I like to take the time to recap the Wonderful and Insightful piece of information I learned from you sir. 1- If using an APS-C camera, no matter what the lens type it will always crop it to an average of a 1.5% view, so as mentioned a 50mm will actually function as a 75mm lens on your APS-C camera. 2- If using a FF camera with an APS-C lens it will also yield the same results, it will crop the view at a 1.5%. 3- If using a FF camera and want to experience a true 50mm, buy yourself a 50mm Full Frame Lens and make sure it is NOT an APS-C lens. After countless YT videos and asking myself how certain recordings given their length distance from that of the talent and were the camera was position (podcast) I could never understand How they were getting such view angles. Now I know why!!!! They were using APS-C cameras thus the view angles was changed dramatically to a 75mm .... hens the cameras were position farther out to compensate for the 1.5 crop factor. Great Grand Master Vong, is your grasshoper correct? Gracias Last Q: what's your take on using a FF camera and a true FF 85mm Lens for podcasting 2 talents both cameras on a cris-cross position opposites of each of the talents, on a 10x10 foot garage studio?
Another benefit of shooting video in APSC mode for the a7iv (and possibly a7iii) is faster sensor readout. Rolling shutter can be a bit much on those cameras in full frame 4k, but in APSC mode it's much more manageable. The a7iv in APSC mode has rolling shutter performance that's close to the a7siii. So even if you aren't shooting 60fps it can still be worth switching to APSC mode if you'll be doing a lot of panning and don't want slanty angles or jello-y footage
Good point. I stumbled on the same phenomenon accidentally. It’s not a technique I’d like to use regularly, but it’s a very convenient stopgap: More thoughts here: APSC lens, full frame camera: a logical combination? th-cam.com/video/9EdyPEr2gAQ/w-d-xo.html
- For video, you can use APSC lenses in full frame mode, then cropping in post for stabilization - For photo you can use APSC lenses in full frame mode, then cropping in post for composition
I just bought a7 iv and used my Laowa 9mm without knowing it's APS-C. Long story short, this video answered bunch of questions, provided solutions and ultimately made me happy as I don't have to sell my 9mm (which I love). Thanks man!!!
Same here last photoshoot i used sigma 30mm didn't know it was apsc lens. Then when i started editing the photos in raw file it was really ugly the photos are too noisy.
I've been exclusively using a Sigma 16mm on my A7III recently and its turned out some really nice videos. Being in Korea + Sigma 16mm = Pretty aesthetic videos
8:18 You are bang on ! I have the Sony A7RIV and A7RIVA so I have four Cameras in two Cameras and double up in Lenses ! But do still Photography and I only use these full frame Lenses (equivalent) 14mm (21), 24mm (36), 35mm (I do not use this in APSC-mode !), 55mm (82), 65mm (97), 135mm (202) and 200-600mm (300-600), so these seven Lenses "becomes" to a total of 14 😊
When I use my Aps-c lenses in my full frame Sony’s I use clear image zoom at around 1.2x zoom sometimes 1.3x which allows me a slightly wider angle than the 1.5x crop
With active stabilization and focus breathing compensation enabled, some of the APS-C lenses will not show any black area on full frame! It would be cool if someone made a complete list of APS-C lenses that work completely uncropped with active stabilization on full frame bodies like the A7 IV.
Wow. For someone new like me, just getting into a little bit more photography & video, you explained so much with clear and concise information. I thought investing in the APSC world would go to waste for the new A7III I just bought. Now I can say that I can just use it for video content for now, use my a6400 for photography and wait until I get my hands on a new lens for my new A7III. Subscribed ever since I looked into this field. Thanks a lot man! Looking to learn more from you.
Another minus is Aperture. f2.8 becomes f4.2 and so on. Light is the same, bokeh is not. But after my trip and carrying Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 on Crane M3 gimbal for 3 days, I regret not taking Sigma 18-50mm f/2.8 lens for my trip. Tamron was too heavy to carry all day.
That depends on how you look at it., A f/2.8 lens is always an f/2.8 lens, no matter the sensor size, and any f/2.8 aperture will give you the same depth of field. Depth of field/bokeh is not determined by the focal length or sensor size, it's determined by the aperture setting and distance from the subject. The reason it looks like you get less bokeh with a smaller sensor is because to get the same framing as you would with a larger sensor, you have to step further back.
APS-C f/2.8 lens is fully equivalent to f/4.3 FF lens in all respects. The weight is also typically scales as square of crop factor, all other things being equal, so equivalent lenses usually have the same sizes and weight. But often equivalent FF lenses don't exist because in general people buying FF cameras don't want such slow lenses.
