I'm still fine with people calling me an ex new ager. It's easier to remember. I'm, like, 80% ex new thoughter, 20% ex new ager. But it's so important to know that both of these aren't the same thing. I still have a lot to learn, but am enjoying the journey.
I'm learning so much as well...I am so thankful to have been led to Doreen Virtue, as I, too, was raised in Christian Science 😔 (New thought!) Just as delighted to have found you through Doreen as well! 🤗 I 'came to Jesus' at age 14, but took some sideroads as an adult 🙄 After the Lord had Mercy & rescued me almost 25 years ago, He's helped me find the Discipleship I missed being raised in C.S... I'm 71YO now, and it's been a slow slog🙄 I appreciate this post SO much- perhaps the Lord will include your using your own experiences and research to actually be able to offer a tutorial/mentoring Class at some point! I would sure sign up! I can see Doreen in that picture. God is surely continuing to gift you both❣Thank you, and the Lord's best Blessings during Thanksgiving and Christmas! 🛐📖🔥🕊❤
Regardless if it’s new age/thought or Christ consciousness, it’s all reskinned ancient religions…As is the outer space, heliocentric model. It’s all about putting on the spiritual (astronaut suit) and transcending to a godlike state by reaching for the stars. It’s all the same old lie repackaged for modern day people.
Melissa, thank you for breaking this down so thoroughly, and in an understandable way. Diaghrams are always very helpful...see it, say it, write it, is the best way to remember. You know, once a person knows these terms, its amazing how often one hears them in movies (Hallmark!!), tv shoes, etc. It is permeating our culture Subtlely, wily like a fox.....and people embrace this stuff not knowing. Thats why being educated, especially through people who have lived some of this and can speak from experience.....priceless. Thank you for all you do Melissa; always grounded in the Word.
Near the end, you mentioned that New Thought is more dangerous than New Age because it comes in looking and acting like Jesus when it is far from what He actually taught. This reminded me of a Charles Spurgeon quote: “discernment is not knowing right from wrong, but right from almost right.” Awesome video, as always! Love you, Melissa!
This is the reason people need to clarify what people mean when they say certain things by asking questions. They could say what sounds the same, but is totally different.
And despite the colors in the circles, this video is not sponsored by MasterCard lol Sorry I had to throw a joke in there, I recently stumbled up on your videos and they're helping me understand a lot more things so I had to subscribe. God bless❤
My cousin is into new thought. She never read the Bible. She once asked me where in the Bible can she read about Christ consciousness, and when I told her there is no such thing in the Bible she was shocked. They also think Bible is not complete, and that they have found some scrolls that are the true Bible. Her brother and herself and fighting very serious illnesses. She told me she is doing what Jesus did: she said "They asked Jesus how he heals people, and Jesus replied he imagines them in their glory." I told her there is no such thing in Bible. She said "well then how did he heal people?" I said because He was God. He just spoke the words and they came true. She was speechless. I am so afraid for her and don't know how to make her see the truth.
The whole bible shows God's conscience ( Jesus " Yeshua " means Salvation in Hebrew ).. ex: the merciful Samarithan , Jesus is Mercy itself.. John 1 - Jesus is God from the very beginning
@Lrasm13 As Melissa explained in the video, "Christ consciousness" is a New Thought idea where every person comes to "consciousness" of their "inner Christ" and divinity. They do not define Christ as the person Jesus, they see it as basically a heightened state of spiritual enlightenment, like the idea of Nirvana. It is not what you are referring to, which is God having a conscience, or being a conscious being Himself. So no, there is no such thing as "Christ consciousness" in scripture, which is why the original comment had to to tell their family member that it's nowhere in the Bible to be read.
Does she have her own bible? If you think she'd be even a little willingly, maybe give her one as a present. With some highlighters or a notebook to keep track of personal stand-out verses 😊
Keep your cousin in your prayers and The Lord can use you to bring her to the truth. Prayer is powerful and The Lord can transform through your prayers. God Bless you and your family! ❤
You obviously are passionate about these systems/movements. I imagine you were quite a powerhouse as a new believer, too! I’ll watch anything you produce. We have to have ppl who are brave enough to go out on a limb and explain (over and over if necessary). New Thought is a pernicious lie. It is practically undetectable without someone willing to divide the Word of Truth from this lie! Thank you!
@@cousin.scooter Read the words of Jesus, over and over in the Gospels. Do not confuse them with the words of Paul. The Roman Emperor Constantine in 300AD elevated the words of Paul because they defined control. Constantine was a brutal conqueror for 50 years. He worshipped Mithrais and though he said he was "Christian" he worshipped that Roman God. Read what Jesus said and do not idolize the words of Paul
My mother was more into the occult, but my Dad was a Christian Scientist. The two terms "New Thought" and "Gnosticism" were not on my radar until recent years. I was looking into the accusation that Mary Baker Eddy (Christian Science) had plagiarized from Phineas Quimby who is credited with being one of the leaders of the New Thought Movement. I also discovered a helpful and general description of Gnosticism in my NIV study notes in 1st John. I'm anxious for further discussion of this, as it has been a source of confusion for much of my life. When I accepted Christ as my Savior, it raised quite a stir in my Family - They couldn't understand how I had regressed to a more primitive materialistic and literal view
Melissa, this was so timely. Your shaking off the last vestiges of the deceptive slime we are drowning in publicly is a wonderful part of your testimony of Christ actually bearing good fruit. ❤❤❤❤❤
This is very interesting to me. Thanks for explaining it. I see I was new age and not new thought, but as a new Christian I can say I saw new thought everywhere in the church. I am glad you are speaking on this...this is an area that really needs attention.
