@@buffaloshite in my area, i dont typically take shots past 500 yards, unless my buddies and i are just plinking for fun. I dont like to take shots over 300 when hunting. Thats where i feel comfortable with my ability to take an ethical shot for hunting. If the freezer is empty, then i may go to 500, but 300 is my comfortable limit.
Sorry to say I don't think the concrete test was a draw the 308 totally demolished the plywood I'd say it got much bigger energy I results at the end. Just my opinion love your videos keep on making them
@@stephenlawrence554 sorry to say this sir but you may want to re-watch the video, it was a fresh piece of plywood behind the concrete when the 308 hit it they didn't use the same piece that the 6.5 did, fresh piece of plywood
I liked the long range idea of the Creedmoor, but I will be sticking with the 308 until they release the full military power 277 Sig Fury to the civilian market.
@RandyMan388 I just saw about the new 7mm Federal Back Country round. Steel case, high pressure. Contends with the 7mm PRC but using a 10" shorter barrel. I don't think it's an AR10 platform option, but a good move toward what is coming.
I'm a big .30-'06 fan, but that .308 just seems to perform way better than the numbers indicate it should. It doesn't quite have the ring to it when spoken, but it's easier to type as well. I think the CM has a lot of use for a very limited number of people who can exploit the advantages it has at longer ranges. The .308 is plenty of gun at all the ranges most of us can shoot.
30-06. Works for me, my father, and grandfather. If it ain't broke.... Honestly, the old guys usually fill seven of eight elk tags wearing the same jeans and flannel they wear every day. No trip to Cabela's needed.
@@SpaghettiFPV-tg3qh Less recoil, less drop, and less wind drift. True. But that's also where the benefits end. Everything else is then worse than in .308. Availability, price, barrel life, shell case life, terminal effects/bullet designs, NATO logistics support ...
Hello again from Russia. I just recently asked to sift the sand to see what the bullets look like. Thank you, this is a very interesting activity. Good luck to you.
Thank you I'm always glad to see your videos. This same test at 300 to 500 yds might show more discrepancies. And would be fun to watch. Some of your other comparisons at further distances also. Kinda like recycling videos but it's still new content
I don't know shit about shit, but comparing the 2 rounds looks, the 6.5 is way more slender, a bit longer...makes me think " more aerodynamic, less weight, means less drag means it shoots farther". I'd also think it would be a lot more accurate at longer ranges too? However, I think the 308 is a lot fatter, looks to me like it packs more of a punch at the cost of long range accuracy and distance? Am I right?
Your 308 test on the 6" wooden block should have been invalidated as you hit so close to the edge. That would have caused the bullet to tumble. You should have made another shot away from the edge. (;-) TP
Very honest comparison. I have studied some ballistics comparisons on the two. The 6.5 CM surpassed the .308 in energy right at 700 yds. The 6.5 CM projectile is long, and is more stable in flight so makes have less drift at longer ranges. You cannot dispute the fact that .308 Win is not better energy wise but 6.5 CM is a very accurate and gives the .308 a run for it's money. The plywood flying apart is not definitive, it's shaved wood sheets glued together. I still can't figure out why folks are hating on 6.5 CM it's just another available option for shooters. They are not going to come and take away your man card...
Great channel! If I could make a suggestion, when you are shooting sand I think you should make a series of thinner boxes with sand that totals 8 inches. I’d fill each box with sand then space one inch apart, or so, between each box. This will hopefully give better comparison and results. Finally, I also have a device I’m working on for ballistics tests and when done I’d love to possibly send one for you to consider trying? Hopefully, it’ll be ready in a couple months if all goes well here.
Or the 260 which was first to the 6.5 target/hunting game and has more speed and energy than the CM out ot 800 yards. And you can reload 260s from 308 brass.
This was cool using the same barrel lengths for both catridges. Now, I'd love to see this same thing, but with both catridges running the same or similar velocities. The 6.5 was 7gr lighter and 200 fps slower. Would be cool to see how much of a difference the velocity itself makes.
Excellent video and great formatting, not too much narration. Although seemingly negligible and definitely not cost effective, each shot must be in fresh, undisturbed target material. Keep up the great work.
Really like this channel and your summary regarding the limiting velocity against the sand was excellent! I think that the 6mm Creedmore would be very interesting to compare with these results and wouldn't be surprised if it surpassed both of these, especially against the steel!
I don't own either, but it would probably be the 308 because of available ammo, period. The testing was impressive for both depending upon the bullet specs and speed. Comparable bullets and speeds would give comparable results, I think. Very close.
I see everyone bringing up the fact that ammo is more available... it makes me wonder if you people even look at the shelves. Its hard to take advice from someone on a cartridge when they are wrong with the first thing they say.
@@derrick11boutain300blk and 6.5CM have come down in price considerably as well. Have to buy an upper for both those cartriges now. ( actually; the CMMG Dissent 300blk is a complete "pistol" and is on layaway as we speak)
6.5 need more is not made in heavier bullet weights like the 308. 6.5 will never be comparable because it can't. It physics. 30% smaller and not as heavy will not deliver as much terminal velocity. It's impossible.
Outstanding video. I own 308's and my buddies keep telling me to get a 6.5. I am a NO on that. Love to see a rematch on this some how. The old saying 30 cal brush bucker. Meaning a 30 cal bullet goes through a tree limb or tree trunk and retains more mass than any other bullet. Love to see if you could duplicate or test that some how.
Honestly both cartridges are good, i like the fact you can make 6.5cm out of used or new .308 brass...so get both! Just reuse military surplus ammo if you can find it cheap. Id be interested in knowing what you thought about felt recoil from the same basic gun setup. Also long range shots with high bc bullets(say 600, 750 and 1000 yards). I own one of them...dont really have a preference as to which caliber though. To each his own
Wem der Rückschlag der .308 zu groß ist darf gerne mit einem kurzen Mosin-Nagant Karabiner in 7,62 x 54R schießen. Danach ist er froh wenn er wieder .308 schießen darf .
The 6.5 was designed as a ballistically superior bullet at distance. Less drop, less spin drift, things like that. So unless you're going to 600 yds and further, both cartridges will perform essentially the same
I almost made mistake and bought 6.5 for sport shooting. Outside US the ammo is expensive. 308. is accepted Worldwide and most produced and cheapest.6.5 is at the moment expensive hobby to have...😂
@@stevelynn7302 It takes the 6.5 800 yards to catch the 260. I prefer the 260 because it is speedier, less drop and more energy in the ranges that I'm going to be shooting it.
Something happened to the 308 in the wood test and I think if you shot the groups again they would both be a tie. Might have hit a knot inside. Also I bought my AR from midway because they sponsor your channel and also helps they have the lowest prices anywhere along with a 10% discount for first time buyers.
I think that first .308 tumbled because it passed so close to the bottom of the block, so the wood may have warped more on the bottom as it passed, destabilizing the bullet.
Nice, I clicked your video, and a Midway USA ad popped. I let the whole thing run, then clicked shop now, just in case you get a buck or two more. Besides, I need a new Lee case trimmer. Thanks for these videos.
308 wins it. I owned a 6.5 Creedmoor in 2008 , before the fad caught on, and had a hell of a time finding ammo in Montana on an Elk hunt. So, i sold it and have never regretted it. 308 can be found at any bait shop and mom and pop hardware store in most locations.
