I also think these people see things as black and white, casual and hardcore ( Xiao boyfriend roleplayer VS Union level 40 , max stars Tower of adversity on week 1 ) but i think the reality is split in 3 ( Casual / Normal / No Life Jobless Goblin or Streamer ), Normal players want endgame, normal players grind for their gear, they do eveything, but we just don't do it 10 hours a day, 7 days a week, practicing hidden animation canceling tech and learning boss patterns by sound queues. And i think 60% of players probably qualify in this category.
Very accurate opinion, except I'd say 60% is very low of an estimate. I'd guess ATLEAST 80%, but honestly probably 90% of total players are casual/normal. Playing the game full-time is something a minority of players will do.
It's like they want an mmo game out of wuwa. they no lifed the game, grind it for 10 to 20 hours a day and expecting it to have more content. While most casuals that can squeeze hours or two per day still has a lot of content to do.
It really is streamer brainrot for sure. I've played about 20-25 hours or so since release and I just finished the story and just hit acct level 30, so still have tons and tons of content left. And even my 20 or so hours is probably a bit above average for a gacha game. This is the problem with being a gacha creator, you're spending 10 hours a day on games designed to be played for 20 minutes a day.
@@Raven3557 Sure, but I think what OP (and others) are pointing out is that they spend more than an average players time grinding through all the content the game has to offer, only to then complain there's not enough content or "endgame". We saw similar (imho dumb) arguments with Genshin as well.
Mtashed: i am at level 36 ryt now and... Tectone: i am at level 35 ryt now but i can get to 36 if i use my cubes.. Sweetily: (in a sweet voice) i am at level 38 ryt now and will try to reach 40 this week...
Sweetily should be a staple of every podcast. She is so knowledgeable when it comes to game mechanics (in stark contrast to Teccy) it´s insane. What a queen.
ofc lol what does tectone know.. unless he yapping how he hates genshin impact without actually saying anything good about wuwa. sweetily is sensei. she is godly intelligent unlike that bald mofo.
They offer different perspectives for the game. Mtash offers the casual mmo player pov that likes gameplay. Tectone offers a hardcore player pov that watches guides, tierlists, and tech, but really only plays for fun. Fob offers the min max hardcore no Iifer player pov that goes deep into the game. Pokke is pokke. And sweetily is cute, and offers a super hardcore whale pov that enjoys the game for what it is. It's really diverse and great for a discussion on the future of a game. If you look at WoW and OW for example, the podcasts and discussions often only have super hardcore players talking about how the game should be. And that basically ruined those two games, because the devs listened to only the super hardcore players. (WoW became unreasonably complex and completely unplayable without plugins, and OW became really unfun and had terrible gamefeel only catering to super hardcore gameplay)
One thing that has to be kept in mind with streamer feedback, and I’m a fan of all these guys, is that your regular person does not have the time to put so many hours in. If someone put 100 hours into Elden Ring and complained about a lack of content, people would think they’re crazy. But to put 100 hours into a gacha and say, I’m running out of things to do…IMO yeah, you should be 😆 It creates a narrative that isn’t relatable to the majority of the playerbase.
This is a good ass comment. If I heard someone like these guys say there wasn't enough content in like a JRPG that offers hundreds of hours of content I'd think they're just fucking nuts.
I plan to play jianxin, yinlin, mortefi team. jianxin ulti+heavy attacks to trigger both yinlin and mortefi coordinate attacks. The screen is gonna go wild
Someone needs to tell mtashed to go play a non gacha fr. I feel like he didn't get it when they said it. This is not how gacha games work, fundamentally they cannot operate like that. Also... anyone else laugh whenever tectone started making faces anytime something negative was said.
This has been my favorite gacha podcast so far. Seems more like a conversation of people enjoying the game. Perfect amount of people. Great cast. Good job pokke!!
This discussion feels a lot like cc's who no-life'd the game and played it nonstop who are out of touch with the typical gacha gamer who can only afford an hour or two at most a day. No normal player is coming anywhere close to running out of content right now. Mtashed suggesting DOUBLE the content feels especially out of touch to me. I mean, of course I would love more content, but double? There's already so much!
10:00 No cap Tectone in this podcast is very freaking salty.. like bro, can't be acting like a kid all the time. Well at least at the start. I know cuz he basically stan for Calcharo and everyone is basically saying his "MID" af.. and I know this cuz his animations are too flashy that it's basically dps loss. 51:00 I think Sweetily was saying about is basically the same for Arknights.. basically challenge stages in order to test people how to "Fully Utilize a character" at their max potential. Special stages to clear. Though in my opinion just improving Illusive Realm is much more worth the time. 58:00 Ima be honest, I think they should just focus the game for "HARDCORE" players. cuz I think they will never ever ever ever manage to steal the casual players from genshin, not to mention if Azure Promilla drops it would be like the 2nd most casual af game. So they would have to fight 3 way with this one. Instead they should just focus on the Hardcore players that way they just have a single dedicated community who just wants to tackle harder contents. Sure it's like a drop in revenue somewhat, but also the people who would inevitably spend are hardcore players who really wants to be on top leaderboards. 1:36:52 I genuinely wish MTASH finally gets his spot at POE2. I would 100% wish his viewers support him on PEO2. he definitely doesn't fit on Gacha games.. no cap. I wish he reaches that million subs at POE2. I will 100% support him. and I wish the other gacha streamers try to do it too. Also I only play Wuthering waves and Honkai Star rail. as my gacha games.. and I play those 2 at least just max an hour and prob min 15-30 minutes. so that's 1 hour min and 2 hours max for the 2 games. Since I also play other main game, mainly single player games.
the problem with mtashed is that he gets bored easily after grinding the content for hours and hours, he can't really expect a gacha game to work like an MMO. and also, it looks like he doesn't really want to play something that his followers will not watch. like most of his community plays gacha games, he's scared that if he played something like elden ring then his viewers would decrease. idk if i make sense but im guessing he wants a gacha game that he can treat as mmo and that can give him viewers, then why doesn't he try idk like tower of fantasy (im not sure if it's mmo and how it works but ik creators tag is as mmo) or pgr that apparently has lots of endgame. nobody rlly streams these games as much so yeah....
Yeah I kinda get tired of it ,he does it to himself ,then he will do a bunch of I'm quitting I'm burnt out videos even though it's quite literally his fault he runs out of content
The guy already asks for new content when there is like 100+ hours of content released a week ago. Even more if you decide to complete the explorations. The average playtime is about 2 hours per day. About 1/3 of players play more than 3 hours per day. Imagine playing 2 months of content in a week and then complain about the lack of content or burnout lol
PODCAST W. I will say, for mtashed, I think he should try black desert online or lost ark. Those two games have a ton of content and the combat is really good. Black desert also has some of the most fun PvP and Pve imo. Cuz it sounds like he wants an MMO instead of a gacha game LOL.
Nah he is just yapping, he had ToF which was exactly what he wanted but he dropped it, he doesn't know what he wants, he's just trying to find something to stay relevant in the gacha space
@@Hhhh22222-w I mean, while he has a point into needing more content, I don’t think it needs more content NOW. I’d like to see the stuff he’s asking for later into the game’s lifespan. But on launch? This is a good amount of content to do, he’s just burning through it since he has like an e1 s1 Jiyan. Mtashed just needs to understand that most people aren’t playing as long as him, and still have plenty of content to do. He wants a complete game at 1.0, and I think he just needs to let the game cook a little longer.
You have to see mtashed perspective. I think if after killing mobs 50 times you got like 5 premium tuner he would be happy. He does not want infinite content, he wants to not be gated by stamina. "Oh then dont play a gacha". Thing is gachas make shit tons of money and he is hoping with that money they could create the best game in all of existence by not catering for money and instead for fun. Thats what he wants. So imagine if you could reach union level 40 by grinding 24h, maybe make it super tedious and shit, so stamina refreshes are still viable and still just more efficient time wise by a lot. But endless grinding is still possible and progression doable. TLDR: Make perfect game with gacha money, and not gate progression with stamina.
i just wished they added more visuals to show if we have a buff, because there is no way they expect us to know when 14 seconds is over during the middlenof a fight
I want a mechanic where you can recycle echoes you dont want for exp. For ex: a purple echo will give purple exp and a yellow exho will give yellow echo exp
Holy L takes from Mtashed, as usual. The guy just needs to stop playing gacha games. They aren't for him. He literally speedruns all the content right away then always complains about having nothing to do and effectively doomposts about the game even though it's still in 1.0. He did this exact same thing, almost word for word, last year with HSR. He needs to play games that have a beginning and an end from the get-go instead. I don't think there's any need to worry about the game's content at this point. Need to let them cook for a while. I agree that the event is shit though. Anyway, fun podcast. Sweetily was the highlight of the podcast. She's very knowledgeable and informative and I actually learned some new things about the game thanks to her. Love her sweet voice. Everyone else were great too, fob and Tectone's banter is always funny, and Pokke being a mute even in his own podcast. I think mostly everyone had interesting things to say and there were some really thought provoking arguments. Some I agree with, others I don't. This was almost a perfect lineup honestly. Would love to see you guys do this again. I think this amount of members for a podcast is good.