I am so glad that God has placed it on your heart to “annoy” us with this ! Your videos are so necessary. You do not realize how much these videos are currently helping me. Lord willing, maybe one day, I’ll share my numerous testimonies on TH-cam when I have the courage to do so. But as of right now, I only pray that your videos reaches the audience that you are trying to target. I pray that your videos will wake these self-professing Christians from their sleep and cause them to turn from their errors. Keep doing what you are doing !
About 11 years ago, my father, mother, sister, and brother-in-law went into New Thought. At the time, there was little literature available to help me discern their newfound belief. I would ask them questions and write down the answers just so I could research the phrases. It took me three years to narrow their beliefs down to Gnosticism/New Thought. It took me an additional two years to have a conversation with them about it due to the many rabbit holes I would encounter. Talking to them was like walking in the fog... it was hard to see them. Melissa, I'm so grateful you've done the work and will publish your findings so that others won't have to scramble to find the answers. It's a very elusive belief system, so I'm glad you are helping others nail some things down. Thank you for being obedient.
Yeah I was raised in the word of faith and deconstructed into new thought, which turn into new age, which turned into witchcraft before I heard the true gospel and Jesus saved me.
I was into both New Age and New Thought and have heard New Thought referred to as Christian Science. And that was part of the appeal for me. I was introduced to New Thought by Wallace D. Wattles and his books The Science of Getting Rich and the Science of Being Well and Florence Scovel Shinn's books Your Word is Your Wand and The Game of Life and How to Play It. I was so lost and confused, but now I am found by the grace of the Heavenly Father. 🙏🏿 Great video Melissa! Thank you.
I'm new to the faith though I grew up in the church. None of these concepts were explained to me and I really appreciate you breaking them down in an easily digestible way. It's helping me to parse through all the information sent to me and build up my discernment muscle. God bless you sister!
AMEN SISTER AMEN CHILDREN IM SO GLAD YOUR SAYING THIS IT WAS ON MY HEART BUT EVERTHING HAS SPEEDED UP AND I REALLY DON'T HAVE THE TIME KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK LOVE BUCK ❤
How comfortable Christ Consciousness concept is...God is within me so therefore I don't have to aim, to look, to seek His Presence, I'm self reliant, I can do everything for myself. Incredible arrogance. I pray for all who have been deceived to come to their senses.
I didn't find it comfortable at all, the opposite in fact, there was a great gaping hole that no matter what I did, who I sought answers from or meditated on never felt fulfilled, these forms of self serving beliefs just take you round and round in never ending circles and keeps you hooked in under the premise that if it's all within then it must be me, I'm missing something, I'm doing it wrong, I need more answers and on and on and on it goes.
What you wrote here is a misperception and a distortion, simply because you don't know. Its hard to know other people's hearts or their intentions. That's okay, we all make mistakes, often formed by other people's negativity and again, presumptuous and unfounded accusations. But let's not perpetuate the accusations, the railing on others and the disparaging of them or one another - especially when ill-founded or ill-informed. We still gotta love one another. You can never go wrong doing that. ❤
Great video. I think I have been into every aspect of both until I felt like I was at a dead end and indeed I was. Relativism is so insidious and it's everywhere. Thank you for shining a light on it.
Thanks Melissa. This brings a lot of clarity to what I am seeing in the church right now. It is hard to recognize. I new from the first few weeks the church I was going to said many things I couldnt agree with. But as you said, ecause they blend, or bend scripture in its hard to recognize. Once you trust the spirit of God within you to guide in all truth, then you start to see these New Age teaching everywhere. Not just in the mega churches, but in the small churches to.
Thank you for doing this research and for writing your book. I am going to get a few copies and and give them to Christians I love who practice these principals and think they are biblical.
I agree that New Thought is much more dangerous. That’s where I now see that this is where I was in my 30+ years in a charismatic church. Such overlap in “scriptural” interpretation, and as a teenager I was so attracted to the “secret power” that I craved over my life. I’m just so grateful to have your explanation- it helps me make sense of things as I keep untangling my prior misunderstanding and establish truthful understanding of scripture. Thanks so much!
I was reading Dr. Caroline Leaf book/devotional. I got to day 165 when I finally realized she is teaching new thought. Every single day you read "your true self". I threw the book in the trash.
@deedeeharders9238 I have not seen or heard Dr Leaf use New Thought ideas from the perspective of achieving a higher self and Christ consciousness, only how to reframe negative thoughts so that the enemy no longer has a foothold. Can you please help me with more info? Thank you.
I was raised in a Protestant home, always attended church and considered myself Christian. I began reading self help books to deal with stress and happiness (by Hay House authors) in 2000 and over 15 years New Age and New Thought were introduced to me. Unknowingly. In 2016 I became a member of a much more Biblical church and realized it. Sadly, it’s small steps that move a person way of course. Excellent video and work Melissa.
The Gospel of Malarkey 😂 I really appreciate this video: tying new age to Eastern Mysticism and new thought to gnosticism (with the explanation of gnosticism - that was all new to me) has really helped it all make sense. Thank you 😊
I have several friends/acquaintances that dabble in crystals, energy, mother earth, vibrations/frequencies, ghost/spirit hunting ect. and they probably do not understand what they're actually involved with. In the past I have been of some assistance in explaining some things to 'em and other times, not at all. So, prayer continues for my ability to get through to them, but it's always in God's time-frame. I'll just "be still and KNOW" and keep my wits and patience about me. ha ha...........Great vid, again, Melissa. Keep it up!
These ideologies take credit for your achievements, and blames you for your failures. But it goes further to blame you for the toxic people who hurt you. The whole house of cards falls apart when you ask what is the point of children being molested? The idea that that was a “teaching moment” is completely heartless.
