Making a spoilboard and tramming the PROVerXL 4030 CNC from Sainsmart Genmitsu
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 เม.ย. 2021
- In this episode we create a spoilboard for the ProverXL 4030, complete with all the holes for the threaded inserts. We also complete a short tramming exercise to improve our output. Parts and file links are all below.
Surfacing bit - amzn.to/3syuknD
6.5mm or 1/4" collet insert - amzn.to/3vcjd4W
Collet set (optional) - amzn.to/2PCCKvt
1/8th flat end mill - amzn.to/3cybCH9
V bit - amzn.to/3sz1Biz
Blue tape - amzn.to/3u9UT2R
Starbond - amzn.to/3fpEtze
Direct from Starbond with 10% off, code is Jamesdean10
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ProverXL 4030 dust shoe - tidd.ly/2Vlx7VM
Files used 1drv.ms/u/s!AuoE9S3Cr4VZgpdLP...
Link to the PROVer XL 4030 by Sainsmart: shrsl.com/2ltp2
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This is one of, if not the best video for anyone starting with a CNC. Thank you so much!!!
Thank you 😊
James, Thank you for your excellent tutorials. I have assembled my 4030 with a Dewalt spindle, cut spoil boards, Trammed the unit, and cut the grid lines per your instructions. You have made this a wonderful experience! Thanks for all you do.
Thats good to hear 👍
Am I the only one who loads the file in UGS and keep getting errors while cutting? I’m not sure why. I am completely new at this but I thought I was clever enough to at least make this spoil board since all the works been done.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
As Oliver said -"Awesome tutorial, I have a 4030 on the way, your videos are going to help a lot, thank you for taking the time to put together such detailed videos with crystal clear explanations. Amazing work". Thanks very much!
Thank you! You make this look so easy!
Great video. Thanks again James.
It took me quite a while to get everything on my PROVerXL 4030 ready to go. I watched many videos, changed out my stock spindle for a Dewalt 611 router, bought a packaged relay to start and stop the router with the software, and I went out and got a 1/4 sheet of 1/4” MDF board to make new spoil boards. This was my first carve by the way. I downloaded the G Code program that James provided along with his tutorial. I started up the machine and everything seemed to be going just fine until it got to about the 9th hole. The machined finished cutting the 9th hole and then went into alarm and stopped. I finally got the alarm cleared and when I restarted the program it went all the way back to the beginning. After it got to the 3rd or 4th hole it just stopped, no alarms or messages. Now I have very limited movement on my X and Y axis, maybe 10-15mm and the program will not restart. I am brand new to all this so any help would be greatly appreciated.
Love the channel JD, straight to the point with no crapping on like others 👍
Thanks for the great tramming tutorial
I just got my Proverxl 4030 today! I will be referring to this video often! Thanks again!
Enjoy!
I will of course also try to create on my own now that I have had some experience making things.
Awesome tutorial, I have a 4030 on the way, your videos are going to help a lot, thank you for taking the time to put together such detailed videos with crystal clear explanations. Amazing work.
Really enjoying your videos mate. Very informative ans supportive. I know I'll be spenidng many more hours watching and learning from you.
Thank you very much 👍
That's a good lookin machine. Love my 3018 pro.
Thanks James.
Thanks James. It looks and sounds far more rigid than the 3018. I'm still very impressed with my 3018 though. It's been a great and fun learning curve these past few months and I've still only just scratched the surface. Thanks again. Jim
Its a brilliant machine and very sturdy, but equally is a big price jump from the 3018. Essentially a lot of the cost is the fact it more or less arrives assembled apart from a few bits
good video thank you :) Could you provide the SVG to use different bits and washboard thicknesses?
