This brings back memories xD I never understood the hype for quick change tool posts - four ways are much more compact and ridgid in the model engineering sizefield. Little tip: Machine away the first few threads on the tool clamping screws - as you keep clamping and unclamping different bits, the end will flare out making a fully threaded bolt hard to remove.
Lol you are so funny, I just love your sense of humor. I've never seen anyone take that big a of whiff of fresh bolts! Also, you're very smart and clever. Thanks for sharing with all of us!!!
good move Michel much stronger now, no more expensive holders to buy Make another then you have a 8 way tool post😉 iv'e made 3 for my micro lathe to hold up to 16 tools👍👍👍👍👍👍 atb Kev (UK)
I'm a great fan of the standard style four way tool post. For all the problems you mention with QCTP's it can't be beat. Easy to make too. Minimising flex helps a lot with lathe work, as you know. Good job. Cheers Rob
The shim fix on your vise illustrated that one of the simple pleasures of hobby machining is being able to fix and get by with what you have. Much satisfaction to be gleaned from solving and fixing imperfections such as these.
Hi Michel Another great video again and you have produced a very good tool rest for your lathe, it’s great to see you using old scrap metal to build something really useful for your workshop. I love your sense of humour and appreciate the hard work that you put into your videos. 😅😅
Another nice build. I have a few of the type you made that came with the Myford of which I do not use. But yes being nearer to the centre bolt gives more rigidity. Steve.
I like my QCTP for the convenience, but totally agree with you and others that there is a rigidity penalty to pay. I don't find it a limiting factor on my lathe, but I intend to install a more powerful motor. When i do that, there's a good chance that the toolpost will become an issue. Great entertainment as always.👍🙂
I have a quick change toolpost on my smaller lathe, but the bigger one has an old fashioned style tool holder, just like yours, and that´s how it´s gonna be. Thanks for your great content.
Good job done Rustinox. You often see QCTP's on YT which are far too big for the lathe they're installed on. Just like that one you've taken off. That should be extremely rigid now, with the tool sitting directly above the top slide. Cheers Tony
Hi Rusti. Nice job on the tool holder. I have the same RAPID toolholder and I like the convenience of it. I have lots of toolholders for it. I am aware of the rigidity issues and sometimes have a problem when parting off. For now I will live with it but I like that you have bucked the trend and did so for very good reasons. It's always an enjoyable watch when a Rustinox vid pops up. Mart.
This tool post of yours is like a solid rock and what I´m doing now is about going back to the tool post that came with my lathe,just like the one you made,after fiddling with the QC tool post and tools that I have bought to upgrade my lathe.Why?I hope I´l find out.Thank you Michel.
Hi Rustinox. You are obiusly loving Your shaper when You are using in almost every video. But I can see that the chips is flying everywhere, perhaps right in Your face, and on the floor. So I suggest You place a small box in front of the shaper to catch all the chips that ends up on the floor. Another suggestion is to extend the front and side walls of that box so it is above the face of the table of the shaper. I like your wideos a lot like many moore. From John in Sweden.
Nice work as usual! Quick question. When you cut the two pieces in the shaper at the same time, why did you align the smaller piece first and then the taller piece? I would have thought you would clamp them in the vise the other way around, cutting the taller piece first and transitioning down to the smaller piece. I thought the way you did it would put a big strain on the cutter when it went from a small cut to a big cut. I always try to learn something from experienced machinists like yourself so I’m sure there must have been a reason. Thanks in advance.
@Rustinox it can still rock a bit when these surfaces are not flat. Making them (perfect) flat will add to descreasing chatter. You can take a simple candle and blacken one surface and rub it against the other surface to get a really good idea how well they mate/fit. This technique is used for precision fit in making guns or pistols. Doei!
