I loved that this was one of the few Trek battles that acknowledged 3D space and actually used tactics that employed moving over and under vessels, as well as positioning to take advantage of where shields are weakest.
i remember star trek used not have much combat mostly only exploring guess this episode was one of those rarest has space combat ididnt remember that shhip haseven any defence system
Star Trek the wrath of Kahn Kirk finally blasts Kahn in the Nebula after Spock Comments that Kahn does not think three dimensionally. He uses the Z axis to line up the kill shot.
I'm a Nova kinda guy personally, like the Defiant I like small and capable, this is way too ott for me, too good, too special, never the underdog, except here where it totally was the underdog and I'm talking pure holononsense...
I remember watching this with my Father in the cinema. We were the only 2 people in the entire screen and it was one of the 1 big screens in the cineplex. The guys in the cinema cranked the volume up and maxmised the canvas... probably one of the best cinema experiences ever
Great story. My father and I were the only audience when we watched The Final Frontier. No such luck for us though. I kinda enjoyed it, probably because I missed the "old friends". My father didn't like it.
Yah I had a similar experience with this mooovie... I was amazed, never understood the panning it got, especially because of Admiral Janeway who we expected to be a admiral anyway... A couple of ppl in the theatre snikkered when she was on.... The director was known as an editor on 007 mooovies, I htought he did swell. I was surprised Jon Frakes didnt direct though.
TBH I like the Valdore warbird model way better than the Scimitar. As a big Romulan fan this movie made me simultaneously very happy and very sad. As opposed to 2009 which just made me sad.
The Valdore class are underrated beauties. Sleek and predatory, they handle so much better than the classic D'derix cruisers, which still have their place.
@@Iscannon It used to be the Klingons, and then it was the Borg, they used them for all they could, and the Cardassians had been smashed to pieces post-Dominion war so that just left the Romulans...although I like how the Gorn are being more of a threat in SNW, but obviously that's decades in the past canonically compared to Nemesis/Picard era.
She was designed more for battle, since she was developed to fight the Borg. Although this space battle seems more like I'm watching fighters fly around instead of large, lumbering ships.
After seeing the first 3 episodes of Picard season 3 and their homage to the E-D I don’t think this ship gets enough love. It is one of my favourite looking ships despite only being in 3 films
To be fair, Enterprise has plot armor and Shinzon was trying to take Picard alive. NPC's dying to prove how powerful the bad guy is while not threatening the actual heroes is a classic trope. The Valdore class were a bit light on defenses in comparison to the Sovereign class, though - they were more aggressive ships, probably filling the role of interceptor, I would guess. Shinzon also may have had a better idea where to hit them since I assume his team had access to basically all Romulan ship building data while making his doom ship.
I remember going to see this on its release day in the UK along with some friends all in uniform, it was quite an experience as I remembered going to see First Contact at my local cinema 6 years earlier by myself due to none of my local friends being as much into Star Trek as I was at the time.
First Contact was the first Trek movie I saw in theatre. I wasn't even much into Trek before, a friend had selected the movie, so I didn't know the characters really well, nor did I know Picard's history with the Borg. Didn't matter, I was quite hooked.
That was the biggest weakness of the film. The Romulans just magically poop out a ship that is vastly larger, with far more firepower and shields, has a superweapon, a perfect battle cloak AND it's faster than the latest Enterprise? Cmon man.
@@Elthenar AND there is no sign of its class again. Knowing how xenophobic the Romulans are, they should have been pumping these out day and night. The would have been so useful during the evacuation of Romulan space because of the supernova.
Gawd, especially on the usual *shaky cam bridge explody* scenes the picture is so much clearer just from the extra frames. It adds a new dimension to the crispness.
Nemesis is such a criminally underrated movie. I absolutely loved it then and still do. Yeah I can definitely critique it scene by scene but I still love the movie. Certain parts were definitely stupid. Data flying across space and being so well placed to find a unlocked door on the Schimitar. Yeah I would be certain there is a way to destroy the ship without computer controlled self destruction. Like shoot the warp core? Throw a grenade at the core? Simply turn off or disconnect the magnetic containment field? Don't get me started on how easy it is to overthrow the Romulan Star Empire. Then the "clone" of Picard.... Just ugh but it was still a good movie!
Well the warp core went offline very early in the battle, so that was never an option. It's also why the Enterprise underperformed against the Scimitar.
