My husband Paul wrote this song two days after I miscarried. Tony Myles made an absolutely breathtaking video. It was a huge honor that Anni sang (I adore her) Rachel's haunting violin. My upmost love and gratitude to Larry for his beautiful guitar playing
No words can describe what emotions this song aroused in my heart... Can't stop it from listening over and over and over... Sorry for your loss, hope things now are much better...
My gosh, im crying my eyes out! We have also suffered a loss . I have heard this song so many times and as haunting as it's always been... I never realized what it was about until now ! So much love sent your way!
just to clarify for those of you who wish to be insensitive cunts, this song is about how the child of the singer and his wife passed away. Give it a rest all of you.
+heretic124 yes!! Anathema is one of my favourites. Their music is among the best I have ever heard and that is saying something. Listen to their songs, especially the album Weather systems
I can relate, my wife and I had two miscarriages, I never understood that kind of pain until it happened to us. It's so heartbreaking. Thank you Paul for expressing this so vividly, beautifully. Watching this was cathartic. From the deepest part of me, I am sorry for your loss.
There's no easy way to see it disappear* Always dreaming of what could have been Who will be there to hold you As the morning light breaks We long to be there for you And we can only hope you knew Deeper scars then any wound could be Cold is the way, and it will never leave The great healer, was our deceiver It's hard to close my eyes in the dark We'll never know what could have been As we try to understand this We miss so much, what we never knew As we carry on without you When the rain begins to fall We protect pure innocence Empty arms, we're changed forever
When two hearts break together Deeper scars then any wound could be Cold is the way, and it will never leave The great healer, was our deceiver It's hard to close my eyes in the dark We'll never know what could have been As we try to understand this We miss so much, what we never knew As we carry on without you When the rain begins to fall We protect pure innocence Empty arms, we're changed forever When two hearts break together
This song saved my life. I left my job in 2012 due to the immense amount of stress that I was under from not only it but from my fiance, who suddenly refused to talk to me after she revealed to me that she was pregnant. She didn't contact me until she lost it. Needless to say, I was beyond distraught. This song brought me back from the brink. Thank you.
Deeper scars then any wound could be Cold is the way, and it will never leave The great healer, was our deceiver It's hard to close my eyes in the dark We'll never know what could have been As we try to understand this We miss so much, what we never knew As we carry on without you When the rain begins to fall We protect pure innocence Empty arms, we're changed forever When two hearts break together
Made me cry so bad...this is what makes metal music so unique...makes us face the cruel reality of what happened to others and could happend to us...we´re all part of humanity and we build it everyday, trought storms and light
They always mention "Gloomy Sunday" as the saddest song ever written that made hundreds of people commit suicide after listening to it but they never know THIS is the one.
Discovered this song in the middle of a severe depression episode,i can't explain with words how badly i cried for days while listening to this song. Letting all my repressed emotions out,always tried to be strong,chill,quiet until i couldn't bear it no more. Cried so badly that weekend...still think about her but in a good way. We will never be together again,no, and i always rejected your friendship and never allowed you to talk to me or manipulate me again,no...but i will always have you inside my heart to some extent, Cari.
This song makes me think of my sweet baby Cody that we lost at 6 weeks old due to a genetic disorder (Kleefstra syndrome). He was born in November, it's coming up to what would have been his 3rd birthday.
+Kellie Gerock Your story really touches a string in my heart. How very very sad. I am sorry for your loss. Being a mum and grandmother myself I can hardly imagine the pain you suffered and how heartbroken you must have been. I hope with all my heart that you had (and still have) some loving people there to comfort you. My good wishes are for you.
im looking for a song like this not sure who it is but its a guy walking his daughter in a field.he kinda looked like roman reigns kinda.i was going through tough time after my brother passed.
It's possible you're looking for our video for the song "Autumn Reflection". It's here on our channel. I'm sorry to hear about your brother, my condolensces to you.