Yup. Same with 30'06. During the coof, one of the calibers that was consistently on the shelves (if there was ammo on the shelves to begin with) was .308 and 30'06.
6.5 Creedmoor is a lot more common today than it was 15 years ago. The price difference between the two cartridges is negligible for hunting ammo, as is performance out to about 500 yards, at which point the superior ballistics of the 6.5 kick in. But even then at 1000 yds there’s only about a 1 foot difference in drop (albeit with a significant difference in terminal energy.)
I went .308 with my AR10 build due to Availability, Price Per Round and sheer if SHTF Popularity. I think the 6.5 is a fine round for longer distance stability, but I'm no sniper. I'll keep it 1000 and under.😁
I own both, but one point to consider is, you are getting almost identical results between both cartridges all while the 6.5cm has about 30% less recoil.... that with the superior distance ballistics makes it the clear winner.
Not always about making things soft for yourself .308 is a pretty light recoil for it's size and hits a lot harder at reasonable hunting distance man or beast
@@erniecummings9255 Seems these tests were done at short range. I am researching both for pig hunting and still not ready to pull the trigger on one or the other. My current feeling is that the 6.5 hits slightly softer at short distances but slightly harder at long range. But it is inconsequential because both pack the energy to take anything up to large deer. (Elk is debatable and you would surely want to step up for bear) . So my current thinking is to get 6.5 because why put up with a lot (30% is a lot) more recoil for a slight advantage in hitting power at shorter ranges. Winners and losers in my opinion so far: Energy (stopping power) = effective tie Recoil = 6.5 Accuracy and drop and wind = 6.5 Barrel life and 16' barrel = 308 Still undecided only because I would like a 16" barrel and I am drawn to the classic nature of the 308.
What were the specs on those rounds? I don't think you mentioned what loads you were using. That first .308 round probably tumbled because you almost went under the wood block. It probably resulted in irregular pressure on the bullet, causing the tumble. I think it's more of a shooter error problem than an issue of the round itself. The way the .308 annihilated the plywood on Test #3, it really should have won Test #3. This was a definite win for .308 in my not so humble opinion.
The weight and type of bullet for the 6.5 is a poor choice. When you choose 6.5 you understand its a necked down .308. That means you drop the weight. Around 100-120gr is what should have been used in 6.5. Being a heavy bullet for caliber means less powder to propell it. 2000fps is horrible for a 6.5.
@@Grooove_e yes well, you are living the good life of warm weather! 😂 I am here in Wisconsin Rapids, chilled down to 23!😜 Happy to see another on here that knows how to shoot….maybe even better than banana!😉
In the first test the .308 that tumbled also hit near the bottom edge of the plate which allowed the plate to bend more than if it had hit farther away from the edge This greater deformation means that the bullet is less likely to penetrate compared to if it had hit closer to the center of the plate. Being that it hit sideways it still likely would not have made it through but it was still unfair due to the placement.
.308 ammo cost, availability, all the different recipes for reloading. And it has been trusted by the military for decades. I would like seeing some PRC tests. But good video, and love Midway
The energy at close distance is greater with the .308 but once you get past around 600 yards or so the energy in the 6.5 is greater. At several hundred yards the advantage goes to the 6.5 due to less bullet drop and less wind deflection but for three hundred yards and in the .308 is a better round so it all depends on what distance you are shooting but either one will work in most cases.
@phillhuddleston9445 no it doesn't. The numbers don't account for the 308 having a 30% greater cross section. It delivers energy to a 30% larger footprint. Basic physics, a smaller lighter bullet will never deliver more energy. It's impossible. Recoil can be mitigated.
@@jonathancole6124You are assuming that the bullets are going the same speed. KE=0.5mv^2. Speed has far more importance than bullet size and mass do. A smaller, lighter bullet can easily deliver more energy under the condition it is moving faster.
6.5 shines more at distance; this is true of both the Creedmore and Grendel. The real question would be what either of those rounds do compared to .308 at like 200-300 yards, depending on load, barrel, etc. At that close a distance the rounds are, unsurprisingly, almost identical. That said I still love your video and channel; thanks for your work!
@@jonathancole6124 yup!.308 Win provides more kinetic energy at short and intermediate ranges (out to 700 yds?). At distance, the higher retained velocity of the more modern 6.5mm bullets a have higher kinetic energy.
@BaoNguyen-vi8ni wrong! It's physics dude!! There are a lot of new high BC bullets giving the need more a run for it's money further out, however a .308 hole is nearly 30% larger. Far more effective inblood letting. Not to mention a 168gr vs 147gr which are the typical match loads. You are simply wrong.
You should test 6.5 prc if you can. For me it is what the 6.5 creedmoor should've been. As for the 6.5 cm vs .308 out of a bolt gun i don't thing the 6.5 has enough advantages to justify the increased cost and at long range (800+ meters) you might want to have something more powerful than either of the two. So for me the .308 is the winner.
My dude, compare grain for grain 6.5x55SE and Creedmoor, then do me a solid, compare 6.5-284 Norma, 6.5 PRC, and .264 Win Mag. Comparing the creed vs the prc doesn't matter as they have different but slightly overlapping use cases.
There's a lot of animosity towards the 6.5 Creedmoor simply because some owners refuse to admit that the .308 can be outperformed in certain areas. The .308 delivers more energy on impact within 500 yards, making the 6.5 Creedmoor more effective beyond that range. However, for hunting purposes below 500 yards, the 6.5 Creedmoor is more than sufficient, and there's no practical difference in application. The ONLY valid argument against the 6.5 Creedmoor is that it has less availability, sometimes making it more challenging to find, especially in survival scenarios.
U have never seen an apple to apple comparison. Load the 308 with 155 gr Palma match bullets and the 6.5 with the best bc bullets they have to offer and c what hapens
I Shoot the 308 and 6.5 CM, and they're both great cartridges, but the 6.5 was developed for a longer range than the 308. I think you should repeat the test using reinforced concrete and also use hardened steel plates. If you repeat the test using what you used in the first testing, then shoot it from 200 and 300 yards and see how they perform. I'm not sure what range you are testing from, but I'm sure that at 200, 300 and even 500 yards would show their true performance. Just my opinion. By the way, Great Videos!
🤔so you want him to show the 6 5 getting beat at what they say it was made for ? 308 still gonna win they're close in weight and 308 is faster should in theory travel farther with more energy should.... but yea I would like to see it
Great channel Banana…subscribed! From everything I’ve seen shooting both cartridges is the 6.5 Creedmoor’s only advantage ballistically speaking over 308 is range. I cannot hit my steel plate at 1760 yards with my 308 but i can pretty much hit steel every time at the same distance with my 6.5 creedmoor(calm wind day). 308 is still good out to 1-1.2k yards but needs more wind correction at distance. Everything else 308 wins(in my book).
6.5 has less wind deflection at any range and more energy beyond 500. Less recoil too. 308's only advantage is short range energy and barrel life. Both good cartridges.
