Michel Danino, a scholar of ancient India, gave a series of lectures on the Aryan issue at Amrita Vishwa Vidyapeetham, Amritapuri, in September 2015, discussing in detail some of the approaches to a solution.
Salutations to You Shri Michel Danino!!! Request all Indians to wake up to understanding more about their history and heritage. We take these things for granted.
Shri ??? Please read Riddles in Hinduism by ambedkar I don't want some random quotes as it is there in video. If you agree with this video. Then please read Riddles in Hinduism by Ambedkar. He has mentioned about Aryans and Aryan god.
@@ggamer7709 one problem with that is Hinduism is an umbrella term and is a set of ideas accumulated by several thinkers over this long course of period, so those ideas and thoughts are what is the present form religion, in fact there was no concept of religion in Indian subcontinent but just ideas debated and followed by everyone and all that got accumulated in our society and there is no denying that at some point people with certain interest have made changes in society for there benifits not unique to India but that is totally different issue but to say that few people in minority came from somewhere changed entire course of society is dumb as there are no evidence of any conflict between these settlement and no mass graves..
The Aryan invasion theory according to the British was that ancient Aryans invaded India at about 1500BC, driven out the Dravidians from their land, have imported the Hindu civilization along with the Sanskrit language from the steppes of central Asia (Kuhn, 1845, Max Muller, 1878, Childe, 1926, Elst, 1999; Trautmann, 2005). The theory was the justification for the British occupation of India. Although there was no archeological evidence to support this theory, it has become the most important doctrine on ancient Indian history. However, some recent archeological discoveries in India, Russia, and Japan have pushed back the antiquity of the Aryans to at least 9000 BC and proved beyond doubt that the ancient Aryans were not nomadic tribes from central Asia but had very advanced urban civilizations. India was possibly the original home of the Aryans. From India, the Aryan language and other languages of Aryan affinity came into existence due to the contact between the migrating Aryans and non-Aryans out of India (Mazumdar, 1917). The Vedic literature was the expression of the highly developed thoughts of the Aryans. If the Aryans had come to India from outside it would be natural to find some traces of their thoughts and literary activities in some of the places through which they had traveled. However, no such record has been discovered at any place. To suggest that the Aryans had attained the highly developed literary and intellectual acumen after coming into India does not justify the absence of any record whatsoever in any of the places through which they had traveled into India. Genetic Evidence for Westward Indo-Aryan expansion Recent DNA evidence shows that Europe experienced a massive population influx from the east, beginning around 4,500 years from the present. Several haplogroups were involved in this expansion, including the Indian-origin R1a1a. This was almost a total replacement event, which indicates that Indo-Aryans, among others, expanded westward into Europe and to a large extent, replaced indigenous European males and their Y-chromosome strata (Sharma and his associates, 2009) This genetic evidence indicates that several Y-chromosomal (patrilineal) lineages, one of which was the Indian-origin R1a1a, gave rise to the modern European population. Out of these lineages, R1a1a is the most widespread and numerous. 1. The R1a haplogroup originated in India. 2. The Indo-Aryan people have lived in India for at least 15,450 years, which invalidates the theory that the Indo-Aryans invaded India 3,500 years ago. 3. The hundreds of millions of members (possibly over a billion) of the R1a family living across the world today - a very large fraction of humanity - are all descended from one single male ancestor who lived in India at least 15,450 years ago. This discovery demonstrates the close genetic (and hence linguistic and cultural) affinity of Indians with the Russian and Polish people, the Vikings and Normans, and with the ancient Scythians and Tocharians, among many others (Sharma et al, 2009). This is irrefutable scientific proof that not only did the Indo-Aryan people originate in India over 15,450 years ago, but also that they expanded out of India and settled in lands far to the west in Europe. It thoroughly invalidates the AIT (Aryan Invasion Theory) and AMT (Aryan Migration Theory). Literary Evidence for Westward Indo-Aryan expansion Consider the Baudhayana Shrauta Sutra, a Vedic text. Baudhayana Shrauta Sutra @ records: “Amavasu migrated westward. His people are Gandhari, Parsu and Aratta.” This refers to a Vedic king called Amavasu, whose people are the Gandhari (Gandhara - Afghanistan), the Parsu (Persians) and the Aratta, who are tentatively identified as living in the vicinity of Mt. Ararat, which is located in Turkey (eastern Anatolia) and Armenia. Afghanistan (Gandhara) was historically part of the Indian civilization until the Islamic invasions. The name “Persia” comes from the ancient Parshva people (an Aryan clan). The word “Parshva” is derived from the Sanskrit/Avestan (Old Persian) word “Parshu”, which means “battle-ax”. There are clear linguistic and cultural similarities between India and Persia. The traditional Armenian name for Mt. Ararat is Masis. It is named after the legendary Armenian king Amasya. The name “Amasya” is linguistically related to the name “Amavasu” of the Indian king recorded in the Baudhayana’s Shrauta-Sutra. This establishes literary evidence for the westward expansion of Indo-Aryans, via Afghanistan, to Persia, Armenia and Anatolia. The ancient kingdom of Mitranni, of the people who used to worship Mitra, the Vedic God, located in present-day Syria and Anatolia, had an Indo-Aryan, Sanskrit-speaking ruling class. Mitranni kings had Indo-Aryan names. The oldest recorded (Vedic) Sanskrit words are found in a horse training manual by a Mitranni horse master named Kikkuli. Although the text is written in the Hittite language, it appears that Kikkuli was not familiar enough with that language to use technical terms, which made it necessary for him to use the terminology of his own language (Vedic Sanskrit) instead. Inscribed clay tablets discovered in Boğazkale, Anatolia (Turkey), record a royal treaty and invoke the Vedic gods Indra, Mitra, Nasatya & Varuna by the Hittites, another Indo-European tribe, as witnesses. The Boğazkale clay tablets are dated to about 1380 BC. This is around the same time as Kikkuli’s horse training manual. The Mitranni and Hittites belonged to the Indian-origin haplogroup R1a1a. This is clear evidence of a large-scale westward expansion of Sanskrit-speaking Indo-Aryans, and their presence as the ruling aristocracy in lands thousands of kilometers west of India. The children of Goddess Danu. The primordial Rig Vedic river goddess Danu is the mother/progenitor of the Danava clan of Indo-Aryans. The Danavas revolted against the Devas and were eventually defeated and got banished. As it turns out, that was far from the end of their story. The word dānu means “fluid, drop” in Rig Vedic Sanskrit. The Avestan (old Iranian) word for “river” is “dānu”. The Scythian (Saka/Shaka) & Sarmatian words for “river” are also “dānu”. Now consider this: linguistically, the names of the European rivers Danube, Dnieper, Dniestr, Don, Donets, Dunajec, Dvina or Daugava, and Dysna are all derived from the Rig Vedic Sanskrit root word “dānu”. These rivers flow across eastern & central Europe. These rivers, all named after the Rig Vedic goddess Danu, seem to trace the gradual westward migration through Europe of the Danava clan of Rig Vedic Indo-Aryans. According to Irish & Celtic mythology, the Irish & Celtic people are descended from a mother goddess - a river goddess - called Danu. The ancient (mythological) people of Ireland are called the Tuatha Dé Danann (Old Irish: “The peoples of the goddess Danu”). Is there genetic evidence to support this story? As it turns out, there is. The R1a1a haplogroup is rare in Ireland, at 2.5% of the population. This can be explained by the fact that Ireland has suffered many invasions since the Bronze Age, which would have led to the gradual replacement of the R1a1a haplogroup with those of the various invaders. The fact that R1a1a is still present in Ireland proves that people of Indo-Aryan origin settled there in the past (Sharma et al, 2009). Elsdon Best (1972) in his book wrote that the ancestors of a tribe Tuhoe in New Zealand came from India via Peru. DNA tests on some of them proved the origin of their ancestors. They said that they traveled from India after the Mahabharata war to New Zealand. Thus, the story of Manu dividing up the world among his sons maybe not a myth. (@ In a report published in Nature, a group of scientists and archeologists of the ASI (Archeological Survey of India) and IIT (Indian Institute of Technology, Kharagpur) proved that the cities of Indus valley were at least 9000 years old, not just 3500 years. The cause of the decline was not any Aryan invasion, but a continuous lack of rainfall since that 9000 years when most rivers dried up. That might have caused the outward migration of the Aryans from India (Sarkar, 2016). (This is quoted from our (Victoria Miroshnik and Dipak Basu), forthcoming book, Ethics, Morality and Business, to be published by Palgrave-Macmillan. )
Vedic ethics of ethnic cleansing was concerned with erasing of the non-aryan people. The non-aryans dasyus, dasas, rakshasas, Asuras were being eliminated because: They were fighting to protect their property and wealth They refused to contribute to the Yagnas animal sacrifices of the aryans Their language unintelligible to the aryans They refused to worship their yagna fed GODS They were dark colored and flat noses
This series of lectures is an excellent treatise that would be of great help for future Indian historians. Thank you Amrita University for making this lecture series.
We have actual archaeological evidence of Harappan people having travelled and settled all over including upto Mesopotamia and in central Asia as well. If Harappans spoke some sort of proto sanskrit language, it's very easy to understand that that's how the connection between the Sanskrit and European languages most probably was formed.🙏🙏
I have heard that the poems in Tamil Sangam literature describes the willdlife and vegetation of the Himalayas very extensively. How would that be possible without the memory of life experiences.
saints sadhus sanyasis travelled everywhere in india & even all indians pilgrimage to everywhere in india so North Indians have gone to south for pilgrimage & south indians have gone to North for pilgrimage. no rocket science. but yes culturally & DHARM wise all indians shared & had & have the same culture same Sanskriti same values same ethics same DHARM
Because there is no aryan or dravidian. We are all indian and we travelled everywhere. That is why our genes are almost the same (modern 21st century science) not the 19th century european pseudo-science that dravida kazhagam wants to use even now.
Then which is true saraswati river. If any river run short and vanishes under land can we call it as river.why lecture is emphasis on saraswathi river ,because lecturer want to say aariyans are not migrants of India.
the whole of Saraswati bed dried, from Himalayas to Indu MahaSagar, so she's right about bengal. somewhere people used the dried bed for agriculture coz of great fertility, somewhere people built temples to mark Mata Saraswati, somewhere built Cities & Civilization. that's why from the satelite view it's all one river but present state times it's in Himachal Pradesh Punjab Haryana UP Bengal etc. it's very simple to understand if one wants to understand. if just wants to keep denying then will not understand coz of agendas
There is also the river Jamuna in Bangladesh which is the Brahmaputra. People keep naming rivers after other rivers they already know. As far as I know, no bronze age settlement has been found along the river bank of the Saraswati in Bengal. And the Rig Veda states the Saraswati ran straight from the mountain to the sea between the Indus & Ganga. So I'm pretty sure the correct one is the one in the lecture.
@@kannabiranmudaliyar7562 it shows how ignorant you are. Putting together all the references from all the vedic literature. It is the only one Sarasvati which is between Yamuna and Sutlej, its none other. Its not just Saraswati, even genetics is proving nothing of the “aryans”. Rigved and Puranas give names of tribes of people who migrated out of Indus speaking different dialect who then became the other european languages. Read some primary sources .
@@kannabiranmudaliyar7562 You can name a local swage as saraswati and mislead the whole debate. Rigved and Mahabharat describe exact flow of saraswati between yamuna and satlaj, which is defenately not this one. Mr. Nilesh Neelkanth Oak in his speech unlike this gentleman, describes not only saraswati river but astronomical observations, geology, hydrology and genetics. You can search his name on youtube. And who were aryans, can you tell me the name of any king of this dynasty, or where they lived, how they looked, etc.....????
The lecture content itself is valuable but the presentation format is very irritating. First of all the audio volume is irritatingly low - I felt like scratching out my brain. Second, Danino turning his head every few seconds and turning away from the mic creates a huge discontinuity which is extremely distracting. All these irritants deflect from enjoying the talk. Why don't the organizers plan properly for a seamless presentation?
