Navy SEALs are the WORST special operations unit
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ส.ค. 2024
- Struggling from bad apples in the public sphere, botched missions and constantly bashing each other. Why the SEAL organization has struggled the last 15 years.
#greenberet #specialforces
Time for a little humor. Q: How many SEALS does it take to change a lightbulb? A: Two. One to change the lightbulb and one to write a book about it.
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Love it!
Well I mean there's ghostwriter
Did you ever serve in any capacity in a combat arms profession?
@@NYRalltheway14 I did not. However, I am a retired Special Agent who has gone through more than his fair share of doors.
and the only SEAL movie/book deal we haven't seen yet is one about how SEALS get movie/book deals while the rest of the silent professionals remain quiet.
By posting nonsense on TH-cam they “remain quiet?” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂
There's a reason for that, seals are the 1% of the 1% of the 1%, I bet 75% of rangers and sf would never make threw buds, seals are the best of best
@@Lexus7912 those that go into ARSOF Programs do so because they know they would not make it through BUD/S; those same people are the ones making hater videos because it haunts them that they never had what it took.
@@Lexus7912 Truth. Those who pursuit ARSOF Careers do so because they could not make it through BUD/S, it haunts them to know they don’t have what it takes.
@@Lexus7912 You do understand that they al have different roles and missions, right? It's not like each branch has a football team or there are different leagues. Each type of unit serves a different role and is trained for that role.
I’m a Recon Marine, and SOTG instructor and can tell you that the Seals shot them selfs in the foot by going Hollywood…
It has ruined their reputation and it's going to be years before they can get it back.
@@Amalgam67 according to who? The 🤡 brigade on TH-cam? You don’t even have a “reputation” because you are a nobody. Get a clue.
There are levels to it, as a european I never like the cowboy attitude and the bad influence the hollywood seals had on the international SF scene. I am the last one who isnt into getting your hands dirty if needed but yeah dont bragg and make it a reall life video game with stats.
Besides all the hollywood stuff, all the sketchy and bodged missions, its the infighting, that is the next level...social media...or what is the reason?
@@westphalianstallion4293 WTF are you even talking about? You have never even met a Frogman much less worked with the SEAL Teams.
@@westphalianstallion4293 what's wrong with video game? What's wrong with count?
I heard that the hardest evolution in BUDS is the book-writing class lol
You wouldn’t make it a day in training. FACTS.
@@JohnDoe-rt2bz are u a operator ?
@@DameTYB who wants to know?
I’m a Navy wife. Got a job in a country I wont mention. Dated a tall lanky man for bit from one of the NSW communities. One of the local bars in this country was owned by a wife from the Navy, so the bar was kinda designed and had art work for Navy divers, Seals, Rescue swimmers and Eod on the walls and tables. I dated a rescue swimmer. One of the navy sailors skipped him when he went to take a leak. My guy, the rescue swimmer, who I was dating at time. Super nice, innocent and tall, ended up being bullied by some ghetto regular ship sailors,
Like 6 on 1. it was a 6-8 of them against just my man. Eventually the entire bar of seals, eod, rescue swimmers and divers man handle this Navy Sailor who does not know how to swim. They all decide to continually choke him out, while carrying him to the near by beach. While fighting off his friends. And the guy I was seeing at time, the 6’4 lanky rescue swimmer, swam him out. As far as he could as the seals, other rescue swimmers and eod stood by at the beach. Few divers too. This younger black sailor changed his mind and forgave him after a few head dunks that we could hear and see. And there was kinda a code. Like they’ve done this before. Never mess with a swimmer, they will swim you out while you’re unconscious.
The rescue swimmer ended up cheating on me. And I ended up marrying one of the seals. But that bar, the men, and the brotherhood and fun they had together was a sight to behold. The fact the guy I dated didn’t swimmer him so far out because he knew. The fact my date at the time brought him back, shook hands and bought this black sailor beers and shots afterwards. Its a code among these strong Navy men that I do respect. And I know they they wouldn’t have harmed him for sure, but its the fact a harmless man, carrying out a ghetto acting man into deep water and still respecting him that was something I really respected. Never mess with Navy Special warfare people I say.
@@DameTYB if he was an operator he would of had a book out by now 🤣
It seems like the Air Force spec ops guys are the quietist professionals out of the bunch.
There’s not very many of them, that helps on that front.
In SERE school we were told we would be "kicked the fuck out" if we behaved like this...I believed them.
@@ValhallaVFT How do you feel about them then?
@@thediner8929 I worked with CCTs more than any others. Always had one attached to us on our combat rotations. Fucking awesome dudes. At least all the ones I had. Incredible at their jobs. That’s why I ranked them as high as I did SF in me video talking about all the US sof units.
John Chapman saga tells you all you need to know about the difference between “super men” and SEALs. First MOH caught on video and it was covered up until the Air Force investigated. Oh yeah and they left him for dead and called in an air strike.
Back in the 90s, when I was in the AF, I did a triathlon and after the race a guy came up and started talking to me about the race. We talked for about 15 minutes and I could see he had several tats that looked like he had been in the Navy. He asked if I was in the military, and he didn't even respond that he had been in the military until I asked him. Turns out he was a SEAL in Vietnam and then we talked a little about it. Great guy, humble, and had no urgency to talk about his service as a SEAL at all.
No SEAL was available to make a comment on this video. Theyre too busy writing books about themselves being a SEAL
I'm sure Brent Tucker (Former SF and CAG) has questioned Tim Kennedy's story about him saying how many people he evacuated from Afghanistan during the withdrawl being an exaggeration.