Since I'm less than a year of a born-again Christian I NOW see as in reading and hearing the Bible some of the scripture new thought/ new age cherry picked from the Bible. I remember hearing, "I am, that I am" or "be still and know" which my mom's spiritual center (that I used to attend) had a closing song about. I have mistakingly been using "new age" as a category for these philosophies / beliefs that are new thought. I'm glad you are clarifying this in your book. I do need to order copy.
I came from three generations of new thought. My great grandma (my maternal grandfather’s mother) was a Christian Scientist, my mom and grandma were students of A Course in Miracles.” I accepted Jesus’ invitation and gift when I was 10. However I struggled with maturing because of the confusion of my multigenerational New Thought influence that was so ingrained in our family life. I am still having revelation of what is the actual Truth. The fact that Jesus was physically resurrected was a recent revelation. I somehow after all of these years of studying the word I kept over looking that he literally was physically resurrected and is physically vs spiritually existing in heaven sitting at the right hand of God interceding for His flock. Definitely New thought Christianity is very detrimental and dangerous for Christians.
Thank you Melissa for your clear explanation of New Thought and New Age. I have been fascinated by the prosperity gospel, MLM's, mysticism and their existence in Christian communities over the past century, but I have never come across the term New Thought before. You have definitely added some important context to what I thought I knew. In case you haven't come across her work already , you might enjoy Kate Bowler's research into the Prosperity Gospel in Christianity.
Please talk about your encounter with spirits because I want more people to know and understand how dangerous it is. I have voice recordings and had some terrible experiences all because I opened doors to those spirits when I was messing with the occult. It’s something I’ve been trying to warn people about for years.
When you mentioned aura you put in parentheses next to it use of oils. I would love if you could explain more on that, like use of essential oils being rooted in new thought as well?
Oils were precious in the time of Jesus... equal to or more precious than gold. The sacred space of a Temple was purified by the scent of oils. Capitalism took this to a whole new level of "marketing"
Thanks for showing the error of New Thought. It is amazing how this has influenced the Church. Not just NRA and Prosperity but also Progressive Christianity. I realised that this teaching was prominent in the 70s & 80s in Sales Coaching through Robert Schuller and Og Mindino.
He's on my list to do a deep dive on. I also mention him quite a few times in my book Happy Lies. He's definitely hard to ignore with studying New Thought!
According to this, from the time I decided to engage the occult in 2005 to my peak over about 8 years, I was an overlapper of your illustrated model, but didn't carry a label other than occultist. I dove in the deep end with a convenient mentor who became a close friend, who taught me most of what you talked about.
New Thought is extremely seductive. I lost a dear friend several years ago into the false "Christ Consciousness" belief. She believed God was speaking to her directly to "correct" the errors in Scripture. Despite several, multi-hour long discussions with her, and even a semi-public debate with her, she remained lost. Your explanation of New Thought and Christ Consciousness is spot on. Thank you so much for everything you are doing, Melissa!
In the 1970s when I was a teenager, it appears I was practicing new thought along with my Christian search to be closer to Christ. I was truly born again about 5 years ago. Satan sets many traps in a lot of people’s journeys.
Yeah, I referenced the video I made on this in the past and even read an excerpt from it. Also, in recent deep-dive videos, I've mentioned this info too. I've never done an in depth video on it though, which is what this is.
I LOVE your videos! But, I have to admit that this one was THE MOST SUCCINCT one I've watched on the "New Age" topic. I say "New Age", because in the past 18 -20 years of reading up about occultism (in it's various forms ... & there are many!) infiltrating the church, I've never heard of New Thought. You have just added another piece to the puzzle for me. Thank you for your steadfastness and warning to the church!❤
AMEN MELISSA I HAVENT SEEN ANYONE WITH YOUR SPIRITUAL DISCERNMENT ON THIS MATTER MAY JESUS BAPTIZE WITH THE HOLY GHOST AND FIRE THIS WILL DEMAND THE PATIENCE OF JESUS ON EACH OF YOU LOVE BUCK ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
I was able to locate a book published in 1890 on witchcraft. It is a miracle the book survived. Before giving myself to Christ, I belonged to various pagan, Wiccan, and Druid groups. The "witchcraft" in the 1890 bore no resemblance to the paganism practiced today. "New Age" literally is new.
I would love to hear your analysis of the “crystal vortex” phenomenon around Sedona Arizona and the “intentionality” involved in charging crystals. It seems to be a confluence of new age and new thought but I don’t have much experience in that world view.
First time watching but this video explains something that had perplexed me. People who claimed to be Christians who seemed to go off on Evangelical (I hadn't really understood what the difference was in their minds) as well as so many professed Christians who believed in the sins of the father transferring to the children *ie:reparations and white guilt* So much of that goes against Christian teaching but now I understand why Very informative
Great video! I've heard so much about both and I know so many Christians that practice both. It has made me question some of their beliefs and I can lean towards that sometimes. The thought thinking things and needing to control your thoughts because it affects your outcome. Can you please explain how this is different than having a positive mindset?
What I'm missing is information about new age in the sense of 'a new era, a paradigm shift, the age of Aaquarius'. And in that sense, it also means leaving behind 'old thought' and accepting 'new thought'.
Sure, it could be about accepting a new way of thinking, but New Thought itself is its own movement. It has its own set of beliefs and claims to be Christian. New Thought would align itself with the acceptance of this as it's a position of spiritual tolerance. But the "Age of Aquarius" is originated with New Age, and not a New Thought idea touted as a Christian concept. Hope that's helpful
@@MelissaDoughertythanks for the clarification. I should have realised that the distinction is that New Thought specifically calls itself 'Christian'.
