One of my sons laughs at me and my ancient machines."Get a 3d printer man" he says.My answer:can't I at least enjoy being damn old?Rustinox does it and he's not old.Your my argument now.My other son says"when you croak I have to move this junk"My answer:lifes tough aint it?I don't care what they think ,thank's for another very cool video.Your coming back to full power.thats evident
@@Rustinox Thank's for your comment.I respect your opinion.I'm facing similar health issues as yourself.and having a tiny workshop is a big help for me as well as enjoying your approach to problem solving.Well Cheers to art,music,children,the beauty of women,puppies,nature in general and of course our marvelous machines and much more.
I wasn't aware till now that your shaper was 3 phase, but the VFD is an excellent idea - gives you way more flexibility in selecting cutting speeds. Good to see you up and at it as best as possible for the moment!
Glad to see you're well enough to get back in the practical world. I'd never thought about a need for lower speed on the shaper - mostly people say its too slow compared to milling. They conveniently avoid talking about the cost of cutters, and the versatility available to those of us with more time than money.
Hi! I used an other FC (frequency converter) for my drilling press with the same configuration like you. Motor 3 phases 750 Watts. FC the same power 750 W. And i had the same problems with slow speed! I heard, that you will need 1,5x more power as the Motor! Maybe thats the problem! BG from Austria
@@thomasfischer6548 I hear what you are saying about the power matching of a VFD to the motor. If memory serves me right it is the Amps of the VFD that is important.
Thanks for your comment. Most shapers (even small ones) can go lower than 60 strokes/min, so there's no need of VFD. As i said in the video, for some applications 60 is too much.
Good video, we have seen many VFD instalations on lathes and mills etc but not on a shaper before. Good to see you being busy , look after yourself mate.
Good to see u working in the shop! I think this is the first shaper i have seen with a vfd, way cool! You cant masure voltage with typical voltage meter, a vfd makes dc from ac, stores it in capacitor banks and the invertor part chops up the dc into artificial ac, its not a perfect sine wave like what u get from your wall socket.
Nice video Michel, I enjoyed it very much as I would like to get one of those for my mill-drill for power tapping and reversing, as well as variable speed control instead of the awkward belt system. You are looking well and that sense of humour of yours is always welcome here. Enjoyed and at peace with the world. cheers!
Looks like a nice, clean install, Mike 😁. Imho soldering is better than those little sleeves, electric clik ley speaking 🤣. Great video man! Cheers! 👍😁👍
Good morning Michel: this material here in Brazil is known as chipboard and also has MDF, both of which are industrialized, I know these materials well, I am a carpenter by profession and I also like metarlugia, I am also trained in mechanical fitter, and I always like your videos with good ideas.
That long cut at 50Hz was crazy scary! One further benefit is that you can show slow motion cuts with out the need to edit the video:) Good to see you looking well, take care.
Nice! Only those soldered cable ends are not the best solution, they can cause malfunctions in the long term. It is better to press ferrules on the cable ends. Anyway, just my 2cts.
Good to see you back in your workshop Rustinox. Looking good. I've seen others using VFD's to provide slow speeds on various machines and heard it said that you loose the torque in your motor using a lower frequency. I'm no electrician and I haven't got any VFD's so maybe you can test this out on your shaper. Lets hope it works alright so its a good quick easy improvement. Tony
@@Rustinox , Tony is right. Check your VFD manual, if you have vector control function - turn it on. This will give you consistent torque on small speeds. Otherwise you should buy vector VFD. I have Delta vfd-m from aliexpress on my drill press and it works prefect on small speeds. And it’s only about 70$.
Hi Rusty I am enjoying your videos. I too shall soon have a shaper running on a VFD as we don't have 3 phase in domestic houses in the U.K. Have you thought about adding an emergency stop Very easy to do on the control side of the VFD.
Thanks Tony. I don't see the need af a emergency stop on the vfd. It's installed too far from the shaper to be useful. I always use the clutch and the switches on the machine itself.
Good point about the clutch. If I understand you correctly the machine switches are between the motor and the VFD, i.e. When you use the machine stop switch the VFD is still outputting 3 phase ? If so this is very bad for the VFD and could kill it. It's good to see you back in the workshop.
