There should be more healthy discussions about this topics since there are many wrong ideas about Srila BV Narayana Maharaja nowadays that need to be clarified. Srila BV Narayana Gosvami Maharaja has allways been a welwisher of Iskcon and I wish to hear how everything is discussed in detail, this is necessary to avoid Vaisnava aparadha
H.H. Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja performed the samadhi ceremony of Srila Prabhupada on Srila Prabhupada's order. He also made the arrangements for Srila Prabhupada's Sanyasa ceremony like preparing the Sanyasa-Danda (a stick that Sanyasis carry), he prepared the yagya (fire sacrifice), He conducted the ceremony of mantras and grain and ghee offerings into the fire which is required for Sanyasa ceremony, and other things for Srila Prabhupada's Sanyasa at Sri Keshavaji Gaudiya Matha, Mathura, India. Here is a video of H.H Radhanath Maharaja glorifying Srila BV Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: th-cam.com/video/lK5Q9tNCW5A/w-d-xo.html and here is a video of H.H. Amogh Leela Prabhu glorifying Srila BV Narayan Gosvami Maharaja: th-cam.com/video/PDQxEnAW-jg/w-d-xo.html Find out more about the sweet relationship of Srila BV Narayana Maharaja and Srila Prabhupada here: www.purebhakti.com/teachers/bhakti-discourses/23-discourses-2004/393-in-glorification-of-srila-prabhupada or here: www.purebhakti.com/resources/ebooks-magazines/bhakti-books/english/22-letters-from-america
Hare Krsna, this is wonderful! In a Secretary letter dated Oct. 24, 1977, from Tamal Krsna to Giriraj , TKG quotes Prabhupada, "Srila Prabhupada said, "No more non cooperation. Now everyone cooperate to spread Lord Caitanya's movement." " This letter is in the Veda base (2019) under Correspondence, Secretary Letters. SP was specifically speaking about ISKCON and the Gaudiya Math. Jai Sri Krsna!
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What a WONDERFUL conversation. Truth is truth. And wherever there is a spark of Krishna Consciousness it must be fanned (ref, Srila Prabhupada) Thank YOU!!
Obeisance 🙏🏼it warms my heart to hear talk of unity and diversity . Srila Bahktisidhanta Sarasvati Thaku Prabhupada wanted all of us to be United . There a couple other of Srila AC Bhaktividanta Swami Prabhupadas . His 150 yr celebration is coming up in 2024. Srila B. Bodhayan Maharaja is trying to spread the word of unity and adversity. I am a disciple of A.C Bhaktividanta Swami Prabhupada 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼. I am going to believe this time to have things over to the second generation. All of you gentlemen are perfect examples of leaders 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Love the discussion and appreciate the service attitude of these fine bramacharis! I wish them all blessings in their endeavor! I would love to visit their community when it’s all up and running! Respectfully, I wish to disagree with one point made that the two camps, Srila Narayana Maharaj’s sanga and ISKCON are only different in some cultural practices, like what songs are sung and such. For example Srila Prabhupada established 16 rounds and 4 regs as a base standard for initiation. Srila Prabhupada did not initiate George Harrison, who was obviously very important and sincere but who didn’t chant 16 rounds daily. I have many friends who where initiated without a set standard of 16 rounds or 4 regs by Srila Narayana Maharaja and this contradicts Srila Prabhupada’s standard. Another difference is that the foundation of ISKCON is Srila Prabhupad's books. They stand as the philosophical authority over all other books and preachers within the institution and hearts of Prabhupa’s followers. Nothing is more important in Srila Prabhupad’s mission than his books. I know that this is not the standard within Maharaj’s sanga and such this is a substantial difference between the two camps. So out of the greatest respect for the Srila Narayana Maharaj, his followers and sanga, as I offering my full dandavat pranams to them, I have to dissent on the view that we are all the same but with some slight sadhana differences.