Ya Tim is unique in that space. Other than that it’s not a thing.
@@Krakatawa84 you are the one who needs to get facts straight. Brent Tucker was a former Delta/ CAG and guests a lot of podcast. Check also his FRCC homepage if you do not believe us.
@@Krakatawa84he's a former DELTA/CAG....take some research before you even say "get your facts straight".
Check FRCC home page, it shows his biography.
@@mikhacoffman4522 What?
Hey @@ValhallaVFT I just have a question out of curiosity I like both communities Army Rangers and Green berets but the question is do they receive identical skills in terms of Direct action combat like CQB type stuff????
Love the new setup! Looks very much more professional! Keep up the videos, super entertaning, and informative.
Thanks brother, kudos goes to my wife lol. I got a few more things to do to finish it still.
Had a good family friend who was on one of the early A teams in Vietnam, early 1960’s. When he got out, he was at Ft. Devans MA, he then retired to St. Petersburg and worked at the VA , very humble man, a great man. Never sought recognition or even spoke about what he did. Maybe the greater lesson is the service to a cause bigger than yourself/ ourselves. He was a great man.
Former 1st Ranger Batt from the 80s, here. I always thought they were over hyped but after seeing the John Chapman drone footage and reading the story in several accounts all I can say is that team, at that time, made horrific decisions. Even the most green Ranger knows that if you're doing a recon mission you never, ever land on your OP....NEVER! And this was SIX?!?!? Giving an MOH to the man who decided to do that and then the navy doing everything possible to stop the truth from coming out is nothing more than admitting guilt under the table. If Slab was a true warrior he would have never left a fallen comrade and would have refused the medal.
1st batt from the 80’s? Were you with the boys at Grenada, or Panama? A mentor of mine was 1st batt at Panama when they raided the PDF controlled civilian airport while the guys from 2nd raided the military airfield. The old Rangers are as gangster as it gets.
The thing that I am always cognizant of, is that Army and Marine top tier units have a heavy population of Grunts. Taught from day 1 the basics and trained up from a foundation of basic infantry skills. Even after passing through Camp Darby and Camp Mackall, those basic fundamentals were still a huge part of my day to day skill set.
SEALs work in their Navy maritime jobs until passing through their selection process and then train to gain their skill. from the basic to the advanced. Always wondered how much the difference played in their mission performance.
@@KidOChaos Nope, I missed a combat scroll and a mustard stain but I was there from 84-88. Loved every second of it.
@@samrester6254 you have no clue what you are talking about. Most SEALs have not spent a single day in the Fleet Navy. It is damn near impossible to get to BUD/S from the fleet circa 2024. A SEAL operator spends more time in special operations than any other counter part in the DOD. LandWarfare and Assaults are integral skill sets throughout the career of a Frogman.
@@JohnDoe-rt2bz and “land warfare” and “assaults” aren’t standard practice for any other SOF unit?
I have met two Vietnam veterans who were U.S. Army Special Forces. One of which worked Mac V Sog Recon Teams. He never said it. I had to piece it together with information i got from him, and reading books about Mac V Sog. Another person if have met, who is a good friend of my dad. Worked on the Phoenix Program. Simply because he still had written orders from when he was in Vietnam.
None of these men are out spoken. These men did their jobs in the shadows, never really talked about it till at least 20+ years later.
I even had the privilege of meet the last living Iwo Jima Flag Raiser. R.I.P. Mr Charles W. Lindberg. Who i got a signed and autographed photo from.
None of these men were very outspoken from what i saw.
Because they had a job to do. They did what was asked them and didn’t feel the need to pat themselves on the back for it. It’s what sets men apart from the boys.
Love the new setup 🔥
Thanks brother 🫡
Jealousy is so ugly These guys act like they are better than any other unit My respect for these guys that just talk crap on each other has diminished so much Egos and jealousy are a bad combo
Cant critique war crimes dude its not very marine like
I don't think the guys out here talking are jealous. They've tried the quiet professional route and reported to the higher ups but honestly when leadership isn't interested in what is right and more what makes money & perpetuates the "BRAND" then the only other way to quash bad behavior is bring it to the court of public opinion. That's how they were able to get Chapman's Medal of Honor pushed through and get the truth about his heroism for public consumption. In my opinion, worthless as it is - I think it's worth paying attention too.
Jealous of what tho? Most Regiment, SF and Delta have done 10x what a seal has done.
If someone starts off in the army or marine corps by the time they are ready to apply for a special operations units there is a very good chance they would have combat experience maybe numerous tours specially during the GWOT and they may have already performed a special operations role for instance in recce platoons in their parent unit but a navy SEAL could go from being a sailor doing a FOD walk-down on a carrier to being on the ground in Afghan performing a special operations role in very challenging conditions in a relatively short time having never been shot at before. I don’t know any other way to say this other than - It gets real very quickly in Afghan.
I don’t want to seem like I’m lessening the contributions made by sailors on ships but very different job and surroundings.
So my point is sometimes in rare occasions there can be inexperienced seals in the wrong place at the wrong time and that’s when things go wrong.
I was in the British Army , I served in Afghan during Veritas/Fingal in 2001/2002 and Herrick 8 in 2008 so I’m basing my opinion on this subject based upon interactions and conversations I had with US forces both there and in Iraq. If I’ve got any of this wrong or I have made a mistake please tell me and I will adjust my comment and apologise.
Yes there is inexperience for a reason, the SEALs were never meant to be marines. SEALs at there core, are a frogman demolition unit that has transformed into a Commando Force. They have a lot more in common with Clearance Divers here in the UK than they do with units like the SBS, and their training is reflective of that. Also only a small minority of SEAL applicants are experienced sailors, soldiers, marines, or airmen. Most applicants are civilians that have passed basic training with no years of service under their belt. It's very unlike the UKSF, where you at least need a minimum of two years of service to even apply.
