My favourite thing about the cellophane S is that everyone in the room except Superman is as confused by it as I am, but they all just sort of play along because Superman clearly knows what's going on but refuses to explain it.
Actually guys you may mention this later in the video I've only gotten about three quarters of the way through it so forgive me if you do mention it. Actually Superman doesn't kill the villains. There is a famous deleted scene where you see Superman with Lois Lane and the Arctic police for military are up there and you see General zod and his team being taken away by the police along with lex luthor. so he actually doesn't kill the super villains. The theatrical cut famously deletes the scene.
Fun fact: I actually met Terrance Stamp at my gym 3 years ago. I fanboyed so hard and he said the line ‘kneel before Zod’. Got a selfie with him. One of my greatest moments 😆
In Superman: American Alien, Clark explains the glasses disguise to Pete Ross and Pete asks if that means he can never take the glasses off in public. Clark says, "I take my glasses off all the time. And you know what people tell me? 'You look just like Superman!'"
Yes please to the Donner cut. And thank goodness you came up with the "random RPG stats" to explain their powers as it always bothered me that Ursa is bulletproof but somehow susceptible to a snake bite.
Well you could.look at.it this way there powers are slowly developing remember superman grew up on earth and his got more powerful he prob wasn't totally bullet proof as a kid. Remb the one who doesn't talk can't heat vision to begin with but it develops later so you could argue she can be affected by snake bite to some degree at first but not later and it doesn't really hurt her much almost like an wasp sting whereas us humans would possibly die from it.
Let me tell a story about Superman IV: The Quest For Peace. It’s the summer of 1987, I was 10 years old, my parents decided to take me and my younger sister to the movies. I come from a family of 5 kids so movies were an incredibly rare treat. We get to the theater and my dad says he and I were going to see Superman while my mom took my sister to see something else. O. M. G! You guys! I get to watch an entire movie *alone* with my dad in a theater!! I am not kidding when I say this was the *only* time that ever happened. Time alone with my dad was unheard could be hard to come by here I am about to spend an hour and a half with him watching a SUPERMAN MOVIE!! It was among the greatest days of my life. So I watched the movie and I loved it. We talked about it all the way home. I talked about it at breakfast the next morning. I made a construction paper cape for a blue lego man and a black one for a yellow lego man so I could recreate the movie. It. Was. Awesome! Skip ahead 4-5 years. I hadn’t watched the movie since the theater but it was on TV. Not HBO or anything fancy, just a regular local station with commercial breaks. I was excited all over again. I was 14 or 15 by now so I watched with a different lens this time... it was awful... it was the worst... it was hard to even sit through the whole thing. I seriously couldn’t believe how bad this movie was! So bad. So, so bad! How could I have like it so much? How could my dad have liked it!? Then it hit me, he didn’t. He knew it was bad but he knew how excited I was so he just kept talking to me about it. I hugged him that afternoon because I had new view on what being a dad was really about. Superman IV is a terrible movie. If you’ve never seen it don’t bother. If you have seen it, I’m sorry you had to endure it. But it taught me about being a dad and how much my dad cared. Superman IV is an amazing movie. (But seriously, don’t watch it, it sucks).
@@MerlinsBeard I think it'd be awesome if someone at some point edits 1 and 2 so that they fit together, and restore Donner's original vision for both. Remove the time-reversal from 1, just don't have Lois die, edit the end so it ends with the missile he threw into space breaking the Phantom Zone. Then have him reverse time in the second film like they planned. You could even edit the sequences of them attacking the small town so that it's actually them attacking Washington. I know there are fans who have done fan edits of the individual scenes already floating on TH-cam. But it'd be nice to have an official version done by the studio. Maybe for its 50'th anniversary coming up.
How weird that another movie involving a superman sequel movie has similar issues with two seperate directors and two seperate cuts with the Snyder cut happening now very soon
There is more to it than the brilliance of Christopher Reeves acting that makes the Clark Disguise work in these films. It is the Daily Planet as a place to hide. He chose a hectic, chaotic place full of self absorbed people dealing with constant fast moving drama to be Clark Kent. If you watch closely there are often long times where no one even looks directly at him. This is totally lost in later versions, in Superman Returns they even had this huge long scene where the other characters gaze at Clark wondering if he could be Superman, UUUURG! The brilliance of Superman's disguise is that he chose the perfect place to hide :)
@Gary Cashlim So you were shocked when you found out that Clark Kent was actually Superman. I kind of have the same story I was nine when I went to see Terminator 2. Of course I thought Arnold was going to be the bad guy, as I had seen the first Terminator, but when he ended up saving John at the mall I was shocked like you were. I recently had the opportunity to show my 10-year-old daughter the Terminator movies and she was shocked as I was.
That’s the same reason why the disguise doesn’t work in so many other things, where he’s like a very well known star reporter. He still has the bumbling attitude but a lot of the general public at least knows his name if not his face, and around the office he’d be a minor celebrity
@@logandh2 Something that the best Superman artists are able to convey is the MASSIVELY different body-language that he displays whe disguised as Clark Kent - lots of slouching and carrying himself in a way that makes all his bulging muscles look more like lumpy fat, even giving himself almost a double-chin, in addition to the meek, bumbling demeanor, the messy hair and glasses, the stammering and constantly seemingly overwhelmed by the big city, seeming like a big lumpy farm-boy who's absurdly clumsy. And then as Superman he exudes Supreme confidence in his posture and stride and demeanor and cadence, his muscles look like rippling muscles, hair perfectly quaffed, square jaw etc etc. But yeah, making Clark Kent a celebrity TV personality really is a bad idea. It asks just a bit too much of the reader re: suspension of disbelief. But think about how many of the world's most popular PRINT JOURNALISTS whose faces you can instantly recognize. It's MUCH easier for someone in that position living in the quintessential bustling big city metropolis to be able to be Superman with out anyone noticing. Also I feel like some folks overestimate just how often Superman's face is out there in public, on TV and stuff. Like people know what he looks like....but not THAT much.