@@Ayzal88819One paragraph highlighting a bad take from Mtashed then proceeding to say positive things about the rest = pressed over podcast, great analytical thinking lil bro
@@Hhhh22222-w called having an opinion, some people like rushing through a game and yet want more content to be there nothing wrong with that. Just because his opinion is different than yours doesnt make it a bad take, “lil bro”
Other people have said this, but mtashed really should consider pushing into the mmorpg space, feels like a kind of of game he would jell with more, doesn't have the same views and money in it though for youtube.
Tectone being the subjective casual representative in the podcast is funny to me 😂😂😂 its not a bad thing its just funny. everyone is knowledgeable and he's like a student cluelessly watching at a live forum of experts trying to interject with calcharo this and that trying to contribute atleast a little bit 😂😂😂
It's a Genshin clone that uses shameless ripped off elements of both Genshin and Star rail, I'm going to quit probably once Tarisland and zzz comes out
actually there’s a way in pgr that go for both casual and hardcore and that’s the difficulty level(shocking right?) in pain cage in pgr If you’re doing hardest difficulty (another hader level for TOA if there is) you get more exclusive currency (TOA triangle thing) per week but here’s the kicker these currency can give you *duplicate for any character you have* but isn’t that gonna lower the money they spend? well they *limit the amount of dupe you can get for that character* so it didn’t completely ruin themselves plus it’s encouraged any player to the mindset of “if only I can get 1 of this character I can farm for C1 no problem” and pull for more on character they plan to skip TOA problem solved aside another end game mode “battlefield “ or just say it “wuthering waves” basically enemy that come in waves with time limit the more you kill the higher in leaderboard the better reward as well. battlefield currency can be trade for universal weapon dupe but took a longer time to get one than pain cage due to dupe limit per character. there will be no limit dupe you can get for any weapon but in return took longer time to get 1. another mode is guild&raid boss in pgr. this mode is easy because it’s multiplayer for all level and there’s trail characters for low level player to tackle on. this mode didn’t do much more than give currency to decorate your guild and give basic resources/material upgrades which is really needed in Wuwa. another one is Norman. basically there’s a big buff minion&boss in this zone which require 2+ team to win you can choose to 1.tackle this minion&boss with big buff head on or 2.go around and kill the support that give buff to this minion group & boss first then go kill regular minion & boss. now this Norman currency is interesting is because it give upgrade to your pet, and if this mode transfer to Wuwa…echo skill upgrade might not be that far off since we do have buff echo skill present in roguelike mode just thinking about these coming to Wuwa is really exciting and I hope the dev do so too.
Yet again MTashed plays a game for 20 hours a day for 7 days straight after release and is confused why there isn’t much to do now, HSR all over again 😂
It’s not that crazy. It’s spite. He hates the community. Tectone is a loudmouth and a dummy, but the lies spread about him are numerous. I’m not surprised at all.
wuthering waves IS bigger when compared to 1.0-1.1 genshin ... well its not that its bigger, its that its more content dense ... we really didnt have much in mondstad and liyue
48:05 i personally am spamming tacet fields in order to get echo exp. cause i ran out of them and i barely have 2 characters with lvled up echoes, not even 1 has perfect stats. i barely have my main dps with 2 %elemt dmg piece and % crit as main stat. , rest is like atk% or HP%. and tuner subs are ass.
That's why in their discussion they said they just roll the first 2 subs for cdmg and crate since the investment for +10 is so low compared to +25 since we can hardcore farm the overworld
The biggest thing about this game is that Exploration doesnt feel like a chore, I hate exploration in genshin, but in Wuwa I've already did some 100% with no burnout on the horizon
This. I'm not a big fan of Open World games so exploration was such a chore for me in Genshin. In WuWa, I actually like running around because of how much faster traversal is, plus I enjoy fighting TDs so hunting them around the map and clearing chests along the way feels good.
it's because the game is new. I don't think anyone will enjoy spending 10 hours every new patch just to do the exploration. It happened to me in Genshin, I cleared 100% in mondstadt and and liyue, but getting burn out when I tried to do sumeru and completely ignored exploration now. I want content, but it should be fun and satisfying, not mindless grinding.
@@zendao7967 maybe but then I've never had issues with Hsr, so its not like I change my mind on things, I love genshin but it has a lot but a lot of issues and devs are stupid
I can't be the only one that doesn't want more content, this early, right? I feel like there is so much I can do still for end game, and I am at level 35. If anything, I rather they spend their time with the server optimization, and someway to display buffs would be nice. Game has been insanely fun tho. Also Sweetily buff for the clicks 🎉
@@seizerkb3225 Technically not. It's just more that I would need to keep track of. I definitely wouldn't be mad if they added more, as they would just look to be improving the gameplay options
FR I felt insane when I heard that bc I feel like there’s so much content already 😂 if it was even level gated at all, it unlocked so early too. I’m level 30 feel like there’s still a lot of content I haven’t tried lol
I feel like the only people who would need more are people who played CBT2 too much like myself. Otherwise learning the hologram fights and echo farming is enough gameplay until the combat event and altogether should be enough for most people until 1.1.
You're not, I pretty much went no-life mode on last Saturday just so I can play very casually after that 😂 Tho I can understand why these guys want more content because they need stream content.
38:48 Delusional that spending $400 on a single game isn't a lot. Nioh 2 has way deeper combat, better mechanics, better camera, better boss design, and it's a single payment of $39.
This is an issue MMOs always run into it; Trying to teach players how to be better at the game. Even if you make more tutorials, most people won't care. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. At the end of the day if a player truly cares about improving then they'll put in the effort to find the fan made resources that explain how. If they don't care about improving then they won't and no amount of hand holding or in game tips will change that.
One thing Wuwa can add is for the character's tutorial they just demonstrate their recommended lines up and the combo rotation, swap rotation to maximize dmg then let player try the combo and can replay the demonstration just like what Honkai impact 3rd do for new character
Wuwa will run into content drought since its not mmo level of content. If they make it too grindy, people will hate it that way too. But I think they will release higher level fights after most playerbase get relatively close to lv 50ish
Poor mtashed. Plays so hard and can't get enough. Game is only 1.0! The one drawback of day one gaming a gacha is having to wait for content and waiting for the bugs to be ironed out. I'm not sure how much faster they can release content to keep up with the 5% who go hard and want to be sweaty.
@@jamin3131tbh Im not even looking for chests or puzzle I just get them when I encounter them. So that everytime I explore the open world or farm echoes I can stumble upon them makes the echo hunting a little bit fun.
Everyone is worried about content or hard modes, I think there needs to be patience. Let Kuro cook and give them the space to bring over PGR-like end game. Don't think it will assuage any anxiety about it until it releases, but I do have more trust in Kuro. They got a lot of plates spinning right now, games still a baby which just popped out. Think its going to be a fine wine with age, give it a few months. PGR had tons of banger patches, gonna ramp hard once they hit their stride.
They need to focus more on core areas, that are essential to retaining players. The combat is amazing, so they're fine there. What they need to focus on majorly, is story, and localization. The story is so meh, until act 5 and 6. It's filled with so much mumbo jumbo jargon that is not well explained at all, yet the jargon is used so much as if it expects you to know what each nonsensical word actually means. They need to actually explain the lore behind the words, and give actual examples and scenes to give some weight behind their fantastical words. Otherwise, it just sounds like fancy word salads, with no meaning behind it. Just trying to say big words to sound impressive, but making the audience yawn and check out as they do. Also, I'm sincerely hoping the writers get a bit better at pacing in the future. I understand they changed writers from Acts 1-4 to a different writer for Acts 5-6 (good move BTW. The talent difference is clear between them, and definitely noticeable improvement in quality). But, the overarching plot, goal, and more needs to be better expanded on. We just feel like a person that just reacts to things, while wandering about aimlessly without a real goal. Recover our memories, but that's fairly generic since they've already basically revealed who we were this early. So, what's the goal now? On top of that (and this next one ties into the localization issues), our main supporting cast. At least from what we can tell. YangYang. Her English VA for her is terrible. It's not even a matter of lack of direction, her voice doesn't fit. And the technical quality of her sound gear makes it sound like she's a centimeter from the mic, and we can hear her spitting into it every time she talks. Combined with how emotionless and bored she sounds with it, it really sounds like she didn't even try, compared to several of the other Vas. Which is a problem, because she appears to be the poster girl of the game, outside of our MC. After hearing her talk throughout the story, I'm sincerely hoping we leave her behind when we leave this country. So I don't have to listen to the VA anymore. And then after her, we now have another mascot character after Act 6.....yay (sarcasm). So our supporting cast for our MC is pretty rough compared to other games out there. This kind of stuff makes me wanna just skip all the dialogue and custscenes. Fast skip the whole story. And guess what happens when the story doesn't matter to you? The hype for future characters and patches drops tremendously. You don't care much to see what happens next, and you really only come back to see about, every once in a blue moon, new end game content drops. Because if the story doesn't matter, only that will retain your attention. And that's not sustainable long term. The story and characters need to be good. For this game to go the distance and last a long time. Competing with certain other giants out there.