Brilliant. @MrFactotum got me thinking about the benefits of a non-quick change tool post too. I think you're both on to something. Thanks for sharing 👍
G'day Rusty. What would you do without a Shaper 😆 🤣 😂. Few pieces of scrap, lots of patience and perserverience, and suddenly you have a fabulous toolpost. Excellent Tutorial Video. Keep up the good work 🎉😊
I always preferred the 4 way turret tool post type that you made here, over the quick change Aloris sytem for my the home shop . The home shop lathes are usually 11" or smaller swing. The quick change Aloris types tool load is all on one side and unbalanced for heavy turning. They are great for Large heavy duty lathes for heavy industrial multi tool oerations such as the 16 & 18" South Bend's I had in the toolroom in industy.💯
Really like the lathe toolpost. Great job on that on. Each type post has its advantages, but i never knew the QCTP has a bit of viewing restriction. My lathe has taken back stage due to motor popped. Hopefully soon ill have replacemnt. The fresh bolt smell joke had me cracked up too😅😂 enjoy the workshop!😃
“It works!” 👏👏 Hi Michel. How ironic that you have done the opposite to what every lathe owner has done and you have reverted back to the traditional four way tool holder. Perhaps you will start a trend and qctp are consigned to history! 🤔👍😀
Really well done and nicely presented. As always, a video that must be watched. Time 05:33. Be careful bringing the face that close. I think about Your long, beautiful hair. The little hair I have I cut down to 11 millimeters now and then, by myself. Using the strategy of garden lawn movers, criss crossing until nothing more is coming off and my friend fixing the small details, it's okey.
Michel i'm thinking here..wht not just flip the quickchange 180 and the tools in the holder to? so to have the qc cutting on the backside,or at the tailstock-end...or is that really stupid for some reason? not the conventional way - but ...is it wrong for some reason?? a massive kickback can pherhaps make the tool come flying?? ..and yea,cutting close to the chuck woud offcourse be impossible
You should consider how much you use the Compound slide and look at making a tool post that eliminates that completely. You would be amazed at the extra rigidity gained from that.
Nice job on the 4-way tool holder. I have both types for my lathe, but tend to use the quick change one. My QCTH is much smaller than the one you have, so I can easily see the tool cutting. But I do agree the 4-way is more ridged. Cheers Nobby
I may have to build one of these for my little 6" × 18" Atlas/Craftsman lathe. Seems like it would be a lot more rigid than other types. Thanks for sharing your build process with us.
This brings back memories xD
I never understood the hype for quick change tool posts - four ways are much more compact and ridgid in the model engineering sizefield.
Little tip: Machine away the first few threads on the tool clamping screws - as you keep clamping and unclamping different bits, the end will flare out making a fully threaded bolt hard to remove.
It's on the to do list.
That turned out splendidly, Rusti - and as usual you made it look easy. Enjoyed your sense of humor! 👍
Thanks. This wasn't a complicated project.
Lol you are so funny, I just love your sense of humor. I've never seen anyone take that big a of whiff of fresh bolts! Also, you're very smart and clever. Thanks for sharing with all of us!!!
His sense of humor is great
Thanks.
good move Michel
much stronger now, no more expensive holders to buy
Make another then you have a 8 way tool post😉 iv'e made 3 for my micro lathe to hold up to 16 tools👍👍👍👍👍👍
atb
Kev (UK)
If I find the material, I will make a bigger one.
I'm a great fan of the standard style four way tool post. For all the problems you mention with QCTP's it can't be beat. Easy to make too. Minimising flex helps a lot with lathe work, as you know. Good job. Cheers Rob
Thanks Rob. It's simple and effective.
Great result there Rusty . Burr of the week from that cutter near the end for sure !!! Cheers 👍👍👍
And next week even a bigger burr :)
The shim fix on your vise illustrated that one of the simple pleasures of hobby machining is being able to fix and get by with what you have. Much satisfaction to be gleaned from solving and fixing imperfections such as these.
Spot on. Just go for it.
Very nicely made. Love your humor, Michel. Cheers!
Thanks.
Hi Michel Another great video again and you have produced a very good tool rest for your lathe, it’s great to see you using old scrap metal to build something really useful for your workshop. I love your sense of humour and appreciate the hard work that you put into your videos. 😅😅
Thank you very much.
Hey Rusti, great stuff mate, hope you're keeping well, thanks for sharing 👍🏻
Doing fine Ralfy. Thanks.
Nice work Michel, it just goes to show that the older designs still have merit of their own, enjoyed the vid, cheers!
Thanks. Nothing wrong with older designs.
Can’t beat the smell of fresh bolts in the morning for sure. I am partial to washers in the evening before bed myself…
I can totally understand.
Another nice build. I have a few of the type you made that came with the Myford of which I do not use. But yes being nearer to the centre bolt gives more rigidity.
Steve.
Thanks Steve.
I like my QCTP for the convenience, but totally agree with you and others that there is a rigidity penalty to pay. I don't find it a limiting factor on my lathe, but I intend to install a more powerful motor. When i do that, there's a good chance that the toolpost will become an issue. Great entertainment as always.👍🙂
Thanks Olly. There are pro's and cons for both types.