Try a Sierra 155gr Palma bullet [BC of .504], or their new 169gr BTHP-M [BC of .527] Much higher ballistic coefficients with the new designs. Hornady ELD-M 155 gr [BC of .461] is slick, too. Also Berger makes a 155.5gr Fullbore [BC of .473] and a 168 VLD [BC of .473] or the Hybrid [BC of .478] that again, have very slippery coefficients. At longer ranges the better coefficients combined with that little bit of extra mass makes them pretty close to most 6.5 equivalents, except if you're shooting those super-fast twist 150gr 6.5mm that look like needles. Shooting comparatively heavy-for-calibre bullets for target will give better exterior ballistics, especially out at longer ranges of 800 yards and more.
I have 2 AR-10s in 308...one with 20" and one with 16". Both have Ultradyne Apollo Max brakes. They're kinda spendy, but WELL worth it for recoil mitigation. Follow-up shots are a breeze and my shoulder doesn't feel like I got hit by a truck after a long range day
Good thing I have 6.5 on my 1200yd tack driver and 308 on my little scout, thanks for confirming the setup. You know, because at 1k yards you have time to sink a few in
Great channel, informative and entertaining. Would love to see subsonic/suppressed/short barrel VS supersonic/non-suppressed/standard length barrel on the different barriers with a 5.56 and .300 BO. Thank you sir.
Cool test but I don't think it's fair to compare these without taking cost and availability into consideration. You've got a similar performance, but the 308s cost is a fraction of the 6.5C and you can find them everywhere. Not to mention the guns themselves, much bigger variety of options.
The 6.5 is better for reaching out farther with less bullet drop; that being said the 6.5 shines more at longer distances. The .308 is slightly larger and has a little more energy on target within shorter distances than the 6.5 but that gap is bridged and surpassed at longer distances where the .308 loses energy faster and the 6.5 starts to retain more energy at those longer distances. This test was based more on terminal energy on target within a very short distance for these rds, so I am not surprised that the .308 did slightly better. However, out past say 600 meters the 6.5 starts to shine over the .308 and since both these rds are not considered anti-material rds but rather anti-personnel or more suited for "soft" targets, coupled with the fact that the rds are similar in diameter and ability to create similar wound cavities on a soft target, then it goes without sayingt that the 6.5 would be superior on a soft target if only because of the ability to hit that soft target more reliably and consistently at longer distances. This is the same type of advantage in "repeatable hittability" that we see in a .300 NORMA over a .338 LAPUA at longer distances.
most shooters cant hit anything past 400 meters... 90% of them cant even identify a target out past 600 much less eyeball the distance within 100 meters, they sure as hell cant hit it given a box full of ammo.
I won't sell my .308 yet. Comparing average bullet weights for calibers at same velocity would be a fairer comparison. Interesting and fun content - thanks!
Barrel length. 308 is optimized for a 20" barrel where 6.5 is usually 24". I commented above about doing this test again, but getting velocities between both catridges to match up. I want to see how much the velocities plays a factor.
You have to look at the cross-section density of both rounds. The 308 wasn't much heavier but has a lot more surface area to push on compared to the 6.5 so it was faster. However, the 308 would also slow down a lot faster too for the same reason.
@@airborneivan Yep that’s exactly what I was curious about as well. At the same weight & velocity, I would assume the 6.5 would perform better, but that’s still TBD.
Would love to see how 158 grn +p 38 spcl and 180 grn 357 magnum do through the sand box, using Buffalo Bore or Underwood hard cast lead. Those are the two rounds my wife and I carry in the spring up here in black bear country. Your videos are always fun. Thanks.
Always liked your vids! Have u tried using a block of ballistic gel with mild steel behind it?? Just to see how it would perform against an animal and also to see how much more power they have after going through the gel.
.308 won. At exactly 6:03, you gave a "win" to the creedmore, although the copper jacket of that round did not pass through the plywood. A fail, if you ask me. But when you turn the plywood over, the copper jacket is magically gone and the creedmore is given a pass. It's the .308, Gods contribution to Tyrant suppression. (edit point...) Good video. Liked and sub'd.
@@drewp4743 Maybe not too difficult to simply hit, but to get 2 or 4 evenly spaced hits on a piece of 6x8 lumber/target would definitely be. He would waste too many materials attempting. Use your brain
I'm from Wisconsin and my neighbor made a poor shot on a monster buck. A guy came with some dogs to try and retrieve it. I asked him what caliber gun does he have to track for the most and he said 6.5 creedmoore. Now I know there are variables and he probably doesn't always ask but I found that interesting that he answered so quickly
Anecdotal at the very least. At best it shows people in your region shoot more 6.5cm than anything else, including inexperienced shooters and hunters. Or most likely, and logically - poor shooters w/6.5cm in this area happen to call the same tracker.
@Soprano313 6.5CM Being currently among the most popular chamberings for youth hunting rifles, and is often marketed as a low recoil option for kids, inexperienced shooters certainly could be the reason for needing tracking assistance. Now if he lived in a state where the largest big game wasn't Whitetail and Blackbear, and the tracker was called out for a ton of Elk and Browns one may say it's more than just popularity and inexperienced shooters causing the issue.
I've noticed on the sand test that you dont usually get rounds passing through fully. So if there was some way you could shoot sand and then review how far each round got that may be more helpful! maybe like a bunch of little boxes of sand in a larger box. Not sure, probably doable though! Might change the results by getting something other than a draw.
I'm assuming you used the exact same bullet construction? With that said, at that range, I'm not surprised they tied. Given the ballistic coefficient of the 6.5mm bullet, think at longer range it would begin to beat the 308. For most of us at 100yd ranges and hunting deer in the woods, there's probably little of any difference between the two functionally. Just shoot the gun you like to shoot and shoot it a lot and be happy.
Bad call on the concrete test. The .308Win had a lot better effects on the plywood after the concrete destruction. Unless you are biased, the 6.5 Needmore definitely "needs more". Great video.
That was a good comparisons test. The 308Win had a spectacular destruction on the concrete bock and the plywood. My vote goes to the 308Win. By the way, you have an amazing speaking voice. Are you also a baritone or a bass singer?
Well... that was interesting. I like both cartridges but, given the difference in felt recoil the winner here (for me) would be the 6.5 Creedmoor - on the target range - the 308 in the field, hunting. Both great cartridges. I see why the 6.5 is so popular.
Many years ago I performed the same test on a 300 win mag. However, I did not use a barrier to shoot through like you did. But it wouldn't have made any difference, as I did have a piece of metal come back and hit me in the lip when I was shooting some half inch plate. It didn't penetrate my lip but it stung a little bit. So even with a barrier, I would have still gotten stung. I really enjoyed this comparison. And I would have gone with the 308 to start with. But the big advantage of the creedmoor is way down range.
I like Banana Ballistics videos because they're entertaining to watch. BUT, the .308 vs 6.5 CM debate was settled a few years back by ballistics experts and expert long range rifle shots: The .308 delivers massive energy from the muzzle out to 700-800 yards, and you would think that because its the wider bullet and heavier by 7 grains that it would deliver more of a wallop within its ideal range, but you would be wrong. The skinnier 6.5 CM happens to have a greater ballistic coefficiency than the 7.62 (.308) because of its slightly skinnier profile and shape, so it delivers the same wallop at 1,200 yards that the .308 does at 800 yards. I have a high-end sniper rifle in 6.5 CM with a 16 inch bull barrel that will deliver the same energy at 1,000 yards that my Springfield M1A Socom 16 delivers at 700 yards. If I could only choose one rifle for an end of the world SHTF scenario I would choose the Socom 16 ONLY because I would probably be more likely to find .308 ammo just about anywhere, compared to 6.5 CM, which has slightly superior ballistics, but is hard to find.