@@90377Se Rover wants to regain his/her memories. Rover is basically searching to understand his/her past so they will know their purpose, so Rover doesn't have a clear objective yet.
I think some of the issue with the game feeling shorter than Genshin is also that we now have 3+ years of Genshin experience so it’s easier to endgame. I’ll bet for players where this is their first gacha, they are taking as long as we did in Genshin bc they are still learning the tropes
I'm f2p on mobile and I cleared diff 4 on every hologram and diff 5 on heron, I feel like people are making mobile seem worse than it is because they're not used to it. I would probably play pretty bad on PC too.
Lingyang is the yangqing of WuWa cool design fun playstyle but everyone else just does more dmg with less setup. also wish they kept his more animalistic design and mortefi dragon tail
Wouldv ebeen cool if you got bo3 esk levels of movement challenges, we have the wall running and grappling, you an echo for movement, we have double jumps and triple jumps. The event had potential but it boiled down to genshin events where its grapple on this so a booster will send you striaght then grapple on this rinse repeat. And its not like they dont know how to do good movement challenges they had the overdash with the base world, imagine what they could do with the custom arenas they could make
Why does it feel like im being warmily embraced everytime Sweetily speaks? is that 'working as intended'? What a cracked CC buff to have.... Good Pod Fam. Keep Wuthering those Waves! 🌊🌊
25:55 If you have his E charged up it's one of the best tools to use for parrying. You can actually just spam hitting and when a move that can be parried comes just press E "On timing" then continue DPS. Hes actually very sticky to a boss since he has all this gap closers. The only thing thats hard is the Heron.
"We've seen multiple betas of them. It's nothing crazy new..." For ya'll who haven't learned not to binge closed betas, yeah. For those of us who have, still great. A lot of people really need to learn not to hardcore binge games in betas and then expect them to be chock full of new content and shit at release. That's not how game development works. *Wouldn't feel like a "lack of content" if you didn't binge the beta for dozens of hours and then binged release for dozens more.* Also, a change from a closed beta to release isn't a "nerf". The character you once knew never was. During beta after getting more feedback they shifted their vision for the core combat of the game and that's perfectly acceptable.
the best gachacast ever pokke, more of people like this that actually understand the game to the point where it is also sort of teach the audience of how the mechanic games works, and definitely bring more of sweetily
they are already complaining about endgame content? this game is only out, one week ago i'm still not done with most of the stuff yet LOL, i'm busy working 🤣🤣 Edit: who's that vtuber? I feeel like i can sleep pretty easily and happily, when she is doin ASMR
I mean you don't even have to reach the endgame to kinda judge & see what the game has to offer for endgame. Like, they have towers ( similar to abyss in genshin ) & one time reward hologram bosses, but then that's all.
I can say as a mobile player jianxin is probably the best character in the game even with lower numbers all of her autos counter and the skill auto counter just staggers so many bosses that she can basically cheese the game
I feel what Mtashed is saying but DOUBLE the game would be two weeks before feeling it was dry instead of one, lol. I can't really think of any game that lasts two weeks to grind playing hardcore without PVP or grind based stalling (MMOs). Granblue Fantasy Relink, Armored Core, Elden Ring. There's no way it took anyone two weeks to cap those playing like this. I don't think more content is the answer, but rather making more of the content they have: -Risk of Rain 2-like roguelike mode that actually uses the Open World (I can't understand why anyone would make a world this large and NOT use it for almost every mode) -Monster Hunter style boss hunts (again in the OW) with coop (soloable, probably by whales and cracked players, but let people invite cracked friends so casuals can finish too, and cracked players can show off) -Dynamic competitive scoring systems in the endgame modes where time is the least weighted factor (similar to DMC where the more varied and stylish the higher the score) where people's creativity will give months of content just with the players currently in the game. Simply getting rewards for each unique team you use in each mode, max rewards for solos. -Coop Siege/City Defense where mobs and bosses raid the cities and players have to defend all the entrances, etc. -"Handbooks" for each character that has specific bounty quests that can only be completed by the character for small amounts of gems and items. More stuff like this where the rewards are all in-game cosmetics both for high scores and complete RNG drops during to motivate everyone to play them. Also, add gear refining items (selectors, rerolls) so people can slowly perfect builds by playing these other modes as well. This is the easiest way I can think of to have long-term not progression-based content that doesn't require new content and power creep. These games really scuff the content they provide by incentivizing only doing everything once. Rewards for using ALL of the characters in all of the content and the game almost becomes overwhelming without adding anything new. (Obviously, use trial characters if people do not have the characters, which will probably in the long run encourage people to pull more anyway).
@@johannebasanot really because it is 1.0. No one expected you to max out every characters in the game in just 1 version of the game and beat everything.
@@awaidz chixia slides using her skill and it doesnt count as a dodge iirc so something like that is pointless to add or uh you just wanna see the skirt?
@@think1965 no bro 💀, just a mechanic that applies to all characters. Something like cod running slide stuff. They can add the slide animations into for example if you're running long enough and you suddenly stop the character will slide, or like my top comment another additional button for it to slide while running. Not to put it as a dodge mechanic just an animation after running or something. You could use it for like if you're almost running out of stamina or something so you have the option to do slide which extends it. Its kinda the same thing as what Tectone mentioned, they couldve made the gliding rely on how long you run so it glides faster etc.. same thing for running. Even something like crouching could be a fun mechanic too. Just these few extra things i honestly could imagine it can bring alot more for the hardcore players and aswell as the casuals to enjoy no?
Mtashed had some really poor takes. I used to watch his content during Genshin's early days and he's just repeating the same cycle of burning through a game, only to later complain it doesn't have enough content or an "endgame" for him. The game has been out for under 3 weeks(?) by now, and he's already disappointed at the lack of an endgame or further content. You'd think the guy would learn by now.. I honestly feel Sweetily is probably the most knowledgeable (and reasonable) towards looking at the problems/solutions with many open variables, vs arguing in simply black or white outcomes.
The chance that you hit all the stats you want get's worse as you get to tune further. 5/13 to 1/3 to 3/11 to 1/5 to 1/9 = 1/1287 or 0.000777. Out of just daily content assuming the trend follows tell max level. The max premium tuners you are gonna get per tacet field is 25 and you can only run 4 tacet fields a day. Assuming you don't spend your waveplates on anything else that means you can only tune 10 times a day. 300 times a month. Meaning that you can only theoretically get a perfect echo about every four months. Taking 20 months to get a full perfect echo team for one character and that is pretty much not spending waveplates on anything else and still that is being generous. This could be seriously alleviated by just giving substat rerolls once you max out an echo. Meaning every time you reroll the substat there is a max 1/9 chance for every individual reroll to get what you want. Rather then a 1/1287 chance to get an echo that is going to give you everything you want. While spending resources and having to start from scratch if it fails. Then adding the ability to lock a substat and reroll how effective the substat is on top of that. It would still take time, but be way less taxing to get perfect echoes. Rerolling could also cost 5 tuners instead of 10 to unlock giving you more chances to reroll.
No hate but can Mtashed just stop having opinions on gacha games. Dude plays 12-16hrs a day and whining about not having enough content. Bro wants gacha games to be like MMO while actively ignoring existing MMO games. Wtf is wrong with this guy? Majority of the gacha players spend less than an hr on these games. Even after 2weeks since this video I'm sure many players are still doing MSQ. Can this guy for the love of god just accept the genre and its playerbase for what it is for once..SMH
the amount of content argument is a wrong one. Compare with Genshin on its release, Genshin was dead once you got past a certain point. Heck, Genshin still has that problem but there's just a lot more content to get through before you're at that point now. In comparison, WuWa has at least shown more initiative in making endgame farm/challenge that appeals. The real problem with WuWa is that the story fluctuates between meh and really really dumb. The doll cult quest for instance, dumbest I've seen in ages. And that the game runs poorly.