I don't want to drag this out, there are more important things, but I've been searching a bit and Constance Cumbey, who wrote 'Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow' (of which I publish the Dutch edition), says in her book that one of the names the New Age Movement is also known by is New Thought. I remembered that vaguely, and that is why I mentioned it here. I get what you are trying to say, but perhaps it's interesting to dig a bit deeper and find out why she puts it under the New Age umbrella. New Thought is mentioned in this list in her book (a list with other names for the New Age Movement), quote: 'The Aquarius Conspiracy, Humanistic Psychology, Network Movement, New Thought Religion, New Church, The Third Wave, The Third Force, New Consciousness, Transcendental Movement, Human Potential Movement, New Spirituality, Secular Humanism, Humanism.'
Melissa I would really like you to look at all the churches the Kardashians have been involved in. "No sermons, no praying, no word" in their words. Basically a concert.
So timely as this stuff is everywhere! “Christian” influencers peddle new thought all over IG. Convincing someone this stuff is not biblical is so challenging. Because you are the narrow minded one missing out on “true Christianity”. 🙄
I was taught as a Reiki level one healer that its roots was in christian orthodoxy, so i would put it in new thought, it could have been "bull" idk. Thanks for your clarity
Melissa, I have recently caught on to your channel and really have appreciated you apologetics. Particularly in regard to New Thought and Word of Faith. I have a multi-layered question. We are saved by faith through grace and not by works... How the narrow gate is described as opposed to the wide path, is where my question lies. Legalism seems to lead to asking what is the minimum to be done to be graced with heaven, but we are to work out our own salvation in being grateful for salvation... So we aren't to be boasting by earning, but we are doing so out of gratitude... To love the Lord is to obey, and since we cannot free ourselves from sin, all we can do is try, knowing that we will fail and then repent and try harder... This is then the issue of grace. Since God causes the rain to fall on the unjust as well as the just and he chooses to whom he will give mercy. We are to try harder but we can do nothing on our own. We are to be the ant and not the sluggard. If we don't work we don't eat... Finally we are to be judged and our sins are forgiven, but we will receive rewards in heaven...which is not from works... Or is it by intention or sincerity and not ability...? Judgement is different... those that have more biblical knowledge will be held more accountable. Thus the more you know, the narrower the gate and the less excuse we have to sin and not follow the word more closely. (Ignorance is bliss in a way?) Since we cannot judge another's salvation, yet we are to evangelize to make disciples, how are we to not to seem legalistic because our gate is narrower than someone else's? Thanks, e
I guess I'm glad I never got involved in those. Way too much work for my interests. I'm glad you explained them. I'm also thankful to be OLD age (yes chronological as well as spiritually) and OLD thought (going for what has stood the test of time). I am a servant of God Almighty through submission to and cleansing of sin and the teaching of Jesus Christ, having been born again baptized by His Holy Spirit. Thank you, Melissa, for your teaching and confirmational challenge for me to live what I claim to be. I cannot be the Christ aka Messiah. Only He is and will be.
Thanks Melissa. Not something I would feel comfortable preaching on, I just don't have that level of in depth grounding in the subject. But, it is essential that this message is spread far and wide. The church has been under this deception for way too long. We hardly recognise it for what it is any more. I'm sending it to everyone!
I'm still fine with people calling me an ex new ager. It's easier to remember. I'm, like, 80% ex new thoughter, 20% ex new ager. But it's so important to know that both of these aren't the same thing.
I still have a lot to learn, but am enjoying the journey.
I'm learning so much as well...I am so thankful to have been led to Doreen Virtue, as I, too, was raised in Christian Science 😔 (New thought!) Just as delighted to have found you through Doreen as well! 🤗 I 'came to Jesus' at age 14, but took some sideroads as an adult 🙄 After the Lord had Mercy & rescued me almost 25 years ago, He's helped me find the Discipleship I missed being raised in C.S... I'm 71YO now, and it's been a slow slog🙄 I appreciate this post SO much- perhaps the Lord will include your using your own experiences and research to actually be able to offer a tutorial/mentoring
Class at some point! I would
sure sign up! I can see Doreen in that picture. God is surely continuing to gift you both❣Thank you, and the Lord's best Blessings during Thanksgiving and Christmas! 🛐📖🔥🕊❤
Wow. A lot to take in. Thanks for explaining a lot of it, though.
Regardless if it’s new age/thought or Christ consciousness, it’s all reskinned ancient religions…As is the outer space, heliocentric model. It’s all about putting on the spiritual (astronaut suit) and transcending to a godlike state by reaching for the stars. It’s all the same old lie repackaged for modern day people.
The Grace He Shows us , , we are obligated to share with others...seek and you shall find
Melissa, thank you for breaking this down so thoroughly, and in an understandable way. Diaghrams are always very helpful...see it, say it, write it, is the best way to remember. You know, once a person knows these terms, its amazing how often one hears them in movies (Hallmark!!), tv shoes, etc. It is permeating our culture Subtlely, wily like a fox.....and people embrace this stuff not knowing. Thats why being educated, especially through people who have lived some of this and can speak from experience.....priceless. Thank you for all you do Melissa; always grounded in the Word.
Near the end, you mentioned that New Thought is more dangerous than New Age because it comes in looking and acting like Jesus when it is far from what He actually taught. This reminded me of a Charles Spurgeon quote: “discernment is not knowing right from wrong, but right from almost right.” Awesome video, as always! Love you, Melissa!
She said “Whigity whack”!😂 New Thought is very deceptive and I used to be caught in that trap. I really like the way Melissa breaks this down.
