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- Many have requested this episode, and finally Namarasa was able to sit down with Babaji in this exclusive interview. Discussed topics including: History of the Jiva Institute, Babaji's journey in ISKCON, "In Vaikuntha Not Even the Leaves Fall" book (his side of the story!) and various others. This is not to be missed!
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Fantastic talk. I have deep love for Babaji.
This is a historically important document.
We love you, too, Jagadananda Baba. Deep respect for your work.
@@JagadanandaDas because?
Where are you these days after leaving Jiva Babaji ?
@@JagadanandaDas🙏🏼
Sri Babaji - is a person of impeccable character who actually lives the Vaishnava sadachar (good behaviour). Babaji is a living example of how to practice Verse 4 of Siksastam -"trinad api sunichena II taror api sahishnuna II amanina manadena ||kirtaniyah sada harih." Babaji's humility comes through at the end of the interview where he asks for forgiveness if his words has disturbed any one. And this is not false humility but genuine humility coming from the heart. ..deepak desai
Babaji Maharaj is real sadhu. Listening him i just want to go and read shastra and chant.
To be a real Vaishnav by seen him. Yes. Same here 🙏
I very much love and respect gentle and knowledgable Babaji Satyanaran Maharaj.
His Guru Shri Haridas Shastri is high saint and there can be separate class just about him. He is incredible high saint he was and scholar. I heard stories about his bhakti and his personality.
I like babaji's mood. He is a simple hearted person.
Oh my God, this is your biggest guest by far. I can't believe you got Sri Babaji Satyanarayan Das! I feel very connected to him. Would be nice to meet him someday and offer my Dandavat Pranam..
How BIG is he? 😬
@@jeanlucamade2397 Good Girl! 👌
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
@@ReverendDr.Thomas Stop talking shit to me.
@@ReverendDr.Thomas I saw you also call others ''slave''. what a piece of shit you are.
@@jeanlucamade2397 I am patiently awaiting your response to my question, SLAVE. ☝🏼
Babaji is a unique sadhu and guru. He has experienced the traditional Indian village life and thus can explain details of Vedic culture that help us better and deeply understand our scriptures. He is also familiar with the modern Western mind and lifestyle, which qualifies him to teach in an appropriate way. And he is immersed in shastra, which he reads and understands directly in Sanskrit. On top of all that, he walks his talk!
Good Girl! 👌
Incidentally, are you VEGAN? 🌱
@@ReverendDr.Thomas what? What is wrong with you?
@@servantofthelord108, respected British anthropology professor, Dr. Edward Dutton, has demonstrated that “LEFTISM” is due to genetic mutations caused by poor breeding strategies.
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To put it simply, in recent decades, those persons who exhibit leftist traits such as egalitarianism, feminism, gynocentrism, socialism, multiculturalism, transvestism, homosexuality, perverse morality, and laziness, have been reproducing at rates far exceeding the previous norm, leading to an explosion of insane, narcissistic SOCIOPATHS in (mostly) Western societies.
If you base your entire tradition on one Prophet or one book u will fall into same trap of Abrahamic religions. The desert culture of deprivation could never produce a better philosophy that too based on just single prophet than the perennial philosophy given by a forest dwelling culture of abundance refined over ageless continuum.
Abrahamic faiths ideology very nature is predatory & proselytizing. Any subgroup of Hindu Dharmic tradition who fall prey to deracination & alienate from Hindu roots are bound to be easy target. Buddhist suffered similar fate in regions of Afghanistan & Bengal & wiped out by Islam.
Indeed, it was a very lovely and honest interview with a genuine vaishnava Satyanarayana das Babaji. A rare soul in Vaishnava community.
Dear Babaji, thank you for being so inspiring. Forever grateful
Namarasa Prabhu, I really like the way you hosted this podcast. Please, please, please do bring back Babaji Maharaja to tell us more about the Vedic psychology. My heart was deeply moved by his knowledge and attitude in general. Thank you both 🙏
I had always felt the same about psychology. It helps you to have better sadhu Sanga
Vedic psychology is just some BS he panders, you pay thousands of dollars for the classes, and he doesn't even talk about bhakti. I attended a class he gave to Facebook employees in the bay area. He didn't mention Krishna at all pmuch.
@@jackbootshamangaming4541 unless you are a pure devotee you need psychology to work your way around people. And work out your own problems.
