Also, RIP to the very last TIE Interceptor pilot trying to escape the Death Star II reactor tunnel behind the Millennium Falcon during the Battle of Endor
What’s even more sad is that the interceptor was fast enough to outrun the explosion but the falcon was much slower and simply in the way which cost the pilot his life.
It was dangerous only in germany because of unskilled pilots and weather problems actually in the rest of the world he did pretty well so dont hate this beautiful plane.
Actually that's because the German Airforce tried making it an All role Fighter. It's a High Altitude Interceptor only for a reason. It doesn't have the manoveurability to properly fight in low altitude as it relies on speed, which means it is very easy to slam into things.
Yes, because making a planet go boom is the only way to, blockades (with interdictors) and ground invasion with overwhelming forces are obviously overrated, the Clones Wars era and the battle of Hoth clearly demonstrated this
They should have upgraded the shielding and turbo lasers on the Venator and used them, along with advanced star fighters, such as tri-droids or tie defenders. The empire always used a carrier based doctrine anyways and good star fighters would more efficient dealing with pirates and rebells.
I think the biggest flaw with the Tiefighter, is that it sounds like screaming constantly, it’s not exactly the stealthiest ship for anyone within 5 miles, even if it is iconic
I think that might be a deliberate in-joke. In Star Wars Rebels, the TIE Fighter hexagonal fins are the wrong size in relation to the rest of the vehicle. But the dimensions used precisely mimics that of the old TIE Fighter Kenner action figure toy of which you speak, which was notorious in its day for having botched the dimensions. This stood out more at the time because in the early years of Star Wars fandom, the TIE Fighter was elusive and mysterious. There were no scale model kits or blueprints of it, the Kenner action figure toy was all there was. The only TIE Fighter kits released during the original trilogy years through to the mid-late 1990's were the Darth Vader variant and the Interceptor variant. So, the Kenner toy was the only opportunity to have a model of a TIE Fighter and it was wrong (and therefore not worth buying to use as a model rather than a toy). In the original film, you rarely got a good clear look at one, let alone saw one clearly from multiple angles. There were very few photographs of them available in books and magazines at the time, and those few pictures were all from the front and not the rear. I remember trying to blueprint it from memory while visiting the theatre weekly during the original run of Star Wars. Until Empire Strikes Back, I wasn't even sure what one looked like from behind (and even then, the impression was vague and lacking fine detail). No home video to pause back then (not that would have helped much before the invention of UHD TV and BD). I settled for drawing blueprints (I wish I still had those, they were surprisingly close to the mark considering the conditions under which they were created), my cousin built his best guess at what they looked like out of paper (he could build models out of sheet paper that looked as detailed as plastic kits - he even did a Millennium Falcon in sheet paper that rivalled the original filming model for size and detail). So, when I see Star Wars Rebels, I am reminded of how disappointing the Kenner TIE Fighter was and feel a cringe because of that history. I would rather they had not done it that way, but used the correct dimensions instead.
I don't think that the TIE Fighter would go into uncontrollable spins and rip itself apart in atmospheric conditions. I think the bigger issue with its aerodynamic design would be that it couldn't go roll if its life depended on it. I think this was something that was brought up quite frequently in the old Legends books and that Rebel pilots took advantage of quite often. I do believe that dogfights with skilled TIE Interceptor pilots in atmosphere was highly discouraged for most pilots.
It seems that the TIE fighters weren't designed with atmospheric flight in mind. You don't need to think about aerodynamics much if your designing a vehicle that would spend most of it's time in a vacuum.
Random Typer002 not a fan of the defenders triwing design but I respect the ships function and I really like the hunter and I wish it got more exposure
Great analysis on the TIE fighter! I have a few ideas regarding flaws and how to fix them, namely: * Give them one proton torpedo or missile launcher; * Give them the pilot/gunner configuration of the TIE/sf that the First Order uses (come on, they had a similar configuration to both the Y-wing and ARC-170, shouldn't be that hard to add to a TIE back in the Imperial era); * Give them quick-detach hyperdrive rings like the Eta-2 Actis did, and you'd have a much more effective fighter if you ask me ;)
Imagine Star Wars with Hyper drive enabled missiles. Whole fleet just sittin in space chillen when all the sudden a rain of missiles pops out of no where
About the Zero. It was designed the way it was because they were trying to meet the tough requirements the military had placed. To give it the range and speed required they gave up all defensive measures and even some controls such as it had no hydralic control surfaces so it was all on the pilot's strength.
Very true, but why did they need to do that when the allies didn't? Because, as they said in the video, the Japanese were limited in engine technology. In part as well because of their limited ability to produce high octane aircraft fuel for more advanced engines.
This was the case with most WWII Japanese warplanes. The B5N "Betty" bomber was called the "Ronson" by Allied pilots after the Ronson cigarette lighter.
Tie fighters are so cool to look at but i think you could have made this list 20 long and still been able to keep going. Standard Tie fighters should have been phased out and replaced with the Tie Advance then equipped with at proton launcher or ion cannon. I think this is my favorite of the series so far. Now lets hear Tarkin doctrine's flaws
One of the main reasons as to why the Advanced wasn't used to phase out the TIE Fighter, was because the Interceptor was already doing that before Return of the Jedi. That being said, the reasoning behind why the Advanced didn't become the primary fighter of the Empire, which was on many levels more capable than anything they had before the Defender, was cost. Palpatine saw those who served him as expendable, which is why the TIE series was made on the cheap, with no hyperdrive or shields, so they could be easy to mass produce and even easier to replace.
I think the Empire should've scrapped the idea of the Death Star and dreadnoughts altogether, and instead used the credits they'd save on better starfighters. After all, if their goal was peacekeeping, not building a Death Star would prevent a lot of people from getting angry, and using those saved credits on better starfighters would deter small rebellions and pirates in the first place. After all, the Rebellion used Starfighters very heavily. If the Empire had stopped with the massive capital ships and super-weapons, and instead made better starfighters, they would have had the upper hand in the Galactic Civil War. Instead, they put massive amounts of resources, manpower, and credits into large, easily destroyed projects. Pitiful. The Tarkin doctrine can only go so far. Projecting fear to deter an enemy isn't as effective as showing an enemy *why* they should fear.
The Metroid Thumper They should have at least made a better TIE that at least had shields, better speed, and visibility, and they could definitely afford this if they scraped they've useless, fragile weapon projects.
The TIE Fighter can trace its roots directly to the ETA-2 Actis Interceptor, which was designed for Force Sensitive pilots, which I think might have been a design flaw carried over to the TIE
Ten flaws with the rebel pilot. Here's one, they have ZERO protection if their ship decompresses in space. or if they get blown out of the ship in space. They should have a sealed suit with a sealed helmet with an oxygen tank.
If you read the legends X-Wing series, a rebel pilot's flight suit did give them limited protection in case they had to eject in space. They had to be rescued within a short time, but it was still better than nothing.
They should've used a suit similar to the pressure suits worn by U2 pilots in our world. If the cabin de-pressurized all the pilot would have to do is flip down his/her visor.
Which is odd since he's among the famous Germans of WWII who is traditionally not associated with the Nazi party or post-war Nazi sympathizers. But yeah, it does sound a lot like Eric Cartman from Southpark.