The Aryan migration theory is the mainstream view supported by a super-majority of historians, archaeologists, geneticists, linguists, all around the world, including in India. The out of India theory or OIT was established chiefly by Hindu nationalists, but not all Hindus. I mean, why would anyone have a problem with a migration theory, it happens all the time. There has been Greek, Han, Iranian Mughals, etc migration into India, why the problem with Aryan migration into India? It is chiefly Hindu Nationals who have a problem with this. This would be conservative Hindus, not all Hindus. Why? Well, it has to do with the origins of Hinduism, if the Vedas, the earliest compositions of the Hindu faith are in Sanskrit, an Indo-Aryan language, and the speakers of this language didn’t arrive in India until after 2000 BCE, that means Hinduism in India cannot predate 2000 BCE, but for some Hinduism is native to India, and the worlds oldest religion. An Indo-Aryan migration would not allow for that
In tracing the Brahmin ancestry, the best evidence seen thus far is their religious affinity to the Rg Veda. That is why they are often referred to as the Vedic people. The earliest evidence of Vedic worship is seen in on a cuneiform tablet excavated at El-Amarna in Egypt, on a document from Bogazkoy in Anatolia (Asia Minor). The tablet is in Hittite cuneiform and written in the Akkadian language, and is an adjunct to a treaty between the Hittite king Suppiluliuma and his son-in-law, the Mitannian king Kurtiwaza, and it contains a long list of the gods of the peoples who were parties to it. The tablet is dated around the 14th century BC. The gods are invoked to witness the conclusion of the treaty and guarantee its observance. The gods of the Mitannians are named in these forms: Mi-it-ra, U-ru-ua-na, In-da-ra, and Na-sa-at-ti-ia-an-na. It is evident that these names correspond to Mitra, Varuna, Indra, and Nasatuau of the Vedic pantheon. The following curse is pronounced against the Mitannians: “If you, Kurtiwaza, the prince, and the sons of the Hurri country do not fulfill the words of the treaty, may the gods, the lords of earth, blot you out, you and the Hurri men together with your country, your wives, and all that you have”. In this treatise, Mithra (or Mitra) is invoked as the god of contract and mutual obligation. In short Mithra may signify any kind of communication between men and whatever establishes relations between them. The treatise is in the time frame of Israel invading the land of Canaan and their occupation caused a migratory movement in Canaan and surrounding areas. Thus, these early Vedic elements spread to other nations. Prior to the arrival of the Vedic people, the Indian population, the Dravidians, were considered uncivilized, who were later cultured and illuminated by the Vedic people. The Rg Veda which speaks in derogatory terms of the enemies subdued by the Vedic people, gives the impression that they were all savage barbarians. The Vedic people considered themselves the noble which is arya in Sanskrit, and hence, the evolution into calling themselves the Aryans. However, with the discovery of the Indus Valley civilization in 1920, centuries of error in our history have been exposed. The ancient dwellers in India, the Dravidians, were highly cultured and had developed an advanced and sophisticated way of life. The land of India is ancient dating back to Indus Valley, however, its lengthy history has been corrected with evidences that have surfaced over time. A good example is the discovery of the Indus Valley Civilization in 1920, exposing the error of the so-called Aryan theory, and there is much more to be corrected and exposed, namely the Caste System. The world was agnostic to one’s skin color in Shakespeare’s day since otherwise he would not have written Othello where a person of color marries a white woman early in the 17th century? However, the Indian Caste System was devised based on one’s skin color, varna with its associated law book, Varnashrama Dharma or Manu Dharma, and was prevalent in India from around the 8th century. In 1794 William Jones started publishing his translation of Manu Dharma which was in Sanskrit into English, and through the translation of William Jones this social poison entered the society of the world. My burden is to see the world society restored back to being agnostic to one’s skin color.
Aryans, derived from the original Sanskrit word Arya, means cultivated educated person, according to Sri Aurobindo, used to have very high moral standard with great regard for truth, promise and hospitality. Their sages, or Rishis, after many years of meditations and learning, derived some great ideas or hymns(Riks) on God and universe. We follow the Puranas to describe the world. Recent DNA evidence shows that Europe experienced a massive population influx from the east, beginning around 4,500 years from the present. Several haplo-groups were involved in this expansion, including the Indian-origin R1a1a. This was almost a total replacement event, which indicates that Indo-Aryans, among others, expanded westward into Europe and to a large extent replaced indigenous European males and their Y-chromosome strata (Sharma and his associates, 2009) This genetic evidence indicates that several Y-chromosomal (patrilineal) lineages, one of which was the Indian-origin R1a1a, gave rise to the modern European population. Out of these lineages, R1a1a is the most widespread and numerous. Recent DNA evidence shows that Europe experienced a massive population influx from the east, beginning around 4,500 years from the present. Several haplo-groups were involved in this expansion, including the Indian-origin R1a1a. This was almost a total replacement event, which indicates that Indo-Aryans, among others, expanded westward into Europe and to a large extent replaced indigenous European males and their Y-chromosome strata (Sharma and his associates, 2009) This genetic evidence indicates that several Y-chromosomal (patrilineal) lineages, one of which was the Indian-origin R1a1a, gave rise to the modern European population. Out of these lineages, R1a1a is the most widespread and numerous. It proves that: 1. The R1a haplogroup originated in India. 2. The Indo-Aryan people have lived in India for at least 15,450 years, which invalidates the theory that the Indo-Aryans invaded India 3,500 years ago. 3. The hundreds of millions of members (possibly over a billion) of the R1a family living across the world today - a very large fraction of humanity - are all descended from one single male ancestor who lived in India at least 15,450 years ago. This discovery demonstrates the close genetic (and hence linguistic and cultural) affinity of Indians with the Russian and Polish people, the Vikings and Normans, and with the ancient Scythians and Tocharians, among many others (Sharma et al, 2009). References: Sharma S., 2009, The Indian origin of paternal haplogroup R1a1* substantiates the autochthonous origin of Brahmins and the caste system. Journal of Human Genetics, 54, 47-55 Sarker, A., A., Deshpande , A., Mukherjee, M. K., Bera,, B., Das, N., Juyal, P., Morthekai, R. D. , Deshpande, V. S., Shinde, V., & Rao, L. S., 2016, Oxygen isotope in archaeological bioapatites from India: Implications to climate change and decline of Bronze Age Harappan civilization, Nature, Scientific Reports volume 6, Article number: 26555.
You actually believe the datings of the Puranas? The Puranas are mainly mythological texts that proport fantastical datings. And Indo-Aryans only came to India a few millennia ago, not the 15,450 years you mention which is just absurd.
Actually I thought it was only the German Nazi's who thought themselves the descendents of the Aryan. I am surprised he stated the Brittash were thinking this. How strange.
Quite simillar to Slovenia. In schools they still teach pupils, that we came on these area in 6th century, but many clues are, that we came much earlier. In simillar to da-sus: we call Germans 'Nemec' what nean human, who can not speak.
Aryan/arjya words has been derived from Dimasa kachchari language Auriyasa means they are coming from that place and outsider gypsy according to Dimasa kachchari language, Saraswati/sarsadi = sarsa(a river lonely flows starting to ending without no one single assistance river, di(water)see rig veda, Dwarika = D/di(water) + wari(deep and wide water) + Daogah/daoka(king/owner),hastinapur, harappa, mohenjudaro,agni,swaha,swami,danh dang fang,hring khring bring these words are belongs from Dimasa kachchari language.
30 years back kerala got. syllabus history text books did not mention these Aryan invasion at all.Just one page in 5th and 8th std. A new race Hunan came from central Asia and they were thought to be responsible for the vedic culture. I feel all these elaborate descriptions got in the text books very recently by some bias.
The truth is in the Genetics. You can debate this and that theory for the linguistic similarities of European, Indian and Iranic languages, the archaeological evidence, the religious similarities, the phenotype at India's borders(the fact that very indoeuropean looking people live in India's borders in Afghanistan and they are part of a phenotypic continuum that reaches all the way to Ireland), but what you cant debate is the genetic evidence. The truth is in the Ydna phylogeny.
Christian conversion forces in India has inherent interest to divide Indian society and do there conversions. Christianity is abandoned by most of population in Europe and america etc already.
All you proponents of Out of India theory use a strawman argument. Do you know what a strawman argument is? It is when you refute an argument that your opponent has not even presented. No modern Western scholar believes in the Aryan invasion theory, in which white, blond haired, blue eyed, supermen Aryans invaded India and gave them civilization, Hinduism, and the Vedas. That is an old incorrect racist theory that has been debunked centuries ago. The current model is that Aryans, who were moderately brownish skinned, brown haired, black or brown haired, migrated into India and Iran. In India, they developed Sanskrit and composed the Vedas in India itself. The term Aryan solely refers the the Indo-Iranian peoples. Aryans are not white, and they are not European. But Out of India proponents always use a strawman argument and refute the Aryan invasion theory, which is already established as false.
@Vidhya Dhara Read these papers on the appearance of the Proto-Indo-Europeans. Don't call things ridiculous if you have no knowledge about them. Mathieson, Iain; et al. (10 October 2015). "Eight thousand years of natural selection in Europe". bioRxiv 10.1101/016477. Wilde S, Timpson A, Kirsanow K, Kaiser E, Kayser M, Unterländer M, et al. (2014). "Direct evidence for positive selection of skin, hair, and eye pigmentation in Europeans during the last 5,000 y". Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America. 111 (13): 4832-4837. Bibcode:2014PNAS..111.4832W. doi:10.1073/pnas.1316513111. PMC 3977302. PMID 24616518. Heyd, Volker (2017). "Kossinna's smile". Antiquity. 91 (356): 348-359. doi:10.15184/aqy.2017.21. ISSN 0003-598X.
Aryan by Birth - Brahmin, Kshatriyas & Vaisyas Dravidian by Birth - Sudras & Paraiahs (Dalits) Truth is ALL upper caste North Indians are ALL ARYANS, and all lower caste Sudras & Paraiahs (Dalits) are all Dravidians People living in Indian Sub continent who are ALL fair in complexion have mostly Steppeland genes in their DNA these people are basically Aryan. People living in Indian Sub continent who are Dark in complexion have mostly South Asian Hunter Gatherer genes in their DNA these people are Dravidian [Tamils] basically. Tamils means NOT the current day Tamil Nadu state people alone, they represent all Sudras & Praiahas [Dalit] lived across Indian sub - continent. Even today, you can see dark skinned and pale dark skinned people living in North, South, East & West of India, they were all Tamils only in ancient India. The ancient text Manusimriti designate the Shudra as Peasants and Artisans i.e. Farmers and All Craftsman, Shudra is NOT to mean slaves. Read the following facts about DNA Studies Why R1A1 DNA originates in EUROPE, but not in india. why it is it not found or too less in percentage among South Indian people ? Why M haplogroups DNA is not found in Upper caste Aryans or North indians ? If found why so less ? If you have read Vedas there are lots of mention about a food made of Horse meat, then why HORSES are not native to INDIA ? Why copper hoard culture found only with Aryans, but not with Dravidians ? Why antenna swords found in Sinauli - India which belongs to BMAC - Bactria-Margiana Archaeological Complex ? Haplo M is found among 60% of modern day indians. It is in every person from south. But here’s the main catch ! It’s only found in depressed classes of northern and tribal peoples of northen india. But, almost to zero to 1-4% among Higher caste Aryans or North indians. Just like R1A1 not found in south in the same way south’s M groups are not found among R1A1 peoples of north. So, it is proved beyond doubt that "ALL upper caste North Indians are ALL ARYANS, and all lower caste Sudras & Paraiahs (Dalits) are all Dravidians"
There were two great migrations of Aryans out of India. The first, after the great Civil War of Kurkukshetra when few Aryans survived and the transition from Sama Veda to Atharva Veda began with the inter marriage between the Aryas (originally from Central Asia) and the Dhruhyus who brought architecture and agriculture from Mesopotamia) with the Aaagama (that which came from outside) Shastras becoming Sanskritised, went as far as the Balkans and the Baltic. Then, during Ashoka's destruction of Temples, Gurukulas and persecution of Brahmanism which brought an end to the Vedic period the migrations were largely to the South and the South East. Adi Shankara's ancestors were among them. A third migration occurred by means of Islamic slave caravans from which the ancestors of present day Romanis escaped. The ongoing migration to escape persecution by the Indian Republic since 1947 is too well known to mention here. The Indo Gangetic Plains were too salubrious and fecund for any who came here from the harsher Central Asia or Eastern Europe to return other than by duress. (Or for anybody to immigrate out of)
The Shorutha (Heard) Smartha (Remembered) Aryan oral living tradition is what I represent, portray and believe. Brahmanism, and The Law (Dharma) originates from the Saptha Rishis with the Prathamo Upanishad from which the notions of Karma and Dharma were born with the Aryan Constitution from which the laws and code of Chivalry were born. This pre date the Rik Veda. The Rik Veda (Taming of Horse and Fire) occurred on the grazing grounds between East Prussia and Mongolia among the pastoral, nomadic Aryans. During the Sukla Yajur Veda period (Archery and chariot war fare) they drove in all directions to raid for food, cattle, women and slaves. Many settled into more luxurious lives. This was so in the Indo-Gangetic Plain where the Aryans over laid the Druids who had come from Mesopotamia, bringing agriculture and architecture to these lands. The tall fair, polytheistic Lalitha, Vishnu and Shiva worshiping Druids of Mesopotamia too had scattered in many directions to escape the constant harrying by their own apostates who had adopted Yahweh who said unto Abraham, "Put no other Gods before me for I am a jealous God", and the Aryans. In the Indo-Gangetic plain began the joyous tones of the Krishna Yajur Veda from the plenty and luxury of the agricultural and architectural tribute that the Aryans extracted from the Druids. Under the treaty of Bharatha the Aryan Chiefs formed themselves into a "One for all, and all for one" alliance that made them formidable while they paid tirbute to Arya Mihira, the paramount Chief, North of the Hindu Khush to keep their territory safe. The Vedas and Aryan laws died out with Brahmanism outside the Indo-Gangetic Plain during this period, while it became extremely strong and intricate in the Indo-Gangetic Plains. This was succeeded by the decadence of the Sama Veda that gave rise to music. Then followed the great civil war that Vyasa's literary masterpiece revolved around. This broke the back of Aryan hegemony. This began the Atharva Veda Period. The Aryans and Druids began to inter marry. Large numbers of Aryans migrated out of the Indo-Gangetic plain, fearing for their safety. The Dasyus entered the Guru Kulas as the fourth Varna with varna mobility thereafter on par with the Aryans. Agriculture, Architecture, and temple worship entered the Atharva Veda through the Aagama (that which came from outside) Shastras. Siva, Vishnu, Lalitha and the other Druid deities were Sanskritised and the Thraithreya Upanishad was created as a compendium for reference by all the preceding Vedas. The Vedic period was brought to an end by Ashoka who dismantled the temples and the Gurukulas and persecuted Sanskrit and the Brahmins. A great exodus of Druido-Aryans took place to the far corners of the globe. Adi Shankara, whose ancestors had fled Ashoka's persecution revived Sanskrit, the Vedas and the Brahma Sutras. , and wove the various religions into the Panchayatana (the five deities) comprising the Aryan Sun (idol of Brahma), and merging the Aryan Narayana with the Druid Vishnu, the Aryan Shankara and Rudra with the Druid Shiva, the Aryan Sandhya, Savithri, Gayathri and Saraswathi with the Druid Lalitha, Lashmi, and Parvathi with the tribal Mother Godess into Durga Parameshwari and included the tribal Ganapathi. Most though continued to adhere to their ancestral faiths of Vashnaivism, Shaivism, Shaakthaism, Brahmanism, Necrophagy, Human Sacrifice, Thuggee, Cannibalism and so on, all of which have continued to this day.