G’day Rusti. Nice work on the tool post mate. Came out really nice 👍
Thanks Aaron.
great vid,,,, there is a lot of good about the old style tool posts. all my lathes have them!!!
Thanks. I think both are good.
Hello Michel,
Nicely done... I am going to revert to a 4 way turret on my Myford...
Take care.
Paul,,
Go for it.
Thank you, Michelle. Great video.
Thanks Kimber.
I have a quick change toolpost on my smaller lathe, but the bigger one has an old fashioned style tool holder, just like yours, and that´s how it´s gonna be. Thanks for your great content.
If it works for you, don't change it.
Upgrade, downgrade.... who cares, as long as it works for you. Nice job, Michel.
Spot on.
Nice one Michel! I also bought and never use a QCT on my mini lathe, the original 4 way post works far, far better.
I think so too.
Good job done Rustinox. You often see QCTP's on YT which are far too big for the lathe they're installed on. Just like that one you've taken off. That should be extremely rigid now, with the tool sitting directly above the top slide. Cheers Tony
Thanks Tony. Now I can use both.
Hi Rusti. Nice job on the tool holder. I have the same RAPID toolholder and I like the convenience of it. I have lots of toolholders for it. I am aware of the rigidity issues and sometimes have a problem when parting off. For now I will live with it but I like that you have bucked the trend and did so for very good reasons. It's always an enjoyable watch when a Rustinox vid pops up. Mart.
Thanks Mart.
Good work on turning some metal scraps into something useful. It is always a bummer if you have to remove the vise when it is so close to fitting.
Well, not really a big deal. Just do :)
The finished product turned out really well Great job 👍👍
And it works.
Rigidity is King, that came out very nicely. 👍
Thanks.
This tool post of yours is like a solid rock and what I´m doing now is about going back to the tool post that came with my lathe,just like the one you made,after fiddling with the QC tool post and tools that I have bought to upgrade my lathe.Why?I hope I´l find out.Thank you Michel.
You will find out :)
Hi Rustinox.
You are obiusly loving Your shaper when You are using in almost every video. But I can see that the chips is flying everywhere, perhaps right in Your face, and on the floor. So I suggest You place a small box in front of the shaper to catch all the chips that ends up on the floor. Another suggestion is to extend the front and side walls of that box so it is above the face of the table of the shaper.
I like your wideos a lot like many moore.
From John in Sweden.
I have a chip pan for the shaper. It works really well. But it not video friendly.
good video rustinox
Thanks.
Hello Mr. Nox,
I was in Belgium on Friday
and
I hoped to see you there
but
it didn´t work,
so,
maybe next time.
Well, I was in Belgium too :)
@@Rustinox Dang, must have missed you.
LOL!! Awesome bud! Keep it up.
Thanks. I will.
Nice work as usual! Quick question. When you cut the two pieces in the shaper at the same time, why did you align the smaller piece first and then the taller piece? I would have thought you would clamp them in the vise the other way around, cutting the taller piece first and transitioning down to the smaller piece. I thought the way you did it would put a big strain on the cutter when it went from a small cut to a big cut. I always try to learn something from experienced machinists like yourself so I’m sure there must have been a reason. Thanks in advance.
I take max 1mm cuts, so it doesn't make any difference In what order I setup the parts.
I spied some petanque balls on the bench near the grinder. Are those for a future project?
Maybe. I don't know.
I like it !!
That's good news :)
Whats your thoughts on putting a thrust washer under the cinch nut?
I don't see the benefit of it. It will just be a bit easier to tighten.
25 first of April Anzca day J J Beckham 142 Appreciates your fine work
Christopher from down under
Thanks Christopher.
Center height just right!
I was lucky on this one.
everybody is UPGRADING everything--- you did a good job. you did DOWNGRADING, thats sometimes supercool.
And it works.
Final step: make the tool holder and compound perfectly flat by scraping it? And boaring bar is not exactly on center....
Don't think so. It works very well as is.
@Rustinox it can still rock a bit when these surfaces are not flat. Making them (perfect) flat will add to descreasing chatter. You can take a simple candle and blacken one surface and rub it against the other surface to get a really good idea how well they mate/fit. This technique is used for precision fit in making guns or pistols. Doei!
I throughly enjoyed that, I even learned a little as well, Thankyou
Thanks.