@@rattlesnake270 THAT IS FCKN CRIMINAL. That uninspired director should remain forever shunned by the Trekkie community THAT HAVING BEEN SAID.. ya lol pretty cool movie 🖖
@@rattlesnake270 For not having watched Star Trek, the director freaking hit it out of the park if we're being honest. It's certainly better than ST Discovery and ST Picard...
I'm a fan of Picard taking an extreme tactical risk to literally ram the Scimitar, but did he notify the crew in the forward saucer section of his maneuver?
Well, the Enterprise E had a crew of 650 to 700. 685 meters long and 24 decks. Longer than the Enterprise D, but fewer people. You could walk for days without seeing anyone in some sections.
2:05 Warp core goes offline. Not only does it enable warp drive but provides the lion's share of the power to all the ship's systems, including shields and weapons. So both were much reduced in strength for the whole battle.
The warp isn't the power source though it's the mechanism that controls the matter and anti matter explosions and needed to maintain warp travel. After they come out of warp the energy can be redirected to where it's needed.
@@Freddie1980 Actually, it is. It's referred to as warp power and could be applied to other systems, in this case the shields and phasers. When the warp core went offline, that source of power was no longer available. Against a ship like the Scimitar that proved to be very costly.
@@Freddie1980 The warp core was taken offline by the Scimitar's weapons fire. That's why the ship came out of warp in the first place. If the warp core is offline then that means the matter-antimatter reaction was interrupted by damage or interrupted by a failsafe triggered by other damage. Without that reaction, there is only the fusion reactors' power generation, which is probably an order of magnitude less than the warp core's.
@@Sovereign01 Interesting…I never considered this. I just always believed that the Scimitar was vastly more powerful than the Enterprise, but are you suggesting that had the warp core not gone offline that the Enterprise may have stood more of a fighting chance?
@@chrisbradley5716 It would certainly go a long way to explaining why the Enterprise's phasers couldn't hurt the Scimitar but the Quantum Torpedoes could. Their yield isn't dependent on available power like the phasers but on their own warheads.
I don't see the hate of this movie. I liked it. I didn't like that Data had to die, but I totally understand the reason why he had to. If you really want to know, Data was more human than he could have ever been. He sacrificed himself, for his fellow friends, and crew so that they would live on. I'm pretty sure Data would go on in memory, and truly never be forgotten.
The script and pacing. Data dying isn't my issue, but it's surrounded by tired Trek tropes and half-baked ideas. Shinzon is played with verve but poorly fleshed out on paper - those scenes with Picard should sizzle, but they are all so very flat. The Romulan characters are dull as dirt. B-4 as an idea is not up to snuff. The dialogue has no zing to it. Troi's mind rape and payback is just a rehash of things the franchise did before. The space battle is exciting at times but also derivative of The Undiscovered Country, full of technobabble and shield percentage warnings, and the kamikaze run is somewhat non-sensical. The budget is stretched to its limits in many places. What little humor there is feels forced. The Remans are style over substance. The villainous plot to destroy Earth is not interesting. It's always nice to see the cast together, but this just felt tired and the action often was very tacked on, and the only thing the director and John Logan were really into. Logan in particular is just not a good fit for genre fare. You look at his resumé and all the really great work is not his sci-fi, horror or fantasy. He's a big fan of TNG, but he couldn't come up with a really fun story. Contrast that with how Picard Season 3 is shaping up and it's just night and day how much better the show is approaching a cast reunion versus Nemesis. IMO of course.
@@meiray Yeah. And on top of all that, a lot of the characters made bizarre decisions that felt like they betrayed the characters you've come to love and predict. Like Picard deciding to leave the shields down only to regret that decision minutes later.
it was not bad at all and i think it was not that is was bad. Even ST5 made its money at that says a lot about the fans. But ST had lost its momentum after all of the series ended, Lord of the Rings came out a week later and the budget was way to big for a ST movie back then. Bad timing. some bad decisions.
@@DarthZod well luckily for the rest of us your opinion has little relevance lol, it looks like I’m watching one of those tv movies you see on those obscure cable channels, you completely lose that feeling that you’re watching a big blockbuster movie, and obviously why big film production companies don’t use this format for their movies
I went to see Nemesis opening day at the old Magic Johnson Theaters at the Baldwin Hills Plaza, I've seen the movie countless times since, and I have NEVER understood why is it hated so much. I think it is because, at the time, is was supposed to be their final send off. As a finale to the TNG saga it was bad, and an entry in the TNG saga, as it stands today in Feb. of 2023, it is very strong and compelling story.