Having earned the titles of Pundita, Deekshita and Bharathi from India's most respected centers of Sanskrit learning for my competence in the Vedas and the Ithihasa (History) I do not need the approbation of ignorant hobbyists like yourself who resort to the name calling they learned, in the slums in which they were born and educated, to pretend to erudition. Discussions and debates can be seen to quickly resolve into A-B-C classification About 60% (c) devolves rather quickly into name calling and imputing personal qualities to those whose ideas threaten the cultivated belief systems of the participants. About 3% (a) revolves around serious exploration, learning and inquiry involving, purely, cultured and educated persons. The Middle Segment 37% (b) comprises discussions between linguistically accomplished persons who are bankrupt in original thinking and learning skills. This segment that comprises the bulk of politicians, bureaucrats, economists, professors, scientists, doctors, engineers, historians and others such as who own, operate and sell the United Nations, Universities, Governments, Newspapers, Intelligence and other such institutions, is almost entirely into semantics masquerading as ideas or debate. I have no more time to waste on "C" cats like yourself. Go and get an education.
Suchindranath Aiyer you are Westerner who takes degrees in vedas and Sanskrit from India and then use it to malign Indian and Vedic culture. You belong to the breed of Sheldon Pollo and witzel
Periyar is God, tamilanadu is center of the universe, Tamil is mother of all languages, Tamil people are demigods. All Human came from kumari kandam. First human ever created by god periyar was karunanidhi. That's is it, that's the history, every other thing is a lie. Lord Karl Marx is avatar of God periyar to civilize western people. Hinthi people came from Persia. IVC, Mesopotamia, Egyptian all were ancient Tamil civilizations.
@@nathenpeter7 Tamil is one of the most useless language as far a religion, geopolitics, geoecononics, history, education, and linguistics are concerned. If someone desire to waste time, they can think of learning Tamil.
1. In same puranooru we found a record of Ilamchetchenni (father of karikalan cholan) who resist the bindusara (Son of chandragupta maurya) in South India during maurya expansion 2. In same puranooru says karikalan cholan was gifted by arch in avanti and also gifed by pearl canopy by vajra(great grandson of Lord Krishna) Iam not come to argue about which language is older or better. In the same case scholar like you also consider about our language history too. Don't be biased to Sanskrit.. That's our only request
😢 sanskrit is not my language or your language it's our language from primordial times Hindi Punjabi Kannad Prakrit Bengali Tamil Telugu Malayalam English Russian French Latin etc.came much much later. don't hate sanskrit my brother 🙏
@@nissar_fasil history before Mauryan are you kidding me or yourself? even in this Kaliyuga times we have non stop continuous history from Kuru Pandu Krishna Pandavas Bhoj Lalitaditya Shaaks Vikramaditya Mauryas Guptas Cholas Marathas Rajputs Sikhs and so on.
Russian archeologists who had excavated the Aryan ruins in Arkheim in Sintasta-Petrovska valley in the eastern slopes of the Ural Mountain said that Aryans came from the east of Iran, which was India. There are many words of Sanskrit in Russian, but there were no Russians in Sanskrit. However, in our Puranas, there are many histories that Siberia was called Uttara Kuru, where a lady from Afghanistan went to learn science and obtained the title Saraswati. The milk sea mentioned in our Puranas is still there in the north of Siberia, where the Daityas used to live. Please read The Hindu History by AK Mazumdar, published in 1917. Thus 'Out of India' is more reliable.
Let whatever he says, but the truth is in front of us. Color is not playing big role in india but caste plays a big role. What the literature says is resembling with the research. One particular caste is behaving like a superior in india. No doubt in that. But still we are indians. We have a modern constitution. We will settle the issue.
Why a French man would speak with an Indian accent is beyond me. He has literally gone from the most universally liked accent to the most universally hated accent.
Since the video contains Ambedkar. The speaker should read the book 'Riddles in Hinduism ' by ambedkar He has mentioned so many times about aryan and Aryan god's. I am not sure ambedkar said those words which is in video. But he insists Aryan culture has influenced. So I am not agreeing this video. Please read the book Riddles in Hinduism. This book is about Aryans
@@samarjeetsingh7020 no Bhai. This video misleads mentioning ambedkar. Ambedkar has mentioned about aryan gods and Aryans in Riddles in Hinduism. It's in government websites. You gotta read the book and turn normal from foolishness.
I didn't know that to understand Aryan Invasion/Migration Theory, I needed to refer to a Bollywood Movie. Please do let me know if I could refer to your mouth for pi**ing.
alright, rig Veda mentioned horses and iron. can you able to show horse and iron before 2000 BC in India?? this is stupid lecture and totally fabrication.. Saraswati is mentioned in Rig Veda is In Afghan not India, this is misunderstood another dried up river.. and later Saraswati offen thought to be merger with Yamuna and Ganga .
Saraswati river was not in India ? Pls read the following link www.ibtl.in/blog/2102/river-saraswati-as-described-in-scripture/ Saraswati was indeed in Indian subcontinent. In Rig Veda, Saraswati is mentioned 71 and in Ramayan nearly 5 to 6 times . In Mahabharat too it is mentioned that Balaram took pilgrimage to the holy sites on the banks of river Saraswathi. Moreover, Mahabharata also clearly mentiones that kurukshetra lies to the south of Saraswati and North of Dhrishtavthi. More over, the dried bed of the river has been find out. Clearly the satellite images shows the dried river bed which matches with the description of Vedas and Mahabharata. Next coming to horse, pls note that new archeological evidence has been found . In a very important discovery, more than 5000 yrs old horse remains have been found at Surkotada in Bhuj, Gujarat. Not only here. Horse teeth and bone remains also been found in other places like Malvan, Ropal, Kalibangan, Lothal etc.
Actually horses and chariots have been found in IVC sites in Gujrat and Sanauli UP. So this entire logic of aryans bringing Horse and Iron is bullshit. Iron mining in India is not exported but local development. This has been proven archeologically. When iy comes to Archeology vs historians i believe in archeology, Indian historians esp. Those in prestigeous universities always have undermined Indianness of indian civilization. Thes are typical communists like romila thapar..who fabricated this story .. even theue arguments have been disproven by archeology.
Hi Meghalaya Ridechennai, I am curious how you would respond to the new evidence about horses that multiple people brought up in response to your comment?
Tamil is closely related to mother of Dravidian language. Not mother of telugu, Kannada or any other languages. Proto Dravidian is the mother of Indian languages
Half baked! This author and the others are bending their back to prove some flimsy thing. I am totally unable to understand as to why they oppose the non indigenous origin of Sanskrit peoples theory. For a sample, let me challenge a few things: (1) Either in this part or in the next part of the series, the author says that the word "Anasa" does not mean "noseless" but that it means "speechless" in the sense that the enemies of the Rigvedic people could not say the Mantrams clearly. So they were called " speechless (as per the author). In that case also it very well means that the non vedic people were speaking a different language than the vedic peoples. This implies that Rig vedic people were different from the locals. Only one of the two groups could be called the locals. The fact is that Dravidian speech form, to this day, does not differentiate between voiced and unvoiced consonants. I wish to remind the listeners as well as the author, that Dravidian languages had only 30 characters as it is in Tamil today. Telugu language as well Kannada also had only 30 characters. Malayalam had the extra letters introduced into the Vattezhuthu system with the express purpose to get pronunciation closer to Sanskrit for Sanskrit words. So, either without the nose or without the mouth, whichever angle one chooses, the chances are that the opponents of Rig Vedic peoples were Dravidians. Dravidian phonetics is COMPLETELY different. They had the need to invent 3 letters for the sound of L, three for the sound of N, 2 for the sound of R and letters for nasal sounds and STRANGELY, did not differentiate voiced and unvoiced consonants. To this day Malayalam and Tamil are more nasal than other languages. Tamil and other South Indian languages do not have consonant clusters. Tamil does away with these completely even for Sanskrit borrowed words while others use it only to write Sanskrit words. Anybody who misses this point cannot be called a scholar. One must note that consonant clusters are copious in European languages and Sanskrit on the other hand. (2). This author makes a mountain out of a mole hill when he says that some poet who wrote a poem in the Vedams is reciting the names of the rivers in a certain order. This is a child like argument. The poet might have just memorized the names in this order. Or he could have traveled recently thus may be remembering the names of the rivers in that order. BUT IT MUST BE NOTED THAT THAT POET did not compose the poem with the names of Kaveri, Krishna or Godhavari or Bramaputhra rivers. He just was a foreigner to the places the rivers which flow in modern India. This means that these people cannot be called Indians in a greater sense. These were either foreigners or very local to the area where the said rivers flow through. (3) It is a complete fallacy to think that India as we now know today was a single country, single culture, single language, single people since those days. This is far from the truth. Rig Vedic people are peoples of modern day Pakistan, Afghanistan and perhaps Punjab. I can, to a certain degree of correctness say that a country called Rig Vedia existed as an extension of central Asia and was not part of "India"! (4) Unless anybody proves that Dravidian languages and Munda languages are derivatives of Sanskrit, the theory that Sanskrit speakers were foreigners holds true.
anasa may mean asuras and the war mentioned may be between asuras and devas. they are mythological and not real for in the frame of this physical world. they(britishers) used this to create differences in the people or to develop people as their clerks(who would obey them because of their aryan origins). you don't know telugu for sure. It has 56 characters and is largely influenced by the Sanskrit. so your linguistic arguments are poor in fundamental points.Tamil and other South Indian languages do have consonant clusters for sure. similar is the case with other claims. 2) I do not agree with this lecture in many respects. but India is for sure has cultural and religious(not in the narrow western sense) unity. vishnu purana mentions that the land southern to Himalayas and northern to the ocean is known as Bharata. Its compilation date is estimated variously as Vincent Smith (1908): 400-300 BCE,CV Vaidya (1925): ~9th-century,Moriz Winternitz (1932): possibly early 1st millennium, but states Rocher, he added, "it is no more possible to assign a definite date to the Vishnu Purana than it is for any other Purana".Rajendra Chandra Hazra (1940): 275-325 CERamachandra Dikshitar (1951): 700-300 BCE,Roy (1968): after the 9th-century. in any case since its compilation (atleast) India exists in the minds of its subjects irrespective of their rulers and kingdoms. every one in their rituals say bharata varshe, bharata kande etc right from kashmir to kanyakumari. 3) many such verses can be quoted both from puranas and individual works of several poets and intellects. 4)there are different religious networks such as jyothirlingas, sakthipeetas, and kashi rameswaram pilgrimage etc which keeps people united. 5) many such points can be raised but I leave here because of my laziness and lack of interest. India is a country in past, present and will remain as a single entity forever. jai hind.
I will give you the final word. (1) I said Telugu "had" 30 letters only during some of its history. This I learned from a guy who was scholarly. Extensions were made specifically for Sanskrit words which you are acknowledging yourself. (2) Now you are giving a different explanation to the word "anasa". This is what Sanskritists do. The goalpost constantly moves. (3) Consonant clusters are prevalent in Sanskrit words only.Dravidian (South Indian) words are not like this. Our words are interspersed with vowels in between. For example, they even write Krishna as Krsn. I had a colleague from Poland whose name was spelt as Kaccmarchsk. In our school days, there was a slang which went like this: Engli pease, Angli pease, Vayellam PunnAachu". Tarnslation: English or Anglos what ever it is called makes the mouth to pain (during learning). All I am saying is that phonetics of a foreign language is harder. It is discenible that the locals with whom the Rig Vedic Sanskrittan folks were fighting could have been Dravidian. (3) All these emotional things like Kasi Rameswaram etc are based on religion. Today about 10 % of the people in TN and 25% of the people in Kerala are Christians. Let us say that this reaches 100%. And let us say that we make pilgrimages to Jerusalem and Vatican. Can this anyway mean that these people are natives of Rome? All your puranams are just puranams, just some stories. As I said, the poets of Rig Vedam did not know Krishna or Godavari or Kaveri. Later day travellers might have known these rivers. Just as the modern day English man brought Christianity, the Sanskrittans brought Rig Vedam and Sanskrit. Bible will not speak about Kaveri nor does Rig Vedam. It is plain and simple. These people are not native to our land. It is all plain and simple as the following: The author spent several laborious hours to deny. "Without European invasion, there would be no English in India today. Without Mohammedan invasion, there would be no Hindi in India. Without an Aryan invasion, there would have been no Sanskrit in India". Truth is just as simple as this.
oh! then goalpost shouldn't be moved because you are in the winning edge and we should obey you and accept your interpretation of these sacred texts. very nice. go on and try hard to split India. I think these westerners are sole proprietors of these Indian literature. I pity Indians who study their texts in the light of foreign Interpretations.
