Counting Germany’s ‘Invisible’ Black Population For The First Time
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- When Nana Addison pitched a business to help black people in Germany find styling services tailored to their hair and skin type, she knew from personal experience there was a market, but couldn’t prove it. Since Germany hasn’t collected information on the ethnic or racial background of its residents since the end of World War II, she had no way of showing how big the potential customer base could be. The fallout was investors rejected her funding pitch in 2018, forcing her to take the long way and finance the startup herself.
“Data is the baseline of everything,” said Addison, who successfully launched the beauty fair CURL CON and is now using the profits toward her initial startup idea Styleindi. “Black people are one of the youngest and fastest growing segment of Germany’s population -- one should assume that this valuable consumer group is worth understanding.”
The government’s rationale has long been that after the Holocaust authorities should never again be able to identify communities at risk of persecution. While the intent may be well-meaning, the resulting lack of data has effectively allowed racism to be swept under the rug by making it nearly impossible to track.
Germany’s black population -- estimated at more than 1 million people -- is now seeking to emerge from the country’s statistical blindspots and help authorities identify systemic hurdles. The first wide-scale effort to survey the community is due to launch in June after being delayed by interruptions due to the coronavirus pandemic.
The online survey known as Afrozensus will ask people of African descent about topics including their employment situation, socioeconomic status and experiences with racism. It’s organized by a Berlin-based black community group to avoid concerns about the data being handled by the government, but is supported by Germany’s Anti-Discrimination Agency.
“The things you don’t count usually don’t count,” said Daniel Gyamerah, one of the leaders of Each One Teach One, the community group organizing the project. “When nothing is officially recorded, you end up with the international day of diversity, couscous in the cafeteria, and the ‘we embrace diversity’ slogans. But nothing really changes.”
The findings could carry implications for a broad range of issues. Economists are expecting inequality to widen as the pandemic-driven global slump exacerbates existing gaps, and data from other countries show that low-paid and minorities are hit hardest. Addressing structural inequalities and racism would also help Germany remain an attractive place for future immigrants as its existing population ages and exits the workforce.
The country’s racial makeup is more complex than what’s reflected in official statistics, which divides people into two categories: Germans and those with a migration background. Even that level of detail is relatively new, with the distinction arising in 2005 after an OECD study found that children of immigrants were disadvantaged compared with ethnic German peers.
The approach lumps together diverse communities, according to Joshua Kwesi Aikins, a political scientist at the University of Kassel and senior researcher at Citizens for Europe, a partner in the upcoming survey. A child of a Swedish parent is statistically the same as the offspring of first-generation Turkish migrants. The categorization also doesn’t account for the descendants of second- or third-generation immigrants.
“A very basic problem is the idea that people who experience racism in Germany are here as a result of migration,” Aikins said. “Sinti, Roma, and black communities in Germany are examples that go back many centuries, so they aren’t always affected by migration, but certainly experience racism.”
Protests in Minneapolis over the death of a handcuffed African American underscore the danger faced by marginalized communities even in countries where racism is more openly talked about.
Millions of Germans today are descendants of former “guest workers” from countries including Turkey, Vietnam and Angola. As the term implies, they were expected to help fuel the country’s economy and then go back home. Others have ancestors who came to Germany from its former colonies, such as Namibia, Cameroon and Tanzania.
A “serious lack” of data and an “incomplete understanding of history” obscure the magnitude of structural and institutional racism in Germany, according to a 2017 report from the United Nations.
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"After the Holocaust, Germans thought authorities shouldn't be able to identify communities at risk of persecution" and that changed when and why? Why should it concern the government what my ethnical background is? That would just open a whole new big can of worms. The far right would love these statistics. There will surely turn out some "undesirable" ethnic group. It is "Germans" and "People with a migration background"(Afghans,Australians,Congolese,Eritreans,French,Italians,Luxembourgians,Syrians,etc.) for a reason, foreigners might not speak German at home and don't have an established social network in Germany, both being very important factors for life and education and both have to be concidered, i.e. when staffing schools or electing an Integrationsrat "Integration council".
