According to the product page (I'm still waiting mind to be sent while ordered just in the morning on 17th !!!) the included bit kit is weird mix - only metric Hexes and two square Robertson (one of which looks unique). The latter I suppose widely used only in the US and Canada. As the bit set does not differ across the ocean, that looks like "here is the bit kit for free tha half of which you won't ever use" ;))) ARC: #1 Torx #10 & #15, #1 1 Torx #20 & #25 #1 Pozi #2 & #1 #2 Hex 1.5mm & 2mm #2 Hex 2.5mm & 3mm #2 Hex 4mm & 5mm #1 Screwdriver 3/32" & 1/8" #1 Robertson #1 & 2 NONE Robertson #2 & 3 #1 + Square Drive #1 & #2 + Torx #10 & #15 + Torx #20 & #25 Torx #27 & #30 Eyeglass Screwdriver + Pozi #2 & #1 Phillips #1 & #2 Phillips #0 & #3 + Screwdriver 3/32" & 1/8" Screwdriver 5/32" & 3/16" Screwdriver 7/32" & 1/4" #2 Torx #6 & #8 + Hex 1.5mm & 2mm + Hex 2.5mm & 3mm + Hex 4mm & 5mm Hex 6mm & 1/4" Hex 7/32" & 3/16" Hex 5/32 & 9/64" Hex 1/8" & 7/64" Hex 3/32" & 5/64" Hex 1/16" & .050"
I'm a little confused as to what you're saying. it's not as if someone could take apart there Leatherman tool with the the tool itself. People can easily get the bit they need to disassemble the Leatherman tool, Leatherman knows this. If that's why they left that bit out it's really stupid.
@@davidrushing2507that is not the bit you need to take it apart! It uses a t9 technically you can use a t8 but you will end up stripping I know that from experience I ended up using a t8 and eventually got stripped
Hey, thanks for mentioning my holsters. The Garage 005 holster does fit the ARC, but I still will be making a perfect fit version just for the ARC. Even though it isn't mine, even I am tempted by that bit holder. Too bad I don't have easy access to low-cost machining like they do overseas.
I definitely like the mod you did here. I wish Leatherman would offer that mod on their other models. I’m not a guy who’d pay the $230 plus for the Ark just because of a better blade steel. My Leatherman blade is a backup for my pocket knife anyway and that’s where I invest in a quality blade steel. To be able to use three different styles of drivers with that modification is sweet.
The only reason I was ever Intrested in the ark is for one it looks nicer then the free series and two is the thumb stud on the cutting blade. I was definitely a little disappointing in the price of the ark at first but hey I’ve carried a free p4 for quite awhile now and I’m very impressed other the it’s alittle bit tricky the access the blade in less than perfect conditions
🤣especially as you have life time warranty. So if you really need it you can send it in when the "cheaper" steel gets damaged. With all one can criticize about Leatherman. Here they are really good at.
In the Leatherman Q&A on reddit, one of the designers said they didn't put a hole in the awl because they view the implement as a pry/scrape/poke tool and the hole would decrease the overall strength.
I think that if I was going to do a repair on leather or canvas I would wait until I could do a proper repair rather than a patch job since these types of materials are usually found on more expensive gear. Nylon, ripstop, or other fabric would not fair well with such a large puncture to do a in a field repair. Dave Canterbury recommends taping a heavy sewing needle to the back of your knife sheath for repairs which could easily be adapted for todays needs.
I can say I’ve never needed the hole in the awl to use for sewing, but I have broken my awl right at the hole using it as a reamer. In my opinion the hole just makes the tool weak and serves no purpose. So I agree with the designer.
I just recently bought a new leatherman and I was torn from the surge or the arc. I decided to go with the surge just because I feel value for what you get is better then the arc. Plus being able to remove the file/saw and either get aftermarket bosh ones or just oem replacements is great, add the benefit of using the diamond file to sharpen the blade on the surge in a pinch is great as well.
It would be really nice if they had a "build your own tool" type of program so you can make a tool with the bit driver you installed, theres a handful of tools included on this that I have no use for and it would be nice to swap them out
If they made that bit holder slightly longer to allow more reach for regular 4mm bits. Then it would have been perfect. I love your channel, thank you for sharing all the mod videos. I really enjoyed watching them, and I learned a lot of new potentials to make my multitool better.
Thank you for this video, as well as the others you produce. I always look forward to seeing what you’re introducing next. As far as the Arc is concerned, Leatherman has priced itself out of my market. I bought a Wave+ earlier this year and added the bit kit & an bit extension. I was $150+ into a Leatherman EDC kit at that point. I won’t spend the extra for the Arc, especially since I bought the ByBury clone of the Surge, which is a really great tool. Unexpectedly, I bought the Gerber Dual Force (I think you informed us of the sale), and I use it more than any multitool I own. The chisel and pliers are fantastic. Thanks, again for your service.
Waiting for my ARC. Ordered one yesterday. Have been using a wave for probably 10 years. Then I got a Swisstool which I love. But I decided to pull the trigger for some magnacut and the free form factor I’ve been wanting to try. Love the content brother!!
That is crappy of Leatherman to leave out one bit forcing you to buy a redundant bit kit to get all the bits. Leatherman doesn't even disclose this fact on their Arc web page.
Just got my Arc today. Replacing my Surge as my EDC since I really don't use it every day for hard work like the surge is really made for. Prefer the lighter weight and all tools on the outside. Love the channel! Thanks for all the great information!
Love the idea of modifying it but I’m gonna keep mine how it is, the flat ones are more portable if I need anything more robust chances are I have my tools anyways
Not trying to change your mind, but nothing would prevent you front still carrying the Leatherman bits and using them with the Mod shown in the video. It just provides additional options if you want to use other bits. That said, voiding the warranty could be a bummer if you’re hard on your tool.
Love your videos and how in depth you go with details and your thoughts! I bought the arc today for one because I’m a knife guy “to your point” and I’ve been using the Free P2 as my harder use EDC multitool and with the tool set on the Arc it looks like those will be solved for me! I plan on making a video on my perspective of why I bought it when it arrives!
for years steel snobs have been crying that Leatherman does not have "premium" blade steels.... now Leatherman made one with an upgraded steel.. and the same people are crying about how much it costs. I like the tool set on this, and would like to at least try one, for a review. but I am happy with my 440 blades on my wave and surge.
