Did TILTA Fix the Sony ZV-E1 OVERHEATING problem???
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 มิ.ย. 2024
- I bought the Tilta cooling fan and the Tilta cage for the Sony ZV-E1 to find out if I can cool it down and have longer recording times. Check out the video to find out if it worked.
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Thanks for showing this option to others but who in their right mind would even buy a zv body with plans to rig it heavier than an a7s/fx3 haha. I sold my caged a7s3 got zv and I'm LOVING the smaller/lightweight footprint. I now want to sell my 24mm gm f1.4 and buy the 24mm f2.8 you showed just cause of how compact it looks!
The 24mm G is awesome, absolutely loving the G pancakes!
I had never overheating problems with the small ZVE1 😎👍🏻
Mine is okay 99% of the time, unless I really push 120fps.
Very nice review, that's good ❤❤❤
Thank you 🤗
Which fan level did you have it on for your tests? What was the ambient temperature of the room? Basic details would help a lot.
Thank you sooo much for the video. It solved my problem. I was looking into zve1 or a700 for specific one reason: auto-framing during recording symposium presentations. No other Sony camera has this function. Only downside was that both cameras have overheating issues obviously these were not built for long recordings. It would have been great if fx3 or fx30 had autoframing function but they don’t. This fan will solve the issue when I purchase zve1 with it. 👍🙏❤️
Hi Phillip,
Thanks for the video.
I have this for the R5 and have made extensive tests with all the overheating issues from this cam since it came out in 2020. I won’t get into it but Canon two years later removed some of their crippling except the 30min recording limit which can’t be more annoying.
Anyhow, the latter drove me to add Sony but learned to enjoy both system. Just have to switch off my muscle memory when switching system.
Firstly, the lack of 1/4” threads on bottom of full cage is probably due to them wanting to stay slim design at bottom because the plate that holds the active cooling fan is taking up this place and I assume if you drill a hole there, it’s not going to be stable enough.
Alternatively, I am waiting for the 1/4” plate that Tilta sells for the R5 that if you go with no cage, you can use this and it acts the same because the way they made the design is the 1/4” plate has a swivel and you just adjust it and it also slides in and out as you’ve shown.
The only thing I’m not sure of is the Sony active cooling fan has additional height to this fan because Sony ZV-E1 and other newer models designed the LCD with a bevel on the bottom so when you open it (from lower right hand side to left), there is a carved out space for your fingers to open the LCD screen from bottom right side, instead of the Sony A7S3 where it opens the LCD screen from the top right side.
Anyhow, wasn’t sure if the 1/4” plate used for the R5 would work so I bought the Sony ZV-E1 half cage instead as it looks like it has 1/4” mounts on bottom and not on sides without adding the additional ARCA-compatible plates (based on DJI standards as they specify).
The advantage I see with the half cage is: 1) it curves to the full length of the bottom of the camera so you don’t need that additional hand grip (more weight) but also now your pinky finger is not hanging like the full cage; 2) the cold shoe is not on top but on the side of the top left side. Therefore if you add a Smallrig cold shoe adapter with wind muff (when outside and windy), this wind muff doesn’t look like a toupee, more normal but the hot shoe has the wind muff covering the speaker grill on right side and left side is the cold shoe. This allows for adding lights or external shotgun mics without hitting the cage frame on top; and 3) it’s lighter and cheaper than the full cage but functions even better (at least for me)
As far as the overheating results on the R5, I got roughly double the recording times published by Canon and probably because it has the magnesium alloyed body which dissipate heat better in theory.
You can also improve the recording times if using a dummy battery or open up the ports on a run and gun pinch or for long form. I will need to see if adding an external recorder that it can run for hours as it did on the R5. But for run and gun shoots, this is better solution than the one I got on Aliexpress using velcro which you cannot close the LCD screen without removing the active cooling fan.
