Isiah Thomas Eliminates Michael Jordan, Again (Game 7 - 1990)
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- June 3, 1990 - Detroit Pistons point guard Isiah Thomas finished two rebounds shy of a triple-double in his team's series ending 93-74 Game 7 victory over the Chicago Bulls. Thomas finished with 21 points, 8 rebounds, and 11 assists in all. The Pistons did the bulk of their damage in the second quarter when they shot 14-of-17 from the field and outscored Chicago 31-14.
Michael Jordan narrowly finished with a triple-double as well, scoring 31 points, grabbing 8 rebounds, and delivering 9 assists in the loss.
1989-90 served as the third consecutive season the Bulls were eliminated by the Pistons. Chicago would end that strike the following season, sweeping Detroit in the 1991 Eastern Conference Finals and essentially ending the Pistons' Bad Boys era.
1990 Game 7 Box Score: www.basketball...
They always say Isaiah is salty but never give him his respect .. he beat bird magic and he beat mj .. he actually beat mj more than mj beat him soo 🧐🤷🏾♂️
You’re right. Thomas, and his pistons beat Jordan and his Bulls three times. 88-90, but when Jordan and the Bulls finally got Thomas and his pistons…they swept their asses. Once the Bulls started winning…they won six of eight championships. Not bad!
@@StoneGone that’s because Zeke was injured and on his last leg. But when they both were at 100% Jordan didn’t stand a chance
@@mobetta2092 Jordan's prime was more like 1990-1992
@@mobetta2092 its all alibies
Facts facts facts facts
I loved when Isaiah jumped up and grabbed Jordan's eventual dunk. He did not care if he got a foul. He wanted to let Jordan know that he was not dunking in this game. No mercy!
did you see Jordan's reaction? He was pissed and could've been baited with some trash talking, but Isiah just ignored him.
Lebron would have sent him back 5 feet and dunked on him.
Isaiah was punk personified.
@@thatrpg5427bron couldn’t even dunk on Jokic 😭
@@andresdelportillo9917wow a 38 year old man couldn't dunk
The transition of power from the Celtics to Pistons to Bulls in the Eastern Conference in the 1980s into the 1990s was something to behold. All teams who would have gotten to an extra NBA Finals without the other overtaking then.
You forget the Sixers who were the big team in the east before Boston overtook them. Those two teams had quite the battles in the early to mid 80s. Philly broke thru in 83 but easily could've been in Finals several more times and likely won at least in 81.
Look at these highlights and you see the versatility of Isiah Thomas' skills.
Fastbreak-NO PROBLEM
Short jumpers in the lane-NO PROBLEM
Run the offense in the half court set-NO PROBLEM
DEFENSE-NO PROBLEM
Rebounding-NO PROBLEM
Breaking the defense down-NO PROBLEM.
He did that for Indiana University and DETROIT.
Please don't put Stockton, Paul or Curry in Isiah's class because I don't recall Gonzaga, Utah, Wake Forest, all of Paul's NBA teams or Davidson winning ANYTHING with these guys.
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Stockton is great too!
Way, way easier to win a title with Knight's Hoosiers than make the NBA from 80s Gonzaga.
@@paksta dumb ass comment.
Knight didn't make a single basket, grab a rebound or defend anyone .
But let's separate dumb comments from reality.
1976-Indiana won national title.
1977-Isiah is a sophomore in high school, Indiana MISSED NCAA Tournament.
1978-Isiah is a junior in high school, Indiana AGAIN MISSED NCAA Tournament.
1979-Isiah is a McDonald's All American, Indiana AGAIN MISSED NCAA Tournament.
1980-Isiah is a freshman Olympian, USA Basketball Athlete of the Year, Indiana wins Big 10 title OUTRIGHT and made NCAA Tournament.
1981-Isiah is a first team CONSENSUS ALL American, Indiana AGAIN wins Big 10 title OUTRIGHT, wins the national title and Isiah Thomas is the MOP of BOTH the Regionals and Final Four.
In 1982, he's in the NBA, Indiana MISSED NCAA Tournament.
All John Stockton had to do was win his conference title, something he failed 4 times doing.
Stockton couldn't even wins the Sisters of the Poor Conference title.
His 84 playoffs against the Knicks(Bernard king) was on a level I've never seen any of the others play at. Really I think the only ppl I've seen play that level was bird magic MJ, Kobe, curry, and bron. And that was at their absolute best. Really him and Bernard going back and forth reminded me of Steph and bron from I think the 2016 finals, mighta been a different year but bron and Steph were both ridiculous.
Those bad boy Piston teams were some of the greatest of all time
With their offense and defense on MJ.
The "bad boys" would be "good girls" in today's league
@@hughjass8383 Actual braindead take.
@@hughjass8383they’d roll everyone of today. They’d make Draymond their eunuch and Stephen Adams their rent boy
Bunch of weak a$z bums. Wouldn’t even shake hands after getting swept in ‘91. Don’t pretend like they were old either. They were like 30 yrs old. Zeke shouldn’t have been a dirty player and maybe MJ woulda let that lil’ bum on the Dream Team. Oh well, they didn’t want him.😂
People don’t understand, Zeke was the only guy who got in Jordan’s head. Even till this day, Jordan can’t stand being reminded of him. That deserves more than an award.
This is correct. Zeke also got into the heads of all the Jordan fans too in light of all the "Jordan shuts down Isiah Thomas" videos I came across when searching for Isiah shutting down Jordan videos lol.
@@chestercastaneda4920 MJ could have won the title back in 1990, if Scotte Pippen and Horace Grant hadn"t play like a scrubs.
1990 ECF. Game 7: MJ vs Pistons.
*Scotte Pippen=2-Points, FG-10%.*
*Horace Grant=10-Points, FG-17%.*
No one can win a game with such terrible teammates.
*Michael Jordan=31-Points, FG-48%.*
@@allanhouston6759 LMAO so if they win credit goes to MJ but if they lose it's their fault? Get your head out of Jordan's behind lol.
@@chestercastaneda4920 Stop raving. Pippen and Grant were terrible at this game. It is a Fact.