Gunzo Gunzo hi who says there was only one local culture. According to current map of India there were 6 language groups. Indo- Aryan(Vedic), dravidians, Munda, Andaman, burushaski( Kashmir) and one more tribal. Every one of these languages is tribal and India does not belong to either Aryan or dravidians but to all of these 6 language groups. Now among these Vedic group dominated which I can't even say with full confidence because there is lot of cultural and genetic intermixing. So when you say either Aryan or dravidians you you also need to think about remaining 4. Nobody is forcing you to read vedas. However, I feel South indians are more traditional and religious in their approach. Additionally, very few people will be able to change your opinion because you live in kind of Inferiority complex because they taught you this fallacy of Aryans and dravidians from childhood. So you wanna create your own identity and own traditions. You call it dravidians way. The next step for people like you is conversion because you hate yourself and your culture because of this wrong information. I believe in OIT and I also read your comments in other video of taalagiri where you actually talk to him. Nobody can help you. Lets end this on a joke..Once AiDMK leader karunanidhi said we will stop doing ramlila and will start ravanlila because ram was Aryan and ravan was dravidian. So ravan is our king. The later day he fell ill and realized that ram was kshatriya and ravan was Brahmin and the name of hospital was ramachandra hospital. Get over identity crisis my friend.!
Stop your nonsense. After admitting that India had 6 different linguistic groups and various cultures, you went on a rant for nothing. Who the !@#^ are you to talk this nonsense about inferiority superiority etc? You believe in OIT? Ya, keep that to yourself. All this casteism like Bramin etc are the handiwork of people like you. In case you think I am some wretched Indian, hell no. I am an educated person who has migrated to USA and I care less about the worthless rupees and the god damn country and culture of yours. In case you think that I am from some out caste person, I am not that either. You would have to stand before me with a begging bowl I mind you. Let me hasten to say I respect the untouchable people of India whom I consider to be the most victimized souls on this mother earth. Now, go and worship all the scoundrels masquerading as religious leaders in the !@#^-ing country of yours.
Indo-European language does not exist. This is Serbian language. Aryans are Serbs who in three occasions (about 4000, 3400 and 2400 years ago) invaded/migrated to India led respectively by three Serbian rulers - Nino Belov (biblical Nimrod, founder of Babylon -> search Google: ‘serbian arms Baghdad museum’), Serbo Makaridov (also mentioned in the Bible) and Alexander (i.e. Lesander) Macedonian the Great (he is NOT Greek!). The last invasion was not called Aryans but he followed the steps of his predecessors, passing Persia (because Aryans in Iran). Serbs are European indigenous people (like Australian Aborigines or American ‘Indians’ with almost the same destiny, subjected to genocide). Serbian alphabet is 6000 years old, the language is much older than Latin, Greek and Hebrew, English and German languages are 800 and 600 years old!!! Swastika is a Serbian symbol (rising sun) from 7000 years ago. Serbs lived between Baltic, Atlantic, Black Sea, Mediterranean, Asia Minor, northern Africa, Crete (Mino dynasty is Serbian!) There are some (in English) words which are identical in modern Serbian language and Sanskrit: Garden, fire, laughing, love, inflame, crazy, town, force, spark, sweet, sword, hellebore, cross, dark, spook, bell, learn, skin, mare, espouse, strike, chimney, when, who are you, whoredom, grandmother, grandfather, mother, father, world, dog, mouth, guest, mane, breading, belvedere, alive, then, supreme, traveler, friend, to sit, dead, by itself, give, door, virgin, cold, jungle, cloths, hide, light, bracelet, fuck… There are many words which are almost identical. For example, almost identical, more complicated, but single words are for: husband’s mother, husband’s brother’s wife, wife’s sister’s husband, wife’s brother’s wife, husband’s sister’s husband, etc. Is this coincidence?
Apparently, you do not know anything European history or you are joking. Vatican agenda? They falsified ancient and the first millennium EU history. They committed and sponsored multiple genocides over centuries against Serbs and killed dozens of millions. I do not know what are you talking about. I do not negate any chariots or golden coins. It is not in contradiction that Serbs-Aryans came to India in 2000BC. There are still thousands of identical words in Sanskrit and modern Serbian. There are hundreds of Serbian toponyms in India/Pakistan identical to names of rivers and mountains in Serbia. What does it mean word STAN in the names of SA countries and regions? And hundred other things. I do not negate high levels of civilizations in India before and after Aryans expeditions to SA.
Russian archeologists who had excavated the Aryan ruins in Arkheim in Sintasta-Petrovska valley in the eastern slopes of the Ural Mountain said that Aryans came from the east of Iran, i.e., India. However, in our Puranas, there are many histories that Siberia was called Uttara Kuru, where a lady from Afghanistan went to learn science and obtained the title Saraswati. The milk sea mentioned in our Puranas is still there in the north of Siberia, where the Daityas used to live. Please read The Hindu History by AK Mazumdar, published in 1917. From Russia, Aryans went to Ukraine, then Bulgaria Serrbia and Greece.
Why i see so many coments of people claiming they know more than the doctor who has dedicated his life to the subject, dr. michael cremo also is very respected and has lost of proof on the subject
There are no evidence of the Aryan invasion theory, from Lithuania, carrying the sanskrit language. Indians came out of Africa from the Somalia/Ehiopia region, crossing 15 miles of the Red Sea, as the migration of dark populations of southern Arabia, Oman, Sumer, Baluchistan, Sindh, and ultimately Gujrat 9between 125000-56000 bp) where the Yadv (Yadu, Jadu) tribe of Krishna prospered and multiplied to 38 million (recorded in Vishnu Puran) by the end of the ice age, enabling dating death of mortal Krishna about 9500 bc. The Jadu people spread all over India, carrying Sanatan religion of Krishna, and the Gujrati prakrit with them, explaining religious and linguistic uniformity of the people of south Asia.After the end of the Harappan civilization (4000-1900 bc), tribes like Scythians, Haihaya, Yue Chi etc., entered India and formed the consortium named Kuru who destroyed the mighty Jadu with support of the Parsi-Babylonian alliance and replaced the Sanatan with the Semitic religion of Hinduism(Parsi coinage)
chill Rajput Indian people migrated from Somalia/Ethiopia region 65000 years ago crossing the Red Sea into Yemen, Oman, Sumria, Baluchistan, Sindh and Gujrat (32000 bp). The Vishnu Purana records that the Yadav tribe of Krishna (11000 bp) prospered and multiplied to 38 million and spread all over India carrying Sanatan religion and the Gujrati prakrit, explaining linguistic and religious uniformity of India. Today 70-80 % Indians are from the Yadav tribe, also called Yadu, or Jadu.
++Naimul Haq, Heres another fact- DID YOU KNOW ... The Prophet Muhammad made sexual advances on Safiyah a Jewish girl in the same day he captured her town, Kheibar, and killed her father, husband and many of her relatives. Reyhana was another Jewish girl of Bani Quraiza whom he used as sex slave after killing all her male relatives. In the last ten years of his life he accumulated a score of wives, concubines and sex slaves including the 6 year old Ayesha. A MAN OF MORE THAN 50 YEARS HAVING SEXUAL CONTACT WITH GIRL OF ONLY 9 IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE, IT'S JUST REALLY REALLY DISGUSTING !!! NOW YOU KNOW. Dear fellow Muslim: Is this the Islam you believe in ? Have some SHAME or be ready for the reception of YAMDEV in hell..
WHY do muslims forget to ASK themself the following question: "WHY is the NAME of the father of muhammed "ABDALLAH", which means "slave of allah". MUHAMMED WAS NOT EVEN BORN YET! *The answer is: allah(the moon-idol of Mecca) was allready there in Mecca before muhammed was born and was a pagan moon-idol which the father of muhammed Abdallah was allready worshipping together with Amina who is the mother of muhammed. The arab pagans in Mecca worshipped 360 idols in the early Ka'bas and there were many ka'bas back then. According to hadith someone asks muhammed, "Where are my parents?" Muhammed then answers: *"My father and your father are in Hell Fire(source: sahih muslim (203)." Now why is the father of "the best of creation" in Hell Fire again? :) Well because abdallah worshipped allah the moon-idol before muhammed was born!!!!
All you proponents of Out of India theory use a strawman argument. Do you know what a strawman argument is? It is when you refute an argument that your opponent has not even presented. No modern Western scholar believes in the Aryan invasion theory, in which white, blond haired, blue eyed, supermen Aryans invaded India and gave them civilization, Hinduism, and the Vedas. That is an old incorrect racist theory that has been debunked centuries ago. The current model is that Aryans, who were moderately brownish skinned, brown haired, black or brown haired, migrated into India and Iran. In India, they developed Sanskrit and composed the Vedas in India itself. The term Aryan solely refers the the Indo-Iranian peoples. Aryans are not white, and they are not European. But Out of India proponents always use a strawman argument and refute the Aryan invasion theory, which is already established as false. Puranas have fantastical datings that are not be trusted. All you people are Islamophobes who always like to put down Islam and Muslims. You need to get out more and interact with more Muslims and you'll find out that they are all not bad people. And instead of responding to Numal Haqs argument, you attacked Islam instead. This is a clear cut case of ad hominen, a logical fallacy in which you attack the character of someone instead of their argument.
Trash vedas that talk about Aryan invasion. EVIDENCE OF ARYANS ARE IN VEDAS...Particulars of Hymns and Verses in ten Mandalas of Rigveda are given. For example, Hymn 1, Verse 2, Page 459. Particulars of Passages in Taittiriya Samhita are given. For example, Passage I, 3, 9, 2, Page 91. Particulars of Hymns in Vajasaneyi Samhita are given. Particulars of Sama Veda Samhita are given. Vedas talk about aryan invasion so Vedas were written by Osama bin laden and Churchill. . DRAVIDIAN ARE NATUVE INDIANS. ADI Sankaran who claimed he is a dravida sisu...Mahabharatha Pancha gurjara, malawa, telugu, kannada, and dravida Mahabharata links the origin of Dravidas with sage Vasistha. Viswamitra, a king in the Ikshwaku clan, attacked the cow of Vasistha Kharavel , King of kalinga (orissa) mentioned Dravida sangathan 1 or 2 BC in his incription. That means friendhip or diplamatic relations with dravidian kingdoms in the south. Kalhana, in his Rajatarangini (c. 12th century CE), classifies the following five Brahmin communities as Pancha Dravida, stating that they reside to the south of the Vindhyas:
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Salutations to You Shri Michel Danino!!! Request all Indians to wake up to understanding more about their history and heritage. We take these things for granted.
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Please read Riddles in Hinduism by ambedkar
I don't want some random quotes as it is there in video. If you agree with this video. Then please read Riddles in Hinduism by Ambedkar. He has mentioned about Aryans and Aryan god.
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If you read this book
Ambedkar says Aryans were the race of gamblers , under riddles in ahimsa chapter ;riddles no.13
Sorry mr senthil your propaganda failed just because the video has ambedkar.
@@ggamer7709 one problem with that is Hinduism is an umbrella term and is a set of ideas accumulated by several thinkers over this long course of period, so those ideas and thoughts are what is the present form religion, in fact there was no concept of religion in Indian subcontinent but just ideas debated and followed by everyone and all that got accumulated in our society and there is no denying that at some point people with certain interest have made changes in society for there benifits not unique to India but that is totally different issue but to say that few people in minority came from somewhere changed entire course of society is dumb as there are no evidence of any conflict between these settlement and no mass graves..
The Aryan invasion theory according to the British was that ancient Aryans invaded India at about 1500BC, driven out the Dravidians from their land, have imported the Hindu civilization along with the Sanskrit language from the steppes of central Asia (Kuhn, 1845, Max Muller, 1878, Childe, 1926, Elst, 1999; Trautmann, 2005). The theory was the justification for the British occupation of India. Although there was no archeological evidence to support this theory, it has become the most important doctrine on ancient Indian history. However, some recent archeological discoveries in India, Russia, and Japan have pushed back the antiquity of the Aryans to at least 9000 BC and proved beyond doubt that the ancient Aryans were not nomadic tribes from central Asia but had very advanced urban civilizations.
India was possibly the original home of the Aryans. From India, the Aryan language and other languages of Aryan affinity came into existence due to the contact between the migrating Aryans and non-Aryans out of India (Mazumdar, 1917). The Vedic literature was the expression of the highly developed thoughts of the Aryans. If the Aryans had come to India from outside it would be natural to find some traces of their thoughts and literary activities in some of the places through which they had traveled. However, no such record has been discovered at any place. To suggest that the Aryans had attained the highly developed literary and intellectual acumen after coming into India does not justify the absence of any record whatsoever in any of the places through which they had traveled into India.