Your welcome, I'm sure this song resonates differently for everyone. Its still hard for me to hear, but I think Paul created a beautiful tribute for our lost angel and for Annie to sing is a priceless gift. I'm Paul's wife Ar ~
There's no easy way to see it disappear Always dreaming of what could have been Who will be there to hold you As the morning light breaks We long to be there for you And we can only hope you knew Deeper scars then any wound could be Cold is the way, and it will never leave The great healer, was our deceiver It's hard to close my eyes in the dark We'll never know what could have been As we try to understand this We miss so much, what we never knew As we carry on without you When the rain begins to fall We protect pure innocence Empty arms, we're changed forever When two hearts break together Deeper scars then any wound could be Cold is the way, and it will never leave The great healer, was our deceiver It's hard to close my eyes in the dark We'll never know what could have been As we try to understand this We miss so much, what we never knew As we carry on without you When the rain begins to fall We protect pure innocence Empty arms, we're changed forever When two hearts break together
There's no easy way to see it disappear Always dreaming of what could have been Who will be there to hold you As the morning light breaks We long to be there for you And we can only hope you knew Deeper scars then any wound could be Cold is the way, and it will never leave The great healer, was our deceiver It's hard to close my eyes in the dark We'll never know what could have been As we try to understand this We miss so much, what we never knew As we carry on without you When the rain begins to fall We protect pure innocence Empty arms, we're changed forever When two hearts break together Deeper scars then any wound could be Cold is the way, and it will never leave The great healer, was our deceiver It's hard to close my eyes in the dark We'll never know what could have been As we try to understand this We miss so much, what we never knew As we carry on without you When the rain begins to fall We protect pure innocence Empty arms, we're changed forever When two hearts break together
This has helped me so much after losing multiple babies over the years... Thank you ❤️ also, you guys are one of my fave bands ever, have been for a long time!
I was lucky enough to catch Anneke and The Gathering back in 2004 on the Souvenirs tour with Agalloch and November's Doom opening. Can't believe it even now saying it.
i cannot even begin to gather the words to describe how incredible this song is!! Anneke's voice is absolutely beautiful. I love the violin part and the guitar solo is amazing. I cannot wait until i have this CD in my hands. Paul, Vito, Sasha, Mike, and Larry...you guys are amazing musicians and i will never stop listening to your music. i am glad that i discovered you guys last year. i wish you all the best.
Sorry for your loss. I lost my mother when I was 12. I'm not if it feels any different. I never really healed from it, But I hope that some way you guys can.
Deeper scars then any wound could be Cold is the way, and it will never leave The great healer, was our deceiver It's hard to close my eyes in the dark We'll never know what could have been As we try to understand this We miss so much, what we never knew As we carry on without you When the rain begins to fall We protect pure innocence Empty arms, we're changed forever When two hearts break together
@MrVeilofOsiris from Novembers Doom If Forever , Autumn Reflection, Twilight Innocence. 5th day of March . From Thurisaz Endless , Past Perfect . From Riverside In Two Minds, Conceiving you, Us from Blazing Eternity - Cover Me With Your Eyes goes like this
@nvmbrsdoom5 Don't get me wrong, I ment that as a compliment. I'm not saying you copied from somewhere. It's just, I've been searching for a band similar in some way to Opeth, with the same lyrical and emotional depth of the songs, and when I found Novembers doom few days ago I was blown away. I've been listening to your music non stop ever since! You guys are pretty different in many ways but for me,you carry the same emotional vibe,the same feeling I was so much longing to find in music!
'Tis tragedy and misery which spawn the deepest beauty of our Human condition. In our scars, we tell the stories of what was, what is, and what should have been. It is that pain which drives Mankind's artistic impetus most deeply, spurned from the depths of sorrow, to enshroud our hopes and give worth to all that remains. In loss, we come to love what is left.
The should have called this song "Autumn Reflection Pt.2". If you listen to Autumn Reflection then this song, they tell a bigger story, and it makes it even more heartbreaking.
There's no easy way to see it disappear Always dreaming of what could have been Who will be there to hold you As the morning light breaks We long to be there for you And we can only hope you knew Deeper scars then any wound could be Cold is the way, and it will never leave The great healer, was our deceiver It's hard to close my eyes in the dark
Anneke has done stuff with those folks as well. But no, different band, similar common root in death doom, although this is more of a one off from this band, although they definitely could make a fully acoustic album. Who knows!
ND evokes an emotional response on the vein of human creation and suffering, between the barriers of hate and purity -- truth. It is without bounds. Listening to this song and it's eloquence gives me hope and reminds me of those we have lost, but will never forget.
