Fun fact part 2, Sony removing the ability to install 3rd party operating systems (a feature they promised during development) caused a swarm of people to reverse engineer and hack the ability back in within a matter of days.
Yes and no, they needed the leaked keys to run the system. But yeah, they were all ps3 fat so they were running 3.55 ofw or earlier, they could have just made their own cfw back then. I am happy that people never gave up and nowadays we have HEN for people that can't downgrade to the 3.55
The real reason is privacy concerns after a team of jailbreakers started to see an opening in the other OS function, Sony was scared because people can pirate games
@@WillemDafuq69not at the time that this occurred. This would have been after the first revision (PS3 slim) at a price of $299 per unit. The only version that was overpriced was the original release, which started at $499 for the 20GB model.
Actually you probably would never know it was from this supercomputer considering the military buys a large quantity of consoles for bases rec centers (called warrior zones for army bases) or for deployment to keep morale up.
Idk about that, my unit had to reuse trash bags and merge trash into other bags to be efficient with what we had left because we were so desperate for funds that we could not even afford basic cleaning supplies so people just brought their personal toilet paper and soap to work. Money is always a concern
they couldn't force the update, the military already had the hardware they needed. This just prevented anyone else from doing it. Consoles are often sold at a loss, with the company making money on accessories, games, controllers, memberships, etc. The military wasn't buying those things, they just needed the hardware.
Sony literally made these consoles at a loss. They loss between 240 - 300 per unit sold. So the government took advantage of their pricing model which relies on subscription c game purchases, and accessories.
@@warpony123Exactly that. Someone either pocketed the difference in projected cost difference vs actual cost, or someone bought cheaper to get a pat pat "well done, good boy".
No, that's not what military grade means... You've taken the whole "lowest bidder" thing to a new level... Lowest bidder doesn't mean cheap or junky. First of all, you have to qualify to be a bidder... You have to be able to produce a product that meets all of their requirements... If you can qualify as a manufacturer, then you can enter the bidding process. Bidding isn't open to just anyone. So yeah, it's funny to make the "lowest bidder" joke, but it's all based on ignorance of the process.
They didn't need to update the console firmware... They were using Linux as their operating system and as far as I'm aware they weren't playing any games. They had full access to the consoles' functionality without needing Sony's firmware updates, and if they needed to access the hardware in a way that wasn't supported out of the box, they could write code to do so without the need to update official firmware. To boot, I'm 1,000% certain that they likely wrote a unique kernel that was likely flashed in place of any official firmware.
You are correct, basically Sony dropped official support for Linux for regular users, doesn't stop determined people who know what they're doing from continuing to use it.
This. I wanted to call bullshit on the idea that a Sony update ended the project. They wouldn't be so foolish as to update the firmware once their project was up and running.
So... one huge issue with this was Sony gimped the "Cell" in Linux mode somewhat and completely hobbled the GPU to hell and back. Also Sony was subsidizing these at launch by about $250, so they really wanted the to play games to make that back up.
@@zyxwvutsrqponmlkh That may be the case, but I'm relatively certain that if the military didn't write their own kernel for use with Linux, that they likely commissioned a unique kernel from Sony. Also, while they may have attempted to nerf the Cell Broadband, a dedicated engineer could undo that nerfing no problem with the unlimited resources that the Air force would have to throw at the project. Even private citizens were able to make better use of the hardware in Linux over time, which is why Sony backed down on touting dual boot as an option.
@dragons_red You underestimate the level of government stupid. These are people who trash and smash mail sorting machines in order to “save money on maintaince” requiring several dozen people to work overtime sorting mail by hand after every shift. They are perfectly capable of going through all this effort only to trash the entire thing after an update and spend all the money they avoided spending in the first place.
Most army laptops actually have relatively good specs. I use my own personal, but one of my commanding officers plays plenty of stuff on his army-issued laptop.
I heard Sony was sued for that update as it was an advertised feature of sale. The folks that filed the suit won, provided they could prove the OS variability was a key reason for purchase.
Y'know, electronics and technology sometimes just seem like magic, cause it's just a bunch of pieces of metal and plastic in a bunch of different little shapes all put together, and all you gotta do in run electricity through it to do ridiculously complex things. And then there are people who can just grab a bunch of consoles and then turn them into a supercomputer. Truly a marvel
Really all things electronic, even the most sophisticated AI that will ever be, are just a bunch of billions of tiny things doing 1 + 1 math very very fast
@@rexygama7697 no lol cpus have few built in logic gates and they function using boolean logic. if you ever played minecraft, it has easy to understand examples of boolean logic since redstone can only be 2 states; off or on. theres no numbers or mathematical expressions. this is true for the transistors in your cpu also. combined with the built in boolean logic gates (AND, OR, NOT, and NAND), you are able to create any kind of operation. for example, the AND gate means the 3rd transistor will only turn on if the first 2 are turned on. if either of the first 2 are turned off, the 3rd one will be off. this logic can be used for doing math, counting, and any other task you can think of
@@rexygama7697 the only problem i have with that is that it's not true. You should seek a simplification that tells the truth, so people reading can learn the truth
@@mrow7598womp womp. war is bad and everyone loses. Stop trying to justify war crimes on both sides. Both don't care about the everyday individual anyway.
@@Asn-xh9nqbro you're insane if you think the atomic bombing ( both killing around 250,000) is the same as the Japanese killing almost 10 million civilians. Just in the one event the rape of Nanjing killed 350,000 civilians. You need help.
This wouldn't have affect USAF since they were already running Linux and had their own tech guys and devs to ensure updates and security so basically Sony just stopped them from pulling this kinda stuff in the future.
Sony thought they disabled the USAF supercomputer, but by the end of the year, someone released a complete "jailbreak" of sony's security for the device. I think both entities learned a good lesson, that the military shouldn't trust or buy anything from sony, and sony learned that things aren't going to go the way they want if they try to screw over the military.