A lot of things made no sense in service of the plot. Among them; no escort ship to accompany the Enterprise-E into enemy space, B4 was never mentioned or even hinted at in TNG, the retconning of Picard having no hair during his time as a cadet, and how was it that Shinzon was able to get such a beast of a ship to be constructed in secret?
Just going to say it. I've never been able to accept that Scimitar could run down the undamaged Sovereign class flagship of the Federation. A federation renown for fast efficient warp drives.
Yes and the Romulans, although known to build tactically dominant ships, have a long history of building inefficient and glitchy propulsion systems. Having a ship that can travel a Prometheus speeds would constitute a quantum leap in propulsion technology for a civilization who, in short years past, had to sacrifice ships just to keep up with a Galaxy class ship. All this, while being built by slave labor in some secret base near a mine.
@@A407RACStarfleet and the romulans detected a organic living, sentient space ship near a star about to go nova. Starfleet sent the enterprise-D while the romulans sent to D’deridex class ships. The romulans sent two because the first ship’s job was to slow the enterprise down but in order to keep up with the enterprise they practically melted their warp nacelle coils. It was a one way trip but they disabled the enterprise long enough for the 2nd ship to catch up to them and retrieve the ship’s crew and what else could be retrieved.
I must have seen this scene a hundred times since the movie came out... It always gets me. Data did what he did because nobody else could. Some day that Data died a warriors death. For me, it does not matter... he was my friend.
This looked great! Though admittedly some of the quick edits during certain scenes were a little bit annoying, quite a few of them were cut oddly. Some of the special effects also looked a little weird, particularly the smaller sparks and some of the weapons fire though I think this was more an artifact of the upscaling and perhaps speeding up the fps
haha i didnt even catch that. granted the enterprise wasn't even trying to do anything to escape in this one. We were just waiting for them to die. At least in star trek 2 they were trying to leave at a snails pace to get out of the blast area creating tension. here we have data floating in space so he could be killed off. (should of had another movie called the search for data) haha.
It’s super sharp! Unfortunately, it also has that weird interpellation of frames that makes it look like it’s shot with a video camera from a soap opera or the local news.
This is a great example of why the movie industry's continued adherence to 24fps is just NONSENSE. It looks SO MUCH BETTER, even on a fairly old movie like this one!
I projected this in a Multiplex, and there were only handfuls of people to watch it and sometimes only one or two. In fact, we had to cancel the showing if it was so small because the electrical usage costs more than the screening made. First Contact was much more popular.
Truly awesome. I think this is better than stereoscopic 3D. I'd love to see the Motion Picture scenes of the Enterprise leaving drydock or the Mutara Nebula battle from Wrath of Khan done like this!
for the big E to go through this beating for so long against a warship designed to fight a FLEET on its own shows what magnitude starfleet was looking for in the deployment of a ship designed to face the borg. we absolutely need to see what end the big E met. it had to intense.
been saying for decades that everything should be a much igher framerate, the stuttering shit and blur when anything moves or pans is awful in films. This is great being able to not only see things move naturally around without juddering like some console game but you lose no detail either
I love the Enterprise-E. Put the Excelsior (another favorite of mine) and the Constitution refit in a blender and here you go. Stretch the Excelsior a little, put the Constitution's nacelle struts on clean it up and here you go.................and make her bigger. On a side note, I really wished they showed us fans a small glimpse of the Enterprise-E in ST: Picard S3, E9. But I understand why the Enterprise-D was the hero ship and did what they did. I know a lot people love the Enterprise-D more and I'll admit it's a good ship, but I love the lines of the Sovereign-class. Just beautiful!!
I often wonder, what other adventures did the TNG crew get up to which we never saw? There must have been 26 episodes worth of adventures x 8 years between All Good Things and post Nemesis. Makes you wonder what classic stories were in there which we never saw.
"Keep our bow on the Scimitar, auxiliary power to forward shields" Helm - "Nah screw that, I'm coming about and letting that torpedo chase our weakened aft shields"🤣
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"52 disruptor banks, 27 photon torpedo bays...primary and secondary shields"
"shes a black friday shopper"
If Tyrese Gibson on the Enterprise he will say "Why the enemy always got the best shit"
When my girls were growing up they referred to Black Friday as combat shopping .
She only fires 1 or 2 at a time just like any other ship though... haha
"She's a predator!"
@@jonny-b4954Tell that to the romulan warbirds 💀💀
"Fire at Will!"
Riker: "Wait, ... not at me you idiots!"
Damn, just made this comment lmao
His beard gives him extra shields.
