Leatherman Arc worth $230 ?? (One big issue, one perfect fix)

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  • @OlegBurdaev
    @OlegBurdaev ปีที่แล้ว +44

    According to the product page (I'm still waiting mind to be sent while ordered just in the morning on 17th !!!) the included bit kit is weird mix - only metric Hexes and two square Robertson (one of which looks unique). The latter I suppose widely used only in the US and Canada. As the bit set does not differ across the ocean, that looks like "here is the bit kit for free tha half of which you won't ever use" ;)))
    ARC:
    #1 Torx #10 & #15,
    #1 1 Torx #20 & #25
    #1 Pozi #2 & #1
    #2 Hex 1.5mm & 2mm
    #2 Hex 2.5mm & 3mm
    #2 Hex 4mm & 5mm
    #1 Screwdriver 3/32" & 1/8"
    #1 Robertson #1 & 2
    NONE Robertson #2 & 3
    #1
    + Square Drive #1 & #2
    + Torx #10 & #15
    + Torx #20 & #25
    Torx #27 & #30
    Eyeglass Screwdriver
    + Pozi #2 & #1
    Phillips #1 & #2
    Phillips #0 & #3
    + Screwdriver 3/32" & 1/8"
    Screwdriver 5/32" & 3/16"
    Screwdriver 7/32" & 1/4"
    #2
    Torx #6 & #8
    + Hex 1.5mm & 2mm
    + Hex 2.5mm & 3mm
    + Hex 4mm & 5mm
    Hex 6mm & 1/4"
    Hex 7/32" & 3/16"
    Hex 5/32 & 9/64"
    Hex 1/8" & 7/64"
    Hex 3/32" & 5/64"
    Hex 1/16" & .050"

    • @maxlvledc
      @maxlvledc  ปีที่แล้ว +9

      this info is amazing! pinning it!

    • @Durwood71
      @Durwood71 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The metric hexes will appeal to bicyclists since modern bikes use metric hex bolts almost exclusively.

    • @Thunder8Buddies
      @Thunder8Buddies 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I like your idea with it. Way better use. There always put some unnecessary tool on them.

    • @westie4ageturbo.749
      @westie4ageturbo.749 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Its 499 in Australia……. Daammmit

  • @ZapWizard
    @ZapWizard ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Hey, thanks for mentioning my holsters. The Garage 005 holster does fit the ARC, but I still will be making a perfect fit version just for the ARC. Even though it isn't mine, even I am tempted by that bit holder. Too bad I don't have easy access to low-cost machining like they do overseas.

    • @deardenkylewoodruff5826
      @deardenkylewoodruff5826 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      If you made something like this it will sell out in a heartbeat, even at a higher price

    • @tonysimek
      @tonysimek วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ZapWizard I just got an ARC. I know I am late. Did you make a perfect fit holster for it?

  • @zachatmultipartsstore
    @zachatmultipartsstore ปีที่แล้ว +239

    Leatherman must really be terrified of people modifying their tools. I can’t believe they’d go so far as to leave out the T8 from the set.

    • @edwardfletcher7790
      @edwardfletcher7790 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Yeah, it really says it all eh ? 😩

    • @HoodieHan
      @HoodieHan ปีที่แล้ว +47

      What’s hilarious is most of the engineers that participated in the Reddit AMA carry modified tools.

    • @GeertSawek
      @GeertSawek ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Well they stopped designing using security torx at least.

    • @davidrushing2507
      @davidrushing2507 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      I'm a little confused as to what you're saying. it's not as if someone could take apart there Leatherman tool with the the tool itself. People can easily get the bit they need to disassemble the Leatherman tool, Leatherman knows this. If that's why they left that bit out it's really stupid.

    • @Locoedc909
      @Locoedc909 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ​@@davidrushing2507that is not the bit you need to take it apart! It uses a t9 technically you can use a t8 but you will end up stripping I know that from experience I ended up using a t8 and eventually got stripped

  • @Ericles2
    @Ericles2 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    In the Leatherman Q&A on reddit, one of the designers said they didn't put a hole in the awl because they view the implement as a pry/scrape/poke tool and the hole would decrease the overall strength.

    • @kevola5739
      @kevola5739 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      I think that if I was going to do a repair on leather or canvas I would wait until I could do a proper repair rather than a patch job since these types of materials are usually found on more expensive gear. Nylon, ripstop, or other fabric would not fair well with such a large puncture to do a in a field repair. Dave Canterbury recommends taping a heavy sewing needle to the back of your knife sheath for repairs which could easily be adapted for todays needs.

    • @ruiz1871
      @ruiz1871 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      If someone made an proper awl needle that fits into the eyeglass bit holder, that would be pretty cool.

    • @maxlvledc
      @maxlvledc  ปีที่แล้ว +7

      agreed, and D.C. actually uses the hell out of his gear.