Sadly both cartridges are far superior then the average shooters ability. I spend much time in our local gun shop and I hear some real BS..I use a 308 because I have for decades. Also I live off grid in Alaska and hunt with a marlin guide 45/70 for meat.
.308. The CM is simply a cartridge made for competition shooting. Sure, you can use it for other stuff. Obviously. But it was DESIGNED for competition shooting. .308 (well- the 7.62x51 anyway) was designed for warfighting. It's going to do a lot of things well.
Actually USSOCOM has officially adoped the 6.5 Creedmoor as a warfighting round, and has even awarded Geiselle a 29Million dollar contract to provide a gas gun in 6.5 Creedmoor for it.
A third shot from the 308, closer to the center, would have confirmed one of the other shots and would have confirmed a winner or a tie for the first round. It would have also confirmed the 308 the winner overall 😬😆
6.5 Creedmore = $2.50 a round. 308 = $0.65 a round. .308 wins All hogs hit with either round declined to vote. Draw All deer hit with either round also declined to vote. Draw Parts availability for custom builds - much more Choice for .308. .308 wins Reloading component availability .308 again. .308 wins Small brain bragging rights. 6.5 Creedmore wins So there you have it. The .308 is the hands down winner.
There have been so many rifles manufactured that are chambered in .308 that, whether good or bad, 6.5 has a lot of catching up to do to meet that same volume. It doesn’t seem likely, as most will just stick with what they have, but 6.5 will stick around as a niche caliber.
Yes, I watch your videos more than once. lol TY. (and I find myself imitating your voice in the morning when I grind my coffee beans haha) I would like to see maybe testing calibers with the same sectional density and construction, rather than just the same weight. The 140 grn 6.5 CM has a much higher SD than the 147 grn .308. (About .063 difference). If the construction is the same as far as jacket thickness and lead core hardness, it would be better to test the 165 grn .308 against the 120 grn 6.5 CM maybe?
Yo banana!!! Great video. Can you do a barrier challenge at distance with the same cartridges? I’d love to see which performs better at 100yd, 200yd or greater.
308 winchester because the only reason it did not tie with the 6.5 on the earlier test was because the bullet tumbled due to the fact that you hit the 6x6 wood block at the bottom instead of the middle.
Biggest take away for me is that if I ever need to build a barricade for protection it should be built with sand bags
That's what military does.
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And creosote RR ties.....
i love the militarys current "sandbag" the hesco blocks. literally a sandbag in concept just scaled up.
I was thinking the same thing , sand bags are multipurpose disaster tools.
Ive trusted .308 for 4 decades and im sticking with it. Its just a great cartridge.
3 decades and can't complain either. 👍🏻
It's a great cartridge...until 800m.
@@buffaloshite in my area, i dont typically take shots past 500 yards, unless my buddies and i are just plinking for fun. I dont like to take shots over 300 when hunting. Thats where i feel comfortable with my ability to take an ethical shot for hunting. If the freezer is empty, then i may go to 500, but 300 is my comfortable limit.
My only real flaw that i have found is that the 308 cant handle higher grain rounds.
@bigthoughts2644 all of the bullets are heavier than 6.5 cm. Are you talking about more than the 175gr?
Sorry to say I don't think the concrete test was a draw the 308 totally demolished the plywood I'd say it got much bigger energy I results at the end. Just my opinion love your videos keep on making them
Agreed. Not sure why he called that a draw either
Just shows how much more energy the 308 slug has over the 6.5
Yea how tf is that a tie?! He must be blind, that’s why he got those glasses on all the time 😂
It might have been down to the fact that the wood was already damaged when the 6.5 punched through it
@@stephenlawrence554 sorry to say this sir but you may want to re-watch the video, it was a fresh piece of plywood behind the concrete when the 308 hit it they didn't use the same piece that the 6.5 did, fresh piece of plywood
308 still has a lot going for it. This old man will stick with it. Great presentation kid! Subscribed!
I liked the long range idea of the Creedmoor, but I will be sticking with the 308 until they release the full military power 277 Sig Fury to the civilian market.
I believe that round is already dead. Can't hang with the BACK COUNTRY round.
@RandyMan388 I just saw about the new 7mm Federal Back Country round. Steel case, high pressure. Contends with the 7mm PRC but using a 10" shorter barrel. I don't think it's an AR10 platform option, but a good move toward what is coming.
I'm a big .30-'06 fan, but that .308 just seems to perform way better than the numbers indicate it should. It doesn't quite have the ring to it when spoken, but it's easier to type as well.
I think the CM has a lot of use for a very limited number of people who can exploit the advantages it has at longer ranges. The .308 is plenty of gun at all the ranges most of us can shoot.
Out perform 30-06 ....?
Neither one is easily found if in scavenge mode but I take the 06 ..... prob more of them to find
30 ought 6 was the precursor to the .308 if my memory serves me right.
30-06. Works for me, my father, and grandfather. If it ain't broke....
Honestly, the old guys usually fill seven of eight elk tags wearing the same jeans and flannel they wear every day. No trip to Cabela's needed.
6.5 less recoil.. what you want more recoil ?
@@SpaghettiFPV-tg3qh Less recoil, less drop, and less wind drift. True. But that's also where the benefits end. Everything else is then worse than in .308. Availability, price, barrel life, shell case life, terminal effects/bullet designs, NATO logistics support ...
You should have reshot the 308 on the first test. Tumbling was due to shot placement. Not the ammo's fault
Absolutely!
My thoughts exactly!
Agreed.
Tumbling can be due to any number of factors, not the least of which being a knot in the wood itself.
I just typed that. Damn. Beat me to it.
Hello again from Russia. I just recently asked to sift the sand to see what the bullets look like. Thank you, this is a very interesting activity. Good luck to you.
Viva Ukraine.
Thank you I'm always glad to see your videos. This same test at 300 to 500 yds might show more discrepancies. And would be fun to watch. Some of your other comparisons at further distances also. Kinda like recycling videos but it's still new content
I suspect the 6.5 would pull ahead the longer the range just given ballistic coefficient.
I own both. My .308 is for midrange targets, and my 6.5 is for long-range targets. They both have their purpose. Infantry leads the way!
Yeh, see, you clearly understand ballistic coefficient!! Good for you! Many don't.
I don't know shit about shit, but comparing the 2 rounds looks, the 6.5 is way more slender, a bit longer...makes me think " more aerodynamic, less weight, means less drag means it shoots farther". I'd also think it would be a lot more accurate at longer ranges too? However, I think the 308 is a lot fatter, looks to me like it packs more of a punch at the cost of long range accuracy and distance? Am I right?
308 is better for short barrel rifles.
@@dmt8192 yup. Out far they start to equalize.
Targets. Paper targets. Exactly. Game, I would never use a bullet less than 150gr. 308 wins over 6.5cm.
Have you considered a target consisting of 16, 1/8” plates, spaced by a 1/4”?
After the first plate they're balls of lead spinning through the air with a larger diameter than they started.
@@drywallman1986 yup thats what makes it viable, left over mass, energy and velocity
Thanks for testing all of these cartridges. I appreciate your evolution of testing methods as you progress.