@@jackbootshamangaming4541 sorry to hear you had a negative experience but that doesn't mean the Vedic psychology is what you call it. Maybe you need a different approach and a different teacher. Good luck!
I’ve had the good fortune of studying Vedic Psychology with Babaji, and his disciples. It’s derived from sastra. Since this deep study, my life has improved immensely, especially my devotional and family life. I recommend anyone, and especially fellow vaisnavas to study with Babaji. ANY dollar amount I would pay to receive what he joyfully gives without condition.
This Vaisnava is a true Vraja Babaji. The nobility of his behaviour, speech and thoughts is nowhere to be found. The way he lives and teaches sastra unveils the world of Gaudiya Vaisnavism as it was established by Mahaprabhu and the Sad Gosvamis. A BIG thank you to Namarasa for having organised this interview and to the revered Babaji Maharaja for having accepted it.
I am amazed at the clarity of his memory going back 40+ years, what to speak of the story itself. And then he hits home with deep understanding of Shastra. So much respect and love for Babaji🙏
For anyone considering reading one of Babaji Maharaj's books, I suggest starting out with his latest one, "Pearls of Wisdom".
Wow, this was a great podcast. Bring Maharaj back would love to hear more.
Satyanarayana Dasa Babaji Maharaj is the Gandalf of the Chaitanya Vaishnava world.
❤
Gandalf is the Satyanarayana Dasa Babaji Maharaja of Middle Earth.
Thank you for such open interview Babaji. It was really interesting to hear and I didn't know that Babaji was serving in ISKCON for some time.
This was a truly refreshing and profound interview. I'm very grateful for having heard the deep wisdom and understanding of the essential teachings of bhakti yoga coming from such an authentic teacher. Pranams!
This sadhu is so inspiring. I wish to serve this sadhu somehow. I am very touched by his story and by his life. So unfortunate that they treated him that way. With tears in my eyes, I wish to have his love, and I wish to connect with him in my life someday.
That was an amazing talk with satyanarayan babaji maharaj ... ❤❤ Dandavat pranam
I love Babaji Maharaj. Much respects to both of you for this. Thank you!
Thank you for this interview! I have learned so much from its content and from the clearness and intensity of Babaji’s explanations on the importance of shastra. He is a living example of the unshakable sradha. I am and was always very inspired by him, his teachings and publications, and am most grateful for his devotional example. Gratefully Sunayana
This interview is excellent and well worth the listen. Thank you for doing and posting this interview.
Hari Hari
Thank you for
broadcasting
Dr. Dasa's experiences!
🤓🙏🏼🦚🕉️♾️🎓🧐🤓🦚💯
Thank You for this podcast. We got to hear Babaji's amazing story.
Thankyou for this gem of a talk !
Loved this talk. I admire him greatly
What an interview!!! So amazing!! I want to meet this Babaji , I also stay in Vrindavan...
Thank you so much for this interview to such a great personality! 🙏
Really beautiful! It is nice to listen to this story. Thank you so much
Babaji is one of the very rare people these days who consistently exhibits integrity and bravery. Thank you for sharing his story with the devotees.
All glories to babaji! Seeking his blessings
Thank you Namarasa ji for this podcast. It was sublime! Shri Babaji Maharaja is awesome and inspiring to all of us.
Impressive how long he had to wait for it to come to light. His humble firmness in assuming his responsibility is inspiring. Thanks to both. 🙏
Please spread kirtan . Kirtan all the way RADHE RADHE ,
Winderful interview. Pranams at the Swami’s feet.
It is indeed very inspirational story and the sahejta in the story so evident and motivational. Thank you Babaji for sharing this 🙏🌿💐🌿🙏
Amazing story and very inspiring.
Very Very inspiring 🙏
What an episode! 🙏
I knew about Babaji from Vic ji.
Lovely ❤️
a breeze of Vrindavan vibes comes with this episode, thanks for that 🙏
most devotees don't have much background of the "falldown topic' a real discussion was also suppressed by the leaders of that time, although it is an issue to this day, it is really an important story to be told
in the early nineties Kundali Prabhu has lived in our Berlin temple for quite a time, by the mercy of some devotees, although he was banned, he spoke a lot about the Sri Tattva Sandarbha's, he was such a nice and kind Vaishnava, that I remember very good
I just watched the whole 2 hours, man this is eye opening in so many ways.Maharaj inspired me in so many ways but now I don't know how to read from my guru.