Can’t tell you how much a lot of us in SOF appreciate this. You’re doing the right thing. Some of us don’t fully agree with the Seals tactical ability but that’s definitely an experiences vary scenario. Just an AAR Point. That said thanks again man!
Operation Red Wings controversy reminds me something similar around "Bravo Two Zero".
Good analogy. Their tactical, personal, and professional arrogance directly affect their planning (or lack thereof). Those 3 failure are directly related to leaderships incompetence OR willful dereliction of duty.
@@JBCCT01 Both Operation Red Wings and Bravo Two Zero had helicopters drop troops very close to objective too, alerting the local population - who by the way was not conventional military in both cases.
@@cyberdaemon In addition, the intelligence for both missions was incredibly small, terrain for both missions was an early concern, and communications capabilities were minimal to borderline insane.
To be fair there’s quite a few green berets and others that have called Tim Kennedy out, or Tu lam, or Mike Glover, or even Tony Cowden... the seals aren’t the only ones calling out their own.
One dude said one comment about Tim. Not the same even if you want it to be.
Its not as bad as the Navy Seals
I wish SEALs would shut up about their careers. Most people that know SF guys know very few details.
Sir filipino here, you said you had worked with the PNP SAF, do they know how to do weapons manipulations, fast entries? Modified highs and modified low readies?
They’re trained by U.S. special forces teams all the time so they are fairly proficient.
@@ValhallaVFT cool, if you don’t mind me askin’ sir, when was the last time you got to train them? I’m an aspirant of that unit, and surely I’ll boost up that unit’s skill in the future👍🏼👍🏼
@@Krakatawa84 2016 was the last time I worked with them, so it’s been a little while
"Buy my coffee enema book program?"
Damn. Dude just called out the Navy Seal culture and their craptastic missions. 😮
Love the content. Keep the truth in space.
Thanks for the critic, hopefully active Team Members are listening. I've been frustrated with the direction the Teams have taken.
Most people I watch talk about the tiers and how elite units are based on funding, training and missions. From what they say seals/ devgru have more funding training and better missions than marsoc, SF and rangers. Devgru is maybe equal to or just under CAG in those 3 requirements. Are those points wrong?
Tiers are pretty much based on how the funding works, for whatever reason people assume because they’re labeled as “tier” that it assumes a rating or skill level, which it does not.
@@ValhallaVFTThey believe that because it’s sort of true. Yes, the the difference between say tier 1 and everyone else pertains to funding, but there is still a more demanding selection process SMs need to go through in order to get to that tier.
@@andrewwhite8586 Difference between tier 1 & 2 is that tier1 focus more on dynamic CQB, hostage rescue and psyops. Everything else(interms of skills/tactics) is the same.
This has been going around since I was in 30 years ago. They have terrible leadership issues and a lot of people saw this coming years ago. There are stories of SF and Recon Bubbas in Vietnam that didn't want to work with them either. It perplexes me why they even exist. I know that there may be a lot of good guys in that organization, but if the top doesn't get its act together, then the rest of the teams won't either. The simple fact is EVERY SOF unit has had infractions, they just do a better job at keeping it quiet.
Great video and very enlightening! All respect to you sir, and I realize you do work for a living! Lol.
Dude you are the first one that I have listened to that spoke DIRECTLY about what has happened on some of these missions and how they are characterized...and you are spot on. I was a 71Lima...an S1 desk jockey at an Ord Group. Some of the older guys that were now out of the field often spoke about the difference between hindsight and being there and not the same. We don't know.
Would u ever go on the Shawn Ryan show or do an interview with anyone about your career?
I’ve done 3 podcasts, The Team House, Green Beret Chronicles and The Former action guys podcasts. Lots of people ask me if I would go on Shawn’s podcast but I’m yet to receive an invitation lol.
@@ValhallaVFT no shit I just looked up the one from the former action guys podcast and I remember watching that interview but I didn’t recognize you from then compared to now lol
@@ValhallaVFTI think that would be a really interesting conversation to have with him. Honestly i think hed probably be receptive to your POV on this subject
I feel like SR does a good job representing their community
@@ValhallaVFT I don’t think Shawn has any interest in doing a podcast with a shit talking Meth Head.
Just some ideas: Best Shooters, best fit, best snipers....etc for units
Hey bro like your channel i am a big fan of anything military kinda of a nerd at it tried to join the army in late 2008 but could not join for adhd and high blood pressure .
have no military connection whatsoever, but your channel and your style makes it rivetting entertainment -- I'm here for the real human drama
Gravy seals gonna be mad bout this one
Not really, it needs to be said. I'm a former Teams Doc & I welcome the criticism.
I was just a regular 11B Grunt and even in Regular Army, we keep our mouths shut. For the most part at least.
should people considering to go seal stray away from it then or move towards it and attempt to change it for the better ?
You won’t change it from the bottom up..the problem is leadership not the quality of dudes selected
I was co-located with a seal team in Afghanistan and they were excellent operators. But their leadership was horrific. Completely ignorant of anything land warfare related and that's probably due to ignorance. Army SF leadership are subject matter experts on land warfare. Naval special warfare officers probably or not.
What are the metal pieces in the shadow box behind you?
I'm just a nothing special Marine... But honestly, I really hate seeing the in-flighting between the Special Operations crowd.