The canon eventually developed in the comics is that Kryptonians and Martians are the two most powerful alien races in the entire Universe, and that the Guardians deliberately moved both species to places which would nerf their powers in order to prevent them from simply ruling everything. So Kryptonians are almost unlimited in power, and Superman _is_ unlimited. As he gets older, his powers grow stronger and more numerous. It's been established that Kryptonian powers are all actually psychic in nature, though they operate unconsciously. This is why, for example, Superman can carry a building without it collapsing; he's using a form of telekinesis to lift it and hold it together.
actually, there's been multiple versions of that. Sometimes its been that he can control his own gravitational field (which is how he flies) and manipulate the gravitational fields of whatever he's touching.
@Ricky Moore There's a story I remember from the late 70s or early 80s where the artist drawing Superman (I think it was Curt Swan) falls asleep at his drawing table and wakes up in Metropolis. He goes to the Daily Planet to find Clark Kent so he can get help from Superman, who realized Curt must be from Earth Prime and agrees to get him home. As they're flying, Curt starts asking Superman a bunch of questions, like "How does your curl keep its shape while you're flying?" and "How do you keep your suit from getting wrinkled when you fold it up to store in your cape?" Superman laughs and the only answer he gives to this barrage of questions is: _"I'm Superman."_
This movie is so ridiculous. They really expect us to believe that mild mannered reporter, Clark Kent, is Superman? Next they'll try and tell us that Bruce Wayne is Green Lantern
On the memory erasing kiss: if he can control which memories are erased depending on the way he kisses how did he learn to use it? Did he just make out with every girl in Smallville? How many are still in a coma because he used too much tongue?
To be fair, if you had a friend who looked like a celebrity you wouldn’t assume that it’s the celebrity in disguise, just that they look like that celebrity
In that scene where Lois stupidly throws herself into the river to try to get Clark to turn into Superman to save her, I just wanted Clark to yell to her in the distance: "Lois, I think we should see other people!" and then walk away. Let Lois get the Darwin Award she was apparently trying for.
7:47 I like that Clark's hand falls into the fire and his clothes are completely unburnt. Excellent work there, costuming (or whomever would be responsible for that)!
@@dbreiden83080 There aren't that many differences. The entire beginning with Paris, the slap nut comedy trash with the wind towards the end and, that stupid cellophane S are really the bulk of Lester shots.....It was really more of a rearranging than anything.
@@lutherheggs451 No there is more.. He shot all new scenes in the Niagara Falls, Clark revealing himself and saving Lois, new scenes in the FOS with Superman and Lois, plus Lara instead of Jor-el. The kiss ending etc.. Basically he had to re-shoot half the movie, which was required by the Directors Guild BTW for Lester to get credit..
TIL that I've actually never seen Superman II I've only ever seen the Donner cut. Sooooo definitely come back and cover it because I'd love to see that
@@philfitnesspt6139 Deleted scenes do not count, thats why they called deleted, and since we don't see them anymore, they died. Anyways them getting arrested is totally ridiculous, its like if thanos was arrested and put into jail by the police.
During that latest Holy War we will have enough bibles and toilet paper to last two weeks, and that's IF we go easy on the bibles, if you know what I mean
I was born a while after this movie came out but I grew up watching this and no matter how many problems it has it will remain one of my favourite movies
I think I still have that in my Best Buy cart in the save section after about 4-5yrs. Lol. Always wanted to buy it but never pulled the trigger even tho I've bought a bunch of stuff from them over the yrs, including making the Elite membership level in 3 of those yrs. Lolol.
@@samuelperezgarcia yeah it feels much more like a complete movie. That the theatrical cut had a strange mix of tones and it always felt a bit off to me.
The little known fact the Luthor holograms are real using the recycled tech they also used for the hologram of Superman flying out of the screen from the first one, but that was cut due to poor test audiences dying of heart attacks.
John Ratzenberger was one of a few American actors living in England doing film work in the 70’s and 80’s, including William Hootkins, who was in “Star Wars”, “Batman”, “Raiders of the Lost Ark” and “Superman 4” and Shane Rimmer (from “Thunderbirds”) who was Ratzenberger’s NASA counterpart in “Superman 2”. Shane also played the older water control technician at the end of “Batman Begins”. I found out how he got that role when I met him at a convention about 7 years ago in the U.K. where he still lived. His son Ben was a location supervisor for “Begins” and Nolan asked him if he was by chance related to Shane Rimmer. He told him it was his dad and Nolan got super excited as he was a massive “Thunderbirds” fan. They all went out to dinner and Nolan offered him a part. Two bonus fun facts: 1) Ratzenberger and Rimmer were still close friends until Shane’s passing in 2019. 2) Ratzenberger was also in “Superman: The Movie” as one of the nuclear missile techs (“Function negative sir!”)
Yes do the Donner cut!!! Glad these oldies are getting some credit. They tried to make them the best they could, despite the politics in between. The street fight and white house are fond memories.