MJ=31-Points vs JORDAN Rule. His best teammate was Horace Grant=10-Points, on 17%.
@@allanhouston6759 It's not raving for me to point out you're literally blaming other people for Jordan not winning a championship, which is you admitting Jordan can't win a championship on his own and needs help doing so lol. As a bonus, yes, Isiah did own Jordan LMAO.
Isiah was one of the best PGs of all time in his prime.
Thank you for spelling his name correctly!
Right but now he’s behind Magic and Curry
Steph and cp3 been surpassed him tho
@@simplyjay0748 How has CP3 passed him?
@@simplyjay0748 did Steph and Paul win NCAA and NBA titles?
Did either of them win the Final Four MOP and NBA Finals MVP?
Did either of them win a gold medal in college!
As a long time bulls fan rather you love Zeke or hate him. You gotta respect and learn from him. He put the team on his shoulders and dominated. That's what leadership do.
Agree - I just don't agree with his "we got old" excuse because it isn't true. But one one of the all time greats.
Chicago kid, said he wanted to play for bulls
IT has to be one of the most underrated point guards of all time the man was a floor general , he controlled the entire game
Isiah thomas is top 20-25 all time and top 5 point guards of all time !! He's not underrated ..
@@eyalganz9783na he more like top 15 top 2 pg of all time. So yeah he underrated
The Bad Boys got one of the best backcourt in the history of the NBA. Zeke, Joe D And Microwave. All killers!
Don't forget the worm Rodman
All killers of the bulls
@@hectorlopez1069and mj alone took them 7 games. Pipp had a migraine.
People should respect ISIAH THOMAS and this incredible team.The reason MJ hates him so badly this highligh prove why!
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Only team in NBA history with a winning playoff record vs Bird’s Celtics, Magic’s Lakers, and Jordan’s Bulls. That’s TOUGH 🏆🏆 (🏆)
Thats Rite 1990 was the yr Detroit 3peated 91 was nothing more than striving for 4 so they need to get off it only 1 teams won 4 in a row an thats 62 Celtics..Not Bulls Not Lakers they couldn't do it so leave 91 Pistons alone they was done wth there run bye then..
@@jbl7946I am from Brasil 🇧🇷 but The Bad Boys besides play D hard They were really good With Joe Dumars;Vinnie Johnson ; Laimbeer was Very good in 3 point also and Salley; Edwards;Aguirre;Mahomes did great job too...Young Dennis Rodman was amazing and Guard Bird and Jordan so well.
True but Jordan got the last laugh !
This took place in my final week in West Germany back in June 1990.
I had my barracks all to myself my final month in the military.
I recorded this game and the first 3 against Portland before I shipped my belongings back to the states.
Game 4 against Portland the day before I left Germany and Game 5 was my final day in the military.
THOSE WERE THE DAYS!!!!!!
One of the most underrated teams in NBA history. It would've been interesting to see how they'd have done in 1991 without Isiah having his wrist fused together. Maybe they squeeze out one or two more titles.
Yeah if they all stayed healthy it probably would've gone to game 7 again the next year
Pathetic excuses. 1991 ECF: Isiah Thomas played an average of 38 minutes per game. He has not missed a single game. Thus, we can discredit the victories of any player. For example:
2020 Nba Finals.
*Goran Dragic- Missed 4 games.*
*Bam Adebao- Missed 2 games.*
2020 WCFR:
*Damian Lillard- Missed 1 game.*
2017 ECF:
*Isiah Thomas- Missed 3 games.*
2017 ECSF:
*Kyle Lowry- Missed 2 games.*
2015 ECSF:
*Pau Gasol- Missed 2 games.*
2015 ECF:
*Kyle Korver- Missed 2 games.*
2016 Nba Finals.
*Andre Bogut- Missed 2 games.*
*Draymond Green- Missed 1 game.*
2014 ECFR:
*Al Jeferson- Missed 1 game.*
2008 ECFR:
*Gilbert Arenas- Missed 2 games.*
2005 ECSF:
*Al Horford- Missed 2 games.*
2007 ECFR:
*Gilbert Arenas- Missed 4 games.*
*Caron Butler- Missed 4 games.*
@@allanhouston6759 pistons destroyed the bulls in 91 before the injuries, refs helped the bulls, and the pistons were originally on pace to win 71 games that year. Should've been the 4peat year with the Kareem travel foul. Also, people defending Jordan against the Bad boys need to get a higher vocabulary than just "excuses"
Naw, they would have gotten swept just like they did. The Pistons were my favorite team in that era. But their time was over. Hated to see the piss poor sportsmanship after they got swept. You're funny 😄
Last but not least they really only won when they was beating mfs up. Lol they were good but they were the bad boys for a reason lol 😂
Isiah Thomas was the General George Patton of basketball. He knew how to the brute force of the Bad Boys to beat the crap out of you. Jordan didn't stand a chance. The only reason he was left off the Dream Team is that all the other pro ballers were ashamed a guy 5-11 tall could beat them just by willing his team to greatness.
I thought he was 6’1
Yea he's listed as 6'1" but he's probably shorter. But yea man Isiah beat all those legends and they were bitter lol. That's why he's still smiling. When you talk about the greatest players in NBA history like Magic, Jordan and Bird you have to talk about Isiah because he beat them all and he dominated the league in the late 80's. He had the ability to take over a game like Jordan did but he was smarter and always a step ahead of everybody he was even a step ahead of the NBA itself. Isiah changed the game man. Greatest leader of all time, quickest, best ball handler, best PG of all time, in my opinion. I'll take Isiah over Magic although Magic was special but Magic had Kareem and Worthy and Stockton had the Mailman. Isiah had a deep team full of castaways like Laimbeer and Mahorn and young rookies like Rodman and Sally. Isiah was the leader and there identity was the Bad Boys. They were mentally and physically tough but more mentally like Isiah and they followed his lead. Isiah is a legend man.