    • @trevorhoover1934
      @trevorhoover1934 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I can say I’ve never needed the hole in the awl to use for sewing, but I have broken my awl right at the hole using it as a reamer. In my opinion the hole just makes the tool weak and serves no purpose. So I agree with the designer.

    • @unitedstatesirie7431
      @unitedstatesirie7431 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​​@@maxlvledc why would the Leatherman driver bits wear out? Leatherman claims their driver bits are "hardened steel."

  • @DoctorJones841
    @DoctorJones841 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Adding this bit driver does not void the entire warranty. The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act explicitly states that no warrantor of a consumer product may condition the warranty on using any specific brand's parts. They would need to prove that your new part directly caused the failure to deny your claim. Warranties are one of the few areas where the USA actually has consumer protection.

    • @stevemuzak8526
      @stevemuzak8526 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      There is no way to prove that you modded that tool. Just put back original parts before shipping and don't tell them anything.

    • @privacymonkey5515
      @privacymonkey5515 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ⁠@@stevemuzak8526I was thinking the same thing. How would they know?

  • @jasonjohnson6344
    @jasonjohnson6344 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    I definitely like the mod you did here. I wish Leatherman would offer that mod on their other models. I’m not a guy who’d pay the $230 plus for the Ark just because of a better blade steel. My Leatherman blade is a backup for my pocket knife anyway and that’s where I invest in a quality blade steel. To be able to use three different styles of drivers with that modification is sweet.

    • @bengormont536
      @bengormont536 ปีที่แล้ว

      The only reason I was ever Intrested in the ark is for one it looks nicer then the free series and two is the thumb stud on the cutting blade. I was definitely a little disappointing in the price of the ark at first but hey I’ve carried a free p4 for quite awhile now and I’m very impressed other the it’s alittle bit tricky the access the blade in less than perfect conditions

    • @stemill1569
      @stemill1569 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      🤣especially as you have life time warranty. So if you really need it you can send it in when the "cheaper" steel gets damaged.
      With all one can criticize about Leatherman. Here they are really good at.

  • @Sonnacs
    @Sonnacs ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I just recently bought a new leatherman and I was torn from the surge or the arc. I decided to go with the surge just because I feel value for what you get is better then the arc. Plus being able to remove the file/saw and either get aftermarket bosh ones or just oem replacements is great, add the benefit of using the diamond file to sharpen the blade on the surge in a pinch is great as well.

  • @markgarrett2971
    @markgarrett2971 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Really appreciate your video! I have the skeletool and missing scissors and need better bits. After a summer of use, I'm now 100% attached to edc of a multi tool.
    This mod now sold me on the ARC. Thanks!

  • @gecensureerd
    @gecensureerd 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I'm a mechatronics technician, and this Leatherman Arc multi-tool is literally what I need. I'm from Europe, and despite the high price of €300+, I definitely find it worth the effort.

    • @2018NukNuk
      @2018NukNuk 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Come on, you can buy a toolset for that price!

  • @HughPecon
    @HughPecon ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I kinda like the Leatherman bit kit system better. Just for its carry ability. I can carry the tool and the full bit kit in the sheath plus the bit extender in those stretchy pockets on the outside. Absolutely perfect for edc.

    • @edwardfletcher7790
      @edwardfletcher7790 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It's great, if you love crazy expensive bits made from play dough metal...

    • @googleuser6635
      @googleuser6635 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Leatherman bits are almost useless. Why they choose to use those bits beats me. Putting that bit proprietary driver on the Arc is a step backward. The bits keep falling out. The Arc is a terrible tool selection. No serrated blade? Pass. Lousy scissors? Pass. Useless bit driver taking up space? Pass. Lousy/no package opener? Pass. The Arc has a magnacut blade. Wooooo. Yeah, no. It's a toy for people who don't do.

    • @HughPecon
      @HughPecon ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@edwardfletcher7790 I do

    • @HughPecon
      @HughPecon ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@googleuser6635 nope

    • @googleuser6635
      @googleuser6635 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HughPecon Figures.

  • @jeremiahbrady5296
    @jeremiahbrady5296 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    I feel like this issue wouldn't be one if they sold each bit individually, I'd pay $5 per bit if they'd sell the t6/t8 bits separately 😪

  • @johnfiggy
    @johnfiggy ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It would be really nice if they had a "build your own tool" type of program so you can make a tool with the bit driver you installed, theres a handful of tools included on this that I have no use for and it would be nice to swap them out

  • @PatrickSmeaton
    @PatrickSmeaton 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm one of those guys you spoke of. I've carried a Benchmade 940 DCF since 2003. The Leatherman Arc has replaced it, and nothing else has even come close to doing so.