11:21 You mean 17.67 xD
Originally you said you will take it to 17mm.. uhm..
After taking more precise measurements (what you don't see in the video) I see I needed 17,50mm. I left it oversize by 0,12mm.
G'day Rusti. "The smell of fresh bolts in the morning" is the best laugh I've had in ages. So funny!!!!
Thanks.
Brilliant. @MrFactotum got me thinking about the benefits of a non-quick change tool post too. I think you're both on to something. Thanks for sharing 👍
For hobby it works just fine. Time doesn't count.
I’m away from my shop for six months and missing the smell of fresh bolts in the morning. You are too much my friend. I love your humor.
Six months... That's too much :)
G'day Rusty. What would you do without a Shaper 😆 🤣 😂.
Few pieces of scrap, lots of patience and perserverience, and suddenly you have a fabulous toolpost. Excellent Tutorial Video.
Keep up the good work 🎉😊
If I didn't had a shaper, I would buy one :)
I always preferred the 4 way turret tool post type that you made here, over the quick change Aloris sytem for my the home shop . The home shop lathes are usually 11" or smaller swing. The quick change Aloris types tool load is all on one side and unbalanced for heavy turning. They are great for Large heavy duty lathes for heavy industrial multi tool oerations such as the 16 & 18" South Bend's I had in the toolroom in industy.💯
You're right. Thanks Al.
You smelled those bolts and I imagined, as they're sort of DIY grade, you were going to say "cheese!"
Cheese and bolts doesn't smell the same :)
Really like the lathe toolpost. Great job on that on. Each type post has its advantages, but i never knew the QCTP has a bit of viewing restriction. My lathe has taken back stage due to motor popped. Hopefully soon ill have replacemnt. The fresh bolt smell joke had me cracked up too😅😂 enjoy the workshop!😃
Thanks.
You will fix it. I'm sure.
Very good job, Michel. Rock solid construction.
Thanks.
Wow the tool post moved a lot with you spring cut-off tool.
Indeed, it does. In my new video you can see it very clearly too.
“It works!” 👏👏
Hi Michel. How ironic that you have done the opposite to what every lathe owner has done and you have reverted back to the traditional four way tool holder. Perhaps you will start a trend and qctp are consigned to history! 🤔👍😀
I don't want to revert anything. I just want to be able to see what I'm doing :)
@@Rustinox Oh indeed, it is so important to be able to see the tool clearly. You have achieved that beautifully. 👏👏
Enjoyed
Thanks Chuck.
That turned out very nice Rusti. You put some time into drilling and tapping. Well done.
Yes, a lot of tapping indeed. Thanks Randy.
Really well done and nicely presented.
As always, a video that must be watched.
Time 05:33. Be careful bringing the face that close. I think about Your long, beautiful hair.
The little hair I have I cut down to 11 millimeters now and then, by myself. Using the strategy of garden lawn movers, criss crossing until nothing more is coming off and my friend fixing the small details, it's okey.
I know that long hair and machines don't mix very well.
Michel i'm thinking here..wht not just flip the quickchange 180 and the tools in the holder to? so to have the qc cutting on the backside,or at the tailstock-end...or is that really stupid for some reason? not the conventional way - but ...is it wrong for some reason?? a massive kickback can pherhaps make the tool come flying?? ..and yea,cutting close to the chuck woud offcourse be impossible
Nice, you just anwered your own question. That's good :)
You should consider how much you use the Compound slide and look at making a tool post that eliminates that completely. You would be amazed at the extra rigidity gained from that.
That's what I did on the other lathe. It works really well.
On the Celtic there is no need. It's very rigid.
Excellent as always Michel. Nice job.
Thanks.
Your lathe looks happy now.
And the operator too :)
Nice to see your work👍
Thanks.
Nice work mr Rustinox
Thanks.
The bed is short for such a large lathe.😊
Indeed, but for me it's OK.
Good job
Thanks.
Much respect chap
Thanks.
Nice job on the 4-way tool holder. I have both types for my lathe, but tend to use the quick change one. My QCTH is much smaller than the one you have, so I can easily see the tool cutting. But I do agree the 4-way is more ridged. Cheers Nobby
Both have their pro's and cons.
I may have to build one of these for my little 6" × 18" Atlas/Craftsman lathe. Seems like it would be a lot more rigid than other types.
Thanks for sharing your build process with us.
Go for it.
Nicely done Sir. 👍😎
Thanks.