Yeah there's no way MILITARY won't flash the firmware with what they need. Boi, volunteers regularly get hacked drones for Ukrainian army, tons of them have geo restrictions and I supposed most aren't really programmed to aim at nearest russian.
Sony taking a hard L here. Money is money and if they can provide for the FING US MILITARY!!! Which is free money for them.....I..Wow. What a stupid move to make but hey I'm not the one making the mistake here I guess.
@@orsonstarbuck HA you're funny. If it aint broke dont expect them to fix it. The US armed forces has some tech older than the first playstation. In 2015 the US Navy commissioned continued support for the Windows XP operating system because they had legacy software that would only run on it. Not y'know... update their software to run on an OS that isnt 23 years old.
@@randomguyontheinternet5030 I used do contract IT work at a Chem Lab as a system admin. Once you have incredibly sensitive lab hardware calibrated, coded, and stable, you don't want updates/upgrades potentially breaking your code. Especially when performing dangerous experiments. Only online PCs need to be updated/upgraded. For offline PCs, stability is the #1 priority.
@@TerryMoorer-m7e same for console... did you think consoles don't have sales? or that they don't have grey markets? not to mention both Xbox and Playstation have subscription models that give you access to different games on a monthly basis
@@cyryl3827don’t worry he is full of bias and so are many pc players. I have both a ps5 and pc so I can say that consoles are a better deal. Let them live in a delusion
@@-Sam69 I have a PC, a Switch and a PS5. Long story short : PC is superior. The reason why is simple : I can customise my computer and every software that I use on it and thus have greater ease of use or a better game with less bugs and more content (thanks mods). You can't do that with a Console, hence it's lesser. It's not bad, just lesser. To me, a console is a overpriced overly limited PC. Nothing more.
PS3 > Have a powerful 8-core processor > Is the most affordable high--grade blueray player you can buy in 2007 >Used in a supercomputer system >Have no games for the first 6 years of its life >Refuses to elaborate
The elaboration is that the PS3 was a PAIN to develop for it's architecture is nothing like a normal computer and most people don't know how to effectively write for it
@@KatelynS0209 that's wild... i haven't looked into so much detail but it seems like, if anything, the cell processor thing was easier to develop high performance computing software than games for. also game developers would need to spend effort that would be useful on one console to make good use of it but it didn't matter for the military
@@dramforever the chips in the PS3 were very powerful but they were different from most other computers. The differences is also why even though the PS3 is more powerful specs wise games usually run better on the 360 because they're better optimised for it, the 360 is built like a Mac of all things which is fairly easy to develop for. Other Xbox systems are literally just running a heavily stripped down and modded versions of windows, in fact there was an exploit that let you run the windows command prompt on the Xbox One and Series systems about a month ago.
@@KatelynS0209 gaming systems other than the 360 were all nothing like a normal computer until the PS4/Xbone era. The Switch still is not x86/x64 complaint.
Sony stopped third party OS because it made hacking the PS3 ridiculously easy. They were sued and lost the class action lawsuit. I got like $20 which was nothing really.
It didn't, the ps3 wasn't fully broken open until after otheros was removed, as removing it pissed off the linux users and meant many more people were now invested in a hack
Then they got hit with that huge security breach that stopped PS Online for like a month. I was on 360 thankfully where it would drop for a few hours but felt bad for my friends that had Playstations.
Man i had to quit watching that show, because even though it's sci-fi, it isnt necessarily too far off from reality (at least particularly nowadays) Sure the whole aspect of Pi being all knowing and predicting any potential outcome is a bit of a reach, but man it did gice me the heebie jeebies. I think i seen an article that theyre wanting to use AI to prevent potential crimes when a subject may have the thought to do so, think it was out of England and part of their cctv network. Read it a few years ago so i dont exactly have a source to quote.
Of course it could be "updated to perform new tasks". The air force couldn't replace failed PS3s with new ones, but the cluster still worked just fine.
@@RuneKatashimaNot only would they not have to update, but companies like this will actually contract out specialized support to governments or militaries to provide support passed the end of the life of a product. For instance, the US military still uses a ton of windows XP machines for critical infrastructure, so Microsoft has a contract to supply specialized security updates for XP long after they had stopped updating it publicly.
Funner fact! back in early 2004, Sony presented the PS3 chip architecture to Apple as a possible core from which apple could build its new generation of computers, the powerpc architecture was being phased out at this time and apple was seeking outside options to lower in house costs. When Sony presented it, Steve jobs himself took one look at the schematics and performance specs and laughed them out of the building, claiming their chipset was so woefully underpowered and prone to glitches, apple would be better off using the processor system from the PSone then the PS3.
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This happens because most consoles are sold expecting to pay their cost with games. So they basically solved an exploit
The PS3 was sold at a loss, with Sony earning profits through game sales. Entities like the military, universities, and even astronomy labs purchased PS3s but didn’t buy the games. Nevertheless, the Cell processor was exceptionally powerful for its era.
@@TWEAKLETI mean it was more expensive to develop on the production line. The Cell was only better than the CPU on the earliest base PS4s, there was no reason to use it anymore as it was far too expensive.
@@GunnerHeatFire Its a complete myth that the ps3 cpu is better then the ps4. 1- the cell processor was great for millitary usage not for gaming, so even if it was for gaming it wouldnt compare in games. 2- Modern CPUs support things like 64 bit floating points, many x86 extensions etc that would make optimzing programs and running programs much better then the cell. 3- because of modern manufactering proccesors, lets say that on paper a pentium from 2004 is better then a modern i9(obviously not the case, theoretical). With modern cpu manufactering, the i9 in practice would be 10x better. 4- The tests done on a ps3 vs ps4 only show the ps3 being better on certain cases that is just better for the ps3 because of the cell processor. PS4 is a faster and better cpu, ps3 was just more optimized for supercomputers.