Your 308 test on the 6" wooden block should have been invalidated as you hit so close to the edge. That would have caused the bullet to tumble. You should have made another shot away from the edge. (;-) TP
That is exactly what I said.
good point
Very honest comparison. I have studied some ballistics comparisons on the two. The 6.5 CM surpassed the .308 in energy right at 700 yds. The 6.5 CM projectile is long, and is more stable in flight so makes have less drift at longer ranges. You cannot dispute the fact that .308 Win is not better energy wise but 6.5 CM is a very accurate and gives the .308 a run for it's money. The plywood flying apart is not definitive, it's shaved wood sheets glued together. I still can't figure out why folks are hating on 6.5 CM it's just another available option for shooters. They are not going to come and take away your man card...
We hate on the creed because it's sooo much fun!
Just tribalism
I’ve owned and love both calibers. The CM is definitely more accurate. Both are amazing long guns.
Great channel! If I could make a suggestion, when you are shooting sand I think you should make a series of thinner boxes with sand that totals 8 inches. I’d fill each box with sand then space one inch apart, or so, between each box. This will hopefully give better comparison and results. Finally, I also have a device I’m working on for ballistics tests and when done I’d love to possibly send one for you to consider trying? Hopefully, it’ll be ready in a couple months if all goes well here.
i am sure others have pointed it out but dang. Dude’s voice is just fantastic and amazing with that baritone bass quality
Makes me sound pre-pubescent in comparison.
@@MagicPrepperhaha yep me too!
I didn't even notice
With the right equipment everyone sounds like that 😏
Sounds like Ray Ramano..
Both cartridges are fantastic. Let's not forget about the 7mm-08 too
The perfect middle ground!
Or the 260 which was first to the 6.5 target/hunting game and has more speed and energy than the CM out ot 800 yards. And you can reload 260s from 308 brass.
This was cool using the same barrel lengths for both catridges. Now, I'd love to see this same thing, but with both catridges running the same or similar velocities. The 6.5 was 7gr lighter and 200 fps slower. Would be cool to see how much of a difference the velocity itself makes.
I noticed that too. It seems like he picked a hot 308 and a slow 6.5 to compare because those muzzle velocities don’t make any sense.
Excellent video and great formatting, not too much narration. Although seemingly negligible and definitely not cost effective, each shot must be in fresh, undisturbed target material. Keep up the great work.
Really like this channel and your summary regarding the limiting velocity against the sand was excellent!
I think that the 6mm Creedmore would be very interesting to compare with these results and wouldn't be surprised if it surpassed both of these, especially against the steel!
I don't own either, but it would probably be the 308 because of available ammo, period. The testing was impressive for both depending upon the bullet specs and speed. Comparable bullets and speeds would give comparable results, I think. Very close.
And barrel life is alot longer for the .308
I have to believe you. Thanks
I see everyone bringing up the fact that ammo is more available... it makes me wonder if you people even look at the shelves. Its hard to take advice from someone on a cartridge when they are wrong with the first thing they say.
@@derrick11boutain300blk and 6.5CM have come down in price considerably as well.
Have to buy an upper for both those cartriges now.
( actually; the CMMG Dissent 300blk is a complete "pistol" and is on layaway as we speak)
6.5 need more is not made in heavier bullet weights like the 308. 6.5 will never be comparable because it can't. It physics. 30% smaller and not as heavy will not deliver as much terminal velocity. It's impossible.
Outstanding video. I own 308's and my buddies keep telling me to get a 6.5. I am a NO on that. Love to see a rematch on this some how. The old saying 30 cal brush bucker. Meaning a 30 cal bullet goes through a tree limb or tree trunk and retains more mass than any other bullet. Love to see if you could duplicate or test that some how.
Honestly both cartridges are good, i like the fact you can make 6.5cm out of used or new .308 brass...so get both! Just reuse military surplus ammo if you can find it cheap. Id be interested in knowing what you thought about felt recoil from the same basic gun setup. Also long range shots with high bc bullets(say 600, 750 and 1000 yards). I own one of them...dont really have a preference as to which caliber though. To each his own
Wem der Rückschlag der .308 zu groß ist darf gerne mit einem kurzen Mosin-Nagant Karabiner in 7,62 x 54R schießen. Danach ist er froh wenn er wieder .308 schießen darf .
Great video. I really like my .308 and was curious about the 6.5 creedmoor now I know. Thanks for doing the video.
The 6.5 was designed as a ballistically superior bullet at distance. Less drop, less spin drift, things like that. So unless you're going to 600 yds and further, both cartridges will perform essentially the same
300 yards is the point the 308 stats fall compared to 6.5cm . . But the 6.5 was designed for distance so ..I still prefer 6.5
I almost made mistake and bought 6.5 for sport shooting. Outside US the ammo is expensive. 308. is accepted Worldwide and most produced and cheapest.6.5 is at the moment expensive hobby to have...😂
So the 6.5cm has less drop than the.308? So does that mean 6.5cm is more accurate than the .308?
@@NRush2009yes
@@stevelynn7302 It takes the 6.5 800 yards to catch the 260. I prefer the 260 because it is speedier, less drop and more energy in the ranges that I'm going to be shooting it.
Another thing about the .308 is how common and available it is.
I see more 6.5 on the shelf than 308. Even in the shortage there was more of it.
They are equally available almost 100 percent of the time.
@@derrick11boutain Not where I live
@@zer0edin125 Alaska
@@zer0edin125 I never said it isn't here, just not as available and common as .308
Something happened to the 308 in the wood test and I think if you shot the groups again they would both be a tie. Might have hit a knot inside. Also I bought my AR from midway because they sponsor your channel and also helps they have the lowest prices anywhere along with a 10% discount for first time buyers.
I think that first .308 tumbled because it passed so close to the bottom of the block, so the wood may have warped more on the bottom as it passed, destabilizing the bullet.
Bad shot, shooter error.
I agree. The .308 was very close to the bottom of the wood in the first test, so that could have affected the results.
Yeah I’m guessing the wood test should’ve been a tie.
@@halfcirclehranch 100%. If all shots had been centered the 308 wouldn't have yawed.
Another informative and entertaining video👍. I always learn something watching these videos…even if it’s only realizing I’m supposed to be working🤣
Nice, I clicked your video, and a Midway USA ad popped. I let the whole thing run, then clicked shop now, just in case you get a buck or two more. Besides, I need a new Lee case trimmer. Thanks for these videos.
Love the music choices👍 The info is pretty good too!
308 wins it. I owned a 6.5 Creedmoor in 2008 , before the fad caught on, and had a hell of a time finding ammo in Montana on an Elk hunt. So, i sold it and have never regretted it. 308 can be found at any bait shop and mom and pop hardware store in most locations.
Yup. Same with 30'06. During the coof, one of the calibers that was consistently on the shelves (if there was ammo on the shelves to begin with) was .308 and 30'06.
6.5 Creedmoor is a lot more common today than it was 15 years ago. The price difference between the two cartridges is negligible for hunting ammo, as is performance out to about 500 yards, at which point the superior ballistics of the 6.5 kick in. But even then at 1000 yds there’s only about a 1 foot difference in drop (albeit with a significant difference in terminal energy.)