@@joelmulder true but when you consider the crop factor let’s say you used a 24mm 2.8 cropped, the bokeh would be equivalent to the bokeh at 35mm when it’s at f/4.
@@JustinPinedaMedia In a practical sense, often yes. but only if you step backwards to get the same framing as you would've with fullframe. Sensor size and focal length are irrelevant to depth of field.
Very timely video for me. I have an A6600 with Sigma 16mm. I keep going back and forth between staying with the A6600 and getting more APSC lenses, or just jumping to a full frame Sony body and building my lens collection from there. I'm a little paranoid about sinking too much money into the A6600 system and then deciding to go full frame later. Now I know what I can and cannot do with APSC lenses down the road if I do eventually move to full frame.
8:53 you literally described the fx30, better grip, good stabiulization, dual slot sd cards, and better lcd resolution, while also being cheaper than a full frame camera using a cheaper apsc lenses. ofc with a hit on low light performance.
Came here bc I'm extremely confused after the release of a6700 & A7cii. Want to know what's best for my budget. Thanks for these detailed but also easy-going style! After this, I think I'll go for the crop body, since size is a priority for me
i have a A7R II and getting 18mp stills from my aps-c gear is pretty nice as a transition mode while I acquire more full frame lenses. but I still think I'll keep my a6300 kit since it's so small.
I love these experiments, in fact, I enjoyed using a tiny CCR lens on a bigger camera with the vignette and all I had to do was crop, except at times i kept it for certain compositions. But, to me, this is not the full solution, although it does the job. I will always be looking for an adapter with enlargement glass, that magnifies lens image to fit full sensor and even better, if there is a "zoom" ring to manually adjust. So far, no such adapter, so please, someone, make it, we will all love you forever.
i have the a7r4 and worked my self to 2 lens sony 24-105 (f4) and sony 100-400 when i need the reach i us apsc mode and now 2 becomes 4 and no extra weight and easy to carry.
I have an a7r3 with a bunch of full frame lenses that I normally use, but for trips when I want to go small and light I bought the Sigma 18-50mm f2.8 and the Sigma 56mm f1.4 which is still 18mpx.
@@pencilauyeung4863 I'm not sure what you're asking. In apsc crop mode at 18mm will be the equivalent field of view of 27mm on full frame. If I put the camera in full frame mode the image circle will be a little smaller than the sensor causing serious vignetting. Some zoom lenses have a big enough image circle at certain focal lengths to be used on full frame. For example, I had a Tokina 11-16 apsc lens for Nikon but when at 16mm the image circle was large enough to cover full frame.
I was thinking of doing the same. How does the 1.4 of the 56mm looks like compared to a 50 or 55mm at 2.1? Does it look similar creamy or is 2.1 FF still creamier? In theory, the DOF, should be multiplied by 1.5, just like the focal length. But I’m interested in real life opinions 🙂
you are so hilarious man, I just stumbled across your video on 4k shooters website when checking out whether I should buy aps-c lenses and I specifically came the youtube link just to tell you that you deliver your content amazingly :D
For creators who use A7IV to shoot 4k 60p, I highly recommend using the Tamron 17-70 f2.8 apsc lens. It has image stabilization and cover from wide to tight range. However, it's a heavy and big lens...lol
Finally I've found your video. I've got a FF Sony A7 and I would like to use it like a compact camera... so what lenses? Your video is the answer to my question.
@@thebillygreen not sure if my comments are going through but I have the photo on my instagram. I had replied with a link shortly after you first commented.
Thanks for the video.Just got the 11-20mm f2.8 For my Sony ZVE-10 and was wondering what would happen when I went full frame.Then I see you are also in Japan. I'm in Kyoto.
A7iii owner with G-Master glass. You totally rocked this video! Great review. This really makes me want to get some off-brand aps primes. Thank you. Dan
OMG! Took me a few minutes to process what the '70mm (35mm equivalent)' part actually means. I get it now Jason! Thanks for clarifying this confusion for me. Phew!