I’ve been waiting all day to watch this, so excited, also bring back Maso’s notes that he used to do for a couple months, where he’d just take notes and then read them all, it was fantastic
@@ThreadBomb *Bond Vs Superman: Dawn Of Neck Snaps* M: "Bond, if there is even a 1% chance that he is our enemy, we have to take it as an absolute certainty." Q: "Now Bond, this is kryptonite gas, disguised as a can of Axe. To incapacitate normal humans, just spray them with normal Axe. Try not to get the cans mixed up. Also, here's a gun which fires kryptonite bullets and looks like a camera." Bond: "Ms. Prince, a woman of your...Amazonian physique must be looking for something more exciting than the men you usually meet." Diana: "Men are necessary for procreation, but not for pleasure." Bond: "Do you expect me to talk?" Lex Luthor: "No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to eat this Jolly Rancher!" Bond: "Tell me...do you bleed? Bond: *shoots Superman* Bond: "You will." Superman: "Is she with you?" Bond: "I thought she was with you."
In my estimation All Star Superman's version of Clark Kent mentioned, was basically like if Dwight Schrute took off his glasses and combed his hair and was suddenly an ideal man. I wish we'd get a live action interpretation like it.
All Star Superman was a hell of alot better than All Star Batman & Robin..Atleast a competent intelligent person wrote Superman, they should have never let garbage trash Frank Miller write All Star Batman & Robin.
I think Cheers writers missed a big chance at an in-joke there; would have laughed at Cliff Claven crapping on about missile technology at the bar to Norm and co.
@@thedys70 I agree! They could even have implied that Cliff is the same character. He ended getting demoted or leaving his old job to become a mail carrier instead
@@DavesFriends For sure! They would have completed the scene with Carla retorting something smarmy like: "Yeah, that's some imagination you got, Claven..."
EVOLUTION (2001 movie) is a lost diamond that is in line with Ghost Busters and MIB. It has the same corky vibe AND was adopted into an animated series. I am so surprised that is has not been visited in COG yet! Definitely do an episode on this, guys!
OMG Superman 2 is a direct sequel to Jingle All The Way! At 7:44 here we clearly see the skin of none other than Booster, the side-kick of Turboman, who everyone hates. Such deep lore. Seeing that they're in the same universe now we need a Turboman vs Superman movie.
You guys should cover a couple episodes of Smallville after The Quest of Peace. That would be really cool cause it’s really good and I hear no one talk about it anymore!
I usually just sort of listen to these videos while I'm working on other things and I think this is the first time I've fully watched through and appreciated just how great Ben is as an editor.
About the memory wiping Kiss Mason: "That's not the way a modern super hero movie would go" Yeah.... No MODERN super hero movie would ever do that................. *cough First Class *cough
I remember hearing that the diner fight scene was highly praised when it was released, and Lester was given credit for that part in the media. Richard Donner filmed the diner scenes in '77. I also seem to remember that Donner was an extra in some of the shots.
I'm sure this has been mentioned already, but I had to get it off my mind--Gene Hackman was so upset over Donner's firing he quit--any scene with Luthor was shot during part one, and anything for part two was shot at a distance with a stand in and a voice actor.
It’s mentioned in the vid, though the lads go easy on how HORRIFICALLY BAD the Fake Shemp Luther is in every bit that features him. Plan 9-quality production value.
Him, Ned Beatty and Valerie didn't come back. They just dropped Valeries character after the Fortress scene. She said she shot more footage with Donner. Wonder what was left out...?
I always preferred the first one to the second one, even as a child. The first one feels like a complete movie, the second one like a half assed story about Kryptonian enemies for Superman. Rewatching both last year this perception was reinforced; in fact, it made the second one look worse. Not that the second one doesn't have some great moments, of course.
I would love for you guys to cover the 1995 MMPR movie. Absolute gold, let me tell ya. Perfect from start to end, every line is the kind of thing you could hear coming out of an action figure.
You mentioned at the end about the robot lady from Suoerman 3 being a terror for kids, and I will admit to being one of those. I think it was the first movies I saw in the theater, and I definitely had nightmares about that lady.
Superb watch as usual! I think many people, including myself, would love a look at the Richard Donner cut. I am the proud owner of that version on HD DVD!
I remember seeing this on TV as a small boy. In the small town scene, I recall Zod killing a boy, and Ursa gleefully saying something like, "He will never be a man." I haven't seen that in any of my video copies, or anywhere else since then. Does anyone else remember this, or am I making shit up?
It's a scene that was put back in for various TV cuts of the movie. I think it's in the deleted scenes section of a Superman II DVD somewhere, but don't quote me on that.
14:34 In the fortress of solitude where they play that game where you had to guess who is real.... Back in the day I distinctly remember Superman telling Lois that this "was a game they used to play in high school," and back then I was thinking...wait you mean Smallville High? How did that work and why did no one think it was strange...or make it into the news? I guess Superman meant that he played it with his friends Pete, Chloe, and Lana (who already knew his secret).
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My favourite thing about the cellophane S is that everyone in the room except Superman is as confused by it as I am, but they all just sort of play along because Superman clearly knows what's going on but refuses to explain it.
They can be great people kal el if they wish to be, they only lack the cellophane to wrap the way.
Actually guys you may mention this later in the video I've only gotten about three quarters of the way through it so forgive me if you do mention it. Actually Superman doesn't kill the villains. There is a famous deleted scene where you see Superman with Lois Lane and the Arctic police for military are up there and you see General zod and his team being taken away by the police along with lex luthor. so he actually doesn't kill the super villains. The theatrical cut famously deletes the scene.
