Gotta say, didnt think id start my morning off seeing you in some hot topic fishnet looking gear. I think you pushed me to give it a try, but im leaving the dark eyeliner at home.
Dark eyeliner reduces glare from the snow and increases your perceived threat level to bears. Studded collars and belts also make you a less appealing meal for a bear or mountain lion. Large baggy pants have more storage options while skinny jeans make you more aerodynamic.
My son served a year in the Norwegian Air Force as a guard for the F-35 squadron. They would do several days training out in the deep woods in -20c temps. They used Brynje wool net base layers. My wife, his mother, used wool net back in the 80’s as a Red Cross volunteer out in -40 temps. It works. It has for ages. Use it.
I still have my fishnet underwear from when I worked in the bush in the 1970s to 1980s. I remember my Father wearing it in the 1950s and 60s. It was very popular with outdoor workers in Canada until aggressive marketing of fake moisture control fabrics like Gortex, killed it.
The mesh should do a nice job of making pockets of air for insulation, kinda like bubble wrap. If not covered it could help with cooling, better that a solid fabric.
I've used these for a little bit in the military. It's tough get things to breath under plates while moving through mountains but this has helped a ton.
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Yeap, used to be a standard issue in the Finnish army. It’s been a while, maybe they still use it.
Yup. I don't mind layering. It's that "get it off me" feeling from the skin being unable to breathe that constantly makes me uncomfortable. That feeling is always there.
In Scotland this was commonly known as the "String vest" made from cotton and worn daily under every day garments up to about the 1980- 1990's, as the functionality of it has been lost amongst the "Unfashionable" trend these days.
Having just switched over this week I can say I am impressed. Picked up a very basic polyester long sleeved fishnet top for around $20. Using only that as a base layer, 1/4 zip waffletop, and a Goretex shell I went on a 10 mile hump (20°F) with a 25lb pack to prove them wrong, but it performed flawlessly. Never before have I gone on a hike (with a pack) and have my back feel completely dry. The ability to move moisture and thereby regulating temperature is a trip, literally. 😁🤘😎
Started using Brynje mesh shirts for mt biking a bit over a year ago. Absolutely love 'em. The warmth is there when its cold, but they also stay comfy even when its warmer temps (50-60F). Great for the 'cool' weather, as I describe it acting as temperature moderation. I may be a bit warm on the climbs, even with outer layers venting, but when I stop or get to the top, I don't have the wet, clammy, and clingy base layer chilling me down. Which is even more noticeable when you start going back down right away; close up the outer layers and I may be a bit cool, but not being chilled is wonderful.
Another MTBer here and I swear by these layers. To me, they aren't subjectively any warmer than other base layers at rest, but I stay so much drier that the warmth gain is fantastic. I wonder if this is a part of the 4-6 times warmer claim by Brynje. I usually ride with a very light summer layer over the mesh.
Never had that problem with just wool - wool stays warm when it's wet ... I never noticed how soaked with sweat I was till I got home and stripped everything off lol
I didnt realise this wasnt a think in hiking/backpacking already - I came from the cycling world and they have always been commonplace from all the main manufacturers and used by all the cycling teams. A mesh base layer can also keep you cooler in the summer. Becauase I already had them from cycling for the last 15 years, when I started hiking I just used them automatically.
The setup you have with the freezer is super duper awesome. I would really like to see dry and wet cotton and dry and wet wool in similar weight compared.
I’ve been using mesh base layers from Rapha and Craft for over 15 years for cycling in hot and cold months and love how much more quickly they dry, allowing the mid layer to better insulate. Rapha makes a merino mesh baselayer that is great. The synthetics work really well too and don’t stink which I think is due to how quickly they dry and less material for bacteria to grow.
This takes me back to my Alberta winters in the 1980's. I would wear a cotton fishnet underlayer (next to skin), then a wool midlayer. The fishnet would wick moisture from the skin, to be held in the wool layer. Putting a downfill parka on top, and I was good to -40.
I started using this last year - it’s an amazing layer that I’ve grown to love. It performs excellently under a breathable layer like a windbreaker - don’t choke it off under a rain jacket.
Brynje made the PE version really hydrophobic. So even under a raincoat, it should still be warmer as it let the sweat bead up and run off and maintain air pockets around you.
@@jnrfalconrespectfully disagree. Rain coat (any of the Goretex or similar) will not move moisture fast enough for a high sweat situation and eventually will get cold. Any mid layers will also wet out, same cold result for those who sweat a lot like myself.
They have each their use. Wool is for low level activity, like hiking. Polypropylene is for high level, like running and biking. You wash the polypropylene immediately after the activity, then you will have no problems with oder. I have polypropylene shirts that are more than 15 years old and with no oder. The merino you just hang up to dry. I never wash those....
Near the end of Sept and into Oct I hiked from flagstaff Arizona to the Grand Canyon. Spent a few days before going down and after coming up, camping at the south rim. I then hiked back to flagstaff. It was 104f at the bottom of the canyon. When hiking to and from the canyon most miles are exposed to the sun. It was 85F + most of the time during the day. I wore a cheap mesh base layer with a button 30 spf long sleeve hiking shirt overtop. For the most part the hiking shirt was unbuttoned and opened up a little at the front. Any breeze and you could feel the evaporation off your body which had a cooling effect. When I stopped hiking for the day I hung the hiking shirt up to dry and just wore the mesh layer. To go to sleep I put a tshirt overtop of the mesh layer and had a light sleeping bag. I was very happy with how the mesh layer worked both during the day and for night time.
i had a short sleeve poly fishnet top with solid shoulders to accommodate shoulder straps around 1990 from LL Bean. I found it great for winter hiking by just unbuttoning my dress weight wool shirt to vent. I no longer have the fishnet, but I still often were a button up shirt so I can vent my torso by using the buttons. Glad they are back!
I like your scientific approach and appreciate the time it must take to do the tests. Fifty years ago (I’m 75) I remember using cotton mesh t shirts when hiking (there was no alternative fabrics available) and it kind of worked, but now I’ll give these new stuff a try.
I recently bought the Marino wool version. So far absolutely loving it. I’m usually a fan of a big jumper/fleece mid layer but enjoying just going mesh base layer, t shirt and windproof outer in the colder weather. Also finding that when I do sweat it’s not transferring onto my other layers the same. Which is another added bonus.
Did some experimenting as a conscript back in 94. The mesh layer definitely feelt dry quicker, but the advantage was somewhat offset by the way it worked into your skin where you where carrying weight
Love that you finally made a video about the mesh base layers. I've only used my Brynje layers once this winter, but I was SO impressed. Just a nice windbreaker and the mesh and I was good going up steep inclines around 20F on average. Didn't overheat, and even if I did, all I had to do was open up my windbreaker and INSTANTLY cool off.
