Expanding the PROVerXL 4030 to 1000mm x1000mm.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ต.ค. 2024
- I have expanded the working area of my cnc machine from a 4030 to a 1000mm x1000mm. I installed new 1000mm X and Y axis C beam extrusion along with new T8 Acme lead screws. I paid for this upgrade myself and purchased all of the parts for for the cnc from Opendbuilds.com. My affiliate links to all the parts are listed below.
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Parts I used from Openbuilds
8mm Diameter Acme Lead Screw - 1040mm in Length - 3 Pieces
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C Beam Extrusion - 1000mm in Length - 3 Pieces
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V Slot 20x80 Linear Rail - 1000mm in Length -2 Pieces
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Lock Collar -6 Pieces
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Nut Block for 8mm Lead screw - 6 Pieces
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Thrust Bearings - 6 Pieces
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3mm Aluminum Spacer (10 Pack) 2 Packs
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Precision Shim - 10x5x1mm - 12 Pieces
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M5 Low Profile Screws - 55mm(10 Pack) - 1 Pack
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X-Large C Beam Gantry Plate - 3 Pieces
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Parts I bought from Amazon
8mmx8mm Aluminum Coupler
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Vacuum Hose Boom - Shower curtain rod from Home Depot
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Suckit Vacuum Hose Boom 3D Print Model
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How is the machine rigidity/precision wise? I'm thinking extending mine to 1515.
Since you went to the trouble of fabricating all these parts, why didn't you flip the c beams around so that the leadscrew is accessible from the outside. It should only require drilling a few holes.
So I still have a stock machine and just added extra support under the spoil board to keep it from sagging. Did you add anything to your new machine. At 1000mm I bet it would have a good dish given how much my stock to had. Thanks for sharing, this info was great.
I did add three supports for the spoilboard. Especially since the 3/4 mdf is so heavy, didn't want it to sag.
Looks great! My son asked if it would be possible to flip the C-channel so that the screws were facing outward to keep dust off of them during cutting. I can't wait to see your next projects!
It is possible to flip the c beams, with a little extra modification. But the holes in the new black gantry plates that I used don't line up with the holes in the blue X axis supports. And the new lead screw nut blocks do not line up with the old gantry plates. The only other way to do it without drilling a bunch of new holes would be to also flip the wheel assemblies so the the new black plates are on the outside, with the old plates on the inside, so they line up with the blue supports, but that would shorten the X axis working area. I may try to figure out a better way in the future, after I make sure there are no other issues with the expansion as it is now.
thanks for video can you give update on your machine hows it running im getting ready to do the same thing but want to go as big 5x6 I was looking at your parts list and seem pretty straight forward thanks again
The machine is still running good. Once it was fine tuned with the new lead screws, I have not had any issues.
@@windsorwoodcraft thats great i heard that sainsmart is coming out with a bigger extension kit
Perhaps this will be helpful to you or others in the future. To calculate the proper steps per mm setting, take how far you wanted to move divided by how far it actually moved. Then multiply your current steps/mm by that number. If you wanted the machine to go 100mm but it only went 85, you figure 100 / 85 = 1.176. If the current steps/mm is 166 you multiply that by 1.176. The new steps/mm should be 166 * 1.176 = 195.2.
Hi do you have all part numbers on all the parts you needed to do the upgrade I would appreciated it
I don't know the specific part number but each part that I used is listed in the description below the video with a link to that specific part on the openbuilds website.
Thank you very much
How is this programmed? I want to use this for a puncture test. Basically take the router off and put a needle there so I can have it go up, then down, up then move one inch to the right then down and repeat about 100 times
You will need software such as Carveco, Vectric or other cad/cam program to set up the toolpath and then use a gcode sender such as Candle or UGS, etc to control the machine with the tootpath.
This is great! I've had my machine since just after Christmas, and I love it! I have been waiting to upgrade my machine as well, so thank you for posting this. By the way, your link to the C beam extrusion appears to be broken.
It is a good machine, I just got impatient waiting for the upgrade kits. Thanks for letting me know about the link, I'll try to fix it.