Great review and many thanks for sharing; please correct me if I am wrong on the following; I have Nikon D780, purchased the Body only initially; coupled it with my Nikon 18-55mm , DX AFP VR lens; after experimenting with the in Camera adjustments, I found you can still use the Full Frame resolution (and get rid of the vignette) by simply zooming in to approx 24mm (which still gives you a wider image due to the full frame sensor); I have checked the resolution and its confirming its using all of the sensor!; if you use the DX crop function, it reduces the resolution considerably !; let me know your thoughts !! Cheers
I love the Sony a7iv. But I’ll probably just get a few apsc lenses to start. Is it better just to buy the a6700. And in the future go full frame when I can get all the full frame lenses
No, that's not true at all. While F-stop isn't an entirely objective measurement (such as T-stop is), it's close enough. Within a small margin of error, every 2.8 lens lets through the same amount of light. Smaller sensors are usually worse in lowlight because they pack the same amount of pixels into the same resolution as a fullframe camera. This means the individual photosites have to be smaller, thus require more ISO gain. Depth of field is also the same regardless of focal length and sensor size. Yet, on a smaller sensor or cropped lens, you'll have to move further back to get the same composition as you would on full frame. At a fixed aperture, increasing the distance between the lens and the subject creates a deeper depth of field, it's got nothing to do with the lens or camera.
Hello Jason Vong, I'd have a question about cine lenses (those with T instead of F): would I lose too much quality with an APS-C lens on my A7 iii instead of using the (much more expensive) FF version? Any other comment on differences between them would be appreciated. Thank you very much
I just purchased the A7IV a couple of weeks ago, I’ve kept my A6400, the Sony 16-55 F2.8 works AMAZING on both cameras definitely worth the investment on that lens for both cameras !
Thank you, extremely helpful for someone like me that has recently "upgraded" from crop to full frame - especially the distinction between photography and videography for pros/cons. Question: what about the aperture? If I'm using an APS-C lens with let's say 1.8 constant aperture, am I still getting 1.8 on full frame? I'm mostly interested in the bokeh.
Investigating it seems that the x1.5 crop factor affects bokeh also, it means that if you are using an f1.8 aps-c lenses you will get and equivalent bokeh of a f2.7 full frame lenses. Tell me if I'm wrong.
If you use a full frame body, yes. On an APS-C body it does not matter what lens you use. Using an APS-C lens on a full frame body is not recommended. It is basically so that you will not completely lose your investment on the lens but it is always better to use FF lenses.
I just bought an A7siii after owning an a6400 for years. Glad I'll still be able to enjoy my Sigma 16mm and Sony 35mm for now since I don't have anymore money to buy pricey FF lenses. >.
thanks a lot guy you explain very well how apsc lens seems better for video, in fact seems better to have a double packages, once for full frame photo and once for video ^^
Great video, but now i need some advice from sony A7iii users. What is the image quality like when using an APSC lense. Does 10MP defeat the purpose of buying a full frame body ? Tamron 17-70mm f2.8 is a perfect around lense but will the image quality be a let down on my A7iii ? Im sure images would look better on a higher MP camera.
Can you make a video of the best APSC lenses that can be used on full frame with no vignetting? Or vignetting that can be bypassed by slightly zooming in? Thank you!!
Okay, say for instance I’m using a SONY A7C with the Sony E PZ 18-200 lens. Will my light gathering be affected by the APSC lens on the full frame camera? I am a self filmed deer hunter so most of my important shots are going to be early morning and late evening when light is near darkness.
Watched this video and got info that took me three separate videos to get. Wish I came here first. I'm just starting my video career and bought a Sony ZV-E10. That being said, only bought it in a pinch and will be using it for about a year at best. Haven't bought much glass for it. Would you recommend buying th APS-C Lenses for the short term, or if I'm upgrading to say a Sony A7SIII in the next year or so, just start buying full frame?
I put my apsc super wide on my new mirrorless camera just because it was the first lens I could grab to try some camera settings with a lens on it and was like woah.. there's no vignette.. this actually works? It's probably not really 10mm though right?
So let's say you are using an a1 with a 50mm FF, and a sony a6 series with a 50mm APSC lens to take the same shot with the same conditions. Let's also assume you intend to crop the FF shot in by 50% to match the APSC 's field of view. Would it be assumed that the Sony APSC shot would have more detail due to the 24MP sensor capturing that entire range, vs the '21MP' of equivalent resolution from the a71 one you crop in the FF shot to match the FOV of an APSC lens?