Hi James think I have sorted my problem so all good me thinks
Dave
Thanks for good lease 👍👍
So, ya I'm microns away from pulling the trigger on the 4030. Sounds that a few people are satisfied with the amount of machine an its versatility for the price. I have been watching, studying, investigating every thing I have access to.... I'll probably be pulling the hammer, Saturday or Monday. Wish me luck. I'm 58 yrs old, disabled from LOS ALAMOS NATIONAL LABORATORY as a Chemical / Mechanical Technitian. So all words of wisdom will be welcomed. Thanks to you all
Hi Max, just catching up on comments. Hows it going? Best words of wisdom is to just persevere. Everyone hits bumps along the CNC road but if you stick with it you should get to a comfortable place where you can produce what you need
A lot more to getting things ready to go with the 4030 than I anticipated. Thank you for supplying important information so detailed and easy to follow. New to all this, will the milling files you have supplied work from sd card with offline control module? I use Mac. Ordering dust shoe as well.
thanks!
No problem
Hi James great video again. I have a 4040 pro,the 4030 looks like a solid machine. I’m thinking about upgrading to the 6050 but I’m not sure about the single motor for the y axis.
Cheers Mark
James, Excellent tutorials. I see you added polycarb dust baffles to your 4030. How did you attach these? I can't quite tell from the video.
I noticed in the video that on your machine, that you have added your own modifications, such as a holder for your Z prode and the clear acrylic screens on the sides. Do you make these yourself or are you buying them? If you make them, do you sell them to those who are interested in getting them for their machine, or do you have the plans / files available? FYI - I find your videos very informative. Please keep up the great work. Thanks.
Thank you. If you search ProverXL on thingiverse.com you'll get the z probe holder file. I think there are also some files on there for making the side guards as well
Hi James, I came back to this excellent video to review before making new spoiler boards. The g-codes provided no longer work (grayed out.). I wonder if because Carbide Create has updated its versions several times. Is an updated g-code a possibility?
Good video James. Could you have cut both 6mm MDF through 12mm in 1 go to save extra clamping/cutting step? Is your spindle front left position on the wasteboard the absolute Machine 0,0 position?
Hi James excellent tutorials just bought PROVerXL 4030 CNC from Sainsmart Genmitsu have you any info on the acrylic dust guards for the drive spindles thanks
Great video thanks James, question you have both the ProverXL 4030 and the 4040-XE CNC's can you give my you opinion on them? I am trying to pick between one of them as they both look more capable than my 3018 but I am not sure which one to pick. Thanks for any insights.
Hi James, thank you for this tutorial, it convinced me to go with this machine instead of direct competitors, and I see without these videos I wouldn’t get anywhere.
I have a problem with the hole alignment of the cutouts with those in base spoilboard. I am running the machine with settings out of the box and the alignment is progressively worse as you go along x and y axis, almost as if the step/mm parameter was not calibrated. Have you had to adjust $100-102?
James, Nice work on all.... and your pronunciation of aluminum is just fine. I'm building some jigs for the 4030 and was wondering where you got the hole dimensions for the spoilboard? Connections with Sainsmart? Your gcode files for making the aux board could be decoded in a pince, but if you have the dxf files could you post?
James, excellent video but I have one question. What is the size of the MDF, is it 300x400mm or does it go back more on the supplied board. Sorry if this is a stupid question but I have tried to figure this out and that size part has me stumped.
instale el gcode sender pero no se como configurar la maquina, tienes algun video como configurara la maquina con gcode sender
hi - i could only get 9mm mdf - do you have the hole file suitable for 9mm? thanks
Great video but, shared files will not open and are not recognized by Candle. Solutions?
When you go to open files, usually towards the bottom right there is a menu you can drop down. Select all files and then the files should show up and you'll be able to open them 👍
Brilliant!! @@JamesDeanDesigns
Hi James. Good to have your videos back.
I still have a 3018 pro but would really also like 3D printing in all in one machine. Has anyone any experience or comments on Snapmaker A350 please?
Hi Richard. Love the concept of those but slightly worried at the same time. Cnc generates dust, laser generates smoke and residue. Both of those are not good for 3D printing. If you're cleaning the machine down in-between switching its probably OK but I dont know anyone who has one
Hi.
Would you recommend this small cnc as a starter machine??
Do you have the Spoil Board Dimensions. My board options are a little thicker and I need to modify the The Z axis to go deeper
New V1 Owner... Does one need the HOLES in the new spoil board if you are using the TAPE/GLUE method for hold downs? THX
With your grid layout should the centre of the router bit be right on the corner of the MDF? I have tried once as per your video however the alignment of hole is out somewhat
How much would this type of machine in general (including the 3018) benefit from the tramming you describe here?