Now that the factory has released the 6060 and 1010 expansion kits for this machine... If you had to do it over again, would you buy one of the factory kits or still build your own from scratch? I'm planning on getting one of the genmitsu proverxl 4030, and probably expand one day
At the time that I expanded my 4030, the extension kits were still in development so that is why I figured out how to expand it myself. If I were to purchase a 4030 again now, I probably would buy the factory extension kit mainly because it would be much easier to do with the specific factory made parts for the machine. That was the main reason that I bought the 4030, but I just didn't want to keep waiting for the extension kits to be released.
What router is that? Mine came with a blue mount for Dewalt upgrade I believe. I definitely need to upgrade my spindle
The one that I'm using is the 65mm Carbide compact router. It's sold by the makers of the Shapeoko brand cnc machines at carbide3d.com. I bought the mount for it on Amazon. The 4030 does come with the 69mm mount for the Dewalt router. When I bought my 4030 the Dewalts were hard to find.
this is amazing. about to upgrade soon now.
Thanks! It is pretty easy, but let me know if you have any questions when you do expand.
Hi, have you looked into silent stepper motor controllers for this machine? I am trying to figure out which would be a replacement for it as the steppers are extremely loud from factory
I haven't looked into it myself. The only time that I have noticed real loud noises is during a 3D carve when the motors are doing quick, short movements and changing directions repeatedly, like on a finely detailed project. I have read some posts on the Sainsmart Facebook group of other people changing the control box to try to reduce the noise but haven't heard of anyone putting different motors on it.
@@windsorwoodcraft thanks for quick reply. No need to swap the motors. Just the motor controllers. The stock ones are noisy. I just joined the fb community and found a post about it but seems the controllers are fixed to the board and not a simple swap. I remember early in 3d printers theybjad the same issue and people added a small controller between the motor and the board to make them quiet. Wonder if this would work here too. The noise on the unit i received is louder than the stock spindle at full speed. An ear piercing whine.
@@steritech Here is a link to the control box that one of the posts on the Facebook group is referring to. Supposedly will make it a lot more quiet to run. www.spark-concepts.com/cnc-xpro-v5/?fbclid=IwAR1mbd9S8EtNzZDijaJN2FT4cn0StLyJjuOMrBUklQccYQ1mcv4MhL4MAO0
Thanks for all the information, I'm looking to do an upgrade after it looks like sainsmart aren't willing to ship the parts to the uk so I'll have to go the way you have so this is a big help.
One quick question though...why did you go to 8mm lead screws and not stick with 10mm?
I used the 8mm screws because I could not find 10mm screws with the same specs as the ones that came with the machine.
what is the footprint on this machine including the stepper motors.
I think it is roughly 48 x 54 inches. I don't have this machine any longer and don't remember the exact dimensions.
Buenos días
Y si le compro los complementos para que mida 1500mm simrpe funcionaria bien????
Excellent work! Exactly what I want to do with mine. Im new to the CNC if you could do a video on calibrating the new lead screws that would be amazing!
I was thinking of doing a short video on how to calibrate the new lead screws. I think my machine is dialed in correctly, but I need to do a little more research first to make sure I'm giving the correct info.
@@windsorwoodcraft Did you ever have to change any settings with your lead screw or was it dialed in from the get go?
@@Hawkeye0918 I did have to change a couple of settings in candle to calibrate the new lead screws. I'll have to look up the new settings if you need them. It's not difficult at all. I never did get around to making a video about it though.
Hi there’s a parts list what is not specifying how many items I need to purchase of each item and sizes of each item can you share the parts list when you purchased the items very grateful if you can
I added the quantity and length of parts to the list in the description.
are you able to tweak the motors in candle?. ive only used the offline controller and would prefer to continue to use since i put up 50 bucks for it but about to pull the trigger on 8mm screws and would like to continue to use. i have an old old old mini laptop i might be able to load candle on and keep attached to the machine...might just have to ditch it to get a 3x5 foot machine. cant wait thanks for this video your def gonna get that aff pay from my order.
There are settings in Candle that you can adjust if the screw or motor type is changed so that the movements are accurate. I'm not sure if the offline controller could make any of those adjustments.