I actually like the flat bits because they take up less space. I usually carry a bit elder anyway so I can use 1/4” bits with that. I heard that the reason the bit kits were out of stock was because they needed to use another supplier and the new supplier increased the hardness of the bits. I’m not sure that true though it would be interesting to test that comment.
I bought a Free P4 last year and that was pretty much the max I would spend on a multitool. This is just too expensive for me, and they do not even give you the full bit kit. Is the sheath leather? Maybe they should make a version with standard 420 steel. That would fine for my needs! I may scour Ebay later on for one!
I kinda like the Leatherman bit kit system better. Just for its carry ability. I can carry the tool and the full bit kit in the sheath plus the bit extender in those stretchy pockets on the outside. Absolutely perfect for edc.
The Leatherman bits are almost useless. Why they choose to use those bits beats me. Putting that bit proprietary driver on the Arc is a step backward. The bits keep falling out. The Arc is a terrible tool selection. No serrated blade? Pass. Lousy scissors? Pass. Useless bit driver taking up space? Pass. Lousy/no package opener? Pass. The Arc has a magnacut blade. Wooooo. Yeah, no. It's a toy for people who don't do.
I'm a mechatronics technician, and this Leatherman Arc multi-tool is literally what I need. I'm from Europe, and despite the high price of €300+, I definitely find it worth the effort.
Got mine for Christmas and am super stoaked! Don't miss the lacking bit yet but will keep it in consideration. Have had a surge for the past 3 years but it is so heavy that it lives in my backpack that I bring to work every day (pharmacist). I am also a knife nerd who has carried his spydiechef every day while not working. Now that I have the arc, I have a consolidated edc. All that aside, I can't get on board with losing the can opener--I use one almost every week
I agree with you 100% about getting whatever works for you in this tool. I still think the ARC is excessively overpriced for the features it is offering
I think the price is ok. Multitools in general are rather fair priced compared to folding knives. Not my cup of tea though, as I carry a knife + MT, I would be more interested in a bladeless Free P4.
I have been eyeing the Surge. I really like the features of the Surge. Then, the Arc came out. Made in USA. Awesome. Your showing us, the viewers, this new product, the Arc, with owner's insights allows me to believe that there was not much courtesy to future potential buyers, omitting that one bit that normally comes with the Leatherman bits. Especially with the much higher price tag. Full disclosure report is greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Great video and modification. Thanks for the headsup about the missing bit. Im a little less excited because of that. Leatherman, have to find a way to mess something up!
I have bought the Arc in Australia for $500 and i didn't even think about the bit kit. I have my wave+ on a pocket clip as I choose it for casual carry, you mentioned this is a wave+ upgrade. I have the heavier tools with a packed stealth as my EDC.
Love Leatherman-bit concept, however hate how soft they are and how fast they wear down. Wish some company produce that bits with different technology so they would last.
I edc a Swisstool Spirit with ratchet and 4mm adapter. I did buy Arc today because I will carry it with Swiss ratchet because Leatherman one is way too expensive in secondary market. Very well done and thought out video.
i wish they could have the T shank from the surge i like having a few back up files laying around so i dont need to send in the tool for a new file everytime i wear it out
The best thing there is your mod! (Really, where can I get one? You've mentioned this before I think) I seriously doubt knife lovers will generally consider the blade worth it For this price you can get wayyyyy better handling knives. For most knife people, ergonomics is a major factor. Which is why every one of them carries a multitool for anything but the blade, excepting as a backup option. For non-knife people, they will only carr for the steel if they are the type to buy into "x says this is the best". Leatherman is approaching Gerber levels of frustrating for me. But somehow from the exact opposite direction. Every Gerber tool has one or two good ideas but cheaps out so much on the rest the tool itself becomes pointless. Leatherman has one or two decent ideas snd continues to price themselves out of the user-consumer market straight into the lifestyle and collector segment. So nah, they don't pay for that Bruce Springsteen stamp. You do.
Great job, man! I must say that Arc looks interesting.. BUT.. In Sweden it costs 3999 kr = 330 € for this money you can buy Surge/Charge/Wave or Free and for example Deka in Magnacut (if it is important to have a magnacut blade) and a few beers or some accessories. I plan on hunting for good sales and maybe then...
As a casual user I literally could not care less about the bits and I don't think I've had any issues with the bits in my skeletool during the 7 plus years I've had it..
I just got my charge plus tti about 2 months ago, I’ll keep my charge for edc and I was between the arc and surge for work, I’m still leaning definitely more towards the Surge now
I have the Surge. It is VERY, VERY heavy tool. The Surge with bits and with ratchet driver weights 580 grams. Surge alone weight 380 grams. I purchased it for my hiking trips, but it weights so much- I prefer to hike with my Victorinox Handyman. The best side of Surge- it has changeable saws and the bit driver.
On one hand, the ARC has continued to trend of Leatherman annoying me. Throwing a bunch of collector's items at us for a year and then finally giving us a new tool, that includes everything the FREE series should have but put at an absurd price point due to blade steel. On the other hand, it has got me to revisit my FREE P2 and I've grown to appreciate it more despite it's issues. I'm saving my money for a GOAT.
What matters more is its functionality when required. It's not compromise mate, it's an improvement. The reason Leatherman left out the two most useful bit is just sales & marketing. The Arc is quite expensive and to get one into Australia will be a fortune due to tax & exchange. FYI we've made mods to our generics that it would be able to utilise different/multiple bits from almost all makers. Who needs warranty when we have MaxLvlEDC to show us what to do to make our tools much more useful. Cheers maestro from Australia.
I really want the ARC, but I have to save up for it. Medical bills wiped out my savings. Thyroid issues costs alot. I am hoping that by the time I can afford it, they either do something like this or at least include the T6/T8 bit. I don't feel like I am totally missing out, because thanks to you, I have the Orange G10 Charge. That blade is still close to as sharp as it was out of the box. My Knifeless Rebar has a Awl, so if I think I will need it or go or work in a knife sensitive building, I bring that. I definitely still want the Arc, but just like my Multiforce, Charge, Rebar, and Powerpint, I would just use the wiha double sided bits and just like my Charge, I would have to use the extention. I would definitely consider this upgrade. It's awesome how it can use both 4mm and 1/4 bits.