  • @larryvincent1083
    @larryvincent1083 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you for this video, as well as the others you produce. I always look forward to seeing what you’re introducing next. As far as the Arc is concerned, Leatherman has priced itself out of my market. I bought a Wave+ earlier this year and added the bit kit & an bit extension. I was $150+ into a Leatherman EDC kit at that point. I won’t spend the extra for the Arc, especially since I bought the ByBury clone of the Surge, which is a really great tool. Unexpectedly, I bought the Gerber Dual Force (I think you informed us of the sale), and I use it more than any multitool I own. The chisel and pliers are fantastic. Thanks, again for your service.

    • @TurinAlexander
      @TurinAlexander ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've got a Dual Force in my collection. Great tool. The slip joint on the pivot is such a nice feature. More multi-tools could use it.

  • @clodvonclout
    @clodvonclout ปีที่แล้ว +5

    If they made that bit holder slightly longer to allow more reach for regular 4mm bits. Then it would have been perfect.
    I love your channel, thank you for sharing all the mod videos. I really enjoyed watching them, and I learned a lot of new potentials to make my multitool better.

  • @JohnP.6775
    @JohnP.6775 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Love the idea of modifying it but I’m gonna keep mine how it is, the flat ones are more portable if I need anything more robust chances are I have my tools anyways

    • @jasonswitzer1748
      @jasonswitzer1748 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not trying to change your mind, but nothing would prevent you front still carrying the Leatherman bits and using them with the Mod shown in the video. It just provides additional options if you want to use other bits. That said, voiding the warranty could be a bummer if you’re hard on your tool.

    • @larrya197140
      @larrya197140 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Leatherman oht is back in stock!

  • @HughPecon
    @HughPecon ปีที่แล้ว +6

    My King Surge will remain my go to multi tool for work. I will replace the Wave+ with the ARC for my edc.

    • @AB-ol8qy
      @AB-ol8qy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Surge can't be used for EDC?

  • @dalecarr5445
    @dalecarr5445 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I actually like the flat bits because they take up less space. I usually carry a bit elder anyway so I can use 1/4” bits with that. I heard that the reason the bit kits were out of stock was because they needed to use another supplier and the new supplier increased the hardness of the bits. I’m not sure that true though it would be interesting to test that comment.

  • @Bob-TheTechGuy
    @Bob-TheTechGuy ปีที่แล้ว

    Just got my Arc today. Replacing my Surge as my EDC since I really don't use it every day for hard work like the surge is really made for. Prefer the lighter weight and all tools on the outside. Love the channel! Thanks for all the great information!

  • @fmsracing442
    @fmsracing442 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    That is crappy of Leatherman to leave out one bit forcing you to buy a redundant bit kit to get all the bits. Leatherman doesn't even disclose this fact on their Arc web page.

  • @cranstonsnord4334
    @cranstonsnord4334 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I bought a Free P4 last year and that was pretty much the max I would spend on a multitool. This is just too expensive for me, and they do not even give you the full bit kit. Is the sheath leather? Maybe they should make a version with standard 420 steel. That would fine for my needs! I may scour Ebay later on for one!

  • @Burner-B
    @Burner-B ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The best thing there is your mod! (Really, where can I get one? You've mentioned this before I think)
    I seriously doubt knife lovers will generally consider the blade worth it
    For this price you can get wayyyyy better handling knives.
    For most knife people, ergonomics is a major factor. Which is why every one of them carries a multitool for anything but the blade, excepting as a backup option.
    For non-knife people, they will only carr for the steel if they are the type to buy into "x says this is the best".
    Leatherman is approaching Gerber levels of frustrating for me. But somehow from the exact opposite direction.
    Every Gerber tool has one or two good ideas but cheaps out so much on the rest the tool itself becomes pointless.
    Leatherman has one or two decent ideas snd continues to price themselves out of the user-consumer market straight into the lifestyle and collector segment.
    So nah, they don't pay for that Bruce Springsteen stamp. You do.

  • @OtherThanIntendedPurpose
    @OtherThanIntendedPurpose ปีที่แล้ว +16

    for years steel snobs have been crying that Leatherman does not have "premium" blade steels.... now Leatherman made one with an upgraded steel.. and the same people are crying about how much it costs. I like the tool set on this, and would like to at least try one, for a review. but I am happy with my 440 blades on my wave and surge.

  • @jerrbear1017
    @jerrbear1017 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I just got my charge plus tti about 2 months ago, I’ll keep my charge for edc and I was between the arc and surge for work, I’m still leaning definitely more towards the Surge now

    • @MSkachenite
      @MSkachenite ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I have the Surge. It is VERY, VERY heavy tool. The Surge with bits and with ratchet driver weights 580 grams. Surge alone weight 380 grams.
      I purchased it for my hiking trips, but it weights so much- I prefer to hike with my Victorinox Handyman.
      The best side of Surge- it has changeable saws and the bit driver.