I have no doubt that most of the heat comes from the SEALS stepping out of the shadows and doing movies and books, I don't necessarily see anything wrong with it... But I understand how it opens them up to massive scrutiny from other SF groups that feel Tier operators should stay clandestine.
My thoughts, could be way off, but I think it's a little bit jealous/envious that SEALS are doing it, and also that SEALS might be betraying the unspoken rule of the clandestine - living in the shadow life.
If it helps the SF community with public opinion and quality recruiting, I say good shit and keep it up. If it's hurting public opinion and making recruitment harder, it needs to stop.
The Navy SEALs attacking each other started with the book Good To Go. Good To Go was written by a Vietnam veteran Navy SEAL. He made up a bunch of lies about other Navy SEALs making them into cowards on the Vietnam battlefield. They sued him and got the money he made on the book. You can look it up because their were news articles about it on the internet.
Now we have former Navy SEALs doing podcasts about other former Navy SEAL's podcasts.
Would love to hear your thoughts on PTSD/operator syndrome. Is this something you experienced much of? Or was it easier for you than it is for others?
Also would love to hear your thoughts on the tongo tongo ambush. Did you know any of those men personally? and as a green beret how did that impact you and your peers?
Thank you for serving our country and thank you for the content! 🇺🇸
Well I have both lol. And no it was not easier for me, because went through years of behavioral health therapy for my issues. As for the Niger ambush, there’s a lot of lessons learned there. I’ve been in an near ambush of that nature myself, and ya it’s not a great situation.
@@ValhallaVFT thank you for the honesty and the reply.
Hey man! Been loving all your videos!!!
Can you do one on an SF K9 Handler? Would absolutely love your perspective on that. I heard those guys are always working, and have like a mini-selection to be able to do that. Sounds legit
Thanks bro. We always had dogs on the team for combat operations, but I honestly don’t know much about the backside of it. What the course or training entails and what not. I’m not the best person for that information.
Check out Mike ritland if ur into k9 spec ops
Look up Trent Mcdonald. He was a handler with the regiment.
@@patricklaurojr7427 Mike Ritland the Navy SEAL? I’m sure this channel will poo poo all over that recommendation.
@@JohnDoe-rt2bz why ritland is cool as fuck
Those fellas never stop, “Where’s” Marcus, “crime time” Eddie, “bump stock” Chris, “Calamity” Jock, “Pinocchio” Rob……..
In my opinion I I think it has to do with the leadership and cover-ups. (You can Google whatever cover up you want to), My opinion as to why the the retention rate is down.
As a retirement member of the Army's " special mission UNIT" I can tell you we had more discipline problems with them than anyone else. At one point the guys at Little Creek were virtually shooting each other weekly in training. That's way back when but another of us were " uncomfortable " when working with them. I hate to say this but it was true back then...
How about being proud of your service? No matter what you did? I went to Afghanistan for 1 short deployment in 2002-2003, just a small cog in big wheel, did my duty.
Respect!
This channel exist for the soul purpose of shitting on those they envy. It is transparent in every way.
Well said
@wd2romeo, every day grunts do the majority of the heavy lifting. Fuxck all the SF hype and bullshixt.
@@user-tu3bs9xu4s Correct. That is why infantry centric Army and USMC have zero need for SOF. If infantry can’t do it then there are already SEa Air and Land Commandos who have completed the toughest military training in the world that do the work that doesn’t require a lot of men in the field; and they are qualified to DIVE, MFF, and utilize DEMO. ARSOF is completely unnecessary.
What are those 2 certificate on the left side of the wall about? The Japanese SOG certificates. In Japan, there are only few pictures of them in public and we don't know about them.
I too would like to know more about the shadowbox and wall certs. What's that metal thing in the shadowbox
I love the use of the old SOG emblem with your ODA. I was unaware how teams still use variations of the emblem until I went to the small SF museum on Bragg.
If you have any book recommendations by SF dudes I’m all ears. I know the Jack Murphy debacle is highly controversial, as well as his book. I liked the interview you did with his podcast! Curious as to why Jack wasn’t on the interview though 😂
What’s the thing on the center of your plaque board behind you?
"Every Marine is a Rifleman, every SEAL is an Author"
Green Berets had the first movie and it was a masterpiece! Taught me all I needed to know about VC booby traps.
I at least like how Jocko provided the MACV-SOG dudes a platform to do podcast
I’ve got no idea if Jocko is a good dude or not, just used him as another example of them shitting on each other.
@@ValhallaVFT Based on what Eric Deming and the Marines are saying, Jocko probably isn't the good guy we all thought he was.
@@yashjoseph3544 What "Marines" are you talking about lol?
Eric Deming is hard to take seriously, anyone who actually listens to Jocko's podcast knows that he never even said a ton of the things that Deming claims he said. Not to mention the "anonymous letter" is ridiculous haha
@@yashjoseph3544 I actually did some research myself. Deming claims that Ramadi was under control in 2005/early 2006 before TU Bruiser arrived, and that Jocko and his SEALs made the situation worse. If you look at the news on Ramadi from 2005 onwards it will tell a much different story
@@ExtraRice365 Green Beret Chronicles has a new podcast in which Eric Deming and two Marines address Jocko's most recent podcasts. One is the Marine who wrote that letter regarding Leif Babin, the other worked alongside Task Unit Bruiser in Ramadi. That's who he's talking about.
I was in the Navy 1982 to 1988 based at North Island Naval Air station right down the road from the seal training camp and every morning I would drive the strand to the base and you could see the seals in the Pacific Ocean on their backs while the wave crashed over them or a larger group with a log over their heads running down the beach and back then they were a great group of men that got the job done. I was with VS-41 and VS-33 AZ2 two west pacs.