As a 43 union level mobile player it is doable. Definitely the less animation cancel focus units are easier. I’ve done a few Holograms and The Hazard Zone too quite far but yes the camera and targeting can drive me crazy. Honestly I can’t wait for them to release it on console 😂
I believe that HSR is so popular cuz it's the easiest of the main huge gachas to play on mobile. I've lost interest in Genshin since it was impossible to play effectively during trips. Let's see how WuWa fares with controller support on mobile...
36:51 the real reason why boothill is in the dumps as tectone says which hes wrong btw is because Fire Fly is on the horizon. all hsr players know that
@@redcv6706i was also kinda disappointed I was waiting for this game to give me more pulls in genshin. Guess the « genshin killer » miss the mark again
4 weathering waves, content creators , “there’s not enough to do” TechTone. You’re all wrong. Genshin players who are happy with the game Tech tone,,, there’s not enough conten, you’re all wrong. And he wonders why he gets called a shell .
HSR events need to tone down the dumb tutorial tho. Like little man we know this shit is impossible to fail, either add the fking skip button or dont yap for useless shit i'm not gonna read anyway
It's the same reason why mtashed and tectone are hated in the Genshin community, they ignore everything, play for views and pull content then complain about lack of content, while it was valid in Genshin overtime, it wasn't valid during Genshin's early days
After listening to this podcast, I understand now why Genshin Impact doesn't allow people to skip dialogue. If players could skip through content faster, they might complain that there is nothing to do. However, this is exclusively a problem for content creators and hardcore players tho. (A skip option is much better, I'm just saying maybe that is why miHoYo doesn't add one)
The biggest complaint for CN players are the story written is horrible. I don’t play English so not sure if English is any better, without the skip option will break most player because people for most part just want to get to the actions, the game as current stand even with skip option dialogue is till too long, the story is just not that interesting.
@@haihenghyes it's 1.0, rarely are the start interesting, remember Mondstadt 1.0? The only good 1.0 was HSR, Belobog was pretty interesting and well presented.
I think for most casual players they should focus on purple relics, take them to +5 and if you don't get Crit Rate you just move on to the next piece and feed it to the next one if its HP/Def/Offset Element. Crit Damage is useless without crit rate. Save your Gold Relics for when you're level 90 and you can possibly get more echoes
I totally disagree. You don’t wanna waste your xp on purple echoes. You shouldn’t level 1 cost echoes more than 5 and boss echoes over 10, but for the 3 cost ones you could max it out only if it’s really good, and only if you don’t have a gold option. The amount of exp wasted is insane doing what you said. I did this mistake so am talking out of regret. The main stat gap between purple and gold echoes is so big that the gold echoes will almost always outshine a good purple one. In short, 3 cost purple echoes are the only ones worth to level.
Only 3 cost echoes that are on set with the correct DMG bonus are worth leveling if they're purple. 4 costs can be farmed very easily, and you can abuse the 100% guarantee drop rate bug. 1 costs can be a bit grindy but they're more abundant on the map than 3 costs. So only level purple 3 cost echoes.
IMO they should implement character's tutorials exactly like HI3, where there's a stage for EVERY SINGLE MECHANIC for the character, even its rotation with its optimal team
I'm mobile player i hope during combat i can remove map and othr smoll page icon completely it's annoying cuz i can't replace its position with other button Like man i had to make the analog smoll to put othr button nicely in the left I know barly use analog during combat but still need to move around and i want to play with 4 finger too, only 2 fingers is meh I prefer pgr even tho pgr got more buttons Had to play slowly to dodge boss next move but with 4 fingers i can fast combat and ezly dodge at same time
I def feel like the streamers are heavily underrating the content thats currently in the game, in part because they've been playing the game for more hours than the average player every single day. 1.0 wuwa has 100% more content than 1.0 genshin. You can't tell me base mondstadt and base liyue is bigger or denser than the current map. I cleared most of 1.0 genshin exploration in 3 days. After exploring for more than that amount of time, i still don't have all of the waypoints in wuwa. Not only that, but wuwa has significantly more diverse environments than 1.0 genshin. 1.0 genshin had... grass... more grass... stormy grass... mountains... grass... meanwhile wuwa has a huge spiky mountains, beautiful trees, landmarks to explore like a haunted piano, and a giant mine with an ice cavern at the bottom.
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Editor, next time mute everyone except Sweetily, thanks!
yes
Including pokke? lol
@@brennandk yes
Based af
Noway she talks way too muxh
I also think these people see things as black and white, casual and hardcore ( Xiao boyfriend roleplayer VS Union level 40 , max stars Tower of adversity on week 1 ) but i think the reality is split in 3 ( Casual / Normal / No Life Jobless Goblin or Streamer ), Normal players want endgame, normal players grind for their gear, they do eveything, but we just don't do it 10 hours a day, 7 days a week, practicing hidden animation canceling tech and learning boss patterns by sound queues. And i think 60% of players probably qualify in this category.
that is all the truth
Very accurate opinion, except I'd say 60% is very low of an estimate. I'd guess ATLEAST 80%, but honestly probably 90% of total players are casual/normal. Playing the game full-time is something a minority of players will do.
Bro. That's casual gamer.
If someone goes below that, they aint even a gamer. They're role-playing as gamer.
with time they might try to dip their toes into the tech if they really like the character
@@alexfrank5331 i feel like i can smell your body odor from that response.
I love how Sweetily is unironically the most savage of the group.
mstashed is like a boy that gets excited at a new toy and gets bored after playing with it for one day
He may have ADHD as well as Pokke, both said.
@@planetary-rendez-vous he said it that he had adhd last year
i’m simple woman , i see Sweetily i click.
holy shit same
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I hate her trash voice
It's like they want an mmo game out of wuwa. they no lifed the game, grind it for 10 to 20 hours a day and expecting it to have more content.
While most casuals that can squeeze hours or two per day still has a lot of content to do.
It really is streamer brainrot for sure. I've played about 20-25 hours or so since release and I just finished the story and just hit acct level 30, so still have tons and tons of content left. And even my 20 or so hours is probably a bit above average for a gacha game. This is the problem with being a gacha creator, you're spending 10 hours a day on games designed to be played for 20 minutes a day.
Don't you think it's good that they test the limits on advance so the player base knows what's on the way?
@@Raven3557 Sure, but I think what OP (and others) are pointing out is that they spend more than an average players time grinding through all the content the game has to offer, only to then complain there's not enough content or "endgame".
We saw similar (imho dumb) arguments with Genshin as well.
@@OwlskiTV the only thing I notice is that the average player complains about no end game, with with 3-6 months delay
Mtashed: i am at level 36 ryt now and...
Tectone: i am at level 35 ryt now but i can get to 36 if i use my cubes..
Sweetily: (in a sweet voice) i am at level 38 ryt now and will try to reach 40 this week...
Ryt? Thats a first
@@leandrecook179people so lazy they're cutting down 5 letter words into 3
@@jittu_1462 nobody says that though, it’s rn.
@@jittu_1462 😂 yeah i don’t get it
nah you should use 'ryite now' instead.
Sweetily should be a staple of every podcast. She is so knowledgeable when it comes to game mechanics (in stark contrast to Teccy) it´s insane. What a queen.
ofc lol what does tectone know.. unless he yapping how he hates genshin impact without actually saying anything good about wuwa. sweetily is sensei. she is godly intelligent unlike that bald mofo.
Womp
@@silverdemon1530 you forgot the second one >:(
@@titandarknight2698 womp
Sweetily and Fob were so legit compared to Tash and Teccy when it came to mechanics. Pokke being a spectator in his podcast as usual 🤣
viewer 😅
They offer different perspectives for the game. Mtash offers the casual mmo player pov that likes gameplay. Tectone offers a hardcore player pov that watches guides, tierlists, and tech, but really only plays for fun. Fob offers the min max hardcore no Iifer player pov that goes deep into the game. Pokke is pokke. And sweetily is cute, and offers a super hardcore whale pov that enjoys the game for what it is.
It's really diverse and great for a discussion on the future of a game. If you look at WoW and OW for example, the podcasts and discussions often only have super hardcore players talking about how the game should be. And that basically ruined those two games, because the devs listened to only the super hardcore players. (WoW became unreasonably complex and completely unplayable without plugins, and OW became really unfun and had terrible gamefeel only catering to super hardcore gameplay)
And then there is you, a nobody commenting a TH-cam video
And then there is you, a nobody commenting on a TH-cam video
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Tectone devastated at 12:30 after hearing Yinlin doesn't need Calcharo from a Sensei.
I never watched Sweetily before this podcast. She was great, can't wait to watch more of her content
One thing that has to be kept in mind with streamer feedback, and I’m a fan of all these guys, is that your regular person does not have the time to put so many hours in.