As long as they don't try jumping into the ocean we all should be fine. A lot of military drones and other machinery are being configured to work with videogame controllers. Most militaries are full of men below age 25, so they're probably familiar with games, and replacements are easy to come by and cheap.
For a second, I was about to praise Sony for not being greedy about their hardware proprietorship like the rest of their industry, but consumers can’t have nice things.
@@andrefilipe6757 if consoles had developed a homebrew scene, they'd earn more. Easily could have made dev kit models more expensive like Net Yaroze was for PS1. PS3 lost the race of its console gen so they failed to cash in opportunity. Hell later models don't properly hardware emulate PS1/2/P either.
They did it to prevent potential access to the hypervisor though otherOS, unfortunately for sony in doing so they pissed off the whole homebrew scene who not only got access back to linux but full hypervisor access making piracy possible, oops
@@Bluefalconspiracies I know you're joking but house across me was literally droned in may 2023 because thanks to a prick leaking our entire air defense on Discord russians knew we'd be down on air defense missiles so went all-in. We fixed our capabilities soon but my neighbours weren't resurrected. And whoever leaked our summer counter-offensive plans cost way more lives. That's why we made sure NOBODY in USA knows about Kursk.
I love my original PlayStation 3 Fat Back. It’s the one with 4 usb ports, the little flap that opens and, can play PlayStation 2 games! It runs just as good as the day I got it. Truly the best overall console/blu ray player.
This was done with the original XBox and XBox 360 as well. The super computers were generally kept in a gapped network, so nothing could happen without the admin's control. This was also the first real implementation of GPGPU as the PIII was not too powerful, but adding in the GPU made the setup respectable.
We've got the 4th computer ever made at our city's Science Museum! It's called CSIRAC,and was built in 1956. It had 1.92 kb of RAM, Disc cap of 5.12kb, weighed 2 tons and used 30,000 watts of electricity! You would need 559,241 CSIRAC's to perform the same functions as a 2014 era Smart phone !!!
@@GunnerHeatFire Yes at Scienceworks in Spotswood. Before silicon chips, before transistors - it uses Valves! Apparently it lit up like a Christmas tree when it was functional
and after Sony did that, class action lawsuit happened and eventually I do believe those who were in the lawsuit got about $90USD back from sony as the second OS feature was heavily advertised and a major buying point for getting the PS3
That was the only time the government was efficient with your money. A supervisor found out about the $8 million they saved and immediately fired everyone.
Military budgeting is rather strange. Every Company receives a set budget to spend during the fiscal year. If they have any money left over at the end of the year, that money is "clawed back," and their next year's budget is reduced to what they spent in the previous year. That's why they "waste" money doing things like replacing 400% of the mops and floor buffers for their barracks; they use the money or they lose it. The "overcharging" for items is Defense Contractors sucking on the military funds like it's a milkshake.
@@andrewdreasler428 It's like if your boss looked at you finances, realised you can save half of your yearly earnings, and then cut your salary in half. Leave it to the government to find the most idiotic ways of thinking and doing things.
@lucasmitchell9027 ironically I can see the logic behind whatever military accountant came up with the idea. Private: "Instead of using all this manpower we don't have to audit every unit in the military, why don't we just use the expense records to set the budget. The 'day to day' expenses don't swing that wildly, so, whatever they spend out of the initial allowance is what their annual budget going forward." General: "Sounds good, each year's expenses will set the next year's budget!" Private: "You misunderstand, we do this ONCE, to get a baseline for each unit, then add a little buffer. After that, we just multiply the amount by the cost-of-living increase each year to keep up with inflation." General: " No costly audits! Just slash the fat off every year! Hoo Haah! I'm a fucking GENIUS!" Private: (internal sigh) "May I be dismissed for chow? The Mess Hall will be closing lunch in ten minutes." (Yes, I deliberately avoided both "Hoo Ahh!" And "Ooo Rah!" As I did not want to pin this General on sny branch without giving them a fair trial first.)
@@lucasmitchell9027 it's how government budgets have functioned for the last 75 years. I worked in a library and we had to spend every dime of our discretionary budget three months before the end of the fiscal year. If we didn't , the funds would be frozen so we COULDN'T spend it and then be reduced the next year because we didn't spend it.
You know what there is a supercomputer in Jordan called Iman 1 it was built from 2,260 Sony PlayStation 3 devices The project started in January 2010 and the IMAN1 was fired up in October 2011. It is now being used by Jordanian universities for science and engineering research. the IMAN1 claims 25 teraflops. That gives it about a third the processing power of the 500th most powerful computer in the world, according to the November 2012 TOP500 list
They kept updating but you could still flash firmware, my much later PS3 definitely has custom loader and I updated it without being tech savvy. Never put a disc in it, just installed games from PC.
Fun fact: After that, Sony then purchased a bunch of Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet jet engines from the US military which Sony decided to use as cooling fans for the PS4.
thats patently wrong, the government can change the task on the Linux or BSD OS as much as they would want, they would just opt to not upgrade the Firmware on the Playstation. Once they were setup they were likely in other OS the entire time.
STI cell processor had some pretty interesting architecture for the time. PowerPC and more like a mainframe with co-processing units. Difficult to use well, but core architecture design is more than just speed.
Fun fact part 2, Sony removing the ability to install 3rd party operating systems (a feature they promised during development) caused a swarm of people to reverse engineer and hack the ability back in within a matter of days.
Yes and no, they needed the leaked keys to run the system. But yeah, they were all ps3 fat so they were running 3.55 ofw or earlier, they could have just made their own cfw back then. I am happy that people never gave up and nowadays we have HEN for people that can't downgrade to the 3.55
its probably the military hacking it
Imagine some military engineer reading a forum post on how to crack their 1760 Playstation 3's.