Genetic Evidence for Westward Indo-Aryan expansion
Recent DNA evidence shows that Europe experienced a massive population influx from the east, beginning around 4,500 years from the present. Several haplogroups were involved in this expansion, including the Indian-origin R1a1a. This was almost a total replacement event, which indicates that Indo-Aryans, among others, expanded westward into Europe and to a large extent, replaced indigenous European males and their Y-chromosome strata (Sharma and his associates, 2009)
This genetic evidence indicates that several Y-chromosomal (patrilineal) lineages, one of which was the Indian-origin R1a1a, gave rise to the modern European population. Out of these lineages, R1a1a is the most widespread and numerous.
1. The R1a haplogroup originated in India.
2. The Indo-Aryan people have lived in India for at least 15,450 years, which invalidates the theory that the Indo-Aryans invaded India 3,500 years ago.
3. The hundreds of millions of members (possibly over a billion) of the R1a family living across the world today - a very large fraction of humanity - are all descended from one single male ancestor who lived in India at least 15,450 years ago.
This discovery demonstrates the close genetic (and hence linguistic and cultural) affinity of Indians with the Russian and Polish people, the Vikings and Normans, and with the ancient Scythians and Tocharians, among many others (Sharma et al, 2009).
This is irrefutable scientific proof that not only did the Indo-Aryan people originate in India over 15,450 years ago, but also that they expanded out of India and settled in lands far to the west in Europe. It thoroughly invalidates the AIT (Aryan Invasion Theory) and AMT (Aryan Migration Theory).
Literary Evidence for Westward Indo-Aryan expansion
Consider the Baudhayana Shrauta Sutra, a Vedic text. Baudhayana Shrauta Sutra @ records:
“Amavasu migrated westward. His people are Gandhari, Parsu and Aratta.”
This refers to a Vedic king called Amavasu, whose people are the Gandhari (Gandhara - Afghanistan), the Parsu (Persians) and the Aratta, who are tentatively identified as living in the vicinity of Mt. Ararat, which is located in Turkey (eastern Anatolia) and Armenia.
Afghanistan (Gandhara) was historically part of the Indian civilization until the Islamic invasions. The name “Persia” comes from the ancient Parshva people (an Aryan clan). The word “Parshva” is derived from the Sanskrit/Avestan (Old Persian) word “Parshu”, which means “battle-ax”. There are clear linguistic and cultural similarities between India and Persia.
The traditional Armenian name for Mt. Ararat is Masis. It is named after the legendary Armenian king Amasya. The name “Amasya” is linguistically related to the name “Amavasu” of the Indian king recorded in the Baudhayana’s Shrauta-Sutra. This establishes literary evidence for the westward expansion of Indo-Aryans, via Afghanistan, to Persia, Armenia and Anatolia.
The ancient kingdom of Mitranni, of the people who used to worship Mitra, the Vedic God, located in present-day Syria and Anatolia, had an Indo-Aryan, Sanskrit-speaking ruling class. Mitranni kings had Indo-Aryan names. The oldest recorded (Vedic) Sanskrit words are found in a horse training manual by a Mitranni horse master named Kikkuli. Although the text is written in the Hittite language, it appears that Kikkuli was not familiar enough with that language to use technical terms, which made it necessary for him to use the terminology of his own language (Vedic Sanskrit) instead.
Inscribed clay tablets discovered in Boğazkale, Anatolia (Turkey), record a royal treaty and invoke the Vedic gods Indra, Mitra, Nasatya & Varuna by the Hittites, another Indo-European tribe, as witnesses. The Boğazkale clay tablets are dated to about 1380 BC. This is around the same time as Kikkuli’s horse training manual.
The Mitranni and Hittites belonged to the Indian-origin haplogroup R1a1a. This is clear evidence of a large-scale westward expansion of Sanskrit-speaking Indo-Aryans, and their presence as the ruling aristocracy in lands thousands of kilometers west of India.
The children of Goddess Danu.
The primordial Rig Vedic river goddess Danu is the mother/progenitor of the Danava clan of Indo-Aryans. The Danavas revolted against the Devas and were eventually defeated and got banished. As it turns out, that was far from the end of their story. The word dānu means “fluid, drop” in Rig Vedic Sanskrit. The Avestan (old Iranian) word for “river” is “dānu”. The Scythian (Saka/Shaka) & Sarmatian words for “river” are also “dānu”.
Now consider this: linguistically, the names of the European rivers Danube, Dnieper, Dniestr, Don, Donets, Dunajec, Dvina or Daugava, and Dysna are all derived from the Rig Vedic Sanskrit root word “dānu”. These rivers flow across eastern & central Europe. These rivers, all named after the Rig Vedic goddess Danu, seem to trace the gradual westward migration through Europe of the Danava clan of Rig Vedic Indo-Aryans.
According to Irish & Celtic mythology, the Irish & Celtic people are descended from a mother goddess - a river goddess - called Danu. The ancient (mythological) people of Ireland are called the Tuatha Dé Danann (Old Irish: “The peoples of the goddess Danu”).
Is there genetic evidence to support this story? As it turns out, there is. The R1a1a haplogroup is rare in Ireland, at 2.5% of the population. This can be explained by the fact that Ireland has suffered many invasions since the Bronze Age, which would have led to the gradual replacement of the R1a1a haplogroup with those of the various invaders. The fact that R1a1a is still present in Ireland proves that people of Indo-Aryan origin settled there in the past (Sharma et al, 2009).
Elsdon Best (1972) in his book wrote that the ancestors of a tribe Tuhoe in New Zealand came from India via Peru. DNA tests on some of them proved the origin of their ancestors. They said that they traveled from India after the Mahabharata war to New Zealand. Thus, the story of Manu dividing up the world among his sons maybe not a myth. (@
In a report published in Nature, a group of scientists and archeologists of the ASI (Archeological Survey of India) and IIT (Indian Institute of Technology, Kharagpur) proved that the cities of Indus valley were at least 9000 years old, not just 3500 years. The cause of the decline was not any Aryan invasion, but a continuous lack of rainfall since that 9000 years when most rivers dried up. That might have caused the outward migration of the Aryans from India (Sarkar, 2016).
(This is quoted from our (Victoria Miroshnik and Dipak Basu), forthcoming book, Ethics, Morality and Business, to be published by Palgrave-Macmillan. )
The most logical presentation.
Thank you very much for your brief elaboration. May God bless you.
Vedic ethics of ethnic cleansing was concerned with erasing of the non-aryan people.
The non-aryans dasyus, dasas, rakshasas, Asuras were being eliminated because:
They were fighting to protect their property and wealth
They refused to contribute to the Yagnas animal sacrifices of the aryans
Their language unintelligible to the aryans
They refused to worship their yagna fed GODS
They were dark colored and flat noses
Thank you
This series of lectures is an excellent treatise that would be of great help for future Indian historians. Thank you Amrita University for making this lecture series.
Thank you Mr Danino and Amrita.
We have actual archaeological evidence of Harappan people having travelled and settled all over including upto Mesopotamia and in central Asia as well.
If Harappans spoke some sort of proto sanskrit language, it's very easy to understand that that's how the connection between the Sanskrit and European languages most probably was formed.🙏🙏
Enlightening lecture. Thanks for sharing.
Very interesting lecture! I must follow this lecture and see how well Dr Danino pick apart the arian invasion theory. I am intriqued :)
I have heard that the poems in Tamil Sangam literature describes the willdlife and vegetation of the Himalayas very extensively. How would that be possible without the memory of life experiences.
saints sadhus sanyasis travelled everywhere in india & even all indians pilgrimage to everywhere in india
so North Indians have gone to south for pilgrimage & south indians have gone to North for pilgrimage.
no rocket science.
but yes culturally & DHARM wise all indians shared & had & have the same culture same Sanskriti same values same ethics same DHARM
Majority of sangam poems composed in middle kingdoms of India in common era.
Because there is no aryan or dravidian. We are all indian and we travelled everywhere. That is why our genes are almost the same (modern 21st century science) not the 19th century european pseudo-science that dravida kazhagam wants to use even now.
@@B4K5H1 rather calling north and south ,Why not call Indians?
@@dharmrakshak6735 yes brother, i just used those words to explain things, otherwise we are all Indians, Bhaaratiya 🕉️🔱🔱🔱🚩
Thank you Michel Danino ji. I'm indebted to you.
As history is a factual interpretation u r way of interpretation is marvelous, fantastic fentabulous...
I would like to bring in notice that, West Benegal in Hooghly district also has a dried up seasonal river which is called Saraswati..
Then which is true saraswati river. If any river run short and vanishes under land can we call it as river.why lecture is emphasis on saraswathi river ,because lecturer want to say aariyans are not migrants of India.
the whole of Saraswati bed dried, from Himalayas to Indu MahaSagar, so she's right about bengal.
somewhere people used the dried bed for agriculture coz of great fertility, somewhere people built temples to mark Mata Saraswati, somewhere built Cities & Civilization.
that's why from the satelite view it's all one river but present state times it's in Himachal Pradesh Punjab Haryana UP Bengal etc.
it's very simple to understand if one wants to understand.
if just wants to keep denying then will not understand coz of agendas
There is also the river Jamuna in Bangladesh which is the Brahmaputra. People keep naming rivers after other rivers they already know. As far as I know, no bronze age settlement has been found along the river bank of the Saraswati in Bengal. And the Rig Veda states the Saraswati ran straight from the mountain to the sea between the Indus & Ganga. So I'm pretty sure the correct one is the one in the lecture.
@@kannabiranmudaliyar7562 it shows how ignorant you are. Putting together all the references from all the vedic literature. It is the only one Sarasvati which is between Yamuna and Sutlej, its none other.
Its not just Saraswati, even genetics is proving nothing of the “aryans”.
Rigved and Puranas give names of tribes of people who migrated out of Indus speaking different dialect who then became the other european languages. Read some primary sources .
@@kannabiranmudaliyar7562 You can name a local swage as saraswati and mislead the whole debate. Rigved and Mahabharat describe exact flow of saraswati between yamuna and satlaj, which is defenately not this one.
Mr. Nilesh Neelkanth Oak in his speech unlike this gentleman, describes not only saraswati river but astronomical observations, geology, hydrology and genetics. You can search his name on youtube.
And who were aryans, can you tell me the name of any king of this dynasty, or where they lived, how they looked, etc.....????
Thank you, Mr. Danino. God bless you.
Excellent scholarship.
Vedic VERSES does not talk about any FOREIGN LAND or any other memory. AIT is wrong.
26:35 Literary evidence
38:30
50:40 Sangam literature
The lecture content itself is valuable but the presentation format is very irritating. First of all the audio volume is irritatingly low - I felt like scratching out my brain. Second, Danino turning his head every few seconds and turning away from the mic creates a huge discontinuity which is extremely distracting. All these irritants deflect from enjoying the talk. Why don't the organizers plan properly for a seamless presentation?
The Aryan migration theory is the mainstream view supported by a super-majority of historians, archaeologists, geneticists, linguists, all around the world, including in India.
The out of India theory or OIT was established chiefly by Hindu nationalists, but not all Hindus. I mean, why would anyone have a problem with a migration theory, it happens all the time. There has been Greek, Han, Iranian Mughals, etc migration into India, why the problem with Aryan migration into India?
It is chiefly Hindu Nationals who have a problem with this. This would be conservative Hindus, not all Hindus. Why? Well, it has to do with the origins of Hinduism, if the Vedas, the earliest compositions of the Hindu faith are in Sanskrit, an Indo-Aryan language, and the speakers of this language didn’t arrive in India until after 2000 BCE, that means Hinduism in India cannot predate 2000 BCE, but for some Hinduism is native to India, and the worlds oldest religion. An Indo-Aryan migration would not allow for that
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In tracing the Brahmin ancestry, the best evidence seen thus far is their religious affinity to the Rg Veda. That is why they are often referred to as the Vedic people. The earliest evidence of Vedic worship is seen in on a cuneiform tablet excavated at El-Amarna in Egypt, on a document from Bogazkoy in Anatolia (Asia Minor). The tablet is in Hittite cuneiform and written in the Akkadian language, and is an adjunct to a treaty between the Hittite king Suppiluliuma and his son-in-law, the Mitannian king Kurtiwaza, and it contains a long list of the gods of the peoples who were parties to it. The tablet is dated around the 14th century BC.
The gods are invoked to witness the conclusion of the treaty and guarantee its observance. The gods of the Mitannians are named in these forms: Mi-it-ra, U-ru-ua-na, In-da-ra, and Na-sa-at-ti-ia-an-na. It is evident that these names correspond to Mitra, Varuna, Indra, and Nasatuau of the Vedic pantheon. The following curse is pronounced against the Mitannians: “If you, Kurtiwaza, the prince, and the sons of the Hurri country do not fulfill the words of the treaty, may the gods, the lords of earth, blot you out, you and the Hurri men together with your country, your wives, and all that you have”.
In this treatise, Mithra (or Mitra) is invoked as the god of contract and mutual obligation. In short Mithra may signify any kind of communication between men and whatever establishes relations between them. The treatise is in the time frame of Israel invading the land of Canaan and their occupation caused a migratory movement in Canaan and surrounding areas. Thus, these early Vedic elements spread to other nations.
Prior to the arrival of the Vedic people, the Indian population, the Dravidians, were considered uncivilized, who were later cultured and illuminated by the Vedic people. The Rg Veda which speaks in derogatory terms of the enemies subdued by the Vedic people, gives the impression that they were all savage barbarians. The Vedic people considered themselves the noble which is arya in Sanskrit, and hence, the evolution into calling themselves the Aryans. However, with the discovery of the Indus Valley civilization in 1920, centuries of error in our history have been exposed. The ancient dwellers in India, the Dravidians, were highly cultured and had developed an advanced and sophisticated way of life.