As far as small footprint and keeping things light, I am waiting for Power Junkie v2 power adapter using Sony’s NPF batteries. It has one advantage over the Tilta is that the USBC port can power 9V and 2.5A so on my R5C, to shoot 8K60fps raw, it needs 9V and 3A which at 2.5A, it still works. It is a PD port like Titlta but exceeds the power output of 18W to 22.5 which is enough for my needs.
Lastly for the Tilta active cooling fan (the R5 version), it’s weird that I can only power it with an external power source that had a USBA male (to power source) and USBC (to fan). I tried all power sources (PD and non-PD, high-end and low-end powered cables) that was USBC to USBC and it simply doesn’t work. So not sure the supplied USBC to USBC cable that Tilta provides, doesn’t show anywhere what is the power required and what type of cables. Generally, engineering and products driven companies are good at designing electronics but poor at communication and this is one of them. But they deliver great and innovative products and always late and/or delayed though. The prices has also gone down to earth for both Sony and Canon as originally I paid $165.00 and it didn’t look like many people bought or reviewed it thoroughly. Good to see them adjust their pricing to more accessible position
Hey!!! Great Job!! For comparison how long does it last with no fan at 4k 25p?
I can see others copying Tilta’s idea. Nice video!
Yeah, funny, Chinese copying the Chinese for a change 😂
what if someone made a custom body made out of metal, would that help with heat dissipation?
Now i need this cage 😅
It is a nice one, minus the missing 1/4 20” 😂
In my opinion this is better camera than A7s2 - that everyone loved so much years before, but forgot about it's limitations.
Hell, it’s better than the A7S3!
@@PhillipSkraba wow I wouldn't tell
This fan looks more robust, but Ulan's fan is much less (given that I hardly use a fan). You should check it out if you haven't seen it.
I’ve seen it, but they said late August, and Tilta is a little higher up the ladder when it comes to design and style, so I’d prefer something nicer for a little more money. I’ll see how the Ulanzi compares, but if it doesn’t beat it, I won’t bother doing a film on it.
How many Watt does Titla require to generate the system? I can’t find any details info on their website.
Could one isolate fan frequency in pist and eliminate it easily of recording to camera?
Great video! Thank you! Could you tell me please how the Sony ZV-E1 reacts in overheating situations when you record long video (for example recording 30min in outside with sun and 35 Celsius) at 1080p at 50fps?
I wish I knew, but it's not really a camera made for recording outside at 35c, I'm pretty sure it would overheat quite quickly in that kind of atmosphere.
Ty for the fairly objective review!
This is a hard sell imo now that you can get used A7SIII for under $3,000, investing in this system gets your ZVE1 closer to this price and weight of the A7SIII/FX3, takes away from the compact nature of the camera in the first place...... (cage + fan + external power source).Oh, and you get a loud fan that is picked up on audio. and for only 7 more minutes of 4k 120? and your numbers with the fan matched the numbers that other users got with no fan in similar room temp.
Oh no, I did tests before and this basically doubled run time in most circumstances. I did this for fun and educational reasons, I'd personally NEVER use it. I did it to show others that there is this option. The cage though, if it had a 1/4 20" in the middle, that would make it perfect. As for 120fps, who in the world films in slow motion for more than a burst, you plan, you film, you don't just let it fly for 10 minutes. So my test on 120fps is just to show that if you forget to turn it off, it'll still work for 20 mins.
Very informative and i really love the run and gun setup. My question is can the fan be installed on a smallrig cage? or it works only with the tiltas one?
It’s made to be used with the Tilta cage, if you want a cheaper and better designed one, go with Ulanzi.
Ah ok thanks a lot Philip
Give you just a like... How about a love... 🤣 Great vids brother!
Thanks Johnny!
Wanted to see the a6700 with the fan and a mounted monitor through HDMI with it's own battery and see if it overheats with the fan or not? Highly appreciate it your channel is very informative thank you for making these vids.👍
Well, I'm sure the fan will help. I don't own any apsc cameras, but in theory the result should be similar. Thanks!
You will get better results if you fix the cooler (conducting glue?) or at least use elastic strings to push the cooler to the camera
Cool
It is cool ❄️
I just want a FX3 Mark II, is that too much to ask for?