Leatherman is creating the luxury multitool brand with the arc. In the pocketknife world, $230 is not that expensive really. Especially considering magnacut. Add the excellent toolset and I think this is the perfect pocket knife/multitool bridge.
First off, as always, thank you for your enlightening videos! Secondly, while I like the idea of a magnacut blade, I personally can not justify the price to myself. If I were to spent the money for Magnacut, it would have to be for a primary carry blade be it a folder or fixed blade. I also can't get behind any tool that only uses Proprietary bits. I hate that about the SAK Cybertool series as well all be it easier to glue a 4mm magnet into the socket in order to use standard bits rather than pay $20 a bit due to shipping. The only Leatherman(s) I have are the PS4 and ES4 (I was formerly in IT), I also purchased a PS4 for an EDC kit I made for my Mother-n-law because she is a seamstress (even though she's an Electrical Engineer) and the scissors are very good for nipping threads, the plyers for pulling stubborn needles, and the flat/2D Philips heads for making adjustments on sewing machines. But to each n their own, since I'm medically retired, I don't really have the need for one and can not call it a write off on taxes so the price is outrageous for Me and if I was going to spend that kinda cash it would probably be for a Victorinox. ((If they would bring back an updated Juice line, I'd consider getting another Leatherman, as I'm not paying secondary market prices))
I saw images of a brand new broken pliers on a Leatherman Surge on Amazon and what's become very clear is Leatherman's of today are not even remotely close to the quality of Leatherman's of the past .
Did not know that the bit driver mod was a thing. I like it. I don't even have a tool I want to put it in yet, but I went ahead and ordered one. The shipping time is not looking quick, so I'll have time to decide if I want to pick up an Arc or put in something else.
Nice. Not for the steep price and loss of the warranty though. I think I'll stick with my Surge (or even my Wave+ for a lighter carry) and save the money to put toward a folding knife with a Magnacut blade. I was excited for something new, but the more I see about the Arc the more disappointed I become.
While I do love the idea of using standard 1/4" bits in theory, I'm not sure if it's actually better in practice. You lose another tool, and it's not a useless one - that flat driver is the prying tool as well, something you really shouldn't do with a bit driver. Plus, the way the Leatherman bit driver handles bit retention is (albeit only slightly) better than what these aftermarket parts offer. The 4mm bit holder is also really neat, but even a 4mm bit is wider than a Leatherman bit, so they would be hard pressed to include such a tool without taking up more space, compromising on strength, or creating proprietary precision bits that are as thin as their larger bits. And in the end, you still need to carry extra bits for it to even matter. The Leatherman bits are double sided, so in many cases it's just two tools in one, but you still have the pry tool. With the aftermarket, you can still have that two in one, but you lost the pry tool... I really don't think they are just trying to sell proprietary bits. I think most Wave owners probably don't buy a bit kit to start with, and probably only ever consider buying a replacement of the standard one it comes with if they break it. The Leatherman design allows them to fit more into one tool, while still giving you a two-in one with the option of swapping to other bit types, and the ability to replace broken bits. It isn't universal, but I think that it does what most users really need without wasting space. That's not to say that there aren't downsides to the way Leatherman does it, and they could certainly charge less for the replacements. And it isn't to say that this sort of upgrade doesn't make sense for some users, but I don't think I would agree that the standard bit driver is a "big issue" or that this is a "perfect fix" for it. I think there are much more frustrating issues that are much harder to solve with this and other Leatherman tools (not to mention other stuff that the company does).
I think my perfect tool, would be a Garage #005 and Arc combo. Swap all the Arc tool except the pry tool into the #005 handles, keeping the package opener/pry combo and the spring loaded pliers in the white grips, but with the black Arc blade, Arc awl, the slightly longer Arc file, and the slightly more refined designs of the bit drivers they put on the Arc. I think the saws are actually identical, and so are the scissors.
Great video! I like the 1/4" + 4mm bit holder you installed replacing the proprietary Letherman bit holder. Are you aware of a replacement that would work with the Surge? Thanks!
I bought an arc I have a wave and the GOAT TOOL and just really wanted this for the magnacut blade I own the bit kit but have never used it. Sad to hear about how soft the metal is Thanks for the info I may do the mod eventually
I think the Arc is the leatherman I want to buy. With the bit kit, it allows for the use of bits in a pinch, I don't need tools for the most part for my job, but having an emergency tool just makes sense. Technically, I should either go for the wave or surge, but I really like the idea of fast plier access, and a blade I don't really have to sharpen (not a skill I have.)
you will eventually need to sharpen the blade, nothing is immune from that... its a skill ultimately you'll need unless you want disposable $230 tools.
I don't see the "bit driver" at the ebay link provided for same--instead, it lists "Scalpel Blade Bit Holders Saw T-Shank for the Leatherman Free P2 P4 Series." If the original link is outdated, can you please supply an updated one? If you sell the bit driver through your affiliated links, I'll gladly buy one from there/you. Thanks--and great video!
Leatherman put the scissors on the outside, and got it made enough in the USA to say it on the product. Comparing the cost to the wave and charge, while keeping in mind other costs that have gone up, the ark really is not that much. My problem is my pay not keeping pace. With all that I plan to get the leatherman ark, it might be next year and use the rei %20 off coupon.
I think it would have been a good idea to have something like that on the arc. Would have made it more versatile than their bits. And from my experience using them they are not that great and have damaged several of them because they couldn't handle the work. Looks easy enough to install though.
Love the content especially the modding aspect! I've just ordered an Arc today along with the bitdriver mod and some anodised thumb grips for the file and saw😁 would love to see any other mods you do for the Arc or other Leatherman multitool👍 keep up the good work
Thanks for the video. Please make a comparison between the Victorinox Spirit Mx Clip and the Leatherman Arc. The only thing that pulls me back from leatherman is that I live in a city near the sea and its tools rust a little faster. Thank you and have a good day
I've seen the cutters fail multiple times on cutting coat hanger type or softer wire. There's a flaw in the cutters. They chip when used to cut harder things towards the bottom.