2:11 Indigenous people. So Germans? :D
They mean Celtic people . Before the Christian's even existed 😂
Same thing I was wondering
white people aren't indigenous to Europe or anywhere
@@Mrmusha53 Ehm
Yes they are
@@jaklm4221 yea you've been lied to your not even full human buddy
I feel like I missed something. How are they descriminated? They just kept talking about lack of data. Are they denied jobs housing, racially profiled? Why do they need this data?
It's impossible to know the answers to those questions without any data -- that's the point.
@@sevrinwaights7426 I feel like they are looking for a problem rather than having one. I may be mistaken. I don't fully understand the issue just asking questions.
@@gerardmeadows8418 Yeah thats the thing with structural rather interpersonal racism - you often have to look for it. When you do, you find all sorts of injustices. Just a small example: in the US, infant mortality is 4.67 per 1,000 births for white non-hispanic children but 10.97 for black non-hispanic children. Further research shows that this infant mortality gap can is reduced if attending doctors are themselves black. So with the right data we can see a problem, understand a problem, and suggest solutions e.g. more black doctors. In Germany, such problems cannot be addressed since they cannot be seen let alone understood.
@@sevrinwaights7426 We actually don't understand that problem. Why exactly does the skin color of the doctor influence infant mortality?
@@herrwagnerianer1739 Right! I'm black and even I think that's the dumbest shit.
Sorry, but NO. It doesn't matter which ethnic background you have so the government is not and will not ask you that. PERIOD.
I agree 100%. It's obvious that the people in the video requested data for business matters, not for fighting racism. Data based on ethnic backgrounds certainly will be (ab)used by right wing a**holes.
But, if they want to make a survey based on giving data voluntarily, i'm ok with it.
@Jack Thomp Many of them are Germans...
I lived in Germany for a little over 2 years about 20 years ago. While I was there I met many different "Black" people in Germany. I met many Black Immigrants from Africa, but the majority of the Black people that I met were Native Germans who were mixed race, they usually had a Black Parent that either used to be in the Army and left years ago, or their parents were divorced. Many of them had never been to The US but knee that they had family here, some of them even showed me picture of their African American cousins, grandmas, etc. My point it while people may see just basic "Blackness" as the same, they arent the same, and when they do this census they should really make sure to separate by ETHNICITY too. Everyone Black in Germany isnt the same and arent connected to the country the same way. Afro Germans are an ethnicity all their own, not just a "Black" German citizen. If the government or other entities who are conducting the census dont stratify by ethnicity and only go black flat/general "Black" then essentially what you will have is a paper genocide, a sort of Ethnocide of a specific group of Germans by then being lumped in with others simply based off of skin color and not ETHNICITY. Lineage matters
I lived almost 15 years in Gemany over 13 as a civilian living where there were no racist Amerikkkan military just among Germans and they don't like to be called white they as well as the Black's are called Germans. I felt none of the Amerikkkan racism and was shocked to return to Amerikkka and find kout it had even grown worst.
There is no black, yellow etc. Community in Germany. There are only ghanaian, senegalese, somali, chinese, indian communities in germany. They dont share anything in common. Like no japanese are going to china parties, also no nigerians go to ghana parties. And why should they. Polish also dont go to romanian parties in germany.
The perspective of this video comes only from a small group of people that is brainwashed by american racial colour narratives, they allways read american books, watch american social media and mistake themselves for "black" in an african american sense. But for the most part noone is like that.
Also it is to note that most people of african descent are half caste mraning half german, so there arent that much black africans in germany. And this counting personsons of a "race" resembles the counting jews during nazi ära, when everyone with a jewish father or even grandfather was put in the statistics.
It's refreshing to see a lot of opinions on here about the situation. I think it's interesting that there are two different ways to think about it both ethically for data being used to help communities .
I think there is good and bad to it.
I don't want my data to be tracked . And also not categorized as black. WTH .
Why not?
So interesting! Thanks for sharing:)
creating problems where there is almost nothing
Says a non black person🙄
Thank for the information I had absolutely no idea about black people in Germany
I read a lot of the comments Its sad that so many ppl are ignorant to racism They have no clue at all! If I was born in Germany I would have run away from there as soon as I got the chance!