This is gonna be definitely one of my favorite ND songs!!! Paul you did an amazing job ;)) Btw, this is my new profile (not using Martha36 anymore;)))) Hugs from Greece
this song touches me in so many levels...I can feel the pain in the lyrics because I went through this two times, -The great healer, was our deceiver- (I couldn't have said it better)
My husband Paul wrote this song two days after I miscarried. Tony Myles made an absolutely breathtaking video. It was a huge honor that Anni sang (I adore her) Rachel's haunting violin. My upmost love and gratitude to Larry for his beautiful guitar playing
No words can describe what emotions this song aroused in my heart... Can't stop it from listening over and over and over... Sorry for your loss, hope things now are much better...
So sorry to hear this much love to you dearest mamma ❤️ it is such a beautiful tribute
I'm so sorry for your loss, Paul is an amazing person and I hope you're still together and there for each other. ❤
My gosh, im crying my eyes out! We have also suffered a loss . I have heard this song so many times and as haunting as it's always been... I never realized what it was about until now ! So much love sent your way!
Belated condolences.
just to clarify for those of you who wish to be insensitive cunts, this song is about how the child of the singer and his wife passed away. Give it a rest all of you.
Blackenedmoons well said my friend.😊
yeah he really lost a lot of weight. i'm not sure about the story above.....?
varsa dinleyen bi türk bi gün çay kahve içelim :)
Bira iyi gider!
👋
:) olmaz mı
geri dön şef bi kahve içelim bidaha dinleyelim parçayı
Just discovered this band and Agalloch by looking for similar bands to Woods of Ypres. Jaws dropped, this is undescribable.
I think you will like Anathema !
My favorite is Woods of Ypres
Raymond M. I heard about the band but never checked them out. Well, they're great! Thanks for the suggestion :)
Woods are the best
+heretic124 yes!! Anathema is one of my favourites. Their music is among the best I have ever heard and that is saying something. Listen to their songs, especially the album Weather systems
Listen to a love lost by November's doom... Omfg
I can relate, my wife and I had two miscarriages, I never understood that kind of pain until it happened to us. It's so heartbreaking. Thank you Paul for expressing this so vividly, beautifully. Watching this was cathartic. From the deepest part of me, I am sorry for your loss.
There's no easy way to see it disappear*
Always dreaming of what could have been
Who will be there to hold you
As the morning light breaks
We long to be there for you
And we can only hope you knew
Deeper scars then any wound could be
Cold is the way, and it will never leave
The great healer, was our deceiver
It's hard to close my eyes in the dark
We'll never know what could have been
As we try to understand this
We miss so much, what we never knew
As we carry on without you
When the rain begins to fall
We protect pure innocence
Empty arms, we're changed forever
When two hearts break together
Deeper scars then any wound could be
Cold is the way, and it will never leave
The great healer, was our deceiver
It's hard to close my eyes in the dark
We'll never know what could have been
As we try to understand this
We miss so much, what we never knew
As we carry on without you
When the rain begins to fall
We protect pure innocence
Empty arms, we're changed forever
When two hearts break together
yy
I would recognize Anneke's voice anywhere. This is my 15th replay of the song. Amazing.
me too ;)
only your 15th? what's wrong with you? /s
Still counting! :)
chewynickerson Still counting! :)
marrydruli unique voice she has
This song saved my life. I left my job in 2012 due to the immense amount of stress that I was under from not only it but from my fiance, who suddenly refused to talk to me after she revealed to me that she was pregnant. She didn't contact me until she lost it. Needless to say, I was beyond distraught. This song brought me back from the brink. Thank you.
Deeper scars then any wound could be
Cold is the way, and it will never leave
The great healer, was our deceiver
It's hard to close my eyes in the dark
We'll never know what could have been
As we try to understand this
We miss so much, what we never knew
As we carry on without you
When the rain begins to fall
We protect pure innocence
Empty arms, we're changed forever
When two hearts break together
The song is about his wife having a miscarriage from what i have read. It must have been a very painful think to go through!
ya bu şarkıyı dinlemeden ölmüş olsaydım
Absolutely amazing. This band continues to prove that this genre of music is more than just "noise" as most would label it.
Nothing wrong with noise! But yes its a very wide genre with various styles and tastes.
klibini ilk defa izliyorum. kliple birlikte daha da duygusalmış. teşekkürler isa adam
Dinleme hatırlatması
I just suffered a loss. This song is cathartic, even though it sounds more like a break up song.