That bit driver is one of the best most useful tools ever on any multitool! 🛠️ I wonder if Leatherman has that same bir driver for the Surge and Wave? That would really increase the versatility of a lot tasks at work and home.
No, the bit drivee is a placeholder for suckers. The bits fall out, but it's just a bad design. All of Leatherman's bit drivers are bad design. It really is too bad that Leatherman chose such a poor tool set. Shame in them, but let's see hom many suckers fall for it.
@@HughPecon You have to use the tool. Even so, they are inferior bits. Too small, too soft, to useless. The off-center design is bad. Some tools are usable, but the bit drivers are not.
I have no interest in the Arc but that is a great mod. On a side note, I saw an Ebay seller offering a la carte Leatherman replacement bits, the T6/T8 was offered for $22 plus $7 shipping, basically the cost of buying a whole new bit kit 😆
Epic setup love it🦾🔥🔥🔥..there are endless possibilities with leatherman multitools I just learned of a one where you can create a sheath on the belt clip using electricians shrink wrap..holstering something slimline which is the same size as the belt clip..👍🏻🔥🔥
This might be a basic question-why do so many multitool manufacturers include a bottle opener and/or can opener on almost every make/model/unit/tool? Wouldn’t it be better to have the tools most people would actually use the most or need? Instead of a can opener or bottle opener, they could redesign the multitool with a much more useful pry bar, knife/blade, possibly include a razor knife, pliers, wire stripper, cutters, a well designed bit holder that can use a huge range of the most popular bits that most tradesmen etc use, of course all the tolls would need to have a lock, and make the tool capable of customization while being covered by a decent warranty? It doesn’t make sense but it seems to me they can make a good tool without the mostly unused can opener and bottle opener.
can you provide a link or the exact description of the tools that you used to take apart your Leatherman? I have been trying to find the ratchet driver handle whatever you might wanna call it and I can’t figure it out. I guess I’m a little slow, but I’ve searched everything I can think of and haven’t found it yetsure appreciate it. Thank you so much. I also love your videos.
I've been using the wave since before it picked up the + and have never seen a reason to upgrade it. I see a multi tool as kind of a jack of all trades master of non option. When I need better more specialized tools for something, I have those, know what I mean?
Hi, full size bit holder is the best mod ever IMO. Please could you say something more about quality of this piece? They say on the website is made of 420C steel, is it feel solid/strong enough since it looks very thin on the sides?
Just carry the bit extender. I like LM solution much better, their bits are optimized for portability and it is compatible with the full 1/4 bits. The other way around does not work.
I would have to agree the special propriety bit kit is not the way they should continue to go. I got another brand for my working tool because of the full sized bit driver. Good for you
I never got any of the free series tools, but with all my multitools, except for my PowerPint, I use them alot in a L shape to get more torque on a screw. I haven't seen anyone doing that with a free series tools, but I have seen many people use other multitools in a L shape. Can this frame not handle that stress? I am not talking lagbolt stress, but sometimes I have to sink a 2-6 inch regular wood screw into a deck or like the other day I had to fix my step and I used my Rebar. Thanks for answering this question because it just occurred to me that this might be a reason why I don't get a free series tool.
Im fortunate enough as a "knife guy" that I already have some wiha bit drivers and kits with t6 t8 ect. As someone else said in the coments its not as if you can use the leatherman tool to disassemble itself and it itself is not the best bit driver for things like pocket knife disassembly anyways. Still i agree its weird it isnt there.
I love magnacut, but it needs to be great treated correctly. I've been looking at this and we'll it works with one hand. My left arm is paralyzed and I just started living full time in my van... down by the river! So, currently I need a good, one handed multi-tool. Like you in pretty disappointed that the blade is coated. I imagine it's coated for a specific reason and I wouldn't be surprised to find out it's because there are some problems with the magnacut
According to the product page (I'm still waiting mind to be sent while ordered just in the morning on 17th !!!) the included bit kit is weird mix - only metric Hexes and two square Robertson (one of which looks unique). The latter I suppose widely used only in the US and Canada. As the bit set does not differ across the ocean, that looks like "here is the bit kit for free tha half of which you won't ever use" ;)))
ARC:
#1 Torx #10 & #15,
#1 1 Torx #20 & #25
#1 Pozi #2 & #1
#2 Hex 1.5mm & 2mm
#2 Hex 2.5mm & 3mm
#2 Hex 4mm & 5mm
#1 Screwdriver 3/32" & 1/8"
#1 Robertson #1 & 2
NONE Robertson #2 & 3
#1
+ Square Drive #1 & #2
+ Torx #10 & #15
+ Torx #20 & #25
Torx #27 & #30
Eyeglass Screwdriver
+ Pozi #2 & #1
Phillips #1 & #2
Phillips #0 & #3
+ Screwdriver 3/32" & 1/8"
Screwdriver 5/32" & 3/16"
Screwdriver 7/32" & 1/4"
#2
Torx #6 & #8
+ Hex 1.5mm & 2mm
+ Hex 2.5mm & 3mm
+ Hex 4mm & 5mm
Hex 6mm & 1/4"
Hex 7/32" & 3/16"
Hex 5/32 & 9/64"
Hex 1/8" & 7/64"
Hex 3/32" & 5/64"
Hex 1/16" & .050"
this info is amazing! pinning it!
The metric hexes will appeal to bicyclists since modern bikes use metric hex bolts almost exclusively.
Leatherman must really be terrified of people modifying their tools. I can’t believe they’d go so far as to leave out the T8 from the set.
Yeah, it really says it all eh ? 😩
What’s hilarious is most of the engineers that participated in the Reddit AMA carry modified tools.
Well they stopped designing using security torx at least.
I'm a little confused as to what you're saying. it's not as if someone could take apart there Leatherman tool with the the tool itself. People can easily get the bit they need to disassemble the Leatherman tool, Leatherman knows this. If that's why they left that bit out it's really stupid.
@@davidrushing2507that is not the bit you need to take it apart! It uses a t9 technically you can use a t8 but you will end up stripping I know that from experience I ended up using a t8 and eventually got stripped
Hey, thanks for mentioning my holsters. The Garage 005 holster does fit the ARC, but I still will be making a perfect fit version just for the ARC. Even though it isn't mine, even I am tempted by that bit holder. Too bad I don't have easy access to low-cost machining like they do overseas.