I have a bit similar confusion… will post processing affect the photos or videos without utilizing super 35 mode, like cropping out the unwanted blank spaces? Will you still be able to get the potential results of the lenses’ according to fstop? eg. getting an apsc lense 14mm f1.4 for FF camera use… does it mean I will always get 21mm f2.1 results?
if you own one, it makes sense to use an apsc lens if that range isn't something you have in your ff lenses. but it wouldn't make sense to buy one for FF. that's about it
I use my APS-C lenses on my a7R II (which i just bought for a steal at $550 for a barely used camera) because i don’t have any FE lenses…yet! Even in super 35 mode the a7R II has better image quality than my a6000. I never buy new cameras but then again I’m a hobbyist not a pro
That's why my photos on my a7iv was really bad because i used apsc lens. 😅 It became 15megapixel. I was hadding a hard time editing the photos in cause really bad to much noise.
Not on all sony cameras unless you love 1080p experience Honestly waiting for a7cii with 10bit and 60p fps mode to buy some apsc glass and just use on it as my b cam with a7siii
Interestingly, I’m watching this after communicating in a forum about the fact that I accidentally bought APS-C lenses for my a7ii. Now I’m here stuck thinking if I wanna by Full Frame lens or a APS-C body!
Hii Jason , I have sony a 7c . If I use either 11mm f1.8 apsc lens . Will it affect autofocus or anything that is going to bother while shooting video ... I need a wide angle lens in budget with low light conditions...
After more than 5 years I can't believe I'm still watching this channel. Its been since around the a6500 release. Guess you've doing something right.
Glad you’re still here all this time buddy! 😁
And I just arrived and we're watching many videos just for fun, this was the first useful to me, fx30 +fs700 owner LOL
Man this video is so helpful for someone thinking of switching from apsc to full frame and doesn’t want to get rid of all their lenses. Thank you!
I like to take the time to recap the Wonderful and Insightful piece of information I learned from you sir.
1- If using an APS-C camera, no matter what the lens type it will always crop it to an average of a 1.5% view, so as mentioned a 50mm will actually function as a 75mm lens on your APS-C camera.
2- If using a FF camera with an APS-C lens it will also yield the same results, it will crop the view at a 1.5%.
3- If using a FF camera and want to experience a true 50mm, buy yourself a 50mm Full Frame Lens and make sure it is NOT an APS-C lens.
After countless YT videos and asking myself how certain recordings given their length distance from that of the talent and were the camera was position (podcast) I could never understand How they were getting such view angles. Now I know why!!!! They were using APS-C cameras thus the view angles was changed dramatically to a 75mm .... hens the cameras were position farther out to compensate for the 1.5 crop factor. Great Grand Master Vong, is your grasshoper correct? Gracias
Last Q: what's your take on using a FF camera and a true FF 85mm Lens for podcasting 2 talents both cameras on a cris-cross position opposites of each of the talents, on a 10x10 foot garage studio?
Another benefit of shooting video in APSC mode for the a7iv (and possibly a7iii) is faster sensor readout. Rolling shutter can be a bit much on those cameras in full frame 4k, but in APSC mode it's much more manageable. The a7iv in APSC mode has rolling shutter performance that's close to the a7siii. So even if you aren't shooting 60fps it can still be worth switching to APSC mode if you'll be doing a lot of panning and don't want slanty angles or jello-y footage
Good point. I stumbled on the same phenomenon accidentally. It’s not a technique I’d like to use regularly, but it’s a very convenient stopgap: More thoughts here: APSC lens, full frame camera: a logical combination?
th-cam.com/video/9EdyPEr2gAQ/w-d-xo.html
- For video, you can use APSC lenses in full frame mode, then cropping in post for stabilization
- For photo you can use APSC lenses in full frame mode, then cropping in post for composition
Dude...MIND. BLOWN. Thanks for posting this!
I just bought a7 iv and used my Laowa 9mm without knowing it's APS-C. Long story short, this video answered bunch of questions, provided solutions and ultimately made me happy as I don't have to sell my 9mm (which I love). Thanks man!!!
Random but, what are you shooting that you need that wide of a focal length? Beginner here
@juanromero961 real-estate, mainly interior pics.
Same here last photoshoot i used sigma 30mm didn't know it was apsc lens. Then when i started editing the photos in raw file it was really ugly the photos are too noisy.
@juanromero961 Real-estate photography. It works really well for interior photos.
I've been exclusively using a Sigma 16mm on my A7III recently and its turned out some really nice videos. Being in Korea + Sigma 16mm = Pretty aesthetic videos
Is that an apsc lens?
@@wanderdutts4584 Yes it is!
So I know that is like a 24mm in crop mode but what is it if you don't use crop mode like a 10mm?