The land of India is ancient dating back to Indus Valley, however, its lengthy history has been corrected with evidences that have surfaced over time. A good example is the discovery of the Indus Valley Civilization in 1920, exposing the error of the so-called Aryan theory, and there is much more to be corrected and exposed, namely the Caste System.
The world was agnostic to one’s skin color in Shakespeare’s day since otherwise he would not have written Othello where a person of color marries a white woman early in the 17th century? However, the Indian Caste System was devised based on one’s skin color, varna with its associated law book, Varnashrama Dharma or Manu Dharma, and was prevalent in India from around the 8th century. In 1794 William Jones started publishing his translation of Manu Dharma which was in Sanskrit into English, and through the translation of William Jones this social poison entered the society of the world.
My burden is to see the world society restored back to being agnostic to one’s skin color.
I like listening to Michel Danino. But I am fed up with the Aryan issue.
Mr Danilo should clarify on purarivas aila and his descend enðs
The praise of rivers could have been composed after the steppe pastor lists sèttled down
excellent
Aryans, derived from the original Sanskrit word Arya, means cultivated educated person, according to Sri Aurobindo, used to have very high moral standard with great regard for truth, promise and hospitality. Their sages, or Rishis, after many years of meditations and learning, derived some great ideas or hymns(Riks) on God and universe. We follow the Puranas to describe the world.
Recent DNA evidence shows that Europe experienced a massive population influx from the east, beginning around 4,500 years from the present. Several haplo-groups were involved in this expansion, including the Indian-origin R1a1a. This was almost a total replacement event, which indicates that Indo-Aryans, among others, expanded westward into Europe and to a large extent replaced indigenous European males and their Y-chromosome strata (Sharma and his associates, 2009)
This genetic evidence indicates that several Y-chromosomal (patrilineal) lineages, one of which was the Indian-origin R1a1a, gave rise to the modern European population. Out of these lineages, R1a1a is the most widespread and numerous.
Recent DNA evidence shows that Europe experienced a massive population influx from the east, beginning around 4,500 years from the present. Several haplo-groups were involved in this expansion, including the Indian-origin R1a1a. This was almost a total replacement event, which indicates that Indo-Aryans, among others, expanded westward into Europe and to a large extent replaced indigenous European males and their Y-chromosome strata (Sharma and his associates, 2009)
This genetic evidence indicates that several Y-chromosomal (patrilineal) lineages, one of which was the Indian-origin R1a1a, gave rise to the modern European population. Out of these lineages, R1a1a is the most widespread and numerous.
It proves that:
1. The R1a haplogroup originated in India.
2. The Indo-Aryan people have lived in India for at least 15,450 years, which invalidates the theory that the Indo-Aryans invaded India 3,500 years ago.
3. The hundreds of millions of members (possibly over a billion) of the R1a family living across the world today - a very large fraction of humanity - are all descended from one single male ancestor who lived in India at least 15,450 years ago.
This discovery demonstrates the close genetic (and hence linguistic and cultural) affinity of Indians with the Russian and Polish people, the Vikings and Normans, and with the ancient Scythians and Tocharians, among many others (Sharma et al, 2009).
References:
Sharma S., 2009, The Indian origin of paternal haplogroup R1a1* substantiates the autochthonous origin of Brahmins and the caste system. Journal of Human Genetics, 54, 47-55
Sarker, A., A., Deshpande , A., Mukherjee, M. K., Bera,, B., Das, N., Juyal, P., Morthekai, R. D. , Deshpande, V. S., Shinde, V., & Rao, L. S., 2016, Oxygen isotope in archaeological bioapatites from India: Implications to climate change and decline of Bronze Age Harappan civilization, Nature, Scientific Reports volume 6, Article number: 26555.
You actually believe the datings of the Puranas? The Puranas are mainly mythological texts that proport fantastical datings. And Indo-Aryans only came to India a few millennia ago, not the 15,450 years you mention which is just absurd.
@Vidhya Dhara Our human species has lasted for about 300,000 years. But older human species have existed for much longer.
Actually I thought it was only the German Nazi's who thought themselves the descendents of the Aryan.
I am surprised he stated the Brittash were thinking this. How strange.
welcome to golgumbaz, South Indian
All the classes in order th-cam.com/play/PL_ekCOSO0TeMHelmNC2TItn9m7wxTlRHj.html
Where are the other videos? The quality was much better.
Parigter too commented on similar lines
Where is this Amritapuri?
Quite simillar to Slovenia. In schools they still teach pupils, that we came on these area in 6th century, but many clues are, that we came much earlier. In simillar to da-sus: we call Germans 'Nemec' what nean human, who can not speak.
Quite a few hymns could have çomposed in a now archiac language and later translated into vedic
In many lecture of Indian civilizations, they say that Ramayana is epic story. But it's not true the proof is ram seethu joining India and Sri Lanka.
Aryan/arjya words has been derived from Dimasa kachchari language Auriyasa means they are coming from that place and outsider gypsy according to Dimasa kachchari language, Saraswati/sarsadi = sarsa(a river lonely flows starting to ending without no one single assistance river, di(water)see rig veda, Dwarika = D/di(water) + wari(deep and wide water) + Daogah/daoka(king/owner),hastinapur, harappa, mohenjudaro,agni,swaha,swami,danh dang fang,hring khring bring these words are belongs from Dimasa kachchari language.
These have gone from sanskrit
30 years back kerala got. syllabus history text books did not mention these Aryan invasion at all.Just one page in 5th and 8th std. A new race Hunan came from central Asia and they were thought to be responsible for the vedic culture. I feel all these elaborate descriptions got in the text books very recently by some bias.
The truth is in the Genetics.
You can debate this and that theory for the linguistic similarities of European, Indian and Iranic languages, the archaeological evidence, the religious similarities, the phenotype at India's borders(the fact that very indoeuropean looking people live in India's borders in Afghanistan and they are part of a phenotypic continuum that reaches all the way to Ireland), but what you cant debate is the genetic evidence.
The truth is in the Ydna phylogeny.
Yes we can debate that, no actual genetic is got from India, all speculation and approximation.
Christian conversion forces in India has inherent interest to divide Indian society and do there conversions. Christianity is abandoned by most of population in Europe and america etc already.
It’s not abandoned. It’s been subverted by zionism.
@@mrs.hancock4124 almost all west people do not go to church instead watch FOOTBALL.
The subversion of Christendom has been a constant attack from many sides since it’s inception. Protestantism was merely a product of that.
How come History is based on Mythology?
Mythology is at its purest form is romanticised historical events mixed with mysticism
Even mythology has some degree of truth. Some facts and some fiction.
Nilesh nilkand oak have proved aryan invasion is completly false..
Everyone should watch that or read his book.
Surely!
All you proponents of Out of India theory use a strawman argument. Do you know what a strawman argument is? It is when you refute an argument that your opponent has not even presented. No modern Western scholar believes in the Aryan invasion theory, in which white, blond haired, blue eyed, supermen Aryans invaded India and gave them civilization, Hinduism, and the Vedas. That is an old incorrect racist theory that has been debunked centuries ago. The current model is that Aryans, who were moderately brownish skinned, brown haired, black or brown haired, migrated into India and Iran. In India, they developed Sanskrit and composed the Vedas in India itself. The term Aryan solely refers the the Indo-Iranian peoples. Aryans are not white, and they are not European. But Out of India proponents always use a strawman argument and refute the Aryan invasion theory, which is already established as false.
@Vidhya Dhara
Read these papers on the appearance of the Proto-Indo-Europeans. Don't call things ridiculous if you have no knowledge about them.
Mathieson, Iain; et al. (10 October 2015). "Eight thousand years of natural selection in Europe". bioRxiv 10.1101/016477.
Wilde S, Timpson A, Kirsanow K, Kaiser E, Kayser M, Unterländer M, et al. (2014). "Direct evidence for positive selection of skin, hair, and eye pigmentation in Europeans during the last 5,000 y". Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America. 111 (13): 4832-4837. Bibcode:2014PNAS..111.4832W. doi:10.1073/pnas.1316513111. PMC 3977302. PMID 24616518.
Heyd, Volker (2017). "Kossinna's smile". Antiquity. 91 (356): 348-359. doi:10.15184/aqy.2017.21. ISSN 0003-598X.
@@chinmaybhogilal6459 What does Rakhigarhi DNA prove ?
@@chinmaybhogilal6459 You want me to believe there were brown skinned people in Steppe regions of Russia?
Aryan by Birth - Brahmin, Kshatriyas & Vaisyas
Dravidian by Birth - Sudras & Paraiahs (Dalits)
Truth is ALL upper caste North Indians are ALL ARYANS, and all lower caste Sudras & Paraiahs (Dalits) are all Dravidians
People living in Indian Sub continent who are ALL fair in complexion have mostly Steppeland genes in their DNA these people are basically Aryan. People living in Indian Sub continent who are Dark in complexion have mostly South Asian Hunter Gatherer genes in their DNA these people are Dravidian [Tamils] basically.
Tamils means NOT the current day Tamil Nadu state people alone, they represent all Sudras & Praiahas [Dalit] lived across Indian sub - continent. Even today, you can see dark skinned and pale dark skinned people living in North, South, East & West of India, they were all Tamils only in ancient India.
The ancient text Manusimriti designate the Shudra as Peasants and Artisans i.e. Farmers and All Craftsman, Shudra is NOT to mean slaves.
Read the following facts about DNA Studies
Why R1A1 DNA originates in EUROPE, but not in india. why it is it not found or too less in percentage among South Indian people ?
Why M haplogroups DNA is not found in Upper caste Aryans or North indians ? If found why so less ?
If you have read Vedas there are lots of mention about a food made of Horse meat, then why HORSES are not native to INDIA ?
Why copper hoard culture found only with Aryans, but not with Dravidians ?
Why antenna swords found in Sinauli - India which belongs to BMAC - Bactria-Margiana Archaeological Complex ?
Haplo M is found among 60% of modern day indians. It is in every person from south. But here’s the main catch ! It’s only found in depressed classes of northern and tribal peoples of northen india. But, almost to zero to 1-4% among Higher caste Aryans or North indians.
Just like R1A1 not found in south in the same way south’s M groups are not found among R1A1 peoples of north.
So, it is proved beyond doubt that "ALL upper caste North Indians are ALL ARYANS, and all lower caste Sudras & Paraiahs (Dalits) are all Dravidians"
very poor aquostics... Feeble and unclear... so irritating...I had to strain for hours and tired
There were two great migrations of Aryans out of India.
The first, after the great Civil War of Kurkukshetra when few Aryans survived and the transition from Sama Veda to Atharva Veda began with the inter marriage between the Aryas (originally from Central Asia) and the Dhruhyus who brought architecture and agriculture from Mesopotamia) with the Aaagama (that which came from outside) Shastras becoming Sanskritised, went as far as the Balkans and the Baltic.
Then, during Ashoka's destruction of Temples, Gurukulas and persecution of Brahmanism which brought an end to the Vedic period the migrations were largely to the South and the South East. Adi Shankara's ancestors were among them.
A third migration occurred by means of Islamic slave caravans from which the ancestors of present day Romanis escaped.
The ongoing migration to escape persecution by the Indian Republic since 1947 is too well known to mention here.
The Indo Gangetic Plains were too salubrious and fecund for any who came here from the harsher Central Asia or Eastern Europe to return other than by duress. (Or for anybody to immigrate out of)
The Shorutha (Heard) Smartha (Remembered) Aryan oral living tradition is what I represent, portray and believe.
Brahmanism, and The Law (Dharma) originates from the Saptha Rishis with the Prathamo Upanishad from which the notions of Karma and Dharma were born with the Aryan Constitution from which the laws and code of Chivalry were born. This pre date the Rik Veda. The Rik Veda (Taming of Horse and Fire) occurred on the grazing grounds between East Prussia and Mongolia among the pastoral, nomadic Aryans. During the Sukla Yajur Veda period (Archery and chariot war fare) they drove in all directions to raid for food, cattle, women and slaves. Many settled into more luxurious lives.
This was so in the Indo-Gangetic Plain where the Aryans over laid the Druids who had come from Mesopotamia, bringing agriculture and architecture to these lands. The tall fair, polytheistic Lalitha, Vishnu and Shiva worshiping Druids of Mesopotamia too had scattered in many directions to escape the constant harrying by their own apostates who had adopted Yahweh who said unto Abraham, "Put no other Gods before me for I am a jealous God", and the Aryans. In the Indo-Gangetic plain began the joyous tones of the Krishna Yajur Veda from the plenty and luxury of the agricultural and architectural tribute that the Aryans extracted from the Druids.
Under the treaty of Bharatha the Aryan Chiefs formed themselves into a "One for all, and all for one" alliance that made them formidable while they paid tirbute to Arya Mihira, the paramount Chief, North of the Hindu Khush to keep their territory safe. The Vedas and Aryan laws died out with Brahmanism outside the Indo-Gangetic Plain during this period, while it became extremely strong and intricate in the Indo-Gangetic Plains.