@@waelharp4060 Isiah wasn't even the primary reason why the Pistons beat the Bulls. As a matter of fact, Jordan outplayed Isiah in just about every game they played against each other. You're forgetting about the other 8 guys on the floor. And you're also implying that the rift between Isiah and Jordan was all Jordan's fault. It wasn't. It was actually Isiah who was bitter towards Jordan because A) Jordan was a much better player and B) Jordan was the most revered b-baller in Chicago, which is Isiah's home town.
Jordan's team lost to a lot of teams. Losing to the Pistons by itself didn't make him bitter at all. Why would it? Losing is a part of the game just as winning is.
@@madcapper6 Bad Boys forever.
Several HOF's said Bad Boys best team all time. Bad Boys number 1.
2. 67 Sixers 3. Magic Lakers, 4. Celtics of the sixties, Bucks 71, then Jordan teams 90s.🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
@@Wixom2200 Lol nah
Isiah was killin them
along with the rest of the team, that's why they won two titles against Jordan.
Where was the "thuggery" that the Pistons were accused of? They were a great team that played physical and Jordan and Pippen didn't like it, so they complained. This video brought back memories for me. Good times!!
MJ came back after losing, Isiah disappeared after getting swept 😂🤣 no complaints whatsoever
@3:58. Before the NBA made is illegal to actually defend Michael Jordan. By the 1990s, that steal by Thomas was two shots, a foul, and a fine.
FACTS
The 90's still had hand checking
He beat jordan so bad, jordan still hates him
And when Jordan beat him the following year and Isaiah didn't shake hands, he was even madder and saw to it he wouldn't be on the 1992 Dream Team.
@@ILoveOldTWC exactly! Isiah was a sore loser and Jordan got his revenge the next year and got him off the Dream Team!
The 6 rings don't satisfy him. The losses to Isaiah are like a scar that won't heal to him.
@@osaji922 Jordan got the last laugh! Isiah is the one still mad from being left off the Dream Team and Mike is the GOAT! Mike isn't mad about anything Isiah was the next year when Mike beat him and Isiah wouldn't even shake hands but the year before Jordan shook Isiah's hand when Jordan lost. Isiah was a sore loser and Mike got him back by leaving him off the Dream Team
@@The_Cannabis_Connoisseur You really don't understand Mike's way of thinking then. He's ultra competitive. Yeah, he got the last laugh but he's not happy that he lost three times to the Bad Boys. It's like a bad mark on an otherwise perfect resume that just eats away at him. You and I know he's the GOAT and he knows he is but that won't let him forget the defeats at the hands of the Pistons, who were seen as his only hurdle in the league.
There is one reason why Michael Jordan has nightmares 30 plus years later about Isiah Thomas.
The FILM shows MJ struggled to lead his team to victory when he had to go head to head with either fundamental Isiah Thomas or playground legend Isiah Thomas.
Isiah Thomas could get the best out of limited skilled players like John Salley, Dennis Rodman or Bill Laimbeer while MJ couldn't do the same with Brad Sellers, Craig Hodges or John Paxson.
MJ and the Bulls SWEPT them whilst they were back to back champs the very next season 😂
@@nasmaxfit isn't it ironic that the very first season the Bulls won the Central Division was right after Isiah's wrist injury?
At the time of his injury, Detroit had the 3rd best record in the NBA behind Portland and Boston.
MJ NEEDED a weakened Isiah Thomas to finally get his ass over that hump.
@@123slasher.16 yep, it was complete luck that they 3-peated twice.
@@nasmaxfit Isiah Thomas won his titles beating NCAA and NBA champions like Magic, Jabbar, Worthy, Bird, Jordan and others.
MJ won his titles against the ring less 1990s stars like Ewing, Miller, Barkley, Stockton, Malone, KJ, Kemp and against coattail winners like Drexler and Payton.
@@123slasher.16 Zeke is my ALL TIME favorite point guard, why are you trying to argue with me? lol
Because of all the Jordan bias. People forget how dominant and Clutch Zeke was. 2nd only to Magic Johnson as greatest PG ever! Not a Pistons fan.
What makes Magic better ??? 🤔 ... because I can give u reasons, why Isiah is better
Isiah is the best PG in terms of PG skills.
6'9" vs 6'2" makes Magic more versatile.
Nawh it’s magic and curry for top two pg all time
@@freegucci4380 So you say.
Curry is not the defender or distributer #11 was.
Magic wasn't the scorer or defender.
@@reesevom2814 💯💯 Tell em! 💯💯
I think Isiah makes a great argument as best PG ever. Only Magic and Oscar can compete for that honor. But Isiah was so effective at 6’0, so I give the title to him.
It's Magic but Isiah is second on my list.
I Agree, Magic is more popular but Isiah is #1 PG ever to me
@@TommyGibbs1 Somebody tried saying that Chris Paul was better than Isaiah 🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿 I like CP3 but better than Isaiah???
@@allengreene9954 I’m with you, CP definitely not better than Zeke.... Isiah could’ve and probably would’ve been the first player ever (Lebron is about to do it) to get 20k points 10k assists but he sacrificed his numbers for winning🏆
Charles Barkley said Magic was the best, but that Magic was also a freak of nature: Isiah was the best “pure” point guard, or what Charles Barkley calls what a point guard should be.
Isiah Lord Thomas knows how to get separation... does anybody else sees the skill-set??? His name is Zeke... world champion... y'all need to put some respect on his name
If you watch the highlights of this game, you would truly understand why Isiah Thomas is not only a generational talent but one of the greatest NCAA and NBA champions of ALL TIME.
You want scoring and clutch shooting, it's there?
If you want perfect point guard play and passing, look closely.
But what was always overlooked was his outstanding team and individual defense, whether it was forcing a double team, his on the ball defense and his ability to rotate on switches to turn defense into easy offensive scoring chances.
Remember, when he left the NBA he was 3rd all time in assists and 5th all time in steals while playing less than 1000 career games.
@Bread And Circuses Curry is a outstanding shooter but he doesn't run a offense .
He gets assists passing to open guys for open shots .
Isiah RAN championship offenses in high school, college, international play and the NBA because HE CREATED shots for teammates whether it was in transition or a half court set.