If you made something like this it will sell out in a heartbeat, even at a higher price
I definitely like the mod you did here. I wish Leatherman would offer that mod on their other models. I’m not a guy who’d pay the $230 plus for the Ark just because of a better blade steel. My Leatherman blade is a backup for my pocket knife anyway and that’s where I invest in a quality blade steel. To be able to use three different styles of drivers with that modification is sweet.
The only reason I was ever Intrested in the ark is for one it looks nicer then the free series and two is the thumb stud on the cutting blade. I was definitely a little disappointing in the price of the ark at first but hey I’ve carried a free p4 for quite awhile now and I’m very impressed other the it’s alittle bit tricky the access the blade in less than perfect conditions
🤣especially as you have life time warranty. So if you really need it you can send it in when the "cheaper" steel gets damaged.
With all one can criticize about Leatherman. Here they are really good at.
In the Leatherman Q&A on reddit, one of the designers said they didn't put a hole in the awl because they view the implement as a pry/scrape/poke tool and the hole would decrease the overall strength.
I think that if I was going to do a repair on leather or canvas I would wait until I could do a proper repair rather than a patch job since these types of materials are usually found on more expensive gear. Nylon, ripstop, or other fabric would not fair well with such a large puncture to do a in a field repair. Dave Canterbury recommends taping a heavy sewing needle to the back of your knife sheath for repairs which could easily be adapted for todays needs.
If someone made an proper awl needle that fits into the eyeglass bit holder, that would be pretty cool.
agreed, and D.C. actually uses the hell out of his gear.
I can say I’ve never needed the hole in the awl to use for sewing, but I have broken my awl right at the hole using it as a reamer. In my opinion the hole just makes the tool weak and serves no purpose. So I agree with the designer.
@@maxlvledc why would the Leatherman driver bits wear out? Leatherman claims their driver bits are "hardened steel."
I feel like this issue wouldn't be one if they sold each bit individually, I'd pay $5 per bit if they'd sell the t6/t8 bits separately 😪
I just recently bought a new leatherman and I was torn from the surge or the arc. I decided to go with the surge just because I feel value for what you get is better then the arc. Plus being able to remove the file/saw and either get aftermarket bosh ones or just oem replacements is great, add the benefit of using the diamond file to sharpen the blade on the surge in a pinch is great as well.
It would be really nice if they had a "build your own tool" type of program so you can make a tool with the bit driver you installed, theres a handful of tools included on this that I have no use for and it would be nice to swap them out
If they made that bit holder slightly longer to allow more reach for regular 4mm bits. Then it would have been perfect.
I love your channel, thank you for sharing all the mod videos. I really enjoyed watching them, and I learned a lot of new potentials to make my multitool better.
Thank you for this video, as well as the others you produce. I always look forward to seeing what you’re introducing next. As far as the Arc is concerned, Leatherman has priced itself out of my market. I bought a Wave+ earlier this year and added the bit kit & an bit extension. I was $150+ into a Leatherman EDC kit at that point. I won’t spend the extra for the Arc, especially since I bought the ByBury clone of the Surge, which is a really great tool. Unexpectedly, I bought the Gerber Dual Force (I think you informed us of the sale), and I use it more than any multitool I own. The chisel and pliers are fantastic. Thanks, again for your service.
I've got a Dual Force in my collection. Great tool. The slip joint on the pivot is such a nice feature. More multi-tools could use it.
Waiting for my ARC. Ordered one yesterday. Have been using a wave for probably 10 years. Then I got a Swisstool which I love. But I decided to pull the trigger for some magnacut and the free form factor I’ve been wanting to try. Love the content brother!!
That is crappy of Leatherman to leave out one bit forcing you to buy a redundant bit kit to get all the bits. Leatherman doesn't even disclose this fact on their Arc web page.
Just got my Arc today. Replacing my Surge as my EDC since I really don't use it every day for hard work like the surge is really made for. Prefer the lighter weight and all tools on the outside. Love the channel! Thanks for all the great information!
Love the idea of modifying it but I’m gonna keep mine how it is, the flat ones are more portable if I need anything more robust chances are I have my tools anyways
Not trying to change your mind, but nothing would prevent you front still carrying the Leatherman bits and using them with the Mod shown in the video. It just provides additional options if you want to use other bits. That said, voiding the warranty could be a bummer if you’re hard on your tool.
The Leatherman oht is back in stock!
Love your videos and how in depth you go with details and your thoughts! I bought the arc today for one because I’m a knife guy “to your point” and I’ve been using the Free P2 as my harder use EDC multitool and with the tool set on the Arc it looks like those will be solved for me! I plan on making a video on my perspective of why I bought it when it arrives!
awesome, tag me when you do!
Such a great modification. Awesome tip.
full-size 1/4" hex drive is absolutely amazing. for most people, the can opener is the one tool they don't use. truly the perfect mod.
for years steel snobs have been crying that Leatherman does not have "premium" blade steels.... now Leatherman made one with an upgraded steel.. and the same people are crying about how much it costs. I like the tool set on this, and would like to at least try one, for a review. but I am happy with my 440 blades on my wave and surge.
I actually like the flat bits because they take up less space. I usually carry a bit elder anyway so I can use 1/4” bits with that. I heard that the reason the bit kits were out of stock was because they needed to use another supplier and the new supplier increased the hardness of the bits. I’m not sure that true though it would be interesting to test that comment.
Great explanation, plus the after market replacement driver on the ARC was stellar.
Surge or Wave + will be my go-to.
I bought a Free P4 last year and that was pretty much the max I would spend on a multitool. This is just too expensive for me, and they do not even give you the full bit kit. Is the sheath leather? Maybe they should make a version with standard 420 steel. That would fine for my needs! I may scour Ebay later on for one!
I kinda like the Leatherman bit kit system better. Just for its carry ability. I can carry the tool and the full bit kit in the sheath plus the bit extender in those stretchy pockets on the outside. Absolutely perfect for edc.
It's great, if you love crazy expensive bits made from play dough metal...