As a Civilian that grew up reading and looking up to Navy SEALs, (I watched American Sniper) have yet to see Lone Survivor, I know all the big heavy hitter guys in the hollywood movies, this is heartbreaking to hear that there is so much drama going on inside the program and community. I’ve obviously never been in it myself, but I keep myself up to date on its current status and info while I’m out and about in my normal, pretty peaceful life, and it just makes me so upset that my favorite Special Operations Unit in the Military, are making a complete fool out of themselves. It really opened my eyes to some of the ignorance and immaturity that goes behind closed doors and makes me wonder where they went wrong. I wanna find a retired Green Beret or Off-duty Delta guy in my area to try and inquire more about why the SEALs are acting in the way they are since I just love the topic of Special Operations, Elite Units, as a normal everyday Civilian. God bless your channel man, I’m a new subscriber. Hooyah 🙏🏼🌊
The hardest phase of Seal Training is "How to Negotiate a Movie or Book Deal" if you fail that, you are out! (Joke)
Dude you need to let Jay from GB Chronicles know, he's setting a real bad example for SF reputation with his anti-Jocko vids. Making Green Berets look like jealous gossip spreaders. Not a good look
If Jay was doing all of the talking and making those claims and accusations himself I could see your point. But, he's not he brought on a SEAL to talk about another SEAL. He just provided the platform because Eric Demming doesn't have one. Jay even mentioned how he messaged Jocko to tell him about Eric and his claims and he got no response.
@@Jay15523 I understand your point, but the act of providing the platform, posting the videos without vetting the claims, and then titling the videos as he did, he's fully complicit. Deming isn't the one making the titles to Jay's youtube videos. Jay wrote the titles without any nuance and he is also the one profiting from the views.
@@Jay15523 When Jay titles his video "From One Shot to 36 Marine KIA: The Full Story Behind Task Unit Bruiser Catastrophe" he's making the accusation. He's the one who typed the words and clicked upload.
@@ExtraRice365 I can see that side of it. I still don't think that causes some significant harm to the GB reputation overall though. People can call Jay a gossip spreader if they want and he's retired now so he wouldn't care either way lol. This whole thing with the SEALS has took off so much though I think that's where most people will have their attention. We'll see how things go.
@@ExtraRice365 And yeah with the titles of the video that's the TH-cam game you gotta play unfortunately if you want your videos to stand out in the algorithm.
I am not a SEAL, but enlisted into the Navy in 1987 specifically to become a SEAL. I was put on the phone at MEPS with the then SEAL detailer at BUPERs...long story short I was turned down for the Divefarer program but was encouraged to try it the traditional way. Was also encouraged to go EOD which insulted me. The primary reason I wanted to be a SEAL in high school was they had a reputation (post Vietnam) for being extreme on physical fitness, even by Special Operations standards. And also at that time (eighties), SEALs had a general reputation as having the least amount of military bureacratic bullsh*t in their organization. Another reason the SEALs looked good in 86 and 87 was they were the only unit remaining in the U.S. military that still issued the M14 in large quantities (.308 battle rifle real terminal ballistics). Their spiel was just go in, do it leave and not talk about it. All action and no talk. I watched the media and the SEAL organization post 911 change. I dont know if it was the SEALs themselves or the media got into their unit and began persuading SEALs to write books. The Green Berets went through a similar thing towards the end of Vietnam...quite a few Vietnam war era SF guys wrote books and "went Hollywood" in the seventies, eighties and nineties. Today, if I were seventeen or eightteen again, I would not want to even join the current SEAL TEAMs...IMO they became too conventional and too public.
I don't know anything about it, but as far as the whole Chris Kyle/Jesse Ventura thing, I found it impossible not to sympathize with Ventura. I used to listen to him a bit and he never tried to capitalize on his Vietnam history, he always kept quiet about it, even though he's a guy who makes his living as a public figure. It's also hard to win a defamation case unless the person really did lie.
it seems like people are kinda sick of many things that had their popular run this past decade. seals as a brand, marvel movies, people want something new now.
So was your point in this video to say SEAL's should stop putting BS stories(books, movies) and figures (kyle, lutrel) into the public eye OR they should just shut it publically, not call anyone or anything out because it hurts special operations?
At the start your point seemed to be the former, which I would certainly agree with but then at the end it seemed to be the later, which i dont understand because in that case it will remain rotten and continue to cause damage albeit under the radar?
Both.
@@ValhallaVFT I thought that would be your answer (and appreciate you taking the time), in which case how does it then get fixed?
As this is already a public issue it will need to be resolved in that forum to effect any change. Or are we just hoping and waiting leadership will change and effect cultural change from the bottom up?
Sorry for all the this and that's but I don't see how getting everyone to stick a sock in it at this stage helps, in fact the rot will probably set in more and become generational rot if it isn't burned out now even if it is nasty and public.
Anyway enjoy the content generally just don't see how people being quiet on genuine issues does anything but make this worse long term.
what's your favorite Truly flavor?
Man there’s so many of them lol. This is from the red white and tru pack, I like those ones pretty well.
From what I understand, there isn't much of a requirement to get into the Seal's course (passing it is another thing). SF and Delta is very hard just to be accepted to try out and you have to have made E5 first. Delta is crazy hard to get into.
Don’t forget about the John Chapman cover up!
All there is to say about Gallagher is other operators on his team thought he was crazy and bloodthirsty, even by their standards; The most reasonable interpretation of that is, he was going beyond the pale of accepted norms and mission parameters into unsanctioned butchery, even by the standards of men who are paid trained professional killers, who are given the greenlight to kill as they perceive needed on the mission. That says everything.