@Bread And Circuses the only reasons why Isiah is even considered underrated is because (a) he played for Detroit, where athletes are not in the popular spotlight and (b) many were upset that he won against the most popular players of his era.
If he did those things for NY, LA or Chicago, he would have been in the MVP discussion every year.
@Bread And Circuses yep 👍
Laimbeer and Rodman were just scary in defense
And rebounds.
Dumars was among the best defender as well.
Both did terrific against Jordan.
What gets lost in the whole Jordan immortalization and how he never saw a Game 7 in the Finals and blah blah blah, is the fact that the Pistons OWNED Jordan for three straight years! It took him four freakin tries to finally get past an aging Pistons team. Those Bad Boys don't get nearly enough credit for repeatedly preventing Mr. Invincible from reaching the Finals. The irony is, The Pistons probably did Jordan's legacy a favor by beating him before the Bulls had a chance to get smoked in the Finals by the Showtime Lakers.
From 90 to 91 they fell off a cliff or something? Lol
Pistons were the nemesis of the bulls in that time.
No wonder jordan hated thomas because Thomas is the only player to beat him more than once in his entire career😆
Zeke owned Jordan, plain and simple. Damn
ZEKE WAS A WHEELER AND A DEALER AND A DREAM KILLER WHEN HE WAS HEALTHY HE OWNED MJ PERIOD !!!
@@gregorynelson3170 Wrong! Jordan didn't have a good team
@@courtneywhite6036 that pistons team was not that good though compared to the big 3 celtics that lebron had to face
@@ramzyy5362 - Don't engage. The MJ excuse makers will come out of the woodwork to attack.
@@robertcherry7190 excuse makers??? Scottie pippen was 1 of 10 this game and Horace Grant was 3-17 😂😂 Jordan had 0 help till 1991
I didn’t see any JORDAN RULES happening. MJ just got his ass kicked.
chicago got they ass kicked, mj had 31 this game
@@stefanogasasira9406 Ah , yes, the old Kevin Durant "he got his..."
If this is a bad defense, then in the modern league there is no defense at all.
For example: th-cam.com/video/vyrf8Y6UkUI/w-d-xo.html ECFR: Celtics vs 76ers. Game 1 Highlights.
0:27, 0:52, 2:32, 3:39, 3:54, 6:44, 7:26, 8:49, 9:02, 9:56.
1:10, 2:02, 3:17, 3:32, 5:16.- Against such a weak Defense, Michael Jordan can score 100 Points.
1:35, 3:10, 6:19.- Against such a terrible Defense, Shaquille O"Neal or Hakeem Olajuwon would have scored 50-Points.
Exactly. Isiah and the Bad Boys we're just better, mentally tougher. The man was Isiah in the late 80s. Isiah beat all those legends. They couldn't stop Isiah. Best PG of all time.
Jordan always got his behind kicked by Isiah... Thomas allowed him to win in '91.
NBA of 90 was fantastic!!!!
We had so many strong personalities!
Players abd times bigger than life!!!!
Now i understand why Mike hates Isaiah.
This is the real reason Jordan has animosity towards Isaiah. Had nothing to do with one handshake
Isiah
post game comments from MJ (doesn't sound like sore loser to me): ”I`m proud of the season and what we achieved,” said Jordan, whose 12 third quarter points gave the Bulls what little hope they carried Sunday. ”So I’m going to look at this as a learning experience.
”Certainly, some guys didn’t play as they were capable, but that happens,” said Jordan. ”You’ve got to move on and try to see that you can go farther next year.”
@@felixa8607What were his and Phil Jackson comments when they were beating them the next season? 🤔
Facts
@@antoniojames9493this
Why doesn’t this ever get brung up in the goat discussion
It doesn't support the narrative.
Burnt tapes he got alot of them!
It does get brought up. Isaiah Thomas is a killer who would wreck today’s league too
@@robertcherry7190 what do you mean ?
@@robertcherry7190 lol no Piston were a great team they kicked Bulls ass also mj got no help
Behind Kobe, Zeke is my fav player. Shorter than average guy playing point gave me inspiration
Isiah is so underrated clearly the 2nd best point guard of all time, jordan could not guard Isiah at all
Jordan literally wasn’t guarding him in any of these highlights.. BJ was lol Jordan was first team all-defense 9 times and won DPOY (while averaging 30)… but ya he couldn’t guard isiah 👍🏼
@@mattf3846 i thought mj always guarded the best player. where that narrative go?
@@justinyan7938 Jordan guarded Thomas and Dumars in this series, the 2 best players. In game 7(this one) Jordan guarded Dumars,who ended up shooting 2/7 from the field. He also did a good job on Isiah Thomas during the series when he guarded him. Thomas shot 39.6% from the field in this series.
Only Karl could guard him
@@mattf3846 yea against bums but he couldn't guard Isiah 💀
It was a very kind gesture for Michael Jordan not to use his super "will to win" powers on Isiah this game.
TheRiggedBA lol
TheRiggedBA the so called "goat" Jordan could only "upset" weaklings like Cleveland on the road in that era.
@@FuShengAlex he literally took them to 7 when they swept everyone else lol
@@ggjmmnbnnn7413 yeah but we're always pushed 6-0 in the Finals, invincible will to win, crushed everyone in his path, blah blah blah.
The videos of him and Chicago winning titles have millions of views in some cases
What a shocker this video only has barely over 3,000. Lmao.
@@ggjmmnbnnn7413 I wonder if you felt the same way about leBron pushing the warriors to 6 in 2015 with no kyrie and no love 🤔
Thomas heart of lion and pure skills .
The pistons had the best team that year
Jordan had the best TEAM six times
Ohio Ono Thanks for admitting that.
the P's had their 4- year run (basically 1987-1991) as a serious force and did it without lots of dunking, slashing, and alley-ooping. They did it off jump shots, lay ins, and concrete defense.
The Best TEAM usually always wins!