The Leatherman bits are almost useless. Why they choose to use those bits beats me. Putting that bit proprietary driver on the Arc is a step backward. The bits keep falling out. The Arc is a terrible tool selection. No serrated blade? Pass. Lousy scissors? Pass. Useless bit driver taking up space? Pass. Lousy/no package opener? Pass. The Arc has a magnacut blade. Wooooo. Yeah, no. It's a toy for people who don't do.
@@edwardfletcher7790 I do
@@googleuser6635 nope
@@HughPecon Figures.
I'm a mechatronics technician, and this Leatherman Arc multi-tool is literally what I need. I'm from Europe, and despite the high price of €300+, I definitely find it worth the effort.
Come on, you can buy a toolset for that price!
Got mine for Christmas and am super stoaked! Don't miss the lacking bit yet but will keep it in consideration. Have had a surge for the past 3 years but it is so heavy that it lives in my backpack that I bring to work every day (pharmacist). I am also a knife nerd who has carried his spydiechef every day while not working. Now that I have the arc, I have a consolidated edc. All that aside, I can't get on board with losing the can opener--I use one almost every week
I agree with you 100% about getting whatever works for you in this tool. I still think the ARC is excessively overpriced for the features it is offering
I think the price is ok. Multitools in general are rather fair priced compared to folding knives. Not my cup of tea though, as I carry a knife + MT, I would be more interested in a bladeless Free P4.
Agree, it should be $189 at the absolute maximum.
I have been eyeing the Surge. I really like the features of the Surge. Then, the Arc came out. Made in USA. Awesome. Your showing us, the viewers, this new product, the Arc, with owner's insights allows me to believe that there was not much courtesy to future potential buyers, omitting that one bit that normally comes with the Leatherman bits. Especially with the much higher price tag. Full disclosure report is greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Great video and modification. Thanks for the headsup about the missing bit. Im a little less excited because of that. Leatherman, have to find a way to mess something up!
I have bought the Arc in Australia for $500 and i didn't even think about the bit kit. I have my wave+ on a pocket clip as I choose it for casual carry, you mentioned this is a wave+ upgrade. I have the heavier tools with a packed stealth as my EDC.
Very informative. Thank you for the insights.
And ruler, and the ruler. I will be etching my own in to the Arc
My King Surge will remain my go to multi tool for work. I will replace the Wave+ with the ARC for my edc.
Surge can't be used for EDC?
Love Leatherman-bit concept, however hate how soft they are and how fast they wear down. Wish some company produce that bits with different technology so they would last.
I edc a Swisstool Spirit with ratchet and 4mm adapter. I did buy Arc today because I will carry it with Swiss ratchet because Leatherman one is way too expensive in secondary market. Very well done and thought out video.
WOW!! Beautiful, the one with runes is amazing!!
i wish they could have the T shank from the surge i like having a few back up files laying around so i dont need to send in the tool for a new file everytime i wear it out
The best thing there is your mod! (Really, where can I get one? You've mentioned this before I think)
I seriously doubt knife lovers will generally consider the blade worth it
For this price you can get wayyyyy better handling knives.
For most knife people, ergonomics is a major factor. Which is why every one of them carries a multitool for anything but the blade, excepting as a backup option.
For non-knife people, they will only carr for the steel if they are the type to buy into "x says this is the best".
Leatherman is approaching Gerber levels of frustrating for me. But somehow from the exact opposite direction.
Every Gerber tool has one or two good ideas but cheaps out so much on the rest the tool itself becomes pointless.
Leatherman has one or two decent ideas snd continues to price themselves out of the user-consumer market straight into the lifestyle and collector segment.
So nah, they don't pay for that Bruce Springsteen stamp. You do.
Great job, man! I must say that Arc looks interesting.. BUT.. In Sweden it costs 3999 kr = 330 € for this money you can buy Surge/Charge/Wave or Free and for example Deka in Magnacut (if it is important to have a magnacut blade) and a few beers or some accessories. I plan on hunting for good sales and maybe then...
As a casual user I literally could not care less about the bits and I don't think I've had any issues with the bits in my skeletool during the 7 plus years I've had it..
Seriously right😂
I just got my charge plus tti about 2 months ago, I’ll keep my charge for edc and I was between the arc and surge for work, I’m still leaning definitely more towards the Surge now
I have the Surge. It is VERY, VERY heavy tool. The Surge with bits and with ratchet driver weights 580 grams. Surge alone weight 380 grams.
I purchased it for my hiking trips, but it weights so much- I prefer to hike with my Victorinox Handyman.
The best side of Surge- it has changeable saws and the bit driver.
On one hand, the ARC has continued to trend of Leatherman annoying me.
Throwing a bunch of collector's items at us for a year and then finally giving us a new tool, that includes everything the FREE series should have but put at an absurd price point due to blade steel.
On the other hand, it has got me to revisit my FREE P2 and I've grown to appreciate it more despite it's issues.
I'm saving my money for a GOAT.
I've been split between splurging on an Arc (I love the magnetic, one-handed everything) and a GOAT (I love the customizability)
You're better off with a Sheep 👌
"I'm saving my money for a GOAT."
Ah, yes, the Victorinox Swiss Tool X.
Man, the full 1/4” bit driver is what I want!
Wow. I’d really love those full sized bits
Thank you very much
Hey leatherman. Do what’s right
awsome video brother keep on keepin on ill see you in the next video
What matters more is its functionality when required. It's not compromise mate, it's an improvement. The reason Leatherman left out the two most useful bit is just sales & marketing. The Arc is quite expensive and to get one into Australia will be a fortune due to tax & exchange. FYI we've made mods to our generics that it would be able to utilise different/multiple bits from almost all makers. Who needs warranty when we have MaxLvlEDC to show us what to do to make our tools much more useful. Cheers maestro from Australia.
I really want the ARC, but I have to save up for it. Medical bills wiped out my savings. Thyroid issues costs alot. I am hoping that by the time I can afford it, they either do something like this or at least include the T6/T8 bit. I don't feel like I am totally missing out, because thanks to you, I have the Orange G10 Charge. That blade is still close to as sharp as it was out of the box. My Knifeless Rebar has a Awl, so if I think I will need it or go or work in a knife sensitive building, I bring that. I definitely still want the Arc, but just like my Multiforce, Charge, Rebar, and Powerpint, I would just use the wiha double sided bits and just like my Charge, I would have to use the extention. I would definitely consider this upgrade. It's awesome how it can use both 4mm and 1/4 bits.