So apparently your shaper had a 3 Phase motor on it from the start? Is that common where you live. Here in the US it is very uncommon residences to have 3 phase current. Or is it that your VFD can be used on a normal single phase motor.....I am a little confused. I too have the same problem of the machine running faster than I would like. Thank you for this video, it was well done indeed.
Holy lord, you're becoming professional! What's next? CNC'ing the thing? ;) Seriously though, you did a great job and it's good to see you back at work! Seems like you found the only VFD that doesn't create an ear-rupturing squealing noise, too! All the best Adrian
Ik heb dezelfde vfd op mijn draaibank. werkt prima maar helaas geen "vector control", maar dat niet echt een probleem zover. En redelijk stil :) De motor wordt wel een beetje warm tijdens het boren van grotere gaten (lagere frequentie). Niet extreem warm, maar het is wel iets om in de gaten te houden. Vraagje heeft die schaafbank van jouw ook nog van die ouderwetse isolatie draden intern?
In 1991 is deze machine volledig gereveseerd geweest, dus ook de bedrading. Allemaal mooi nieuwe vinil beklede draden. ( nu ja, bijna 30 jaar oud) Ben je toevallig geinteresseerd in een kopie van de originele handleiding?
Does the vfd hurt the motor when running that slow? Most motors are designed to run 60 hertz, is the power/torque the same? I’d think it would be much less.
The stroke length is set by moving the crankpin. So the crankpin of your shaper must be moving when under heavy load. I think you should check if there's not any wear in the locking system that could prevent it from tightening properly.
I have exatly the same AI shaper as you heve, and because I don't have 380 volts in my barn I run it for years with a frequency controller. We have the same problem that our shapers don't like slotting 😂😂, is it the shaper or have all small shapers the same problem ?
I've seen small shapers make perfect slots, so i suppose it's the machine. On mine i left the belt a bit loose so it slips when something go bananas. I prefer a slipping belt than brake something. (as you can see in the video)
Your business is distinguished and professional. We wish a video about forming sheet cutting mold on metal scraping machine
I'm afraid i don't understand your suggestion. Can you explain a bit better?
I have long held out to fit a VFD on my Myford lathe. Seeing your success with your shaper I am now tempted 🤔👏👏👍😀
Go for it. It works fine.
One of my sons laughs at me and my ancient machines."Get a 3d printer man" he says.My answer:can't I at least enjoy being damn old?Rustinox does it and he's not old.Your my argument now.My other son says"when you croak I have to move this junk"My answer:lifes tough aint it?I don't care what they think ,thank's for another very cool video.Your coming back to full power.thats evident
I think that's a good attitude, Norman. Don't let others decide for you. Do wat you want and have fun.
@@Rustinox Thank's for your comment.I respect your opinion.I'm facing similar health issues as yourself.and having a tiny workshop is a big help for me as well as enjoying your approach to problem solving.Well Cheers to art,music,children,the beauty of women,puppies,nature in general and of course our marvelous machines and much more.
Looks to work, a little practice with it you will be good to go. Thanks for sharing Michel.
Now i have one reason more to go play in the workshop.
you seem to have more energy...happy to see you working in the shop.. God Bless....
Thanks Paul. Indeed, i'm feeling better.
Cool stuff. Looks like it could unlock many more options
And fun to play with.
I wasn't aware till now that your shaper was 3 phase, but the VFD is an excellent idea - gives you way more flexibility in selecting cutting speeds. Good to see you up and at it as best as possible for the moment!
Thanks Everett. I haven't play much with it but it seems to work well. It was indeed a good idea.
Hi Rustinox, hope you're doing ok. Great to see another video. Regards Kevin
Thanks Kevin. I'm feeling good. As good as new... almost.
Glad to see you're well enough to get back in the practical world. I'd never thought about a need for lower speed on the shaper - mostly people say its too slow compared to milling. They conveniently avoid talking about the cost of cutters, and the versatility available to those of us with more time than money.
Hi! I used an other FC (frequency converter) for my drilling press with the same configuration like you. Motor 3 phases 750 Watts. FC the same power 750 W. And i had the same problems with slow speed! I heard, that you will need 1,5x more power as the Motor! Maybe thats the problem! BG from Austria
@@thomasfischer6548 I hear what you are saying about the power matching of a VFD to the motor. If memory serves me right it is the Amps of the VFD that is important.