Excellent video, James. I had an interesting experience. After having cut the holes in the 1/4" MDF, I checked to see if I could see the corresponding holes in the bed underneath. Curiously, only about half were visible. In particular the holes near the front of the bed on my 4030 did not match the ones on yours. In fact, at the back (furthest) edge of the MDF bed on mine those holes (which are more numerous) seemed to be there at the back. I initially thought that the bed must have been put on backward, so I spent some time reversing it. Turns out that the holes closest to the front edge (after rotating the board) also did not match yours. I wonder if there are different versions of the MDF bed? It does look a bit different, having no bevels. Has anyone else mentioned this?
Hiya, I’ve seen the same with my new 4030. I can’t really get my head around is. My initial thought was the step/mm settings are off, but it seems extremely unlikely as there’s little information about calibration and final config.
Did you get it resolved?
hola James, pregunta como hago para traer un archivo de Corel a GRBL Control, tengo el Aspire 10.5 , puedes ayudarme no se como llevar archivos para la maquina
If you surface it and then flip it around doesnt that remove any counter to high spots you removed on the first pass? As in if the bed under isnt perfectly flat you can account for that with surfacing the spoil board but not if you flip it.
James, great video as always. Question, looks like your z assembly sits higher on the gantry than 'normal'. Do you have a tutorial (video or text) showing how to raise the spindle / z assembly? i cant reach the bed w/o hitting my limit switch.
I was going to ask James that very same question, waste having 110mm Z travel if the mounting extrusion won't let you get the spindle inside or close to anything with a 20mm high wall.
My thoughts are to raise the extrusion eg 25mm increase height adjustment as required, lower the spindle in its mount by same amount. This should still allow limit switches to engage and limit vertical travel, but allow some depth of cut.
You should be able to slacken off the 4 bolts and either slide the spindle down further or actually slide the spindle holder down on the extrusion I believe
@@JamesDeanDesigns which "fix" did you use?
do you have the SVG file some where i wanna make sure i select the right bits for what I have.
will the code work with a 1" leveling bit?
Great video thank you. Dumb question time. So the files you share for this. Do I download them to my computer and pull those up from ugs to run? I’ve not figured this part out yet.
Yes, download the files in the link. extract the zip file they come in and they you can use those files in UGS
Hey James, great videos on the 4030! Just got one yesterday and went to the local home improvement store and could only find 1/2" MDF, so I got that. Problem is, your gcode is for 1/4" MDF. I've tried converting the gcode in your download to SVG, but am having issues. Would you be able to upload a SVG of the hole pattern or suggest other possible solution? Thanks!
Edit: Took the measurements and created in Easel… worked out perfectly until I went to surface when one of the y axis steppers burned up the windings.
Just catching up on comments. Sorry to hear that but hope you've got it sorted. If I can do anything just let me know
Did you ever get the SVG by chance? /I cant get the one provided to download either
Hi James, do you have the stp or igs for the board?. Thank you and have a great one.
I'll probably have it somewhere, but probably a more common file extension though like SVG or EPS. I'll have a look
Hi James, trying to follow you on my new 4030 v2. Checking the movement of the spindle in the X axis to the left. I stop approx. 7mm short of the edge. Looking for a way the adjust the left stop. Can't find one. If I leave the zero point where it is now I still can move to the right 409mm before I hit the stop. What should I do. Thanks as always for your help.
This is for the V1, not the V2. When I made this there was no V2 out so the instructions will not be the same. Sorry 😕
How much sound does the 3040 makes when drilling/milling compared with the 3018 you have?
Mine is actually quieter, the stepper motors are noisier than the spindle is Sounds odd given its a bigger machine but I think its better balanced that the 3018's
Hey James - will the files included with this video work for the 4030 V2 as well or will they need adjustment? Do you have 4030 V2 specific files now?
No the files will be slightly different and I don't believe I made one for the v2. Sorry
will I be able to directly access the downloaded pattern files for g-codes from my offline controller?
You will need to load the files onto you SD card and then insert them into the offline controller
would a planer work for leveling the board over doing it with the CNC?
