is applied. Also, since one new pot is made of aluminum and the larger pot is titanium, we know that aluminum has a better heat retention than titanium, so the air around the pot that is touching the larger pot will be drawing heat from the pot, and possibly slowing down the boil time.
The only way to really make the comparisons apples to apples is to use the same size pots, made out of the same materials. I have no idea what pots you'd want to use, but otherwise the results just aren't going to be quite as comparable as you're thinking they are.
I Find this alot on boil test times with my own stove/pot comparison's at home,. I never get the fantastic results here on you tube,. Not just this channel neither,,,...???
I have this pot and use it regularly with a SOTO Windmaster with triflex, it boils two cups of water in about 1:30.
My concern with HE pots is they seem to make a lot of carbon monoxide in my limited testing.
Why is this? Why would more carbon monoxide be produced?
How are you observing this, being that CO is odorless and colorless?
@@IAMSatisfied Two carbon monoxide monitors
I have observed this with different HE pots and stove combinations. I was trying out stoves in a well ventilated room and my CO monitors showed high readings and alarm went off.
When using the same stoves with regular pots virtually zero CO was detected. If using HE pots outside and of course that’s where they should be used there shouldn’t be an issue but even in a tent vestibule with only minimal ventilation I would have concerns. I’m not a scientist nor have I done any serious testing it’s only my personal experience/findings but I thought I would put out there as it could be a safety issue in certain circumstances.
@@ddff5242 No idea, just what I have observed.
Yes we need a heads up ultralight diy video
Would love to see an ultra light cook set up.
Very thoughtful review..
Yes please! Try the Toaks lid.
DO ... IT ... DO ... IT ... DO ... IT😊
Build the ultimate jetboil.
Would love to see a cook kit video.
Fire Maple, please make a four-slot version!!!!
@@RobBremner There are pots made by Widesea that don’t have slots and work very well with any pot arm configuration. Anodised aluminium as is the Fire Maple. 1.3 and 2.3 litre sizes.
@@SnowyAspenHills I have a 1.3 one, the pot is actually 0.8 L, the lid/pot 0.5, use it with a Toaks syphon alcohol burner with an aluminium mug that I've drilled airholes in for a stand, and the lid off my Toaks 1l titanium pot. The FM 0.6L with 4 slots should work great with both the alcohol burner and my Amicus stove.
@@RobBremner Would be handy to have a Petrel pot that works with the Amicus, a god combination. I used my Amicus with the smaller Widesea before I got the Petrel.
I am not really into cooking with aluminum. If it was titanium, then I would be a little more interested. It is a nice design, though.
Anodised aluminium, best pot material there is. You wouldn’t be disappointed with this pot.
He said “suck”. lol
Yes, we should! 😊
Great review, Ernie.
Go For It Doc
$25.99 on Amazon less than 10 minutes after video uploaded. 😮 Still a good product, just not as cheap as Ernie got it.
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Thanks Doc!
Good review