Crop Lenses on Full-Frame Cameras (Canon, Nikon, Sony & Pentax)
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4:02 Technically, the Canon EF-S specs allow for lenses that would hit the larger mirror of a full-frame camera, so Canon EF-S lenses have a camera mount that is designed not to fit. Third-party APS-C lenses, such as Sigma lenses, generally WILL fit Canon full-frame bodies. Thanks to all who pointed this out.
6:36 It should say "27-52 f/2.7". I made a typo and then copied it over and over.
6 months ago, putting APS-C (crop) lenses on Canon, Nikon, Sony, & Pentax full-frame bodies seemed like a stupid idea. Today, it often makes sense, and we use it regularly. I'll tell you why, and explain the math behind it.
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Dear Tony and Chelsea,
Would you advise to take photos with the Sony 18-105 on the Sony A7Rii body?
Hi Tony, nice video, thanks.
An aps-c lens + 1.4x teleconverter will almost fill a full frame sensor.
But still some lenses will give a slight vignetting.
2x teleconverter will definetely cover the whole sensor. But you may loose autofocus of some lenses.
Your explanation is very clear on just about everything you talk. It's
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Another excellent, informative and pleasantly presented video. None of the destructive, negative nonsense we sometimes read elsewhere posted by individuals whose lives appear to revolve around lurking in the dark with a speedlight ready to pounce and attack, yet seem have little positive to say themselves. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for covering Pentax so often lately, Tony. :)
I was wondering if you had done a video like this. I saw your video on full frame lenses on crop cameras, and wondered what your thoughts were on the opposite of that. Thanks for the video Tony.
Once again, you managed to take a complex concept and made it easy to digest. Thanks.
Great video - glad you guys are incorporating more Pentax into your vids
Definitely one of the best exposé about crop, sensor etc....you deserve to,teach in the best schools...congrats from France !
Good job tony! Great vid! Super informative and helped me choose the lens
Fascinating video. I always enjoy your 'nerdy' offerings, and I particularly find your comments on noise level increase when using a crop lens on a full frame body very interesting. The whole thing can be turned on its head, however, and a similar effective noise increase will occur when cropping ANY image on ANY camera, whether full or crop frame, when blown back to full size for printing/distribution. Also, I know a lot of people advocate shooting 4K video so they can crop it for 1080i/p use, but that also involves noise implications in my experience. However, it's all a bit academic, since the noise shaping characteristics of modern workflows generally produce cleaner images than celluloid ever did, especially if film was push processed.
this was a fantastic video. so informative. Thank you for being so thorough.
As usual, excellent review+tips and very practical indeed!
I use my Pentax DA* 300mm f/4 with my Pentax K-1 in full frame mode. I get some pretty stunning results with no vignetting. With the benefit of the Pentax in camera IS, makes this an even more stellar combo.
Excellent video Tony, keep the nerdy videos coming please!
VERY good explanation, very thorough, THANK YOU!!
Finally got a clear answer to this question. Other videos got me confused even further. Thank you!
been using my nikon D610 with my old lens Sigma 17-50mm f2.8 and the results are still great. i used to use it with my starter camera d3200. great video on making this understandable. thanks tony
Good stuff Tony. Well presented information, as usual. I was wondering about crop lenses for video on full frame since it doesn't use the full sensor.
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For Canon EF-S you can use a short extension tube to add separation between mirror and lens, which will prevent physical damage. With an extension tube you will lose infinity focus but if you're using fast glass then you tend to use it close up for background blur so infinity focus is not critical. If you want to use narrow apertures then there are plenty of zooms available.
I have waited so long for this video thank you!!
I think this is the best video I found on this topic. Thank you!
Great video Tony. I was shocked when my Sigma 18-35mm 1.8 fit on my Canon 6D. It is an excellent lens on even on my 6D as another lens to choose from.
You did a great job making it understandable. Thank you.
Very important video for anyone interested in buying a full-frame camera (and hoping to use inexpensive lenses).
Is the 1.5x crop the super 35 feature? I had the A7Sii which didn't allow for super 35 mode at 4K but you could get around it with clear image zoom and zooming in till the vignetting is gone.(apparently it's the same result) I returned it and am getting the Sony A9 and I'm wondering if it's similar to the A7Rii or the A7Sii and do you end up with that same "half the noise ,better image quality" without the super 35 mode when using APS-C lenses.