No worries. Your an atheist anyway. 😆
This is the first time I have heard from Babaji Maharaja, though I have read his books. Really appreciate his humble and grave mood. A true scholar in the best sense of the term,
Very interesting. I wish the Maharaj had explained what the shastras are.
Hare Krishna. Kudos to you Namras for this podcast.
Start to finish this interview was captivating. Heard so many stories , read the book Maharaj had written , but hearing from Babaji Maharaj was the best treat.
Main topics I loved - Jiva issue , diksha shiksha , shraddha, maya.
Great thanks to you again
Hare krishna 🙏🙏🙏
The Sandarbhas are gold, and Babaji and his team of editors have done an amazing job in bringing out the English editions, albeit they are VERY expensive, but those who seek will find them. Waiting for the last one, Priti Sandarbha that's yet to be published by Jiva institute.
Haribol 🙏 Thank you so much for hosting this one, Namarasa Prabhu. It’s always refreshing to hear different perspectives and narratives. His courage to stay true to oneself and humility, among other qualities, are admirable.
Pranams 🙏This is such a beautiful interview. Thank you Namarasa and Maharaja.
How could you not known J Krishnamurti 😅😅! Nevertheless, not everyone can contemplate his wisdom, and if you did , you can lift some darkness in your life. Thank you Satyanarayan jee for sharing your life and enlightening. If all goes well, you might see me one day seeking guidance,. Life here in west is definitely empty and conflicting!
May you live looooong!
Ash
Wow! thank you Namarasa prabhu from broadening my view of the gaudiya horizon!
Beautiful
Babaji is so smart, dandavats
Very excited. 🙂
Hare Kṛṣṇa! 🙏🙏
Prabhu please request Maharaj to come back and elaborate on the subject of Vedic psychology which was touched briefly. Thank you. Hare Krishna 🙏
"Forget about easy before you come to nistha platform ... " Ummmm.... Srila Prabhupada directly encourages easy from start to finish. Follow Śrīla Prabhupada in every detail and you are going to get Krishna. The babajis Gaurakishore and Jagannatha das Babaji were not scholars. No. And they are highly respected Gaudiya Vaisnava saints. The mind of Satyanarayan is often revealed here as flickering. He seems to say one thing and contradict it in the same breath. I am listening for the 2nd time, and am taking notes of this phenomenon. Even from youth he says ' "I did not want to do it, then I did it." (a simple example of taking a decision he says he did not want to take )... When Śrīla Prabhupada says don't hear from outsider babajis , this is sincere advice which in this case should be followed. Srila Prabhupada is jagat guru for this Kaliyuga. No one can criticise him and get away with it.
@@tulayamalavenapi4028 My obiesances unto you but I request that you keep your limited approach to yourself. There are Vaishnavas of all types and Srila Prabhupada is one of the greatest Vaishnavas undoubtedly. However it does not give us a licence to minimize other devotees and babajis. 🙏
@@tulayamalavenapi4028
Enough of backing up prabhupada,
Prabhupada clearly has no knowledge on scriptures as he openly contradicted most of the times!!
In bhagavatam he writes Shiva cannot come under Maya. 8.12.40
In bhagavad gita he comments, Shiva loat to sensual attraction towards parvati. 2.62
In the entire vedic literature, nowhere you will find this comment rather opposite comment can be found. Ramayana.balakanda. and Shiva purana, rudra samhita ,kumara kanda.
Prabhupada lied, contradicted.
Dont overact keeping flaws in your pocket.
Absolutely wonderful
Hare Krsna!
Thank you Naamras Prabhu, what a guest, what a saint?!
A real sadhu.
I think he is serving SP very nicely as a practising bhakti scholar.
A question:
Why then SP said what he said about falling down from Vaikuntha...?
Not to waste time asking this difficult question while getting out of the burning house of material life (and while we are trying to get out from this burning house our hair catches fire!) but to concentrate on our service & devotion coz he knew that most of us have no brain power to understand these topics in the first place?
Please comment.
Dandavat pranamas.
Ys, Krsnadasa
Srila Prabhupada was preaching to the people of Abrahamic faith and they have this idea that they fell down from heaven and as once Srila Prabhupada suggested that no one can reach the moon and many people left the movement so Prabhupad decided to preach them somewhat according to their ideology and thus also many times glorified Mohammad and other prophets but Srila Prabhupad always said in his books that one should follow in the footsteps of Rupa Raghunath but by misfortune 90% of his books are changed by "devotees".