I loved that this was one of the few Trek battles that acknowledged 3D space and actually used tactics that employed moving over and under vessels, as well as positioning to take advantage of where shields are weakest.
Yes well you know, it's amazing what you can do when you have 3D rendering instead of physical models...
i remember star trek used not have much combat mostly only exploring guess this episode was one of those rarest has space combat ididnt remember that shhip haseven any defence system
Star Trek the wrath of Kahn Kirk finally blasts Kahn in the Nebula after Spock Comments that Kahn does not think three dimensionally. He uses the Z axis to line up the kill shot.
Until the final bit where the Scimitar reverses out of the Enterprise and unfortunately all physics goes out of the window.
@@chriswalker4370 I was just thinking the same. What was holding the Enterprise in place to let the Scimitar reverse and break free. lol
Man the Enterprise-E is one of my favorite ship designs.
it is a beauty !!! :)
And they basically ignore it in favour of the D in Picard.
@@JohnnyFlash- yeah it’s trash ignoring it, apparently it is destroyed by now and it gets no recognition.
I'm a Nova kinda guy personally, like the Defiant I like small and capable, this is way too ott for me, too good, too special, never the underdog, except here where it totally was the underdog and I'm talking pure holononsense...
D was more beautiful
This Sovereign class Enterprise is by far the most elegant and beautiful starship !! TOP
I remember watching this with my Father in the cinema. We were the only 2 people in the entire screen and it was one of the 1 big screens in the cineplex. The guys in the cinema cranked the volume up and maxmised the canvas... probably one of the best cinema experiences ever
So three fans of Star Trek, found a way that day....
Great story. My father and I were the only audience when we watched The Final Frontier. No such luck for us though. I kinda enjoyed it, probably because I missed the "old friends". My father didn't like it.
WoW same here! My Father and Me watched this in Cinema 2002. Great memories :).
Wish it had been a better Trek film worthy of the experience, but glad you made that awesome memory.
Yah I had a similar experience with this mooovie... I was amazed, never understood the panning it got, especially because of Admiral Janeway who we expected to be a admiral anyway... A couple of ppl in the theatre snikkered when she was on.... The director was known as an editor on 007 mooovies, I htought he did swell. I was surprised Jon Frakes didnt direct though.
Gotta love how those Quantum's made short work of that Cloak!
Whole lot stronger torpedo. Be nice if the E's torpedo complement was full quantum torpedoes.
@@rattlesnake270 And if they used more than 9 of them.
TBH I like the Valdore warbird model way better than the Scimitar. As a big Romulan fan this movie made me simultaneously very happy and very sad.
As opposed to 2009 which just made me sad.
Keep in mind that ship's Reman, not Romulan. Makes sense it would have a different design language.
The Valdore class are underrated beauties. Sleek and predatory, they handle so much better than the classic D'derix cruisers, which still have their place.
I don't know what the Romulans have done to the writers for the last 20 years, but they've been the punching bags of the galaxy in almost everything
Jolan tru fellow Rihannsu, the Valdore is a beauty isn't she? D'Deridex's will still always be my favourite, but the Mogais are neat.
@@Iscannon It used to be the Klingons, and then it was the Borg, they used them for all they could, and the Cardassians had been smashed to pieces post-Dominion war so that just left the Romulans...although I like how the Gorn are being more of a threat in SNW, but obviously that's decades in the past canonically compared to Nemesis/Picard era.
love how combat just changes completly with the sovereign class
She was designed more for battle, since she was developed to fight the Borg. Although this space battle seems more like I'm watching fighters fly around instead of large, lumbering ships.
After seeing the first 3 episodes of Picard season 3 and their homage to the E-D I don’t think this ship gets enough love. It is one of my favourite looking ships despite only being in 3 films
D was destroyed in Generations.
@@chemicalpoison91 The Enterprise-E was in First contact, Insurrection and Nemesis. Great ship!
@@alhemmings8554 yeah not D
They went so backward in design with the E. Terrible.
@@chemicalpoison91 They brought her back in Picard season 3. She looks beautiful.
Enterprise: incalculable number of hits. We've lost shielding on deck 29.
Reinforcement ship: oh we got hit time to eject a wing.
Structural weakness in the Valdore class warbirds
@@rattlesnake270 Created by the Scimitar 😁
To be fair, Enterprise has plot armor and Shinzon was trying to take Picard alive. NPC's dying to prove how powerful the bad guy is while not threatening the actual heroes is a classic trope. The Valdore class were a bit light on defenses in comparison to the Sovereign class, though - they were more aggressive ships, probably filling the role of interceptor, I would guess. Shinzon also may have had a better idea where to hit them since I assume his team had access to basically all Romulan ship building data while making his doom ship.