I'm not a huge fan of the SEALs in general, but the other team members testimony fell apart during cross examination at Gallagher's court martial. IIRC the only thing he was convicted of was taking a picture with a dead Iraqi. Also in the same picture were all the other SEALs who had been given immunity.
@@l4c390either way he must have been incredibly f*ked up to get his own squad risking jail time and their own status as spec ops, to go to court against him.
@@gavins9846 They didn't risk anything, as they testified under a grant of full immunity. Everyone on that team was guilty of being involved in that prisoners death.
@@l4c390 How guilty? There's standing there in shock because your chief just stuck his own knife into a captives neck out of the blue, versus actually stabbing a captive. A book written by David Philipps covers this, including why his fellow seals were so on the fence about keeping any evidence.
@@l4c390 That's only three of all the seals that testified. And thats because its Seal culture to put loyalty before integrity. One of them (the medic Scott) wanted to use that to protect not himself but Gallagher, because he was still their seal. The fact that they even got their case past their officer and Lt commander, who were both tight with Eddie and had every reason and means to shut it down if it was bull, into the public sphere and a courtroom, is pretty damning. Both superiors knew they would've been charged for ignoring their legal duties to report a warcrime when it first happened, if the case went forward, and they were only saved through Trump's intervention later on in 2019.
A guy at my gym was a Navy Seal. Hes proved it with his dd-214. We were all just joking on him one day about heing Hollywood etc... and it made him cry. He literally cried because we made fun of him and told him being a SEAL doesnt make him tough.
I flew quite a few medivac chase missions, as an assault pilot, in Afghanistan, in addition to assault missions. When the seals were in our AO, it made for a busy day for the med.
We supported the SAS and GBs too, from an assault aspect and medivac standpoint. Those guys were surgical. The seals were the opposite of surgical, lol. Just one mans opinion. Not saying they were bad... just very aggreasive took a much wider battle field presence, which increased their secondary engagements.
They were great fighters and they are obviously trained that way, but it was fascinating to see how the different communities worked. Especially as a young regular army guy, who randomly got thrown in a unit that picked up the 160th overflow work, direct support to the AUS SAS and med chase, in a very active AO, during the surge. So take my viewpoint with a grain of salt. I just obsevred certain patterns over that 12 months.
I like the channel man.
It’s wild how US public perception/propaganda has overblown aspects of SOF, and and at the same time other aspects/units are completely understated. One in particularly is RRC, one of the only (maybe THE only) Tier one unit that is still very much quiet about what they do and what they’ve done, until very recently with Mike Edwards, possibly to a fault
It helps having your base in San Diego helps with the marketing I guess. Easier drive to Hollywood.
@@ValhallaVFT lol maybe so
Hollywood-type boys 💗 Navy-type boys
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Question:
How do different SF teams differ culturally? Like I'd assume different ODAs are relatively similar within their theatre but I wonder how different they may be between things like different theatres
If they separate them by teams and stuff too (dive, mountain etc.), I wonder if there are also differences in culture between those
Really varies team by team. Was on 3 different ODAs throughout my career, two had very similar cultures, one was quite a bit different. Not all teams are created equal, some are really good, some not so much.
@@ValhallaVFT I see, that's pretty interesting just how y'all can be quite different internally speaking
What happened to the two seals that murdered a green beret that caught them stealing.
Other than seals and green berets, whats entry level?
Any AFSOC, Force Recon, Ranger
One of my grandfathers was a green beret during the war in Vietnam, my other biological grandfather was a marine during the same time. They were both studs who went on to do incredible things in life after their military service. When it was my turn, I chose the marine corps based entirely on the fact I knew enough about it going in. I knew what the job was, where I’d end up and what I’d be doing. The soldier hardly ever talked about his experience in the military, aside from a few funny stories. The leather neck was very open and honest with me growing up, he answered all of my questions no matter how hard it was to talk about. Maybe I’d of gone the other way, but I ended up an 0311 with 12 years of service and I’m very proud of that. I think you’re totally right, maybe the SEAL teams are over exposed and the rest of SOF is entirely underexposed. The more of the quiet professionals I see on the internet debriefing about their experience doing the work, the more I hear my young nephews talk about being a green beret, or a PJ, or a JTAC. The rangers have gotten their exposure through history, just like the marines have. Y’all just need a little time and the retention problem will solve itself.
I was in B Co. 1 st Ranger Bat in the 90’s. My CO was Green Beret qualified and spent 5 years in SF. He said that SF wasn’t all that it was cracked up to be, and said the Rangers were the best SpecOps this side of Delta. So much for your pretends that no GB’s go to Ranger Bat. I’ve known numerous Rangers who said they’d go SF only before they retire. And, I can’t tell you how many fat butt Green Berets I’ve seen. Not impressed hero.
Sure you were dude 👍
I think the Rangers are by far the finest unit in the Army. Extremely well trained, extremely disciplined, extremely motivated, and their NCO's and Officers are excellent. They remind me of Marine Infantry. I am biased, I think the USMC is the finest military organization in the world due to their motivation, training, and combined arms expertise, esprit de corps, leadership, and general ethos. Semper fi. Rangers Lead The Way!!!!
Thank you for your service ✌🏻👼🏻🤟🏻
I served in the Navy and back then the SEALS were nothing like the big mouths they are now, they were quiet and didn't go around bragging. I was on carriers and used to see them come in a lot on CODS or either Helos when I was in the 7th fleet, but they would disappear quickly, we never heard anything about them good or bad because they were so mysterious. Now days they are all over the place, podcasts, TV interviews, book signings, giving lectures about leadership, theater movies etc...They are a whole new generation of spec ops guys that live life differently than the old teams did.