Some very good points raised by the video. The TIE Interceptor was introduced as a replacement for the Ln, but still suffered from many issues listed here. The advantages of speed, maneuverability, a better built frame and most versions having four lasers instead of two were huge gains, but it was still a fragile fighter craft that had an even worse viewport obscuring because of the inward pointed shape of the wings. In response the TIE Defender and TIE Hunter were effective ships that addressed nearly all of the issues of their predecessors but at the disadvantages of being costly to produce and being made later into the war when the Rebellion was becoming more and more threatening. Their small number of craft ultimately did make a difference but were much too late to the field and there just weren't enough of them.
I was watching your Empire vs Earth and the Separatists vs Earth, and I thought it would be cool if you could do something like the First Order vs Earth or what would happen if the Republic found Earth and what would happen, how would everything change, etc.
1) fuel slug placed towards aft exposing it to enemy fire when shields fail. 2) rely on easily damaged and exposed astromechs for hyperspace calculations and onboard repair 3) canopy gives zero visual field to pilot of underside of craft 4) extended nose come reduces pilot visual field 5) pilots use open helmets making the included ejection system of dubious utility 6) outdated targeting computers compared to modular and easily updated avionics and electronics of TIE series. 7) HUGE laser cannons are spread out far from center of craft meaning increased chance to miss small or close targets 8) proton torpedoes housed under cockpit providing unnecessary danger to pilot in the event of malfunction or hit to munitions. 9) huge profile for enemies to target from above or below. 10) dubious S-foil mechanism that appears to give no advantage in battle other than slightly realigning engines
How would I fix/replace the tie fighter? Well for a start the ties have to be cheep, expendable and manuverable. It also has to be able to counter enemy bombers. B-wings and Y-wings. Any fighter that can not threaten a capitol ship is not a threat at all. Any thing built in the Ties place has to be able to meet these requirements. 1) Re-align the wings. The Tie striker got the right of it. 2) DROID FIGHTER. This is the single biggest thing I would do to fix the Tie and its glaring weaknesses. Strip out the cockpit and slap in a slimed down armored compartment with a droid brain in it. Give it a wireless swarm AI so all of the fighters in the squadron can comunicate to swarm and overwhealm their opponent. Give it a Black box recording device and upload its mission logs after every engagement. Mash all this data up in a huristic learning computer and use it to program and patch your fighters droid brain. That way ever single one of them has thousands of engagements worth of experience to work from. 3) So you dont want to go with shields? fine. Make as many of the components modular and easy to replace in the feild. That way they are easily built, repaired, servaced and upgraded. Take some of the weight you saved from not having a pilot and slather on ablative armor on your critical systems. 4) Give the fighter cameras that allow the ship to see in all directions 5) Fire power. Mount the two guns on a chin turret. This way its better at straffing as well as keeping a beed on your target whilst you bob and weave. You can also use it to fire behind you. Make better use of the guns you already have. 6)Maor firepower. Give it a target designator so it can call in missile strikes and turbo laser barrages. That way it gets more firepower and your bombers can stand off at long range without putting themselves at risk. 7) No hyperdrive? no problem. Mount the fighter to the outside of capitol ships so you carry leads more of them and can launch them faster (see Vulture droid). Give them a hyperspace beacon launcher so you can track those escaping rebel ships back to their bases and Smash Them ALLL!!!!!!!!!!!
Why would a droid need cameras? It would probably be harder for it to use them than for a human. It just needs sensors that can detect enemy and ally ships that also can be located inside the droid, so they don't get exposted that much.
@Ruy Sometimes there is just too much jamming and counter jamming to rely on sensors. You would want optical sensors (cameras) to compensate for this. Small hardened photo receptors like the ones on droidekas would do for the most part; particualy if you make them fish eye panoramic sensors that can see in infra red. These give you your 360 vision for your close knife fights. You then pair that up with a gun sight camera and laser range finder on your turret. At distance vision can be done with one or two forward facing telescopic cameras. By networking the droids together you can make it so they can cover for each others blind spots. @TNSN The Droid Tie was a step in the right direction. However it cos made it viable as a swarm fighter only when paired with the Word Devistators. I also feel that it did not do enough to adress some of what I see as the fundemental flaws of the Tie series.
I really like this 10 flaws idea. Maybe next, 10 Flaws with the Rule of Two or Jedi/Sith doctrine? If we're more going for hardware there's; Lightsabers, Blaster Weapons, Imperial Ground Vehicles, or the concept of the Death Star.
A fantastic ship, they just skimped out of some useful features like hyperdrives and shields. When we see the later version such as the interceptors or the defenders things get really scary. Even the old Advanced prototypes are really impressive.
1. Two highly exposed bridges. 2. Large hangar bay doors were required to open so that fighters could be launched effectively, making the ship extremely vulnerable. 3. The ship was extremely underarmed, especially for what the ship was used for, having to go up against ship that were armed with almost 5x as much cannons. 4. Venators carried ships which were equipped with hyperdrives, making the ship useless as a carrier for the most part. 5. The ship was most of the time crewed by clones, they handled menial duties such as maintenance, making an expensive crew. 6. The amount of ships carried by a Venator were was almost always outnumbered by CIS starfighters, which were also much faster and cheaper.
I will point out that ECM can make lasers ver off course, it's one reason they do end up fight so close, the standard laser cannons used by TIE Fighters have a range of around 20 miles. The were constantly updated and the 7.2 and more powerful exist and can kill cap ships. The sensors used on both sides fighters are 3d 360 tachyons, ftl electroscopes that see in all spectrums and can see energy emissions. They have energy detectors, radiation, gravity, life form and personal identification systems, and some carry laser targeting and doppler radar. I feel the cockpit is a neutral issue as it also prevents a pilot from being easily killed, pilots in real life are trained to aim for the pilot seat in dogfights, and believe it or not, the hull is just as strong as the X-Wings hull. They also can see through the hull with there helmet mounted displays as long as ecm doesn't interfere with it. It wasn't the design that held back the TIE Fighter at Yavin, TIEs are pretty much equal to the X-Wing overall. At Yavin only 9 TIEs fought the 30 plus Rebel fighters, 2-3 TIEs survived Yavin, one Y-Wing survived, one Arrow Head Survived, and 3 X-Wings. The KDR was way higher for the Enpire, what caused them to lose was Tarken as the Death Star has way more than 9 TIE Fighters that they could have used.
TIEs were more than a match for the X-wing in 1v1...*cant die if u dont get hit* mentality a TIE can run circles around an X-wing the X-wing had armament and durability over all normal TIE fighters but a TIE/In with shields becomes a much much harder fight as its heavier lazer cannons(same used on the defender) can rip through the rebels craft. As seen when skerris rekt the X wings and the bit about a hyperdrive...hows it gonna help if the targets not tracked??? If they were used for hit n run tatics sure but you need to know the target area in the first place to risk it sending fighter there.
Thanks Allen enjoyed the breakdown of the T-Fighter. Course it would have been funny for an Admiral to ask his Fighter commander. What do you need to defeat these rebels? The Fighter commander saying, "A squadron of X-Wings sir."
The TIE Defender fixes pretty much all the flaws in the standard TIE, and with the money they wasted on the Death Star the Empire could have outfitted the entire navy with them.
“Cosmetic” “I’m not a rocket surgeon” Real talk, I agree with you on most of your points, excluding the ‘explosives’ in the wings, b/c the depiction of scuttling the TIEs makes the anti-theft device look like some form of electromagnetic energy discharge. If the physics of the Star Wars universe are analogous to our own, then a local high-amperage EM discharge at the wing attachment points could definitely convert the durasteel(idk exactly what the metal the use for the TIE fighters is called) to plasma, which would produce the (to the naked eye) cleanly sheared sections
The simplest answer to why they put so much time and energy into finding skilled pilots was that the emperor understood that if he could find the best pilots and indoctrinate them it was less likely they would become useful to his enemies.