Ian Brewster This isn’t the comment you’re looking for.
@@GyrosLeftSteelBall yes I just realized that .... hahahaha 😂
@@ianbrewster8934 deleted scenes don't count, thats why they're called deleted, and since we dont see them anymore, they probably died.
Fun fact: I actually met Terrance Stamp at my gym 3 years ago. I fanboyed so hard and he said the line ‘kneel before Zod’. Got a selfie with him. One of my greatest moments 😆
Awesome
That's whussup! I would have made him either do the "Kill him....Kill...him!" line, as well, or 8 reps of 350lb bench presses. Ha.
@@TreyIM22 Hahah I also wanted to do a ‘General! Care to step in the squat rack’ line but I was too overwhelmed and busy trying to play it cool 😂
Main thing is. Did you kneel?
Sounds like a class act! Not many actors so well known for a role would be cool with doing something like that!
Instead of breaking Zod's neck in MoS, he should've just used the memory wiping kiss to make him forget that he's evil
Lois Lane downvoted your comment.
Oh my
Christopher Reeve might have enjoyed that more
Can you make people forget things by kissing them?
@@R-Lee- Depends on where the kiss is placed🤫.
On the Strength 💪🗽✊🇺🇸
In Superman: American Alien, Clark explains the glasses disguise to Pete Ross and Pete asks if that means he can never take the glasses off in public. Clark says, "I take my glasses off all the time. And you know what people tell me? 'You look just like Superman!'"
One of my favorite lines from a JLA comic when Supes reveals his secret to the team: "He doesn't wear a mask. I never knew he had a day job!"
Yes please to the Donner cut. And thank goodness you came up with the "random RPG stats" to explain their powers as it always bothered me that Ursa is bulletproof but somehow susceptible to a snake bite.
Wait for did you comment this one day ago?
Well you could.look at.it this way there powers are slowly developing remember superman grew up on earth and his got more powerful he prob wasn't totally bullet proof as a kid. Remb the one who doesn't talk can't heat vision to begin with but it develops later so you could argue she can be affected by snake bite to some degree at first but not later and it doesn't really hurt her much almost like an wasp sting whereas us humans would possibly die from it.
Yes Donner cut
The snake teeth didn't actually penetrate her skin. She was just outraged at the impertinence.
And yes, Donnor Cut please!
Yes, please do the Donner cut!
Let me tell a story about Superman IV: The Quest For Peace.
It’s the summer of 1987, I was 10 years old, my parents decided to take me and my younger sister to the movies. I come from a family of 5 kids so movies were an incredibly rare treat. We get to the theater and my dad says he and I were going to see Superman while my mom took my sister to see something else. O. M. G! You guys! I get to watch an entire movie *alone* with my dad in a theater!! I am not kidding when I say this was the *only* time that ever happened. Time alone with my dad was unheard could be hard to come by here I am about to spend an hour and a half with him watching a SUPERMAN MOVIE!! It was among the greatest days of my life. So I watched the movie and I loved it. We talked about it all the way home. I talked about it at breakfast the next morning. I made a construction paper cape for a blue lego man and a black one for a yellow lego man so I could recreate the movie. It. Was. Awesome!
Skip ahead 4-5 years. I hadn’t watched the movie since the theater but it was on TV. Not HBO or anything fancy, just a regular local station with commercial breaks. I was excited all over again. I was 14 or 15 by now so I watched with a different lens this time... it was awful... it was the worst... it was hard to even sit through the whole thing. I seriously couldn’t believe how bad this movie was! So bad. So, so bad! How could I have like it so much? How could my dad have liked it!?
Then it hit me, he didn’t. He knew it was bad but he knew how excited I was so he just kept talking to me about it. I hugged him that afternoon because I had new view on what being a dad was really about.
Superman IV is a terrible movie. If you’ve never seen it don’t bother. If you have seen it, I’m sorry you had to endure it.
But it taught me about being a dad and how much my dad cared. Superman IV is an amazing movie. (But seriously, don’t watch it, it sucks).
Damn that ended up being a beautiful story, sir.
I would love to see a Donner Cut episode. I think it's only fitting considering all this is for the Snyder Cut
Good point!
It’s so much better!!! Apart from the ending...I would have just used the kiss 😘
@@MerlinsBeard I think it'd be awesome if someone at some point edits 1 and 2 so that they fit together, and restore Donner's original vision for both. Remove the time-reversal from 1, just don't have Lois die, edit the end so it ends with the missile he threw into space breaking the Phantom Zone. Then have him reverse time in the second film like they planned. You could even edit the sequences of them attacking the small town so that it's actually them attacking Washington. I know there are fans who have done fan edits of the individual scenes already floating on TH-cam. But it'd be nice to have an official version done by the studio. Maybe for its 50'th anniversary coming up.
How weird that another movie involving a superman sequel movie has similar issues with two seperate directors and two seperate cuts with the Snyder cut happening now very soon
Donner cut is far superior. I'd turn it off 5 min before the end to make it perfect
I hope the Snyder Cut includes Superman shooting a tiny Superman out of his hand
TIL Superman 2 was a direct sequel to Superman 1.
Brilliant to see one of my favourite channels commenting in the wild!
Speed running the comments section.
My man
Yet again, fast as hell.