Two standard aging Valdore class warbirds, vs arguably the most advanced Star fleet vessel at that point in time. Plus they wanted Picard alive.
@@SimrKhera Versus, as in comparing the two. You know, the entire topic of the conversation. Doofus.
I remember going to see this on its release day in the UK along with some friends all in uniform, it was quite an experience as I remembered going to see First Contact at my local cinema 6 years earlier by myself due to none of my local friends being as much into Star Trek as I was at the time.
I totally get that.
Same experience lol
First Contact was the first Trek movie I saw in theatre. I wasn't even much into Trek before, a friend had selected the movie, so I didn't know the characters really well, nor did I know Picard's history with the Borg. Didn't matter, I was quite hooked.
@@countluke2334 Same, me and a bunch of school friends saw it..I was hooked
"keep our bow on the Scimitar"
then immediately exposes its stern.
GREAT continuity.
0:13 What a beauty. That ship deserved better movies.
Love the film or hate it, it did give us the Scimitar! 😎
That was the biggest weakness of the film. The Romulans just magically poop out a ship that is vastly larger, with far more firepower and shields, has a superweapon, a perfect battle cloak AND it's faster than the latest Enterprise?
Cmon man.
@@Elthenar AND there is no sign of its class again. Knowing how xenophobic the Romulans are, they should have been pumping these out day and night. The would have been so useful during the evacuation of Romulan space because of the supernova.
@@mattainsworth6389 But they preferred to dump all that research into the Narada, a huge briar bush with a drill arm attached to it.
@@cujoedaman Fan theories suggest that the Scimitar was originally a Dominion design that the Remans modified to suit their needs.
@@Elthenar Wasn't even the Romulans. It was the Remans. The slave race. Who somehow built it right under the noses of the Tal Shiar.
I love Star Trek
looks great out side of the few fast moving close ups. Great job It was a pleasure to view.
the movie was meh. but the CGI for the enterprise-e was spot on. the detail still holds up today
Yes, I especially like the scene of the Enterprise leaving Romulus.
TWOK battle footage still looks more realistic, though
@@Wonderboywonderings twok?
@@randomrazr not much of a Star Trek fan are you?
@@Wonderboywonderings ci sir
60fps makes a big difference. I really wish all movies were filmed natively in this format. Gemini Man was and it's astounding.
Agreed. Large space scenes need higher framerate I don't really want to see another 24p scene.
Wow, gorgous upscaling! Thank you!
I like the whole film in general, but the quality of this uploaded clip is beyond amazing.
The music in this film is top notch.
3:50, props to Worf! he literally nailed every single photon torpedo there.
Very nice! I think it made the exterior shots more realistic. I really hope they release this film in 4K
Why would they? Too many people hated it.
A 4k release would be great
@@Shadowkey392 Final Frontier got a 4k release (I love Star Trek V for the record)
If they scent a market, they'll sell to it.
@@AlyssMa7rin It's already been announced. 5th April, all TNG films are being released in 4K.
I LOVED Nemesis and this edit looks incredible. All Trek needs this treatment.
Gawd, especially on the usual *shaky cam bridge explody* scenes the picture is so much clearer just from the extra frames. It adds a new dimension to the crispness.
Picard: "Perhaps today IS a good day to die! Ramming speed!"
Worf is pleased
Nemesis is such a criminally underrated movie. I absolutely loved it then and still do. Yeah I can definitely critique it scene by scene but I still love the movie. Certain parts were definitely stupid. Data flying across space and being so well placed to find a unlocked door on the Schimitar. Yeah I would be certain there is a way to destroy the ship without computer controlled self destruction. Like shoot the warp core? Throw a grenade at the core? Simply turn off or disconnect the magnetic containment field? Don't get me started on how easy it is to overthrow the Romulan Star Empire. Then the "clone" of Picard.... Just ugh but it was still a good movie!
The horrid part was that the director hadn't ever even watched Star Trek. It's why it was so disappointing.
Well the warp core went offline very early in the battle, so that was never an option. It's also why the Enterprise underperformed against the Scimitar.
@@rattlesnake270 THAT IS FCKN CRIMINAL. That uninspired director should remain forever shunned by the Trekkie community
THAT HAVING BEEN SAID.. ya lol pretty cool movie 🖖
@@rattlesnake270 For not having watched Star Trek, the director freaking hit it out of the park if we're being honest. It's certainly better than ST Discovery and ST Picard...