From the UK 🇬🇧 my support to the black peoples in 🇩🇪 germany to be recognised culture like in the uk and frnace and US
I am not sure why it’s important to be seen unless the invisibility leads to lack of rights and opportunities.
Da! Thats an ignorant statement Thats exactly why this dic was made Didnt you understand sny of it smh
Years ago me and my ex wife hosted and german black male. He was mixed mom was white dad was black. He had no African American culture in his life! I was really to young to understand the whole situation because i was only 7 years older than him. It was a horrible situation i was put into. We had to send him back because our house rules and my marriage. I'd love to know where and how he is doing!
Lol it’s like no matter what. My people are always complaining about something 🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️
There is no black, yellow etc. Community in Germany. There are only ghanaian, senegalese, somali, chinese, indian communities in germany. They dont share anything in common. Like no japanese are going to china parties, also no nigerians go to ghana parties. And why should they. Polish also dont go to romanian parties in germany.
The perspective of this video comes only from a small group of people that is brainwashed by american racial colour narratives, they allways read american books, watch american social media and mistake themselves for "black" in an african american sense. But for the most part noone is like that.
Also it is to note that most people of african descent are half caste mraning half german, so there arent that much black africans in germany. And this counting personsons of a "race" resembles the counting jews during nazi ära, when everyone with a jewish father or even grandfather was put in the statistics.
I’m black and plan on living in Germany for a little bit I’ve heard alot of bad things about Germany and black people is all the racism stuff really true I plan on going either way but I just wanna know to be sure
There is no black, yellow etc. Community in Germany. There are only ghanaian, senegalese, somali, chinese, indian communities in germany. They dont share anything in common. Like no japanese are going to china parties, also no nigerians go to ghana parties. And why should they. Polish also dont go to romanian parties in germany.
The perspective of this video comes only from a small group of people that is brainwashed by american racial colour narratives, they allways read american books, watch american social media and mistake themselves for "black" in an african american sense. But for the most part noone is like that.
Also it is to note that most people of african descent are half caste mraning half german, so there arent that much black africans in germany. And this counting personsons of a "race" resembles the counting jews during nazi ära, when everyone with a jewish father or even grandfather was put in the statistics.
Still a minority.
'Race' is a concept, not a scientific fact. That's part of the problem.
In Germany, with our history, asking about 'race' is an absolute no-go. It should be a no-go anywhere.
Why on earth should a government know, what colour your skin is? Which 'races' are there, Europeans, Africans, Asians? Who is a 'Black' or 'African'? Should we take the US-American approach of 'one-drop of blood' or the ones Jews were qualified after the Nuremberg Racial Laws, 'Half-Black' with two black grandparents, 'Quarter-Black' with just one?
Ahaha what the fuck are talking about. Did you even think before writing that?! Race isn’t based on scientific fact hahaha?!
There is only one race the human race , why bring Amerikkkan division of people by the color of their skin, nationality, or religion??? 15 years Germany no racism ... every dai in Amerikkka I feel racism
@@Hungarianbuttbabyy this kkk nonsense must stop
Tolle Initiative, und ich finds insbesondere gut, dass es von Schwarzen in Deutschland initiiert wurde! Die erwähnte Sichtbarkeit / Unsichtbarkeit beschäftigt mich auch seit längerer Zeit. Auf den Straßen sieht man Euch, in Politik, Kultur, Fernsehen etc. seid Ihr bis auf sehr wenige Ausnahmen nicht präsent. Hoffe, dieser kleine Baustein kann helfen, das ein wenig zu ändern!
There is no black, yellow etc. Community in Germany. There are only ghanaian, senegalese, somali, chinese, indian communities in germany. They dont share anything in common. Like no japanese are going to china parties, also no nigerians go to ghana parties. And why should they. Polish also dont go to romanian parties in germany.
The perspective of this video comes only from a small group of people that is brainwashed by american racial colour narratives, they allways read american books, watch american social media and mistake themselves for "black" in an african american sense. But for the most part noone is like that.
Also it is to note that most people of african descent are half caste mraning half german, so there arent that much black africans in germany. And this counting personsons of a "race" resembles the counting jews during nazi ära, when everyone with a jewish father or even grandfather was put in the statistics.