Also did you have any issue taking off bolts from wheels I try with mine and the head gets striped any tricks to get them unscrewed
I didn't have any problems with the screws. But I did buy new allen wrenches because the ones i had did not work real well.
If I update it with the 1500mm accessories, will the cutting precision always work well?
If I update it with the 1500mm accessories, will the cutting precision always work well?
If you upgrade to 1500mm, there might be some wobble or "flex" in the lead screws. But other than that, the machine precision should be the same as 1000mm or the standard size machine.
Where can I order the acrylic dust parts for keeping your lead screws clean from machining particals?
I made the acrylic dust guards myself. I clamped a piece of acrylic between two boards and used a heat gun or torch to soften and bend it.
thinking about doing a 1500 wide and 1000 height with mine mounted on a 4x8 table. trying to save some money and thinking about just mounting the side rails to the table and lowering the z and putting spoil board on the table and eliminating the cross bars. what are your thoughts? also did you have to downsize to a 8mm screw. seems like your links are going to have some lead time on shipping and thinking about amazon. found some 10mm as trying to save some money by using the existing hardware. was wondering if you could tell me if the y's and the z are double threaded. dont want to have to take my machine apart to find out.
I'm not sure about the double thread. But the lead screws are standard Acme threads. I used the 8mm screws because I couldn't find 10mm screws with the exact same specs as the stock screws that would allow using all the other existing stock parts. Just easier to switch to the 8mm screws and matching parts. I did think about trying to eliminate the front and rear rails but would still need some sort of bracket on the ends of the Y rails to raise the wheel assembly up off the table.
Just got my 4030 last week and I have been scouring all of these videos. This is great so I can expand the machine when I am ready to do my kitchen cabinet doors.
I messaged SainSmart about a laser kit which they said is coming soon. I'm not sure what soon means to them.
I'm not sure about Sainsmarts idea of soon either. They have been saying it about the expansion kits since they released the machine last September.
Where did you get the spoil board? Or did you do it yourself on the cnc? If you did, can you share the file?
I purchased a sheet of 3/4" MDF and just cut it down to size, then drilled the holes to secure it the machine. I didn't use a cnc file to make the spoilboard.
why didnt you use 10mm threaded rod or even go with 10mm ball screw
Hello ,
Will you be able to make videos of the software you use and how you configure it step by step? ,
I have this machine but the grblcontroller is giving me problems, when I load a file the fps drops almost to 0 and the machine becomes slow, this did not happen before.
Thanks for the videos👋
What kind of project are you trying to make that you are having problems with? I can make a specific video for the project you want if you send me the file and then I can also see if I have the same problems you are having.
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Thanks for your answer, after trying several solutions everything seems to indicate that it is the laptop that I have,
it was slow but I could work , now the machine stops in the middle of the work.
You can find the figure that I am making on the internet, it is the image of a drop that falls into the water and creates a pattern of waves, and I want to make it on a piece of wood, 275 mm long by 20 mm high.
Water drop 👇🏼
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Hi I own the 4030 I’ve been searching to upgrade to a larger working space I didn’t know they sell the parts fir the upgrade are those only the links to purchase the parts or the exact size parts listed the too
These are the parts that I used from the openbuilds.com website and they sell everything that you need. You may be able to find them on other sites too but I thought it was easier to buy everything from one place. Sainsmart is supposed to release the upgrade kits sometime in the future but I did not want to wait any longer so I figured out what was needed to do it myself.
Nice build. How did you manage the shorter wiring harness? Did you splice longer wires to compensate?
Thanks for sharing your findings. It always irks me to see folks give a thumbs-down on videos like this, because it's clear that you've put so much work into it. Particularly, I feel like thumbs-downers should feel compelled to leave remarks, explaining their grumbles.
While I'm in the thumbs-up crowd, I'm surprised at the absence of your total cost, making this upgrade, as this seems like the #1 FAQ for a project like this. Have you calculated it? (Perhaps I missed it?)
I thought I may have mentioned it in the video, but either way, the cost to expand the machine was roughly $400.