  • @landscapingspecialist
    @landscapingspecialist ปีที่แล้ว

    Waiting for my ARC. Ordered one yesterday. Have been using a wave for probably 10 years. Then I got a Swisstool which I love. But I decided to pull the trigger for some magnacut and the free form factor I’ve been wanting to try. Love the content brother!!

  • @pzajkoh1487
    @pzajkoh1487 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Great video and modification. Thanks for the headsup about the missing bit. Im a little less excited because of that. Leatherman, have to find a way to mess something up!

  • @GearRelated
    @GearRelated ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Love your videos and how in depth you go with details and your thoughts! I bought the arc today for one because I’m a knife guy “to your point” and I’ve been using the Free P2 as my harder use EDC multitool and with the tool set on the Arc it looks like those will be solved for me! I plan on making a video on my perspective of why I bought it when it arrives!

    • @maxlvledc
      @maxlvledc  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      awesome, tag me when you do!

  • @Hexsyn
    @Hexsyn ปีที่แล้ว

    Got mine for Christmas and am super stoaked! Don't miss the lacking bit yet but will keep it in consideration. Have had a surge for the past 3 years but it is so heavy that it lives in my backpack that I bring to work every day (pharmacist). I am also a knife nerd who has carried his spydiechef every day while not working. Now that I have the arc, I have a consolidated edc. All that aside, I can't get on board with losing the can opener--I use one almost every week

  • @IlmarBeekman
    @IlmarBeekman ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Leatherman is creating the luxury multitool brand with the arc. In the pocketknife world, $230 is not that expensive really. Especially considering magnacut. Add the excellent toolset and I think this is the perfect pocket knife/multitool bridge.

    • @Yeti21173
      @Yeti21173 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Couldn’t agree more. For all the tools you get WITH a magnacut blade it’s not bad at all

  • @catalystactual6491
    @catalystactual6491 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    As a casual user I literally could not care less about the bits and I don't think I've had any issues with the bits in my skeletool during the 7 plus years I've had it..

    • @m1a242
      @m1a242 ปีที่แล้ว

      Seriously right😂

  • @Thomamps
    @Thomamps ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have bought the Arc in Australia for $500 and i didn't even think about the bit kit. I have my wave+ on a pocket clip as I choose it for casual carry, you mentioned this is a wave+ upgrade. I have the heavier tools with a packed stealth as my EDC.

  • @snosov
    @snosov ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Love Leatherman-bit concept, however hate how soft they are and how fast they wear down. Wish some company produce that bits with different technology so they would last.

  • @adjutant
    @adjutant 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    full-size 1/4" hex drive is absolutely amazing. for most people, the can opener is the one tool they don't use. truly the perfect mod.

  • @riolopez4079
    @riolopez4079 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    And ruler, and the ruler. I will be etching my own in to the Arc

  • @MarkPdot
    @MarkPdot 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    $230 & no serrated knife blade is ludicrous to me. Just got a Wave+ & I paid $120 & the complete bit kits for $30 from my local Sportsmans. I know it's the better deal for me as I still have my original Wave, 20+ years old, in my truck and it gets used almost daily. The new Wave+, my now EDC, is already seeing ample useage and so far I'm very happy with it.
    Great video, thanks.

  • @wcmacster
    @wcmacster 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    "It Matters More That I Have The Right Toolset!" 1000%

  • @wojciechsura
    @wojciechsura หลายเดือนก่อน

    Already having a Surge, I didn't even consider the Arc. However I have noticed that the tool I use most are actually the scissors and those in Surge are absolutely the best among all tools I've used (that's also why I think that Surge outshines Wave).

  • @mjalghum
    @mjalghum ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I agree with you 100% about getting whatever works for you in this tool. I still think the ARC is excessively overpriced for the features it is offering

    • @etherealicer
      @etherealicer ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think the price is ok. Multitools in general are rather fair priced compared to folding knives. Not my cup of tea though, as I carry a knife + MT, I would be more interested in a bladeless Free P4.

    • @AB-ol8qy
      @AB-ol8qy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Agree, it should be $189 at the absolute maximum.

  • @CloudsOnTheSun
    @CloudsOnTheSun ปีที่แล้ว

    Great explanation, plus the after market replacement driver on the ARC was stellar.
    Surge or Wave + will be my go-to.

  • @imgadgetmanjim
    @imgadgetmanjim ปีที่แล้ว

    I edc a Swisstool Spirit with ratchet and 4mm adapter. I did buy Arc today because I will carry it with Swiss ratchet because Leatherman one is way too expensive in secondary market. Very well done and thought out video.

  • @Luk_at_me
    @Luk_at_me ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great job, man! I must say that Arc looks interesting.. BUT.. In Sweden it costs 3999 kr = 330 € for this money you can buy Surge/Charge/Wave or Free and for example Deka in Magnacut (if it is important to have a magnacut blade) and a few beers or some accessories. I plan on hunting for good sales and maybe then...