Sehe ich nicht so. Schon in den 1980ern war Charles M. Huber sehr präsent im deutschen Fernsehen. Damals gab es außerhalb der Großstädte kaum Schwarze Menschen im Land. Dann kamen Arabella im Trashtalk, Shary Reeves in der Sendung mit der Maus, Karamba Diaby im Bundestag, Steffie Jones und Boateng im Fußball... All diese Personen haben sicher kämpfen müssen und müssen es noch immer. Es ist nicht selbstverständlich, aber es ist sichtbar und die Öffentlichkeit ist auch nicht mehr schockiert. Bis zum Schwarzen Minister ist es sicher noch ein weiter Weg, aber unrealistisch erscheint es nicht mehr und selbst eine Schwarze Deutsche Skisprungolympiasiegerin würde die meisten wohl nicht mehr wirklich irritieren (sofern uns der Schnee nicht ausgeht). Eine Bobpilotin haben wir ja schon... Gefährdet ist es nicht dadurch, dass es so fremd wäre, sondern dass die deutsche Gesellschaft gerade an sich selbst zweifelt und sich viele wieder in die alte "Gemütlichkeit" der Nachkriegszeit oder gar davor zurücksehnen vergessend, dass man da Hunger hatte, das Leben mehr bedroht war als heute und alles ziemlich grau und öde war. So war nicht die ganze deutsche Geschichte. Aber die guten Zeiten waren eben die, wo es zum Kontakt mit der Welt kam.
Germany does not ask questions about race. The Beauty industry does galvanized data. Emerging markets must compile to supply and demands. Blacks are marginalized by prejudices.
2:48
Product placement from coca cola
Guys this video is not proved
Brown (middle east) people like turkish people in germany experience racism
Not black people generall
Really
True but black ppl are speaking up and do should other races
Endlich wird es mal angesprochen ! Danke danke danke !
From being innovative tech pioneer to being reduced to a state hosting illogical 'sociological' debates and conflicts. That's liberalism for you
While on one hand being invisible can be a good thing - conceptually; the problem is the fact that so many black got snatched and scattered through the slave trade; the history of being black.
How it matters for people looking to track their family history. Their lineage. How it’s wrong or some how bad to be black in other countries and we face intense racism because of our portrayal be it beauty standards, classism, stereotypes etc. And how because of said effect a lot of things considered “black” has been white washed, we-written, or straight up brushes under the rug and said: you didn’t exist here (or were refused to even be documented because you’re black), or simply for the crime of your skin we can’t include you “sorry”. How entire gems have been lost. So it matters for a lot of reasons beyond simple prejudice or racism.
If you want to be one sided about it: It matters for people in the states because we are the U.S 👽👍🏾 and just because…why not gather the data? There is no reason not to. Data is data. Knowledge that can be utilized in the future. Knowledge is power. Why not? For science. At this point if you want to be so objective - “I’m just asking about your skin. but racism has made skin a touchy subject. If they asked you about your height or hair color, would the defensiveness still remain?
That is a situation that has never been addressed fully, only talk of reparations without apology or accountability.
They should leave it alone and all be German and focus on a harmonious idenity that's collective nit based on race.
Wow youre ignorant I guess you didnt understand what u just saw and heard????
go out then
Haha your crazy
Wats good about these countries?
Their good
They might get killed if they speak out
Well that's a good thing! Don't try to fix something that isn't broken!
Fix British English & speak New York accent. PeaceOne-Love
Says an ignorant person Watching this dic shows the system is broken!
Why do those people complain about everything🙄
I’m black and it’s mad annoying. We always complain over the most smallest and pettiest crap. It’s no wonder people don’t like us 🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️
"Those people" woman pls, not every black person on the damn earth has something to say
Explain to me who "those people" are?
@@thecraplordsell4575 Your comment is sad and nonsensical. No matter one’s race, there are people who don’t like you. People of African descent have and are making invaluable contributions to the world. I love people regardless of their race, but I also celebrate and embrace the black skin Jesus placed on me to enter the natural world.
P.S. Life began in Africa. So, it is the first home of our common ancestors, Adam and Eve.