@@windsorwoodcraft I'm sure I just missed it -- the dog was probably destroying something priceless, leaving me distracted at that magic moment. Thanks again!
How deep and wide is your machine after the upgrade including the motors? Essentially how much space does it take up?
I'm just about finished building a 60" x 60" table / workbench to expand and organize my 4030. I'm wondering if I could go with 1500mm parts and perhaps cut them if that's a little too big.
1010 will definitely be nice, but if I'm going through this I want to get it right the first time and I have a 60" footprint to play with. Thanks!
The machine is approximately 47 x47 with the stepper motors. A 60" workspace should be plenty big enough for a 1010 but not for the 1500 size.
@@windsorwoodcraft awesome thank you for the feedback!
@@windsorwoodcraft Hey one more question. I just ordered everything based upon your list, much appreciated. Partially just for entertainment purposes I'm thinking of using the 4030 to machine the ends of the rails that have to be modified. By any chance do you have those measurements available or do you know if there is a drawing somewhere that shows the exact dimensions? (Obviously, if I tear apart my machine to measure; I probably won't put it back together to do this).
@@BJGoldstein84 Are you referring to the ends of the front and back rails that are notched? If so, I just used the old ones as a template, then marked and cut with a miter saw or hack saw.
@@windsorwoodcraft yep exactly. I was just trying to be fancy, but I'll likely do the same. 😊
Finally ! Thank you so very much ! You don’t happens to have the email open builds sends with the draft order would you ? If you do could you forward it to me please
I don't think I have the order email. But all the parts are linked in the description.
This is a good information for future. I have a question about my 3040. When I home it it runs to the limit switches and alarms I then can not move it until I reset. is there something I am missing/
I had this problem when I first started too. I think it had something to do with the homing position being set incorrectly in the software
@@Hawkeye0918 What did you change and where would I find it?
I had a similar problem when I first got mine. I'm not sure exactly how I fixed it, but I think I had to reset it to unlock the limit switches and then I believe I hit the "reset origin" button in Candle.
Did you have to do any drastic changes to your software after the upgrade
The only things I needed to do was change a few settings in Candle to calibrate the movement of the X and Y axis and edit a few other lines for the new size of the machine.
Patent your kit and sell it to Sainsmart!
All kidding aside, I would like to see a vertical expansion done. I am neither sain nor smart.
Even if not kidding, then don't waste money on patents. Patents are for new inventions, such as new technologies or new ways of doing things. A kit like this, isn't worthy of a patent and its also hideously expensive. Go for a trademark then. They're way cheaper, way more encompassing and way easier to obtain.
Edit: Vertical expansion seems to be fairly easily doable. Get a sheet of aluminum, which thickness matches that of the blue vertical brackets. Then take the location of the existing holes, place them on a CAD design of the new plates and elongate the original design. Now just ask the CNC to carve out those designs, swap them out, as well as the blue, vertical C beam and its connector and you got extra Z height. I haven't gotten my machine yet, but I too want to vertically expand it, so it's definitely something I'll look into
You will sell this CNC machine to us
No, you have to buy it yourself and buy the upgrade parts yourself. Look for a Sainsmart Genmitsu PROVerXL 4030 for the machine itself and use his links to get the parts needed for the upgrade
Can someone please help me out a little. I just assembled this machine and if it hits the limit switch everything freezes and I can’t use any controls? Please help! Thanks! Love your videos!
Hit the reset button in Candle and it should free it up. Then try to move it away from the switch. Might need to do it a couple times in order for it to move away from the limit switches.
you can manually turn the knobs on the stepper motors to move it off the switch aswell
The motor couplers you installed are rubbish. The stock ones are much better. Actually, they are one of the best you can get for these machines. 😉
The original ones keep pulling apart, they are crap. I'll stick with the new ones.
@@windsorwoodcraft I'm affraid you're doing something wrong mate. Probably the leadscrews are not fully supported or something like that. The spider couplers are one of the best money can buy for this kind of machines. That's what I found after 18 years CNC building experience. I was impressed Saintsmart was using them because it's much expensive than others cheap springy ones like yours.
@@axelSixtySix Not doing anything wrong here. The original ones just didn't hold up.