Made me cry so bad...this is what makes metal music so unique...makes us face the cruel reality of what happened to others and could happend to us...we´re all part of humanity and we build it everyday, trought storms and light
türk vvar mı
Var
var
vra
They always mention "Gloomy Sunday" as the saddest song ever written that made hundreds of people commit suicide after listening to it but they never know THIS is the one.
It's a lot sadder when you realize it's a true story and it led to the end of their marriage.
How about Sunday Happy Sunday. You can name the songs any you want to but its always the people who can think who find the best ones.
one of the best songs I have ever heard
You can spend a lot of time thinking about the what could have been's in this life it seems.
:(
+Jhaytssa Barbosa what could have been... :(
nice buhranlar, türlü savaşlar, soluklanmak için alınan nefeslerle beraber kılıç darbeleri,
Şarkının 2:00 yere kadarlık kısmı ciğer falan bırakmadı
Discovered this song in the middle of a severe depression episode,i can't explain with words how badly i cried for days while listening to this song. Letting all my repressed emotions out,always tried to be strong,chill,quiet until i couldn't bear it no more.
Cried so badly that weekend...still think about her but in a good way.
We will never be together again,no, and i always rejected your friendship and never allowed you to talk to me or manipulate me again,no...but i will always have you inside my heart to some extent, Cari.
😢
Böyle ilahi bir sesi duymayı birçok insan haketmiyor
çok haklısın
This song makes me think of my sweet baby Cody that we lost at 6 weeks old due to a genetic disorder (Kleefstra syndrome). He was born in November, it's coming up to what would have been his 3rd birthday.
+Kellie Gerock Your story really touches a string in my heart. How very very sad.
I am sorry for your loss. Being a mum and grandmother myself I can hardly imagine the pain you suffered and how heartbroken you must have been. I hope with all my heart that you had (and still have) some loving people there to comfort you. My good wishes are for you.
IM SO SORRY KELLIE
Hi I am Elin the Daughter from your Friend Holger .I like your Music 🎵.Your nice 👍🏻🤘❤
I fell in love with this song . Feel myself deep inside my soul!
EU ME APAIXONEI POR ESTA MUSICA. SINTO ME PROFUNDAMENTE NO FUNDO DE MINHA ALMA.
im looking for a song like this not sure who it is but its a guy walking his daughter in a field.he kinda looked like roman reigns kinda.i was going through tough time after my brother passed.
It's possible you're looking for our video for the song "Autumn Reflection". It's here on our channel. I'm sorry to hear about your brother, my condolensces to you.
neden bu kadar güzelsin ki
This track really strikes me to the core. Beautiful and tragic
Your welcome, I'm sure this song resonates differently for everyone. Its still hard for me to hear, but I think Paul created a beautiful tribute for our lost angel and for Annie to sing is a priceless gift. I'm Paul's wife
Ar ~
Powerful...awesome... I love this band
This is made so much more powerful by the visceral emotional pain and vulnerability of this gorilla of a man struck to his soul by loss.
Conheci essa banda, e especialmente essa música em 2014, desde então a escuto. Marcou bastante! Perfeita!
There's no easy way to see it disappear
Always dreaming of what could have been
Who will be there to hold you
As the morning light breaks
We long to be there for you
And we can only hope you knew
Deeper scars then any wound could be
Cold is the way, and it will never leave
The great healer, was our deceiver
It's hard to close my eyes in the dark
We'll never know what could have been
As we try to understand this
We miss so much, what we never knew
As we carry on without you
When the rain begins to fall
We protect pure innocence
Empty arms, we're changed forever
When two hearts break together
Deeper scars then any wound could be
Cold is the way, and it will never leave
The great healer, was our deceiver
It's hard to close my eyes in the dark
We'll never know what could have been
As we try to understand this
We miss so much, what we never knew
As we carry on without you
When the rain begins to fall
We protect pure innocence
Empty arms, we're changed forever
When two hearts break together
I'm commenting again 6 years later. I still attribute this song as my turning point. Thank you, Paul. And thank you Novembers Doom.
Hace 4 años conoci este tema, tengo barba desde ese dia.......