8:18 You are bang on ! I have the Sony A7RIV and A7RIVA so I have four Cameras in two Cameras and double up in Lenses ! But do still Photography and I only use these full frame Lenses (equivalent) 14mm (21), 24mm (36), 35mm (I do not use this in APSC-mode !), 55mm (82), 65mm (97), 135mm (202) and 200-600mm (300-600), so these seven Lenses "becomes" to a total of 14 😊
When I use my Aps-c lenses in my full frame Sony’s I use clear image zoom at around 1.2x zoom sometimes 1.3x which allows me a slightly wider angle than the 1.5x crop
With active stabilization and focus breathing compensation enabled, some of the APS-C lenses will not show any black area on full frame! It would be cool if someone made a complete list of APS-C lenses that work completely uncropped with active stabilization on full frame bodies like the A7 IV.
there is. its called a full frame lens
My 35mm APS-C lens gives me the same result of a FE 50mm
Good luck, I don't think anyone would have the time nor the effort to do such a list.
*So what Am I looking at with the sigma 16mm on the A7C? I'm more of a Videography not Photos*
That is so good explaination. I have an a7r4 with only G Marter lenses, and I had never considered buying apsc lenses before. Thank you!
Perfect video! Maybe one of little content creators pointing advantages from apsc lenses on full frame bodies. Loved it! Cheera from Brazil!
Wow. For someone new like me, just getting into a little bit more photography & video, you explained so much with clear and concise information. I thought investing in the APSC world would go to waste for the new A7III I just bought. Now I can say that I can just use it for video content for now, use my a6400 for photography and wait until I get my hands on a new lens for my new A7III. Subscribed ever since I looked into this field. Thanks a lot man! Looking to learn more from you.
Another minus is Aperture. f2.8 becomes f4.2 and so on. Light is the same, bokeh is not. But after my trip and carrying Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 on Crane M3 gimbal for 3 days, I regret not taking Sigma 18-50mm f/2.8 lens for my trip. Tamron was too heavy to carry all day.
That depends on how you look at it., A f/2.8 lens is always an f/2.8 lens, no matter the sensor size, and any f/2.8 aperture will give you the same depth of field.
Depth of field/bokeh is not determined by the focal length or sensor size, it's determined by the aperture setting and distance from the subject.
The reason it looks like you get less bokeh with a smaller sensor is because to get the same framing as you would with a larger sensor, you have to step further back.
APS-C f/2.8 lens is fully equivalent to f/4.3 FF lens in all respects. The weight is also typically scales as square of crop factor, all other things being equal, so equivalent lenses usually have the same sizes and weight. But often equivalent FF lenses don't exist because in general people buying FF cameras don't want such slow lenses.
@@joelmulder true but when you consider the crop factor let’s say you used a 24mm 2.8 cropped, the bokeh would be equivalent to the bokeh at 35mm when it’s at f/4.
@@JustinPinedaMedia In a practical sense, often yes. but only if you step backwards to get the same framing as you would've with fullframe.
Sensor size and focal length are irrelevant to depth of field.
Nothing becomes anything else.
Very timely video for me. I have an A6600 with Sigma 16mm. I keep going back and forth between staying with the A6600 and getting more APSC lenses, or just jumping to a full frame Sony body and building my lens collection from there. I'm a little paranoid about sinking too much money into the A6600 system and then deciding to go full frame later. Now I know what I can and cannot do with APSC lenses down the road if I do eventually move to full frame.
Glad this video helped clarify that! If you’re moving on to an a7R series or even the a7 IV, the Sigma should still be good enough to get you by!
8:53 you literally described the fx30, better grip, good stabiulization, dual slot sd cards, and better lcd resolution, while also being cheaper than a full frame camera using a cheaper apsc lenses. ofc with a hit on low light performance.
Came here bc I'm extremely confused after the release of a6700 & A7cii. Want to know what's best for my budget. Thanks for these detailed but also easy-going style!
After this, I think I'll go for the crop body, since size is a priority for me
Me too confused between the two .. did u buy an a7cii? If then How is the performance ?
Your videos always answer the questions I have about incredibly technical subjects. Thanks so much!
i have a A7R II and getting 18mp stills from my aps-c gear is pretty nice as a transition mode while I acquire more full frame lenses. but I still think I'll keep my a6300 kit since it's so small.
The best video about this subject! thank you man!
What are the penalties for using APS-C on the A7SIII for video or photos? Either I missed it in the video or it wasn't really talked about much.