What about Taylor Welsh? Is he new thought?
I lol’d when she said “the book of malarkey”
How do we exit the mixture?
Love this breakdown! So important to understand these subtleties that can easily creep its way into the church and our doctrine.
This is the reason people need to clarify what people mean when they say certain things by asking questions. They could say what sounds the same, but is totally different.
And despite the colors in the circles, this video is not sponsored by MasterCard lol
Sorry I had to throw a joke in there, I recently stumbled up on your videos and they're helping me understand a lot more things so I had to subscribe.
God bless❤
Thank you for your humility and honesty. Never lose that. Enjoy your content because of this honest reflection. God bless you!
My cousin is into new thought. She never read the Bible. She once asked me where in the Bible can she read about Christ consciousness, and when I told her there is no such thing in the Bible she was shocked. They also think Bible is not complete, and that they have found some scrolls that are the true Bible. Her brother and herself and fighting very serious illnesses. She told me she is doing what Jesus did: she said "They asked Jesus how he heals people, and Jesus replied he imagines them in their glory." I told her there is no such thing in Bible. She said "well then how did he heal people?" I said because He was God. He just spoke the words and they came true. She was speechless.
I am so afraid for her and don't know how to make her see the truth.
The whole bible shows God's conscience ( Jesus " Yeshua " means Salvation in Hebrew ).. ex: the merciful Samarithan , Jesus is Mercy itself.. John 1 - Jesus is God from the very beginning
@Lrasm13 As Melissa explained in the video, "Christ consciousness" is a New Thought idea where every person comes to "consciousness" of their "inner Christ" and divinity. They do not define Christ as the person Jesus, they see it as basically a heightened state of spiritual enlightenment, like the idea of Nirvana. It is not what you are referring to, which is God having a conscience, or being a conscious being Himself. So no, there is no such thing as "Christ consciousness" in scripture, which is why the original comment had to to tell their family member that it's nowhere in the Bible to be read.
Just prayed for your cousins - God is working in their lives through you!
Does she have her own bible? If you think she'd be even a little willingly, maybe give her one as a present. With some highlighters or a notebook to keep track of personal stand-out verses 😊
Keep your cousin in your prayers and The Lord can use you to bring her to the truth. Prayer is powerful and The Lord can transform through your prayers. God Bless you and your family! ❤
You obviously are passionate about these systems/movements. I imagine you were quite a powerhouse as a new believer, too! I’ll watch anything you produce. We have to have ppl who are brave enough to go out on a limb and explain (over and over if necessary). New Thought is a pernicious lie. It is practically undetectable without someone willing to divide the Word of Truth from this lie! Thank you!
Beautifully said!
@@cousin.scooter
Read the words of Jesus, over and over in the Gospels.
Do not
confuse them with the words of Paul.
The Roman Emperor Constantine in 300AD elevated the words of Paul because they defined control.
Constantine was a brutal conqueror for 50 years.
He worshipped Mithrais and though he said he was "Christian" he worshipped that Roman God.
Read what Jesus said and do not idolize the words of Paul
My mother was more into the occult, but my Dad was a Christian Scientist. The two terms "New Thought" and "Gnosticism" were not on my radar until recent years. I was looking into the accusation that Mary Baker Eddy (Christian Science) had plagiarized from Phineas Quimby who is credited with being one of the leaders of the New Thought Movement. I also discovered a helpful and general description of Gnosticism in my NIV study notes in 1st John. I'm anxious for further discussion of this, as it has been a source of confusion for much of my life. When I accepted Christ as my Savior, it raised quite a stir in my Family - They couldn't understand how I had regressed to a more primitive materialistic and literal view
Been in that same spot...🛐
But God...👐📖🙏🎶🔥🕊
Blessings...💞
Melissa, this was so timely. Your shaking off the last vestiges of the deceptive slime we are drowning in publicly is a wonderful part of your testimony of Christ actually bearing good fruit. ❤❤❤❤❤
This is very interesting to me. Thanks for explaining it. I see I was new age and not new thought, but as a new Christian I can say I saw new thought everywhere in the church. I am glad you are speaking on this...this is an area that really needs attention.
I am so glad that God has placed it on your heart to “annoy” us with this !
Your videos are so necessary. You do not realize how much these videos are currently helping me.
Lord willing, maybe one day, I’ll share my numerous testimonies on TH-cam when I have the courage to do so. But as of right now, I only pray that your videos reaches the audience that you are trying to target.
I pray that your videos will wake these self-professing Christians from their sleep and cause them to turn from their errors.
Keep doing what you are doing !
About 11 years ago, my father, mother, sister, and brother-in-law went into New Thought. At the time, there was little literature available to help me discern their newfound belief.
I would ask them questions and write down the answers just so I could research the phrases. It took me three years to narrow their beliefs down to Gnosticism/New Thought. It took me an additional two years to have a conversation with them about it due to the many rabbit holes I would encounter. Talking to them was like walking in the fog... it was hard to see them. Melissa, I'm so grateful you've done the work and will publish your findings so that others won't have to scramble to find the answers. It's a very elusive belief system, so I'm glad you are helping others nail some things down. Thank you for being obedient.
Agreed
We still need to be praying for our country 🙏🇺🇸🙏
New Thought sounds like the prosperity gospel.
Yes, she says this in another video. She mentions Joel Olsteen as an example
Exactly! And I was heavily into Joel Osteen who's preaching reeks of New Thought.
Yeah I was raised in the word of faith and deconstructed into new thought, which turn into new age, which turned into witchcraft before I heard the true gospel and Jesus saved me.