If someone put 100 hours into Elden Ring and complained about a lack of content, people would think they’re crazy. But to put 100 hours into a gacha and say, I’m running out of things to do…IMO yeah, you should be 😆
It creates a narrative that isn’t relatable to the majority of the playerbase.
true normal people dont play 10h/day
This is a good ass comment. If I heard someone like these guys say there wasn't enough content in like a JRPG that offers hundreds of hours of content I'd think they're just fucking nuts.
Mtashed needs to play an MMO
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He always goes through the same cycle
dudes played tons of gachas now, for years and still doesnt fucking know what a gacha game is lol
@@zap7737and his dumb fans keep bandwagoning every decision too
@@zap7737 yeah still rushes through it like crazy. Say it’s the best thing ever. Then dog on it for not allowing him to have content 18 hours a day
I plan to play jianxin, yinlin, mortefi team. jianxin ulti+heavy attacks to trigger both yinlin and mortefi coordinate attacks. The screen is gonna go wild
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You can also play this team with Bailu main dps and just hold her heavy attack infinitely and auto heal
@@QMS9224bailu? I didnt know Bailu is in wuwa😂
@@QMS9224 its Baizhi bro
hahaha bailu
Someone needs to tell mtashed to go play a non gacha fr. I feel like he didn't get it when they said it. This is not how gacha games work, fundamentally they cannot operate like that.
Also... anyone else laugh whenever tectone started making faces anytime something negative was said.
Sweetily Rawr melted me, her voice is so soothing, respectfully listening.
She’s copy paste every other VR chick. I don’t know why they go for that autistic voice
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Yeah timestamp please
19:22
Look at all the simp 😂. Probably some dude in the basement with a voice changer and yall creaming in your pants 💀
This has been my favorite gacha podcast so far. Seems more like a conversation of people enjoying the game. Perfect amount of people. Great cast. Good job pokke!!
Lppp
Don't think mtashed is enjoying the game with the constant whining he does
@@ymw1107 Trust me when I say, he whines about every game he playes with no fail
mtash should just play mmo instead not gacha XD
This girl knows a lot fr. 💯 Gamer.
This discussion feels a lot like cc's who no-life'd the game and played it nonstop who are out of touch with the typical gacha gamer who can only afford an hour or two at most a day. No normal player is coming anywhere close to running out of content right now. Mtashed suggesting DOUBLE the content feels especially out of touch to me. I mean, of course I would love more content, but double? There's already so much!
exactly
This, everyone isn’t no lifeing the game and clearing all the content as fast as the cc’s.
@@EclipseNguyen Yeah. Funnily, Tectone seems to be the only one who gets it due to his casual approach to the game.
10:00 No cap Tectone in this podcast is very freaking salty.. like bro, can't be acting like a kid all the time. Well at least at the start. I know cuz he basically stan for Calcharo and everyone is basically saying his "MID" af.. and I know this cuz his animations are too flashy that it's basically dps loss.
51:00 I think Sweetily was saying about is basically the same for Arknights.. basically challenge stages in order to test people how to "Fully Utilize a character" at their max potential. Special stages to clear. Though in my opinion just improving Illusive Realm is much more worth the time.
58:00 Ima be honest, I think they should just focus the game for "HARDCORE" players. cuz I think they will never ever ever ever manage to steal the casual players from genshin, not to mention if Azure Promilla drops it would be like the 2nd most casual af game. So they would have to fight 3 way with this one. Instead they should just focus on the Hardcore players that way they just have a single dedicated community who just wants to tackle harder contents. Sure it's like a drop in revenue somewhat, but also the people who would inevitably spend are hardcore players who really wants to be on top leaderboards.
1:36:52 I genuinely wish MTASH finally gets his spot at POE2. I would 100% wish his viewers support him on PEO2. he definitely doesn't fit on Gacha games.. no cap. I wish he reaches that million subs at POE2. I will 100% support him. and I wish the other gacha streamers try to do it too.
Also I only play Wuthering waves and Honkai Star rail. as my gacha games.. and I play those 2 at least just max an hour and prob min 15-30 minutes. so that's 1 hour min and 2 hours max for the 2 games. Since I also play other main game, mainly single player games.
the problem with mtashed is that he gets bored easily after grinding the content for hours and hours, he can't really expect a gacha game to work like an MMO. and also, it looks like he doesn't really want to play something that his followers will not watch. like most of his community plays gacha games, he's scared that if he played something like elden ring then his viewers would decrease. idk if i make sense but im guessing he wants a gacha game that he can treat as mmo and that can give him viewers, then why doesn't he try idk like tower of fantasy (im not sure if it's mmo and how it works but ik creators tag is as mmo) or pgr that apparently has lots of endgame. nobody rlly streams these games as much so yeah....
19:10 pokke so down bad its relatable fr
she sounds so happy
Was literally about to comment this 😂 bro so god damn happy
Typical Tashed burnout
He's gonna drop the game in about a month, guaranteed
He's quitting, tend to his 2 kids , 2 houses , hockey bla bla bla
how many "I'm quitting/I'm restarting" vid's will he make this time?
Yeah I kinda get tired of it ,he does it to himself ,then he will do a bunch of I'm quitting I'm burnt out videos even though it's quite literally his fault he runs out of content
The guy already asks for new content when there is like 100+ hours of content released a week ago. Even more if you decide to complete the explorations. The average playtime is about 2 hours per day. About 1/3 of players play more than 3 hours per day. Imagine playing 2 months of content in a week and then complain about the lack of content or burnout lol
Pls edit the title...and put Sweetily name first among the others 🥰🤣
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PODCAST W. I will say, for mtashed, I think he should try black desert online or lost ark. Those two games have a ton of content and the combat is really good. Black desert also has some of the most fun PvP and Pve imo.
Cuz it sounds like he wants an MMO instead of a gacha game LOL.
Yeah definitely
No sheet, those games has been out for years
Nah he is just yapping, he had ToF which was exactly what he wanted but he dropped it, he doesn't know what he wants, he's just trying to find something to stay relevant in the gacha space
@@Hhhh22222-w I mean, while he has a point into needing more content, I don’t think it needs more content NOW. I’d like to see the stuff he’s asking for later into the game’s lifespan. But on launch? This is a good amount of content to do, he’s just burning through it since he has like an e1 s1 Jiyan.
Mtashed just needs to understand that most people aren’t playing as long as him, and still have plenty of content to do. He wants a complete game at 1.0, and I think he just needs to let the game cook a little longer.
You have to see mtashed perspective. I think if after killing mobs 50 times you got like 5 premium tuner he would be happy. He does not want infinite content, he wants to not be gated by stamina. "Oh then dont play a gacha". Thing is gachas make shit tons of money and he is hoping with that money they could create the best game in all of existence by not catering for money and instead for fun. Thats what he wants. So imagine if you could reach union level 40 by grinding 24h, maybe make it super tedious and shit, so stamina refreshes are still viable and still just more efficient time wise by a lot. But endless grinding is still possible and progression doable. TLDR: Make perfect game with gacha money, and not gate progression with stamina.
i just wished they added more visuals to show if we have a buff, because there is no way they expect us to know when 14 seconds is over during the middlenof a fight
I want a mechanic where you can recycle echoes you dont want for exp. For ex: a purple echo will give purple exp and a yellow exho will give yellow echo exp
Holy L takes from Mtashed, as usual. The guy just needs to stop playing gacha games. They aren't for him. He literally speedruns all the content right away then always complains about having nothing to do and effectively doomposts about the game even though it's still in 1.0. He did this exact same thing, almost word for word, last year with HSR. He needs to play games that have a beginning and an end from the get-go instead.
I don't think there's any need to worry about the game's content at this point. Need to let them cook for a while. I agree that the event is shit though.
Anyway, fun podcast. Sweetily was the highlight of the podcast. She's very knowledgeable and informative and I actually learned some new things about the game thanks to her. Love her sweet voice. Everyone else were great too, fob and Tectone's banter is always funny, and Pokke being a mute even in his own podcast.
I think mostly everyone had interesting things to say and there were some really thought provoking arguments. Some I agree with, others I don't. This was almost a perfect lineup honestly. Would love to see you guys do this again. I think this amount of members for a podcast is good.
Why is bro pressed over a podcast?
@@Ayzal88819 Why is bro pressed over a comment?
@@Ayzal88819One paragraph highlighting a bad take from Mtashed then proceeding to say positive things about the rest = pressed over podcast, great analytical thinking lil bro
@@Hhhh22222-w called having an opinion, some people like rushing through a game and yet want more content to be there nothing wrong with that. Just because his opinion is different than yours doesnt make it a bad take, “lil bro”
Other people have said this, but mtashed really should consider pushing into the mmorpg space, feels like a kind of of game he would jell with more, doesn't have the same views and money in it though for youtube.