Leatherman is creating the luxury multitool brand with the arc. In the pocketknife world, $230 is not that expensive really. Especially considering magnacut. Add the excellent toolset and I think this is the perfect pocket knife/multitool bridge.
Couldn’t agree more. For all the tools you get WITH a magnacut blade it’s not bad at all
First off, as always, thank you for your enlightening videos!
Secondly, while I like the idea of a magnacut blade, I personally can not justify the price to myself. If I were to spent the money for Magnacut, it would have to be for a primary carry blade be it a folder or fixed blade. I also can't get behind any tool that only uses Proprietary bits. I hate that about the SAK Cybertool series as well all be it easier to glue a 4mm magnet into the socket in order to use standard bits rather than pay $20 a bit due to shipping.
The only Leatherman(s) I have are the PS4 and ES4 (I was formerly in IT), I also purchased a PS4 for an EDC kit I made for my Mother-n-law because she is a seamstress (even though she's an Electrical Engineer) and the scissors are very good for nipping threads, the plyers for pulling stubborn needles, and the flat/2D Philips heads for making adjustments on sewing machines.
But to each n their own, since I'm medically retired, I don't really have the need for one and can not call it a write off on taxes so the price is outrageous for Me and if I was going to spend that kinda cash it would probably be for a Victorinox.
((If they would bring back an updated Juice line, I'd consider getting another Leatherman, as I'm not paying secondary market prices))
1/4” driver and 4mm driver is awesome… great upgrade.
I saw images of a brand new broken pliers on a Leatherman Surge on Amazon and what's become very clear is Leatherman's of today are not even remotely close to the quality of Leatherman's of the past .
Did not know that the bit driver mod was a thing. I like it. I don't even have a tool I want to put it in yet, but I went ahead and ordered one. The shipping time is not looking quick, so I'll have time to decide if I want to pick up an Arc or put in something else.
Nice. Not for the steep price and loss of the warranty though. I think I'll stick with my Surge (or even my Wave+ for a lighter carry) and save the money to put toward a folding knife with a Magnacut blade. I was excited for something new, but the more I see about the Arc the more disappointed I become.
While I do love the idea of using standard 1/4" bits in theory, I'm not sure if it's actually better in practice. You lose another tool, and it's not a useless one - that flat driver is the prying tool as well, something you really shouldn't do with a bit driver. Plus, the way the Leatherman bit driver handles bit retention is (albeit only slightly) better than what these aftermarket parts offer. The 4mm bit holder is also really neat, but even a 4mm bit is wider than a Leatherman bit, so they would be hard pressed to include such a tool without taking up more space, compromising on strength, or creating proprietary precision bits that are as thin as their larger bits. And in the end, you still need to carry extra bits for it to even matter. The Leatherman bits are double sided, so in many cases it's just two tools in one, but you still have the pry tool. With the aftermarket, you can still have that two in one, but you lost the pry tool...
I really don't think they are just trying to sell proprietary bits. I think most Wave owners probably don't buy a bit kit to start with, and probably only ever consider buying a replacement of the standard one it comes with if they break it. The Leatherman design allows them to fit more into one tool, while still giving you a two-in one with the option of swapping to other bit types, and the ability to replace broken bits. It isn't universal, but I think that it does what most users really need without wasting space.
That's not to say that there aren't downsides to the way Leatherman does it, and they could certainly charge less for the replacements. And it isn't to say that this sort of upgrade doesn't make sense for some users, but I don't think I would agree that the standard bit driver is a "big issue" or that this is a "perfect fix" for it. I think there are much more frustrating issues that are much harder to solve with this and other Leatherman tools (not to mention other stuff that the company does).
That little modification would be a HUGE sell point for me. In fact I probably wouldn't even think about the price if that was an option.
I’ve wanted a p4 with bit driver for a while… considering that it cost me $160 with a student discount I got it seems reasonable
I think my perfect tool, would be a Garage #005 and Arc combo. Swap all the Arc tool except the pry tool into the #005 handles, keeping the package opener/pry combo and the spring loaded pliers in the white grips, but with the black Arc blade, Arc awl, the slightly longer Arc file, and the slightly more refined designs of the bit drivers they put on the Arc. I think the saws are actually identical, and so are the scissors.
Great video! I like the 1/4" + 4mm bit holder you installed replacing the proprietary Letherman bit holder. Are you aware of a replacement that would work with the Surge? Thanks!
The bit holder is one useless placeholder, IMO.
Get the bit extender and just use regular bits, that’s what I do, best option is obviously replace the bit holder like you say.
Nice mod Dom, a lot will be interested in this 👍
I had no idea they omitted the T6/T8 from the kit and that is why it was missing! Why do you think they did that??
I bought an arc
I have a wave and the GOAT TOOL and just really wanted this for the magnacut blade
I own the bit kit but have never used it. Sad to hear about how soft the metal is
Thanks for the info I may do the mod eventually
I think the Arc is the leatherman I want to buy.
With the bit kit, it allows for the use of bits in a pinch, I don't need tools for the most part for my job, but having an emergency tool just makes sense.
Technically, I should either go for the wave or surge, but I really like the idea of fast plier access, and a blade I don't really have to sharpen (not a skill I have.)
you will eventually need to sharpen the blade, nothing is immune from that... its a skill ultimately you'll need unless you want disposable $230 tools.
Thanks and love your videos!💪🏻💪🏻
I don't see the "bit driver" at the ebay link provided for same--instead, it lists "Scalpel Blade Bit Holders Saw T-Shank for the Leatherman Free P2 P4 Series." If the original link is outdated, can you please supply an updated one? If you sell the bit driver through your affiliated links, I'll gladly buy one from there/you. Thanks--and great video!
Leatherman put the scissors on the outside, and got it made enough in the USA to say it on the product. Comparing the cost to the wave and charge, while keeping in mind other costs that have gone up, the ark really is not that much. My problem is my pay not keeping pace. With all that I plan to get the leatherman ark, it might be next year and use the rei %20 off coupon.