Was that what lead to the PlayStationNetwork crash or am I mixing this up with something else? 🤔
@@MarkusMöttus-x7j possibly, theres been several outages; this one would have been around April of 2010 if it was related
I'm just imagining Sony trolling the Military after they spent 2 million on PS3s.
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I know these mfers definitely pushed out that update on purpose.
The real reason is privacy concerns after a team of jailbreakers started to see an opening in the other OS function, Sony was scared because people can pirate games
Yeah, but 2M for the military is like two missiles.
yep...
It only took 1,700 of em to build this supercomputer, the team took home the rest of them
GIVE ME A BREAK. THE PS3 WAS OVERPRICED AS HELL.
@@WillemDafuq69not at the time that this occurred. This would have been after the first revision (PS3 slim) at a price of $299 per unit. The only version that was overpriced was the original release, which started at $499 for the 20GB model.
@@_ch1pset i got a fat ps3 like no games came out for it then the disk drive broke, robbed of 600$
@@darkestgreenmewtwo my original 60gb still works fine after almost 20 years... you got unlucky.
@@_ch1pset Unlucky or reckless.
Game Stop was like "We'll give you $100 for all of them 😊"
Best I can do is $75 on GameStop credit
That used to be the case, gamestop actually gives really good deals now.
“Where did you buy this refurbished PS3 ?”
“The Department of Defense.”
1st Reply, here's a notifcation. I hate you and myself.
Actually you probably would never know it was from this supercomputer considering the military buys a large quantity of consoles for bases rec centers (called warrior zones for army bases) or for deployment to keep morale up.
Actually yes you can buy them mystic Ryan a PlayStation TH-cam channel actually bought a refurbished the department of defense PS3
department of terrorism more like.
😂😂😂😂😂
A very rare instance of the military thinking about money as a limited resource
You must be a veteran/current service member as well. My exact same thoughts lol
Na Im sure they think that way when they send out my paycheck 😂
Saving money on satellite imagery means more funding for “implemented democracy”
Yes that was my exact thought! 😂
Idk about that, my unit had to reuse trash bags and merge trash into other bags to be efficient with what we had left because we were so desperate for funds that we could not even afford basic cleaning supplies so people just brought their personal toilet paper and soap to work. Money is always a concern
I am 1759 PlayStation 3 short of having a former super computer.
I am 1760 PlayStation 3 short of having a former super computer.
@@Joe-sg9ll your smartphone is more powerful than the apollo 11
@@Joe-sg9ll you think it was somewhere in a warehouse?
@@Joe-sg9llwe did too, very fun fact that marked a new era in humanity, especially with how it wouldn't have been feasible to fake it in the 60s.
@@Joe-sg9llfaking thousands of documents of space shuttles and other things wouldn’t seem very possible would it?
The military trying to save money is a tough thing to imagine
Says no one whos ever been in the militery militery buy cheapestcrap possible for 90% of their needs
And if its some dumb mention 9n budget militery isnt even a qourter of the wellfare budget
Sony has balls to troll the military like that
they couldn't force the update, the military already had the hardware they needed. This just prevented anyone else from doing it. Consoles are often sold at a loss, with the company making money on accessories, games, controllers, memberships, etc. The military wasn't buying those things, they just needed the hardware.
Sony isn't American
@@kikosawathey're an ameircsn ally as in Japanese. Also the Playstation division is tied to the ameircna studio heavily.
Sony: that's for dropping 2 atomic bombs on us.
@@alienalchemist It didn't affect them whatsoever bro. Doug, final point is completely unnecessary.
Remember people. Military grade just means the cheapest thing that still works.
Sony literally made these consoles at a loss. They loss between 240 - 300 per unit sold. So the government took advantage of their pricing model which relies on subscription c game purchases, and accessories.
@@warpony123Exactly that. Someone either pocketed the difference in projected cost difference vs actual cost, or someone bought cheaper to get a pat pat "well done, good boy".
@@warpony123There was no subscription with the PS3, online was completely free.
@@warpony123Also Xbox and Nintendo sell their consoles at a loss as well, this is nothing new.
No, that's not what military grade means...
You've taken the whole "lowest bidder" thing to a new level...
Lowest bidder doesn't mean cheap or junky.
First of all, you have to qualify to be a bidder...
You have to be able to produce a product that meets all of their requirements...
If you can qualify as a manufacturer, then you can enter the bidding process. Bidding isn't open to just anyone.
So yeah, it's funny to make the "lowest bidder" joke, but it's all based on ignorance of the process.
They didn't need to update the console firmware... They were using Linux as their operating system and as far as I'm aware they weren't playing any games. They had full access to the consoles' functionality without needing Sony's firmware updates, and if they needed to access the hardware in a way that wasn't supported out of the box, they could write code to do so without the need to update official firmware. To boot, I'm 1,000% certain that they likely wrote a unique kernel that was likely flashed in place of any official firmware.
You are correct, basically Sony dropped official support for Linux for regular users, doesn't stop determined people who know what they're doing from continuing to use it.
This. I wanted to call bullshit on the idea that a Sony update ended the project. They wouldn't be so foolish as to update the firmware once their project was up and running.
So... one huge issue with this was Sony gimped the "Cell" in Linux mode somewhat and completely hobbled the GPU to hell and back.
Also Sony was subsidizing these at launch by about $250, so they really wanted the to play games to make that back up.
@@zyxwvutsrqponmlkh That may be the case, but I'm relatively certain that if the military didn't write their own kernel for use with Linux, that they likely commissioned a unique kernel from Sony. Also, while they may have attempted to nerf the Cell Broadband, a dedicated engineer could undo that nerfing no problem with the unlimited resources that the Air force would have to throw at the project. Even private citizens were able to make better use of the hardware in Linux over time, which is why Sony backed down on touting dual boot as an option.