I am a Norwegian and have been using Brynje mesh layers for more than 30 years. Nothing beats it. Use it with a thin wool layer over it on colder days.
I was in Svalbard this past summer on a hiking trip. And our guide had the exact setup, Brynje mesh with Keb on top. Though it wasn't that cold, about 40F. I had another regular base layer on top of my mesh and I was slightly too warm.
I love all videos MyLifeOutdoors does. Thanks for sharing the information you have, the information you learn, and your love of what you do. I only wish someone, or you, would make a video where the gear did not cost so much but it would last. As someone who is just trying to get into the hobby of backpacking, camping, and hiking I am not going to spend $200+ on a backpack, sleeping pad, sleeping bag, etc. The shirt for this video, it is mostly holes, but costs $70. That is 30% less than the last time I looked when it was $100 but still that seems outrageous for a shirt.
Started using this specific one (choose poly instead of the wool one because it will dry MUCH faster and be much tougher) and it outperformed every base layer i have ever used in my life! LOVE IT!
@@chriskoohk You start to small/stink later to much later when using a good quality mesh layer compared with most other types of base layers, as your sweat evaporates so fast, that bacteria don't thrive as well as they do when other base layers are used. Bacteria growth very much depend on enough moisture. The only type of base layer that in my experience compete with a good quality mesh layer when it comes to odor, is the ones with silver used for anti bacterial effect. The best solution for odor would be a mesh layer with silver used in the fabric and I know of one brand that makes that and that is Svala from Finland, but I have not tested it. Personally I use Brynje from Norway as was tested here and have done so for as long as I can remember and I am 57 years now. Now and then have I tested new products that have claimed that they have been the best base layers ever, and every single time have they been worse to MUCH worse.
I bought the Brynje base layer leggings in merino, and I love how well they work for me. I'm not sure if it's an issue with the synthetic version, but I did notice a potential to rip if you pull to hard on them, but it's also not too hard to fix. I really appreciate the added modesty panels, as well as the shoulder panels on the shirts to protect you from chaffing from your backpack straps. Really hoping to buy one of their shirts and maybe trying the socks, too, when I can afford it.
I've used Brynje (and similar) mesh layers since the seventies. Excellent performance, but it's also a specialized garment. If you know it will be cold enough for layering all the time then it's hard to beat, but if it gets warm enough so you can walk around without an outer layer then non-mesh shirt works better.
Mate i really appreciate how you linked me throughout from video to video with ease as I came off tiktok to watch this and then followed the link at the end. I had no interest in this topic or hiking but I’ve developed an interest in understanding layering now. However I feel you have an opportunity to do a layering video again with this new knowledge and reading the comments there were an abundance of tips and insight. I admire the production and dedication to research, it seems thorough and well thought out
I bought the merino version last year and have been using it as a base layer for winter mountain biking and fat tire biking. It feels weird against the skin at first, but you get used to it. And definitely seems to keep me warner, less sweaty base layer.
If you've ever used a waffle weave baselayer like the old Patagonia thermal weights, you get why this makes sense. Waffle weave is basically just a mesh inner layer combined with a thin knit outer layer.
My Brynje wool mesh base is amazing, I have worn it alone at 0c/32F hiking just to not overheat, really helps manage body temperature and dampness. It is my go to winter base layer and stays smelling good much longer than anything else.
Loved your test even though it just reinforced something I have experienced first hand my whole adult life. Your freezer and moisture test was really interesting. Brynje mesh has been standard issue in the Norwegian army for at least 40 years. Surviving arctic warfare is mainly about constantly adjusting clothing and secondly about dodging enemy fire.
Hi Steven, Antuan from the classic. It was great to meet you in the Fjallraven classic. Looking forward to your content and wishing you continued success!
I just got the Ortovox Merino Thermovent and was stunned that it's half mesh. I was about to return it, but then your video popped up. I may rethink the return.....
I'm an intermediate crocheter and this look fairly easy to make at home. If anyone happens to have any advice do let me know! I'll update with progress.
@@percyfaith11 Synthetic is great when it is spun into a precise airy structure made for outdoor wear, but synthetic yarn made for crochet will not at all have the required structure to trap air and wick moisture.
Swedish military used mesh decades ago, I used it over 20 yrs ago under my motocross gear. Another thing I find extremely comfortable and warm is a lite silk set under wool longjohns or sweater.
Poor wonky camera. Excellent comparison! I thought the mesh base clothing was just a gimmick or a marketing noise but it looks legit. Thank you for the video!
Really like your approach to outdoor stuff. My wife and I are planning a 2 months hike through southern Europe in spring. Seeing we're going to come into mountainous terrain we are looking for good solid advice on what to take with us. You provide. Nice.
I think the laboratory style tests are even more impressive in that they don’t include the effects of water being trapped in a solid base layer, which then requires energy to be evaporated. The overall energy savings may not be four times as much as a solid layer, but it’s definitely more than 20%.
Depends on the material, wool generates heat when it absorbs water, so absorbing sweat is actually an intentional part of how wool baselayers keep you warm.
@ that’s interesting. However is seems that the heat of vaporization of water is going to be 2 to 3 times higher than the amount of heat generated by the absorption of water into the wool.
@@BurfieldPhoto1 plus to get the water out of the wool you have to inject that same amount of energy to reverse the reaction when the water absorbs into the wool.
@@BurfieldPhoto1 that’s literally the entire point. Remember, you were arguing that wool can be warmer because it releases heat when it absorbs water. Well to reverse that process, it takes heat out of the system, and then to evaporate the water. It takes more heat out of the system, cooling the person. We don’t want that. That’s why I was arguing initially that because the mesh layer doesn’t absorb a lot of water and allows water vapor to escape theoretically through the pit zips, there’s nothing in the garment to cool the person down once they stop moving because there’s nothing to evaporate.
Been using a two-baselayer system for a few years: Mesh below and a regular synthetic on top of that. It minimises the contact area between skin and fabric which is great when things becomes damp.
You just discovered it, but these have been around since at least the early 80s. I remember L.L. Bean selling them when I was a little kid. My much older brother used to take my Dad's (was purchased for hunting) and wear it to a dance club. 😹 The Patagonia Capilene, and the EMS Bergelene (same fabric, but very different prices) are based on this premise, with a waffle texture next to the skin to create the pockets of air. It works similarly, but also doubles as a normal shirt, which is handy. Waffle weave has been around for a LONG time.