I was into both New Age and New Thought and have heard New Thought referred to as Christian Science. And that was part of the appeal for me. I was introduced to New Thought by Wallace D. Wattles and his books The Science of Getting Rich and the Science of Being Well and Florence Scovel Shinn's books Your Word is Your Wand and The Game of Life and How to Play It. I was so lost and confused, but now I am found by the grace of the Heavenly Father. 🙏🏿 Great video Melissa! Thank you.
I used to love Florence's books. Thankful for God's mercy with all of that error.
I'm new to the faith though I grew up in the church. None of these concepts were explained to me and I really appreciate you breaking them down in an easily digestible way. It's helping me to parse through all the information sent to me and build up my discernment muscle. God bless you sister!
AMEN SISTER AMEN CHILDREN IM SO GLAD YOUR SAYING THIS IT WAS ON MY HEART BUT EVERTHING HAS SPEEDED UP AND I REALLY DON'T HAVE THE TIME KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK LOVE BUCK ❤
How comfortable Christ Consciousness concept is...God is within me so therefore I don't have to aim, to look, to seek His Presence, I'm self reliant, I can do everything for myself. Incredible arrogance. I pray for all who have been deceived to come to their senses.
I didn't find it comfortable at all, the opposite in fact, there was a great gaping hole that no matter what I did, who I sought answers from or meditated on never felt fulfilled, these forms of self serving beliefs just take you round and round in never ending circles and keeps you hooked in under the premise that if it's all within then it must be me, I'm missing something, I'm doing it wrong, I need more answers and on and on and on it goes.
What you wrote here is a misperception and a distortion, simply because you don't know. Its hard to know other people's hearts or their intentions. That's okay, we all make mistakes, often formed by other people's negativity and again, presumptuous and unfounded accusations. But let's not perpetuate the accusations, the railing on others and the disparaging of them or one another - especially when ill-founded or ill-informed. We still gotta love one another. You can never go wrong doing that. ❤
@concoxxion2964 My writing is sent to the people who deceive others.
@@DonnalezI agree with your statement of feeling uncomfortable.
Great video. I think I have been into every aspect of both until I felt like I was at a dead end and indeed I was. Relativism is so insidious and it's everywhere. Thank you for shining a light on it.
So grateful for your video on this topic - I was unaware of the term and the practice. I will have my eyes open from now on.
Melissa, thank you! I love listening to you!
You are describing word of faith that we were involved in for years! It created such sad outcomes for so many. Thank you for this video.
Thanks Melissa. This brings a lot of clarity to what I am seeing in the church right now. It is hard to recognize. I new from the first few weeks the church I was going to said many things I couldnt agree with. But as you said, ecause they blend, or bend scripture in its hard to recognize. Once you trust the spirit of God within you to guide in all truth, then you start to see these New Age teaching everywhere. Not just in the mega churches, but in the small churches to.
Every time I hear these hashed out I find a new little sneaky worm trying to get past us!
This was so good. Very informative and so needed. Thank you & I will be sharing. So many need to become aware of this. 🔥🔥🔥
I am excited for the book!
Thank you for doing this research and for writing your book. I am going to get a few copies and and give them to Christians I love who practice these principals and think they are biblical.
thank you for your quick, pointing out of the “he gets us” ploy
I agree that New Thought is much more dangerous. That’s where I now see that this is where I was in my 30+ years in a charismatic church. Such overlap in “scriptural” interpretation, and as a teenager I was so attracted to the “secret power” that I craved over my life. I’m just so grateful to have your explanation- it helps me make sense of things as I keep untangling my prior misunderstanding and establish truthful understanding of scripture.
Thanks so much!
I was reading Dr. Caroline Leaf book/devotional. I got to day 165 when I finally realized she is teaching new thought. Every single day you read "your true self". I threw the book in the trash.
@deedeeharders9238 I have not seen or heard Dr Leaf use New Thought ideas from the perspective of achieving a higher self and Christ consciousness, only how to reframe negative thoughts so that the enemy no longer has a foothold.
Can you please help me with more info? Thank you.
Brilliant talk, Melissa !😅
I was raised in a Protestant home, always attended church and considered myself Christian. I began reading self help books to deal with stress and happiness (by Hay House authors) in 2000 and over 15 years New Age and New Thought were introduced to me. Unknowingly. In 2016 I became a member of a much more Biblical church and realized it. Sadly, it’s small steps that move a person way of course.
Excellent video and work Melissa.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and personal experiences on this subject. It has been very helpful.
The Gospel of Malarkey 😂
I really appreciate this video: tying new age to Eastern Mysticism and new thought to gnosticism (with the explanation of gnosticism - that was all new to me) has really helped it all make sense. Thank you 😊
VERY helpful! New Thought led me into the New Age which is why I just lumped them together. What a tangled mess! Praise God for plucking us out.🙌
I have several friends/acquaintances that dabble in crystals, energy, mother earth, vibrations/frequencies, ghost/spirit hunting ect. and they probably do not understand what they're actually involved with. In the past I have been of some assistance in explaining some things to 'em and other times, not at all. So, prayer continues for my ability to get through to them, but it's always in God's time-frame. I'll just "be still and KNOW" and keep my wits and patience about me. ha ha...........Great vid, again, Melissa. Keep it up!
These ideologies take credit for your achievements, and blames you for your failures. But it goes further to blame you for the toxic people who hurt you. The whole house of cards falls apart when you ask what is the point of children being molested? The idea that that was a “teaching moment” is completely heartless.
Since I'm less than a year of a born-again Christian I NOW see as in reading and hearing the Bible some of the scripture new thought/ new age cherry picked from the Bible.