  • @js8828
    @js8828 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    i wish they could have the T shank from the surge i like having a few back up files laying around so i dont need to send in the tool for a new file everytime i wear it out

  • @Quizerno
    @Quizerno ปีที่แล้ว +9

    On one hand, the ARC has continued to trend of Leatherman annoying me.
    Throwing a bunch of collector's items at us for a year and then finally giving us a new tool, that includes everything the FREE series should have but put at an absurd price point due to blade steel.
    On the other hand, it has got me to revisit my FREE P2 and I've grown to appreciate it more despite it's issues.
    I'm saving my money for a GOAT.

    • @EternalAmmonite
      @EternalAmmonite ปีที่แล้ว

      I've been split between splurging on an Arc (I love the magnetic, one-handed everything) and a GOAT (I love the customizability)

    • @onemanhisdub1969
      @onemanhisdub1969 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're better off with a Sheep 👌

    • @Durwood71
      @Durwood71 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      "I'm saving my money for a GOAT."
      Ah, yes, the Victorinox Swiss Tool X.

  • @unfi6798
    @unfi6798 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What matters more is its functionality when required. It's not compromise mate, it's an improvement. The reason Leatherman left out the two most useful bit is just sales & marketing. The Arc is quite expensive and to get one into Australia will be a fortune due to tax & exchange. FYI we've made mods to our generics that it would be able to utilise different/multiple bits from almost all makers. Who needs warranty when we have MaxLvlEDC to show us what to do to make our tools much more useful. Cheers maestro from Australia.

  • @VaampiroEDC
    @VaampiroEDC ปีที่แล้ว

    WOW!! Beautiful, the one with runes is amazing!!

  • @1TruePatriot
    @1TruePatriot ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I don't see the "bit driver" at the ebay link provided for same--instead, it lists "Scalpel Blade Bit Holders Saw T-Shank for the Leatherman Free P2 P4 Series." If the original link is outdated, can you please supply an updated one? If you sell the bit driver through your affiliated links, I'll gladly buy one from there/you. Thanks--and great video!

    • @1spesic
      @1spesic 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Which bit driver is correct for the Free P4?
      There are three versions for 4mm

  • @Lord_zeel
    @Lord_zeel ปีที่แล้ว +1

    While I do love the idea of using standard 1/4" bits in theory, I'm not sure if it's actually better in practice. You lose another tool, and it's not a useless one - that flat driver is the prying tool as well, something you really shouldn't do with a bit driver. Plus, the way the Leatherman bit driver handles bit retention is (albeit only slightly) better than what these aftermarket parts offer. The 4mm bit holder is also really neat, but even a 4mm bit is wider than a Leatherman bit, so they would be hard pressed to include such a tool without taking up more space, compromising on strength, or creating proprietary precision bits that are as thin as their larger bits. And in the end, you still need to carry extra bits for it to even matter. The Leatherman bits are double sided, so in many cases it's just two tools in one, but you still have the pry tool. With the aftermarket, you can still have that two in one, but you lost the pry tool...
    I really don't think they are just trying to sell proprietary bits. I think most Wave owners probably don't buy a bit kit to start with, and probably only ever consider buying a replacement of the standard one it comes with if they break it. The Leatherman design allows them to fit more into one tool, while still giving you a two-in one with the option of swapping to other bit types, and the ability to replace broken bits. It isn't universal, but I think that it does what most users really need without wasting space.
    That's not to say that there aren't downsides to the way Leatherman does it, and they could certainly charge less for the replacements. And it isn't to say that this sort of upgrade doesn't make sense for some users, but I don't think I would agree that the standard bit driver is a "big issue" or that this is a "perfect fix" for it. I think there are much more frustrating issues that are much harder to solve with this and other Leatherman tools (not to mention other stuff that the company does).

  • @ernestrhee777
    @ernestrhee777 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have been eyeing the Surge. I really like the features of the Surge. Then, the Arc came out. Made in USA. Awesome. Your showing us, the viewers, this new product, the Arc, with owner's insights allows me to believe that there was not much courtesy to future potential buyers, omitting that one bit that normally comes with the Leatherman bits. Especially with the much higher price tag. Full disclosure report is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

  • @ThePhillip9000
    @ThePhillip9000 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow. I’d really love those full sized bits
    Thank you very much
    Hey leatherman. Do what’s right

  • @wcmacster
    @wcmacster 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I love Leahterman but they should be looking at this mod 100%. this type of extra accessory should be standard for all heavy duty Leatherman tools. I mean isn't that what we want?!

  • @necatituran1775
    @necatituran1775 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Could you please link the manufacturer of that mod you put in? İm looking for something similar for my wave and this seems to be just the ticket.