Ironic
Or coincidental. Thanks Mr. Reid
Wait until you see the Donner Cut
There is more to it than the brilliance of Christopher Reeves acting that makes the Clark Disguise work in these films. It is the Daily Planet as a place to hide. He chose a hectic, chaotic place full of self absorbed people dealing with constant fast moving drama to be Clark Kent. If you watch closely there are often long times where no one even looks directly at him. This is totally lost in later versions, in Superman Returns they even had this huge long scene where the other characters gaze at Clark wondering if he could be Superman, UUUURG! The brilliance of Superman's disguise is that he chose the perfect place to hide :)
@Gary Cashlim So you were shocked when you found out that Clark Kent was actually Superman.
I kind of have the same story I was nine when I went to see Terminator 2. Of course I thought Arnold was going to be the bad guy, as I had seen the first Terminator, but when he ended up saving John at the mall I was shocked like you were.
I recently had the opportunity to show my 10-year-old daughter the Terminator movies and she was shocked as I was.
@Gary Cashlim lol
That’s the same reason why the disguise doesn’t work in so many other things, where he’s like a very well known star reporter. He still has the bumbling attitude but a lot of the general public at least knows his name if not his face, and around the office he’d be a minor celebrity
@@logandh2 Something that the best Superman artists are able to convey is the MASSIVELY different body-language that he displays whe disguised as Clark Kent - lots of slouching and carrying himself in a way that makes all his bulging muscles look more like lumpy fat, even giving himself almost a double-chin, in addition to the meek, bumbling demeanor, the messy hair and glasses, the stammering and constantly seemingly overwhelmed by the big city, seeming like a big lumpy farm-boy who's absurdly clumsy. And then as Superman he exudes Supreme confidence in his posture and stride and demeanor and cadence, his muscles look like rippling muscles, hair perfectly quaffed, square jaw etc etc.
But yeah, making Clark Kent a celebrity TV personality really is a bad idea. It asks just a bit too much of the reader re: suspension of disbelief. But think about how many of the world's most popular PRINT JOURNALISTS whose faces you can instantly recognize. It's MUCH easier for someone in that position living in the quintessential bustling big city metropolis to be able to be Superman with out anyone noticing.
Also I feel like some folks overestimate just how often Superman's face is out there in public, on TV and stuff. Like people know what he looks like....but not THAT much.
The Community Season 4 gas leak reference Ben is just *chef's kiss*
I prefer Jeff's kiss.
@@georgeking4276 Damn that's even better!
The man knows what he’s doing!
@@nihil_holly he's *streets ahead!*
that - plus the Always Sunny reference had me rolling - Nightman!
The hard cut to the Nightman when discussing the fourth villain is comedic brilliance.
I laughed out loud at that, and laughed a bit more when it cut to the real villains and they're basically wearing the same outfit as Nightman lol
feels off without him saying TRIVIA TRIVIA
TRIVIA BIVIA LET'S HAVE SOME TRIVIA
The canon eventually developed in the comics is that Kryptonians and Martians are the two most powerful alien races in the entire Universe, and that the Guardians deliberately moved both species to places which would nerf their powers in order to prevent them from simply ruling everything. So Kryptonians are almost unlimited in power, and Superman _is_ unlimited. As he gets older, his powers grow stronger and more numerous. It's been established that Kryptonian powers are all actually psychic in nature, though they operate unconsciously. This is why, for example, Superman can carry a building without it collapsing; he's using a form of telekinesis to lift it and hold it together.
That's a nice way to fix all the plot holes, but its a good explanation.
actually, there's been multiple versions of that. Sometimes its been that he can control his own gravitational field (which is how he flies) and manipulate the gravitational fields of whatever he's touching.
@Ricky Moore There's a story I remember from the late 70s or early 80s where the artist drawing Superman (I think it was Curt Swan) falls asleep at his drawing table and wakes up in Metropolis. He goes to the Daily Planet to find Clark Kent so he can get help from Superman, who realized Curt must be from Earth Prime and agrees to get him home.
As they're flying, Curt starts asking Superman a bunch of questions, like "How does your curl keep its shape while you're flying?" and "How do you keep your suit from getting wrinkled when you fold it up to store in your cape?" Superman laughs and the only answer he gives to this barrage of questions is: _"I'm Superman."_
This movie is so ridiculous. They really expect us to believe that mild mannered reporter, Clark Kent, is Superman? Next they'll try and tell us that Bruce Wayne is Green Lantern
No but this will blow your mind,
He’s Booster Gold.
Pfft, how could he? He's too busy running the various Wayne Foundations.
Thats not nearly as bad as some of the conspiracy theories. Those crack pots think hes batman.
On the memory erasing kiss: if he can control which memories are erased depending on the way he kisses how did he learn to use it? Did he just make out with every girl in Smallville? How many are still in a coma because he used too much tongue?
You think THAT'S bad, wait'll you see what happens to the girls he has sex with!
To be fair, if you had a friend who looked like a celebrity you wouldn’t assume that it’s the celebrity in disguise, just that they look like that celebrity
Just like Hannur Montannur
@@chrisdemetriou8593 I don’t think that’s how you say her name 😂
@@morgancarter5788 it is now!
@@benjammin9471 I’m so confused lol
@@morgancarter5788 ???
it's always been pronounced hannur montannur. what do you mean
In that scene where Lois stupidly throws herself into the river to try to get Clark to turn into Superman to save her, I just wanted Clark to yell to her in the distance: "Lois, I think we should see other people!" and then walk away. Let Lois get the Darwin Award she was apparently trying for.