Srila BV Narayana Maharaja also had the requirement of 16 rounds and 4 regs, I can tell because I am his disciple... there is allways some misguided people in all sangas who may say whatever they like... but generally that was the principle. And Srila Gurudeva said “first read Srila Prabhupada’s books, then mine. If you just listen to some opinions you will get misinformed. Try to ger information from bonafide sources. Hare Krishna
Even if this was true, these are not substantial differences. Both are Rupanugas, both are Sri Brahma Madhava Gaudiya Sarasvat Sampradaya. Each acharya may have a special way to preach, that will allways be there, even in Iskcon there are different Gurus who do things in different ways, it is ok as long as we keep the siddhanta intact and understand what is the saddhana and what is the goal ( sadhya ) and don’t get confused by different external differences. The books of Srila Prabhupada are the same books that all Gaudiya Maths follow... Bhagavatam, Upadesamrta, CC, etc and his purports are based on the comentaries of the Vaisnava acharyas like Baladeva Vidyabushan, Vishvanath Chakravarti Thakur, the Gosvamis, etc which are read by all Gaudiya Vaisnavas
Sorry for the delay I am only just catching up on the older ones. Great episode, thank you. I sincerely hope their center is working, they may inadvertently save ISKCON yet. If we feel more comfortable with others in the Gaudiya Math as our brothers, then maybe being comfortable in the long term with disciples of other ISKCON gurus won't be a bridge too far. I have seen divisions arising then Krsna closes the gap a bit, then it widens again a bit. Srila Prabhupada gave precise instructions that these divisions must not happen, but still they do. If this isn't sorted by the time most of Prabhupada's disciple gurus have left then what chance is there of having one ISKCON moving on. What will the picture look like in another fifty years? We are serving one master, let's try and do it together. Haribol!
@@samspade2657 he only helped the disciples of srila prabhupad who were lost in bhakti. but the problem is people don't understand the difference between diksha guru and siksa guru
@@samspade2657 Lol, Śrīla Paramgurudev never ever wanted to take over your institution, it was GBC who was constantly attacking Śrīla Paramgurudev, GBC wanted to own Śrīla Paramgurudev, just like GBC did to Śrīla Goura Govinda Svāmi maharāj.
The term Bhakta Bandhav is found in the 10th part of the Hari-bhakti-vilasa, in the section detailing the characteristics of the devotees of the Lord, as spoken by Sri Krsna to Arjuna in the Adi Purana. Sri Krsna says: asmakam bandhava bhakta bhaktanam bandhava vayam asmakam guravo bhakta bhaktanam guravo vayam “I am the dearmost friend (bandhav) of the devotees (bhaktas), and the bhaktas are My dearmost friend (bandhav). I am the guru of the bhaktas, and the bhaktas are the gurus of the world.” Thus we see that the original Bhakta Bandhav is Krsna. He is the Bhakta’s Bandhav, dearmost friend. And in another sense, the Bhakta is the Bandhav or dearmost friend of Krsna. Sources: 1. Adi Purana (mentioned in Sri Caitanya-bhagavat, Madhya-khanda, text 79); 2. Sri Radha-Krsna-sahasra-nama (Thousand Names of Sri Radha-Krsna), text 58; 3. Hari-bhakti-vilasa, 10th Vilasa.
@@amulsutaria7845 the third brahmachari who came with them, is a part time monk, he parties in Miami half of the year, then dresses in saffron for the show.
Srila A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada deviated from Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur in Form but not in Spirit Similarly Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur Prabhupada deviated from Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur in Form but not in Spirit Below are a transcription of a Conversation with Srila Bhakti Rakshak Sridhar Dev-Goswami Maharaj : Our Guru Maharaj Did ; then to the Sanyasi. Swami Maharaj ( A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada ) deviated from that , but I; Though other Godbrothers they Feel something different, I don't Feel so Because he was more Grand range in magnitude and circumstance was also very different than that of India. So this sort of freedom he must have to adjust with the circumstances, given the nature. ..... " Unclear Audio" This Latitude he must, should enjoy. Enjoy means He must found such inspiration from within for greater recommendation. So naming and so many things are different. But we have to see the Spirit within not the outer thing And Prabhupada ( Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur Prabhupada ) also formerly, He seemed to deviate from Bhaktivinode Thakur Bhaktivinode Thakur laid stress on the household life and he was very much afraid of the renounced life. Life of renunciation. .... That may be very grieved and serious and may be reactionary But Prabhupada(Bhaktisiddanhta Saraswati Thakur Srila Prabhupada) , He came with such an organisation. .... He get some chance for what is not generally available. ... That Vaishnava Seva .... Vaishnava association..... Sadhu sanga What is the most indispensable necessity in the life of a Sadhaka.... That is Sadhu Sanga. He made arrangement with Sadhu Sanga available to many. And so He took bold step to collect persons from different stages, To draw them in and give them chance of Divine service under the guidance of a Vaishnava. .... Vaishnava Seva Always hearing, Always engagement And so his deviation from Bhaktivinode Thakur was Amply compensated by other aspects. So that deviation is no deviation in Spirit but in Form Swami Maharaj also had deviation formerly in many cases But the Spirit is intact there . Who have eye to see that, they will embrace them (Iskcon). Otherwise others will murmur That he took the name of Prabhupada, Himself, of his Guru His Guru had reverence for Bhaktivinode Thakur's name And he has given this Vivekananda RamaKrishna Mission. They generally use this Ananda in the Sanyasi..... But our Prabhupada did not , so deviation from Prabhupada All this sort of accusing may come on Swami Maharaj, Deviation from his own Guru. ........ But one who has got eye to see the Spirit within. He won't care for this change in Formality. He will see the inner thing and not the external And one who has got such a High degree of distributing Himself. He must be given by the Higher Authority some Latitude; Magnitude of extending himself in some Original way 🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹
Amazing conversation! Amazing devotees! Thanks for doing this Namarasa!