@@thesciguy4823 I wouldn't say that but it's better than it could have been. Still doesn't do the TNG cast a due justice to close their story.
I'm a fan of Picard taking an extreme tactical risk to literally ram the Scimitar, but did he notify the crew in the forward saucer section of his maneuver?
If I remember correctly, they did evacuate the forward sections.
That'll teach those slackers in the bar a lesson.
Well, the Enterprise E had a crew of 650 to 700. 685 meters long and 24 decks. Longer than the Enterprise D, but fewer people. You could walk for days without seeing anyone in some sections.
Some of you may die......but that is a sacrifice I'm willing to make!
Doesn't matter; ramming speed!
2:05 Warp core goes offline. Not only does it enable warp drive but provides the lion's share of the power to all the ship's systems, including shields and weapons. So both were much reduced in strength for the whole battle.
The warp isn't the power source though it's the mechanism that controls the matter and anti matter explosions and needed to maintain warp travel. After they come out of warp the energy can be redirected to where it's needed.
@@Freddie1980 Actually, it is. It's referred to as warp power and could be applied to other systems, in this case the shields and phasers. When the warp core went offline, that source of power was no longer available. Against a ship like the Scimitar that proved to be very costly.
@@Freddie1980 The warp core was taken offline by the Scimitar's weapons fire. That's why the ship came out of warp in the first place. If the warp core is offline then that means the matter-antimatter reaction was interrupted by damage or interrupted by a failsafe triggered by other damage. Without that reaction, there is only the fusion reactors' power generation, which is probably an order of magnitude less than the warp core's.
@@Sovereign01 Interesting…I never considered this. I just always believed that the Scimitar was vastly more powerful than the Enterprise, but are you suggesting that had the warp core not gone offline that the Enterprise may have stood more of a fighting chance?
@@chrisbradley5716 It would certainly go a long way to explaining why the Enterprise's phasers couldn't hurt the Scimitar but the Quantum Torpedoes could. Their yield isn't dependent on available power like the phasers but on their own warheads.
I don't see the hate of this movie. I liked it. I didn't like that Data had to die, but I totally understand the reason why he had to. If you really want to know, Data was more human than he could have ever been. He sacrificed himself, for his fellow friends, and crew so that they would live on. I'm pretty sure Data would go on in memory, and truly never be forgotten.
The script and pacing. Data dying isn't my issue, but it's surrounded by tired Trek tropes and half-baked ideas. Shinzon is played with verve but poorly fleshed out on paper - those scenes with Picard should sizzle, but they are all so very flat. The Romulan characters are dull as dirt. B-4 as an idea is not up to snuff. The dialogue has no zing to it. Troi's mind rape and payback is just a rehash of things the franchise did before. The space battle is exciting at times but also derivative of The Undiscovered Country, full of technobabble and shield percentage warnings, and the kamikaze run is somewhat non-sensical. The budget is stretched to its limits in many places. What little humor there is feels forced. The Remans are style over substance. The villainous plot to destroy Earth is not interesting.
It's always nice to see the cast together, but this just felt tired and the action often was very tacked on, and the only thing the director and John Logan were really into. Logan in particular is just not a good fit for genre fare. You look at his resumé and all the really great work is not his sci-fi, horror or fantasy. He's a big fan of TNG, but he couldn't come up with a really fun story.
Contrast that with how Picard Season 3 is shaping up and it's just night and day how much better the show is approaching a cast reunion versus Nemesis.
IMO of course.
gotta remember than brent spiner wanted him to die in Insurrections, he was tired of the role.
Insurrection was massivley underrated too.
@@meiray Yeah. And on top of all that, a lot of the characters made bizarre decisions that felt like they betrayed the characters you've come to love and predict. Like Picard deciding to leave the shields down only to regret that decision minutes later.
it was not bad at all and i think it was not that is was bad. Even ST5 made its money at that says a lot about the fans. But ST had lost its momentum after all of the series ended, Lord of the Rings came out a week later and the budget was way to big for a ST movie back then. Bad timing. some bad decisions.
It feels like watching a new movie. Great job! Amazing detail :)
Nobody likes double frame rate. Makes bit look like cheap camcorder tv movie featuring Eric Robert’s.
This is absolutely beautiful!
People may have criticized this movie as not being the best in the franchise but you cannot deny it ranks as the best battle in start trek ever.
This is amazing! Thank you for sharing!
Enterprise-E is the real beast here!