There are flaws with the ARC - 170: 1. It has a large crew. You need a lot of man power. Also you crew needs internal cooperation, which causes delay, that could be the diffrence between life or death. 2. It has large profile, making it an easy target for star fighters. Also it takes a lot of space in a hangar.
Hey guys, I had a thought. So the wings create a huge sensor profile for enemy ships right? What if that is intended? Consider this: The Imperial navy relied on large ships over small fighters to win the day. The fighters acted as a screen against other small fighters from getting to the big ships. Having a large sensor profile could be beneficial in a few ways for the general military strategy of this kind of combat. 1) Psychological warfare - Picture it: You're in a rebel cruiser with a few x-wings and maybe a pair of a-wings on board for fighter defense. Suddenly a Star Destroyer comes out of hyperspace in front of you and starts throwing wave after wave of tie fighters. You look at your scanner filling with obscene amouts of contact blips. That's enough to rattle anyone. 2) False Holes - If you position your tie fighters right, you could fake weaknesses in your defensive line. Trick an enemy ship into moving into broadside range. Quoth the Sun Tzu; "War is deception". 3) Better them than us - Maybe so many sensor profiles would confuse a seeker torpedo. Better some coffin jockey take the hit than the Star Destroyer.
Generation Tech please make a theory video or what you think will change or what will he look loke if that happened about what if obi wan kenobi left the jedi order to be with Duchess Satine after his padawan mission to protect her.
All valid points but in canon many of the top pilots, e.g. Rae Sloane and Iden Versio, love the design of the TIE fighters and love to fly them. It is clear that as far as they are concerned the TIE fighter is the best of the best and they wouldn't want to fight in anything else.
I agree TIEs were outdated, but the F-15 is over 45 years old and are still the gold standard of air superiority fighters. The F-22 is 12 years old, for instance.
1:39 I like the mention of Erich Hartmann. Very few people know about him. I have a special interest in WW2, especially the aircraft of all sides and their pilots.
I wonder what happened to all of the stray lasers that were shot in the dog fights of the ties and rebels or even in the clone wars when they missed, did they just hit random ships or planets or are they still going and just haven’t hit anything?
Alan, you brought up 10 very valid points but in a 1 on 1 dogfight, the TIE fighter has 50. As in for every 1 TIE you fight, 49 are soon to join in. As you pointed out quantity has a quality of its own.
A couple points: 1: It is entirely possible, given the level of technology, that TIE fighter pilots had in helmet HUDs. They wouldn't need to see out, as the helmet could display all the info they need. IE: the TIE pilot looks to the right at his bulkhead, and sees targets and ships, not the bulkhead, thanks to his advamced HUD. We are doing it now with fighter helmets. 2/3: The Empire is about absolute control. I would see this extending to their pilots. What better way to ensure your pilots stay loyal, then to make them dependant on the ship for long range travel, and survival? The ship dies, you die. You stray to far, you die. This prevents deserters, and ensures the maximum combat effort on the parts of the pilots. 4: the TIE in atmosphere. Given the shape, while not ideal, so long as you continue forward, it wouldn't cause to much issue, given the level of anti-grav, repulser, and inertial damper tech. The forward facing profile is actually fairly sleek. The panels are large, and would cause some drag, but I believe it could fly in atmosphere, just not to the speed it can achieve in space. 5: Sensor profile: seeing as the TIE fighters are short range interceptors, their sensor images would be dwarfed by the capitol ships they are near, so being seen, or not, is not an issue by this point. This could also be advantageous, seeing as they are so near their own ships. Combine a large sensor readout, with an IFF signal, and the Empire's capital ships could, in theory, easily miss their own ships. A sort of electronic interrupter gear, if you will. On a side note, this very sensor readout could, potentially, be used against the enemy. A swarm of TIE fighters, clustered close together, could appear to be a lone, much larger, ship. There was a mission in Vietnam to use a nearly identical tactic, switching F-105 Thunderchiefs, for F-4 Phantoms. 6: lack of shielding. While shielding is good, it also increases weight and cost. A much cheaper, but equal alternative, is armour. Now, I know the TIE fighter lacks armour, however, minimal amounts, to protect against debris, is easily done. Our own space fairing vessels are well protected against debris now. Is it such a jump to assume the Empire has developed a light weight, cheap alloy to prevent micro meteoriods from penetrating the compartment in flight? 7: armourment: Giving the TIE fighters simple laser cannons, beyond the cost, ensures a couple things: 1: they cannot damage Rebel capitol ships, but can remove point defense cannons, leaving, potentially, a crew to interrogate. 2: the weapons cannot be turned on the Empire's own capitol ships. If a TIE fighter is captured, the Rebels (or defectors), cannot turn around, and use it against the Empire effectively, where as the X-Wing, if captured by the Empire, could be sent out in a mission, the crews undercover as Rebels, to eliminate a Rebel fleet. This would sow discontent within the Rebel Alliance, and lead to strained relations. I think this covers everything. Thank you for reading! I hope you enjoyed! As always, the video was great, but I thought it would be fun to make a counter point list.
hey generation tech, I made my own fighter. The f 54 air/space superiority fighter, produced by a faction I made. The f 54 is based off of the modern f 35 and made out of a nanotech moded plasteel composite, allowing it to effectively block things up to small flak without shielding. With a mk 3 heavy shield generator it can successfully take dozens of octuple turbo laser hits without much damage. it's maneuverability is much better than a tie. max speed is 1,200 mph, turn speed at 600 mph. No big panels on the sides. It has a type 0 warpdrive allowing for cross galaxy travel in hours. Main armament are 4 c-96 laser canons. capable of destroying a shielded fighter in 2 shots. Secondary armament are 12 aksis fire and forget missiles. common tactic with these are to fire 8 at fighters and the rest at capital ships. Thanks to replication tech, it can be produced very fast, efficiently and with almost no cost. to anyone reading this, if you have questions, I am willing to answer them when I can.
That was my main issue with Star Wars, when it came to the Empire's military, they never made any adjustments, I mean for almost twenty years the main ships the dealt with were fighter to falcon size freighters, and yet their fleet equipped to deal with every ship but fighters and falcon sized freighters. If nothing else after the destruction of the first death star you would expect to find a massive retrofitting of point defense weapons onto SDs, but nope, nothing. As I said in theSD flaw video, this would have been like following the attack on Pearl Harbor the USA decommissioning it's aircraft carriers and instead building an even larger battleship fleet, made of of even larger, slower battleships, but stripped of the AA guns to allow more large anti-capital ship weaponry and sending them out to battle the Japanese fleet of carrier task forces.
Having read plenty of Canon sources, in-atmosphere use of the TIE fighter (by skilled pilots) is usually accompanied with appreciation on it's agility.