@dragons_red You underestimate the level of government stupid. These are people who trash and smash mail sorting machines in order to “save money on maintaince” requiring several dozen people to work overtime sorting mail by hand after every shift. They are perfectly capable of going through all this effort only to trash the entire thing after an update and spend all the money they avoided spending in the first place.
Military industrial complex trying to save money for the first time ever
"Chappie" was more realistic than i thought
I honestly think they got that part for the movie from this fact.
Surprisingly so
Fuckin' loved that movie
I missed the beginning of the movie, can you fill me in?
@@johnmcwick1 basically there was a guy who was doing any of that because it wouldnt have
-fun- fact: if RTX 4090 was there at that time, they could've built with only almost 7 of them to get 500TFLOPs
That’s impressive.
Extremely impressive
Incredibly impressive
Astoundingly impressive
Remarkably impressive
Imagine the US army all playing Doom on 1760 PS3s , hilarious image to think about
Everyone from the North American Aerospace Defense Command playing god of war.
*_1760 PS3's can probably run modern games tho-_*
Most army laptops actually have relatively good specs. I use my own personal, but one of my commanding officers plays plenty of stuff on his army-issued laptop.
Ps3 can run gta5, my calculator can run doom
That would be enough GPU power to play DOOM on "The Sphere"!
I heard Sony was sued for that update as it was an advertised feature of sale. The folks that filed the suit won, provided they could prove the OS variability was a key reason for purchase.
Y'know, electronics and technology sometimes just seem like magic, cause it's just a bunch of pieces of metal and plastic in a bunch of different little shapes all put together, and all you gotta do in run electricity through it to do ridiculously complex things. And then there are people who can just grab a bunch of consoles and then turn them into a supercomputer. Truly a marvel
Really all things electronic, even the most sophisticated AI that will ever be, are just a bunch of billions of tiny things doing 1 + 1 math very very fast
@@rexygama7697 no lol cpus have few built in logic gates and they function using boolean logic. if you ever played minecraft, it has easy to understand examples of boolean logic since redstone can only be 2 states; off or on. theres no numbers or mathematical expressions. this is true for the transistors in your cpu also. combined with the built in boolean logic gates (AND, OR, NOT, and NAND), you are able to create any kind of operation. for example, the AND gate means the 3rd transistor will only turn on if the first 2 are turned on. if either of the first 2 are turned off, the 3rd one will be off. this logic can be used for doing math, counting, and any other task you can think of
@@bmxscape I know it's boolean algebra at the lowest level, I'm just oversimplifying
Yeah life is crazy. And all that material exists because a star got really hot and forged elements
@@rexygama7697 the only problem i have with that is that it's not true. You should seek a simplification that tells the truth, so people reading can learn the truth
I can only imagine a large room of people trying to figure out how to get these parts, then one person yells"I have an idea"
Mr Krabs I have an idea!!!
😂😂😂😂
“I just had an idea that’s so dumb, it could actually work!”
Sony never forgot what the US military did to Japan in 1945 💀💀
How many POWs and Chinese will never forget what Japan did to them.
How many times can people want to remember @@mrow7598
@@mrow7598womp womp. war is bad and everyone loses. Stop trying to justify war crimes on both sides. Both don't care about the everyday individual anyway.
@@Asn-xh9nqbro you're insane if you think the atomic bombing ( both killing around 250,000) is the same as the Japanese killing almost 10 million civilians. Just in the one event the rape of Nanjing killed 350,000 civilians. You need help.
@@DubGamin420atomic bomb aren't war crimes bud. Womp womp
“We need 1,760 PlayStations”
“1,761, sir, the kid’s been begging me for one since march”
Breaking news: Nuclear warhead detonated over Sony HQ
Makes sense why Sony moved the PS HQ out of Japan into America. America can't bomb America, can they?
This wouldn't have affect USAF since they were already running Linux and had their own tech guys and devs to ensure updates and security so basically Sony just stopped them from pulling this kinda stuff in the future.
Sony thought they disabled the USAF supercomputer, but by the end of the year, someone released a complete "jailbreak" of sony's security for the device. I think both entities learned a good lesson, that the military shouldn't trust or buy anything from sony, and sony learned that things aren't going to go the way they want if they try to screw over the military.
Yeah there's no way MILITARY won't flash the firmware with what they need. Boi, volunteers regularly get hacked drones for Ukrainian army, tons of them have geo restrictions and I supposed most aren't really programmed to aim at nearest russian.
Sony taking a hard L here. Money is money and if they can provide for the FING US MILITARY!!! Which is free money for them.....I..Wow. What a stupid move to make but hey I'm not the one making the mistake here I guess.
There was always eBay....
sony said we hate it when people buy nearly 2000 of our devices
"ferb, I know what we're gonna do today"
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@@DiegoGarcia-zt4ne agreed!
Agreed
Sony was like: This is for WW2
But Japan was at fault during the entirety of the war
Sony: teehee, no third party
Military: teehee, THIRD AND FOURTH SUN DROP TIME
It was Japans chance at revenge for WW2 lol
I do appreciate that the military tried to save costs.
For once…
Probably ONLY because they were between appropriations cycles. That $2 million super computer was probably soon replaced by the real thing.
@@orsonstarbuck HA you're funny. If it aint broke dont expect them to fix it. The US armed forces has some tech older than the first playstation. In 2015 the US Navy commissioned continued support for the Windows XP operating system because they had legacy software that would only run on it. Not y'know... update their software to run on an OS that isnt 23 years old.
@@randomguyontheinternet5030just as long as that shit is air gapped. 👍
@@randomguyontheinternet5030 I used do contract IT work at a Chem Lab as a system admin.