Oh yeah! That will be a nice little beast!
I'm planning to use it on crane m3s, is it possible to power the tilta fan via crane m3's external power out? So I can avoid using a power bank.
I don't think you'd be able to get the power you need, the best thing would be to velcro a small powerbank on camera, or find one that attaches via the hotshoe, that way you'd be able to keep this sucker going. That being said, I put this back in the box as I find it a pain to use.
if you have shotgun mic pointing to the front of the lens, can you still hear the fan in your recordings?
It can be heard, a tiny bit, yep. It's quite loud on full.
Im here! :)
Good!
@@PhillipSkraba not just that, I’m the first one too 😂 whatever it means, I’m just copying others
so can you not mount a tripod to it ?
I heard that Tilta Cooling fans have issues in the past with not even turning on via Amazon Reviews... Not sure how credible these reviews are but theres more than one i believe. ..
I hope mine lasts in that case!
@PhillipSkraba Fingers crossed 🤞
What lense is that on there?
I think I had one of my Sony G lenses on, the pancakes. Great lenses.
Have you changed your standard mic??? Why am I hearing echo???
My whole studio is an echo 😂
@@PhillipSkraba but before there wasn’t any echo 🤨 just admit you have broken the mic and have to use different one 😂
Lol, I have 278 mics, I use 1 on my talking head table. It’s a secret which one 😂
@@PhillipSkraba 🤣🤣🤣
@@PhillipSkraba im guessing nr 33 you are using now 😂😂
Ha!
My fan doesn't stay flush even when I pull it out for storage mode.
Is that the case for you?
If you take a small stanley flat head screwdriver into the holes of the plate (attached to the cage) where you bolt onto the active cooling fan and adjust the angle, I think you should be able to make it flushed into the LCD and back panel.
Try bolting only one screw and adjusting the other one so you see if it works
Mine doesn’t either, no.
Would this gear be able to be used on the Sony A74
I think so, but does the A74 have an overheating problem.
@@PhillipSkraba But I see the Sony A74 as a Super 35mm cinematic camera with full frame photography capabilities
@@ruff1draft Sure, but I don't think you need to cool it, it does a pretty good job by itself. No professional camera should need to use this silly contraption, and to be honest, with the right planning, you'll never have to use this on the Sony ZV-E1 either.
@@PhillipSkraba Oh ok thanks for this information. Have a blessed week
Will the base plate slide in the dji Rsc2?
Oh gosh no idea, I don’t own one.
@@PhillipSkraba No worries then, I'm just curious because the smallrig cage can fit.
@@jeffyshabong5356 Yeah? In that case I'm guessing the Tilta will too. It's a nice cage, I just can't believe they F'd it up by not having the 1/4 20" in the middle of the cage, that's just stupid.
does it works on zv-e10?
Oh gosh no idea, I don’t own that.
Worrying about overheating at 120fps is honestly only a made up TH-cam problem. No one that actually uses this camera at any level of competency would shoot super long 120fps clips.
110% agree with you.
Well hold my beer 😂😂 I would probably be the one who would do it 😂😂😂 if not Phil I would do soooo many things wrong( I still do but not as many)
If not Phil and his videos, I would be still shooting everything in ISO 1800 and god knows ( well I doubt even he knew what I was doing) what other settings would be😂😂😂
Well if continuous shooting on a cold start yes this is overkill, but when you have everything else on and shooting for awhile then you’ll want to have that additional headroom and peace of mind to not have to worry that it shutdown and be SOL.
Also, it’s not overheating technically (for consumer protection, getting hot to the touch and dropping it, preventing lawsuits, and also for longevity of the electronic components inside), as reason why Sony has two modes: 1) default standard handheld mode; and 2) tripod high temp mode which they assume is not held held as the hand touching more than 40degC, depending on if a person has callus on their hands or not, he/she may drop it on the touch.
I want to see once the “overheating warning” comes on, how long Sony will allow before forcing full shutdown. And what would be the recovery time allowed and/or needed.