Why isn't Lutrell's trident pulled? He was outed by his own rescuer. Kyle was no hero either.
My dream to have a wall like yours lol
Ha! That’s only one wall of it man. It spans onto the one next one too. I’m thinking about doing a video where I go through all of it and explain what it all is.
@@ValhallaVFTI’ll explain it…it’s girl training!😆
The real silent professionals are the French foreign legion. No-one has any clue what they're up to until the French pull out of whichever African country whose government just collapsed :p
I had a horrible experience with the SEAL's in IRAQ. They had no idea how to communicate or use combined arms. Can't tell you how many times they needed to be bailed out of bad situations they had no business being in. They belong in the water, no question they are the best in that battle space.
Trolling gets views. And when you have no game just troll.
Ha! I’m not here to trash …but…
I meant literally 100% of everything in the video. That’s not trolling.
@@ValhallaVFT Trolling successful big names is 100% effective at increasing views.
@@ValhallaVFT you are a troll. Bottom line. Go do something productive.
@@CarTH-camrNews relax turd, jealousy is an ugly trait.
SEALs talk way too much. You don’t see SF, or even common grunts being as loud as the SEALs. Thumping their chests, calling each other out publicly with drama, it’s just crazy…
WTF are you even going on about?
@@JohnDoe-rt2bz It’s in plain English slick,
@@CombatMonkey11B it’s in plain bullshit; and you are full of it.
@@JohnDoe-rt2bz How am I full of it? SEALs have been airing out dirty laundry, calling each other out publicly, running their mouths, expelling other SEALs from “the community”, so on and so forth. Too much drama for guys who should be doing their jobs and shutting up about it. I’m not saying all of them are that way, the bulk are not. However, it’s pretty clear there’s some ego issues that are making it to the public eye, which is unhealthy for the perception of the group as a whole. You must be some civilian that has a hard on for the SEALs.
@@JohnDoe-rt2bz You must be a civilian with a stiffy for the SEALs, because you’re missing out on all the egotistical inner battles they’ve made public. It’s a bad look.
I remember growing up, thinking that Delta force was not a real unit or that it was, but it was no more that the green berets did not exist as they did in Vietnam the army recruiting was gear towards college, “Be all you can be “kind of hokey advertising. I remember one ad where the guy is walking with a girl and she says that she was airborne and I thought to myself oh well that must be a joke then basically I wish I knew a little more about the green berets, I might have given it a shot, not that I would’ve made it, but I certainly would’ve contemplated it.
Nice product placement in the thumbnail 😂😂
This makes me proud to be going into what I am! 18X shipping out in 3 months. Super ready and excited to get after it. Been loving your vids!
Hell ya good luck bro.
You and the rest of the girls in SF.
@@JohnDoe-rt2bz uh oh. Who upset the I-would-have-joined Seal
@@user-rm1rc9ml7p cry harder lil girl!😆
When I was in the Marines, everyone who worked with SF, Marsoc etc had great things to say about them but seals everyone said were really not that great. Lacked discipline and a lot of basic skills required (patrolling, any tactics out side of CQB etc)
Same, got out last year and there was a training event involving green berets and marsoc and seals, they all went through the same situation with us as opfor, green berets and marsoc annihilated us, seals were pinned down for 30 min😂that being said, in real life they definitely would have fucked us up or any enemy unit in that position
@@boricua1151I will take “shit that never happened for $400” Alex!
@@JohnDoe-rt2bz Yet it does...ALOT! Just ask people that have worked with many different organizations. Reports of SEALs in Afghanistan & Iraq not knowing basic land nav. Where there's smoke, there's fire.
@@REB4444 suuuuuure buddy, what ever you need to tell yourself to get that COPIUM FIX.
Damn a navy seal that lacks discipline is crazy to me!
This is fascinating.
My Dad was in the 101st Airborne during WW2. I never heard him talk about the war. Seems like some people need to keep their mouth shut. Great video by the way
In my opinion, if a unit messes up here and there, could be the fault of the troops most likely, but when things continually keep on happening, I’d have to point the finger at the commanders for the most part.
No, especially in SEAL community where the enlisted rule the roost & officers are treated like temps. It's all on the Chiefs & Master Chiefs that have allowed this to happen and the officers that are trying to too hard fit in because they're not considered operators or respected by the troops and want to be one of them and overlook the bad things they do because of it.
Your cognitive dissonance about the shit show that is ARSOF speaks volumes.
Hey Nate, just found your channel. I especially like the we are quiet professionals not silent professionals. I was with 2/504 PIR , we operated in Khost province, set up FOB Salerno in fall of 2002. We did have some SF guys there, all class act pro’s. Also you guys taught us CQB tactics at Bragg before we deployed. Many thanks. Keep up the fire.
Ya not many people understand the difference. I traveled through Salerno a few times, most the operating I did was throughout Kandahar/Uruzghan and Khaz Uruzghan though.
I was fortunate to have had Vietnam/ MACVSOG Seal intructors. The Teams have diminished from being humble quiet professionals.
I've listened to Eddie Gallagher tell his story on 2 different podcasts, and I've listened to others give their view of events. I believe Eddie. It's refreshing that you didn't crap on him, and I respect how you covered it. "Our government sends us to war with strategic goals to accomplish using whatever means necessary. If you don't feel comfortable with how we do our mission, don't send us to war." Hopefully I got that close enough.