Thanks for your comment.
Most shapers (even small ones) can go lower than 60 strokes/min, so there's no need of VFD.
As i said in the video, for some applications 60 is too much.
Good video, we have seen many VFD instalations on lathes and mills etc but not on a shaper before. Good to see you being busy , look after yourself mate.
Thanks Lee, i will.
Keep the faith tough guy. C'est bon!!! Brian
I will keep...
Good to see u working in the shop! I think this is the first shaper i have seen with a vfd, way cool!
You cant masure voltage with typical voltage meter, a vfd makes dc from ac, stores it in capacitor banks and the invertor part chops up the dc into artificial ac, its not a perfect sine wave like what u get from your wall socket.
That's interesting. I didn't know that. Thanks for letting know.
Machine NZ has also a VFD on his shaper.
th-cam.com/video/Gb2FIDZiCUk/w-d-xo.html
Nice job rusty!
Thanks.
I am glad you are feeling better. Thanks for sharing
Me too. Thanks.
Nice video Michel, I enjoyed it very much as I would like to get one of those for my mill-drill for power tapping and reversing, as well as variable speed control instead of the awkward belt system. You are looking well and that sense of humour of yours is always welcome here. Enjoyed and at peace with the world. cheers!
Thanks.
Go for it, this VFD is very handy. (and only 105€)
That vfd seems to work very well. Seems to increase the flexibility of the system. Also it's awesome to have a new video. Keep strong!
Thanks Bruno, i will.
Very nice VFD. I plan to install one two. Great to see your energy level back.
Thanks Randy.
Go for it. It works really well and is easy to install.
Looks like a nice, clean install, Mike 😁. Imho soldering is better than those little sleeves, electric clik ley speaking 🤣. Great video man! Cheers! 👍😁👍
Thanks Chris. This was an easy one.
Thanks for the great video! I like your cutting oil can with built-in brush 😎
Thanks. This brush is really handy.
That works really well... I have been think about something like that for my little shaper.
Take care
Paul,,
Stop thinking, Paul, and go for it.
Good morning Michel: this material here in Brazil is known as chipboard and also has MDF, both of which are industrialized, I know these materials well, I am a carpenter by profession and I also like metarlugia, I am also trained in mechanical fitter, and I always like your videos with good ideas.
Thanks Pedro. I know this marerial well too. We made speaker boxes out of them.
@@Rustinox For speaker is an excellent material.
Michel I am happy to see you in good health.
Neat video 👍
Thanks.
That would be just fine, abd I shall be honored for sure!
And in addition I look forward to your response.
Glenn
OK, thanks.
That long cut at 50Hz was crazy scary! One further benefit is that you can show slow motion cuts with out the need to edit the video:)
Good to see you looking well, take care.
Slo mo? I didn't thought of that.
Nice to see you getting some shop time 👍🏼
I told you i'll be back.
Nice! Only those soldered cable ends are not the best solution, they can cause malfunctions in the long term. It is better to press ferrules on the cable ends. Anyway, just my 2cts.
Thanks. I case of problems i can always fix it.
Awesome on the vfd install. Very cool
Thanks. And it works.
You have enough room in your shop to fit a Bridgeport Mill. Think of the fun you could have. 🤔
I'm thinking more of a bigger shaper. We'll see...
@@Rustinox Yes your shaper needs a big brother.
Great addition, soon you will have the best equipped shaper on youtube:-)
One day maybe...
Good to see you back in your workshop Rustinox. Looking good. I've seen others using VFD's to provide slow speeds on various
machines and heard it said that you loose the torque in your motor using a lower frequency. I'm no electrician and I haven't got
any VFD's so maybe you can test this out on your shaper. Lets hope it works alright so its a good quick easy improvement. Tony
Thanks Tony. Indeed, there is less torque at slow speed but that's no problem. I gonna use it most for the cheer tool, so no need of much power.
@@Rustinox , Tony is right. Check your VFD manual, if you have vector control function - turn it on. This will give you consistent torque on small speeds. Otherwise you should buy vector VFD. I have Delta vfd-m from aliexpress on my drill press and it works prefect on small speeds. And it’s only about 70$.