There's no easy way to see it disappear
Always dreaming of what could have been
Who will be there to hold you
As the morning light breaks
We long to be there for you
And we can only hope you knew
Deeper scars then any wound could be
Cold is the way, and it will never leave
The great healer, was our deceiver
It's hard to close my eyes in the dark
We'll never know what could have been
As we try to understand this
We miss so much, what we never knew
As we carry on without you
When the rain begins to fall
We protect pure innocence
Empty arms, we're changed forever
When two hearts break together
Deeper scars then any wound could be
Cold is the way, and it will never leave
The great healer, was our deceiver
It's hard to close my eyes in the dark
We'll never know what could have been
As we try to understand this
We miss so much, what we never knew
As we carry on without you
When the rain begins to fall
We protect pure innocence
Empty arms, we're changed forever
When two hearts break together
This has helped me so much after losing multiple babies over the years... Thank you ❤️ also, you guys are one of my fave bands ever, have been for a long time!
gercek olamaz
So emotional....wow!
Awesome and beautiful song!
This reminds me of Opeth alot! I'm really loving this band!
Hehe they hate that comparison
patterns in the ivy
The first arpeggio is the same one from Coil
And it sounds like patterns in the ivy in the middle
@@mido3ontheway Not at all.
Abi bu kadına aşık olmamak elde degil
Şarkıyı unutmuşsundur belki, hatırlatıyım :)
@@Abdul.lahsevim hahaha mümkün değil öyle bir şey hocam sağol yine de :)))
Hatırlatayım tekrardan
Bugün de ben hatırlatayım
ben de hatırlatayım bari
nail shut the coffin of all happiness... i love this song
this song its perfect. make we think about relations when come end
this is not about that...its about a dead son...
Anneke voice the gathering
Reminds the good old times of The Gathering such as "Mandylion" and "Nighttime Birds".
Abraham Alahmad Both great albums but Nighttime Birds will always be my favorite by them. I miss the late 90’s!
I was lucky enough to catch Anneke and The Gathering back in 2004 on the Souvenirs tour with Agalloch and November's Doom opening. Can't believe it even now saying it.
Anneke always makes a pretty song sounds even better when she sings!
Love This song
No her name is Nathalie Lorichs. Singer here is Anneke van Giersbergen, the ex-singer of dutch band The Gathering.
This is definately of the most deeply pungent and desolated songs I've ever heard, it gives shivers down my spine...
que som foda da porra pqp.... queria ver vcs ao vivo em Fortaleza - CE Brasil... e poder dividir palco com vcs.... q música linda pqp!!!!!!!
😛😛😛😛
i cannot even begin to gather the words to describe how incredible this song is!! Anneke's voice is absolutely beautiful. I love the violin part and the guitar solo is amazing. I cannot wait until i have this CD in my hands. Paul, Vito, Sasha, Mike, and Larry...you guys are amazing musicians and i will never stop listening to your music. i am glad that i discovered you guys last year. i wish you all the best.
Im in 2022 listening this amazing band. ;)
reminds me of old tristram
Sorry for your loss. I lost my mother when I was 12. I'm not if it feels any different. I never really healed from it, But I hope that some way you guys can.
Deeper scars then any wound could be
Cold is the way, and it will never leave
The great healer, was our deceiver
It's hard to close my eyes in the dark
We'll never know what could have been
As we try to understand this
We miss so much, what we never knew
As we carry on without you
When the rain begins to fall
We protect pure innocence
Empty arms, we're changed forever
When two hearts break together
@MrVeilofOsiris from Novembers Doom If Forever , Autumn Reflection, Twilight Innocence. 5th day of March . From Thurisaz Endless , Past Perfect . From Riverside In Two Minds, Conceiving you, Us from Blazing Eternity - Cover Me With Your Eyes goes like this
Not bad for an American band... usually stuff like this comes from Europe/Scandinavia, Well done.
GlacierZombie one of the best things about this band is that. I've been searching for american doom metal bands and have come short. But this...
Daylight Dies is pretty solid. They're from like North Carolina or something.
Stupid comment
snobby AF
GlacierZombie You stupid fuck
@nvmbrsdoom5 Don't get me wrong, I ment that as a compliment. I'm not saying you copied from somewhere. It's just, I've been searching for a band similar in some way to Opeth, with the same lyrical and emotional depth of the songs, and when I found Novembers doom few days ago I was blown away. I've been listening to your music non stop ever since! You guys are pretty different in many ways but for me,you carry the same emotional vibe,the same feeling I was so much longing to find in music!