@@thecraplordsell4575 There is no black, yellow etc. Community in Germany. There are only ghanaian, senegalese, somali, chinese, indian communities in germany. They dont share anything in common. Like no japanese are going to china parties, also no nigerians go to ghana parties. And why should they. Polish also dont go to romanian parties in germany.
The perspective of this video comes only from a small group of people that is brainwashed by american racial colour narratives, they allways read american books, watch american social media and mistake themselves for "black" in an african american sense. But for the most part noone is like that.
Also it is to note that most people of african descent are half caste mraning half german, so there arent that much black africans in germany. And this counting personsons of a "race" resembles the counting jews during nazi ära, when everyone with a jewish father or even grandfather was put in the statistics.
United earth wide, yes take matters into your own hands, we're the only ones that can direct our own destiny.
Eine Freundin wollte für Soziologie eine Hausarbeit schreiben, wo sie auf genau das Problem gestoßen ist. Danke!
...and!....In-divi-dual-ism"!.....simple!?....😃
Igitt!
It is good the way it is no race no group … why do you need to be difrent and sensused and catagorized mannnnn whats wrong with you guys …
If theres no race group why are they not considered citizens of Germany dummy!?
I know I’m going to get hate for this but I feel Germany has the right idea of counting everyone as a citizen. Regardless of color. I’m a minority of Asian descent but I don’t look at myself as part of a separate community. I see myself as a part of a whole race a whole community of humans. 1 race the human race. Instead of trying to separate all of us let’s come together.
Only united states counts by race and you know why. Nowehere in the world does this happen.
You are the perfect example of ignorance! Didnt u hear they have to apply for citizenship when they were born there Thats racism at its best!
Europe has a long history of American English speaking communities & American English should be recognized as officially language.
Boogie dunn language for the world.
PeaceOne-Love
This was not just a global presidential campaign public service announcement for JustWar, Globalfirm for president. Inc. Bully Culture Group.
I didn't really find the video fully told a story. There weren't any examples of racism in the video. The example of racism is the lack of collection of data? Does this mean they can see racial inequities like poverty, lack of education, violence, police brutality. I don't understand what exactly proves that the lack of data means. I would like personal stories of racism in other words because there is still a possibility that Germany may have the least amount of racism occurring when compared to much more racist countries. In the US for example, I believe all black people should not be considered the same for census data because Africans and African-Americans are having different realities. Nigerians and Kenyans for example have higher salaries than African-Americans in African American communities where lots of black on black violence occurs. There's always going to be issues against immigrants, but we don't know that the data proves racism, and they seem to preemptively say that it would prove racism. Data collection is a science, and we have to do it correctly for results to be conclusive. They were so emphatic about what the results would prove without first collecting the data. That's not right.
There is no poverty, lack of education etc.
Also most only marry natives and after two generations they are white. There is no community. Some immigrants in germany are from China, some from india, somd from, kenia, some from ghana. But they dont group themselves based on a colour. The only communities that are a community and who live close together are the turkish guestworkers and their descendants who came in the 50ies and the romani communities, and there in fact is lack of education, poverty etc
These africans who grow up in germany are getting paranoid because they allways watch american tv series, Hollywood, American social media etc.
The whole media in germany is 80 percent american. And it is allways big news when in united states someone is shot by police
And because these african american people are called "black"
they think it has something to do with themselves and therefore they get paranoid. Never underestimate the influence of media.
Why do you even compare Nigerans or Kenyans with african americans and not with immigrants per se. I mean in germany there are some indians but noone ever compares them to romani gypsies, alltough they have more in common, for example the sanskrit based language
24. Which leads me to add one Remark: That the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth. I could wish their Numbers were increased. And while we are, as I may call it, Scouring our Planet, by clearing America of Woods, and so making this Side of our Globe reflect a brighter Light to the Eyes of Inhabitants in Mars or Venus, why should we in the Sight of Superior Beings, darken its People? why increase the Sons of Africa, by Planting them in America, where we have so fair an Opportunity, by excluding all Blacks and Tawneys, of increasing the lovely White and Red? But perhaps I am partial to the Complexion of my Country, for such Kind of Partiality is natural to Mankind. - Benjamin Franklin
The black Diaspora in America ironically have more [ab]original Germanic blood than modern pale-skinned Germans whose ancestors descended from slavic/english tribes.