This was succeeded by the decadence of the Sama Veda that gave rise to music. Then followed the great civil war that Vyasa's literary masterpiece revolved around. This broke the back of Aryan hegemony. This began the Atharva Veda Period. The Aryans and Druids began to inter marry. Large numbers of Aryans migrated out of the Indo-Gangetic plain, fearing for their safety. The Dasyus entered the Guru Kulas as the fourth Varna with varna mobility thereafter on par with the Aryans.
Agriculture, Architecture, and temple worship entered the Atharva Veda through the Aagama (that which came from outside) Shastras. Siva, Vishnu, Lalitha and the other Druid deities were Sanskritised and the Thraithreya Upanishad was created as a compendium for reference by all the preceding Vedas.
The Vedic period was brought to an end by Ashoka who dismantled the temples and the Gurukulas and persecuted Sanskrit and the Brahmins. A great exodus of Druido-Aryans took place to the far corners of the globe. Adi Shankara, whose ancestors had fled Ashoka's persecution revived Sanskrit, the Vedas and the Brahma Sutras. , and wove the various religions into the Panchayatana (the five deities) comprising the Aryan Sun (idol of Brahma), and merging the Aryan Narayana with the Druid Vishnu, the Aryan Shankara and Rudra with the Druid Shiva, the Aryan Sandhya, Savithri, Gayathri and Saraswathi with the Druid Lalitha, Lashmi, and Parvathi with the tribal Mother Godess into Durga Parameshwari and included the tribal Ganapathi. Most though continued to adhere to their ancestral faiths of Vashnaivism, Shaivism, Shaakthaism, Brahmanism, Necrophagy, Human Sacrifice, Thuggee, Cannibalism and so on, all of which have continued to this day.
Stick to Twitter and TV Ads. Will make more sense to you
Having earned the titles of Pundita, Deekshita and Bharathi from India's most respected centers of Sanskrit learning for my competence in the Vedas and the Ithihasa (History) I do not need the approbation of ignorant hobbyists like yourself who resort to the name calling they learned, in the slums in which they were born and educated, to pretend to erudition.
Discussions and debates can be seen to quickly resolve into A-B-C classification
About 60% (c) devolves rather quickly into name calling and imputing personal qualities to those whose ideas threaten the cultivated belief systems of the participants.
About 3% (a) revolves around serious exploration, learning and inquiry involving, purely, cultured and educated persons.
The Middle Segment 37% (b) comprises discussions between linguistically accomplished persons who are bankrupt in original thinking and learning skills. This segment that comprises the bulk of politicians, bureaucrats, economists, professors, scientists, doctors, engineers, historians and others such as who own, operate and sell the United Nations, Universities, Governments, Newspapers, Intelligence and other such institutions, is almost entirely into semantics masquerading as ideas or debate.
I have no more time to waste on "C" cats like yourself. Go and get an education.
Suchindranath Aiyer you are Westerner who takes degrees in vedas and Sanskrit from India and then use it to malign Indian and Vedic culture. You belong to the breed of Sheldon Pollo and witzel
@@suchindranathaiyer494 very interesting.. My namaskarams to the Saraswathi in you Sri Aiyer.. Is their any book you have written?
Periyar is God, tamilanadu is center of the universe, Tamil is mother of all languages, Tamil people are demigods. All Human came from kumari kandam. First human ever created by god periyar was karunanidhi. That's is it, that's the history, every other thing is a lie. Lord Karl Marx is avatar of God periyar to civilize western people. Hinthi people came from Persia. IVC, Mesopotamia, Egyptian all were ancient Tamil civilizations.
All true!
To verify this, one must start learning Tamil.
@@nathenpeter7 Tamil is one of the most useless language as far a religion, geopolitics, geoecononics, history, education, and linguistics are concerned. If someone desire to waste time, they can think of learning Tamil.
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1. In same puranooru we found a record of Ilamchetchenni (father of karikalan cholan) who resist the bindusara (Son of chandragupta maurya) in South India during maurya expansion
2. In same puranooru says karikalan cholan was gifted by arch in avanti and also gifed by pearl canopy by vajra(great grandson of Lord Krishna)
Iam not come to argue about which language is older or better. In the same case scholar like you also consider about our language history too. Don't be biased to Sanskrit.. That's our only request
😢 sanskrit is not my language or your language
it's our language from primordial times
Hindi Punjabi Kannad Prakrit Bengali Tamil Telugu Malayalam English Russian French Latin etc.came much much later.
don't hate sanskrit my brother 🙏
At least we know for sure Quran is a curse on humanity. Only Tiirukkural is the true Book of God.
@@B4K5H1 please read history, nope Sanskrit is not the oldest language than tamil
@@mohanmano3165 you mean Marxist history? Or the one which was created to justify the Aryan invasion theory & south north Aryan dravid divide?
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@@nissar_fasil history before Mauryan are you kidding me or yourself?
even in this Kaliyuga times we have non stop continuous history from Kuru Pandu Krishna Pandavas Bhoj Lalitaditya Shaaks Vikramaditya Mauryas Guptas Cholas Marathas Rajputs Sikhs and so on.
Russian archeologists who had excavated the Aryan ruins in Arkheim in Sintasta-Petrovska valley in the eastern slopes of the Ural Mountain said that Aryans came from the east of Iran, which was India. There are many words of Sanskrit in Russian, but there were no Russians in Sanskrit.
However, in our Puranas, there are many histories that Siberia was called Uttara Kuru, where a lady from Afghanistan went to learn science and obtained the title Saraswati.
The milk sea mentioned in our Puranas is still there in the north of Siberia, where the Daityas used to live.
Please read The Hindu History by AK Mazumdar, published in 1917.
Thus 'Out of India' is more reliable.
you are pathetic 😂 Majumdar was nothing more than a chela a chamcha of max muler types & you are believing him?
poor you
Probably because Russia is named after the Russ that conquered it.
Let whatever he says, but the truth is in front of us. Color is not playing big role in india but caste plays a big role. What the literature says is resembling with the research. One particular caste is behaving like a superior in india. No doubt in that. But still we are indians. We have a modern constitution. We will settle the issue.
Look who is saying.
Why a French man would speak with an Indian accent is beyond me. He has literally gone from the most universally liked accent to the most universally hated accent.
His last name is actually of Southern Italian origin (Neapolitan).
Are you muslim?
Since the video contains Ambedkar.
The speaker should read the book 'Riddles in Hinduism ' by ambedkar
He has mentioned so many times about aryan and Aryan god's.
I am not sure ambedkar said those words which is in video. But he insists Aryan culture has influenced. So I am not agreeing this video. Please read the book Riddles in Hinduism. This book is about Aryans
Bhai calm down. There's no need to Copy/Paste same comment at 10 places.
@@samarjeetsingh7020 ok Bhai.
2 places in same video.
10 times only sangies will do that.
@@ggamer7709 A fool always blames another fool to get away for his own foolishness. 🙂
@@samarjeetsingh7020 no Bhai.
This video misleads mentioning ambedkar. Ambedkar has mentioned about aryan gods and Aryans in Riddles in Hinduism. It's in government websites.
You gotta read the book and turn normal from foolishness.
This guy should watch Article 15 movie.
I didn't know that to understand Aryan Invasion/Migration Theory, I needed to refer to a Bollywood Movie. Please do let me know if I could refer to your mouth for pi**ing.
alright, rig Veda mentioned horses and iron. can you able to show horse and iron before 2000 BC in India??
this is stupid lecture and totally fabrication..
Saraswati is mentioned in Rig Veda is In Afghan not India, this is misunderstood another dried up river.. and later Saraswati offen thought to be merger with Yamuna and Ganga .
Saraswati river was not in India ? Pls read the following link
www.ibtl.in/blog/2102/river-saraswati-as-described-in-scripture/
Saraswati was indeed in Indian subcontinent. In Rig Veda, Saraswati is mentioned 71 and in Ramayan nearly 5 to 6 times . In Mahabharat too it is mentioned that Balaram took pilgrimage to the holy sites on the banks of river Saraswathi. Moreover, Mahabharata also clearly mentiones that kurukshetra lies to the south of Saraswati and North of Dhrishtavthi. More over, the dried bed of the river has been find out. Clearly the satellite images shows the dried river bed which matches with the description of Vedas and Mahabharata.
Next coming to horse, pls note that new archeological evidence has been found . In a very important discovery, more than 5000 yrs old horse remains have been found at Surkotada in Bhuj, Gujarat. Not only here. Horse teeth and bone remains also been found in other places like Malvan, Ropal, Kalibangan, Lothal etc.
Meghalaya Ridechennai listen dr David Frawlly's lecture on aryan invation
Actually horses and chariots have been found in IVC sites in Gujrat and Sanauli UP. So this entire logic of aryans bringing Horse and Iron is bullshit. Iron mining in India is not exported but local development. This has been proven archeologically. When iy comes to Archeology vs historians i believe in archeology, Indian historians esp. Those in prestigeous universities always have undermined Indianness of indian civilization. Thes are typical communists like romila thapar..who fabricated this story .. even theue arguments have been disproven by archeology.
Hi Meghalaya Ridechennai, I am curious how you would respond to the new evidence about horses that multiple people brought up in response to your comment?
And also Iron Smelting plants found at the Ganga Basin dating to 2000BC -1900BC...
Tamil is mother of Sanskrit!
Tamil is closely related to mother of Dravidian language. Not mother of telugu, Kannada or any other languages. Proto Dravidian is the mother of Indian languages
And is mother of tamil is the kachchari language of North east India.
Japanese is mother of Tamil.
Lol
@MSD CR7 periyar is father of Jesus.
Half baked!
This author and the others are bending their back to prove some flimsy thing. I am totally unable to understand as to why they oppose the non indigenous origin of Sanskrit peoples theory.
For a sample, let me challenge a few things:
(1) Either in this part or in the next part of the series, the author says that the word "Anasa" does not mean "noseless" but that it means "speechless" in the sense that the enemies of the Rigvedic people could not say the Mantrams clearly. So they were called " speechless (as per the author). In that case also it very well means that the non vedic people were speaking a different language than the vedic peoples. This implies that Rig vedic people were different from the locals. Only one of the two groups could be called the locals. The fact is that Dravidian speech form, to this day, does not differentiate between voiced and unvoiced consonants. I wish to remind the listeners as well as the author, that Dravidian languages had only 30 characters as it is in Tamil today. Telugu language as well Kannada also had only 30 characters. Malayalam had the extra letters introduced into the Vattezhuthu system with the express purpose to get pronunciation closer to Sanskrit for Sanskrit words. So, either without the nose or without the mouth, whichever angle one chooses, the chances are that the opponents of Rig Vedic peoples were Dravidians. Dravidian phonetics is COMPLETELY different. They had the need to invent 3 letters for the sound of L, three for the sound of N, 2 for the sound of R and letters for nasal sounds and STRANGELY, did not differentiate voiced and unvoiced consonants. To this day Malayalam and Tamil are more nasal than other languages.
Tamil and other South Indian languages do not have consonant clusters. Tamil does away with these completely even for Sanskrit borrowed words while others use it only to write Sanskrit words. Anybody who misses this point cannot be called a scholar. One must note that consonant clusters are copious in European languages and Sanskrit on the other hand.
(2). This author makes a mountain out of a mole hill when he says that some poet who wrote a poem in the Vedams is reciting the names of the rivers in a certain order. This is a child like argument. The poet might have just memorized the names in this order. Or he could have traveled recently thus may be remembering the names of the rivers in that order. BUT IT MUST BE NOTED THAT THAT POET did not compose the poem with the names of Kaveri, Krishna or Godhavari or Bramaputhra rivers. He just was a foreigner to the places the rivers which flow in modern India. This means that these people cannot be called Indians in a greater sense. These were either foreigners or very local to the area where the said rivers flow through.
(3) It is a complete fallacy to think that India as we now know today was a single country, single culture, single language, single people since those days. This is far from the truth. Rig Vedic people are peoples of modern day Pakistan, Afghanistan and perhaps Punjab. I can, to a certain degree of correctness say that a country called Rig Vedia existed as an extension of central Asia and was not part of "India"!
(4) Unless anybody proves that Dravidian languages and Munda languages are derivatives of Sanskrit, the theory that Sanskrit speakers were foreigners holds true.
anasa may mean asuras and the war mentioned may be between asuras and devas. they are mythological and not real for in the frame of this physical world. they(britishers) used this to create differences in the people or to develop people as their clerks(who would obey them because of their aryan origins). you don't know telugu for sure. It has 56 characters and is largely influenced by the Sanskrit. so your linguistic arguments are poor in fundamental points.Tamil and other South Indian languages do have consonant clusters for sure.
similar is the case with other claims.
2) I do not agree with this lecture in many respects. but India is for sure has cultural and religious(not in the narrow western sense) unity. vishnu purana mentions that the land southern to Himalayas and northern to the ocean is known as Bharata. Its compilation date is estimated variously as Vincent Smith (1908): 400-300 BCE,CV Vaidya (1925): ~9th-century,Moriz Winternitz (1932): possibly early 1st millennium, but states Rocher, he added, "it is no more possible to assign a definite date to the Vishnu Purana than it is for any other Purana".Rajendra Chandra Hazra (1940): 275-325 CERamachandra Dikshitar (1951): 700-300 BCE,Roy (1968): after the 9th-century. in any case since its compilation (atleast) India exists in the minds of its subjects irrespective of their rulers and kingdoms.
every one in their rituals say bharata varshe, bharata kande etc right from kashmir to kanyakumari.
3) many such verses can be quoted both from puranas and individual works of several poets and intellects.