Correction on the sidewinder fact in the beginning, most AIM-9 Sidewinder variants use passive-infrared sensors to detect the targeted aircraft, infrared passes through fog, clouds and such and is not influenced by darkness meaning that they can in fact be used without visibility. Now one might think that the hostile aircraft couldn't be targeted in the first place, though targeting works via multiple different systems, which determine identity, location, speed and such without needing any visibility at all. Though I agree on his point anyway, that in a dogfight visibility is quite necessary. And yes I am fun at parties, just wanted to share some knowledge for those who want it.
i cant believe i say this but you are wrong in nearly evry way... the ONLY REAL FLAW is the lack of deflector shields... evrything else you have mentioned doesnt support its purpose and just costs billions of credits the empire could use for important things... the imperial navy isnt built for battleing a "real" war against some big faction that actually can deploy a fleet like the rebel alliance.... it is to show presence, fighting pirates and do peace keeping missions and for all that an star destroyer and it's 72 TIE's is more than enough, not to say overkill... the TIE isnt supposed to be better in 1vs1, its supposed to easy overwhelm the few pirate fighters and evrything bigger than fiighters will be handled by the star destroyer itself! doesnt need better armament -> star destroyer support doesnt need hyperdrive -> SD transport doesnt need life support -> suits(better pilot protection in case of dmg) doesnt need rear view -> sensors/71 wingmen/ and im sure they got some kind of target lock alarm... only flaw as said in my opinion fot its purpose.... deflector shields...
but i mean its litterally deployed to fight agianst enemy fighters which are still better equipped than them...you want good armorment, hyperdrive would allow better range for better engagements, life support is key to surviving, and even in todays most modern fighters, rear view is still a thing and they are taught to not only rely on radar and such but also to rely on their own two eyes...hes right about the star destoyer support though, they would be better off having their own guns with fighters out at a longer range similar to how it works in real life and has for the past 100 or so years
TIEs are fielded by capital ships and large space installations, resources that usually carry long range weapons. TIEs can get by with short range weapons for close, accurate shots. TIE Bombers could conceivably carry long range weapons if needed. Also for lack of defensive shielding, please refer to the sentry TIEs attacking the Falcon in ANH, they do show signs of laser hits on shielding, just as we see when hits are scored on the Falcon itself. Either these are the only TIEs in the galaxy so equipped or SHIELDLESS TIES ARE REBEL PROPAGANDA!!! TIEs may have lesser shielding when compared to more expensive and wasteful ships but they do have deflector shielding of some kind.
Yeah, I was kinda surprised by some of his reasoning too. Suggesting to slap a Proton Torpedo launcher on a TIE fighter is kinda like equipping a standard infantry soldier with an AGM65 Maverick missile - I'm sure said soldier is gladly going to use a weapon that is 2.5 m in length and weighs 300 kg even without its launching and targeting system...
As true as a lack of hyperdrive being a flaw is true, the difficulty in following a ship through hyperdrive means that outside there being major faults in the target you can't really expect to catch them after that point. Truthfully I don't think a lack of hyperdrive would of been too critical a failing if certain conditions were met. 1. The fleet acting must have enough reserve capacity that if a single carrying ship (ie star destroyer) is lost other ships in the fleet can recover all fighters (or just recover pilots since Ties are cheap) 2. You need a second type of fighter equipped to handle the long range missions. In canon the tie advanced or the tie defender could do this and at least in legends the defender also carried missiles 3. As a result of the first point star destroyers should not act alone
I think that a MAJOR flaw is the lack of life-support systems, meaning that you die of suffocation if your suit malfunctions or you are left stranded on space by your mothership. However, the T-65 X Wing open helmet is also a FLAW, because any breach on the cockpit can kill you very quick. That is the reason why Gundam pilots use Normal Suits. Except Char, but everybody in-universe thinks that he is insanely badass for THAT.
@GenerationTech your wrong here is why: 1) the zero out performed us planes. Its main issue was its climbing speed an angle. This was used against the zero to inflict mass casualties later on in the war. It was hardly an unfair fight from either perspective of the war.
There is one thing about the Tie Fighter everyone seems to forget: they need sunlight. You wouldn't be able to fly in the shade, at least not for long. For example the trench run on the death star in Episode IV. Based on the size of the Tie Fighter each solar panel has a maximum size of 50m². Depending on the distance to the sun you only get a few kW of power, on earth for example you get 1kW per m². This is not much and it assumes that the panel is always facing the sun. Given that Star Wars plays in the same universe and is subject to the same physical laws as we do, it would not be possible to build a working Tie Fighter even with advanced technology. It just looks cool and the sound is great
You know, you should actually make a 10 Advantages video on the TIE Defender. I would really like to see that. Thanks for listening, your friend and fan, Shock Trooper T.V.
TIEs are just perfect for their purpose, cheap, efficient, fast. The issue is the lack of imperial support ships. ISDs are not able to protect a TIE squadron against mid sized ships. Also the small numbers of TIEs often made me wonder. There should be a million fighters protecting a Death Star, not like ten.
The TIE Defenders in Star Wars Rebels addressed some of these problems. They were equipped with deflector shields and hyperdrives and seemed to be generally more powerful offensively as it had various torpedo weapons on board. Had the empire taken the time to develop the Defender and replace the standard model with them, that could've saved them a lot of trouble.
In the chapter on deployment, you suggested that star destroyers would be better served by point defense weapons. WW2 experience showed that was not the case, as illustrated by the sinking of the Prince of Wales and Repulse, as well as the Japanese battleships Yamato and Musashi. In all four of the mentioned cases, the battleships were bristling with anti-aircraft guns (i.e. point defense cannons) but were sunk anyway, with minimal loss of aircraft. Since Star Wars combat is based on WW2 combat, and since point defense weapons were only one step short of useless in WW2, it makes sense in universe why imperial designers would favor a combat air patrol (fighters) over point defense weapons.
Also, RIP to the very last TIE Interceptor pilot trying to escape the Death Star II reactor tunnel behind the Millennium Falcon during the Battle of Endor
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Our prayers will be with him
What’s even more sad is that the interceptor was fast enough to outrun the explosion but the falcon was much slower and simply in the way which cost the pilot his life.
I hate it when that happens
@@rhymenoceros3303 that pilot was a pussy and could have sqeezed the gap and lived
Highly skilled pilots, flying coffins,
Let me introduce you to my friend the F-104 Starfighter
how about the junk fights aka parts of starfighters combined into a junkie ship
It was dangerous only in germany because of unskilled pilots and weather problems actually in the rest of the world he did pretty well so dont hate this beautiful plane.
Actually that's because the German Airforce tried making it an All role Fighter.
It's a High Altitude Interceptor only for a reason. It doesn't have the manoveurability to properly fight in low altitude as it relies on speed, which means it is very easy to slam into things.
The Starfighter howls like the Tie fighter screams.
If the empire didn't make the two death stars they could have refitted their entire tie fighter forces with Tie Defenders.
And then never take out various Rebel planets with Planetary shields.
@@lancer737 well if they had effective forces the rebellion would never spread.
Yes, because making a planet go boom is the only way to, blockades (with interdictors) and ground invasion with overwhelming forces are obviously overrated, the Clones Wars era and the battle of Hoth clearly demonstrated this
@@scorpixel1866 You forgot the shields make that impossible and Ultra Grade planetary cannons will shred ships really easily.
They should have upgraded the shielding and turbo lasers on the Venator and used them, along with advanced star fighters, such as tri-droids or tie defenders. The empire always used a carrier based doctrine anyways and good star fighters would more efficient dealing with pirates and rebells.
So to sum this up, TIE Fighters are not Dolphin Proof.
Bingo
Not Dolphin-Safe*.
Gotta watch out for those evil dolphins. They'll eat your food and kill your pilots.
Holy Mackerel!!!! Lol
That was their biggest flaw
Nope. They would have to start making them out of Tuna Nets.