Hi Rusty I am enjoying your videos. I too shall soon have a shaper running on a VFD as we don't have 3 phase in domestic houses in the U.K. Have you thought about adding an emergency stop Very easy to do on the control side of the VFD.
Thanks Tony. I don't see the need af a emergency stop on the vfd. It's installed too far from the shaper to be useful. I always use the clutch and the switches on the machine itself.
Good point about the clutch. If I understand you correctly the machine switches are between the motor and the VFD, i.e. When you use the machine stop switch the VFD is still outputting 3 phase ? If so this is very bad for the VFD and could kill it. It's good to see you back in the workshop.
So apparently your shaper had a 3 Phase motor on it from the start? Is that common where you live. Here in the US it is very uncommon residences to have 3 phase current. Or is it that your VFD can be used on a normal single phase motor.....I am a little confused. I too have the same problem of the machine running faster than I would like. Thank you for this video, it was well done indeed.
Is it OK for you that i answer your questions in next week video?
Holy lord, you're becoming professional!
What's next? CNC'ing the thing? ;)
Seriously though, you did a great job and it's good to see you back at work!
Seems like you found the only VFD that doesn't create an ear-rupturing squealing noise, too!
All the best
Adrian
Thanks Adrian. Hobby sound engineer and electrical knowledge goes together.
For assassinated chicken sound you have to visit Rolingmetal's channel :-)
I really want to see someone make a CNC shaper now! ha ha
@@TomMakeHere Hold my beer...
Ik heb dezelfde vfd op mijn draaibank. werkt prima maar helaas geen "vector control", maar dat niet echt een probleem zover. En redelijk stil :) De motor wordt wel een beetje warm tijdens het boren van grotere gaten (lagere frequentie). Niet extreem warm, maar het is wel iets om in de gaten te houden.
Vraagje heeft die schaafbank van jouw ook nog van die ouderwetse isolatie draden intern?
In 1991 is deze machine volledig gereveseerd geweest, dus ook de bedrading. Allemaal mooi nieuwe vinil beklede draden. ( nu ja, bijna 30 jaar oud)
Ben je toevallig geinteresseerd in een kopie van de originele handleiding?
I may be mistaken but by decreasing frequency you reduce power and torque.
You are absolutely not mistaken, Francisco. The motor will indeed lose torque and will generate more heat.
Electrocuted 3 times for the price of one, you say.... I'm shocked to hear that😂😂
Don't plug it in, Howard. So nothing will happen.
hi excellent videos. i was wondering if you changed your motor contacts from star to delta, it would give you more torque?
Thanks. The motor is connected in star configuration.
Does the vfd hurt the motor when running that slow? Most motors are designed to run 60 hertz, is the power/torque the same? I’d think it would be much less.
The motor generates less torque and more heat, so something to keep in mind.
Sir i have a old shaper in my workshop, the stroke reduces by itself while working.
Can you please help what is the problem.
The stroke length is set by moving the crankpin. So the crankpin of your shaper must be moving when under heavy load.
I think you should check if there's not any wear in the locking system that could prevent it from tightening properly.
@@Rustinox Thank you sir, i will check and reply
Interesting. How are you feeling? Hope you are doing well.Thanks for sharing.
Feeling good these days. Thanks Yves.
@@Rustinox very happy to hear. Thank you again for the stickers.
I have exatly the same AI shaper as you heve, and because I don't have 380 volts in my barn I run it for years with a frequency controller.
We have the same problem that our shapers don't like slotting 😂😂, is it the shaper or have all small shapers the same problem ?
I've seen small shapers make perfect slots, so i suppose it's the machine.
On mine i left the belt a bit loose so it slips when something go bananas.
I prefer a slipping belt than brake something. (as you can see in the video)
I have an Austrian Anderle Shaper. please tell me your dimension of your slots, then i will test it on my Schaper.
@@thomasfischer6548 Thanks. That will be interesting to know. The part is hot rolled steel and is 190mm long. The cutting tool is 3,2mm wide.
@@Rustinox okay, give me some days! hss steel as Tool.
Hi @@Rustinox you will find my test on cutting slots on: th-cam.com/video/mKqXmnImA8U/w-d-xo.html
It works. More or less.