  • @kich6172
    @kich6172 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Nice. Not for the steep price and loss of the warranty though. I think I'll stick with my Surge (or even my Wave+ for a lighter carry) and save the money to put toward a folding knife with a Magnacut blade. I was excited for something new, but the more I see about the Arc the more disappointed I become.

  • @Pepperdjt
    @Pepperdjt ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’ve wanted a p4 with bit driver for a while… considering that it cost me $160 with a student discount I got it seems reasonable

  • @toastofcinder3547
    @toastofcinder3547 ปีที่แล้ว

    Get the bit extender and just use regular bits, that’s what I do, best option is obviously replace the bit holder like you say.

  • @paul_miller43
    @paul_miller43 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I bought an arc
    I have a wave and the GOAT TOOL and just really wanted this for the magnacut blade
    I own the bit kit but have never used it. Sad to hear about how soft the metal is
    Thanks for the info I may do the mod eventually

  • @TurinAlexander
    @TurinAlexander ปีที่แล้ว

    Did not know that the bit driver mod was a thing. I like it. I don't even have a tool I want to put it in yet, but I went ahead and ordered one. The shipping time is not looking quick, so I'll have time to decide if I want to pick up an Arc or put in something else.

  • @edwardhance3894
    @edwardhance3894 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Leatherman put the scissors on the outside, and got it made enough in the USA to say it on the product. Comparing the cost to the wave and charge, while keeping in mind other costs that have gone up, the ark really is not that much. My problem is my pay not keeping pace. With all that I plan to get the leatherman ark, it might be next year and use the rei %20 off coupon.

  • @my_everyday_carry
    @my_everyday_carry ปีที่แล้ว

    Man, the full 1/4” bit driver is what I want!

  • @DonHawkinsPhoto
    @DonHawkinsPhoto 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Do you think it’s a good idea to put locktite on the screws when you put it back together?
    Great video!

  • @diegolainfiesta
    @diegolainfiesta ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Just carry the bit extender. I like LM solution much better, their bits are optimized for portability and it is compatible with the full 1/4 bits. The other way around does not work.

    • @MrASM78
      @MrASM78 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Good point

  • @Pzykoh_Tey
    @Pzykoh_Tey ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Such a great modification. Awesome tip.

  • @drjoeshmoe
    @drjoeshmoe ปีที่แล้ว

    I was on the fence due to the price. Ive had a wave plus for over a year.
    I think the resell on it, being lightly used would be around $80.
    Then.... I saw they offer an educator 30% off discount. My wife is a teacher!
    Pulled the trigger.

  • @coastaltransplant
    @coastaltransplant 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You wouldn’t happen to have a part number for the pice you put in would you? I just ordered on and that bit would be the perfect addition to the tool!

  • @Lord_zeel
    @Lord_zeel ปีที่แล้ว

    I think my perfect tool, would be a Garage #005 and Arc combo. Swap all the Arc tool except the pry tool into the #005 handles, keeping the package opener/pry combo and the spring loaded pliers in the white grips, but with the black Arc blade, Arc awl, the slightly longer Arc file, and the slightly more refined designs of the bit drivers they put on the Arc. I think the saws are actually identical, and so are the scissors.

  • @SeanTenaglia
    @SeanTenaglia 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If they added that i would buy one tomorrow. That is a great idea for them to start using that.

  • @Scientist_Salarian
    @Scientist_Salarian หลายเดือนก่อน

    I really like my Arc, but I wish they had stamped a ruler on the frame like the Surge. That is such a useful day-to-day addition, and it would have been so easy to include. The Arc’s tool set is definitely superior, though, for my uses. And the Surge’s 420 steel blades are just not up to my standards. I’m not quite a knife snob, but I’d like something a little higher quality than simple 420. Every Leatherman tool has just a few things missing. They need to combine the best elements of 2 or 3 of their best tools and make one truly do-all model. But then you wouldn’t have to buy multiples to cover everything you actually want.

  • @ffbarnette
    @ffbarnette 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the tip on how you can by the second half of the bit kit. It was the big turnoff for this.

  • @michaelbradley7208
    @michaelbradley7208 ปีที่แล้ว

    1/4” driver and 4mm driver is awesome… great upgrade.

  • @chiphungerford
    @chiphungerford ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Be nice if they had a custom platform where you could order the tool with the tools you want built by them and still under warranty

  • @Nunya9876
    @Nunya9876 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This might be a basic question-why do so many multitool manufacturers include a bottle opener and/or can opener on almost every make/model/unit/tool? Wouldn’t it be better to have the tools most people would actually use the most or need? Instead of a can opener or bottle opener, they could redesign the multitool with a much more useful pry bar, knife/blade, possibly include a razor knife, pliers, wire stripper, cutters, a well designed bit holder that can use a huge range of the most popular bits that most tradesmen etc use, of course all the tolls would need to have a lock, and make the tool capable of customization while being covered by a decent warranty? It doesn’t make sense but it seems to me they can make a good tool without the mostly unused can opener and bottle opener.