I think the biggest flaw with the Tiefighter, is that it sounds like screaming constantly, it’s not exactly the stealthiest ship for anyone within 5 miles, even if it is iconic
Spave tho
despite the misspelling, yes, the scream shouldn’t be a problem when the fighter is in spave
Psychological warfare like the Stuka in WW2
well in space none of these ships should be making noise . but we're playing by the movies rules -MatPat
Came for the TIE, got bonus WWII aircraft stuff. Well done guys
How This happen? productions yep!
it is my obligation to not like this comment to keep the 69
it's a ball turret from a B-17 with two screen doors slapped on the side. How's that for WWII bonus stuff?
hehe :)
You aware that it's "Jagd" not "Jadg" right?
I think it's funny that the "Anti-Theft Mechanism" is like the old TIE Fighter toy's detachable wings.
I think that might be a deliberate in-joke.
In Star Wars Rebels, the TIE Fighter hexagonal fins are the wrong size in relation to the rest of the vehicle.
But the dimensions used precisely mimics that of the old TIE Fighter Kenner action figure toy of which you speak, which was notorious in its day for having botched the dimensions.
This stood out more at the time because in the early years of Star Wars fandom, the TIE Fighter was elusive and mysterious. There were no scale model kits or blueprints of it, the Kenner action figure toy was all there was. The only TIE Fighter kits released during the original trilogy years through to the mid-late 1990's were the Darth Vader variant and the Interceptor variant. So, the Kenner toy was the only opportunity to have a model of a TIE Fighter and it was wrong (and therefore not worth buying to use as a model rather than a toy).
In the original film, you rarely got a good clear look at one, let alone saw one clearly from multiple angles. There were very few photographs of them available in books and magazines at the time, and those few pictures were all from the front and not the rear.
I remember trying to blueprint it from memory while visiting the theatre weekly during the original run of Star Wars. Until Empire Strikes Back, I wasn't even sure what one looked like from behind (and even then, the impression was vague and lacking fine detail). No home video to pause back then (not that would have helped much before the invention of UHD TV and BD).
I settled for drawing blueprints (I wish I still had those, they were surprisingly close to the mark considering the conditions under which they were created), my cousin built his best guess at what they looked like out of paper (he could build models out of sheet paper that looked as detailed as plastic kits - he even did a Millennium Falcon in sheet paper that rivalled the original filming model for size and detail).
So, when I see Star Wars Rebels, I am reminded of how disappointing the Kenner TIE Fighter was and feel a cringe because of that history. I would rather they had not done it that way, but used the correct dimensions instead.
10 flaws with the tarkin doctrine
There is only one flaw with the Tarkin Doctrine: the Tarkin Doctrine. It is one big flaw lol.
1. It can never work on that big of a scale.
10. They kept going with it, even after Tarken was dead and his doctrine had been spectacularly disproved.
2. They were fighting fast guerilla rebels using large immobile expensive weapons systems (with no point defenses)
you read our minds
I don't think that the TIE Fighter would go into uncontrollable spins and rip itself apart in atmospheric conditions. I think the bigger issue with its aerodynamic design would be that it couldn't go roll if its life depended on it. I think this was something that was brought up quite frequently in the old Legends books and that Rebel pilots took advantage of quite often. I do believe that dogfights with skilled TIE Interceptor pilots in atmosphere was highly discouraged for most pilots.
How about the fact that without movie magic it wouldn't be able to fly?
@@elementalist1984 I mean hypothetically it would
It seems that the TIE fighters weren't designed with atmospheric flight in mind. You don't need to think about aerodynamics much if your designing a vehicle that would spend most of it's time in a vacuum.
I’ve always preferred the interceptor honestly
Don't forget the TIE Defender or the TIE Hunter!
Random Typer002 not a fan of the defenders triwing design but I respect the ships function and I really like the hunter and I wish it got more exposure
Yea still didn’t have shields but was an improvement was supposed to be the replacement for the standard ti
But those are kind of expensive
Shields are a waste of valuable resources, how many times have we all seen X-Wings get taken out in one or two shots from a Tie Fighter, alot.
Great analysis on the TIE fighter! I have a few ideas regarding flaws and how to fix them, namely:
* Give them one proton torpedo or missile launcher;
* Give them the pilot/gunner configuration of the TIE/sf that the First Order uses (come on, they had a similar configuration to both the Y-wing and ARC-170, shouldn't be that hard to add to a TIE back in the Imperial era);
* Give them quick-detach hyperdrive rings like the Eta-2 Actis did, and you'd have a much more effective fighter if you ask me ;)
Instead of the rings a beacon based hyperdrive navi system would have worked better...
avram novorra not cheap though.
Imagine Star Wars with Hyper drive enabled missiles. Whole fleet just sittin in space chillen when all the sudden a rain of missiles pops out of no where
expendable in star wars: the elite among elites.
expendable everywhere else: poorly maintained old equipment and no training or very limited training.
Man, I'm loving the '10 Flaws' series. Great to watch, very entertaining! Thanks for all you do and keep them coming!
About the Zero. It was designed the way it was because they were trying to meet the tough requirements the military had placed. To give it the range and speed required they gave up all defensive measures and even some controls such as it had no hydralic control surfaces so it was all on the pilot's strength.
Very true, but why did they need to do that when the allies didn't?
Because, as they said in the video, the Japanese were limited in engine technology. In part as well because of their limited ability to produce high octane aircraft fuel for more advanced engines.
This was the case with most WWII Japanese warplanes. The B5N "Betty" bomber was called the "Ronson" by Allied pilots after the Ronson cigarette lighter.
Tie fighters are so cool to look at but i think you could have made this list 20 long and still been able to keep going. Standard Tie fighters should have been phased out and replaced with the Tie Advance then equipped with at proton launcher or ion cannon. I think this is my favorite of the series so far. Now lets hear Tarkin doctrine's flaws
One of the main reasons as to why the Advanced wasn't used to phase out the TIE Fighter, was because the Interceptor was already doing that before Return of the Jedi. That being said, the reasoning behind why the Advanced didn't become the primary fighter of the Empire, which was on many levels more capable than anything they had before the Defender, was cost. Palpatine saw those who served him as expendable, which is why the TIE series was made on the cheap, with no hyperdrive or shields, so they could be easy to mass produce and even easier to replace.
strikewolf_82 shows how wise palpatine really was, Don’t it? Little hard to have an eternal empire if you don’t invest in it!
Tobin Strife The Tarkin doctrine was basically a system of everything to not do as a ruler.
I think the Empire should've scrapped the idea of the Death Star and dreadnoughts altogether, and instead used the credits they'd save on better starfighters. After all, if their goal was peacekeeping, not building a Death Star would prevent a lot of people from getting angry, and using those saved credits on better starfighters would deter small rebellions and pirates in the first place. After all, the Rebellion used Starfighters very heavily. If the Empire had stopped with the massive capital ships and super-weapons, and instead made better starfighters, they would have had the upper hand in the Galactic Civil War. Instead, they put massive amounts of resources, manpower, and credits into large, easily destroyed projects. Pitiful. The Tarkin doctrine can only go so far. Projecting fear to deter an enemy isn't as effective as showing an enemy *why* they should fear.
The Metroid Thumper They should have at least made a better TIE that at least had shields, better speed, and visibility, and they could definitely afford this if they scraped they've useless, fragile weapon projects.
The TIE Fighter can trace its roots directly to the ETA-2 Actis Interceptor, which was designed for Force Sensitive pilots, which I think might have been a design flaw carried over to the TIE
Ten flaws with the rebel pilot.