Jai Srila Prabhupada & Gurudev
I've watched Rasik grow up. He is empowered by HDG Srila Narayana Goswami Maharaja. An amazing devotee!
There should be more healthy discussions about this topics since there are many wrong ideas about Srila BV Narayana Maharaja nowadays that need to be clarified. Srila BV Narayana Gosvami Maharaja has allways been a welwisher of Iskcon and I wish to hear how everything is discussed in detail, this is necessary to avoid Vaisnava aparadha
H.H. Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja performed the samadhi ceremony of Srila Prabhupada on Srila Prabhupada's order. He also made the arrangements for Srila Prabhupada's Sanyasa ceremony like preparing the Sanyasa-Danda (a stick that Sanyasis carry), he prepared the yagya (fire sacrifice), He conducted the ceremony of mantras and grain and ghee offerings into the fire which is required for Sanyasa ceremony, and other things for Srila Prabhupada's Sanyasa at Sri Keshavaji Gaudiya Matha, Mathura, India. Here is a video of H.H Radhanath Maharaja glorifying Srila BV Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: th-cam.com/video/lK5Q9tNCW5A/w-d-xo.html and here is a video of H.H. Amogh Leela Prabhu glorifying Srila BV Narayan Gosvami Maharaja: th-cam.com/video/PDQxEnAW-jg/w-d-xo.html
Find out more about the sweet relationship of Srila BV Narayana Maharaja and Srila Prabhupada here: www.purebhakti.com/teachers/bhakti-discourses/23-discourses-2004/393-in-glorification-of-srila-prabhupada or here: www.purebhakti.com/resources/ebooks-magazines/bhakti-books/english/22-letters-from-america
@@samspade2657SAY ANYTHING WITHOUT ANY PROOF.
Hare Krsna, this is wonderful! In a Secretary letter dated Oct. 24, 1977, from Tamal Krsna to Giriraj , TKG quotes Prabhupada, "Srila Prabhupada said, "No more non cooperation. Now everyone cooperate to spread Lord Caitanya's movement." " This letter is in the Veda base (2019) under Correspondence, Secretary Letters. SP was specifically speaking about ISKCON and the Gaudiya Math. Jai Sri Krsna!
I love the bit about the freedom and the unity in diversity
Amazing, hopeful conversation. Let those bridges be built.
Bridges are meant to be crossed. This is just awesome!
I just binged 4 hours of your podcast Nam! THANK YOU SO MUCH for having these discussions with all these devotees #realtalk
Wow thanks kavi
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You're not wrong .... I sent you something
@@RobElings where did you send it?
@@KDdevidasi FB chat
Yes, we are doing that, and strictly enforcing.
Great discussion on a sensitive and important subject matter!
What a WONDERFUL conversation. Truth is truth. And wherever there is a spark of Krishna Consciousness it must be fanned (ref, Srila Prabhupada) Thank YOU!!
Obeisance 🙏🏼it warms my heart to hear talk of unity and diversity . Srila Bahktisidhanta Sarasvati Thaku Prabhupada wanted all of us to be United . There a couple other of Srila AC Bhaktividanta Swami Prabhupadas . His 150 yr celebration is coming up in 2024. Srila B. Bodhayan Maharaja is trying to spread the word of unity and adversity. I am a disciple of A.C Bhaktividanta Swami Prabhupada 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼. I am going to believe this time to have things over to the second generation. All of you gentlemen are perfect examples of leaders 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I am so greatful for you Namarasa Prabhu, thank you for having these wonderful Prabhus on 🙏🏼 So great to see gaps being FINALLY Bridged.
Haribol!