4)there are different religious networks such as jyothirlingas, sakthipeetas, and kashi rameswaram pilgrimage etc which keeps people united.
5) many such points can be raised but I leave here because of my laziness and lack of interest. India is a country in past, present and will remain as a single entity forever. jai hind.
I will give you the final word. (1) I said Telugu "had" 30 letters only during some of its history. This I learned from a guy who was scholarly. Extensions were made specifically for Sanskrit words which you are acknowledging yourself. (2) Now you are giving a different explanation to the word "anasa". This is what Sanskritists do. The goalpost constantly moves. (3) Consonant clusters are prevalent in Sanskrit words only.Dravidian (South Indian) words are not like this. Our words are interspersed with vowels in between. For example, they even write Krishna as Krsn. I had a colleague from Poland whose name was spelt as Kaccmarchsk. In our school days, there was a slang which went like this: Engli pease, Angli pease, Vayellam PunnAachu". Tarnslation: English or Anglos what ever it is called makes the mouth to pain (during learning). All I am saying is that phonetics of a foreign language is harder. It is discenible that the locals with whom the Rig Vedic Sanskrittan folks were fighting could have been Dravidian. (3) All these emotional things like Kasi Rameswaram etc are based on religion. Today about 10 % of the people in TN and 25% of the people in Kerala are Christians. Let us say that this reaches 100%. And let us say that we make pilgrimages to Jerusalem and Vatican. Can this anyway mean that these people are natives of Rome? All your puranams are just puranams, just some stories.
As I said, the poets of Rig Vedam did not know Krishna or Godavari or Kaveri. Later day travellers might have known these rivers. Just as the modern day English man brought Christianity, the Sanskrittans brought Rig Vedam and Sanskrit. Bible will not speak about Kaveri nor does Rig Vedam. It is plain and simple. These people are not native to our land.
It is all plain and simple as the following: The author spent several laborious hours to deny.
"Without European invasion, there would be no English in India today. Without Mohammedan invasion, there would be no Hindi in India. Without an Aryan invasion, there would have been no Sanskrit in India". Truth is just as simple as this.
oh! then goalpost shouldn't be moved because you are in the winning edge and we should obey you and accept your interpretation of these sacred texts. very nice. go on and try hard to split India. I think these westerners are sole proprietors of these Indian literature. I pity Indians who study their texts in the light of foreign Interpretations.
Gunzo Gunzo hi who says there was only one local culture. According to current map of India there were 6 language groups. Indo- Aryan(Vedic), dravidians, Munda, Andaman, burushaski( Kashmir) and one more tribal. Every one of these languages is tribal and India does not belong to either Aryan or dravidians but to all of these 6 language groups. Now among these Vedic group dominated which I can't even say with full confidence because there is lot of cultural and genetic intermixing. So when you say either Aryan or dravidians you you also need to think about remaining 4.
Nobody is forcing you to read vedas. However, I feel South indians are more traditional and religious in their approach.
Additionally, very few people will be able to change your opinion because you live in kind of Inferiority complex because they taught you this fallacy of Aryans and dravidians from childhood. So you wanna create your own identity and own traditions. You call it dravidians way. The next step for people like you is conversion because you hate yourself and your culture because of this wrong information. I believe in OIT and I also read your comments in other video of taalagiri where you actually talk to him. Nobody can help you. Lets end this on a joke..Once AiDMK leader karunanidhi said we will stop doing ramlila and will start ravanlila because ram was Aryan and ravan was dravidian. So ravan is our king. The later day he fell ill and realized that ram was kshatriya and ravan was Brahmin and the name of hospital was ramachandra hospital. Get over identity crisis my friend.!
Stop your nonsense. After admitting that India had 6 different linguistic groups and various cultures, you went on a rant for nothing. Who the !@#^ are you to talk this nonsense about inferiority superiority etc? You believe in OIT? Ya, keep that to yourself. All this casteism like Bramin etc are the handiwork of people like you. In case you think I am some wretched Indian, hell no. I am an educated person who has migrated to USA and I care less about the worthless rupees and the god damn country and culture of yours. In case you think that I am from some out caste person, I am not that either. You would have to stand before me with a begging bowl I mind you. Let me hasten to say I respect the untouchable people of India whom I consider to be the most victimized souls on this mother earth. Now, go and worship all the scoundrels masquerading as religious leaders in the !@#^-ing country of yours.
Indo-European language does not exist. This is Serbian language. Aryans are Serbs who in three occasions (about 4000, 3400 and 2400 years ago) invaded/migrated to India led respectively by three Serbian rulers - Nino Belov (biblical Nimrod, founder of Babylon -> search Google: ‘serbian arms Baghdad museum’), Serbo Makaridov (also mentioned in the Bible) and Alexander (i.e. Lesander) Macedonian the Great (he is NOT Greek!). The last invasion was not called Aryans but he followed the steps of his predecessors, passing Persia (because Aryans in Iran). Serbs are European indigenous people (like Australian Aborigines or American ‘Indians’ with almost the same destiny, subjected to genocide). Serbian alphabet is 6000 years old, the language is much older than Latin, Greek and Hebrew, English and German languages are 800 and 600 years old!!! Swastika is a Serbian symbol (rising sun) from 7000 years ago. Serbs lived between Baltic, Atlantic, Black Sea, Mediterranean, Asia Minor, northern Africa, Crete (Mino dynasty is Serbian!)
There are some (in English) words which are identical in modern Serbian language and Sanskrit:
Garden, fire, laughing, love, inflame, crazy, town, force, spark, sweet, sword, hellebore, cross, dark, spook, bell, learn, skin, mare, espouse, strike, chimney, when, who are you, whoredom, grandmother, grandfather, mother, father, world, dog, mouth, guest, mane, breading, belvedere, alive, then, supreme, traveler, friend, to sit, dead, by itself, give, door, virgin, cold, jungle, cloths, hide, light, bracelet, fuck…
There are many words which are almost identical. For example, almost identical, more complicated, but single words are for: husband’s mother, husband’s brother’s wife, wife’s sister’s husband, wife’s brother’s wife, husband’s sister’s husband, etc.
Is this coincidence?
Apparently, you do not know anything European history or you are joking. Vatican agenda? They falsified ancient and the first millennium EU history. They committed and sponsored multiple genocides over centuries against Serbs and killed dozens of millions. I do not know what are you talking about. I do not negate any chariots or golden coins. It is not in contradiction that Serbs-Aryans came to India in 2000BC. There are still thousands of identical words in Sanskrit and modern Serbian. There are hundreds of Serbian toponyms in India/Pakistan identical to names of rivers and mountains in Serbia. What does it mean word STAN in the names of SA countries and regions? And hundred other things. I do not negate high levels of civilizations in India before and after Aryans expeditions to SA.
Russian archeologists who had excavated the Aryan ruins in Arkheim in Sintasta-Petrovska valley in the eastern slopes of the Ural Mountain said that Aryans came from the east of Iran, i.e., India.
However, in our Puranas, there are many histories that Siberia was called Uttara Kuru, where a lady from Afghanistan went to learn science and obtained the title Saraswati.
The milk sea mentioned in our Puranas is still there in the north of Siberia, where the Daityas used to live.
Please read The Hindu History by AK Mazumdar, published in 1917.
From Russia, Aryans went to Ukraine, then Bulgaria Serrbia and Greece.
Serbs are slavs, you loony.
Take your loony theories elsewhere.
Why i see so many coments of people claiming they know more than the doctor who has dedicated his life to the subject, dr. michael cremo also is very respected and has lost of proof on the subject
Really ?
They came from serbia ?
I thought it was for Italy ? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
There are no evidence of the Aryan invasion theory, from Lithuania, carrying the sanskrit language.
Indians came out of Africa from the Somalia/Ehiopia region, crossing 15 miles of the Red Sea, as the migration of dark populations of southern Arabia, Oman, Sumer, Baluchistan, Sindh, and ultimately Gujrat 9between 125000-56000 bp) where the Yadv (Yadu, Jadu) tribe of Krishna prospered and multiplied to 38 million (recorded in Vishnu Puran) by the end of the ice age, enabling dating death of mortal Krishna about 9500 bc.
The Jadu people spread all over India, carrying Sanatan religion of Krishna, and the Gujrati prakrit with them, explaining religious and linguistic uniformity of the people of south Asia.After the end of the Harappan civilization (4000-1900 bc), tribes like Scythians, Haihaya, Yue Chi etc., entered India and formed the consortium named Kuru who destroyed the mighty Jadu with support of the Parsi-Babylonian alliance and replaced the Sanatan with the Semitic religion of Hinduism(Parsi coinage)
Naimul Haq. you have limited knowledge. keep it with u.
chill Rajput Indian people migrated from Somalia/Ethiopia region 65000 years ago crossing the Red Sea into Yemen, Oman, Sumria, Baluchistan, Sindh and Gujrat (32000 bp).
The Vishnu Purana records that the Yadav tribe of Krishna (11000 bp) prospered and multiplied to 38 million and spread all over India carrying Sanatan religion and the Gujrati prakrit, explaining linguistic and religious uniformity of India. Today 70-80 % Indians are from the Yadav tribe, also called Yadu, or Jadu.
++Naimul Haq, Heres another fact- DID YOU KNOW ... The Prophet Muhammad made sexual advances on Safiyah a Jewish girl in the same day he captured her town, Kheibar, and killed her father, husband and many of her relatives. Reyhana was another Jewish girl of Bani Quraiza whom he used as sex slave after killing all her male relatives. In the last ten years of his life he accumulated a score of wives, concubines and sex slaves including the 6 year old Ayesha. A MAN OF MORE THAN 50 YEARS HAVING SEXUAL CONTACT WITH GIRL OF ONLY 9 IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE, IT'S JUST REALLY REALLY DISGUSTING !!! NOW YOU KNOW. Dear fellow Muslim: Is this the Islam you believe in ? Have some SHAME or be ready for the reception of YAMDEV in hell..
WHY do muslims forget to ASK themself the following question: "WHY is the NAME of the father of muhammed "ABDALLAH", which means "slave of allah". MUHAMMED WAS NOT EVEN BORN YET! *The answer is: allah(the moon-idol of Mecca) was allready there in Mecca before muhammed was born and was a pagan moon-idol which the father of muhammed Abdallah was allready worshipping together with Amina who is the mother of muhammed. The arab pagans in Mecca worshipped 360 idols in the early Ka'bas and there were many ka'bas back then. According to hadith someone asks muhammed, "Where are my parents?" Muhammed then answers: *"My father and your father are in Hell Fire(source: sahih muslim (203)." Now why is the father of "the best of creation" in Hell Fire again? :) Well because abdallah worshipped allah the moon-idol before muhammed was born!!!!
All you proponents of Out of India theory use a strawman argument. Do you know what a strawman argument is? It is when you refute an argument that your opponent has not even presented. No modern Western scholar believes in the Aryan invasion theory, in which white, blond haired, blue eyed, supermen Aryans invaded India and gave them civilization, Hinduism, and the Vedas. That is an old incorrect racist theory that has been debunked centuries ago. The current model is that Aryans, who were moderately brownish skinned, brown haired, black or brown haired, migrated into India and Iran. In India, they developed Sanskrit and composed the Vedas in India itself. The term Aryan solely refers the the Indo-Iranian peoples. Aryans are not white, and they are not European. But Out of India proponents always use a strawman argument and refute the Aryan invasion theory, which is already established as false. Puranas have fantastical datings that are not be trusted. All you people are Islamophobes who always like to put down Islam and Muslims. You need to get out more and interact with more Muslims and you'll find out that they are all not bad people. And instead of responding to Numal Haqs argument, you attacked Islam instead. This is a clear cut case of ad hominen, a logical fallacy in which you attack the character of someone instead of their argument.
All lie this bramins will transform evry thing, like culture, language, and even god to their favour. This is the habit of bramins.
Re Lalua..You were in jail na? Fodder Scam wasn't enough for you..thief?
Trash vedas that talk about Aryan invasion. EVIDENCE OF ARYANS ARE IN VEDAS...Particulars of Hymns and Verses in ten Mandalas of Rigveda are given. For example, Hymn 1, Verse 2, Page 459.
Particulars of Passages in Taittiriya Samhita are given. For example, Passage I, 3, 9, 2, Page 91.
Particulars of Hymns in Vajasaneyi Samhita are given.
Particulars of Sama Veda Samhita are given.
Vedas talk about aryan invasion so Vedas were written by Osama bin laden and Churchill.
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DRAVIDIAN ARE NATUVE INDIANS. ADI Sankaran who claimed he is a dravida sisu...Mahabharatha Pancha gurjara, malawa, telugu, kannada, and dravida Mahabharata links the origin of Dravidas with sage Vasistha. Viswamitra, a king in the Ikshwaku clan, attacked the cow of Vasistha
Kharavel , King of kalinga (orissa) mentioned Dravida sangathan 1 or 2 BC in his incription. That means friendhip or diplamatic relations with dravidian kingdoms in the south.
Kalhana, in his Rajatarangini (c. 12th century CE), classifies the following five Brahmin communities as Pancha Dravida, stating that they reside to the south of the Vindhyas:
You need to study deep
In veda there is no aryan theory lier
What is the “aryan issue”? That aryans are real and were responsible for civilization? From the Indus Valley to China to Ireland.
This lecture is insufficient. He ignited something inside. I have to read his books.