I think it would have been a good idea to have something like that on the arc. Would have made it more versatile than their bits. And from my experience using them they are not that great and have damaged several of them because they couldn't handle the work. Looks easy enough to install though.
If they added that i would buy one tomorrow. That is a great idea for them to start using that.
Love the content especially the modding aspect! I've just ordered an Arc today along with the bitdriver mod and some anodised thumb grips for the file and saw😁 would love to see any other mods you do for the Arc or other Leatherman multitool👍 keep up the good work
Ironically you could've saved more money if you just bought the magnacut blade then swaped the pre existing blade from a free P2.
Thank you that was super helpful and maybe I'll just go ahead and buy the charge that titanium with the s 30 blade steel in it😊
Be nice if they had a custom platform where you could order the tool with the tools you want built by them and still under warranty
Great business opportunity
I was dead set on buying it at launch but I woke up on the 17th with a changed mind. Gonna wait it out.
Looking to get this. Never thought about particulates in the magnet. Are these easy to clean and remove those participates?
Now i gotta do all that with mine now.
Thanks for the video.
Please make a comparison between the Victorinox Spirit Mx Clip and the Leatherman Arc.
The only thing that pulls me back from leatherman is that I live in a city near the sea and its tools rust a little faster.
Thank you and have a good day
Nice mod for sure. Quite useful and solves some issues.
Thanks for the tip on how you can by the second half of the bit kit. It was the big turnoff for this.
I would definitely take that over the Leatherman bit kit and can opener.
Ok, you convinced me. I'm doing this.
I've seen the cutters fail multiple times on cutting coat hanger type or softer wire. There's a flaw in the cutters. They chip when used to cut harder things towards the bottom.
Would love to know where I can find the link to purchase that adapter piece that is exactly what I've been looking for
That bit driver is one of the best most useful tools ever on any multitool! 🛠️ I wonder if Leatherman has that same bir driver for the Surge and Wave? That would really increase the versatility of a lot tasks at work and home.
they do indeed.
No, the bit drivee is a placeholder for suckers. The bits fall out, but it's just a bad design. All of Leatherman's bit drivers are bad design. It really is too bad that Leatherman chose such a poor tool set. Shame in them, but let's see hom many suckers fall for it.
The bits have not fallen out of either my wave+ or the Surge.
@@HughPecon You have to use the tool. Even so, they are inferior bits. Too small, too soft, to useless.
The off-center design is bad. Some tools are usable, but the bit drivers are not.
I have no interest in the Arc but that is a great mod. On a side note, I saw an Ebay seller offering a la carte Leatherman replacement bits, the T6/T8 was offered for $22 plus $7 shipping, basically the cost of buying a whole new bit kit 😆
Epic setup love it🦾🔥🔥🔥..there are endless possibilities with leatherman multitools I just learned of a one where you can create a sheath on the belt clip using electricians shrink wrap..holstering something slimline which is the same size as the belt clip..👍🏻🔥🔥
Nice work! I like it.
This might be a basic question-why do so many multitool manufacturers include a bottle opener and/or can opener on almost every make/model/unit/tool? Wouldn’t it be better to have the tools most people would actually use the most or need? Instead of a can opener or bottle opener, they could redesign the multitool with a much more useful pry bar, knife/blade, possibly include a razor knife, pliers, wire stripper, cutters, a well designed bit holder that can use a huge range of the most popular bits that most tradesmen etc use, of course all the tolls would need to have a lock, and make the tool capable of customization while being covered by a decent warranty? It doesn’t make sense but it seems to me they can make a good tool without the mostly unused can opener and bottle opener.
I like the mod. Where did you get the 1/4inch bit and 4mm bit holder from?
Nice work👍
YES! That mod is a must have. Bottle openers and can openers make no sense on multitools, full sized bit drivers are way way better.
I have the Klein mini ratchet. Highly recommended
can you provide a link or the exact description of the tools that you used to take apart your Leatherman? I have been trying to find the ratchet driver handle whatever you might wanna call it and I can’t figure it out. I guess I’m a little slow, but I’ve searched everything I can think of and haven’t found it yetsure appreciate it. Thank you so much. I also love your videos.
I've been using the wave since before it picked up the + and have never seen a reason to upgrade it. I see a multi tool as kind of a jack of all trades master of non option. When I need better more specialized tools for something, I have those, know what I mean?
Hi, full size bit holder is the best mod ever IMO. Please could you say something more about quality of this piece? They say on the website is made of 420C steel, is it feel solid/strong enough since it looks very thin on the sides?
that bit system is awesome. is it available for a charge tti? i need that in my life.
Just carry the bit extender. I like LM solution much better, their bits are optimized for portability and it is compatible with the full 1/4 bits. The other way around does not work.
Good point
I would have to agree the special propriety bit kit is not the way they should continue to go. I got another brand for my working tool because of the full sized bit driver. Good for you
Is this bit holder available for the Surge? I have been toying with doing this mod for a while but the 4mm option will really seal the deal
I never got any of the free series tools, but with all my multitools, except for my PowerPint, I use them alot in a L shape to get more torque on a screw. I haven't seen anyone doing that with a free series tools, but I have seen many people use other multitools in a L shape. Can this frame not handle that stress? I am not talking lagbolt stress, but sometimes I have to sink a 2-6 inch regular wood screw into a deck or like the other day I had to fix my step and I used my Rebar. Thanks for answering this question because it just occurred to me that this might be a reason why I don't get a free series tool.
Mine came with a T6 bit - also came with a T10 bit - these are required for my kit because they are needed to service my Benchmade folders.
Im fortunate enough as a "knife guy" that I already have some wiha bit drivers and kits with t6 t8 ect. As someone else said in the coments its not as if you can use the leatherman tool to disassemble itself and it itself is not the best bit driver for things like pocket knife disassembly anyways. Still i agree its weird it isnt there.
Hmm, that modification on my Surge will be sick. You know if a bit driver version exists for Surge? Thanks!
I love magnacut, but it needs to be great treated correctly. I've been looking at this and we'll it works with one hand. My left arm is paralyzed and I just started living full time in my van... down by the river! So, currently I need a good, one handed multi-tool. Like you in pretty disappointed that the blade is coated. I imagine it's coated for a specific reason and I wouldn't be surprised to find out it's because there are some problems with the magnacut