@YO B Zeke is my favorite player of all time and Jordan is no 🐐 of mine. My point was the best team wins because it's a team sport. Jordan had a great team and arguably the greatest coach that Jordan groupies like to dismiss. So my original statement that the Bulls had the best team six times stands...Pistons did get robbed with that phantom call on Kareem in the finals though
Oh my gosh they were ripping Chicago to shreds 🥴
The only game 7 loss MJ had in his career.
@@hectorlopez1069 lol okay? Was I talking about MJ or was I talking about Chicago as a whole? Y’all delusional 😭🤣
@@IAMSOMIDthat's how the rockets would have done in the 94 nba finals against Jordan bulls.
People forget how great Detroit were because they won back to back championships but were between The Lakers winning back to back titles and the Bulls winning their first 3 championships and every team hated The Bad Boys of Detroit!
This is one of the many reasons why Jordan hates Isiah!!
Here is what we know. Until 1991, the Pistons owned Jordan and the Bulls. Jordan couldn't guard Isiah. Jordan bagged on the Pistons in 1991 after the 3rd game of the ECF. Claimed they were bad for the league and the Bulls would represent the league better. The NBA favored Jordan and wanted to market him. The NBA changed its rules to help Jordan. The Olympic team gave Jordan full reigns so he called the shots and decided to keep Isiah off the Dream Team out of spite in 1992. After the 1993 season the Pistons were disbanded. Jordan and the Bulls ran rough shod over the league after the Pistons, Celtics and Lakers ran out of steam. From 1984 to 1990, Jordan and the Bulls didn't win squat. In the era that really mattered, during the best competition and before the rules were changed and the league watered down through expansion, Jordan couldn't win 1 trophy.
1989-1990: MJ was the only one who put up a decent resistance to the Detroit Pistons. MJ was the only star player on his team. Despit this, he led the Chicago Bule to the 1989 Eastern Conference Finals.
1989 ECF:
*MJ carried them to 2 wins vs Pistons- no other team beat them once in the Playoffs.*
Scotte Pippen had a poor 10- 7- 3, on 40% for the series.
MJ could have won the title back in 1990 if Scotte Pippen and Horace Grant hadn"t played like a scrubs.
1990 ECF. Game 7:
*Scotte Pippen=2-Points, on 10%.*
*Horace Grant=10-Points, on 17%.*
No one can win a game with such terrible teammates.
*Michael Jordan=31-Points, on 48%.*
@@allanhouston6759 Detroit just had the better team and better strategy. What's also missing here is that Paxson didn't play Game 7 due to an ankle injury. What finally carried the Bulls over the hump in 1991 past Detroit en route to becoming champions was having Pippen play the Point. When he flourished with that, so did the team. Phil Jackson said this in his book Eleven Rings.
Agreed. Although if his career and his teammates started in 1980 he'd probably have at least 1 over the pistons and it would've been back and forth with their rings. Battling Bird would've put the miles on mj and Detroit would've still gotten about 2 championships
Facts
The 80' and 90's were both rough and tough times in Basketball! It got soft in the 2000's with no more hand checks
We can’t speak of MJ greatness without Isaiah Thomas and the Detroit bad boys
Jordan not winning this game 7 like he usually does.
@@hectorlopez1069pippen was out for migraine 🤦🏻♂️
@@TEX8109 always making excuses for Jordan. Sickening
@@hectorlopez1069 yes, exactly
@@hectorlopez1069 do you know someone who has won without loss?
Destroyed Jordan. #1 PG all time and only 6'1".
He got it done against the legend.
When did this happen?!? I thought Jordan played 6 seasons on the nba? Lol. Also, where is this insanely tough physical d mj was going against?
Let Skip tell it.
It's not even the full game
You make assumptions based on highlights? 😂
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Don't get it twisted, they mud stomped MJ's ass on their way to the 1st Finals title. Couldn't repeat it for yhe 2nd so they whooped on Pippen.
With that said, these highlights are great.
BAD BOYS for life!!!
They proved that
That's why he was left off the dream team because of them ass whoopings the Pistons put on Chicago he still hates Isaiah
Jordan who?
as a chicagoan who lived and breathed bulls from 84 til i moved away in 1996....one of the happiest days of my life was the game 4 sweep in Detoit/91. Even beating Magic and the LAL in 5 did not match beating the miserable Pistons. HOWEVER, I thank them so much in retrospect. When the dynasty was being challenged by thuggery by the 2 Davis's, Miller and Schempf in Inidana, by Ewing, Starks, Mason and Xavier in New York...and by Mourning and Riley in Miami....I told my fellow Bulls fans in Chicago who were worried that the Bulls might be out-toughed......"Calm down, they are not the Bad Bays, we'll be okay"......so thank you Bad Boys, for making Chicago Bulls one of the toughest, and most willful team in NBA history.
What really annoys me, are all the comments trying to delegitimatize the Detroit Pistons and their accomplishments; back to back championships, etc. Excuses being made in hindsight. "Pippen's migraine saved the Pistons in 1990". "Pistons had a good head start on the Bulls..." Excuses galore being made. The 4 game sweep in 1991 and the walk-off is the one and only thing people talk about. Oh and by the way, even in the 4 game sweep, Chicago won 2 of those 4 by less than 10 points, 6 and 8 points, respectively, so it's not like Detroit was not competing, and the games themselves were one-sided. Although Chicago was in control of those 4 games, Detroit was competing. In 1990, Pippen's migraine had nothing to do with it. It was a 7 game series. At the time, the format for the CSF and CF, unlike the NBA finals, which was 2-3-2, had a 2-2-1-1-1 format. Pistons had homecourt in 1990. Detroit won the first two at the Palace. Chicago won the next 2 at Chicago Stadium, tying the series 2-2. Game 5 is probably the most crucial and pivotal game of a series that's tied 2-2 after 4 games. The ONLY way Chicago was going to win that series was by taking a game at the Palace. They didn't do that. Detroit decisively won Game 5, 97-83. The Bulls won Game 6 in Chicago, sending it to a 7th game. So, the Bulls were playing a 7th game of a playoff series on the road - and it had been 8 years since the last time a road team had won a Game 7 in any playoff round, and would be 5 more years before it would happen again. A couple of years later, in 1992, 1993, and 1994, Game 5 being a very pivotal and crucial game, with a series tied 2-2, Chicago won in 1992 and 1993 (both against New York) and New York won Game 5 in 1994 (with a controversial call on Pippen, a conversation for another day. Game 5 in the 1994 ECF was won by Indiana, and New York had to win game 6 on the road to close it out at home, which is an exception and not a rule. Detroit didn't have a mere head start on Chicago, the beat them 3 straight years.