I discovered these a couple of years ago. Mine are made with Merino wool and are fantastic. Forget the negative comments - these base layers are the best.
We've been wearing these for a few decades on the bike because we will sweat like crazy and then need it to dry out quickly for the high speed descent. Occasionally I'll use them hiking.
I was very skeptical as well so I bought one cheap chinese made synthetic made for cycling and running 3 years ago. Well, I have been super impressed and I bought 3 more, I only use that as base layer for cold weather and intense effort. I don't sweat anymore, It keep warmth, It doesn't smell, It dries super quick if slightly moist, I'll likely try to get a Brynje or a fancy merinos one at some point.
Finally was able to score a Senchi. In fact, I got 2. Had to camp out (well, not really) for the Dec 17 drop to score the 90. I was dubious, but HammerHollywood finally convinced me on his PCT through hike. This thing is unbelievable. From literally the instant I draw it over my head I can feel amazing heat retention. And it weighs nearly nothing at all. Packs down to the size of a baseball, if that. Now that you've shown me this base layer, well I'm just gonna have to have it too. I think that this, with my OV sun hoodie as a mid, then the Senchi over that I'd be just about set for any and every type of weather. Rain shell and puffy, I'd be just about impervious. And it would all weigh just ounces. Stoked to try this all out this winter!
I own three pieces, long and short sleeved shirts and a pair of long johns. I love them, and at night I pair them with a 250 weight merino wool mid layer and they keep me very warm.
I'll be heading to Japan to hike Henro in february. This will be very helpfull for me as I wasn't 100% satisfied with my layering as I still get too sweaty even during -2°C with just base layer and fleece. Thank you !
I’m a mobile bowhunter, and I tend to sweat very easily. Walking a few miles into a spot and working up a sweat then climbing into a tree and sitting still for a few hours has made it hard to regulate my temperature. I’m gonna have to try this.
I have used Brynje since the 70s in cotton for summer and in wool for sub-zero winter snowshoeing Both tee shirts and long johns So this is not new onto the outdoor market Extremely effective and highly recommended
I prefer the zip version of the long sleave top. The T shirt version can be nice in the summer - creates air space for the sweat to evaporate. I sent my Brynje tops out for Insect Shield treatment. Although Insect Shield sent me a note - the tops had shrunk down a size, looked like a ShamWow, but then stretched right back when I wore them. Brynje also offers mitts, hats, with a mesh lining.
The thing about wicking is that it's the act of transferring the fluid, like with a candle. The problem I've always seen with base layers wicking ability is that when it's tucked in, and it's enclosed, it has nowhere transfer the sweat to, like chopping the wick of a candle down to the point it won't burn. I personally find the best thing, regardless of what material you use as a base layer, is to make sure your base layer is longer than your jacket and leave it untucked. This will provide your base layer with access to the air so that it can wick the moisture away from the inside of your jacket. The draw back is that wicking works both ways and you don't want to let the exposed material get wet.
I know for cyling in cold wet weather the trick is to always be a little cold. Better a bit cooler with dry base layers than warm and swampy with soaking wet base layer. I would assume hiking in the cold is the same. I normally use a UA base layer, but this seems better. Ordering one now!
thank you for such a great test. You did a great job. I don't have such a mesh, but I have Patagonia Capilene which is almost transparent, and I noticed that it is much more comfortable to lead an active life in it than in any other t-shirt
Amazing! Thank you for the video. I live in a warmer climate, but I see the advantages. An interesting test would be hot weather hiking. Look,forward to your summer test video. Cheers Vancouver Island Canada .
From my understanding, the net itself does not provide insulation, it provides an Air barrier between your sink and your next layer up. If you put your wool base layer over the net you'll really feel the heat.
I have a cheap (~$20?) polypro long sleeve cycling mesh shirt that I use for winter cycling and hiking - the back when under a backpack does hold some sweat, but unlike my other synthetic shirts it doesn’t gain any stink, presumably because it’s not absorbing/wicking much sweat. I would like to try a Brynje (polypro or wool) to see if it performs better, but they are pricy.
Yes, they are. But, if you go for the Super Thermo models, and take care of the garments, they will last you a very long time. The synthetic version does smell more than the wool version after use, but it’s more hard wearing. As Brynje is a Norwegian brand, we have using Brynje for ages, and it works great. Did you know that when Tenzing and Hillary summited Everest in 1953, they were wearing mesh base layers made by Brynje? It’s been around for a long time, and we still use it because it works. ATB from Norway 🇳🇴
As a Norwegian I have used Brynje for over 30 years. They’re great, except for the look. Remember sun screen if you wear them bare in sunny winter weather. The sun burns looks weird. I once forgot sun screen on a 12 hour glacier hike, and got hundreds of diamond shaped blisters.
I've been trying out wool mesh from Heldre, and i love it so far. Very comfortable and warm. It's kind of odd, though. I first tried it when it was about 5c under a sweater,and i could feel the cold, but i didn't feel cold, if that makes any kind of sense
This is well known to knitter's that make a large amount of scarves or shawls with knit lace elements. It's the holes that make them both warm, and light weight, not just the material they're made from.
If you do more testing of the mesh vs closed base layer. It would be interesting if you did some tests with a bit of extra moisture. A few sprits with a spray bottle.
Simple rule #1...avoid cotton at all costs. Takes days to dry. Acrylic reflects heat back at you. Nylon waterproof hardshell. I've hiked to Mt Wash on Feb 3rd, 2001 and was warm.
I tend to sweat more than most, it is easy for me to saturate every base layer while hiking and once the layers are wet evaporation cooling causes much greater and quicker heat loss. This is where the 4to 6 times warmer claim comes from in my experience. This is where the dummy in the cooler test falls way short of real life in my opinion- no sweating simulation. Couple of factors in play with the Brynje base layer- it is polypropylene, a hydrophobic fabric so it does not absorb moisture. Being a mesh, moisture quickly moves through it to the next layer. The next factor to making this work is to have the next layers function as a system to keep moving the moisture outward. So the mid insulation layers and shell characteristics are critical. Down to freezing all I need is a polyester shirt, either a sun hoodie or summer weight sun shirt while hiking. I’ll Moderate body temperature with hat, neck gator and or glove choices as needed. If it’s windy a light nylon windbreaker is all I need. Once the temperature drops into the 20’s , I like a mid layer of either alpha direct or alpaca as either fabric is a good insulator while breathing well and holding minimal moisture. Merino wool mid layers absorb more moisture than alpaca and I sweat too much for merino to be effective. When I do stop for a break, it is easy to stay warm with a puffy because my layers are mostly dry. Been a game changer for me.