@@pa3gungallet it go. 6.5 sucks
@@CrashRacknShoot ok boomer
@@pa3gungal sure thing, man bun.
I find myself at any given moment saying *ITS TIME TO GRIND* 😂 then my family looks at me like im crazy 🤪
If you're just saying that randomly, they might be on to something.😂
@@joshrandall3632 😆 🤣
Cheated against the 308 on the first concrete block test... did far more to the plywood than the 6.5
u can break that playwood with basic fork, what do you mean
Bullshit
@@thestroyer17fr
I went .308 with my AR10 build due to Availability, Price Per Round and sheer if SHTF Popularity.
I think the 6.5 is a fine round for longer distance stability, but I'm no sniper. I'll keep it 1000 and under.😁
I own both, but one point to consider is, you are getting almost identical results between both cartridges all while the 6.5cm has about 30% less recoil.... that with the superior distance ballistics makes it the clear winner.
Not always about making things soft for yourself .308 is a pretty light recoil for it's size and hits a lot harder at reasonable hunting distance man or beast
@@erniecummings9255 Seems these tests were done at short range. I am researching both for pig hunting and still not ready to pull the trigger on one or the other. My current feeling is that the 6.5 hits slightly softer at short distances but slightly harder at long range. But it is inconsequential because both pack the energy to take anything up to large deer. (Elk is debatable and you would surely want to step up for bear) . So my current thinking is to get 6.5 because why put up with a lot (30% is a lot) more recoil for a slight advantage in hitting power at shorter ranges.
Winners and losers in my opinion so far:
Energy (stopping power) = effective tie
Recoil = 6.5
Accuracy and drop and wind = 6.5
Barrel life and 16' barrel = 308
Still undecided only because I would like a 16" barrel and I am drawn to the classic nature of the 308.
@@BoFamousI would also look at price to feed and availability. That is unless you reload then no worries.
What were the specs on those rounds? I don't think you mentioned what loads you were using.
That first .308 round probably tumbled because you almost went under the wood block. It probably resulted in irregular pressure on the bullet, causing the tumble. I think it's more of a shooter error problem than an issue of the round itself.
The way the .308 annihilated the plywood on Test #3, it really should have won Test #3.
This was a definite win for .308 in my not so humble opinion.
In the video description it is listed as 140 grain fmj for creedmoor and 147 grain fmj for 308
@@brettkillin4099 Guess I didn't feel like reading. 🤣🤣🤣
He posts it at the beginning around the time he chronographs them
You want a bullet to tumble and cause maximum carnage inside the target. These were FMJ, not armor piercing tips.
The weight and type of bullet for the 6.5 is a poor choice. When you choose 6.5 you understand its a necked down .308. That means you drop the weight. Around 100-120gr is what should have been used in 6.5. Being a heavy bullet for caliber means less powder to propell it. 2000fps is horrible for a 6.5.
Been waiting for your next vid, man!
Darn cold here in Wisco…but still waiting on you!😂😉
Ay fellow Wisconsinite! You must be further north, it's till a toasty 28 degrees here in the Waukesha area
@@Grooove_e yes well, you are living the good life of warm weather! 😂
I am here in Wisconsin Rapids, chilled down to 23!😜
Happy to see another on here that knows how to shoot….maybe even better than banana!😉
In the first test the .308 that tumbled also hit near the bottom edge of the plate which allowed the plate to bend more than if it had hit farther away from the edge This greater deformation means that the bullet is less likely to penetrate compared to if it had hit closer to the center of the plate. Being that it hit sideways it still likely would not have made it through but it was still unfair due to the placement.
.308 ammo cost, availability, all the different recipes for reloading. And it has been trusted by the military for decades.
I would like seeing some PRC tests. But good video, and love Midway
Gotta love this channel for the systematic approach even if it’s completely arbitrary to any other standard of ballistics. lol
The major 2 differences are, bullet drop at distance 500yds+ and recoil of the rifle. Both will do everything the other can do.
The energy at close distance is greater with the .308 but once you get past around 600 yards or so the energy in the 6.5 is greater. At several hundred yards the advantage goes to the 6.5 due to less bullet drop and less wind deflection but for three hundred yards and in the .308 is a better round so it all depends on what distance you are shooting but either one will work in most cases.
@@phillhuddleston9445 exactly
Either are quite functional
@phillhuddleston9445 no it doesn't. The numbers don't account for the 308 having a 30% greater cross section. It delivers energy to a 30% larger footprint. Basic physics, a smaller lighter bullet will never deliver more energy. It's impossible. Recoil can be mitigated.
@@jonathancole6124You are assuming that the bullets are going the same speed. KE=0.5mv^2. Speed has far more importance than bullet size and mass do. A smaller, lighter bullet can easily deliver more energy under the condition it is moving faster.
6.5 shines more at distance; this is true of both the Creedmore and Grendel. The real question would be what either of those rounds do compared to .308 at like 200-300 yards, depending on load, barrel, etc. At that close a distance the rounds are, unsurprisingly, almost identical. That said I still love your video and channel; thanks for your work!
Yeah if you are shooting paper
@@jonathancole6124 yup!.308 Win provides more kinetic energy at short and intermediate ranges (out to 700 yds?). At distance, the higher retained velocity of the more modern 6.5mm bullets a have higher kinetic energy.
@BaoNguyen-vi8ni wrong! It's physics dude!! There are a lot of new high BC bullets giving the need more a run for it's money further out, however a .308 hole is nearly 30% larger. Far more effective inblood letting. Not to mention a 168gr vs 147gr which are the typical match loads. You are simply wrong.
@@jonathancole6124is that what i said? Weight and velocity. 🤣🤣
...and 308 has tracer, marker and AP projectiles...
Thank you for your service Paul.
Excellent video, brother 👍
I like both, and from the looks very similar with the slight edge going to 308. Cool review 🤙
You should test 6.5 prc if you can. For me it is what the 6.5 creedmoor should've been.
As for the 6.5 cm vs .308
out of a bolt gun i don't thing the 6.5 has enough advantages to justify the increased cost and at long range (800+ meters) you might want to have something more powerful than either of the two.
So for me the .308 is the winner.
ammo availability and bullet selection are king and the 308 has it
The 308 clearly won the brick test which broke the tie anyway but something happened in the wood block as well 308 all the way over the needmore
My dude, compare grain for grain 6.5x55SE and Creedmoor, then do me a solid, compare 6.5-284 Norma, 6.5 PRC, and .264 Win Mag. Comparing the creed vs the prc doesn't matter as they have different but slightly overlapping use cases.
They’re the same price now lol 😂
There's a lot of animosity towards the 6.5 Creedmoor simply because some owners refuse to admit that the .308 can be outperformed in certain areas. The .308 delivers more energy on impact within 500 yards, making the 6.5 Creedmoor more effective beyond that range. However, for hunting purposes below 500 yards, the 6.5 Creedmoor is more than sufficient, and there's no practical difference in application. The ONLY valid argument against the 6.5 Creedmoor is that it has less availability, sometimes making it more challenging to find, especially in survival scenarios.
No, it's just fun making fun of Creedmoor shooters.