Tectone being the subjective casual representative in the podcast is funny to me 😂😂😂 its not a bad thing its just funny. everyone is knowledgeable and he's like a student cluelessly watching at a live forum of experts trying to interject with calcharo this and that trying to contribute atleast a little bit 😂😂😂
It's a Genshin clone that uses shameless ripped off elements of both Genshin and Star rail, I'm going to quit probably once Tarisland and zzz comes out
Even though you may eventually quit playing Wuwa, I hope you atleast have fun trying it out
55:00 there's also golden vortex, border control, norman revival, Tower of babel, and recitivo di fantasia.
PGR's endgame modes are crazy good
We dont talk about Recitivo do Fantasia
We have Cursed Waves too don't forget
actually there’s a way in pgr that go for both casual and hardcore and that’s the difficulty level(shocking right?)
in pain cage in pgr If you’re doing hardest difficulty (another hader level for TOA if there is) you get more exclusive currency (TOA triangle thing) per week but here’s the kicker these currency can give you *duplicate for any character you have*
but isn’t that gonna lower the money they spend? well they *limit the amount of dupe you can get for that character* so it didn’t completely ruin themselves plus it’s encouraged any player to the mindset of “if only I can get 1 of this character I can farm for C1 no problem” and pull for more on character they plan to skip
TOA problem solved aside another end game mode “battlefield “ or just say it “wuthering waves”
basically enemy that come in waves with time limit the more you kill the higher in leaderboard the better reward as well.
battlefield currency can be trade for universal weapon dupe but took a longer time to get one than pain cage due to dupe limit per character. there will be no limit dupe you can get for any weapon but in return took longer time to get 1.
another mode is guild&raid boss in pgr.
this mode is easy because it’s multiplayer for all level and there’s trail characters for low level player to tackle on.
this mode didn’t do much more than give currency to decorate your guild and give basic resources/material upgrades which is really needed in Wuwa.
another one is Norman. basically there’s a big buff minion&boss in this zone which require 2+ team to win you can choose to 1.tackle this minion&boss with big buff head on or 2.go around and kill the support that give buff to this minion group & boss first then go kill regular minion & boss.
now this Norman currency is interesting is because it give upgrade to your pet, and if this mode transfer to Wuwa…echo skill upgrade might not be that far off since we do have buff echo skill present in roguelike mode
just thinking about these coming to Wuwa is really exciting and I hope the dev do so too.
nah if they add pain cage on wuwa the rewards should just be gems and exp.
@@ieatwalnut9088 oh I forget to mention it. all these new currency can be trade for basic upgrade stuff as well
Yet again MTashed plays a game for 20 hours a day for 7 days straight after release and is confused why there isn’t much to do now, HSR all over again 😂
40:45 Tectone saying this after repeatedly blaming genshin players for the lack of endgame content because theyre happy with the game is crazy to me
baldie always says the opposite to trigger people and get a reaction xD
It’s not that crazy. It’s spite. He hates the community.
Tectone is a loudmouth and a dummy, but the lies spread about him are numerous. I’m not surprised at all.
He's talking about the launch of Wuwa, whereas Genshin has been out for almost 4 years.
there's a lot of hypocritical takes from him through all of this
@@ryoujiarisato7308 Write them down for us to see
wuthering waves IS bigger when compared to 1.0-1.1 genshin ... well its not that its bigger, its that its more content dense ... we really didnt have much in mondstad and liyue
48:05 i personally am spamming tacet fields in order to get echo exp. cause i ran out of them and i barely have 2 characters with lvled up echoes, not even 1 has perfect stats. i barely have my main dps with 2 %elemt dmg piece and % crit as main stat. , rest is like atk% or HP%. and tuner subs are ass.
That's why in their discussion they said they just roll the first 2 subs for cdmg and crate since the investment for +10 is so low compared to +25 since we can hardcore farm the overworld
L take mtashed lmao couple days?! I'm union 32 not far but still play every day. Haven't even considered endgame still farming and exploring.
The biggest thing about this game is that Exploration doesnt feel like a chore, I hate exploration in genshin, but in Wuwa I've already did some 100% with no burnout on the horizon
This. I'm not a big fan of Open World games so exploration was such a chore for me in Genshin. In WuWa, I actually like running around because of how much faster traversal is, plus I enjoy fighting TDs so hunting them around the map and clearing chests along the way feels good.
it's because the game is new. I don't think anyone will enjoy spending 10 hours every new patch just to do the exploration. It happened to me in Genshin, I cleared 100% in mondstadt and and liyue, but getting burn out when I tried to do sumeru and completely ignored exploration now. I want content, but it should be fun and satisfying, not mindless grinding.
@@vietanh2101 well I hated genshin exploration since I started playing 2 years ago so hmmm
Trust me. With this Echo farming economy, you'll get sick of Wuwa's open world in 2 months max. (Assuming you farm for Echo every day).
@@zendao7967 maybe but then I've never had issues with Hsr, so its not like I change my mind on things, I love genshin but it has a lot but a lot of issues and devs are stupid
I can't be the only one that doesn't want more content, this early, right? I feel like there is so much I can do still for end game, and I am at level 35. If anything, I rather they spend their time with the server optimization, and someway to display buffs would be nice. Game has been insanely fun tho. Also Sweetily buff for the clicks 🎉
It wouldn't harm you at all if there was more content then??
@@seizerkb3225 Technically not. It's just more that I would need to keep track of. I definitely wouldn't be mad if they added more, as they would just look to be improving the gameplay options
FR I felt insane when I heard that bc I feel like there’s so much content already 😂 if it was even level gated at all, it unlocked so early too. I’m level 30 feel like there’s still a lot of content I haven’t tried lol
I feel like the only people who would need more are people who played CBT2 too much like myself. Otherwise learning the hologram fights and echo farming is enough gameplay until the combat event and altogether should be enough for most people until 1.1.
You're not, I pretty much went no-life mode on last Saturday just so I can play very casually after that 😂
Tho I can understand why these guys want more content because they need stream content.
I Don't Agree With All Of You guys.
If U Want More Difficulties Then Just Use Mobile Instead Of PC.
It'd Be Tenfold Harder For U
At this point, Mtashed needs to just play MMO instead of Gacha games.
True he should play Black Desert Mobile
"Sweetily" Beg For More Difficulties?
Just Use Mobile Instead Of PC & You'll See What "Difficult" Means
38:48 Delusional that spending $400 on a single game isn't a lot. Nioh 2 has way deeper combat, better mechanics, better camera, better boss design, and it's a single payment of $39.
i just feel like Mtash just want a new mmorpg with a good raid
tectone gotta be craziest Calcharo Shill
its Diluc 2.0 to him
the meat riding is crazy doesnt even want to listen to the others
Womp womp we love lightning daddy
hes f2p he cant swap to other character.
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This is an issue MMOs always run into it; Trying to teach players how to be better at the game. Even if you make more tutorials, most people won't care. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. At the end of the day if a player truly cares about improving then they'll put in the effort to find the fan made resources that explain how. If they don't care about improving then they won't and no amount of hand holding or in game tips will change that.
One thing Wuwa can add is for the character's tutorial they just demonstrate their recommended lines up and the combo rotation, swap rotation to maximize dmg then let player try the combo and can replay the demonstration just like what Honkai impact 3rd do for new character
Yeah i love that in honkai 3, and i hope they add that too in wuwa
Wuwa will run into content drought since its not mmo level of content. If they make it too grindy, people will hate it that way too. But I think they will release higher level fights after most playerbase get relatively close to lv 50ish
Poor mtashed. Plays so hard and can't get enough. Game is only 1.0!
The one drawback of day one gaming a gacha is having to wait for content and waiting for the bugs to be ironed out. I'm not sure how much faster they can release content to keep up with the 5% who go hard and want to be sweaty.
As for exploration, experienced gamers know what to look for and find everything quickly.
@@jamin3131tbh Im not even looking for chests or puzzle I just get them when I encounter them. So that everytime I explore the open world or farm echoes I can stumble upon them makes the echo hunting a little bit fun.
Everyone is worried about content or hard modes, I think there needs to be patience. Let Kuro cook and give them the space to bring over PGR-like end game. Don't think it will assuage any anxiety about it until it releases, but I do have more trust in Kuro. They got a lot of plates spinning right now, games still a baby which just popped out. Think its going to be a fine wine with age, give it a few months. PGR had tons of banger patches, gonna ramp hard once they hit their stride.
Phantom Cage with holograms in endgame
@@tenshifx bro why 💀😭
They need to focus more on core areas, that are essential to retaining players. The combat is amazing, so they're fine there.
What they need to focus on majorly, is story, and localization.
The story is so meh, until act 5 and 6. It's filled with so much mumbo jumbo jargon that is not well explained at all, yet the jargon is used so much as if it expects you to know what each nonsensical word actually means. They need to actually explain the lore behind the words, and give actual examples and scenes to give some weight behind their fantastical words. Otherwise, it just sounds like fancy word salads, with no meaning behind it. Just trying to say big words to sound impressive, but making the audience yawn and check out as they do.