I think the D810s 1.2x crop mode is worth mentioning. 25mpix with 6fps. pretty much no crop required on apsc lenses and you waste less image circle than with an apsc camera. For sports and wildlife you also get to see more around your subject which is handy. I have used it when atached to my scope.
Barnabas Mackay does the d610 do that?
@@Claire18Hi No
Tony Awesome as always with geeky math even better and glad to see you using the Sony line. I went through comments and only two about Sony SEL1018 when used in full frame mode is 12-17mm WITH NO LOSS OF PIXEL COUNT on my A7s, I use it for Milky Way shots with no coma like the Rokinon 14mm f/2.8 that to get rid of coma have to shot at f/4-5.6 anyway. At 12mm it is equal if not better than the Voigtlander 12mm f/5.6 with Voigtlander closeup. AND AF/IS great walkabout lens with data sent to camera also. With everyone hooked on Video maybe the unheard off lens for that wide wide look everyone wants! Great night shooter....
Amazing stuff, didn't know that some crop sensor lenses project a circle that can fill all of a full frame sensor ... , great video
this was extremely helpful, thanks tony.
That voice Tony, incredible!!!
Great Tony,another brilliant video....
My nifty 50 fits my 6d Mark II as does my Sigma 18- sigma works on image stabilization mode... with a lil quality blow
Great video. Very useful information.
Interesting information. Thanks for that. But what about the bit where you mentioned that if you zoom in with lenses made for an APSC it's not really an issue? Like does that mean that if I use my Tokina 11-20mm f2.8 (made for APSC but technically has an EF mount) on a full frame, all your loss of megapixels calculations apply at 11mm, but not so much if it's zoomed in to 20mm?
APS-C using the the FULL FRAME can be fun. Have other people experimented? I would love to exchange ideas. Especially how to get around the automatic crop on Nikon full frame (ff) bodies!
Just treated myself to the 7artisan f 1.2 35mm as a kind of fun lens. Mounted on a Sony A7 it produces pleasant, strong vignetting - keep in mind, the first Kodak Brownies had circular images! Distortion is well controlled, even on the ff sensor. For instagram and other mostly square uses you get pleasant results. With a cheap, extra-luminous solid leight-weight toy. I personally love it
I put my Sony 50mm A mount APS-C on my A7. If I open the aperture I get just slightly darker edges. But I tried frame with darker object in the corners. As long as all corners are covered you don't see the vignetting anymore.
Thank you for sharing this video it is so helpful. I have d 750 and dx nikon lens 18-105 mm. What image area options be good to use (fx or dx). Thank you
Hey Tony, just 2 question which isn't relevant to this video but anyway first question is what can I take in my camera bag as hand luggage on a aeroplane for my holiday trip, I have the basic centrals batteries chargers flash filters ect and second question is any tips on keeping my camera cool in the sun and in camera bag, I was thinking of using a cooler bag maybe to keep thing out of the heat, would be grate for some feed back from a pro :=) all the best from us in the UK
I have a question regarding the new EOS R and using it for wildlife. I know the best choice for wildlife would be to use a 7DM2 or an APS-C body to get that extra 1.6x, but I only shoot wildlife occasionally so I can’t justify getting another body just yet.
My question is if I am using the EOS R and a canon 100-400mm f4.5-5.6, is it worthwhile to shoot with the built-in 1.6x crop mode that the EOS R has, or leave it in full frame mode and then crop in post? After watching your video on APS-C lenses on a full frame camera I know that if I shoot in the 1.6x mode it effectively gives me an 11mp image at 160-640mm f4.5-5.6. Comparatively, if I just kept it in full frame mode but stacked it with a 1.4x teleconverter it would be a 30mp image at 140-560 f6.3-8 and that’s a fair reduction of light. What are your thoughts on the best way to use the EOS R for a temporary wildlife body?
Just curious, but if you used a 1.4x tc, on the 100-400mm and then used the EOS R 1.6x crop you’d end up with an 11mp 224-896mm f6.3-8, how unusable would these images be?
Thanks for the help!
You can put Sigma and Tamron APSC lenses on Canon full frame bodys without problem. You cannot do that with Canon EF-S lenses because they are built differently. It reaches more into the body. If you would connect it to a full frame body, the bigger mirror of the full frame camera would collide with the back of the lens, escpecially when zoomed out so. That allows them to make those lenses get a little closer to the sensor thus resulting in smaller camera-lens-combinations.