Several factors contributed to the Bulls sweep of the Pistons in 1991. Losing 3 straight years, they were happy to get to play them again and they'd want it no other way than their road to the title to have to go through the Detroit Pistons. Isiah Thomas had been injured much of that season. He missed the All-Star game. So, he wasn't quite the player he had been a year and 2 years before. Meanwhile, Chicago only lost 2 playoff games that year, both of which were only by 2 points. Philadelphia beat them 99-97 in Game 3 of the ECSF, and the L.A. Lakers beat them 93-91 in Game 1 of the NBA finals. With a healthy Isiah Thomas, they probably could've pull out a close victory in that series (though Bulls would've won no matter what. Chicago was a mad, determined team in 1991. But the next season, repeating, as they'd learn, was much harder. They survived the Knicks in a 7 game series, lost 2 to Cleveland in the ECF, and blew leads against Portland in the NBA finals, so they didn't understand what it took to go back to back.
Pistons also had similar issues, as mentioned above that the Lakers had against them in 1989. Key injuries, and of course the Lakers got swept in 1989. Oh and by the way, I hated the Pistons too. I was mad when Chicago lost the 1989 series.
4-game sweeps seem one-sided, but the Pistons played the Bulls tighter, still competing, only losing two of those four game by 6 and 8 points, respectively. If I were the uploader of this video, I would delete every comment that delegitimizes the Detroit Pistons and the accomplishments.
Wow Detriot gave the Bulls da business!! People forget history and the facts.
Oh they don't forget...
I think I posted some of this earlier before on your discussion tab, but I found a few more additional pieces of info to make it more thorough.
*2004 Pistons' Shot-Clock Era Playoff Defensive Records*
Allowed under 90 points in 18 playoff games
Allowed under 85 points in 16 playoff games
Allowed under 80 points in 11 playoff games
Allowed under 75 points in 6 playoff games
Allowed under 70 points in 6 playoff games
Allowed 65 or less points in 3 playoff games
One of 2 teams (1998 Bulls) to allow under 60 points in a playoff game
Allowed under 40% FG in 12 playoff games (NBA record)
Allowed under 35% FG in 5 playoff games (Tied-NBA record, 1999 Knicks)
Allowed under 30% FG in 2 playoff games (Tied-NBA record, 1999 Knicks)
Least PPG allowed in a shot-clock era Playoff run of any length
- The 2004 Pistons allowed 80.696 PPG
- slightly lower than the 2000 Heat at 80.700 PPG allowed
Excluding Overtime periods
- the 2004 Pistons allowed 78.6 PPG for the Playoffs in regulation
- compared to 79.9 PPG allowed for the 2000 Heat
The 2004 Pistons had a 92.0 DRTG in the Playoffs
- This is the lowest DRTG any team has had in a Post-1st Round Playoff run in the 3-point era (1980-present)
- The 2000 Spurs had a 91.4 DRTG, but this was in a 1st Round loss of only 4 games
The 2005 Pistons also allowed the least PPG in a post-2004 rule changes Playoff run of any length at 85.6 PPG allowed.
That 65 or less stat still amuses me.
More good information that I found
Teams that were number 1 in the Playoffs in all 3 of these categories
- PPG Allowed
- DRTG
- OPP FG%
*Teams that Passed the 1st Round*
- 1986 Celtics (18 games)
- 1988 Pistons (23 games)
- 1989 Pistons (17 games)
- 1990 Pistons (20 games)
- 1997 Heat (17 games)
- 1999 Spurs (17 games)
- 2010 Magic (14 games)
- 2014 Wizards (11 games)
*Teams that Lost in 1 Round*
- 1976 Bullets (7 games)
- 1977 Cavaliers (3 games)
- 1981 Suns (7 games)
- 1983 Hawks (3 games)
- 1985 Rockets (5 games)
The 1988-1989-1990 Pistons did this 3 years in a row, no other team has done it for 2 consecutive Playoffs
Playoff DRTG is not available on Bball-ref pre-1974
Playoff OPP FG% is not available on BBall-ref pre-1971
The 1971 Bucks (14 games)
- led the Playoffs in PPG allowed
- led the Playoffs in OPP FG%
- had the number 1 regular season DRTG
It is likely that one or more of Russell's Celtic teams achieved this in the Playoffs, but Playoff DRTG and OPP FG% is not available for the 1960s Celtics.
They led the Playoffs in least PPG allowed in 1961 and 1964-1965-1966. And had the number 1 regular season DRTG under Russell every year aside from 1968 when they were ranked 2nd.
The 2004 Pistons allowed 0.06% higher OPP FG% than the Nets while playing more than twice the games (23 to 11). If not for that, they would have led all post-1st Round teams of all-time in PPG allowed, DRTG, and OPP FG% since the Playoff data for those stats have been available and in the 3-point era (1980-present)
@@NobodyTouchesJordan are you. LeBron hater?
Probably the best dribbler ever! Possibly the best 6ft player ever apart from Iverson?
Beg to differ
Calvin Murphy, Bob Cousy,
Nate Archibald, B. Free etc. The list can go on however Isaiah was a
muther sumthing. All those mentioned were ill with the 💊
@@doseloverstar4991 cap
Better than Iverson. Isiah knew how to win championships.
People criticize today’s super teams but they forget the bad boy pistons was a super team
So were the Jordan bulls & the rule changes didn't hurt either
Why can’t The Bad Boys get there respect, the league won’t do it and Jordan and his crew won’t do it!