Wow, James really waited until I clicked "like". I can't believe we sat in silence for 14 minutes.
Weird, I clicked immediately so the wait was like 2 seconds. How did they do that?!
It's been 9 hours for me & he's still waiting. I love his dedication to this bit. So I'm definitely leaving a like
They also say Clark wears clothes bigger than his size to hide his physique.
I have one major problem with this film.
They didn't name it "2 Superman, 2 Furious"
2 Super 2 Furious electric boogaloo... man...
2 fast 2 super 1 man
2uperman
Superman 2: Superman Harder
2 super 2 man
7:47 I like that Clark's hand falls into the fire and his clothes are completely unburnt. Excellent work there, costuming (or whomever would be responsible for that)!
Yes to the Donner cut!
i didn't like the Donner cut , it didn't have all the jokes and Superman's Mother wasn't in it, just more Jorel
Some good.. Some bad.. Basically the very best version of Superman 2 is a hybrid of scenes of Lester's cut, and Donner's..
@@dbreiden83080 There aren't that many differences. The entire beginning with Paris, the slap nut comedy trash with the wind towards the end and, that stupid cellophane S are really the bulk of Lester shots.....It was really more of a rearranging than anything.
@@lutherheggs451
No there is more.. He shot all new scenes in the Niagara Falls, Clark revealing himself and saving Lois, new scenes in the FOS with Superman and Lois, plus Lara instead of Jor-el. The kiss ending etc.. Basically he had to re-shoot half the movie, which was required by the Directors Guild BTW for Lester to get credit..
Definitely a big fat YES to the Donner Cut. It is an absolute must!
#ReleaseTheDonnerCut
....is what we'd be hearing from angry fanboys if the internet and hashtags were around in 1980
@Gwyn and Gold If the internet had been around in 1980, we could have saved Superman! (II)
now that is a low impact cause I can get behind!
@@ryansmith-jr4gn "A bunch of edgelords" is more concise, I guess (although that doesn't really apply to the Donner example really)
yep and thats why it was released over a decade ago.
TIL that I've actually never seen Superman II I've only ever seen the Donner cut. Sooooo definitely come back and cover it because I'd love to see that
In the UK we call him 'Supperman' because he's always saving people and then making them a home cooked meal - I got a hearty veg soup
Lol
Why not just Souperman?🤔
@@Bearded_Toy_Guy you get out of here with your damn better ideas and improved tagines...
Damn it.
I’m from the UK and that’s not a thing
@@kurtcobain7886 Kurt Cobain isn't from the UK.
Checkmate
You ever accidentally unmute in class so everyone can hear the Mr Sunday Movies guitar riff? That is where I am at right now.
Got to love Superman's smile before he casually murders Zod.
And then happy music plays afterwards lmao.
Actually he doesn't kill him there is a deleted scene where zod and rest are arrested by police
@@philfitnesspt6139 Deleted scenes do not count, thats why they called deleted, and since we don't see them anymore, they died. Anyways them getting arrested is totally ridiculous, its like if thanos was arrested and put into jail by the police.
@@bricktop9486 So those deleted scenes from Bvs that ended up being in the ultimate edition don't count?
@@wrestlinganime4life288 In the theatrical cut they don't count, so the conflict between batman and superman is really poor, so a shit movie.
S2 will always be a favorite even with all of its flaws, "kneel before Zod" will live on forever. the mount Rushmore changing faces scene was awesome.
You should def do The Donner Cut, maybe the week the Snyder Cut comes out.
2nd this
I prefer the Donner cut.
Therefore, I prefer you to discuss it.
I'm just here for holy war guys, can someone point me in the right direction.
It's the internet. I'm sure itll turn up
*Deus Vult intensifies*
We tried to start a holy war but we ah didn't print enough pamphlets
@@Dilmahkana So no-one turned up except your mum and her boyfriend?
During that latest Holy War we will have enough bibles and toilet paper to last two weeks, and that's IF we go easy on the bibles, if you know what I mean
I was born a while after this movie came out but I grew up watching this and no matter how many problems it has it will remain one of my favourite movies
I'd absolutely be up for you guys covering the Donner Cut. Bring it on.
“I picked the wrong day to wear my roller skates and sparkly red vest” best line of the day
Release the Donner cut.
I think I still have that in my Best Buy cart in the save section after about 4-5yrs. Lol. Always wanted to buy it but never pulled the trigger even tho I've bought a bunch of stuff from them over the yrs, including making the Elite membership level in 3 of those yrs. Lolol.
It's been on Blu-ray for like 14 years dude.
@@Clay3613 But I haven't seen it so we can't really know for sure can we?
@@TreyIM22 SUPERMAN Anthology Blu-ray disc set is great.
@@fremendar9659 Even though it is missing the extended TV-cut 1978 bluray?
I don’t know if you guys realized, but the hologram shows up on the guards shirt. I thought that was really cool
As amazing as any projector
The Richard Donner cut of Superman 2 is in my opinion the best Superman film.
Yeah I definitely preferred that cut
I prefer the first one, but the Donner cut is better than the theatrical cut for sure.
@@samuelperezgarcia yeah it feels much more like a complete movie. That the theatrical cut had a strange mix of tones and it always felt a bit off to me.
Yes, do the Donner cut so you end the Christopher Reeve coverage on a high note!
The little known fact the Luthor holograms are real using the recycled tech they also used for the hologram of Superman flying out of the screen from the first one, but that was cut due to poor test audiences dying of heart attacks.