How can a beautiful song come from such a tragedy?
'Tis tragedy and misery which spawn the deepest beauty of our Human condition. In our scars, we tell the stories of what was, what is, and what should have been. It is that pain which drives Mankind's artistic impetus most deeply, spurned from the depths of sorrow, to enshroud our hopes and give worth to all that remains.
In loss, we come to love what is left.
Everything beautiful arises from suffering.
Hmm Twenty five years later and nobody to hold or dream about 😶🌫️ Tears never wiped and no Hand for me. Life goes on with or without someone like me
The should have called this song "Autumn Reflection Pt.2". If you listen to Autumn Reflection then this song, they tell a bigger story, and it makes it even more heartbreaking.
i always end up listening to this in he middle of the night its just ....... beautiful
There's no easy way to see it disappear
Always dreaming of what could have been
Who will be there to hold you
As the morning light breaks
We long to be there for you
And we can only hope you knew
Deeper scars then any wound could be
Cold is the way, and it will never leave
The great healer, was our deceiver
It's hard to close my eyes in the dark
Novembers Doom & Anneke fucking goddes van Giersbergen.....I think I just came...crying :)
this sounds like the band anathema
:)) 4:30
Not if you listen to anything before 'Eternity' album.
Anneke has done stuff with those folks as well. But no, different band, similar common root in death doom, although this is more of a one off from this band, although they definitely could make a fully acoustic album. Who knows!
I cry every time, I miscarried at 12 weeks with my second two years ago on my wedding day. You never will forget
Who will be there to hold you... que impotencia tan grande generan los vacíos.
So terrible... And so powerful. The hurt we can survive...
linda música!
Massive Opeth vibes
Everything in this song is perfect.
Beautiful song... guys could make a guitar lesson?
kind regards
Agree with mc23243 .. such beautiful lyrics! ♫ :) Amanda (mwhs/IL)
690B beklemiyordum :((((
Nice song,Anneke is a good choice for this song,but I hope the whole album isn't like this.
ND evokes an emotional response on the vein of human creation and suffering, between the barriers of hate and purity -- truth. It is without bounds. Listening to this song and it's eloquence gives me hope and reminds me of those we have lost, but will never forget.
9 people are Biebers!
just ...fuck.... im blown away
Omg ikr!!!! They sooo good
Chords?
still My Dying Bride is the best Doom ever!
Well that was not necessary. Not that I disagree, but still.
@@patrickbertlein4626 I’m still alive and still MDB diehard fan. Be safe out there
@@siliyemoodislam Decembre Noir gives them a run for their money.
Wow.
can't stop repeat this song, what a deep feelings it's carry in, something directly touch the heart....... no words can tell again
@nvmbrsdoom5 This is the first time I've heard LZ, Beatles and Emperor in the same influence list. Love it! Keep up the great work.
March 31 2021
I can not find tabs (guitar) for this song nowhere....
Anneke is one of the great voices in the world right now and so influential......
Tasteful video. Not like most bands, standing in the woods 'n shit. ;)
This is gonna be definitely one of my favorite ND songs!!! Paul you did an amazing job ;)) Btw, this is my new profile (not using Martha36 anymore;)))) Hugs from Greece
still listening
This song and its video clip make me think about the forced immigration of my family back in 1948 from our home town of historical 🇵🇸
P.s: shout out to Anneke for her outstanding performance about loss, grief, and melancholic mourning
Free palestine
this song touches me in so many levels...I can feel the pain in the lyrics because I went through this two times, -The great healer, was our deceiver- (I couldn't have said it better)
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Damn, what a fucking sad ass song. Thx for sharing it mate.
This is the song that cemented these guys in my head as a fucking amazing band.
2021
ciğeri masaya bıraktık gene 😣
te melig ! maar verdomme die stem van Anneke is super !
Simplesmente lindo.
Lindo é pouco :)
***** Realmente rsrsrs... ^_^
Uma banda parecida é Opeth" , Nas epocas do progressive
Ouvirei agora...
Muito foda
This is the very song that turned me on to Novembers Doom! I love this song because it's so beautiful!! A-M-A-Z-I-N-G!!!
Чертовски хороший вокал у Пола!!!!