Once you have incredibly sensitive lab hardware calibrated, coded, and stable, you don't want updates/upgrades potentially breaking your code. Especially when performing dangerous experiments.
Only online PCs need to be updated/upgraded. For offline PCs, stability is the #1 priority.
It’s a common business practice to sell consoles at a loss. That’s partly why games are so expensive.
one issue. PC games cost the same console games do... they had for a couple of years now.
true for when this PS3 super computer was made though
I dont think many people buy pc games at full price. Alot of people i know what for sales or buy keys from grey markets.
@@TerryMoorer-m7e same for console... did you think consoles don't have sales? or that they don't have grey markets? not to mention both Xbox and Playstation have subscription models that give you access to different games on a monthly basis
@@cyryl3827don’t worry he is full of bias and so are many pc players. I have both a ps5 and pc so I can say that consoles are a better deal. Let them live in a delusion
@@-Sam69 I have a PC, a Switch and a PS5. Long story short : PC is superior.
The reason why is simple : I can customise my computer and every software that I use on it and thus have greater ease of use or a better game with less bugs and more content (thanks mods). You can't do that with a Console, hence it's lesser. It's not bad, just lesser.
To me, a console is a overpriced overly limited PC. Nothing more.
He started with the Air Force, but switched to the Army halfway through? Not exactly the same organization...
Ps3 supercomputer before gta 5 is crazy
....sneaky bastard.
They took console wars to the next level. 😂
PS3
> Have a powerful 8-core processor
> Is the most affordable high--grade blueray player you can buy in 2007
>Used in a supercomputer system
>Have no games for the first 6 years of its life
>Refuses to elaborate
The elaboration is that the PS3 was a PAIN to develop for it's architecture is nothing like a normal computer and most people don't know how to effectively write for it
@@KatelynS0209 that's wild... i haven't looked into so much detail but it seems like, if anything, the cell processor thing was easier to develop high performance computing software than games for. also game developers would need to spend effort that would be useful on one console to make good use of it but it didn't matter for the military
@@dramforever the chips in the PS3 were very powerful but they were different from most other computers.
The differences is also why even though the PS3 is more powerful specs wise games usually run better on the 360 because they're better optimised for it, the 360 is built like a Mac of all things which is fairly easy to develop for.
Other Xbox systems are literally just running a heavily stripped down and modded versions of windows, in fact there was an exploit that let you run the windows command prompt on the Xbox One and Series systems about a month ago.
I wouldn't consider the 7 SPEs as "cores", but i get why you wod
@@KatelynS0209 gaming systems other than the 360 were all nothing like a normal computer until the PS4/Xbone era.
The Switch still is not x86/x64 complaint.
No wonder PS3 had such a massive shortage
Aint no way Sony beefing with the army
Sony stopped third party OS because it made hacking the PS3 ridiculously easy. They were sued and lost the class action lawsuit. I got like $20 which was nothing really.
It didn't, the ps3 wasn't fully broken open until after otheros was removed, as removing it pissed off the linux users and meant many more people were now invested in a hack
Then they got hit with that huge security breach that stopped PS Online for like a month. I was on 360 thankfully where it would drop for a few hours but felt bad for my friends that had Playstations.
In Iraq, we had 16 man Halo extravaganzas. More intense than walking outside the tent.
Did this count as PT?
@@pxrxy It sure did.
this happened to my grandpa in iwo jima
“To take a break from war we played war.” Makes sense to me.
@@seanpayne2470 you’re grandpa played video games in Iwo Jima.
$10 Million is like pocket change to the Air Force! That's like 12 hours of their annual operating budget! You think I'm joking? Go look it up! 😂
Now I know where that plot point in Person of Interest comes from...
Man i had to quit watching that show, because even though it's sci-fi, it isnt necessarily too far off from reality (at least particularly nowadays)
Sure the whole aspect of Pi being all knowing and predicting any potential outcome is a bit of a reach, but man it did gice me the heebie jeebies. I think i seen an article that theyre wanting to use AI to prevent potential crimes when a subject may have the thought to do so, think it was out of England and part of their cctv network.
Read it a few years ago so i dont exactly have a source to quote.
literally my first thought!
@@100GTAGUYyou should finish it, the show is extremely good.
Didn’t know person of interest was popular enough for Doug here to talk about how Root fixed the machine with PlayStations. That’s awesome.
Dude I love that show. Just finished rewatching all of the episodes
Underrated comment
@@Vicu-me3dk thanks. I thought it was funny.
@@jokercardzz ahhh. Rewatching POI is always a blast. I need to do a rewatch myself.
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Of course it could be "updated to perform new tasks". The air force couldn't replace failed PS3s with new ones, but the cluster still worked just fine.
Fun fact: The US Air Force were the first to discover the Yellow Light of Death (often abbreviated as YLoD)
Imagine being Sony when they realize they ruined a government supercomputer 💀
It didn't affect the military at all. Doug's last point is superfluous.
@@RuneKatashimaNot only would they not have to update, but companies like this will actually contract out specialized support to governments or militaries to provide support passed the end of the life of a product. For instance, the US military still uses a ton of windows XP machines for critical infrastructure, so Microsoft has a contract to supply specialized security updates for XP long after they had stopped updating it publicly.
>Air Force
>Army
Choose your character.
Can you imagine the guy who got that order to place the order to Sony. and the guy on the receiving order :D
"You need HOW many....????"
Funner fact! back in early 2004, Sony presented the PS3 chip architecture to Apple as a possible core from which apple could build its new generation of computers, the powerpc architecture was being phased out at this time and apple was seeking outside options to lower in house costs. When Sony presented it, Steve jobs himself took one look at the schematics and performance specs and laughed them out of the building, claiming their chipset was so woefully underpowered and prone to glitches, apple would be better off using the processor system from the PSone then the PS3.