Love the discussion and appreciate the service attitude of these fine bramacharis! I wish them all blessings in their endeavor! I would love to visit their community when it’s all up and running! Respectfully, I wish to disagree with one point made that the two camps, Srila Narayana Maharaj’s sanga and ISKCON are only different in some cultural practices, like what songs are sung and such. For example Srila Prabhupada established 16 rounds and 4 regs as a base standard for initiation. Srila Prabhupada did not initiate George Harrison, who was obviously very important and sincere but who didn’t chant 16 rounds daily. I have many friends who where initiated without a set standard of 16 rounds or 4 regs by Srila Narayana Maharaja and this contradicts Srila Prabhupada’s standard. Another difference is that the foundation of ISKCON is Srila Prabhupad's books. They stand as the philosophical authority over all other books and preachers within the institution and hearts of Prabhupa’s followers. Nothing is more important in Srila Prabhupad’s mission than his books. I know that this is not the standard within Maharaj’s sanga and such this is a substantial difference between the two camps. So out of the greatest respect for the Srila Narayana Maharaj, his followers and sanga, as I offering my full dandavat pranams to them, I have to dissent on the view that we are all the same but with some slight sadhana differences.
Srila BV Narayana Maharaja also had the requirement of 16 rounds and 4 regs, I can tell because I am his disciple... there is allways some misguided people in all sangas who may say whatever they like... but generally that was the principle. And Srila Gurudeva said “first read Srila Prabhupada’s books, then mine. If you just listen to some opinions you will get misinformed. Try to ger information from bonafide sources. Hare Krishna
Even if this was true, these are not substantial differences. Both are Rupanugas, both are Sri Brahma Madhava Gaudiya Sarasvat Sampradaya. Each acharya may have a special way to preach, that will allways be there, even in Iskcon there are different Gurus who do things in different ways, it is ok as long as we keep the siddhanta intact and understand what is the saddhana and what is the goal ( sadhya ) and don’t get confused by different external differences. The books of Srila Prabhupada are the same books that all Gaudiya Maths follow... Bhagavatam, Upadesamrta, CC, etc and his purports are based on the comentaries of the Vaisnava acharyas like Baladeva Vidyabushan, Vishvanath Chakravarti Thakur, the Gosvamis, etc which are read by all Gaudiya Vaisnavas
Build bridges not walls!! Hari hari!!
Thank you for sharing this Prabhu!
Haribol... 🙏🙏🙏 thank you for this episode
Good luck you guys... Great news.. Jaya Radhe
I am so grateful for these discussions and heart open sharing of spiritual life🙏🙏
Radhe Radhe
Sorry for the delay I am only just catching up on the older ones. Great episode, thank you.
I sincerely hope their center is working, they may inadvertently save ISKCON yet. If we feel more comfortable with others in the Gaudiya Math as our brothers, then maybe being comfortable in the long term with disciples of other ISKCON gurus won't be a bridge too far. I have seen divisions arising then Krsna closes the gap a bit, then it widens again a bit. Srila Prabhupada gave precise instructions that these divisions must not happen, but still they do. If this isn't sorted by the time most of Prabhupada's disciple gurus have left then what chance is there of having one ISKCON moving on. What will the picture look like in another fifty years? We are serving one master, let's try and do it together. Haribol!
Our Srila Gurudeva saved Iskcon when Srila Prabhupada ‘s son wanted to take over all the property of Iskcon
@@samspade2657 what proof do you have? he never did that. he was in his own institution always.
@@samspade2657 he only helped the disciples of srila prabhupad who were lost in bhakti. but the problem is people don't understand the difference between diksha guru and siksa guru
@@samspade2657 Lol, Śrīla Paramgurudev never ever wanted to take over your institution, it was GBC who was constantly attacking Śrīla Paramgurudev, GBC wanted to own Śrīla Paramgurudev, just like GBC did to Śrīla Goura Govinda Svāmi maharāj.
Great thanks ! I feel so happy ! Ys Mandira dd Radhadesh Belgium
Wonderful session...vasudeva kudumbakam is important. Thanks Nam.
Thank You all! that was so heartwarming to hear :) happy Vaishnavas can talk like this and respect each other. This is great example.
Jay Jagannath Swami! My feelings confirmed. 🙏🏼💚🍀📿
What a wonderful conversation! You should probably have RasikaNanda Swami again on your podcast.
I did! Check my TH-cam shorts…
Great podcast!
Haribol
hari bol.....🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏. love from Bangladesh.