Why are you Black people in Germany?
(Bloomberg is Jewish) Have you people seen this video of this Jewish Woman talking to Jewish News Media?
Pull up; Barbara Lerner Spectre
I understand that black people experience racism and the structural racism of the USA become more and more visible to all of us. But I feel that black people kind of import that problems or bring them here by always talking of the "black community". If they come to Germany they should try to become part of the German community. Imagine I would write about the German "white community"...
Well that you do not have to do that dear..... You do not even have to use the word "GERMAN" in America, you good, you White and you will not need to find a community of German community! Remember this is about MONORITIES especially Blacks/Africans that come here and have their hands tied and not able to get a decent job with decent pay with ALL the credentials to get the job and money! I just started seeing people of color driving City Buses, Managers in places! I am sure just about everywhere you go it is MOSTLY Germans( Whites) We don't bring anything here ......again how many times can you say you have been asked to leave, you not wanted, not served INTENTIONALLY in a store or called out of your name because you were .....we just want to be treated like the you are treated! i know I do.. I pay TAXES!!!
@@ingridarthur821 But what would be different knowing how many non-whites (who is 'white' who is 'black'?) are living in Germany.
There is no doubt that there is racism in Germany, but a census wouldn't solve that problem.
@colko I"m lost go your answer!
@Yorkie Newman Yes, that is true, I said nothing different. For some black people this may be the case. But the number of black people in germany clearly increased sharply in the last decades. And there are a lot of videos from Black people that just arrived in germany and they talk about their experience, i referred to those videos. I did with no word say that black people are not german. But you kind of proved my point, because when I said we should all be living together as one people you find a way for misinterpretation. By the way, when you say "you guys", what exactly did you mean? What do you know about me?
@Yorkie Newman Then why do you feel the need to distinguish yourself from your fellow countrymen?
Black Germany we are you!!! And we love you!!❤️
-Black America
Luqman Osman I Wonder why
Luqman Osman Move? They where brought there💀
Luqman Osman no they been their since the 15th century the same way they been here in America since the 16th century. Whatever do you mean by this “homeland”.🧐
Luqman Osman they had slaves throughout Britain? And even if so they been their for 75 years now at this point they have grandchildren who live their.🧐 but still whatever do u mean by this “homeland”
Luqman Osman No you have no clue what your talking about lmao you still haven’t answered my question lol
They should be careful of what they ask for, we are one race the human race. I never felt racism almost in Germany like I do daily back in the U.S.of Amerikkka
They allways watch american media news. And because of american racism they get paranoid.
80 percent of german Tv programm is american
Victim mentality forcing urself into an indigenous country
The only indigenous countryvis reality.
Blacknis beautiful
@@theglobalfirm get a DNA test n find out for yourself 💅💅
There is no black, yellow etc. Community in Germany. There are only ghanaian, senegalese, somali, chinese, indian communities in germany. They dont share anything in common. Like no japanese are going to china parties, also no nigerians go to ghana parties. And why should they. Polish also dont go to romanian parties in germany.
The perspective of this video comes only from a small group of people that is brainwashed by american racial colour narratives, they allways read american books, watch american social media and mistake themselves for "black" in an african american sense. But for the most part noone is like that.
Also it is to note that most people of african descent are half caste mraning half german, so there arent that much black africans in germany. And this counting personsons of a "race" resembles the counting jews during nazi ära, when everyone with a jewish father or even grandfather was put in the statistics.
Blacks with german accents lol
very strange.
I think it would be more strange if after growing up in Germany they had another accent ^^
@@rakification would be even better if Germany remained mostly white.. but we all know how that's going.
@@Bradley202 hm, depends surely for what. I'm black german, so I don't mind
@@rakification Because Europe should be mostly for Whites. Don't care what Liberals say otherwise. Yeah, I know that there are whites in Japan, China and even in South Africa, but they aren't very large in number. It seems like European Countries are being flooded intentionally.