MAN IT LOOKS GREAT WISH I COULD GET THE WHOLE MOVIE LIKE THIS... LOVE THE SCIMITAR
Nobody likes double frame rate. Makes bit look like cheap camcorder tv movie featuring Eric Robert’s.
you lose the cinematic experience
@@kiely4561 well i seen in cinema and now this looks better so no i didnt lose it
@@DarthZod well luckily for the rest of us your opinion has little relevance lol, it looks like I’m watching one of those tv movies you see on those obscure cable channels, you completely lose that feeling that you’re watching a big blockbuster movie, and obviously why big film production companies don’t use this format for their movies
I really like how compact the bridge is
I went to see Nemesis opening day at the old Magic Johnson Theaters at the Baldwin Hills Plaza, I've seen the movie countless times since, and I have NEVER understood why is it hated so much.
I think it is because, at the time, is was supposed to be their final send off. As a finale to the TNG saga it was bad, and an entry in the TNG saga, as it stands today in Feb. of 2023, it is very strong and compelling story.
A lot of things made no sense in service of the plot. Among them; no escort ship to accompany the Enterprise-E into enemy space, B4 was never mentioned or even hinted at in TNG, the retconning of Picard having no hair during his time as a cadet, and how was it that Shinzon was able to get such a beast of a ship to be constructed in secret?
Just going to say it. I've never been able to accept that Scimitar could run down the undamaged Sovereign class flagship of the Federation. A federation renown for fast efficient warp drives.
Lol, that's always bothered me as well
Yes and the Romulans, although known to build tactically dominant ships, have a long history of building inefficient and glitchy propulsion systems. Having a ship that can travel a Prometheus speeds would constitute a quantum leap in propulsion technology for a civilization who, in short years past, had to sacrifice ships just to keep up with a Galaxy class ship.
All this, while being built by slave labor in some secret base near a mine.
@@Clenched.Cheeks Out of curiosity, what episode are you referring to with "sacrifice ships just to keep up with a Galaxy class"?
@@A407RAC It's a TNG episode named Tin Man, not the most popular episode but I found it unique and attention grabbing. :)
@@A407RACStarfleet and the romulans detected a organic living, sentient space ship near a star about to go nova. Starfleet sent the enterprise-D while the romulans sent to D’deridex class ships. The romulans sent two because the first ship’s job was to slow the enterprise down but in order to keep up with the enterprise they practically melted their warp nacelle coils. It was a one way trip but they disabled the enterprise long enough for the 2nd ship to catch up to them and retrieve the ship’s crew and what else could be retrieved.
The battle was awesome to watch
Thank you for this! The forgotten kickass scenes that make Nemesis a great Khan contender...Still brings tears to my eyes ("Sir" Data's sacrifice)
Sir data
@@marcusgriffin4945 Umm...you better capitalize that "D" LOL 😉😉
nemesis SUCKED
Its amazing how warships come equipped with uplights in the future
I must have seen this scene a hundred times since the movie came out... It always gets me. Data did what he did because nobody else could. Some day that Data died a warriors death.
For me, it does not matter... he was my friend.
This looked great! Though admittedly some of the quick edits during certain scenes were a little bit annoying, quite a few of them were cut oddly. Some of the special effects also looked a little weird, particularly the smaller sparks and some of the weapons fire though I think this was more an artifact of the upscaling and perhaps speeding up the fps
I really want to watch the entire movie this way.
Ah, yes. The Genesis Device is activated...I mean the Theyleron Weapon.
*Thalaron ;)
They were 2 entirely different weapons.
haha i didnt even catch that. granted the enterprise wasn't even trying to do anything to escape in this one. We were just waiting for them to die. At least in star trek 2 they were trying to leave at a snails pace to get out of the blast area creating tension. here we have data floating in space so he could be killed off. (should of had another movie called the search for data) haha.
The loss of Data was so well conveyed by Mr Stewart
Sure looks beautiful in 4k
I forgot that we never got a chance to see the scimitar fire, would have been pretty cool with those huge arms and needle things
This movie deserves a rewatch!
Ah, the good old headbutt diplomacy. Gotta love Jean-Luc
The Enterprise escaping Romulus is probably my favorite warp sequence of all time!
A lot of the visuals look better than current trek
4k Remasters on blu ray should be out soon! Cant wait!
It gives me over and over again goosebumps the moment when Data dies. :((
It’s super sharp! Unfortunately, it also has that weird interpellation of frames that makes it look like it’s shot with a video camera from a soap opera or the local news.