Here's one, they have ZERO protection if their ship decompresses in space. or if they get blown out of the ship in space. They should have a sealed suit with a sealed helmet with an oxygen tank.
True, though they tended to spend days in their cockpits due to interstellar mission profiles while the Tie fighter had a limited oxygen supply.
If you read the legends X-Wing series, a rebel pilot's flight suit did give them limited protection in case they had to eject in space. They had to be rescued within a short time, but it was still better than nothing.
They should've used a suit similar to the pressure suits worn by U2 pilots in our world. If the cabin de-pressurized all the pilot would have to do is flip down his/her visor.
that's one thing that always pissed me off about phase two clone pilot suits is that they had that open face mask for no reason
@@lonesurvivalist3147 I think they look good, but it also feels weird to have those when closed helmets were and are still a thing.
This was an amazingly good and well structured video. Maybe even the best you have done so far.
Thanks
Anyone else hear eric hartman and think of Cartman from South park dressed as Hitler?
Which is odd since he's among the famous Germans of WWII who is traditionally not associated with the Nazi party or post-war Nazi sympathizers.
But yeah, it does sound a lot like Eric Cartman from Southpark.
I totally thought that
Subliminal messaging
+mheltcel Naah, I thought of an Asian American guy who wants delouse all the alien scum. I AM a bit slow though :)
Yup, especially when the Luftwaffe came up.
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Get to the High Ground.
Bread Sharks we must be ready to fight the high elves!
Some very good points raised by the video. The TIE Interceptor was introduced as a replacement for the Ln, but still suffered from many issues listed here. The advantages of speed, maneuverability, a better built frame and most versions having four lasers instead of two were huge gains, but it was still a fragile fighter craft that had an even worse viewport obscuring because of the inward pointed shape of the wings.
In response the TIE Defender and TIE Hunter were effective ships that addressed nearly all of the issues of their predecessors but at the disadvantages of being costly to produce and being made later into the war when the Rebellion was becoming more and more threatening. Their small number of craft ultimately did make a difference but were much too late to the field and there just weren't enough of them.
I was watching your Empire vs Earth and the Separatists vs Earth, and I thought it would be cool if you could do something like the First Order vs Earth or what would happen if the Republic found Earth and what would happen, how would everything change, etc.
Just purchased two blue shirts from your webpage, keep up the great work guys!! I love everything you have put out Star Wars wise so far
Thanks William appreciate it!
5:15 “cosmetic radiation”
Lmao
EA in a nutshell
I'm a simple man. I see a new video of Generation Tech, I like it.
10 Flaws with the T-65B X-wing. I'm pro-rebel but I want to hear on our Main stay Rebel Fighter
Basically a space F-15C (or I rather since it can ground and pound too). The best at everything but numbers and stealth.
1) fuel slug placed towards aft exposing it to enemy fire when shields fail.
2) rely on easily damaged and exposed astromechs for hyperspace calculations and onboard repair
3) canopy gives zero visual field to pilot of underside of craft
4) extended nose come reduces pilot visual field
5) pilots use open helmets making the included ejection system of dubious utility
6) outdated targeting computers compared to modular and easily updated avionics and electronics of TIE series.
7) HUGE laser cannons are spread out far from center of craft meaning increased chance to miss small or close targets
8) proton torpedoes housed under cockpit providing unnecessary danger to pilot in the event of malfunction or hit to munitions.
9) huge profile for enemies to target from above or below.
10) dubious S-foil mechanism that appears to give no advantage in battle other than slightly realigning engines
Rafael Nishizumi hmmmmm 🤔 Fine question
@@russellharrell2747 the s-foils open up to aid in cooling apparently. Which would mostly work in atmosphere
How would I fix/replace the tie fighter?
Well for a start the ties have to be cheep, expendable and manuverable. It also has to be able to counter enemy bombers. B-wings and Y-wings. Any fighter that can not threaten a capitol ship is not a threat at all. Any thing built in the Ties place has to be able to meet these requirements.
1) Re-align the wings. The Tie striker got the right of it.
2) DROID FIGHTER. This is the single biggest thing I would do to fix the Tie and its glaring weaknesses. Strip out the cockpit and slap in a slimed down armored compartment with a droid brain in it. Give it a wireless swarm AI so all of the fighters in the squadron can comunicate to swarm and overwhealm their opponent. Give it a Black box recording device and upload its mission logs after every engagement. Mash all this data up in a huristic learning computer and use it to program and patch your fighters droid brain. That way ever single one of them has thousands of engagements worth of experience to work from.
3) So you dont want to go with shields? fine. Make as many of the components modular and easy to replace in the feild. That way they are easily built, repaired, servaced and upgraded. Take some of the weight you saved from not having a pilot and slather on ablative armor on your critical systems.
4) Give the fighter cameras that allow the ship to see in all directions
5) Fire power. Mount the two guns on a chin turret. This way its better at straffing as well as keeping a beed on your target whilst you bob and weave. You can also use it to fire behind you. Make better use of the guns you already have.
6)Maor firepower. Give it a target designator so it can call in missile strikes and turbo laser barrages. That way it gets more firepower and your bombers can stand off at long range without putting themselves at risk.
7) No hyperdrive? no problem. Mount the fighter to the outside of capitol ships so you carry leads more of them and can launch them faster (see Vulture droid). Give them a hyperspace beacon launcher so you can track those escaping rebel ships back to their bases and Smash Them ALLL!!!!!!!!!!!
the TIE droids is basiclly this
Why would a droid need cameras? It would probably be harder for it to use them than for a human. It just needs sensors that can detect enemy and ally ships that also can be located inside the droid, so they don't get exposted that much.
Also sensors can locate anything around the fighter, when cameras easily have blind spots, even if you spam them everywere on the ship.
@Ruy
Sometimes there is just too much jamming and counter jamming to rely on sensors. You would want optical sensors (cameras) to compensate for this.
Small hardened photo receptors like the ones on droidekas would do for the most part; particualy if you make them fish eye panoramic sensors that can see in infra red. These give you your 360 vision for your close knife fights.
You then pair that up with a gun sight camera and laser range finder on your turret. At distance vision can be done with one or two forward facing telescopic cameras.
By networking the droids together you can make it so they can cover for each others blind spots.
@TNSN
The Droid Tie was a step in the right direction. However it cos made it viable as a swarm fighter only when paired with the Word Devistators. I also feel that it did not do enough to adress some of what I see as the fundemental flaws of the Tie series.
You have a strong point there. I think the most efficient method is to combine them, sensors and radars.
5:52 Anyone else who thought: "Yep, that is how every SW fan would act if they got in an actual Tie Fighter!" ;D
I really like this 10 flaws idea. Maybe next, 10 Flaws with the Rule of Two or Jedi/Sith doctrine? If we're more going for hardware there's; Lightsabers, Blaster Weapons, Imperial Ground Vehicles, or the concept of the Death Star.
Yeet or be yeeten
I like your username
Huge Respect....
A fantastic ship, they just skimped out of some useful features like hyperdrives and shields. When we see the later version such as the interceptors or the defenders things get really scary. Even the old Advanced prototypes are really impressive.
can you do 10 flaws with the venodor
1. Bridge
2. The ventral hangar was a massive target
3. It was too lightly armed for the role it played
...that's really it.
I love the Venator Star Destroyer but I like to see a different view point on it.
Isn't it great that no one needed the correct name to instantly know which ship he was talking about ?
Eric Sauer venator*
1. Two highly exposed bridges.
2. Large hangar bay doors were required to open so that fighters could be launched effectively, making the ship extremely vulnerable.