🙏🏻 Very nice point, that different opinions do not mean that hatred has to there. Very beautiful and saintly understanding.
No Gaudiya Math accepts that the jiva falls from Vaikuntha. If you read Srila Prabhupada's Bhagavatam, he also says the jiva can't fall from Vaikuntha
Absolutely, the iskcon misunderstanding is due to the strong judeo Christian influence and borrowing of eternal sin and Adam/Eve theology
Lol! Gaudiya matha devotees are staunch in the belief that jiva doesn't falls from vaikuntha.
@@rudrak9800 yes because this is the true tattva siddhanta that is consistent with the conclusion of the Acharyas
@@dontwannabefound Seems logical
bhuliyā tomāre, saḿsāre āsiyā,
peye nānā-vidha byathā
I forsook You, O Lord, and came to this world of pain and sorrow. (Bhaktivinoda Thakura, Saranagati, Bhuliya Tomare 1)
The only one that was able to reconcile all the different philosophical contradictions circulating among the devotees.
Thank you very much for this podcast. I was very inspired by the determination of Babaji to follow śāstra inspite of administrative and social pressure, and also by his gentleness to people, who deprived him of almost everything he had.
tiraskṛtā vipralabdhāḥ
śaptāḥ kṣiptā hatā api
nāsya tat pratikurvanti
tad-bhaktāḥ prabhavo ’pi hi
The devotees of the Lord are so forbearing that even though they are defamed, cheated, cursed, disturbed, neglected or even killed, they are never inclined to avenge themselves. (ŚB 1.18.48)
Can you share with the letter by Druta Karma?
My daṇḍavats,
Narada das
Thanks a lot for this interview
Hare Kṛṣṇa Hare Kṛṣṇa.. Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa Hare Hare.. Hare Rāma Hare Rāma.. Rāma Rāma Hare Hare
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Also the study of sanskrit is generally an interesting topic.
How did you get His Holiness??! One of my favorite people. So nice, humble, and straightforward. Nice questions too.
Namarasa prabhu, thank you very much for this episode. I've met babaji several times and really liked him since but after hearing his story I like him even more :) (though personally me too am a disciple of a guru in ISKCON). And, yes, I also think that babaji was treated unfairly in ISKCON. Shame...
All glories to the pure and simple
All glories to Srila Prabhupada
Jai!!!100000 times🥳🥳
Very impressive,“One must learn sastra from the Guru”.That’s why we shall not neglect the Founder Acharya,Prabhupada’s book, because without studying Prabhupada’s purports and lectures carefully we could not know the meaning of the truth.Through Guru’s explanation one knows sastra.Prabhupada also mentioned in the purport of Bg 9.3 how faith is the base of one’s bhakti life and 3 different kinds of devotees with different degrees of faith.
We ❤ ❤ 😊 it
Sadhu! Sadhu! Sadhu! 😊🙏
Very informative
Amazing 🙏💫
Eagerly waiting for the vedic psychology episode
You should have bhanu swami and snd together. It would be really interesting conversation.
We can have unity in diversity but we should also understand there is diversity in unity and it's all ok🙏
Very Peculiar Interview
Radhe Radhe
Dandavat Pranan
Now you need to Interview Advaita Das from Holland and Haricharan Das Dada
from U.S.A.
both are also very good Scholars
🙏🏻🌷
I like listening to this very much and got lots of great information. However, not one mention of importance of chanting Hare Krishna or importance of sankirtan
If you want to hear that, you can always just to a lecture. These podcasts are different.
Hey prabhus of LMP! Haribol!
Possibly can you interview Carl and Marsha Mueller? They're the parents of Kayla, the 26 year old Food For Life girl that lost her life in Syria. That would be very interesting.
With Satyanarayana Das Babaji..a deeper understanding of the scriptures is present ... But the Western so-called Prabhupada devotees have never been able to appreciate this, and still cannot...This is a disaster....
I like the non-hate part. Still I personally don't understand how one can appreciate Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, but then be totally indifferent towards Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura. But okay, no reason for hating anybody.
I always understood the process of bhakti by submissive hearing from the spiritual master or from advanced devotees, asking questions and do practical service, especially engaging someway or other in the preaching mission. By this combination spiritual knowledge will become manifested in our hearts.