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5mp photos and s35 mode only in 1080p
@@KoelAnderson uhm, you mean if I put an apsc lens on a7s3 it can only record in 1080 s35? 😮😢
@@maaoabb ya
@@maaoabb you can do 4K but you’ll see lens mount on mos lenses
I love these experiments, in fact, I enjoyed using a tiny CCR lens on a bigger camera with the vignette and all I had to do was crop, except at times i kept it for certain compositions.
But, to me, this is not the full solution, although it does the job.
I will always be looking for an adapter with enlargement glass, that magnifies lens image to fit full sensor and even better, if there is a "zoom" ring to manually adjust.
So far, no such adapter, so please, someone, make it, we will all love you forever.
Thank Mr. Vong for sharing this great tip.
👍
i have the a7r4 and worked my self to 2 lens sony 24-105 (f4) and sony 100-400 when i need the reach i us apsc mode and now 2 becomes 4 and no extra weight and easy to carry.
I have an a7r3 with a bunch of full frame lenses that I normally use, but for trips when I want to go small and light I bought the Sigma 18-50mm f2.8 and the Sigma 56mm f1.4 which is still 18mpx.
May I check if can use normally in full frame mode? I .e. can you take 18mm photo?
@@pencilauyeung4863 I'm not sure what you're asking. In apsc crop mode at 18mm will be the equivalent field of view of 27mm on full frame. If I put the camera in full frame mode the image circle will be a little smaller than the sensor causing serious vignetting. Some zoom lenses have a big enough image circle at certain focal lengths to be used on full frame. For example, I had a Tokina 11-16 apsc lens for Nikon but when at 16mm the image circle was large enough to cover full frame.
@Dale Frolander thanks for the explanation
I am simple minded to think I can take 18mm photo
I was thinking of doing the same. How does the 1.4 of the 56mm looks like compared to a 50 or 55mm at 2.1? Does it look similar creamy or is 2.1 FF still creamier?
In theory, the DOF, should be multiplied by 1.5, just like the focal length. But I’m interested in real life opinions 🙂
Great review jason! Im getting the sony 11mm for my a7siii. Mainly for real estate vids
Amazing. Exactly explain ALL my concerns. Great vedio, Love the style.
you are so hilarious man, I just stumbled across your video on 4k shooters website when checking out whether I should buy aps-c lenses and I specifically came the youtube link just to tell you that you deliver your content amazingly :D
For creators who use A7IV to shoot 4k 60p, I highly recommend using the Tamron 17-70 f2.8 apsc lens. It has image stabilization and cover from wide to tight range. However, it's a heavy and big lens...lol
Great lens. In my opinion, not large or heavy. 🤷🏻♂️
I'm using it on the Sony A6300 and i love it!
Finally I've found your video. I've got a FF Sony A7 and I would like to use it like a compact camera... so what lenses? Your video is the answer to my question.
I do the same with my a7riii and that little Sigma 18-50. That lens is incredible value
Very informative video as usually. Thank you!
Used the crop Sigma 16 f/1.4 not too long ago to take one of my favorite photos this year.🔥
Can't believe that lil thing is still doing incredible work!!
Pic or it didn’t happen 👀
@@thebillygreen not sure if my comments are going through but I have the photo on my instagram. I had replied with a link shortly after you first commented.
@@fjhphoto my man!
Thanks for the video.Just got the 11-20mm f2.8 For my Sony ZVE-10 and was wondering what would happen when I went full frame.Then I see you are also in Japan. I'm in Kyoto.
A7iii owner with G-Master glass. You totally rocked this video! Great review. This really makes me want to get some off-brand aps primes. Thank you. Dan
Very helpful. Got the Sigma 18-50 f2.8 for my old a6500 and am ready to upgrade to a a7iii or a7iv
First manual lens, now APS-C lens on a full frame camera? Almost triggered me when you said yes in the beginning Jason :)
OMG! Took me a few minutes to process what the '70mm (35mm equivalent)' part actually means. I get it now Jason! Thanks for clarifying this confusion for me. Phew!
Great review and many thanks for sharing; please correct me if I am wrong on the following; I have Nikon D780, purchased the Body only initially; coupled it with my Nikon 18-55mm , DX AFP VR lens; after experimenting with the in Camera adjustments, I found you can still use the Full Frame resolution (and get rid of the vignette) by simply zooming in to approx 24mm (which still gives you a wider image due to the full frame sensor); I have checked the resolution and its confirming its using all of the sensor!; if you use the DX crop function, it reduces the resolution considerably !; let me know your thoughts !! Cheers
I love the Sony a7iv. But I’ll probably just get a few apsc lenses to start. Is it better just to buy the a6700. And in the future go full frame when I can get all the full frame lenses
10 mpx is still great quality :) just having better button ergonomics, battery and better grip.