I remember hearing, "I am, that I am" or "be still and know" which my mom's spiritual center (that I used to attend) had a closing song about.
I have mistakingly been using "new age" as a category for these philosophies / beliefs that are new thought. I'm glad you are clarifying this in your book. I do need to order copy.
I used be into Wayne Dyer. I actuallly used to call him "my Jesus". 🤦♀️
Melissa, you’re a great teacher and funny too. 😊😂❤
Thanks for sharing 🙏🏿
His grace and mercy be upon you and your loved ones 🕊️🥛🍯
I came from three generations of new thought. My great grandma (my maternal grandfather’s mother) was a Christian Scientist, my mom and grandma were students of A Course in Miracles.” I accepted Jesus’ invitation and gift when I was 10. However I struggled with maturing because of the confusion of my multigenerational New Thought influence that was so ingrained in our family life. I am still having revelation of what is the actual Truth. The fact that Jesus was physically resurrected was a recent revelation. I somehow after all of these years of studying the word I kept over looking that he literally was physically resurrected and is physically vs spiritually existing in heaven sitting at the right hand of God interceding for His flock. Definitely New thought Christianity is very detrimental and dangerous for Christians.
Thank you for sharing some of your thoughts and experiences on this issue.
TY Melissa! It’s difficult sometimes, to differentiate🧡🙏🏻
Thank you Melissa for your clear explanation of New Thought and New Age. I have been fascinated by the prosperity gospel, MLM's, mysticism and their existence in Christian communities over the past century, but I have never come across the term New Thought before. You have definitely added some important context to what I thought I knew. In case you haven't come across her work already , you might enjoy Kate Bowler's research into the Prosperity Gospel in Christianity.
I learned something new, thank you.❤
Yes!! I finally know the difference. Thanks so very much. Great job! 👏🏽
You are the best Melissa. Love you. Blessings and gratitude.
Please talk about your encounter with spirits because I want more people to know and understand how dangerous it is. I have voice recordings and had some terrible experiences all because I opened doors to those spirits when I was messing with the occult. It’s something I’ve been trying to warn people about for years.
Great synopsis of the Copeland convention. You hit it!
Nice job explaining these trends!
Thank you for explanation.
I like the way you check yourself to everyone on TH-cam lol love it!
When you mentioned aura you put in parentheses next to it use of oils. I would love if you could explain more on that, like use of essential oils being rooted in new thought as well?
Oils were precious in the time of Jesus... equal to or more precious than gold.
The sacred space of a Temple was purified by the scent of oils.
Capitalism took this to a whole new level of "marketing"
Thanks for showing the error of New Thought. It is amazing how this has influenced the Church. Not just NRA and Prosperity but also Progressive Christianity. I realised that this teaching was prominent in the 70s & 80s in Sales Coaching through Robert Schuller and Og Mindino.
Thank you very melissa, God bless love you.
GOD BLESS YOU. Eye-opening 😊
Thank you Melissa for bringing this to light, it's exactly what Christians need to be warned of❤
There is nothing new under the sun!
Please go gurther in depth with new thought. Thank you for your video!🌷
Great video Melissa!! May God bless you!
Strong to humbly admit this! 😊
Melissa, have you ever done a video just on Wanye Dyer? Thanks! Ceci
He's on my list to do a deep dive on.
I also mention him quite a few times in my book Happy Lies. He's definitely hard to ignore with studying New Thought!
Wow! Such an amazing video. Thank you, and I look forward to more!
Thank you for your great videos.
Fascinating, as always, Melissa! Thanks for sharing this interesting teaching.
I look forward to all the videos that you mention as being on your list!
Thanks for the clarification
Wow I learned a lot from this, I think my sister has got into this kind of stuff, so you’ve given me some thoughts of what she’s getting into
Excellent breakdown!! Thank you for the explanation. Really makes more sense now.
According to this, from the time I decided to engage the occult in 2005 to my peak over about 8 years, I was an overlapper of your illustrated model, but didn't carry a label other than occultist. I dove in the deep end with a convenient mentor who became a close friend, who taught me most of what you talked about.
I was into way worse and demonic. Terrible.
Praise Jesus Christ our Saviour. =)
New Thought is extremely seductive. I lost a dear friend several years ago into the false "Christ Consciousness" belief. She believed God was speaking to her directly to "correct" the errors in Scripture. Despite several, multi-hour long discussions with her, and even a semi-public debate with her, she remained lost. Your explanation of New Thought and Christ Consciousness is spot on. Thank you so much for everything you are doing, Melissa!
What makes you think youre not.lost?
Very informative! Might have to watch a few more times…
In the 1970s when I was a teenager, it appears I was practicing new thought along with my Christian search to be closer to Christ. I was truly born again about 5 years ago. Satan sets many traps in a lot of people’s journeys.
I'm just glad your a new creation
Love this video, this topic does grieve my heart
Thank you so much for this thorough explanation
Didn't you already do a video about this, this a re-upload?
Yes she did.
That’s what I was thinking
I thought so, too. I know she has talked about this difference in the past.
Yeah, I referenced the video I made on this in the past and even read an excerpt from it. Also, in recent deep-dive videos, I've mentioned this info too. I've never done an in depth video on it though, which is what this is.
This is very fascinating
I LOVE your videos! But, I have to admit that this one was THE MOST SUCCINCT one I've watched on the "New Age" topic. I say "New Age", because in the past 18 -20 years of reading up about occultism (in it's various forms ... & there are many!) infiltrating the church, I've never heard of New Thought. You have just added another piece to the puzzle for me. Thank you for your steadfastness and warning to the church!❤
Thanks gf!!