  • @PokeNachos
    @PokeNachos ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Ironically you could've saved more money if you just bought the magnacut blade then swaped the pre existing blade from a free P2.

  • @MichaelR-kl6hk
    @MichaelR-kl6hk ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've been using the wave since before it picked up the + and have never seen a reason to upgrade it. I see a multi tool as kind of a jack of all trades master of non option. When I need better more specialized tools for something, I have those, know what I mean?

  • @MikeBaxterABC
    @MikeBaxterABC ปีที่แล้ว +2

    5:05 Seriously what is the big deal with the price? Any tool that will be used daily, AND lasts for 20 years?? is a bargain at under $400 ! ..
    Didn't like the spring pliers, HATE serrated blades (just keep the regular blade sharp) ... and HATE bottle openers you can open a bottle 1000 ways

  • @BrianRWelch
    @BrianRWelch ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video! I like the 1/4" + 4mm bit holder you installed replacing the proprietary Letherman bit holder. Are you aware of a replacement that would work with the Surge? Thanks!

    • @googleuser6635
      @googleuser6635 ปีที่แล้ว

      The bit holder is one useless placeholder, IMO.

  • @bigshow3038
    @bigshow3038 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That little modification would be a HUGE sell point for me. In fact I probably wouldn't even think about the price if that was an option.

  • @adamray731
    @adamray731 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wish this came with the attachment for the part that utilizes the jig saw blades instead of the fixed saw and I think this would be my perfect tool

  • @Spanky8402
    @Spanky8402 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really want the ARC, but I have to save up for it. Medical bills wiped out my savings. Thyroid issues costs alot. I am hoping that by the time I can afford it, they either do something like this or at least include the T6/T8 bit. I don't feel like I am totally missing out, because thanks to you, I have the Orange G10 Charge. That blade is still close to as sharp as it was out of the box. My Knifeless Rebar has a Awl, so if I think I will need it or go or work in a knife sensitive building, I bring that. I definitely still want the Arc, but just like my Multiforce, Charge, Rebar, and Powerpint, I would just use the wiha double sided bits and just like my Charge, I would have to use the extention. I would definitely consider this upgrade. It's awesome how it can use both 4mm and 1/4 bits.

  • @deykno87
    @deykno87 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Whats your take…swapping out the saw for the serrated blade? Thats a complaint I’ve seen a lot for surge/charge users

    • @maxlvledc
      @maxlvledc  ปีที่แล้ว

      I prefer this toolset personally. I don't need another blade.

  • @Stink777
    @Stink777 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was dead set on buying it at launch but I woke up on the 17th with a changed mind. Gonna wait it out.

  • @sumosacks9558
    @sumosacks9558 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My only criticism on the arc is the bit holder is tough to open up solo. I have to open the entire side to get the driver out. On the surge it has a finger notch so you can open up solo

  • @monkpato
    @monkpato ปีที่แล้ว

    I would definitely take that over the Leatherman bit kit and can opener.

  • @ap0lmc
    @ap0lmc 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The wire cutters on the pliers apparently sucks some people switch it out with a Polish replacement. I would like it better if it was half the weight. If it was mostly titanium it would become much lighter.

  • @thadius357
    @thadius357 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mine came with a T6 bit - also came with a T10 bit - these are required for my kit because they are needed to service my Benchmade folders.

  • @BlueGearReviews
    @BlueGearReviews ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I use the wave/charge can opener all the time. I do not like the can opener design on this Arc/P4 free series. Also, the wire stripper notch is to small on the Arc.

    • @patrickbledsoe2176
      @patrickbledsoe2176 ปีที่แล้ว

      I also use my can opener on my wave almost everyday, I havent had the opportunity to use this new design I've been wondering how it well it would work

    • @maxlvledc
      @maxlvledc  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      way way way worse imo. its a shitty can opener.

    • @BlueGearReviews
      @BlueGearReviews ปีที่แล้ว

      @@maxlvledc I had a feeling it wouldn't perform, as it is the same on the P4. As much as I like the Magnacut, right now- money wise, I will stick with my old reliable Charge TTi/Surge/Wave etc.

  • @JonGadget
    @JonGadget ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice mod Dom, a lot will be interested in this 👍

    • @maxlvledc
      @maxlvledc  ปีที่แล้ว

      I had no idea they omitted the T6/T8 from the kit and that is why it was missing! Why do you think they did that??

  • @franciscoaliaga5061
    @franciscoaliaga5061 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the video.
    Please make a comparison between the Victorinox Spirit Mx Clip and the Leatherman Arc.
    The only thing that pulls me back from leatherman is that I live in a city near the sea and its tools rust a little faster.
    Thank you and have a good day

  • @stevek4449
    @stevek4449 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Though made in China by a California company, it seems the modular simplicity of the Roxon Flex may have to be a route Leathermen and Gerber may have to seriously consider doing real soon.
    Thoughts?