This happens because most consoles are sold expecting to pay their cost with games. So they basically solved an exploit
Okay but can it run Doom and Crysis?
Can it play doki doki is the real question-
@@B.A.productions First you have to find someone who played it on console😂
Everything can play those...
The real question is: can it play Microsoft Flight Simulator?
@@Better_Clean_Than_Green I played Doki Doki on PS5 😂
@@irrespondible as a big fan of simulators, I am quite intrigued by this thought.
The PS3 was sold at a loss, with Sony earning profits through game sales.
Entities like the military, universities, and even astronomy labs purchased PS3s but didn’t buy the games.
Nevertheless, the Cell processor was exceptionally powerful for its era.
On paper, the cell in the ps3 was more powerful than the cpu that was in the base ps4
@@borrellipatrickNot even on paper, it WAS just better.
But much more expensive to develop.
@@GunnerHeatFire then why not just continue to use it if the development costs are already paid
@@TWEAKLETI mean it was more expensive to develop on the production line.
The Cell was only better than the CPU on the earliest base PS4s, there was no reason to use it anymore as it was far too expensive.
@@GunnerHeatFire Its a complete myth that the ps3 cpu is better then the ps4.
1- the cell processor was great for millitary usage not for gaming, so even if it was for gaming it wouldnt compare in games.
2- Modern CPUs support things like 64 bit floating points, many x86 extensions etc that would make optimzing programs and running programs much better then the cell.
3- because of modern manufactering proccesors, lets say that on paper a pentium from 2004 is better then a modern i9(obviously not the case, theoretical). With modern cpu manufactering, the i9 in practice would be 10x better.
4- The tests done on a ps3 vs ps4 only show the ps3 being better on certain cases that is just better for the ps3 because of the cell processor. PS4 is a faster and better cpu, ps3 was just more optimized for supercomputers.
How many lightning strikes 😂 I love you man
OceanGate took some notes from this
As long as they don't try jumping into the ocean we all should be fine.
A lot of military drones and other machinery are being configured to work with videogame controllers. Most militaries are full of men below age 25, so they're probably familiar with games, and replacements are easy to come by and cheap.
For a second, I was about to praise Sony for not being greedy about their hardware proprietorship like the rest of their industry, but consumers can’t have nice things.
Sony lost a lawsuit over the other os patch.
Sony sells those consoles at a loss. If thousands of consoles are sold but don’t buy games, it’s millions in lost revenue.
@@andrefilipe6757 if consoles had developed a homebrew scene, they'd earn more. Easily could have made dev kit models more expensive like Net Yaroze was for PS1. PS3 lost the race of its console gen so they failed to cash in opportunity. Hell later models don't properly hardware emulate PS1/2/P either.
They did it to prevent potential access to the hypervisor though otherOS, unfortunately for sony in doing so they pissed off the whole homebrew scene who not only got access back to linux but full hypervisor access making piracy possible, oops
This is the best PlayStation ad I’ve ever seen
PlayStation 9, teleport yours today.
I love good info!
The real story here is somebody somewhere with some amount of conscience avoided govornment overspending.
Yeah but compromised security
@@Kyle-nm1khAs long as you can win arguments in Warthunder forums a little security lapse here and there isn’t so bad
@@Bluefalconspiracies I know you're joking but house across me was literally droned in may 2023 because thanks to a prick leaking our entire air defense on Discord russians knew we'd be down on air defense missiles so went all-in. We fixed our capabilities soon but my neighbours weren't resurrected.
And whoever leaked our summer counter-offensive plans cost way more lives. That's why we made sure NOBODY in USA knows about Kursk.
Kinda got “five hundred cigarettes” vibes
Fun fact: the dreamcast was ahead of its time and had amazing games.
American viewer here! I love the information in your videos. Thanks for putting them out!
Imagine you want to send a satellite to Jupiter but got red screen of death.
Imagine working at Sony and seeing the world's strongest military order 1500 PlayStations 💀
I miss when people used "😂" instead of "💀"
@@Samsung-1.9Cu.Ft.Microwave💀
@@Samsung-1.9Cu.Ft.Microwave Remember, the human gets dumber each day, it's just a side effect😅
L@@Samsung-1.9Cu.Ft.Microwavewhy , they basically mean the same thing so I don't see why's that a thing to be nostalgic about
@@Better_Clean_Than_Green💀
I love my original PlayStation 3 Fat Back. It’s the one with 4 usb ports, the little flap that opens and, can play PlayStation 2 games! It runs just as good as the day I got it. Truly the best overall console/blu ray player.
PS3s was not on my list of what i expected, but that was the single best opening line to a short, possibly ever.
This was done with the original XBox and XBox 360 as well. The super computers were generally kept in a gapped network, so nothing could happen without the admin's control. This was also the first real implementation of GPGPU as the PIII was not too powerful, but adding in the GPU made the setup respectable.
We've got the 4th computer ever made at our city's Science Museum!
It's called CSIRAC,and was built in 1956.
It had 1.92 kb of RAM, Disc cap of 5.12kb, weighed 2 tons and used 30,000 watts of electricity!
You would need 559,241 CSIRAC's to perform the same functions as a 2014 era Smart phone !!!
Melbourne?
@@GunnerHeatFire Yes at Scienceworks in Spotswood. Before silicon chips, before transistors - it uses Valves! Apparently it lit up like a Christmas tree when it was functional
@@graphite2786Thought so! Awesome!
and after Sony did that, class action lawsuit happened and eventually I do believe those who were in the lawsuit got about $90USD back from sony as the second OS feature was heavily advertised and a major buying point for getting the PS3
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Wrong info.. graphic cards was not top of the line and was not the reason.. it was the CPU Cell processor which was way ahead of its time.
Can you imagine walking in as gamer and seeing that for the first time ..Epic!!