Nobody likes double frame rate. Makes it look like cheap camcorder tv movie featuring Eric Roberts. lol
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Thats the point. I love it.
The same feeling
You can do the upscaling without the shitty interpolation.
This is a great example of why the movie industry's continued adherence to 24fps is just NONSENSE. It looks SO MUCH BETTER, even on a fairly old movie like this one!
SPX peeps went crazy on this one with particle shape shifts towards the camera.........KEWLNESS dude...heh
"The bigger they are, the harder Data falls"
LMFAO
I'm sorry, I had to!
I love sound in space
the cool thing about the ship to ship head butt was to make the cloak most likely ineffective giving the federation fleet an edge.
The E is so bad ass, too bad we couldn’t get one more film with her.
One of the hardest goodbyes I have had to do till we meet again
One of my All time favorite movies.
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I projected this in a Multiplex, and there were only handfuls of people to watch it and sometimes only one or two. In fact, we had to cancel the showing if it was so small because the electrical usage costs more than the screening made. First Contact was much more popular.
“Evacuate front saucer section”
“Brace for collision”
Favorite quotes never spoken 😂
What I would give to see the Ent-E in some DS9-style fleet engagements.
"Fire at Will!"
Crew, including Riker: "Sir???"
Blue Skies, smiling at me, nothing but blue skies, do I see!
WORF has returned for Picard Season 3!! The Man with a Cornish Pastie superglued to his forehead returns! It's Epic!
Them trying to find it while it was cloaked was probably the most eerie part of the movie, and they never were able to find it.
"Somehow from our pitiful off target fire he's losing his cloak !"
☕☕☕☕
One of my favorities movies of de saga.
One of the most underrated movies ever.
46/50/60 fps entirely de-gravitates a cinematic experience. Still feels like a soap opera.
Truly awesome. I think this is better than stereoscopic 3D. I'd love to see the Motion Picture scenes of the Enterprise leaving drydock or the Mutara Nebula battle from Wrath of Khan done like this!
God I love the Scimitar.
5:57, such a good scene, that was unexpected when I first saw this in the cinema, Poor helmsman could been saved if they had seat belts.
Look at that ship!!!!! Immense.
Is there a battle bridge as well on the sovereign?
"He wouldn't"
Worf: Yes he would
for the big E to go through this beating for so long against a warship designed to fight a FLEET on its own shows what magnitude starfleet was looking for in the deployment of a ship designed to face the borg. we absolutely need to see what end the big E met. it had to intense.
Would love to see it in action against the USS Vengeance from Into Darkness
I love the frame rate on this
well, this looks exactly like when i visit my parents and they have the TV on with "motion smoothing" activated :P :D
The soap opera effect is strong in this video. LOL. I love it.
been saying for decades that everything should be a much igher framerate, the stuttering shit and blur when anything moves or pans is awful in films. This is great being able to not only see things move naturally around without juddering like some console game but you lose no detail either
"FIRE AT WILL!"
Will gets executed on the bridge...
I love the Enterprise-E. Put the Excelsior (another favorite of mine) and the Constitution refit in a blender and here you go. Stretch the Excelsior a little, put the Constitution's nacelle struts on clean it up and here you go.................and make her bigger.
On a side note, I really wished they showed us fans a small glimpse of the Enterprise-E in ST: Picard S3, E9. But I understand why the Enterprise-D was the hero ship and did what they did. I know a lot people love the Enterprise-D more and I'll admit it's a good ship, but I love the lines of the Sovereign-class. Just beautiful!!
One of the last real star trek battle
That CGI is totally in the uncanny valley.
Its sad to see the Enterprise -E survive this fight only to be destroyed in Prodigy.
I often wonder, what other adventures did the TNG crew get up to which we never saw? There must have been 26 episodes worth of adventures x 8 years between All Good Things and post Nemesis. Makes you wonder what classic stories were in there which we never saw.
You can activate your frameinterpolation on your TV and had the same look! ;)
Why is it just now that I'm starting to appreciate the Scimitar's design?
Was the Enterprise-E ever repaired after this? (I know it was the last movie, but this thing had a metric crap ton of damage here)
The very end scene of this movie shows the E in space dock being repaired.
The Scimitar is to this day the best Romulan ship in Star Trek Online.
There's a good argument here to not have the bridge on the outside of the ship.
"Keep our bow on the Scimitar, auxiliary power to forward shields" Helm - "Nah screw that, I'm coming about and letting that torpedo chase our weakened aft shields"🤣
looks great on my 1080p monitor