You’re extremely bias and to say SEALs are all Hollywood is BS. Green Berets are the OG Hollywood SPECOPS guys, can I interest you in the Arnold’s movies and the Rambo series? I’m not going to address your other allegations because I don’t know and I can only speak on my interactions with team guys vice SF. I agree with something you did say and in the senior enlisted ranks we try to practice which is What’s said the Mess stays in the Mess. The more people who don’t practice it the more people will think it’s ok to air out dirty laundry and/or bash each other.
Are there currently dozens of Green Berets trashing each other in the public domain, calling each other war criminals, suing each other, claiming their war stories are made up, claiming they are criminals? Because there are with the SEALs. I don’t think I’m biased, I think you just don’t like objective reality.
@@ValhallaVFT you showed you’re bias by saying they want to be all Hollywood when that could have been left out. Also if you want to trash a community trash your own because you all have skeletons too. You’re showing how your bias by not airing your dirty laundry but you want to speak about someone else’s, that’s what I’m talking about.
@@Kretikos hmm, interesting. The video I just put out you might want to go look at then if you think that. Considering the court just threw out the entire case and dropped all charges.
4:22 that's a really bad take my guy. There's a difference between war and war crimes. If your video is about accountability well then you have already lost credibility with that statement alone.
Again, people like you’ve who never fought in one’s opinion is irreverent.
@@ValhallaVFTthe man is correct I did serve and I grew up in a war zone. When you kill civilians you create terrorists. The green berets function was to train indig so the fact that you aren't conscious of this is baffling to me.
@@ValhallaVFT Lol okay Mr. "Accountability." I didn't realize that I had to go fight in a war to be qualified to speak common sense.
Protip: Work on your spelling and spend some time with a book without pictures.
Im just an Infantry NCO, but I looked OP Red Wings and the movies and said WTF is happening here and why.
The best thing ever for miliatary recuirment was the release of Call of Duty Modern Warfare games.
Facts, this isn’t talked about enough. The military has a whole department dedicated to funding and influence in movies and video games.
I mean shit, I was asking for Option 40 when I went into the recruiter’s office after playing MW2 lol. Ultimately ended up signing an 18X contract after doing more research into the mission sets.
Ah yes, the classic “the unit i was with is actually more betterer than this other one that people think is good!!”
You wouldn’t know because you weren’t in any of them turd.
@@ValhallaVFTand yours is so easy girls do it!😂
@@HunterHayes-rs2yi 👌 dork!
@@HunterHayes-rs2yi 👌nerd!
@@HunterHayes-rs2yi oh look its precious wittle Feewings are hurt. Toughen up butter cup.
Ironically didn’t this video come out about the time that green beret made that video accusing (with zero proof) Jocko of being a war criminal?
Just want to say how cool it's to know people from all of these communities. Not saying they are perfect but it's just so cool in my opinion.
I once was highly motivated to become a Navy SEAL. I fell in love with Spec Ops. I am now pursuing Army SOF. The reason is that Navy SEALs are too glamorized for me. They have a reputation for boasting and bragging, but other SOF regiments have the same capabilities. Great points.
You would have never made it through BUD/S, don’t kid yourself.
@JohnDoe-rt2bz plus it's overmanned. I was in the navy and I was an undesignated seaman before I picked up for OS. Learn from my mistakes and don't join the navy. Go in the army or air force.
@@UltimateLimitless678 what is overmanned? BUD/S? NSW? The OS RATE has nothing to do with either.
Well then you can buy your ODA buddies another beer while the girl leaves the bar with a SEAL😉
@@JohnDoe-rt2bzSo if it’s “overmanned,” is it not worth joining the Navy just for NSW?
Tony E. DeDolph was a SEAL who helped haze and ultimately murder Staff Sgt. Logan Melgar, an Army Special Forces soldier. However, let's not forget Marine Gunnery Sgt. Mario Madera-Rodriguez helped in the hazing - a Marine Raider. In Vietnam, it was Army soldiers who mass-murdered unarmed civilians during the My Lai Massacre. In Iraq, it was US Marines who murdered unarmed Iraqi civilians in the Haditha Massacre. Are SEALs generally "worse" than other US warfighters? No. They have just had more popularity recently, and for the general population to learn that they aren't necessarily saints is shocking to some. They will go out of the limelight, and some other group will take their place. In Vietnam it was the Special Forces. Recently, it was the SEALs. It will most likely be the Marine Raiders next. Then, they will be vilified or fall from the limelight as well. The cycle repeats itself. History repeats itself. The next war will repeat itself.
Everyone has dirt.
SF operators aren’t hard to kill.
@@JohnDoe-rt2bz you better behave yourself or your mom will cut you off the Internet and throw you out of her basement 🤓.
And the SEALs are the only ones who air it out for everyone to see.
@@ValhallaVFT the us army hides like cowards when they kill their own down range and lie about it to try and save face, or when ARSOF redeploy back to Bragg and smoke their supposed best “friend” or dump a mag into their old ladies face. Your trash talk aside, put down your Meth Pipe and take a long hard look on just how absolutely pathetic and weak you are presenting yourself. Or not, either way you are past the point of redemption.
2005-2006
Worked and supported Hillah Swat and the ODA. True professionals.
2008
Al Diwaniyah
Seal team guys were cocky and pretentious. ODA guys were always very professional.
Its always been my view that Seals have that long training pipeline because they are sailors. They need that long training to get to the standard.
The only unit that I truly was shocked was the 75th. I saw those guys at NTC. I have never seen such speed and violence of action.
Lol I can't believe I went to basic with this dude forever ago
RIP to John Chapman operation anaconda. Can’t forget about that botched devgru op.