John Ratzenberger was one of a few American actors living in England doing film work in the 70’s and 80’s, including William Hootkins, who was in “Star Wars”, “Batman”, “Raiders of the Lost Ark” and “Superman 4” and Shane Rimmer (from “Thunderbirds”) who was Ratzenberger’s NASA counterpart in “Superman 2”. Shane also played the older water control technician at the end of “Batman Begins”. I found out how he got that role when I met him at a convention about 7 years ago in the U.K. where he still lived. His son Ben was a location supervisor for “Begins” and Nolan asked him if he was by chance related to Shane Rimmer. He told him it was his dad and Nolan got super excited as he was a massive “Thunderbirds” fan. They all went out to dinner and Nolan offered him a part.
Two bonus fun facts: 1) Ratzenberger and Rimmer were still close friends until Shane’s passing in 2019.
2) Ratzenberger was also in “Superman: The Movie” as one of the nuclear missile techs (“Function negative sir!”)
Literally as soon as I pressed like, James said that I did it. You spying on me, good sir?
Same😂😂
It's those Disney connections they got
I bet Ben timed out the exact amount of time it would take to like the video
Yes do the Donner cut!!! Glad these oldies are getting some credit. They tried to make them the best they could, despite the politics in between. The street fight and white house are fond memories.
Fellas, even showing the skill menu of Knights of the Old Republic put a smile on my face 🙂
Came here for Ben's brilliant, quirky, and always delightful editing, stayed for the Holy War.
Superman 2:Back In The Habit
Cruise control
Secret of the ooze
Electric Boogaloo.
Lost In New York
Superboyz II Supermen
I’ve been waiting all day to watch this, so excited, also bring back Maso’s notes that he used to do for a couple months, where he’d just take notes and then read them all, it was fantastic
I always assumed that J.W. Pepper was the bridge between the James Bond universe and the Superman universe.
Has anyone ever written a Superman/James Bond crossover? I imagine Supes would not approve of Mr Bond's methods.
@@ThreadBomb *Bond Vs Superman: Dawn Of Neck Snaps*
M: "Bond, if there is even a 1% chance that he is our enemy, we have to take it as an absolute certainty."
Q: "Now Bond, this is kryptonite gas, disguised as a can of Axe. To incapacitate normal humans, just spray them with normal Axe. Try not to get the cans mixed up. Also, here's a gun which fires kryptonite bullets and looks like a camera."
Bond: "Ms. Prince, a woman of your...Amazonian physique must be looking for something more exciting than the men you usually meet."
Diana: "Men are necessary for procreation, but not for pleasure."
Bond: "Do you expect me to talk?"
Lex Luthor: "No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to eat this Jolly Rancher!"
Bond: "Tell me...do you bleed?
Bond: *shoots Superman*
Bond: "You will."
Superman: "Is she with you?"
Bond: "I thought she was with you."
Only Terrance Stamp can look intimidating in calf high black dominatrix boots.
Errr... Zod; Queen of the Desert?
Calf-high black dominatrix boots are inherently intimidating, the aesthetic recalls the old style of cavalry riding boots and other martial footwear.
In my estimation All Star Superman's version of Clark Kent mentioned, was basically like if Dwight Schrute took off his glasses and combed his hair and was suddenly an ideal man. I wish we'd get a live action interpretation like it.
All Star Superman was a hell of alot better than All Star Batman & Robin..Atleast a competent intelligent person wrote Superman, they should have never let garbage trash Frank Miller write All Star Batman & Robin.
I honestly would love to see you cover the Richard Donner cut of Superman II.
John Ratzenberger also appears in the 1st Superman as a missile controller.
I think Cheers writers missed a big chance at an in-joke there; would have laughed at Cliff Claven crapping on about missile technology at the bar to Norm and co.
@@thedys70 I agree! They could even have implied that Cliff is the same character. He ended getting demoted or leaving his old job to become a mail carrier instead
@@DavesFriends For sure! They would have completed the scene with Carla retorting something smarmy like: "Yeah, that's some imagination you got, Claven..."
I had to actually google "Terrance Stamp peg leg"
Thanks for making me feel like a fool.
They got me too 😄
Well at least you double checked, lol. I just took them at their word, because I know Caravan of Garbage would never lie to me.
Thanks for saving me the time
I hope everyone is doing well and has a wonderful rest of their week! :-)
And if you're seeing this at the end of your week... I hope the next one is a great one!
Thanks m8!
Thanks, you too 😁
I definitely will now.
*kisses*
Don't tell me how to have my week!
Jk you too!
not one but TWO references to disco elysium by the editor??? A+ editing, my eyes are welling up as I think about that stick insect
EVOLUTION (2001 movie) is a lost diamond that is in line with Ghost Busters and MIB. It has the same corky vibe AND was adopted into an animated series. I am so surprised that is has not been visited in COG yet! Definitely do an episode on this, guys!
10:08 Love that ‘Your Name.’ reference.
Zod walks into the room: "KNEEEEEEEEEELLLLL!!!
Turl: "Hello Neil. Nice to meet you."
Bad Bloke Brando is all I think about whenever I watch The Godfather. 😂
Do the Donner cut. It made me feel like I was taking crazy pills when he flew around the earth again
OMG Superman 2 is a direct sequel to Jingle All The Way! At 7:44 here we clearly see the skin of none other than Booster, the side-kick of Turboman, who everyone hates. Such deep lore. Seeing that they're in the same universe now we need a Turboman vs Superman movie.