3. The ship was extremely underarmed, especially for what the ship was used for, having to go up against ship that were armed with almost 5x as much cannons.
4. Venators carried ships which were equipped with hyperdrives, making the ship useless as a carrier for the most part.
5. The ship was most of the time crewed by clones, they handled menial duties such as maintenance, making an expensive crew.
6. The amount of ships carried by a Venator were was almost always outnumbered by CIS starfighters, which were also much faster and cheaper.
I think it's very cool that you draw examples from real life military tactics and plane design to talk about star wars space planes.
Do you own not a V-Neck?
Actually he doesn't have any V-necks. The microphone just turns all his shirts into them by stretching them.
You are a real smartass
Hehe smartass
I have been noticed by the gods.
If he had a V-neck, the mic would cause the shirt to reveal too much Allen-chest, causing mass swooning in the viewership.
So nice to se the TIE fighter - Mitsubishi zero reference! I was thinking that 2 mins before you brought it up :D
This hartman guy was so feared, he gave his plane to pilots who were worse than him so they would not be attacked that much .
Haha that’s a cool story
I see you rocking the left hand ring, nicely done!
I will point out that ECM can make lasers ver off course, it's one reason they do end up fight so close, the standard laser cannons used by TIE Fighters have a range of around 20 miles.
The were constantly updated and the 7.2 and more powerful exist and can kill cap ships.
The sensors used on both sides fighters are 3d 360 tachyons, ftl electroscopes that see in all spectrums and can see energy emissions. They have energy detectors, radiation, gravity, life form and personal identification systems, and some carry laser targeting and doppler radar.
I feel the cockpit is a neutral issue as it also prevents a pilot from being easily killed, pilots in real life are trained to aim for the pilot seat in dogfights, and believe it or not, the hull is just as strong as the X-Wings hull. They also can see through the hull with there helmet mounted displays as long as ecm doesn't interfere with it.
It wasn't the design that held back the TIE Fighter at Yavin, TIEs are pretty much equal to the X-Wing overall.
At Yavin only 9 TIEs fought the 30 plus Rebel fighters, 2-3 TIEs survived Yavin, one Y-Wing survived, one Arrow Head Survived, and 3 X-Wings.
The KDR was way higher for the Enpire, what caused them to lose was Tarken as the Death Star has way more than 9 TIE Fighters that they could have used.
Interesting ecn making lasers go off course I have to look that up
TIEs were more than a match for the X-wing in 1v1...*cant die if u dont get hit* mentality a TIE can run circles around an X-wing the X-wing had armament and durability over all normal TIE fighters but a TIE/In with shields becomes a much much harder fight as its heavier lazer cannons(same used on the defender) can rip through the rebels craft. As seen when skerris rekt the X wings and the bit about a hyperdrive...hows it gonna help if the targets not tracked??? If they were used for hit n run tatics sure but you need to know the target area in the first place to risk it sending fighter there.
1:52 *comes back from fierce dog fighting* "Comrade, hand me da vodka."
Thumbs up for the Hitler Cartman Easter egg
no that guy was real
Thanks Allen enjoyed the breakdown of the T-Fighter. Course it would have been funny for an Admiral to ask his Fighter commander. What do you need to defeat these rebels? The Fighter commander saying, "A squadron of X-Wings sir."
Yay my suggestion was chosen.
Noice
One of the worst weaknesses is how cramped it is. And the wings are are just big like target practice.
The TIE Defender fixes pretty much all the flaws in the standard TIE, and with the money they wasted on the Death Star the Empire could have outfitted the entire navy with them.
Definitely NOT the entire navy. Also It's main factory was blown up so they can't.
“Cosmetic”
“I’m not a rocket surgeon”
Real talk, I agree with you on most of your points, excluding the ‘explosives’ in the wings, b/c the depiction of scuttling the TIEs makes the anti-theft device look like some form of electromagnetic energy discharge. If the physics of the Star Wars universe are analogous to our own, then a local high-amperage EM discharge at the wing attachment points could definitely convert the durasteel(idk exactly what the metal the use for the TIE fighters is called) to plasma, which would produce the (to the naked eye) cleanly sheared sections
This is great and great video
The simplest answer to why they put so much time and energy into finding skilled pilots was that the emperor understood that if he could find the best pilots and indoctrinate them it was less likely they would become useful to his enemies.
"Yo mama's so stupid, she went to Bangkok to get a THAI Fighter!" - Luke Skywalker, 4 ABY
I was going to suggest that it used sensors to see around itself but you're right. What if they're jammed?
Do 10 flaws on The ARC -170
Tim No, do Jabba’s Sail Barge
impossible. There are none.
Riesenfriese You talkin to me, or Timmy?
Jayden Harris Was talking to Tim, your comment wasnt there yet when I was writing mine.
There are flaws with the ARC - 170:
1. It has a large crew. You need a lot of man power. Also you crew needs internal cooperation, which causes delay, that could be the diffrence between life or death.
2. It has large profile, making it an easy target for star fighters. Also it takes a lot of space in a hangar.
Hey guys, I had a thought. So the wings create a huge sensor profile for enemy ships right? What if that is intended?
Consider this:
The Imperial navy relied on large ships over small fighters to win the day. The fighters acted as a screen against other small fighters from getting to the big ships. Having a large sensor profile could be beneficial in a few ways for the general military strategy of this kind of combat.
1) Psychological warfare - Picture it: You're in a rebel cruiser with a few x-wings and maybe a pair of a-wings on board for fighter defense. Suddenly a Star Destroyer comes out of hyperspace in front of you and starts throwing wave after wave of tie fighters. You look at your scanner filling with obscene amouts of contact blips. That's enough to rattle anyone.
2) False Holes - If you position your tie fighters right, you could fake weaknesses in your defensive line. Trick an enemy ship into moving into broadside range. Quoth the Sun Tzu; "War is deception".
3) Better them than us - Maybe so many sensor profiles would confuse a seeker torpedo. Better some coffin jockey take the hit than the Star Destroyer.
Generation Tech please make a theory video or what you think will change or what will he look loke if that happened about what if obi wan kenobi left the jedi order to be with Duchess Satine after his padawan mission to protect her.
Go read some fanfiction or something
@@obi-wankenobi8406 what will you suggest and i like to know other peoples opinion on this topic.
They did do it about a month ago!
You want an uncle?
I like your real world historical analysis TIEd into your videos for comparison
"seems like a really stupid move". In short: "star wars is stupid?" - to sum up the best and most concise answer: yes. :-)
All valid points but in canon many of the top pilots, e.g. Rae Sloane and Iden Versio, love the design of the TIE fighters and love to fly them. It is clear that as far as they are concerned the TIE fighter is the best of the best and they wouldn't want to fight in anything else.
Wow, I really didn't think its THIS bad😂
Great video! Love you guys!
I agree TIEs were outdated, but the F-15 is over 45 years old and are still the gold standard of air superiority fighters. The F-22 is 12 years old, for instance.
The F-15 was chosen by Starscream. Of course it's the best.
1:39 I like the mention of Erich Hartmann. Very few people know about him. I have a special interest in WW2, especially the aircraft of all sides and their pilots.
Flaws with the mon calamri cruiser
Calamri?
@@milenkojakovljevic5499 yeah
to much of an investment for a rebel force. lose one and that a large chunk of your budget gone.
Which one?