This sounds like the industry standard layering system - or it should be! Yeah, that Polartec alpha is amazing. As a base layer when more modesty is required, too.
@@gregvanpaassen at least that’s where my layering has evolved to. If temperatures are above freezing, I keep the Alpha for extended breaks and sleep system. Had three days straight rain in Alaska last summer and it was critical to keep something dry at all costs.
I got mesh baselayers for two reasons: 1) I wanted to stay/feel drier while hiking with a pack during winter camping trips where I sweat a lot even in -30°C (-22°F). Knowing it's actually warmer is a bonus! 2) When I'm on the water paddling in cooler and windy conditions, I wanted the mesh to keep my damp shirt or racing jersey off my skin.
Been used for hundreds of years in Norway. ( design changed over time a bit) Old name translated, something like " Health- shirt" Long story behind that name. The old version, was white, And made of cotton. There is a story, that Said officers in the navy, back when they had sailing ships, Kept a clean ( boiled And sealed) inner shirt in a closet on the ship. They changed to it, when they sailed into battle. Having a clean inner shirt, increased your chanse of survival in battle, if you got wounded. The sailers, could not afford a fancy inner spare shirt. But, they could have a spare inner Mesh- shirt. The " Health shirt" And somehow, this shirt survived to modern times.. Yeah, I have a professor in History, in my family, And he likes to tell stories.. this is from my memory, And short version...
This is old school new school again. These mesh shirts were on the military surplus market for years. They recently became scarce. Sweden was one nation that apparently issued these as a base layer. I believe their were other nations who had copies. You wear it as the base and put a thin merino wool top over it then your outer garment. It helps when you do labor and work up a sweat to doff the outer garmet and let the wool breath naturally and cool down and dry then put the outer layer back on.
I have a couple of these & wear it under a wool tee when hiking...adds A LOT of warmth & is lighter than the wool tee. The leggings add even more warmth & have the added benefit of not letting your cold pants hit your legs when its windy.
I have one sweater exactly like the one in the video. It really works well, only problem is the looks. Smell wise it is as any polyester. My sweater is more than 20 years old, have been relying on merino the last years, but I think I’ll try the Brynje for som high intensity things without the risk of getting seen without a jacket. 😊 Brynje mean Hauberk or chain mail shirt. Too bad they don’t mak them in silver colour.
I bought one of the long sleeve shirts from GGG. I’ve taken it out as my base layer under a sun hoodie and sun t shirt. Temps outside were in the mid to high teens. I stayed warm and didn’t sweat. I love that shirt.
I bought a nylon mesh top off of Amazon and it’s amazing with my Wiggys gear. Granted I don’t know how it would work with other types of insulation, it’d probably be good with wool. Wiggys uses Lamilite. It’s a continuous filament coated in silicone. It’s infinitely compressible and it’s impervious to moisture. I’ve worn my Wiggys gear hiking up the side of a mountain at -25. Sweating like crazy and stayed hot. Wiggys sleeping bags are great for car camping because the moisture build up in the car won’t affect the bag. Wiggys has been selling fish net long underwear for quite a while. And they’ve been using fishnet for long underwear in Scandinavia for decades.
I got wiggy's top and bottom mesh last year for my birthday. I don't find it as comfortable to wear as a polyester mesh top/bottom i bought on Amazon. I also found i couldn't get my foot through the ankle opening on the wiggy's underwear bottoms - that no stretch fiber. Is it really best for times of activity? What do you wear overtop of the wiggy’s? I just got a mid layer BD insulated alpine start jacket (wind breaking but breathable outer shell with alpha direct lining some places inside). Maybe that's the proper combination?
Nice objective test methods. Should allow others to replicate and confirm for themselves. As a cyclist and cross country skier I got over worrying about what others think about appearance a long time ago. That said, the humorous ribbing is fun and appreciated!
It's good to see that the science bears out. I got a mesh shirt to try out last year, but I didn't get the chance to test it in actually cold weather, just stuff where I would have been warm anyway with the exertion from hiking.
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Gotta say, didnt think id start my morning off seeing you in some hot topic fishnet looking gear. I think you pushed me to give it a try, but im leaving the dark eyeliner at home.
Dark eyeliner reduces glare from the snow and increases your perceived threat level to bears. Studded collars and belts also make you a less appealing meal for a bear or mountain lion. Large baggy pants have more storage options while skinny jeans make you more aerodynamic.
@@arnoldkotlyarevsky383 Ill believe it when I see Steven make a video to prove it. Having more storage options is always nice.
@@RyanZuidema It is WAY too early for all these visuals lol
lol! My son begged me not to post this!
This is the level of quality that all threads on TH-cam should aspire to.
My son served a year in the Norwegian Air Force as a guard for the F-35 squadron. They would do several days training out in the deep woods in -20c temps. They used Brynje wool net base layers. My wife, his mother, used wool net back in the 80’s as a Red Cross volunteer out in -40 temps. It works. It has for ages. Use it.
Nothing new. I knew this technology back in the 1970s. Problem is getting the kit now.
I still have my fishnet underwear from when I worked in the bush in the 1970s to 1980s. I remember my Father wearing it in the 1950s and 60s. It was very popular with outdoor workers in Canada until aggressive marketing of fake moisture control fabrics like Gortex, killed it.
Very interesting!
The mesh should do a nice job of making pockets of air for insulation, kinda like bubble wrap. If not covered it could help with cooling, better that a solid fabric.
I've used these for a little bit in the military. It's tough get things to breath under plates while moving through mountains but this has helped a ton.
Yeap, used to be a standard issue in the Finnish army. It’s been a while, maybe they still use it.
Yup. I don't mind layering. It's that "get it off me" feeling from the skin being unable to breathe that constantly makes me uncomfortable. That feeling is always there.
@@irzyxelwj then i think you will really like this mesh.
In Scotland this was commonly known as the "String vest" made from cotton and worn daily under every day garments up to about the 1980- 1990's, as the functionality of it has been lost amongst the "Unfashionable" trend these days.
Unless you happen to be Rab C. Nesbitt!
Big Rab C approves.
Standard wear for my father, born 1914.
It's cool to see the contemporary outdoors community catching up with both my (Norwegian) grandfathers...
😂 yes this is something Norwegians knew for quite some time already
You Scandinavians have known this forever. The old ways are always the best, there’s a logical reason for it.
Don’t forget the fishnet with matching Zpacks ultralight titanium nipple rings! 😉
That sounds like a Dutchware gear product haha.
With leather. 😂
Having just switched over this week I can say I am impressed.