There's also a crop factor on the f stop. The f1.4 apsc lens is a f2.1ish on a FF
yeah, and he hasn't talked about that even though was very important
No, that's not true at all. While F-stop isn't an entirely objective measurement (such as T-stop is), it's close enough.
Within a small margin of error, every 2.8 lens lets through the same amount of light.
Smaller sensors are usually worse in lowlight because they pack the same amount of pixels into the same resolution as a fullframe camera. This means the individual photosites have to be smaller, thus require more ISO gain.
Depth of field is also the same regardless of focal length and sensor size. Yet, on a smaller sensor or cropped lens, you'll have to move further back to get the same composition as you would on full frame. At a fixed aperture, increasing the distance between the lens and the subject creates a deeper depth of field, it's got nothing to do with the lens or camera.
@@joelmulder I agree
Last week I bought a used Sony 28mm f2 for US$250. It is very sharp on my A7iii and A6500, offering 2 focal lengths. Super bargain!
Hello Jason Vong, I'd have a question about cine lenses (those with T instead of F): would I lose too much quality with an APS-C lens on my A7 iii instead of using the (much more expensive) FF version? Any other comment on differences between them would be appreciated. Thank you very much
i use some aps-c on my a7r2. especially for videos. at the same time i own a6400.
I just purchased the A7IV a couple of weeks ago, I’ve kept my A6400, the Sony 16-55 F2.8 works AMAZING on both cameras definitely worth the investment on that lens for both cameras !
Jason in Super 35mm mode in 1080HD on the Sony A74 the image is alot sharper and almost looks like 4K
Legend. Exactly what I needed. 👊🏾
Glad I saw this, didn’t know about apsc. I thought all e mount was the same.
Hey Jason, I really enjoy your video style! Very refreshing! ;) Thanks mate!
Thank you, extremely helpful for someone like me that has recently "upgraded" from crop to full frame - especially the distinction between photography and videography for pros/cons. Question: what about the aperture? If I'm using an APS-C lens with let's say 1.8 constant aperture, am I still getting 1.8 on full frame? I'm mostly interested in the bokeh.
Investigating it seems that the x1.5 crop factor affects bokeh also, it means that if you are using an f1.8 aps-c lenses you will get and equivalent bokeh of a f2.7 full frame lenses. Tell me if I'm wrong.
If you use a full frame body, yes. On an APS-C body it does not matter what lens you use. Using an APS-C lens on a full frame body is not recommended. It is basically so that you will not completely lose your investment on the lens but it is always better to use FF lenses.
That dumb n dumber “YEAAAAH” clip caught me off guard 😂😂
I just bought an A7siii after owning an a6400 for years. Glad I'll still be able to enjoy my Sigma 16mm and Sony 35mm for now since I don't have anymore money to buy pricey FF lenses. >.
Nice presentation. Thanks For video love from 🇮🇳
Hii!
I have a question.
I'm from Europe, from Hungary. KEH Camera have trasport in Europe?
thanks a lot guy you explain very well how apsc lens seems better for video, in fact seems better to have a double packages, once for full frame photo and once for video ^^
dont forget if you use apsc mode in the a7siii you loose auto focus.......so its better to just crop in post to get rid of the vignette
Or you could use clear image zoom 😅👌🏼
this blew my mind. thanks champ
This was really helpful, thank you!
Superb information for video makers
Damn, thats exacty what I was searching for. The perfect explanation !
Thanks Jason for yet another very informative and entertaining video! I always enjoy your content and presenation style.
Love the content! Quick question, do you prefer cloud based storage or an external hard drive? Which company do you use? Thanks in advance!
Technically speaking. You should have both. On site and off site back up
Great video, but now i need some advice from sony A7iii users. What is the image quality like when using an APSC lense.
Does 10MP defeat the purpose of buying a full frame body ?
Tamron 17-70mm f2.8 is a perfect around lense but will the image quality be a let down on my A7iii ?
Im sure images would look better on a higher MP camera.
Samyang has affordable ff lens for Sony, go for it
Can you make a video of the best APSC lenses that can be used on full frame with no vignetting? Or vignetting that can be bypassed by slightly zooming in? Thank you!!
No, you can't get rid of the vignetting by just zooming in.
I really would like to have a premium crop sensor Sony, like a mini A9 for some longer reaching wildlife photography
Try Sony A7RIVA !!!