1:04 " i think this movie's broken " truly the pinacle of movie criticism
You guys should cover a couple episodes of Smallville after The Quest of Peace. That would be really cool cause it’s really good and I hear no one talk about it anymore!
In Smallville, Clark says he has never tripped in his life. This was after
Mister Mxyzptlk tripped him with magic in a football game.
Yes definitely do the Donner cut. First version of the sequel I saw
ABSOLUTELY do the donner cut muh dudes!
I usually just sort of listen to these videos while I'm working on other things and I think this is the first time I've fully watched through and appreciated just how great Ben is as an editor.
About the memory wiping Kiss
Mason: "That's not the way a modern super hero movie would go"
Yeah.... No MODERN super hero movie would ever do that................. *cough First Class *cough
Nah its set in the 60s so its grandfathered in
I remember hearing that the diner fight scene was highly praised when it was released, and Lester was given credit for that part in the media. Richard Donner filmed the diner scenes in '77. I also seem to remember that Donner was an extra in some of the shots.
Please do the pilot episode of Dean Cain Superman series as well: Lois and Clark
Oh definitely. I agree with this idea.
*hits like
James: They did it.
O.O he knows
These will always be the best Superman films because of the legend, Christopher Reeve.
One and two were filmed back to back with Donner, and the original plan was the reversing earth’s rotation was meant to be the end of the second film.
I'm sure this has been mentioned already, but I had to get it off my mind--Gene Hackman was so upset over Donner's firing he quit--any scene with Luthor was shot during part one, and anything for part two was shot at a distance with a stand in and a voice actor.
It’s mentioned in the vid, though the lads go easy on how HORRIFICALLY BAD the Fake Shemp Luther is in every bit that features him. Plan 9-quality production value.
Him, Ned Beatty and Valerie didn't come back. They just dropped Valeries character after the Fortress scene. She said she shot more footage with Donner. Wonder what was left out...?
13:29 When Superman says “No! Don’t do it!”
He looks like he’s trying not to laugh. 😂
The disappearing extra image is supposed to be like his super speed he's moving so fast it seems like he's in multiple different places
From the Community gas leak gag to the "Man's not hot" video clip at the end - Ben was on superb form for this.
"When you look to the stars, think of one of them as the Donner Cut."
A Very Special Mr. Sunday Movies: What's The Difference: Superman II: Theatrical Cut vs Donner Cut.
yep, get busy you two...
I always preferred the first one to the second one, even as a child. The first one feels like a complete movie, the second one like a half assed story about Kryptonian enemies for Superman. Rewatching both last year this perception was reinforced; in fact, it made the second one look worse. Not that the second one doesn't have some great moments, of course.
That cut to Namine when talking about losing memories was freakin' _gold_ .
When the mentioned superman 3 and 4 I stood up and said aloud "there were FOUR of those?"
I would love for you guys to cover the 1995 MMPR movie. Absolute gold, let me tell ya. Perfect from start to end, every line is the kind of thing you could hear coming out of an action figure.
16:30 “That’s not the way a modern superhero movie would go”
Prof X in X-men First Class: ...
I think they meant more some hero who doesnt have mind powers being able to do that.
This was my very favourite Superman movie.
Donner-cut is a must!
You mentioned at the end about the robot lady from Suoerman 3 being a terror for kids, and I will admit to being one of those. I think it was the first movies I saw in the theater, and I definitely had nightmares about that lady.
Never understood the cellophane S thing as kid. I remember being so freaking confused 😂
John Ratzenberger was also in the original Superman movie as one of the guys tracking the missiles about to hit California.
1:57 Warner doing their thing with DC properties from the beginning...
Superb watch as usual! I think many people, including myself, would love a look at the Richard Donner cut. I am the proud owner of that version on HD DVD!
Please do cover the Donner Cut!!
I loved this. Please do “The Donnor cut”
You should do the Richard Donner Cut and the Supergirl movie. Also, you did all the Transformers movies but not Bumblebee?
They mentioned that they wanted to distance it from the horrors of the Bayworld films, but... yeah. It needs to happen, stat-like.
Yeah, we can't end on The Quest for Peace. We need The Donner Cut as a palate cleanser!
I weirdly remember the film starting in the cafe when Clark gets a kicking and in reality that scene is an hour in 🤣
Because that's the first actual human drama in the movie.
@@ThreadBomb true, it is a proper slow burner 🤣
I hadn't seen either cut of Superman II until earlier this year, so i'd love to see you guys cover the Donner Cut
I remember seeing this on TV as a small boy. In the small town scene, I recall Zod killing a boy, and Ursa gleefully saying something like, "He will never be a man."
I haven't seen that in any of my video copies, or anywhere else since then. Does anyone else remember this, or am I making shit up?
It's a scene that was put back in for various TV cuts of the movie. I think it's in the deleted scenes section of a Superman II DVD somewhere, but don't quote me on that.
I just found that deleted scene on TH-cam. It's called "Non kills a boy". I would provide the link to that video, but I'm using my phone.
th-cam.com/video/MCYargRv-SM/w-d-xo.html
@@superpaul79 That's the one.
14:34 In the fortress of solitude where they play that game where you had to guess who is real....
Back in the day I distinctly remember Superman telling Lois that this "was a game they used to play in high school," and back then
I was thinking...wait you mean Smallville High? How did that work and why did no one think it was strange...or make it into the news?
I guess Superman meant that he played it with his friends Pete, Chloe, and Lana (who already knew his secret).