17:23 No trailer link in the description
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1:38:21 can someone please share the shlokas!!!🙏🙏🙏
The term Bhakta Bandhav is found in the 10th part of the Hari-bhakti-vilasa, in the section detailing the characteristics of the devotees of the Lord, as spoken by Sri Krsna to Arjuna in the Adi Purana. Sri Krsna says:
asmakam bandhava bhakta bhaktanam bandhava vayam
asmakam guravo bhakta bhaktanam guravo vayam
“I am the dearmost friend (bandhav) of the devotees (bhaktas), and the bhaktas are My dearmost friend (bandhav). I am the guru of the bhaktas, and the bhaktas are the gurus of the world.”
Thus we see that the original Bhakta Bandhav is Krsna. He is the Bhakta’s Bandhav, dearmost friend. And in another sense, the Bhakta is the Bandhav or dearmost friend of Krsna.
Sources: 1. Adi Purana (mentioned in Sri Caitanya-bhagavat, Madhya-khanda, text 79); 2. Sri Radha-Krsna-sahasra-nama (Thousand Names of Sri Radha-Krsna), text 58; 3. Hari-bhakti-vilasa, 10th Vilasa.
I think bad association....schools...etc ruins kids
very sad my comments have been removed.
we havent removed any comments.
@@জীবেরস্বরূপহয়কৃষ্ণেরনিত্যদাস homosexuals are celebrated in vedas you stupid and there is trnsgender teme also you idiot
Ohh!!
Why have you two gone back? Unfortunates like me will never get a chance to met pure bhaktas like you.
My dandavat pranam.
Kethuri Gram !
If Bhakta Bhandhava and NYC harinama joined forces. Pick them up at the park, send them to the farm to train up! Then back to city to preach. Lol
Who's chanting there at the back?
A third brahmachari who came with them.
@@amulsutaria7845 the third brahmachari who came with them, is a part time monk, he parties in Miami half of the year, then dresses in saffron for the show.
Srila A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada deviated from Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur in Form but not in Spirit
Similarly Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur Prabhupada deviated from Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur in Form but not in Spirit
Below are a transcription of a Conversation with Srila Bhakti Rakshak Sridhar Dev-Goswami Maharaj :
Our Guru Maharaj Did ; then to the Sanyasi. Swami Maharaj ( A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada ) deviated from that , but I; Though other Godbrothers they Feel something different, I don't Feel so
Because he was more Grand range in magnitude and circumstance was also very different than that of India. So this sort of freedom he must have to adjust with the circumstances, given the nature. ..... " Unclear Audio"
This Latitude he must, should enjoy.
Enjoy means He must found such inspiration from within for greater recommendation. So naming and so many things are different. But we have to see the Spirit within not the outer thing
And Prabhupada ( Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur Prabhupada ) also formerly, He seemed to deviate from Bhaktivinode Thakur
Bhaktivinode Thakur laid stress on the household life and he was very much afraid of the renounced life. Life of renunciation. .... That may be very grieved and serious and may be reactionary
But Prabhupada(Bhaktisiddanhta Saraswati Thakur Srila Prabhupada) , He came with such an organisation. .... He get some chance for what is not generally available. ... That Vaishnava Seva .... Vaishnava association..... Sadhu sanga
What is the most indispensable necessity in the life of a Sadhaka.... That is Sadhu Sanga. He made arrangement with Sadhu Sanga available to many. And so He took bold step to collect persons from different stages, To draw them in and give them chance of Divine service under the guidance of a Vaishnava. .... Vaishnava Seva
Always hearing, Always engagement
And so his deviation from Bhaktivinode Thakur was Amply compensated by other aspects. So that deviation is no deviation in Spirit but in Form
Swami Maharaj also had deviation formerly in many cases But the Spirit is intact there . Who have eye to see that, they will embrace them (Iskcon).
Otherwise others will murmur That he took the name of Prabhupada, Himself, of his Guru
His Guru had reverence for Bhaktivinode Thakur's name And he has given this Vivekananda RamaKrishna Mission. They generally use this Ananda in the Sanyasi..... But our Prabhupada did not , so deviation from Prabhupada
All this sort of accusing may come on Swami Maharaj, Deviation from his own Guru. ........ But one who has got eye to see the Spirit within. He won't care for this change in Formality. He will see the inner thing and not the external
And one who has got such a High degree of distributing Himself. He must be given by the Higher Authority some Latitude; Magnitude of extending himself in some Original way
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