Felix Winkelnkemper can i use (tamron 70_200mm f2.8 non vc) on my 6d full frame camera
In many/most cases removal of a rubber bung allows EF-S lenses to mount Canon full-frame bodies. And extension tubes allow it in call cases...obviously with the loss of infinity focus.
Hey Tony please reply 😟. Would highly appreciate it if you can answer this: I have a 1D Mark IV with an APSH 1.3 Crop sensor. I used my Sigma 18-35 1.8 ART with no vignetting from 24mm onwards. I am so tempted to buy the 50-100mm 1.8 ART. Will I loose image quality since I will not be cropping? Won't I get a slightly wider image and slightly shallower depth of field? Since the glass will cover up all the sensor? Thanks.
Hi, very interesting video. Thank you. Just to complicate matters, I've just pre-ordered the Nikon z50 with a bundled PTZ adapter. Considering it has the full frame mount but apsc sensor, can I use a dx lens? Many thanks.
Just for information Tony in your freebie book in the sections regarding the Nikon D800 and D810 you refer to the 1.5 crop mode as producing 24Mp.
The Tamron 60mm F2 macro APS-C lens actually fills the entire frame on an FF-camera when focusing close and 90% of the frame at infinity. Also it's extremely sharp on FF because it's made to be sharp on the generally more demanding APS-C format and it's even sharp edge to edge, all the way out to where the vignetting starts. This makes it a fantastic standard bright F2 walk-around prime which can do 1:1 macro. No such FF lens exists. I use it often with an adapter on my A7. :)
Hey Tony, I'm stuck between purchasing the Sigma 18-35mm vs Tamron 35mm 1.8... Which gives better quality and features?
I mainly photograph, concerts, church events and sometimes portrait. I use a Canon 6D and 70D.
I've the 18-105 on order for my A6300. Nice to know that I could also use it for video on an A7II if I ever buy one.
Me (an art student) listening to him explain the math formulas for the cameras: 👁👄👁
Perfect explanation! Ty very much.
I am looking to buy semi pro camera, I shoot videos and stills and on a tight budget. I’m confused between D7500 & D750, it’s Dx vs FX I know... but which camera do you think I should prefer? On Internet it’s a par with each other, but 750 definitely carries an edge because of its full frame sensor. Is D7500 worth my money ? Considering I can buy lenses which costs my much lesser than fX lenses
Excellent video but I can hear the trolls making rebuttal comments and videos already. Some manufacturers seem to listen to you so you should start a campaign to have the engineers at Sigma design an 18-35mm F1.8 for use on FF bodies. I would sell a body part I rarely use for that!
The total number of pixels is due to the sensor, if the lens "fills the frame," then you're still getting the full complement provided by the sensor. It's only if you (or your camera) crop the image that you get the reduction in pixels.
Nice and informative video!
I sometimes use the Nikon 35mm f1.8 DX on my D610. Works well for what it is, the vignetting is easily removable and sometimes not noticeable when shot wide open.
Thanks Tony very informative.
Hi! Very interesting! If you get the new Blackmagic 6K would be awesome to take a look. With the EF mount I think is very interesting. I have a 77D and 3 lenses of EF-S, they wont fit there either, right? :( I was thinking in make that jump someday, but I am quite upset that the lenses won´t fit. But, I have a EF lens that will at least.
I have successfully used my Nikon 35mm f1. DX lens on my D750 with the auto DX mode turned off. It vignettes heavily but 90% of that can be reduced if I am keeping the lens fairly open. At smaller apertures it is still usable if slightly cropped. The cropped field of view is approximately what would result with a 40mm lens. Not bad considering how sharp this lens is. Mine was a carry over from my D7100. Not sure I would buy this lens if all I had was a full frame but it will be a keeper for me.
Great explanation! Thank you!
Thanks a lot!! ive learned something new. really good video for newbies like me.
Such a good topic. Thanks for the video.
Not sure if someone said it earlier: in the Nikon world, the 35mm 1.8G DX is a top quality/price lens for APS-C bodies and covers very well the full frame sensors too! It keeps up extremely well compared to the 35mm ED for FX bodys, in fact it is lighter and focuses faster while it's price is a third. Only issue is strong vignetting at f1.8, but still a vignetting that can be corrected in postpo.
Perhaps a little bit off-topic, but. Is there a DX version of the nikon 50mm f/1.8? I'm interested in buying a 50mm but I don't know if I should consider the crop factor since my camera has a crop sensor.