Also, I'm sincerely hoping the writers get a bit better at pacing in the future. I understand they changed writers from Acts 1-4 to a different writer for Acts 5-6 (good move BTW. The talent difference is clear between them, and definitely noticeable improvement in quality). But, the overarching plot, goal, and more needs to be better expanded on. We just feel like a person that just reacts to things, while wandering about aimlessly without a real goal. Recover our memories, but that's fairly generic since they've already basically revealed who we were this early. So, what's the goal now?
On top of that (and this next one ties into the localization issues), our main supporting cast. At least from what we can tell.
YangYang. Her English VA for her is terrible. It's not even a matter of lack of direction, her voice doesn't fit. And the technical quality of her sound gear makes it sound like she's a centimeter from the mic, and we can hear her spitting into it every time she talks. Combined with how emotionless and bored she sounds with it, it really sounds like she didn't even try, compared to several of the other Vas. Which is a problem, because she appears to be the poster girl of the game, outside of our MC.
After hearing her talk throughout the story, I'm sincerely hoping we leave her behind when we leave this country. So I don't have to listen to the VA anymore.
And then after her, we now have another mascot character after Act 6.....yay (sarcasm).
So our supporting cast for our MC is pretty rough compared to other games out there.
This kind of stuff makes me wanna just skip all the dialogue and custscenes. Fast skip the whole story.
And guess what happens when the story doesn't matter to you? The hype for future characters and patches drops tremendously. You don't care much to see what happens next, and you really only come back to see about, every once in a blue moon, new end game content drops. Because if the story doesn't matter, only that will retain your attention.
And that's not sustainable long term.
The story and characters need to be good. For this game to go the distance and last a long time. Competing with certain other giants out there.
@Aizen2468 true, I finished the ending and I still dont know what is the goal of rover 😂
@@90377Se Rover wants to regain his/her memories. Rover is basically searching to understand his/her past so they will know their purpose, so Rover doesn't have a clear objective yet.
I think some of the issue with the game feeling shorter than Genshin is also that we now have 3+ years of Genshin experience so it’s easier to endgame. I’ll bet for players where this is their first gacha, they are taking as long as we did in Genshin bc they are still learning the tropes
I'm f2p on mobile and I cleared diff 4 on every hologram and diff 5 on heron, I feel like people are making mobile seem worse than it is because they're not used to it. I would probably play pretty bad on PC too.
Lingyang is the yangqing of WuWa cool design fun playstyle but everyone else just does more dmg with less setup. also wish they kept his more animalistic design and mortefi dragon tail
I feel like people genuinely forget this isn’t meant to be a full game, it’s supposed to be a gacha game first and foremost
Real. Gacha. These grown ass men need multiple games to entertain their audience. We salary men play 30 min per day.
Wouldv ebeen cool if you got bo3 esk levels of movement challenges, we have the wall running and grappling, you an echo for movement, we have double jumps and triple jumps.
The event had potential but it boiled down to genshin events where its grapple on this so a booster will send you striaght then grapple on this rinse repeat.
And its not like they dont know how to do good movement challenges they had the overdash with the base world, imagine what they could do with the custom arenas they could make
Why does it feel like im being warmily embraced everytime Sweetily speaks? is that 'working as intended'? What a cracked CC buff to have....
Good Pod Fam. Keep Wuthering those Waves! 🌊🌊
25:55 If you have his E charged up it's one of the best tools to use for parrying. You can actually just spam hitting and when a move that can be parried comes just press E "On timing" then continue DPS.
Hes actually very sticky to a boss since he has all this gap closers. The only thing thats hard is the Heron.
Sweetily is legit the most adorable thing i’ve ever seen in my ENTIRE F*CKING LIFE.
if they let Lingyang keep his combo continuation after he perfect dodge, he would be much better
"We've seen multiple betas of them. It's nothing crazy new..." For ya'll who haven't learned not to binge closed betas, yeah. For those of us who have, still great. A lot of people really need to learn not to hardcore binge games in betas and then expect them to be chock full of new content and shit at release. That's not how game development works. *Wouldn't feel like a "lack of content" if you didn't binge the beta for dozens of hours and then binged release for dozens more.*
Also, a change from a closed beta to release isn't a "nerf". The character you once knew never was. During beta after getting more feedback they shifted their vision for the core combat of the game and that's perfectly acceptable.
🙌🏽🙌🏽
this
I did binge CBT2 but my expectations I feel are realistic. It's why I'm overall pretty happy with where the game is at
the best gachacast ever pokke, more of people like this that actually understand the game to the point where it is also sort of teach the audience of how the mechanic games works, and definitely bring more of sweetily
24:41 As A Mobile User I Can %100 Agree With That
they are already complaining about endgame content? this game is only out, one week ago
i'm still not done with most of the stuff yet LOL, i'm busy working 🤣🤣
Edit: who's that vtuber? I feeel like i can sleep pretty easily and happily, when she is doin ASMR
I mean you don't even have to reach the endgame to kinda judge & see what the game has to offer for endgame.
Like, they have towers ( similar to abyss in genshin ) & one time reward hologram bosses, but then that's all.
I can say as a mobile player jianxin is probably the best character in the game even with lower numbers all of her autos counter and the skill auto counter just staggers so many bosses that she can basically cheese the game
Sweetily cooking frame 1 is such a trademark Sweetily move frfr
Give me Alpha Crimson Weave
Bianca too,The 2 versions pls
I feel what Mtashed is saying but DOUBLE the game would be two weeks before feeling it was dry instead of one, lol. I can't really think of any game that lasts two weeks to grind playing hardcore without PVP or grind based stalling (MMOs). Granblue Fantasy Relink, Armored Core, Elden Ring. There's no way it took anyone two weeks to cap those playing like this.
I don't think more content is the answer, but rather making more of the content they have:
-Risk of Rain 2-like roguelike mode that actually uses the Open World (I can't understand why anyone would make a world this large and NOT use it for almost every mode)
-Monster Hunter style boss hunts (again in the OW) with coop (soloable, probably by whales and cracked players, but let people invite cracked friends so casuals can finish too, and cracked players can show off)
-Dynamic competitive scoring systems in the endgame modes where time is the least weighted factor (similar to DMC where the more varied and stylish the higher the score) where people's creativity will give months of content just with the players currently in the game. Simply getting rewards for each unique team you use in each mode, max rewards for solos.
-Coop Siege/City Defense where mobs and bosses raid the cities and players have to defend all the entrances, etc.
-"Handbooks" for each character that has specific bounty quests that can only be completed by the character for small amounts of gems and items.
More stuff like this where the rewards are all in-game cosmetics both for high scores and complete RNG drops during to motivate everyone to play them. Also, add gear refining items (selectors, rerolls) so people can slowly perfect builds by playing these other modes as well. This is the easiest way I can think of to have long-term not progression-based content that doesn't require new content and power creep.
These games really scuff the content they provide by incentivizing only doing everything once. Rewards for using ALL of the characters in all of the content and the game almost becomes overwhelming without adding anything new. (Obviously, use trial characters if people do not have the characters, which will probably in the long run encourage people to pull more anyway).
MTashed is tripping lmao
Bro its literally like what two weeks into the game and he's concerned about content?
Anyway
Teccy is the goat
Fob is also my goat
Based Pokke
I love Sweetily 🙏🏼
A valid one tho.
@@johannebasa You're either underage or a CC if you're concerned about content this early in the games lifespan
@@johannebasanot really because it is 1.0. No one expected you to max out every characters in the game in just 1 version of the game and beat everything.
@@johannebasaNah, not really.
petition to make sliding mechanics to all characters in wuwa 🙏 (Edit: I gotta reword my wordings better or else it can be a misunderstanding 💀)
Verina slides sort of but some quest do let you slide
@@think1965 nah like i meant after running if you tap ctrl or something you will chain with a slide after
@@awaidz chixia slides using her skill and it doesnt count as a dodge iirc so something like that is pointless to add or uh you just wanna see the skirt?
@@think1965 no bro 💀, just a mechanic that applies to all characters. Something like cod running slide stuff. They can add the slide animations into for example if you're running long enough and you suddenly stop the character will slide, or like my top comment another additional button for it to slide while running. Not to put it as a dodge mechanic just an animation after running or something. You could use it for like if you're almost running out of stamina or something so you have the option to do slide which extends it. Its kinda the same thing as what Tectone mentioned, they couldve made the gliding rely on how long you run so it glides faster etc.. same thing for running. Even something like crouching could be a fun mechanic too. Just these few extra things i honestly could imagine it can bring alot more for the hardcore players and aswell as the casuals to enjoy no?