  • @Better_Call_Bulba-Saur
    @Better_Call_Bulba-Saur 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    YES! That mod is a must have. Bottle openers and can openers make no sense on multitools, full sized bit drivers are way way better.

  • @fluffy0786
    @fluffy0786 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think it would have been a good idea to have something like that on the arc. Would have made it more versatile than their bits. And from my experience using them they are not that great and have damaged several of them because they couldn't handle the work. Looks easy enough to install though.

  • @myvids3115
    @myvids3115 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I‘m a knife guy and use several Leatherman tools. But the Magnacut blade does not justify the value for me. I live in Europe where knife laws are quite limiting for one hand opening tools. The mod is supercool.

  • @jj325j2
    @jj325j2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've seen the cutters fail multiple times on cutting coat hanger type or softer wire. There's a flaw in the cutters. They chip when used to cut harder things towards the bottom.

  • @bushtrash2286
    @bushtrash2286 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I got an arc today, the sheaf does not to appear oversized, maybe LM are getting better, who knows

  • @landscapingspecialist
    @landscapingspecialist ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have the Klein mini ratchet. Highly recommended

  • @DrBlazer50
    @DrBlazer50 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love magnacut, but it needs to be great treated correctly. I've been looking at this and we'll it works with one hand. My left arm is paralyzed and I just started living full time in my van... down by the river! So, currently I need a good, one handed multi-tool. Like you in pretty disappointed that the blade is coated. I imagine it's coated for a specific reason and I wouldn't be surprised to find out it's because there are some problems with the magnacut

  • @korgan7779
    @korgan7779 ปีที่แล้ว

    First off, as always, thank you for your enlightening videos!
    Secondly, while I like the idea of a magnacut blade, I personally can not justify the price to myself. If I were to spent the money for Magnacut, it would have to be for a primary carry blade be it a folder or fixed blade. I also can't get behind any tool that only uses Proprietary bits. I hate that about the SAK Cybertool series as well all be it easier to glue a 4mm magnet into the socket in order to use standard bits rather than pay $20 a bit due to shipping.
    The only Leatherman(s) I have are the PS4 and ES4 (I was formerly in IT), I also purchased a PS4 for an EDC kit I made for my Mother-n-law because she is a seamstress (even though she's an Electrical Engineer) and the scissors are very good for nipping threads, the plyers for pulling stubborn needles, and the flat/2D Philips heads for making adjustments on sewing machines.
    But to each n their own, since I'm medically retired, I don't really have the need for one and can not call it a write off on taxes so the price is outrageous for Me and if I was going to spend that kinda cash it would probably be for a Victorinox.
    ((If they would bring back an updated Juice line, I'd consider getting another Leatherman, as I'm not paying secondary market prices))

  • @The_sinner_Jim_Whitney
    @The_sinner_Jim_Whitney 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I got my Arc today, replacing a lost Free P4. Where could a fella find that 1/4” bit driver part? I don’t care about the warranty, I’ve never broken a Leatherman tool without REALLY abusing it, and I don’t warranty one when it’s my fault. That 1/4” bit driver truly would make this thing the perfect multi tool.

  • @cmfall1986
    @cmfall1986 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When you consider how long people keep and use these tools- even a full $100 price difference is insignificant. Everyone has their own budget and priorities. I consider $230 for a tool I will use daily for 10 years to be perfectly fair.

    • @marcchartrand4959
      @marcchartrand4959 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sure, but you can purchase a BiBury with the same functions for about $75.00 canadian and use it for 10 years as well. Then spend the difference on other tools. You have to be rich to purchase this and risk it being stolen of lost while working. It is $338 Cad. Nuts.

  • @ix8750
    @ix8750 ปีที่แล้ว

    Im fortunate enough as a "knife guy" that I already have some wiha bit drivers and kits with t6 t8 ect. As someone else said in the coments its not as if you can use the leatherman tool to disassemble itself and it itself is not the best bit driver for things like pocket knife disassembly anyways. Still i agree its weird it isnt there.

  • @robertsnider8031
    @robertsnider8031 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I was ready to buy the arc until they omitted the spring loaded pliers. With the cluster that was the 005 launch I twice had the payment processing only to have it bomb out and now the one thing I was waiting for I could only get by spending hundreds from one of the scalpers. The T6/T8 bit is just icing on the cake for my reasons to only touch leatherman through ebay auctions.

  • @toddnewsom8129
    @toddnewsom8129 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nope. Leave it as is. The Leatherman extension works well with regular bits. Especially since its loose and blocks the function of the pliers. That will get annoying really fast. The missig T6/T8 bit is bogus.