Why ? @@NelsonZAPTM
U have never seen an apple to apple comparison. Load the 308 with 155 gr Palma match bullets and the 6.5 with the best bc bullets they have to offer and c what hapens
I Shoot the 308 and 6.5 CM, and they're both great cartridges, but the 6.5 was developed for a longer range than the 308. I think you should repeat the test using reinforced concrete and also use hardened steel plates. If you repeat the test using what you used in the first testing, then shoot it from 200 and 300 yards and see how they perform. I'm not sure what range you are testing from, but I'm sure that at 200, 300 and even 500 yards would show their true performance. Just my opinion. By the way, Great Videos!
Exactly 👍
🤔so you want him to show the 6 5 getting beat at what they say it was made for ? 308 still gonna win they're close in weight and 308 is faster should in theory travel farther with more energy should.... but yea I would like to see it
100%
The voice is amazing and the content is hilarious and enjoyable. LOVE IT.
Enjoyed the video! I’m guessing you hear this a lot, but you have a great voice and with a voice like that, you should be a radio announcer.
Thank you sir for confirming 308 win is the champion!
Great channel Banana…subscribed! From everything I’ve seen shooting both cartridges is the 6.5 Creedmoor’s only advantage ballistically speaking over 308 is range. I cannot hit my steel plate at 1760 yards with my 308 but i can pretty much hit steel every time at the same distance with my 6.5 creedmoor(calm wind day). 308 is still good out to 1-1.2k yards but needs more wind correction at distance. Everything else 308 wins(in my book).
6.5 has less wind deflection at any range and more energy beyond 500. Less recoil too. 308's only advantage is short range energy and barrel life. Both good cartridges.
Try a Sierra 155gr Palma bullet [BC of .504], or their new 169gr BTHP-M [BC of .527] Much higher ballistic coefficients with the new designs. Hornady ELD-M 155 gr [BC of .461] is slick, too. Also Berger makes a 155.5gr Fullbore [BC of .473] and a 168 VLD [BC of .473] or the Hybrid [BC of .478] that again, have very slippery coefficients. At longer ranges the better coefficients combined with that little bit of extra mass makes them pretty close to most 6.5 equivalents, except if you're shooting those super-fast twist 150gr 6.5mm that look like needles.
Shooting comparatively heavy-for-calibre bullets for target will give better exterior ballistics, especially out at longer ranges of 800 yards and more.
I have shot them both. As a 70 year old, I really prefer the lower recoil of the 6.5. It is easier to shoot more rounds comfortably .
I have 2 AR-10s in 308...one with 20" and one with 16". Both have Ultradyne Apollo Max brakes. They're kinda spendy, but WELL worth it for recoil mitigation. Follow-up shots are a breeze and my shoulder doesn't feel like I got hit by a truck after a long range day
This! 👆
I have 3 .308 and love them! Enjoy your channel!
Awesome video! Thanks for doing the comparison.
Really like the .308, enjoy your tests, thanks
Thanks again, Raymond Barone.
More like his brother. 😆
🤣
The cement test was a +25 for .308. it WAY more busted up the wood, than the 6.5CRD.
Good thing I have 6.5 on my 1200yd tack driver and 308 on my little scout, thanks for confirming the setup. You know, because at 1k yards you have time to sink a few in
Great channel, informative and entertaining.
Would love to see subsonic/suppressed/short barrel VS supersonic/non-suppressed/standard length barrel on the different barriers with a 5.56 and .300 BO.
Thank you sir.
Cool test but I don't think it's fair to compare these without taking cost and availability into consideration. You've got a similar performance, but the 308s cost is a fraction of the 6.5C and you can find them everywhere. Not to mention the guns themselves, much bigger variety of options.
The 6.5 is better for reaching out farther with less bullet drop; that being said the 6.5 shines more at longer distances. The .308 is slightly larger and has a little more energy on target within shorter distances than the 6.5 but that gap is bridged and surpassed at longer distances where the .308 loses energy faster and the 6.5 starts to retain more energy at those longer distances. This test was based more on terminal energy on target within a very short distance for these rds, so I am not surprised that the .308 did slightly better. However, out past say 600 meters the 6.5 starts to shine over the .308 and since both these rds are not considered anti-material rds but rather anti-personnel or more suited for "soft" targets, coupled with the fact that the rds are similar in diameter and ability to create similar wound cavities on a soft target, then it goes without sayingt that the 6.5 would be superior on a soft target if only because of the ability to hit that soft target more reliably and consistently at longer distances. This is the same type of advantage in "repeatable hittability" that we see in a .300 NORMA over a .338 LAPUA at longer distances.
most shooters cant hit anything past 400 meters... 90% of them cant even identify a target out past 600 much less eyeball the distance within 100 meters, they sure as hell cant hit it given a box full of ammo.
6.5 Creedmoor also isn't affected by shorter barrel lengths unlike .308.
Your voice… Is AMAZING! 😂 please tell me you make gun related commercials.
Good info and comparison...Thanks for the content and humor.
My friend and I have had this debate a handful of times, and I honestly was not expecting these rounds to be that close in performance
Still keeping the 308 over a 6.5
I won't sell my .308 yet. Comparing average bullet weights for calibers at same velocity would be a fairer comparison. Interesting and fun content - thanks!
I never sell anything
Why was the Creedmoor so much slower? Isn’t it based on the same case & capable of the same powder capacity?
Heavier bullet?
Barrel length. 308 is optimized for a 20" barrel where 6.5 is usually 24". I commented above about doing this test again, but getting velocities between both catridges to match up. I want to see how much the velocities plays a factor.
You have to look at the cross-section density of both rounds. The 308 wasn't much heavier but has a lot more surface area to push on compared to the 6.5 so it was faster. However, the 308 would also slow down a lot faster too for the same reason.
@@airborneivan Yep that’s exactly what I was curious about as well. At the same weight & velocity, I would assume the 6.5 would perform better, but that’s still TBD.
All nonsense about barrel length. Watch Texas plinking monthly 1000 yd challenge. Dude nailed it with 6.5 AR with 14.5 barrel. It’s the shooter
I appreciate all the shared knowledge. Thanks from commy 🇨🇦.
Would love to see how 158 grn +p 38 spcl and 180 grn 357 magnum do through the sand box, using Buffalo Bore or Underwood hard cast lead. Those are the two rounds my wife and I carry in the spring up here in black bear country.
Your videos are always fun. Thanks.
308 demolished the 3/4 " plywood and the creedmoor only cracked it severely
You're definitely my favorite gun, Channel. I love my 308 and 30-06. I hope you win the award. Cheers from Canada 🍻.
An video idea is to use the same caliber with different projectile weight
Always liked your vids! Have u tried using a block of ballistic gel with mild steel behind it?? Just to see how it would perform against an animal and also to see how much more power they have after going through the gel.
.308 won. At exactly 6:03, you gave a "win" to the creedmore, although the copper jacket of that round did not pass through the plywood. A fail, if you ask me. But when you turn the plywood over, the copper jacket is magically gone and the creedmore is given a pass. It's the .308, Gods contribution to Tyrant suppression. (edit point...) Good video. Liked and sub'd.
It would be interesting to see it done at distance. By distance I mean like 300, 500, and 700 yards.
Do you realize the precision that would take? Lol.. 🤦🏼♂️
@TTime685 those ranges are not difficult.