Srila A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada once said, one cannot jump over the spiritual master. I personally cannot understand how a follower of Srila A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada can go to another teacher who ignores the spiritual master of Srila A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, namely Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura. Again, no reason for hating anyone, but I will never follow this idea. For me it doesn't feel right.
But beside that I really like SND's attitude towards people who have decided to take distance from him/ his teachings. He seems to be pretty cool with it. I like his non-hate attitude even when there are different philosophical opinions. This ego-detached position is rare nowadays. My respect!
He took reinitiation in a separate line. That was the point of contention with iskcon authorities because haridas shastri Maharaj had spoken in the past that the line of bhaktisiddhanta did not follow vedic tradition for a guru line. So they think the problems with the line are severe. Most iskcon devotees do not delve into that because of our faith. But for outsiders it is an issue.
@@AnkurSethi108 ah, okay, thx
@@AnkurSethi108 he did not take “reinitiation” he took a Bonafide real Initiation
What is the position of India? Nobody cares for India. Wherever I go, they say, "Oh, India. That is poverty-stricken country." That is your good message. Because you are actually going. The ministers are going, "Give me..., give me grains, give me money, give me weapons, so I can be saved from the slaughtering of China." The begging business. India's position is not very glorious outside India. You may be puffed up that you have become independent. But everyone is anxious to have your spiritual culture. Everyone. They know, even a Chinaman, he has written one book that is recommended in New York University. He says that "If you want to know about spiritual culture and religion, then you must go to India."
Why Indian boys are refusing? That is my question. They are losing the opportunity of taking birth in India. They are so much obstinate-to take their birth in India, and they are refusing this culture. That is the effect of this modern education.
You should realize your own assets and distribute to the world, and that will make you glorious. Surat srimad-bhagavatam 6.1.38
Dec 20,1970
No reason that is reasonable for taking anyone else other than Śrīla Prabhupada as guru. This is so clear, and if one reads only the books he dedicated his whole life to translating and distributing, that will take up a complete lifetime. No time to waste dilly-dallying around with any other guru or a single philosophical idea blown up to such proportions that the basics are obscured. How many rounds does baba commit to? How many kirtans a day? What deity worship? What book distribution? I mean no disrespect to his persona, however, his conclusions and opinions are not helpful, and they may be harmful. Better to avoid the association. I heard this interview for the 2nd time and took notes to sharpen my faith in everything Śrīla Prabhupada gave us down to the last detail. Prabhupada gave the world Sri Krishna Caitanya in glorious perfection. Yes one can study and use logic to come to the understanding of how much we cannot understand ultimately about the inconceivable Absolute Truth. If we could count the grains of sand or stars in the sky, still we could never count the glories of Sri Krishna.
In our guru parampara , has the Baba not developed respect for Gaura Kishore das Babaji and Jagannatha das Babaji? They are highly respected Vaisnava saints.
Srila Gaura Govinda Swami also didn't agree on the voting of the GBC that the jiva fell from Vaikuntha...
Sri Radha Govinda Das Maharaj also doesn't agree with falldown from Vaikuṇṭha.
Wow seems that where people fall on this topic shows very clearly who has read something and who hasn’t
Wrong! Actually Gaur Govinda Maharaja was a strong supporter of SND Babaji and against bogus idea of fall down from Vaikuntha.
@@eugenewilewski8087 Ofcourse, they were all against falldown.
@@leo5927
Srila Narayan Maharaj also didn't
Bhaktivinoda thakura says in Jaiva Dharma we cannot understand spiritual topics with our mundane mind. Therefore we should spiritualice the mind by chanting continuously, having received the diksha from bonafide Guru. Also service and sureender is essential. I think babaji is giving more enfasis in study....
without study with guru how can you understand the glories of nam? it deepens nam realization.
@@jimmyb2471 Mercy gives realization, and we get Mahaprabhu's mercy by Chanting. No scholar can get this mercy merely by scholarship alone.
@@tulayamalavenapi4028 you cant properly chant without study, then your chanting is merely aparadh which will not give krishna prema. these study give you all angles and ultimately you will really know what is PURE uttama bhakti, not mixed bhakti.
that bal yogi is Maharaj prem Rawat ji... he believes and preaches Nirankar Brahm... my grand mother is his disciple since35 years ...