Picked up a very basic polyester long sleeved fishnet top for around $20. Using only that as a base layer, 1/4 zip waffletop, and a Goretex shell I went on a 10 mile hump (20°F) with a 25lb pack to prove them wrong, but it performed flawlessly. Never before have I gone on a hike (with a pack) and have my back feel completely dry. The ability to move moisture and thereby regulating temperature is a trip, literally. 😁🤘😎
What did you get? Just a cheap “club shirt” off Amazon?
Started using Brynje mesh shirts for mt biking a bit over a year ago. Absolutely love 'em. The warmth is there when its cold, but they also stay comfy even when its warmer temps (50-60F). Great for the 'cool' weather, as I describe it acting as temperature moderation. I may be a bit warm on the climbs, even with outer layers venting, but when I stop or get to the top, I don't have the wet, clammy, and clingy base layer chilling me down. Which is even more noticeable when you start going back down right away; close up the outer layers and I may be a bit cool, but not being chilled is wonderful.
Another MTBer here and I swear by these layers. To me, they aren't subjectively any warmer than other base layers at rest, but I stay so much drier that the warmth gain is fantastic. I wonder if this is a part of the 4-6 times warmer claim by Brynje. I usually ride with a very light summer layer over the mesh.
Never had that problem with just wool - wool stays warm when it's wet ...
I never noticed how soaked with sweat I was till I got home and stripped everything off lol
I didnt realise this wasnt a think in hiking/backpacking already - I came from the cycling world and they have always been commonplace from all the main manufacturers and used by all the cycling teams. A mesh base layer can also keep you cooler in the summer. Becauase I already had them from cycling for the last 15 years, when I started hiking I just used them automatically.
The setup you have with the freezer is super duper awesome. I would really like to see dry and wet cotton and dry and wet wool in similar weight compared.
I’ll see what I can do
I’ve been using mesh base layers from Rapha and Craft for over 15 years for cycling in hot and cold months and love how much more quickly they dry, allowing the mid layer to better insulate. Rapha makes a merino mesh baselayer that is great. The synthetics work really well too and don’t stink which I think is due to how quickly they dry and less material for bacteria to grow.
This takes me back to my Alberta winters in the 1980's. I would wear a cotton fishnet underlayer (next to skin), then a wool midlayer. The fishnet would wick moisture from the skin, to be held in the wool layer. Putting a downfill parka on top, and I was good to -40.
I started using this last year - it’s an amazing layer that I’ve grown to love. It performs excellently under a breathable layer like a windbreaker - don’t choke it off under a rain jacket.
Brynje made the PE version really hydrophobic. So even under a raincoat, it should still be warmer as it let the sweat bead up and run off and maintain air pockets around you.
@@jnrfalconrespectfully disagree. Rain coat (any of the Goretex or similar) will not move moisture fast enough for a high sweat situation and eventually will get cold. Any mid layers will also wet out, same cold result for those who sweat a lot like myself.
My experience also
I’m thinking about trying this under a wind shirt like my Arktis Stowaway and a wool/alpaca mid layer over that.
@@donniebelso how do you keep warm
The super thermo stinks because it's polyester but the Merino wool ones are almost odourless. Id recommend those better
@truepaulesco to each their own
Its polypropylene. At least mine is.
They have each their use. Wool is for low level activity, like hiking. Polypropylene is for high level, like running and biking. You wash the polypropylene immediately after the activity, then you will have no problems with oder. I have polypropylene shirts that are more than 15 years old and with no oder. The merino you just hang up to dry. I never wash those....
And the graphic he used said it was the wool one that was 4-6 times warmer so not a great experiment this time.
@@Oslohikerno issues with odor, but have fun absorbing PFAS and contributing microfibers to the already ruined ocean environment.
50 shades of hiking
Near the end of Sept and into Oct I hiked from flagstaff Arizona to the Grand Canyon. Spent a few days before going down and after coming up, camping at the south rim. I then hiked back to flagstaff. It was 104f at the bottom of the canyon. When hiking to and from the canyon most miles are exposed to the sun. It was 85F + most of the time during the day.
I wore a cheap mesh base layer with a button 30 spf long sleeve hiking shirt overtop. For the most part the hiking shirt was unbuttoned and opened up a little at the front. Any breeze and you could feel the evaporation off your body which had a cooling effect. When I stopped hiking for the day I hung the hiking shirt up to dry and just wore the mesh layer. To go to sleep I put a tshirt overtop of the mesh layer and had a light sleeping bag. I was very happy with how the mesh layer worked both during the day and for night time.
If they had a PHD for backpacking you sir would have it. Outstanding job.
i had a short sleeve poly fishnet top with solid shoulders to accommodate shoulder straps around 1990 from LL Bean. I found it great for winter hiking by just unbuttoning my dress weight wool shirt to vent. I no longer have the fishnet, but I still often were a button up shirt so I can vent my torso by using the buttons. Glad they are back!
I like your scientific approach and appreciate the time it must take to do the tests. Fifty years ago (I’m 75) I remember using cotton mesh t shirts when hiking (there was no alternative fabrics available) and it kind of worked, but now I’ll give these new stuff a try.
Thanks for putting actual science to work on this question!
I recently bought the Marino wool version. So far absolutely loving it. I’m usually a fan of a big jumper/fleece mid layer but enjoying just going mesh base layer, t shirt and windproof outer in the colder weather. Also finding that when I do sweat it’s not transferring onto my other layers the same. Which is another added bonus.
You made the right choice over plastic my friend 🐑🙌
@@sigurdtoverud9345 bääää 🐑
Did some experimenting as a conscript back in 94. The mesh layer definitely feelt dry quicker, but the advantage was somewhat offset by the way it worked into your skin where you where carrying weight
Been using this for the past 19 years, absolutely holds up and does an amazing job. Kudos for all the hard work going into this testing and editing. 👏
Love that you finally made a video about the mesh base layers. I've only used my Brynje layers once this winter, but I was SO impressed. Just a nice windbreaker and the mesh and I was good going up steep inclines around 20F on average. Didn't overheat, and even if I did, all I had to do was open up my windbreaker and INSTANTLY cool off.
I am a Norwegian and have been using Brynje mesh layers for more than 30 years. Nothing beats it. Use it with a thin wool layer over it on colder days.
I was in Svalbard this past summer on a hiking trip. And our guide had the exact setup, Brynje mesh with Keb on top. Though it wasn't that cold, about 40F. I had another regular base layer on top of my mesh and I was slightly too warm.
I love all videos MyLifeOutdoors does. Thanks for sharing the information you have, the information you learn, and your love of what you do.