So good as always!!! Thanks Tony
Sony 10-18mm works in full frame mode between 15-18mm. I use it all the time for real estate photos and video. I'm looking into the sigma 18-35mm and 50-100mm because they can be used in both full and crop modes.
Im thinking of selling my a6300 and upgrade to an a7sii(reason being the amazing low-light). However i'll be keeping the crop lenses from the a6300. Having watched this you say the a7rii in video has half the noise with the crop lens. Will the a7sii have similar results?
EF APS-C lenses generally work on EF bodies. Tested this with Tamron APS-C lenses a couple of years back. Only Canon is known to use EF-S (slightly other lens mount and back element is allowed to stick out).
Tony I NEED HELP!!!
Ok Here's my dilemma
I have upgraded to a Sony a7ii From my A6500
the 50mm lens I have is a crop sensor.
I've been looking into the differences of the lenses and the Full Frame 50mm gets bad revues on it's focusing and quality.
I mainly shoot concert and Club photography so I need that auto focus to work and not be searching around while I lose the shot. I also see that the 50mm on my 24mp is now a 16 or even 10mp.
What would you recommend?
I think my 50mm shots I take with the crop on my full frame are crispy and clean, But I do not want to sell it and buy another lens that doesn't perform well.
Hi @tony is there any news on the Nikon 135mm f2 G lens the upgrade to old DC version, is it really gonna release or stay in the rumours page?
I'd be interested in this same video (Or someones input as a comment) but aimed at DX on the Nikon D850 since the 850 has such a high MP count. I'm looking to go from 5500 to the 850 and made the mistake of buying a full range of DX lenses.
I have a question:
Isn't it better to use a full frame lens in crop mode, than crop lens in the same body? All benefits of shooting video in aps-c/super35 mode, explained here, will be the same, but you will use a part of the image that is closer to the center of the lens, so in theory you get a sharper image and less vignetting. Or I am wrong about this?
Stellar info as usual :) Thank you
As for Canon, from what I have read, some APS-C lenses may have the rear element extending further into the camera body. Due to the smaller reflex mirror of APS-C bodies, this isn't a problem. There is a risk of the mirror in a FF body striking the rear of the APS-C lens, so Canon prevents the problem by not allowing crop lens on full frame bodies.
The Sigma 18-35mm does fit EF mounts. I used it on my 5D Mark III and 6D
+Mark Harris he probably tried to put the Nikon mount on the canon like I did. Once I got the Canon mount, it worked from 28-35 mm. pics look beautiful though
I was going to post the same, and if you put an extension tube on you can put any asp-c lens on. Found that out when I put my 5DII in my bag instead of 7DmkII
Is the quality decreased in video? I was just about to buy this sigma lens (18-35 f 1.8) and found out it might not be the best for my Cannon Mark 3
Hi Buddy. I have a Sigma 8-16mm, Sony mount and a 5D mark 3. Do you have any idea if it could work?. I would need some addaptor tho. :-)
Only Canon uses the EF-S mount. The idea is to allow the lens to go deeper in the body. As Sigma etc. design their lenses to work with also Nikon, they cannot make the lens go so deep anyway.
The thing with Pentax is that a lot of their so called DA aps c lenses (mainly primes) are actually fully cover full frame sensor, like DA 55 f1.4*, DA 200 f2.8*, or DA 300 f4*. As far as I remember even DA 50 f1.8, which costs 90£. There are a lot of info about that, just Google.
So why do they market them as APS-C lenses?
Tony, what do you think. If i use nikkor afs 50mm 1.4g on nikon D7200. Or should i go with af 50mm 1.8f or 1.8D?
I like your nerdy stuff! More please.
I’m looking to upgrade from a crop sensor and wanting the Z5 worried about the 4K crop, wondering if I could use my DX for shooting real estate. Thanks for this video.
How's that sony 18-105 for stills? I'm thinking of buying it but I've read conflicting information (sharpness and stuff)
Tony, I have used a Canon EF-S 11-18mm on my Canon 5D with no problems at all (except vignetting at 11-13mm). This was back in 2006, so has something changed since? No mount connection problems at all.