Unfortunately not. A planer helps level things but this process has 2 purposes. One is to flatten the bed, the other is to make it parallel to the X axis which a planer will not do... well it probably can but would be a lot more work
Hey James. Just wondering will this work with the table extension for the 3018? I have it as large as I can and wondering if this Waste board would be the same
Not 100% sure if I'm honest but probably not. From what I understand the actual cutting area on the 3040 extension is less then 300 x 400 so it probably will not work unfortunately. You could essentially follow my other video for the 3018, it makes two boards at the same time so will probably work
@@JamesDeanDesigns thanks but don’t want the side slots. I want the hold down positions like on this board you have. I’ll see if I can design something or find a gcode file for the one I need. Thanks!!
James what is the best free program for designing for CNC?
For designing, its tricky. Easel and Carbide create are the popular ones but they both have draw backs. Fusion 360 is free and very powerful but equally very complex to learn. If its for running your machine then i prefer UGS
What program did you use to create the spoil board? Fusion? Easel? etc.
I do my designs in Carveco Maker
@@JamesDeanDesigns Thank you.
I see that you are using ugs cnc software. Is this your software of choice. Did you do a video on installing and using this software instead of Candle?
Yes, UGS is my prefered software I just usually show the initial setups with Candle as that's what typically comes with the machines. I covered it in one of my earlier videos for the 3018 th-cam.com/video/mUO6d7MaeCA/w-d-xo.html
@@JamesDeanDesigns Thanks - I think your viedo's are great. Please keep up the hard work
can you make a 6060 3/4 inch spoilboard version
There is no MDF bed for the 6060, only aluminium ones so I did it a little different
th-cam.com/video/kgcpxjgxeXY/w-d-xo.html
James, what is the flattest, most stable spoiler board to use, MDF?
MDF or chipboard. But generally speaking you should surface/flatten it your self anyway once installed to be 100% sure
@@JamesDeanDesigns awesome! I will do that! Thanks!
I am considering the PROVerXL 4030 as a first purchase as don’t want to waste money upgrading later. Is it fair to say the most difficult part of CNC use is getting to grips with the programming. Do you think getting to grips with programming is important before purchase of a CNC machine. Where can I download a CNC programme to practice on before I purchase a machine. I’m aware that I can’t produce anything but can use simulation.
Thats a good approach, the 3018s are great place to start but people do grow out of them. In regards to the design, yes there is a learning curve but I personally do not think its too difficult as long as you don't try and dive in at the deep end. For example starting with something like Easel is pretty easy to go from basic designs through to carving
th-cam.com/video/EZEropgZ_FY/w-d-xo.html
@@JamesDeanDesigns Many thanks for the swift response. The PROVerXL 4030 is hard to come by here in the UK, out of stock here on Amazon. I will download a programme on my laptop and practice before I decide to buy.
What are you going to do for the V2 for a spoil board.
Have not decided yet. I am very tempted to just stick 1 piece of MDF over it and then machine in the channels for the T track system
Are you thinking one just like you machined for the 3018.
@@jongrace9133 sort of. On the 3018 you had to machine it in 2 half's. I'm literally thinking 1 piece of MDF, 400 x 300, stuck down and then just cut in the channels for the existing T track
Hellow, I just buy the same machine, but a need to know a lot from it.... i"m beguiner in this domain. tancks you for this video
Hopefully it has helped 👍
I contacted SainSmart and they claim that the MDF bed that you are using is sold separately ("Please be informed that the MDF board used by the TH-camr is our CNC 4030 MDF Threaded Inserts Spoilboard, which is sold separately and not included in the standard package of the CNC 4030 machine. The MDF board that you received is indeed the standard one that comes with the CNC 4030 machine. Therefore, there is no need to worry.") and that the MDF board I received is the one normally shipped with the 4030. Can you confirm this?
No, the threaded insert board should come in the kit. I didnt recieve anything special as part of this machine. They do sell spare MDF beds but in all the photos on their site it shows the machine comes with the threaded insert board so I suspect there has been some confusion their side
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Is it feasible to modify the gcode to accommodate a 0.5 inch (12.7mm) board instead?