I only wish someone, or you, would make a video where the gear did not cost so much but it would last. As someone who is just trying to get into the hobby of backpacking, camping, and hiking I am not going to spend $200+ on a backpack, sleeping pad, sleeping bag, etc.
The shirt for this video, it is mostly holes, but costs $70. That is 30% less than the last time I looked when it was $100 but still that seems outrageous for a shirt.
Started using this specific one (choose poly instead of the wool one because it will dry MUCH faster and be much tougher) and it outperformed every base layer i have ever used in my life! LOVE IT!
How is the odour?
@@chriskoohk
You start to small/stink later to much later when using a good quality mesh layer compared with most other types of base layers, as your sweat evaporates so fast, that bacteria don't thrive as well as they do when other base layers are used.
Bacteria growth very much depend on enough moisture.
The only type of base layer that in my experience compete with a good quality mesh layer when it comes to odor, is the ones with silver used for anti bacterial effect.
The best solution for odor would be a mesh layer with silver used in the fabric and I know of one brand that makes that and that is Svala from Finland, but I have not tested it.
Personally I use Brynje from Norway as was tested here and have done so for as long as I can remember and I am 57 years now.
Now and then have I tested new products that have claimed that they have been the best base layers ever, and every single time have they been worse to MUCH worse.
I bought the Brynje base layer leggings in merino, and I love how well they work for me. I'm not sure if it's an issue with the synthetic version, but I did notice a potential to rip if you pull to hard on them, but it's also not too hard to fix. I really appreciate the added modesty panels, as well as the shoulder panels on the shirts to protect you from chaffing from your backpack straps. Really hoping to buy one of their shirts and maybe trying the socks, too, when I can afford it.
I've used Brynje (and similar) mesh layers since the seventies. Excellent performance, but it's also a specialized garment. If you know it will be cold enough for layering all the time then it's hard to beat, but if it gets warm enough so you can walk around without an outer layer then non-mesh shirt works better.
Mate i really appreciate how you linked me throughout from video to video with ease as I came off tiktok to watch this and then followed the link at the end. I had no interest in this topic or hiking but I’ve developed an interest in understanding layering now. However I feel you have an opportunity to do a layering video again with this new knowledge and reading the comments there were an abundance of tips and insight. I admire the production and dedication to research, it seems thorough and well thought out
I was cross country skiing with mesh base layers in the 70s. They were a cotton blend and worked great.
Like my grandad used to wear back in the 60s here in the UK, old style string vests as we call them. They were made of 100% cotton back then.
I bought the merino version last year and have been using it as a base layer for winter mountain biking and fat tire biking. It feels weird against the skin at first, but you get used to it. And definitely seems to keep me warner, less sweaty base layer.
If you've ever used a waffle weave baselayer like the old Patagonia thermal weights, you get why this makes sense. Waffle weave is basically just a mesh inner layer combined with a thin knit outer layer.
Mmmm waffles.... With maple syrup...
My Brynje wool mesh base is amazing, I have worn it alone at 0c/32F hiking just to not overheat, really helps manage body temperature and dampness. It is my go to winter base layer and stays smelling good much longer than anything else.
Loved your test even though it just reinforced something I have experienced first hand my whole adult life. Your freezer and moisture test was really interesting. Brynje mesh has been standard issue in the Norwegian army for at least 40 years. Surviving arctic warfare is mainly about constantly adjusting clothing and secondly about dodging enemy fire.
I bought a shirt like this in the summer and hiked in it , i found it to be oddly warm when i didnt expect it and explains alot !
Hi Steven, Antuan from the classic. It was great to meet you in the Fjallraven classic. Looking forward to your content and wishing you continued success!
Hey Antuan! Thanks for watching and dropping a comment!
I just got the Ortovox Merino Thermovent and was stunned that it's half mesh. I was about to return it, but then your video popped up. I may rethink the return.....
I'm an intermediate crocheter and this look fairly easy to make at home. If anyone happens to have any advice do let me know! I'll update with progress.
This is an interesting take! 👀
Use merino wool, cotton will soak up all the sweat and synthetic threads don’t have the right structure to be used for outdoor wear.
@@jr_kulik synthetic is just fine, although it retains odor more than wool.
@jr_kulik I'd use merino wool as well. I crochet too. I think I'll try making a fishnet shirt.
@@percyfaith11 Synthetic is great when it is spun into a precise airy structure made for outdoor wear, but synthetic yarn made for crochet will not at all have the required structure to trap air and wick moisture.
Swedish military used mesh decades ago, I used it over 20 yrs ago under my motocross gear.
Another thing I find extremely comfortable and warm is a lite silk set under wool longjohns or sweater.
Poor wonky camera. Excellent comparison! I thought the mesh base clothing was just a gimmick or a marketing noise but it looks legit. Thank you for the video!
Ive used the Brynje for 15 years in my outdooractivities. The best there is. Whool on top for ekstra warmth.
You can also layer the mesh shirts ;)
Really like your approach to outdoor stuff. My wife and I are planning a 2 months hike through southern Europe in spring. Seeing we're going to come into mountainous terrain we are looking for good solid advice on what to take with us. You provide. Nice.
It's awesome you keep finding experiments to try out with your dummy and freezer.
I think the laboratory style tests are even more impressive in that they don’t include the effects of water being trapped in a solid base layer, which then requires energy to be evaporated. The overall energy savings may not be four times as much as a solid layer, but it’s definitely more than 20%.
Depends on the material, wool generates heat when it absorbs water, so absorbing sweat is actually an intentional part of how wool baselayers keep you warm.
@ that’s interesting. However is seems that the heat of vaporization of water is going to be 2 to 3 times higher than the amount of heat generated by the absorption of water into the wool.
@@BurfieldPhoto1 plus to get the water out of the wool you have to inject that same amount of energy to reverse the reaction when the water absorbs into the wool.
@@mbmurphy777 evaporation causes cooling, not heating. That's literally the point of sweat.
@@BurfieldPhoto1 that’s literally the entire point. Remember, you were arguing that wool can be warmer because it releases heat when it absorbs water. Well to reverse that process, it takes heat out of the system, and then to evaporate the water. It takes more heat out of the system, cooling the person.
We don’t want that. That’s why I was arguing initially that because the mesh layer doesn’t absorb a lot of water and allows water vapor to escape theoretically through the pit zips, there’s nothing in the garment to cool the person down once they stop moving because there’s nothing to evaporate.
Been using a two-baselayer system for a few years: Mesh below and a regular synthetic on top of that. It minimises the contact area between skin and fabric which is great when things becomes damp.