So in video mode will A7s mark 2 work good/the same way as a7r mark 2 in crop 1,5 4K mode with 18-35 sigma (ef mount with metabones)? The end result will be published in HD
The Nikon 35 1.8G for DX works well on Full Frame from 1.8-2.8 or f/4. I may be wrong about the f/4. But 1.8-2.8 for sure. Also in the menus you canturn off the auto crop. Not sure if its the same on the modern cameras but when I did it on a D700 you could turn it off.
I really like most of your explanations appreciate your shared experience. Thank you.
I am a math guy. You mean well but the dumbing down of crop totally confuses me.
I do night club comedy photography with miserable lighting and no flash allowed.
I am using a D850 and AF-S NIKKOR 70-200mm f/2.8E FL ED VR. (love the rig)
Sometimes I'd like to go 300mm for a tight head shot so I flip to DX 24x16 mode.
My question is what am I giving up?
A DX crop on the D850 has almost the same image pixel size as FX on a D5.
Great article. About the noise factor, it could be reduced if you export the RAW file in Lightroom at 600dpi at the sma ecameras native Megapixels instead of the cameras native resolution on 72- - 96 dpi. It outputs a sharper image for post-editing. Example 5184 x 3456 @ 600 dpi instead of 5184 x 3456 @72 dpi. The higher dpi exported image is far better for editing and compensates somewhat for the increased noise Nc [ Nff/(CF)2 ]
The video I've been waiting for!
Hi Tony, is the blur in an APSC lens the same in both APSC and FF Body in Sony Cameras? Any formula?
What would you say if you put crop sensor Canon lens 10-18mm on a full frame mirorless EOS R camera?would you still have the same image effect as described in your video. Please let me know.
Hi, Tony all of my lenses are full frame and I have Nikon D850, so do I want the auto DX crop on or off?
What you think...? Can I use the Canon 70-200mm f 2.8l is ii my Canon t7i and will my photos come out any good
Tony does using the apc mode on a 35mm prime basically turn it into a 50mm and make it almost 2 lenses ?
Tony, 3rd party crop lenses like sigmas 18-35mm work great on Canon FF bodies, and Canon APS-H bodies. CInema cameras like the C100 have a super 35 sensor (about the same as APS H and they will take any Canon or 3 part crop lens with a CANON EF or EFS mount.
Good day sir. im just a beginner in cameras . i have sony SLT-A65. but im a little bit confuse what lens will be compatible. it is given that A mount will fit, but can i use an E mount lens without using an adaptor?.can u give me suggestions what lens can i use . ? thank you and God Bless
Hi Tony , i have a problem , i have a7 iii and i just bought Xpro & TT685s and both of them not working AF assist and also second certain ? why? and how its work ? and which flash can work AF assist on sony
Would the increased distance of an extension tube make a difference in the size of the circle of light hitting the sensor?
And what about using the aps-c sony 18-105 f4 on the sony a7sii? Will it be as good as the a7rii or will it suck? I want to use it for video mostly
hi! juste thinking about low light situation Auto Focus. D5500/3300 won't be able to focus in (very) low light situation. (not talking about the d7100/7200/500 of course).
Would you make videos about storage? NAS, RAIDS, comparisons, reliability, etc'..... thanks.
Tony please could you test the 10-18 ISM STM on the 1DX2 and remove the rubber ring to see if its full coverage in 4k.
At 11:55, you have mentioned only A7Rii's video mode as 8 mp and half the noise with APS-c lenses, what would be your recommendation on A7ii or A7iii (as the new arrival in town) for videos to be used?
Hi i would like to know which adaptor i could use together with A7ii and sigma 18-35 with Nikon aps-c mount. Thx
Hi Tony
you mentioned your using the Sony 18-105 f4 apsc lens for most of your filming. My question is if you apply the rule of thumb of multiplying the aperture by the crop factor and not just the focal length ,so f4 x 1.5 to get the true f number of that lens when using crop mode (apsc/super 35 mm mode )of the Sony A series such as the A7 iii. This is starting to get pretty slow for an all round lens surely? Or am i missing something in terms of how the A7 super 35 mm mode works?
thanks
The a7R III and all earlier cameras have better video quality in Super 35 mode. The a7 III (which didn't exist when we made this) has better video quality in FF mode.
Thanks for the reply ,makes sense to me.
I have a Sony a7iii with a Full Frame 35mm 1.8 OSS lens. However, It constantly looks like there is a black circle bordering all my footage. It works fine if its in APS-C/Super 35mm mode. BUt, how do I get it to look normal all the time?