1:19:59
All Glories to Radha Krishna All Glories to Bhagavat Sadhu Sangha
If Diksha and Siksha are never separated . How did Narottam , Shyamananda and Srinivas all take Siksha from Jiva Goswami who was not their Diksha Guru
I think Babaji meant that Shrila Rupa goswami says primarily we should take siksha from our diksha guru. Ofc we can take siksha from others after that.
One can take siksha from the same school usually with permission of guru.
All depends were your sources come from .
Start reading books out of Iskcon and you will find truth
How to conceive the point of getting personalized Siksha from Guru?
There are lot for Prabhupada disciples who couldn't get that much personal association of their Guru.
Even Prabhupada didn't get that much personal association of their Guru.
How comprehend this?
Some here in the comments are presenting the hard core almost fundamentalist doctrine that everyone must follow or you are bogus. That is a quality of neophytes the way i see it. They don't have realization so they grab a tattva and use it to pummel others into submission. It is rampant among the followers of the so called orthodox way.
The ideal is the personalized relationship between guru and disciple, where the disciple imbibes the knowledge of the guru. Everything else is certainly less than ideal and the results have been obvious in many cases.
I think it means it cannot be ritwik. You need personal diksha. And interaction even for a day.
Srila Prabhupada said everything is there in his books.
@@ThomasBeek yeah that’s why we have to reach out to read Goswamis book to understand deeper
Let’s try to bring Nitai, Neal Delmonico ❤
The books published by Neal Delmonico and his blog posts have really been foundational in shaping my thinking about Gaudiya Vaishnavism.
@@SKP-op4vd most people I believe In the west.
@@wavesofbhakti2909 have you read "Sadhu sadhu"?
@@SKP-op4vd yes. The bio of tinkori baba. ❤️
@@wavesofbhakti2909 such a wonderful book 🙏🧡
There was always a slight irritation with the belief that bhakti is easy. It is quite complicated. What I didn't know is that bhakti is easy after nistha becomes one's platform.
I appreciate the maturity of Babaji, but have a question: If even a kanishtha adhikari can't fall down, then why do visaya-sangara, etc. stages (as explained in Madhurya Kadambini) happen between Bhajan kriya and Anartha nivritti? In these stages, one may fall down and rise again.
Fall means irrecoverable. That is caused by offending the guru. Otherwise one who has Bhakti does not fall. He takes baby steps and gets back up.
Another interview with BB Rasikananda Maharaja please
BB Rasikananda Maharaj is a pure devotee indeed ❤️🙏🏻
@@Noone-jw5nj I don’t think he’s a pure devotee yet .
We must watch out our statements and not give this so cheaply.
He’s advanced and well studied yes but pure devotee no
@@traditionalparivarsparivars I'm not claiming anything cheaply
What makes you think that he is not in our line?
I tend to think that the kind of guru disciple relationship that Babaji speaks of is much more available in India, and is a very village centered traditional way. To constantly hear with one's ears shiksha directly from one's diksha guru is a luxury few in the west can afford. But reading the books and hearing online the words of one's guru is certainly possible. I personally don't see the great benefit of hearing over reading. They are parts of one thing. I do think it good advice to read and imbible your gurus entire canon to get the complete picture of his teachings. I'm not sure why Baba thinks everyone is just flitting here and there for shiksha. ONce you've digested your guru's words it is natural to expand your horizons and hear from other sadhus. That only makes sense.
After taking notes on this interview, your comment has validity.
If even a Neophyte can't fall down from the path of Bhakti . How did Bharat Maharaj Fall down from the level of Bhava because of his affection for a baby deer. This comes out of the Bhagavatam , which Srila Jiva Goswami says is the King of All evidences
The purpose of that story. Is to demonstrate the danger of attachment. Not all literal.
The fall is about JIVA falling (coming down to earth) from the spiritual planets such a Vaikhunta or Goloka. "Not that you can not fall from your sadhana" while been in the material world.