That was the only time the government was efficient with your money. A supervisor found out about the $8 million they saved and immediately fired everyone.
Military budgeting is rather strange. Every Company receives a set budget to spend during the fiscal year. If they have any money left over at the end of the year, that money is "clawed back," and their next year's budget is reduced to what they spent in the previous year.
That's why they "waste" money doing things like replacing 400% of the mops and floor buffers for their barracks; they use the money or they lose it.
The "overcharging" for items is Defense Contractors sucking on the military funds like it's a milkshake.
@@andrewdreasler428why can't they just buy a bunch of milkshakes for the boys instead of buying expensive mops
@@andrewdreasler428 It's like if your boss looked at you finances, realised you can save half of your yearly earnings, and then cut your salary in half.
Leave it to the government to find the most idiotic ways of thinking and doing things.
@lucasmitchell9027 ironically I can see the logic behind whatever military accountant came up with the idea.
Private: "Instead of using all this manpower we don't have to audit every unit in the military, why don't we just use the expense records to set the budget. The 'day to day' expenses don't swing that wildly, so, whatever they spend out of the initial allowance is what their annual budget going forward."
General: "Sounds good, each year's expenses will set the next year's budget!"
Private: "You misunderstand, we do this ONCE, to get a baseline for each unit, then add a little buffer. After that, we just multiply the amount by the cost-of-living increase each year to keep up with inflation."
General: " No costly audits! Just slash the fat off every year! Hoo Haah! I'm a fucking GENIUS!"
Private: (internal sigh) "May I be dismissed for chow? The Mess Hall will be closing lunch in ten minutes."
(Yes, I deliberately avoided both "Hoo Ahh!" And "Ooo Rah!" As I did not want to pin this General on sny branch without giving them a fair trial first.)
@@lucasmitchell9027 it's how government budgets have functioned for the last 75 years. I worked in a library and we had to spend every dime of our discretionary budget three months before the end of the fiscal year. If we didn't , the funds would be frozen so we COULDN'T spend it and then be reduced the next year because we didn't spend it.
You know what there is a supercomputer in Jordan called Iman 1 it was built from 2,260 Sony PlayStation 3 devices The project started in January 2010 and the IMAN1 was fired up in October 2011. It is now being used by Jordanian universities for science and engineering research. the IMAN1 claims 25 teraflops. That gives it about a third the processing power of the 500th most powerful computer in the world, according to the November 2012 TOP500 list
This could've been Sony's biggest marketing opportunity of all time and they just updated the software to not work 😭
Sony really showed the military who's in charge 😂
FurryNonsense what are you doing here? I love your videos
Missed opportunity to go with 1776 PS3s
It just wasn't possible to update the official Sony software. But they were able to update the third party system without issue.
Ultra high resolution satellite imagery looks like batman tech in the dark knight movie
“Yeah, I game” ahh computer.
I still can't believe they did that update. So many people bought PS3's to turn into lenox boxes.
You could still get around the security that prevented 3rd party software, by then it wasn’t even worth running Linux unless you explicitly needed to.
Because the PS3 was sold at a loss. Everyone buying and not buying games were costing them money.
@@I.C.Weinerno, its because there was an exploit in the "other os" feature found tgat allowed for soft modding
They kept updating but you could still flash firmware, my much later PS3 definitely has custom loader and I updated it without being tech savvy. Never put a disc in it, just installed games from PC.
@@ItsCOMMANDer_there was no exploit in otherOS however sony messed up private key generation for ps3 pre 3.55 so it always used the same parameters
RISC-V goes hard
The PS3 was not riscv
That's PowerPC. A really ridiculous version with a few microcontroller style tiiiiiiny coprocessors with a different architecture inside.
Fun fact: After that, Sony then purchased a bunch of Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet jet engines from the US military which Sony decided to use as cooling fans for the PS4.
thats patently wrong, the government can change the task on the Linux or BSD OS as much as they would want, they would just opt to not upgrade the Firmware on the Playstation. Once they were setup they were likely in other OS the entire time.
And two days later, the CEO gets a polite knock on the door with armed reinforcements
The CEO is in Japan.
Fun Fact: You shouldn't state in this clip BOTH Air Force and Army, it was Air Force only (Air Force Research Lab, specifically)
Japan went, "shit we just empowered the US military"
“Dude, why aren’t you checking the readings.”
“Hold on I’m about to win this round on cod”
Sony:
Allow access to continue!
U.S. Military:
We may have a problem!
Thats where Person of Interest got that idea
Ahhh the ps3, it had the best racing game ever and it was used by our military.
“Private, have you unloaded all 1759 ps3s off the trucks yet?”
“Yes Sargent I’ve unloaded all 1758 ps3s off the trucks”
I remember this when it came out. It was really interesting that PS3 could do that.
I can imagine the US Air Force looking hard at Sony like "Y'all better quit fooling around" when that happened
The ultimate Beowulf Cluster.
Sounds like Sony fumbled a potentially lucrative military contract
The custom designed CPU of the PS3 was actually the real gem that made this supercomputer kick
so THAT’S where that person of interest ps3-operating Machine plot arc came from!
I remember reading about this when it was first announced. And now I feel old.
I think Sony wouldn't dare to finish a literal military operation
My grandpa operated supercomputers in like the 70s-80s
It’s strange, US would give them tons of money, they was just like “nah you can’t do that” for no reason
STI cell processor had some pretty interesting architecture for the time. PowerPC and more like a mainframe with co-processing units. Difficult to use well, but core architecture design is more than just speed.
Sony getting an order of 1760 discount
PS3s to an undisclosed military base:
Super Computer...?
*I have no mouth and i must scream PTSD kicks in*
Omg i remember this.
I could only imagine how pissed the military was when that update came out
I love that in one phrase he just said they “wired them together” even though that would have easily been the largest undertaking of the whole project