@@awaidz ahh mb dawg i didnt know what you were unto
cat nilou spitting knowledge
Mtashed had some really poor takes.
I used to watch his content during Genshin's early days and he's just repeating the same cycle of burning through a game, only to later complain it doesn't have enough content or an "endgame" for him. The game has been out for under 3 weeks(?) by now, and he's already disappointed at the lack of an endgame or further content.
You'd think the guy would learn by now..
I honestly feel Sweetily is probably the most knowledgeable (and reasonable) towards looking at the problems/solutions with many open variables, vs arguing in simply black or white outcomes.
The chance that you hit all the stats you want get's worse as you get to tune further. 5/13 to 1/3 to 3/11 to 1/5 to 1/9 = 1/1287 or 0.000777. Out of just daily content assuming the trend follows tell max level. The max premium tuners you are gonna get per tacet field is 25 and you can only run 4 tacet fields a day. Assuming you don't spend your waveplates on anything else that means you can only tune 10 times a day. 300 times a month. Meaning that you can only theoretically get a perfect echo about every four months. Taking 20 months to get a full perfect echo team for one character and that is pretty much not spending waveplates on anything else and still that is being generous. This could be seriously alleviated by just giving substat rerolls once you max out an echo. Meaning every time you reroll the substat there is a max 1/9 chance for every individual reroll to get what you want. Rather then a 1/1287 chance to get an echo that is going to give you everything you want. While spending resources and having to start from scratch if it fails. Then adding the ability to lock a substat and reroll how effective the substat is on top of that. It would still take time, but be way less taxing to get perfect echoes. Rerolling could also cost 5 tuners instead of 10 to unlock giving you more chances to reroll.
No hate but can Mtashed just stop having opinions on gacha games.
Dude plays 12-16hrs a day and whining about not having enough content.
Bro wants gacha games to be like MMO while actively ignoring existing MMO games. Wtf is wrong with this guy?
Majority of the gacha players spend less than an hr on these games. Even after 2weeks since this video I'm sure many players are still doing MSQ.
Can this guy for the love of god just accept the genre and its playerbase for what it is for once..SMH
the amount of content argument is a wrong one. Compare with Genshin on its release, Genshin was dead once you got past a certain point. Heck, Genshin still has that problem but there's just a lot more content to get through before you're at that point now. In comparison, WuWa has at least shown more initiative in making endgame farm/challenge that appeals.
The real problem with WuWa is that the story fluctuates between meh and really really dumb. The doll cult quest for instance, dumbest I've seen in ages. And that the game runs poorly.
As a 43 union level mobile player it is doable. Definitely the less animation cancel focus units are easier. I’ve done a few Holograms and The Hazard Zone too quite far but yes the camera and targeting can drive me crazy. Honestly I can’t wait for them to release it on console 😂
I believe that HSR is so popular cuz it's the easiest of the main huge gachas to play on mobile. I've lost interest in Genshin since it was impossible to play effectively during trips. Let's see how WuWa fares with controller support on mobile...
36:51 the real reason why boothill is in the dumps as tectone says which hes wrong btw is because Fire Fly is on the horizon. all hsr players know that
Yeah saving for Firefly no time for cowboy rm
And still massively outsold WuWa, it turns out.
Can't wait for the nuclear Sensor Tower reactions from Teccy and Co. on this one.
@@eckology016it didn't, banner sales numbers aren't out yet
@@eckology016 bruh Baizhu/Wanderer reruns outsold WuWa's honeymoon phase....
@@redcv6706i was also kinda disappointed I was waiting for this game to give me more pulls in genshin. Guess the « genshin killer » miss the mark again
4 weathering waves, content creators , “there’s not enough to do”
TechTone. You’re all wrong.
Genshin players who are happy with the game
Tech tone,,, there’s not enough conten, you’re all wrong.
And he wonders why he gets called a shell .
HSR events need to tone down the dumb tutorial tho. Like little man we know this shit is impossible to fail, either add the fking skip button or dont yap for useless shit i'm not gonna read anyway
complaining about farming 50 monkies.
me with 3 days of full clearingn thunder herons and flautists and not getting a single electro % on element.
Good grief this chick knows the game lol. Teccy over there looking at the stars.
Idk why they are 100+ hours in complaining it’s not a complete game, I’m not even done with the damn story
It's the same reason why mtashed and tectone are hated in the Genshin community, they ignore everything, play for views and pull content then complain about lack of content, while it was valid in Genshin overtime, it wasn't valid during Genshin's early days
Coming back to this video after sweetily solo'd mephist with encore solidifies her being that much better than everyone else lmao
i hate mtashed more every time he opens his mouth and talks about "not enough content". dude says the same thing every time and is wrong every time.
I'm glad pokke is the one hosting this and not the bald guy, otherwise there will be a genshin mention every 5 minute.
I feel like the farming echos in the wild is already enough grind to satisfy my mmo grind itch
as sweetly they should try doing stuff like cod does with their guns for diamond skin but for each char that would be sick
That's not Tectone in the thumbnail, That's Scott Adkins 🤣
But the difference is that pgr always listened and they do even still. Wuwa is from the same devs.
Didn’t know Mtashed has criticism for the game, he never says them in his vids or clips.
After listening to this podcast, I understand now why Genshin Impact doesn't allow people to skip dialogue. If players could skip through content faster, they might complain that there is nothing to do. However, this is exclusively a problem for content creators and hardcore players tho. (A skip option is much better, I'm just saying maybe that is why miHoYo doesn't add one)
Tbh do you really wanna hear or read how paimon/npc1 yap for about 30 minutes per cutscene?
The biggest complaint for CN players are the story written is horrible. I don’t play English so not sure if English is any better, without the skip option will break most player because people for most part just want to get to the actions, the game as current stand even with skip option dialogue is till too long, the story is just not that interesting.
As opposed to clicking as fast as humanly possible in order to skip dialogue? Ah yes makes perfect sense, we can fully enjoy the story that way
@@haihenghyes it's 1.0, rarely are the start interesting, remember Mondstadt 1.0? The only good 1.0 was HSR, Belobog was pretty interesting and well presented.
I much prefer a skip option I was just saying mihoyo probably don’t add one for that reason
I think for most casual players they should focus on purple relics, take them to +5 and if you don't get Crit Rate you just move on to the next piece and feed it to the next one if its HP/Def/Offset Element. Crit Damage is useless without crit rate.
Save your Gold Relics for when you're level 90 and you can possibly get more echoes
I totally disagree. You don’t wanna waste your xp on purple echoes. You shouldn’t level 1 cost echoes more than 5 and boss echoes over 10, but for the 3 cost ones you could max it out only if it’s really good, and only if you don’t have a gold option.
The amount of exp wasted is insane doing what you said. I did this mistake so am talking out of regret.
The main stat gap between purple and gold echoes is so big that the gold echoes will almost always outshine a good purple one.
In short, 3 cost purple echoes are the only ones worth to level.
Only 3 cost echoes that are on set with the correct DMG bonus are worth leveling if they're purple.
4 costs can be farmed very easily, and you can abuse the 100% guarantee drop rate bug.
1 costs can be a bit grindy but they're more abundant on the map than 3 costs.
So only level purple 3 cost echoes.
I like this panel a lot. Hope you bring this group more often pok.
IMO they should implement character's tutorials exactly like HI3, where there's a stage for EVERY SINGLE MECHANIC for the character, even its rotation with its optimal team
I'm mobile player i hope during combat i can remove map and othr smoll page icon completely it's annoying cuz i can't replace its position with other button
Like man i had to make the analog smoll to put othr button nicely in the left
I know barly use analog during combat but still need to move around and i want to play with 4 finger too, only 2 fingers is meh
I prefer pgr even tho pgr got more buttons
Had to play slowly to dodge boss next move but with 4 fingers i can fast combat and ezly dodge at same time
Also loked camera.is annoying on mobile, my s21+ still lags even on medium
Genuine Takes is such a good fxxkin name for this kind of cast. Was there live for this, was a good listen to. We stan Sweetily!
I def feel like the streamers are heavily underrating the content thats currently in the game, in part because they've been playing the game for more hours than the average player every single day. 1.0 wuwa has 100% more content than 1.0 genshin. You can't tell me base mondstadt and base liyue is bigger or denser than the current map. I cleared most of 1.0 genshin exploration in 3 days. After exploring for more than that amount of time, i still don't have all of the waypoints in wuwa. Not only that, but wuwa has significantly more diverse environments than 1.0 genshin. 1.0 genshin had... grass... more grass... stormy grass... mountains... grass... meanwhile wuwa has a huge spiky mountains, beautiful trees, landmarks to explore like a haunted piano, and a giant mine with an ice cavern at the bottom.
These people mostly want mmo type systems