Since a year I swear by mesh undergear when biking. I thought it was insane, but it got me to give it a try. Works great.
I really appreciate the effort you put into these tests. Super useful. Tx!
In retrospect, the success of waffle fleece mids (like Patagonia's R1) suggest similar results....just applied to base layers.
An R1 Air and a breathable wind shell - Kor Airshell - are insanely useful in sub freezing hiking. I love that combo.
Mmmm waffles... And maple syrup...
I got the mesh last year and it's incredible, I can't believe how much warmth it adds
You just discovered it, but these have been around since at least the early 80s. I remember L.L. Bean selling them when I was a little kid. My much older brother used to take my Dad's (was purchased for hunting) and wear it to a dance club. 😹 The Patagonia Capilene, and the EMS Bergelene (same fabric, but very different prices) are based on this premise, with a waffle texture next to the skin to create the pockets of air. It works similarly, but also doubles as a normal shirt, which is handy. Waffle weave has been around for a LONG time.
I discovered these a couple of years ago. Mine are made with Merino wool and are fantastic. Forget the negative comments - these base layers are the best.
Thanks for making a great video explaining this product …. and for NOT modeling the pants!
We've been wearing these for a few decades on the bike because we will sweat like crazy and then need it to dry out quickly for the high speed descent. Occasionally I'll use them hiking.
I have been wearing mesh base layers for over 40 years. Coming from a Norwegian family it is traditional in the winter.
I was very skeptical as well so I bought one cheap chinese made synthetic made for cycling and running 3 years ago.
Well, I have been super impressed and I bought 3 more, I only use that as base layer for cold weather and intense effort.
I don't sweat anymore, It keep warmth, It doesn't smell, It dries super quick if slightly moist, I'll likely try to get a Brynje or a fancy merinos one at some point.
Finally was able to score a Senchi. In fact, I got 2. Had to camp out (well, not really) for the Dec 17 drop to score the 90. I was dubious, but HammerHollywood finally convinced me on his PCT through hike. This thing is unbelievable. From literally the instant I draw it over my head I can feel amazing heat retention. And it weighs nearly nothing at all. Packs down to the size of a baseball, if that. Now that you've shown me this base layer, well I'm just gonna have to have it too. I think that this, with my OV sun hoodie as a mid, then the Senchi over that I'd be just about set for any and every type of weather. Rain shell and puffy, I'd be just about impervious. And it would all weigh just ounces. Stoked to try this all out this winter!
I own three pieces, long and short sleeved shirts and a pair of long johns. I love them, and at night I pair them with a 250 weight merino wool mid layer and they keep me very warm.
Looking forward to you getting The bull nose ring which will be a must to accessorize with this hip garment.
I'll be heading to Japan to hike Henro in february. This will be very helpfull for me as I wasn't 100% satisfied with my layering as I still get too sweaty even during -2°C with just base layer and fleece. Thank you !
Wow. I did not expect that outcome. Thanks for the video.
I’m a mobile bowhunter, and I tend to sweat very easily. Walking a few miles into a spot and working up a sweat then climbing into a tree and sitting still for a few hours has made it hard to regulate my temperature. I’m gonna have to try this.
Then you will really like this.
I have used Brynje since the 70s in cotton for summer and in wool for sub-zero winter snowshoeing
Both tee shirts and long johns
So this is not new onto the outdoor market
Extremely effective and highly recommended
Begs the question, why these are not more common.
I prefer the zip version of the long sleave top. The T shirt version can be nice in the summer - creates air space for the sweat to evaporate. I sent my Brynje tops out for Insect Shield treatment. Although Insect Shield sent me a note - the tops had shrunk down a size, looked like a ShamWow, but then stretched right back when I wore them.
Brynje also offers mitts, hats, with a mesh lining.
Thank you for including the gram conversions again ❤ 😊
The thing about wicking is that it's the act of transferring the fluid, like with a candle. The problem I've always seen with base layers wicking ability is that when it's tucked in, and it's enclosed, it has nowhere transfer the sweat to, like chopping the wick of a candle down to the point it won't burn. I personally find the best thing, regardless of what material you use as a base layer, is to make sure your base layer is longer than your jacket and leave it untucked. This will provide your base layer with access to the air so that it can wick the moisture away from the inside of your jacket. The draw back is that wicking works both ways and you don't want to let the exposed material get wet.
Never heard of this style of base layer, but will give it a try sometime. Thanks!
I know for cyling in cold wet weather the trick is to always be a little cold. Better a bit cooler with dry base layers than warm and swampy with soaking wet base layer. I would assume hiking in the cold is the same. I normally use a UA base layer, but this seems better. Ordering one now!
Awesome topic. Timely and well done. Thanks Steven!
Your videos are top notch, you put in the effort to actually test things and give real numbers
thank you for such a great test. You did a great job. I don't have such a mesh, but I have Patagonia Capilene which is almost transparent, and I noticed that it is much more comfortable to lead an active life in it than in any other t-shirt
Thank you. I had been considering a mesh base layer, bought it , but hadn't used it yet.
Oh no the camera!! 😂😂
Thanks for sharing Steven! I couldn’t believe it myself either! 👍🏻
Amazing! Thank you for the video. I live in a warmer climate, but I see the advantages. An interesting test would be hot weather hiking. Look,forward to your summer test video. Cheers Vancouver Island Canada .
Alpha Direct over mesh is all I need on this on this warm 50* Colorado day.
alpha direct is mesh with fluff sewn in so why bother with the extra mesh layer?
i use alpha 60 as my baselayer
@PHYSIZIST because it's comfortable. I don't need a wind shirt.
@@terryelam7010 fair enuf
From my understanding, the net itself does not provide insulation, it provides an Air barrier between your sink and your next layer up. If you put your wool base layer over the net you'll really feel the heat.
I think to get to that 4 to 6 times warmer claim, you would need to get each garment damp for your testing. That would somewhat simulate sweating.
I have a cheap (~$20?) polypro long sleeve cycling mesh shirt that I use for winter cycling and hiking - the back when under a backpack does hold some sweat, but unlike my other synthetic shirts it doesn’t gain any stink, presumably because it’s not absorbing/wicking much sweat.
I would like to try a Brynje (polypro or wool) to see if it performs better, but they are pricy.
Yes, they are. But, if you go for the Super Thermo models, and take care of the garments, they will last you a very long time. The synthetic version does smell more than the wool version after use, but it’s more hard wearing. As Brynje is a Norwegian brand, we have using Brynje for ages, and it works great. Did you know that when Tenzing and Hillary summited Everest in 1953, they were wearing mesh base layers made by Brynje? It’s been around for a long time, and we still use it because it works. ATB from Norway 🇳🇴
Love it, thank you for sharing!!!❤😊❤
As a Norwegian I have used Brynje for over 30 years. They’re great, except for the look. Remember sun screen if you wear them bare in sunny winter weather. The sun burns looks weird. I once forgot sun screen on a 12 hour glacier hike, and got hundreds of diamond shaped blisters.