@@nomad0714 as a previous owner of both the fx3 and a7siii, I’m more than happy to use the zv-e1 over both of them. It has several advancements that make it worthwhile for anyone who cares enough to become good at filmmaking or videography.
I totally agree, I hardly ever pick up my Sony A7S3 anymore, it just sits there as a talking head camera, I mainly use the ZV-E1 as it's just so compact it makes my life easier.
now in direct sun please) cuz when you outside and temp is about 90f and humid is bad too , fan will be useless. Thanks , anyway!
why dont yall test streaming while plugged in, then ur not limited by a battery?
Well, 99.9% of us use this to film, and 99.9% of those people use a battery. In general it won’t overheat unless it’s crazy hot and you’re filming with no wind in full sun. It’s never overheated on me.
Did you try outside ?
It’s been raining here the last week, so no chance. It was about 24c inside though.
Mine doesn’t work!!! It took weeks to arrive and when I plug it into my v mount or into a wall plug nothing happens it doesn’t turn on!!!
Really? Did you try a powerbank?
try different cable, this fan is so picky…
it's annoying that the top handle is not aligned with the lens
Yes, basically it’s off to one side including the stupid 1/4 20” hole. Very annoying.
@@PhillipSkrabai guess smallrig won in that department
i like it off to the side so i can use my hotshoe ECM-B1M shotgun mic with it and have no mic cable
Ok but what about the cable clamp? I give it 2 months until that MicroHDMI port is broken with regular use. MicroHDMI is trash.
I’m not a fan of micro hdmi either, but I have it in both the a73 and a7r3 and they have survived almost 4 years with zero problems, without a cable clamp, add to that the fact I use the hdmi ports in them every single day. It really depends on how clumsy you are.
I got the tilta hdmi clamp and it blocks sd card slot… useless
I wanna be it in direct sunlight
Go for it ☀️
Should’ve done it outside
Tilta lied on the photos of the website...thats not cool....
Yeah, annoyed me too, ended up in my box of death as I just can't use it with the stupid 1/4 20" holes beneath.
You shouldn't done this test outside also.
I shouldn’t have, you’re right.
@PhillipSkraba no you shouldve done it
Oh I should have. Yeah, nah, it’s been pissing it down here recently, quite luckily. Also, who the hell films in bright sunlight, what is with you people?!
Too bad you didnt show the overheating time without the fan. With this handicap i think the FX3 is still cheaper in some sort of way with all these struggles
The FX3 is great, but I think the ZV-E1 is still 50% cheaper in most places, right? I've really come to love the ZV-E1, and I use it for most of my work, thing I really miss on it is a viewfinder, that is the one thing that I WISH it had, then in my opinion it would be perfect. That is mainly due to the fact that I'm also a photographer, and looking at the screen whilst taking photos just feels awkward and blasphemous.
@@PhillipSkraba Imo its close to the perfect video camera for that price and what it gives, but the overheating is just holding me back. And because video is important in this case the fan with all its noise is just no option. It would be like the Gameboy back in the day when you could buy optional gear such as backlight for playing in the dark and a magnifier glass :D but buying the FX3 now full price is also holding me back because im pretty sure there will be an announcement soon with its follow up with all the new good stuff and more.
@@pancakesupremacy77 lol, it's like we're waiting all the time for the next best thing. I'll be honest, I did a video on this and threw it in the box, and have never used it ever again. I use my ZV-E1 a lot, and it never overheats. I'm guessing it would in Vegas, in summer, after 30 mins, sure, but other than that it does a superb job, in fact I'm actually thinking of picking up a 2nd one for the studio.
@@PhillipSkraba you are not making it easier 😂 either way thanks for the replies and the great content! Keep doing what you love! 👍🏼
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Ok
such a rubbish video camera that you have to do all these things to it for its 4k footage
Well, you don't really. I NEVER use this thing, I just thought I'd make a video on it, if someone for example is filming in very hot conditions, it might come in handy. As for the camera, it's excellent.