AMEN MELISSA I HAVENT SEEN ANYONE WITH YOUR SPIRITUAL DISCERNMENT ON THIS MATTER MAY JESUS BAPTIZE WITH THE HOLY GHOST AND FIRE THIS WILL DEMAND THE PATIENCE OF JESUS ON EACH OF YOU LOVE BUCK ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Please make an infographic. That would be so helpful.
I was able to locate a book published in 1890 on witchcraft. It is a miracle the book survived. Before giving myself to Christ, I belonged to various pagan, Wiccan, and Druid groups. The "witchcraft" in the 1890 bore no resemblance to the paganism practiced today. "New Age" literally is new.
I would love to hear your analysis of the “crystal vortex” phenomenon around Sedona Arizona and the “intentionality” involved in charging crystals. It seems to be a confluence of new age and new thought but I don’t have much experience in that world view.
It’s all new age. I did it for thirty-five years.
First time watching but this video explains something that had perplexed me.
People who claimed to be Christians who seemed to go off on Evangelical (I hadn't really understood what the difference was in their minds) as well as so many professed Christians who believed in the sins of the father transferring to the children *ie:reparations and white guilt*
So much of that goes against Christian teaching but now I understand why
Very informative
Great video! I've heard so much about both and I know so many Christians that practice both. It has made me question some of their beliefs and I can lean towards that sometimes. The thought thinking things and needing to control your thoughts because it affects your outcome. Can you please explain how this is different than having a positive mindset?
What I'm missing is information about new age in the sense of 'a new era, a paradigm shift, the age of Aaquarius'. And in that sense, it also means leaving behind 'old thought' and accepting 'new thought'.
Sure, it could be about accepting a new way of thinking, but New Thought itself is its own movement. It has its own set of beliefs and claims to be Christian. New Thought would align itself with the acceptance of this as it's a position of spiritual tolerance. But the "Age of Aquarius" is originated with New Age, and not a New Thought idea touted as a Christian concept. Hope that's helpful
@@MelissaDoughertythanks for the clarification. I should have realised that the distinction is that New Thought specifically calls itself 'Christian'.
I don't want to drag this out, there are more important things, but I've been searching a bit and Constance Cumbey, who wrote 'Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow' (of which I publish the Dutch edition), says in her book that one of the names the New Age Movement is also known by is New Thought. I remembered that vaguely, and that is why I mentioned it here. I get what you are trying to say, but perhaps it's interesting to dig a bit deeper and find out why she puts it under the New Age umbrella. New Thought is mentioned in this list in her book (a list with other names for the New Age Movement), quote: 'The Aquarius Conspiracy, Humanistic Psychology, Network Movement, New Thought Religion, New Church, The Third Wave, The Third Force, New Consciousness, Transcendental Movement, Human Potential Movement, New Spirituality, Secular Humanism, Humanism.'
Melissa I would really like you to look at all the churches the Kardashians have been involved in. "No sermons, no praying, no word" in their words. Basically a concert.
Very good video. Diagrams always help me see.
Interesting thoughts!
So timely as this stuff is everywhere! “Christian” influencers peddle new thought all over IG. Convincing someone this stuff is not biblical is so challenging. Because you are the narrow minded one missing out on “true Christianity”. 🙄
Oh wow, so many great parts 😂💛🤭🥰
I was taught as a Reiki level one healer that its roots was in christian orthodoxy, so i would put it in new thought, it could have been "bull" idk. Thanks for your clarity
So interesting how you and Dee Virtue have opposite views on this! You two ought to have a conversation on video. That would be so cool.
Yay - Venn diagrams!
Melissa,
I have recently caught on to your channel and really have appreciated you apologetics.
Particularly in regard to New Thought and Word of Faith.
I have a multi-layered question.
We are saved by faith through grace and not by works...
How the narrow gate is described as opposed to the wide path, is where my question lies.
Legalism seems to lead to asking what is the minimum to be done to be graced with heaven, but we are to work out our own salvation in being grateful for salvation... So we aren't to be boasting by earning, but we are doing so out of gratitude...
To love the Lord is to obey, and since we cannot free ourselves from sin, all we can do is try, knowing that we will fail and then repent and try harder...
This is then the issue of grace. Since God causes the rain to fall on the unjust as well as the just and he chooses to whom he will give mercy. We are to try harder but we can do nothing on our own.
We are to be the ant and not the sluggard. If we don't work we don't eat...
Finally we are to be judged and our sins are forgiven, but we will receive rewards in heaven...which is not from works... Or is it by intention or sincerity and not ability...?
Judgement is different... those that have more biblical knowledge will be held more accountable. Thus the more you know, the narrower the gate and the less excuse we have to sin and not follow the word more closely. (Ignorance is bliss in a way?)
Since we cannot judge another's salvation, yet we are to evangelize to make disciples, how are we to not to seem legalistic because our gate is narrower than someone else's?
Thanks,
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How does one find a church that is untouched by "New Thought" beliefs?
I guess I'm glad I never got involved in those. Way too much work for my interests. I'm glad you explained them.
I'm also thankful to be OLD age (yes chronological as well as spiritually) and OLD thought (going for what has stood the test of time).
I am a servant of God Almighty through submission to and cleansing of sin and the teaching of Jesus Christ, having been born again baptized by His Holy Spirit.
Thank you, Melissa, for your teaching and confirmational challenge for me to live what I claim to be. I cannot be the Christ aka Messiah. Only He is and will be.
Thanks Melissa. Not something I would feel comfortable preaching on, I just don't have that level of in depth grounding in the subject. But, it is essential that this message is spread far and wide. The church has been under this deception for way too long. We hardly recognise it for what it is any more. I'm sending it to everyone!