@@drewp4743 Maybe not too difficult to simply hit, but to get 2 or 4 evenly spaced hits on a piece of 6x8 lumber/target would definitely be. He would waste too many materials attempting. Use your brain
I'm from Wisconsin and my neighbor made a poor shot on a monster buck. A guy came with some dogs to try and retrieve it. I asked him what caliber gun does he have to track for the most and he said 6.5 creedmoore. Now I know there are variables and he probably doesn't always ask but I found that interesting that he answered so quickly
Anecdotal at the very least. At best it shows people in your region shoot more 6.5cm than anything else, including inexperienced shooters and hunters. Or most likely, and logically - poor shooters w/6.5cm in this area happen to call the same tracker.
shot placement > caliber
@Soprano313 6.5CM Being currently among the most popular chamberings for youth hunting rifles, and is often marketed as a low recoil option for kids, inexperienced shooters certainly could be the reason for needing tracking assistance.
Now if he lived in a state where the largest big game wasn't Whitetail and Blackbear, and the tracker was called out for a ton of Elk and Browns one may say it's more than just popularity and inexperienced shooters causing the issue.
"He made a poor shot". Pretty much tells the story. Poor shots equal wounded game. Don't blame the
Cartridge regardless of caliber.
I was just reading an old post on reddit where a guy was showing photos of a coyote that he downed between the eyes with a .177 air rifle.
I've noticed on the sand test that you dont usually get rounds passing through fully. So if there was some way you could shoot sand and then review how far each round got that may be more helpful! maybe like a bunch of little boxes of sand in a larger box. Not sure, probably doable though! Might change the results by getting something other than a draw.
I was thinking the same.
You could put a sheet of paper every inch, so you could check the penetration
I was literally gonna comment the same thing.. He needs to make the sandbox smaller or something to give certain rounds a chance to make it through
Easiest is to test sandboxes of different depths.
I'm assuming you used the exact same bullet construction? With that said, at that range, I'm not surprised they tied. Given the ballistic coefficient of the 6.5mm bullet, think at longer range it would begin to beat the 308. For most of us at 100yd ranges and hunting deer in the woods, there's probably little of any difference between the two functionally. Just shoot the gun you like to shoot and shoot it a lot and be happy.
6.5cm is 2.55906 inches... hell of a calibre, bigger than a punt gun. 11:34
That's true, but 308 even more impressive at .308inch / 7.8mm.
Just remember the 6.5 is in mm also
6.5 vs 7.62 ..@@Dennis_Stander
Bad call on the concrete test. The .308Win had a lot better effects on the plywood after the concrete destruction. Unless you are biased, the 6.5 Needmore definitely "needs more". Great video.
Great point
That was a good comparisons test. The 308Win had a spectacular destruction on the concrete bock and the plywood. My vote goes to the 308Win.
By the way, you have an amazing speaking voice. Are you also a baritone or a bass singer?
Well... that was interesting. I like both cartridges but, given the difference in felt recoil the winner here (for me) would be the 6.5 Creedmoor - on the target range - the 308 in the field, hunting. Both great cartridges. I see why the 6.5 is so popular.
Many years ago I performed the same test on a 300 win mag. However, I did not use a barrier to shoot through like you did. But it wouldn't have made any difference, as I did have a piece of metal come back and hit me in the lip when I was shooting some half inch plate. It didn't penetrate my lip but it stung a little bit. So even with a barrier, I would have still gotten stung. I really enjoyed this comparison. And I would have gone with the 308 to start with. But the big advantage of the creedmoor is way down range.
I like Banana Ballistics videos because they're entertaining to watch. BUT, the .308 vs 6.5 CM debate was settled a few years back by ballistics experts and expert long range rifle shots: The .308 delivers massive energy from the muzzle out to 700-800 yards, and you would think that because its the wider bullet and heavier by 7 grains that it would deliver more of a wallop within its ideal range, but you would be wrong. The skinnier 6.5 CM happens to have a greater ballistic coefficiency than the 7.62 (.308) because of its slightly skinnier profile and shape, so it delivers the same wallop at 1,200 yards that the .308 does at 800 yards. I have a high-end sniper rifle in 6.5 CM with a 16 inch bull barrel that will deliver the same energy at 1,000 yards that my Springfield M1A Socom 16 delivers at 700 yards. If I could only choose one rifle for an end of the world SHTF scenario I would choose the Socom 16 ONLY because I would probably be more likely to find .308 ammo just about anywhere, compared to 6.5 CM, which has slightly superior ballistics, but is hard to find.
Better choose and get them well before hand
I have to take into consideration availability and cost ...... so.......308 in my humble opinion.
Sadly both cartridges are far superior then the average shooters ability. I spend much time in our local gun shop and I hear some real BS..I use a 308 because I have for decades. Also I live off grid in Alaska and hunt with a marlin guide 45/70 for meat.
Their both incredibly similar in 130gr loadings. @400yds the 6.5cm starts to surpass the 308 Win in retained energy due to better B.C.
I have a 308 and 7m08 , so no need for a 6.5 Creedmoor. Great video 👍👍
I'd say the 308 won because of the damage caused to thr plywood on the concrete test.
Since Mr. Winchester reminded us to like, introduction to performing better my vote is for the 308
.308. The CM is simply a cartridge made for competition shooting. Sure, you can use it for other stuff. Obviously. But it was DESIGNED for competition shooting. .308 (well- the 7.62x51 anyway) was designed for warfighting. It's going to do a lot of things well.
Actually USSOCOM has officially adoped the 6.5 Creedmoor as a warfighting round, and has even awarded Geiselle a 29Million dollar contract to provide a gas gun in 6.5 Creedmoor for it.
Awesome video. I appreciate you guys!
A third shot from the 308, closer to the center, would have confirmed one of the other shots and would have confirmed a winner or a tie for the first round. It would have also confirmed the 308 the winner overall 😬😆
IF.
@@sirsancti5504 you are dismissed troll
@@randallbollinger1449 you are potato.
6.5 Creedmore = $2.50 a round. 308 = $0.65 a round. .308 wins
All hogs hit with either round declined to vote. Draw
All deer hit with either round also declined to vote. Draw
Parts availability for custom builds - much more
Choice for .308. .308 wins
Reloading component availability .308 again. .308 wins
Small brain bragging rights. 6.5 Creedmore wins
So there you have it. The .308 is the hands down winner.
There have been so many rifles manufactured that are chambered in .308 that, whether good or bad, 6.5 has a lot of catching up to do to meet that same volume. It doesn’t seem likely, as most will just stick with what they have, but 6.5 will stick around as a niche caliber.
Yes, I watch your videos more than once. lol TY. (and I find myself imitating your voice in the morning when I grind my coffee beans haha)
I would like to see maybe testing calibers with the same sectional density and construction, rather than just the same weight. The 140 grn 6.5 CM has a much higher SD than the 147 grn .308. (About .063 difference). If the construction is the same as far as jacket thickness and lead core hardness, it would be better to test the 165 grn .308 against the 120 grn 6.5 CM maybe?
Yo banana!!!
Great video.
Can you do a barrier challenge at distance with the same cartridges?
I’d love to see which performs better at 100yd, 200yd or greater.
.308 wins!!
308 winchester because the only reason it did not tie with the 6.5 on the earlier test was because the bullet tumbled due to the fact that you hit the 6x6 wood block at the bottom instead of the middle.