Bharat Maharaj Falldown srila Jiva Goswami explains was conducted by bhagvan himself for lila
@@madhavsinghsodhi1614 Yes , it may be the Lila of Bhagavan but the point remains. Through this Lila Bhagavan is instructing practitioners on the path of Bhakti that fall down can take place even from the level of Bhava. This is the opinion expressed by our Gaudiya Vaishnava Acharya's on this very same topic. The topic being the fall down of Bharat Maharaja. And because Bhagavatam has expressed this, it should be taken as the highest evidence. A similarly situation is there in the Chaitanya Caritamrita, The fall down of Junior Haridas . Our Acharya's have commented that Lord Chaitanya used his eternal associate to warn those Sanyasi on the path of Bhakti to not intimately associate with women. Junior Haridas is a eternal associate of Lord Chaitanya and cannot fall down
@@penlight5289 maybe we might not have understood Babajis statement properly, the subject required elaborate discussion. Maybe he wanted to express that one who has Truly developed Faith won't Falldown, even if hurdles will come they would not deviate. I don't know, this subject requires deliberation. Point for mentioning Bharat Maharaj was that it was not really a Falldown
Suddha sattva guna is no nice. #kabehabe #oneday
Dear Namarasa Prabhu, you have walked right into a very cleverly set up trap.
Please send help 🤪
What trap? Please can you enlighten us on your opinion?
@@sueco5636 Babaji Mhj is directly attacking the process given by Srila Sarasvati Thakur and Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada! Casually referencing extremely controversial topics throughout the conversation. Also to be noted is how he was promoting this interview on his channels at the time. Very strategic. Special focus was laid on the fact that you can never progress by reading books, and that you need a personal spiritual master who can teach you 1 to 1. New people who hear this will definitely get shaken. Lord Caitanya's mission is the congregational chanting of the holy names.. which was not even mentioned once! Clever use of the platform in his favour.
It is very easy now, to sit in the dham and attack other paths.. but Srila Prabhupada did the actual tremendous hard work of going to the west and preach all over the world. It really saddens me to see his teachings attacked like this. Chanting the holy names was not at all referenced.. that fact in itself should set alarm bells ringing. 2 hours of controversy after controversy but no time for the holy name. Absolutely ridiculous.
And the theme was his personal journey (if the theme was specifically addressing controversy then it's understandable).
Babaji himself is speaking about siksha parampara, the process of reveiving spiritual knowledge through Hari katha or spiritual instructions. He may not realize that he himself is mentioning Bhagavata parampara or siksha parampara.
He says if there is a shiksha parampara then when do the students get shiksha? We treat it as a diksha parampara when we like and a shiksha parampara when we like. According to convenience.
Krishna says that even if my devotee commits the most abominable action, if he is engaged in devotional service he is to be considered saintly because he is properly situated in his determination (Bg 9.30) This means that fall down is a temporary thing . but it is still a fall down
Is not about that point, but it is about from where the Jiva comes.
@परीक्षित् Parikshit Lord Krishna states in the verse that he is engaged in devotional service. One who is engaged in devotional service is what ?
@@GouraSangha Most Gaudiya Vaishnavas already accept that the Jiva does not fall from the Spiritual world. You are bringing nothing new to the conversation. But one can fall from the level of Bhava. One can fall from the level of Swarup Siddhi also. The only position one cannot fall from is Vastu Siddhi
The body is an instrument. Devotee means, conscious awareness (the soul residing in the body). The body is product of three modes of nature and is control by them. The soul is witnessing the actions of the body, but responds only to devotional activity. Once devotional samskaras are imprinted in consciousness (beginning with sraddha ) there is no way to move down for the soul. There is no fall down for the soul touched by devotion! It is firmly established in its particular level of advancement, and moves only "up", never "down". Maharaja Bharata became a deer but his body was coordinated with consciousness from previous life. His awareness didn't move even one inch from the previously established level. Similar story is about Vritrasura. Was he a devotee or a demon? Was he realized or fallen? If you think that "fall down" means to break so called " 4 principals"then it is laughable and unsupported by shastra understanding, although I don't recommend to break them..
@@eugenewilewski8087 what I mean by fall down is what Lord Krishna states in Bgagavat Gita 9.32 The most abominable action.
I am getting tired of responding to you.
I have better things to do with my time. So don't expect another response from me
Say what you want and go your separate way
Krishna is not attracted by erudite scholarship alone, especially if it has not brought one to the conclusion of loving devotional service to the Personality of Krishna Himself, through the personal relationship one has with Krishna. The illiterate who cried tears just looking at the picture of Arjuna and Krishna got full blessings of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, did he not? That love is the supreme goal, and over and over again the fact is glorified. But many many want to lick the outside of the honey jar instead of opening it. 😢