The Bad Boys went to five straight Eastern Conference Finals and three straight NBA Finals winning two Championships. That's their respect!!!
Zeke would always grab 7-8 defensive boards in big games .
AT 6'1"!!!😳😳😳
So all these oversized NBA players 6'7" to 7'1" have absolutely no excuse
Isiah Thomas what a player!!!
Certainly, 2-time NBA Champion
This is the real Chicago Bulls... the fact that Thomas was injured like crazy in '91 told us where the Pistons were in '90 to where they were in '91... Isiah Thomas controlled it all, even in the loss and 'the walk-off' he controlled how the Bulls both won and lost, that's the ultimate control... to the point where Jordan is still upset over a hand shake 29 years ago... amazing power and control Isiah Thomas and the Pistons have over the Jordan-led Bulls.
We cant name 1 of Jordan's teamates stop the cap
@@JoseJimenez-gt2zs What are you talking about?
@@plainsimple244 1 player can't beat a team
@@JoseJimenez-gt2zs Right... that's my point about the Chicago Bulls - they were a one man team... that's why game 7 in 1990 vs. Detroit showed this...which is why I never bought the Pistons getting swept by Chicago in '91 because I saw how weak the Bulls were in 1990... you beat a team like Detroit beat Chicago 3 straight years, and then you don't win a game - you don't forget how to beat a team like that, which makes me think Detroit let them win, stepped aside, and walked off.
@@JoseJimenez-gt2zs Pippen?
Bad Boys forever
Love that Pippen face on the bench
There are only a couple people who are better than Michael Jordan Isiah Thomas is one of them
Notice on most of the plays Mr. Thomas scores, Air Jordan is hiding by guarding someone else? Because he would have been torched.
I personally think the real reason Jordan doesn’t like Isaiah Thomas, is because Isaiah got the better of him in many games, like this one. The walkout was just the final straw. I think Isaiah was better playmaker at this point in their careers. He was a better passer, and better court general.
Jordan was thoroughly frustrated in this game and he even had Pippin on the team.
Zeke is the worst enemy of jordan, damn he was that good
Growing up I didn’t even know jordan lost in the playoffs because I would always hear the 6-0 in finals as jordan fan boys say just shows how the media deceived you
The media also did it's hardest to burn the tapes of the 1995 ECSF between the Bulls and Magic, I know why people claim that *"Jordan missed 2 years"*
@breadandcircuses8127 I disagree. His stats appere to be better in the 95 postseason than in 96 but he u could see it on him that he didnt have the stamina to win a intense playoff game in 95. He lost the bulls 2 games himself against the magic in 95. There is more to game than stats.
If it was lebron they'd say he dissapeared
No one says Lebron disappears when he losses to a better team
1990 ECF. Game 7:
*Scotte Pippen= 2-Points, FG-10%.*
*Horace Grant=10-Points, FG-17%.*
MJ didn"t choke.
*Michael Jordan=31-Points, FG-48%.* Lebron fans are so $tupid.
Hahah they gone sit here n say this man ain't give up with 3 minutes to go lol he barely moved hahah 😂🤣 Smh I love busting these myths of GODS
@@allanhouston6759 IT owns jorbum
@@allanhouston6759 lebron's game is made more around passing than MJ so if you stop him, it's not going to eat at him if he can make others score. Mj can pass good if he wants to, but that's because of everyone collapsing on him because of his more dominant scoring ability. The pistons had the ability the guard Jordan and everyone else making the rest of his team obsolete when the pistons decided to show up (and thus, why everyone else on the bulls "showed up" in 91 against the dying pistons who didn't even make the playoffs 2 years later). 31 points is great but it's not good enough when your teammates can't score. Mj did it before scoring 69 vs Cleveland and won in OT was what was needed out of him.
I witnessed this as it happened...It made me 🤢 to my stomach...but give the Pistons credit...they did what they had to do to win...
They won it fair and square
Isaiah was doing Jordan....the world and Mike wanna forget how Jordan was getting handled by Isaiah...but here it is...
There's still a footprint on Jordan's ass from Isiah.
@@nothingnothing7648 1990 was good learning for MJ. Michael thanked Isaiah for helping turn MJ into the GOAT.
What the NBA & ESPN doesn't want you to see or know. As if the Pistons ON EVERY PLAY were a fight ready to happen. They don't talk about the brilliant offense, high basketball IQ, Isiahs leadership, wise coaching of Chuck Daly, etc... They'll praise their tenacious defense but then show clips of a couple of scuffles or them putting MJ on his back saying "they were the dirty". Personally I wish they'd stop it!!
True Words
It's because the Jordan made the NBA rich. He made ESPN wealthy as well. Instead of basketball being about teams and games it became about superstars and highlights. It turned from a team game into an individual game. A physical game into a ballet recital. And all the little kiddies born after 1990 were brainwashed into thinking that the ballet recital was basketball. That fouls were crimes. That Michael Jordan was the end all and be all and that no one played basketball before he did or could beat him ever.
The Pistons were a dirty team with Laimbeer, Mahorn and Rodman
@@The_Cannabis_Connoisseur they were a great team .
I exposed the 1991 reffing in the ECF and in a regular season game as well and literally all the videos got deleted.
🏀 clearly the best player on the court, was the kid from Chicago, Isiah Thomas !!! Westside
He had skills
Jordan got good when his competition got old
THE ONLY PLAYER WHO OWNED THE LEASH OF MICHAEL JORDAN! 😄😄😄
Larry Bird
@@mrbeankmp3509 he owned the leash when Jordan was a puppy. Then passed it to Isaiah
@@antonioguglielmetti2661 jordan got owned by bird
@@mikewilliams9069if someone drops 60 on your head and you admit he's the best player you've even seen, it's absolutely the opposite of getting owned from the individual standpoint. The 1985-86 Bulls got owned by the 1985-86 Celtics. Swap Jordan and Bird and no team outcome is different.
The only year that the early bulls had an even matchup in the ECF was in 1990.
@@antonioguglielmetti2661 did the statpadder win or lose? didn't think so. swept and owned out the first round again
When The Bad Boys ruled the world.