Okay, say for instance I’m using a SONY A7C with the Sony E PZ 18-200 lens. Will my light gathering be affected by the APSC lens on the full frame camera? I am a self filmed deer hunter so most of my important shots are going to be early morning and late evening when light is near darkness.
Great video man, you packed a ton of useful info into it!
Jason! I have the ZV-E1 and the 11mm 1.8 sony. Is the new 16-25mm 2.8 worth the upgrade?
Aps-c vs full frame in aps-c mode, does they have same low light abilities or still full frame is better in low light with crop mode?
Thanks!
How come the 24MP FF sensor turns 10MP with the ASP-C lens? Shouldn't it be 24/1.5=16MP?
The FF sensor is 2.3 times larger!
No, it is 24 / 1.5². The crop affects in both directions.
You are just fabulous. Thank you for this video.
Watched this video and got info that took me three separate videos to get. Wish I came here first. I'm just starting my video career and bought a Sony ZV-E10. That being said, only bought it in a pinch and will be using it for about a year at best. Haven't bought much glass for it. Would you recommend buying th APS-C Lenses for the short term, or if I'm upgrading to say a Sony A7SIII in the next year or so, just start buying full frame?
i love you Wait for this camera lens.
So there’s some debate on whether the f-Stop of the lens changes when pairing a crop lens on a Sony a7r(xx). Is there?
I put my apsc super wide on my new mirrorless camera just because it was the first lens I could grab to try some camera settings with a lens on it and was like woah.. there's no vignette.. this actually works? It's probably not really 10mm though right?
So let's say you are using an a1 with a 50mm FF, and a sony a6 series with a 50mm APSC lens to take the same shot with the same conditions. Let's also assume you intend to crop the FF shot in by 50% to match the APSC 's field of view. Would it be assumed that the Sony APSC shot would have more detail due to the 24MP sensor capturing that entire range, vs the '21MP' of equivalent resolution from the a71 one you crop in the FF shot to match the FOV of an APSC lens?
I have a bit similar confusion… will post processing affect the photos or videos without utilizing super 35 mode, like cropping out the unwanted blank spaces? Will you still be able to get the potential results of the lenses’ according to fstop? eg. getting an apsc lense 14mm f1.4 for FF camera use… does it mean I will always get 21mm f2.1 results?
Can we use full frame lenses on APS-C..
So if I buy a 35mm APSC for my full frame camera, it will be cropped 1.5 times and technically be 52.5mm? Is that right?
What about the OSS in APSC lens, does it still working in Full Frame Cameras
if you own one, it makes sense to use an apsc lens if that range isn't something you have in your ff lenses. but it wouldn't make sense to buy one for FF. that's about it
A6400 + 85mm F1.8 = ❤❤❤❤
Thank you this was so helpful and on point!
How about A7RV with a Tamron 17-70 F 2.8
My goodness are your videos awesome! So helpful and so well produced. Thank you!
I have a a6000. I'm not vlogger just a amateur photographer.
Any suggestions on an upgrade?
We can do what ever we want. As long as the lens stays on the body.
I use my APS-C lenses on my a7R II (which i just bought for a steal at $550 for a barely used camera) because i don’t have any FE lenses…yet! Even in super 35 mode the a7R II has better image quality than my a6000. I never buy new cameras but then again I’m a hobbyist not a pro
That's why my photos on my a7iv was really bad because i used apsc lens. 😅 It became 15megapixel. I was hadding a hard time editing the photos in cause really bad to much noise.
LOVE your videos and your energy!!!! =D
Jason have you ever shot the Tamron 18-300 on the Sony 7AC?
It's a smart business decision from Sony to apply 4k60 crop so that people will buy extra apsc lenses.
Can I use an APS-C lens on the A7s mark 1?
Not on all sony cameras unless you love 1080p experience
Honestly waiting for a7cii with 10bit and 60p fps mode to buy some apsc glass and just use on it as my b cam with a7siii
Interestingly, I’m watching this after communicating in a forum about the fact that I accidentally bought APS-C lenses for my a7ii. Now I’m here stuck thinking if I wanna by Full Frame lens or a APS-C body!
Good video thank you for being informative
Hi great video keep going small question what about the quality of 1080p in crop mode on sony a7iii
Hii Jason ,
I have sony a 7c . If I use either 11mm f1.8 apsc lens . Will it affect autofocus or anything that is going to bother while shooting video ... I need a wide angle lens in budget with low light conditions...