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This blew my mind. Thank you for the awesome videos!
Great video brother!
Thanks! I was trying hard to not copy yours.
I've been trying out wool mesh from Heldre, and i love it so far. Very comfortable and warm. It's kind of odd, though. I first tried it when it was about 5c under a sweater,and i could feel the cold, but i didn't feel cold, if that makes any kind of sense
This is well known to knitter's that make a large amount of scarves or shawls with knit lace elements. It's the holes that make them both warm, and light weight, not just the material they're made from.
Great video. One of the most thoughtful and scientific analyses I’ve seen in a long while.
If you do more testing of the mesh vs closed base layer. It would be interesting if you did some tests with a bit of extra moisture. A few sprits with a spray bottle.
Simple rule #1...avoid cotton at all costs. Takes days to dry. Acrylic reflects heat back at you. Nylon waterproof hardshell. I've hiked to Mt Wash on Feb 3rd, 2001 and was warm.
Those fishnet underlayers are the fucking bomb. Honestly - they're amazing. Hands down the best thing I've bought for cold weather.
I tend to sweat more than most, it is easy for me to saturate every base layer while hiking and once the layers are wet evaporation cooling causes much greater and quicker heat loss. This is where the 4to 6 times warmer claim comes from in my experience. This is where the dummy in the cooler test falls way short of real life in my opinion- no sweating simulation. Couple of factors in play with the Brynje base layer- it is polypropylene, a hydrophobic fabric so it does not absorb moisture. Being a mesh, moisture quickly moves through it to the next layer. The next factor to making this work is to have the next layers function as a system to keep moving the moisture outward. So the mid insulation layers and shell characteristics are critical. Down to freezing all I need is a polyester shirt, either a sun hoodie or summer weight sun shirt while hiking. I’ll
Moderate body temperature with hat, neck gator and or glove choices as needed. If it’s windy a light nylon windbreaker is all I need. Once the temperature drops into the 20’s , I like a mid layer of either alpha direct or alpaca as either fabric is a good insulator while breathing well and holding minimal moisture. Merino wool mid layers absorb more moisture than alpaca and I sweat too much for merino to be effective. When I do stop for a break, it is easy to stay warm with a puffy because my layers are mostly dry. Been a game changer for me.
This sounds like the industry standard layering system - or it should be!
Yeah, that Polartec alpha is amazing. As a base layer when more modesty is required, too.
@@gregvanpaassen at least that’s where my layering has evolved to. If temperatures are above freezing, I keep the Alpha for extended breaks and sleep system. Had three days straight rain in Alaska last summer and it was critical to keep something dry at all costs.
I got mesh baselayers for two reasons: 1) I wanted to stay/feel drier while hiking with a pack during winter camping trips where I sweat a lot even in -30°C (-22°F). Knowing it's actually warmer is a bonus! 2) When I'm on the water paddling in cooler and windy conditions, I wanted the mesh to keep my damp shirt or racing jersey off my skin.
Been used for hundreds of years in Norway. ( design changed over time a bit)
Old name translated, something like " Health- shirt"
Long story behind that name.
The old version, was white, And made of cotton.
There is a story, that Said officers in the navy, back when they had sailing ships,
Kept a clean ( boiled And sealed) inner shirt in a closet on the ship. They changed to it, when they sailed into battle. Having a clean inner shirt, increased your chanse of survival in battle, if you got wounded.
The sailers, could not afford a fancy inner spare shirt.
But, they could have a spare inner Mesh- shirt.
The " Health shirt"
And somehow, this shirt survived to modern times..
Yeah, I have a professor in History, in my family, And he likes to tell stories.. this is from my memory, And short version...
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This is old school new school again. These mesh shirts were on the military surplus market for years. They recently became scarce. Sweden was one nation that apparently issued these as a base layer. I believe their were other nations who had copies. You wear it as the base and put a thin merino wool top over it then your outer garment. It helps when you do labor and work up a sweat to doff the outer garmet and let the wool breath naturally and cool down and dry then put the outer layer back on.
I have a couple of these & wear it under a wool tee when hiking...adds A LOT of warmth & is lighter than the wool tee. The leggings add even more warmth & have the added benefit of not letting your cold pants hit your legs when its windy.
I have one sweater exactly like the one in the video. It really works well, only problem is the looks. Smell wise it is as any polyester. My sweater is more than 20 years old, have been relying on merino the last years, but I think I’ll try the Brynje for som high intensity things without the risk of getting seen without a jacket. 😊
Brynje mean Hauberk or chain mail shirt. Too bad they don’t mak them in silver colour.
I bought one of the long sleeve shirts from GGG. I’ve taken it out as my base layer under a sun hoodie and sun t shirt. Temps outside were in the mid to high teens. I stayed warm and didn’t sweat. I love that shirt.
I bought a nylon mesh top off of Amazon and it’s amazing with my Wiggys gear. Granted I don’t know how it would work with other types of insulation, it’d probably be good with wool.
Wiggys uses Lamilite. It’s a continuous filament coated in silicone. It’s infinitely compressible and it’s impervious to moisture. I’ve worn my Wiggys gear hiking up the side of a mountain at -25. Sweating like crazy and stayed hot. Wiggys sleeping bags are great for car camping because the moisture build up in the car won’t affect the bag.
Wiggys has been selling fish net long underwear for quite a while. And they’ve been using fishnet for long underwear in Scandinavia for decades.
I got wiggy's top and bottom mesh last year for my birthday. I don't find it as comfortable to wear as a polyester mesh top/bottom i bought on Amazon.
I also found i couldn't get my foot through the ankle opening on the wiggy's underwear bottoms - that no stretch fiber. Is it really best for times of activity?
What do you wear overtop of the wiggy’s?
I just got a mid layer BD insulated alpine start jacket (wind breaking but breathable outer shell with alpha direct lining some places inside). Maybe that's the proper combination?
Nice objective test methods. Should allow others to replicate and confirm for themselves. As a cyclist and cross country skier I got over worrying about what others think about appearance a long time ago. That said, the humorous ribbing is fun and appreciated!
It's good to see that the science bears out. I got a mesh shirt to try out last year, but I didn't get the chance to test it in actually cold weather, just stuff where I would have been warm anyway with the exertion from hiking.