They were talented and tough
Great upload. At least at one point Isiah Thomas worked himself to 3rd all time in career assists. It's evident in your upload.
No one mention that next year Bulls did win, but there was in big part thanks to Stern and the NBA introducing in 1990 the 'flagrant foul' rule, to help Jordan doesn't get that much punishment.
I remember thinking Damian Lillard would have this career path. I see now that IT was an elite playmaker and defender. He’s truly a top point guard or all-time. Dude snatched the ball out of Jordan’s hands. That’s crazy
are you joiking,lilliard,steph curry cant do what isiah did considering that there was real defense back then.....none of these point guards is in zeke level....current basket is too soft and easy...nonsense
Best rivalry of all time pistons and bulls no debate.
If Isiah had not been injured Jordan would only have about 3 rings.
I think he would 5 or 4 but definitely more than 3. I don’t think he would have six though.
Bullshit
See how different the game was then than now???
So much better then..
Detroit went crazy lol..
The Bulls' last playoff series loss until the 1994 Eastern Conference Semifinals to the New York Knicks. It would be MJ's last playoff series loss until the 1995 Eastern Conference Semifinals to the Orlando Magic. However, it would be his final playoff series loss of his career when he has played a full season.
Isaiah Thomas is the best .
It's why Jordan, Magic, Barcley Malone and Pippen opposed his selection for the 92 Olympics as a member of the dream team !
Thomas was going to overshadow them during this competition in Barcelona!
The funny thing was that this was the first year that The Bulls used the Triangle Offense. It clearly was working until Game 7, when Pippen caught his stress migraine. This is why the Pistons still won: they were mentally tougher than The Bulls at this point. For Pippen and the Bulls, this was the biggest game of their lives. For the Pistons, it was just time to go to work. The Bulls needed one more year to toughen up and be ready.
Another person responsible for Mike's greatness on the low here he learned how hard you really gotta go zeke taught mj killer instinct when it matters most team leadership in tough times and being an assassin to win not just score points it was watching the pistons unity where the bulls learned to move as a team before that it was just " Mj save us" no Zeke no MJ bottom line!
Ppl give Lebron a lot of shit for giving up against warriors, well Jordan did the same thing here in the final minutes. As you see he’s no longer trying on defense anymore because he knew the game was over
Jay Thompson lebron better than cry baby jordan
Jay Thompson lebron has better stats than Jordan and has played much better comp at his position than mj. Also zone. And last time I checked, Michael cried on the bus after he lost.
Jay Thompson bronsexual? Is that your rebuttal for me stating an opinion? You still ignored my point which is that mj had worse comp at his own position than lebron; in fact, the sg position was the weakest position in the league at the time. And zone...you ignore zone. Mj has never had a successful season (college or nba) under zone defense. You are correct on one part tho. The eastern conference was stronger back then, but lebrons finals comp is much better than mjs.
Jay Thompson and I’m not sure where you got that factoid, “who cares about stats?” Line from. If that’s the case, Robert horry is better than mj and Magic is better than mj as he won more in less time.
Jay Thompson so I guess iguodala is better than curry because he has more fmvps? Magic won his rings in less time. Besides, how are you judging team talent? Last time I checked, mj also had a superteam in the second three peat, and I would say he had a lot more help than LeBron.
Thomas was a stone cold killer . Way underrated …a few can say they beat Jordan , Magic , and Bird. Isaiah is that guy. No wonder Jordan hates him 😂
I think despite MJ being considered by most to be the "GOAT" of Basketball this period would always "leave a bad taste in his mouth". Even if he outscored Zeke, Zeke was the more enterprising and he out smarted and out hustled MJ and he knows it even until this day and that's why he hates Zeke so much, also because honestly Zeke also played a little dirty but hey Jordan did the same thing.
Jordan is a “great defender” yet can’t even guard little isiah thomas😂🤣
Your wording of this is kinda silly. "Can't even"
As if Isaiah Thomas is some bum off the bench. Then you could use the words can't even. Isaiah was one of the best point guards off all time so it's not that surprising. If Rodman scored that on MJ then you'd have a point.
After this season, I felt The Bulls became a more defense minded team.
1986-1990
1)Isiah Thomas
2) magic
3) bird
4) mike
@J.B Cooper that time frame?
History, 86to90.
Damn Isaiah was a beast
Jordan in The Last Dance : I didn't play that game; that dude wearing 23, that wasn't me; I don't know who it was.
But I wasn't there, you can ask Tim Grover, I was in Chicago eating poisoned pizzas
😂😂😂😂💯
*"that was my twin brother on the court"* 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thomas played under the old rules which didn't allow you to carry the basketball and take additional steps. Imagine he could just carry the ball wherever he wanted to or take additional steps.
Isiah Thomas is better than Michael Jordan
Jason Terry is better than LeFlop.
@@allanhouston6759 LeBron has nothing to do with this video Allan Loon
*Bill Laimbeer>>>Michael Jordan LOL*
Pound for pound you're absolutely right ! If Isiah was 6'6 he would be the GOAT !
Kwame Brown>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Jordan
This looks like jv basketball compared to what we see today
Ahh, the good old days. 😊
Every team gets old, that’s what happened to Detroit; after winning two (back-to-back) championships.
Should've won it in 1988.
That’s why Jordan still hates Thomas to this day.
Mark did not travel.....
So we not gonna talk about that pass at 1:45?
Zeke was cold! 💯💯
When you’re hot, you’re hot. Isiah was and will always be the MAN.
This is for all the young Curry jock sniffers. Thomas>Curry cause back in the 80s and 90s they played Defense. Best small point guard ever and its not close. No one had the will, the skills, and the speed of this man. He could score on anyone with a busted ankle.
Lmaoo nah steph is playing in a more skilled era with better teams. the two best pgs ever are steph and magic simple, ya old heads live in the past too much 😂
@@simplyjay0748 lol, Curry's lucky what he did its not called travel
at 0:48 this is how* they would defend Curry if he was in this era, look how proper it looks with the handchecking