@@math3000 the one the rebels used
I wonder what happened to all of the stray lasers that were shot in the dog fights of the ties and rebels or even in the clone wars when they missed, did they just hit random ships or planets or are they still going and just haven’t hit anything?
Rocketsurgeon anyone else heard that
Hello there
GENERAL KENOBI
It's an old joke. Trailer park boys said it a few times(its a classic rickyism)
I just realized the E and C in your guy's logo makes the millennium falcon
Hey, I’m second. Also, you guys should do everything wrong with Jabba’s Sail Barge, the Khetanna. Like if you guys agree
Your also 7
Republic of Debonka What do you mean
@@ninjaman815 just because little kids say their first or second for what ever reason. But more realisticley your 346 and I'm 571st.
You actually are second. Assuming that the idiot that replied counted down with comments set on top comments.
@@Jay-629 my bad he actually is second
Alan, you brought up 10 very valid points but in a 1 on 1 dogfight, the TIE fighter has 50. As in for every 1 TIE you fight, 49 are soon to join in. As you pointed out quantity has a quality of its own.
That is a good point but I’d argue the pilots are to well trained for them to use a quantity over quality strategy
Top 10 flaws with the V19
The Torrent?
How about the V49 Decimator?
A couple points:
1: It is entirely possible, given the level of technology, that TIE fighter pilots had in helmet HUDs. They wouldn't need to see out, as the helmet could display all the info they need. IE: the TIE pilot looks to the right at his bulkhead, and sees targets and ships, not the bulkhead, thanks to his advamced HUD. We are doing it now with fighter helmets.
2/3: The Empire is about absolute control. I would see this extending to their pilots. What better way to ensure your pilots stay loyal, then to make them dependant on the ship for long range travel, and survival? The ship dies, you die. You stray to far, you die. This prevents deserters, and ensures the maximum combat effort on the parts of the pilots.
4: the TIE in atmosphere. Given the shape, while not ideal, so long as you continue forward, it wouldn't cause to much issue, given the level of anti-grav, repulser, and inertial damper tech. The forward facing profile is actually fairly sleek. The panels are large, and would cause some drag, but I believe it could fly in atmosphere, just not to the speed it can achieve in space.
5: Sensor profile: seeing as the TIE fighters are short range interceptors, their sensor images would be dwarfed by the capitol ships they are near, so being seen, or not, is not an issue by this point. This could also be advantageous, seeing as they are so near their own ships. Combine a large sensor readout, with an IFF signal, and the Empire's capital ships could, in theory, easily miss their own ships. A sort of electronic interrupter gear, if you will. On a side note, this very sensor readout could, potentially, be used against the enemy. A swarm of TIE fighters, clustered close together, could appear to be a lone, much larger, ship. There was a mission in Vietnam to use a nearly identical tactic, switching F-105 Thunderchiefs, for F-4 Phantoms.
6: lack of shielding. While shielding is good, it also increases weight and cost. A much cheaper, but equal alternative, is armour. Now, I know the TIE fighter lacks armour, however, minimal amounts, to protect against debris, is easily done. Our own space fairing vessels are well protected against debris now. Is it such a jump to assume the Empire has developed a light weight, cheap alloy to prevent micro meteoriods from penetrating the compartment in flight?
7: armourment: Giving the TIE fighters simple laser cannons, beyond the cost, ensures a couple things:
1: they cannot damage Rebel capitol ships, but can remove point defense cannons, leaving, potentially, a crew to interrogate.
2: the weapons cannot be turned on the Empire's own capitol ships. If a TIE fighter is captured, the Rebels (or defectors), cannot turn around, and use it against the Empire effectively, where as the X-Wing, if captured by the Empire, could be sent out in a mission, the crews undercover as Rebels, to eliminate a Rebel fleet. This would sow discontent within the Rebel Alliance, and lead to strained relations.
I think this covers everything. Thank you for reading! I hope you enjoyed! As always, the video was great, but I thought it would be fun to make a counter point list.
11th FLAW, you must be wearing a TIE to operate.....weird
Whatcha talking about?
I thought you had to be Thai, wearing a tie, to operate the TIE fighter. 😀
The Empire requires Ties in all formal occasions. Tails are optional.
hey generation tech, I made my own fighter. The f 54 air/space superiority fighter, produced by a faction I made. The f 54 is based off of the modern f 35 and made out of a nanotech moded plasteel composite, allowing it to effectively block things up to small flak without shielding. With a mk 3 heavy shield generator it can successfully take dozens of octuple turbo laser hits without much damage.
it's maneuverability is much better than a tie. max speed is 1,200 mph, turn speed at 600 mph. No big panels on the sides. It has a type 0 warpdrive allowing for cross galaxy travel in hours.
Main armament are 4 c-96 laser canons. capable of destroying a shielded fighter in 2 shots. Secondary armament are 12 aksis fire and forget missiles. common tactic with these are to fire 8 at fighters and the rest at capital ships.
Thanks to replication tech, it can be produced very fast, efficiently and with almost no cost.
to anyone reading this, if you have questions, I am willing to answer them when I can.
Clone trooper!
Yes, phase 1!!
Loving these. :) Find all the flaws is the most loved ships like the X-wing or the Falcon (YT-1300)
Don't forget the power of its cannons! It's poorly defended but it can pack a punch!
💪😎
Rip through shields like it's nothin'.
That was my main issue with Star Wars, when it came to the Empire's military, they never made any adjustments, I mean for almost twenty years the main ships the dealt with were fighter to falcon size freighters, and yet their fleet equipped to deal with every ship but fighters and falcon sized freighters.
If nothing else after the destruction of the first death star you would expect to find a massive retrofitting of point defense weapons onto SDs, but nope, nothing. As I said in theSD flaw video, this would have been like following the attack on Pearl Harbor the USA decommissioning it's aircraft carriers and instead building an even larger battleship fleet, made of of even larger, slower battleships, but stripped of the AA guns to allow more large anti-capital ship weaponry and sending them out to battle the Japanese fleet of carrier task forces.
In-Canon weren't TIE fighters stated to be worse in-atmosphere? I know they did in Legends
Having read plenty of Canon sources, in-atmosphere use of the TIE fighter (by skilled pilots) is usually accompanied with appreciation on it's agility.
X-Wing series has them using the wings’ drag to drift around to their advantage. Clever pilots indeed.
Caleb Olds I'd love to know
A sudden turn in a TIE in atmosphere at speed would almost certainly sheer the wings off
10 flaws with Rey.
Good luck.
Well crap, it would be tough to narrow it down to only 10.
Only 10?
ToddTheTolerable only ten? You could do like everything on her
ToddTheTolerable
A joke right? I can name MANY
1. Rey
Correction on the sidewinder fact in the beginning, most AIM-9 Sidewinder variants use passive-infrared sensors to detect the targeted aircraft, infrared passes through fog, clouds and such and is not influenced by darkness meaning that they can in fact be used without visibility. Now one might think that the hostile aircraft couldn't be targeted in the first place, though targeting works via multiple different systems, which determine identity, location, speed and such without needing any visibility at all.
Though I agree on his point anyway, that in a dogfight visibility is quite necessary.
And yes I am fun at parties, just wanted to share some knowledge for those who want it.
Explain why dating a force sensitive woman is a bad idea
Haha that’s a good one
Besides the inevitable lightning storms whenever "that time of the month" rolls around? Make one mistake and you get turned into charcoal. 😀
Darth Kai good question
@@BennyLlama39 thats if its a sith one if its a jedi one probley not a lot of thunder
10 flaws with the x wing would be a good video to watch
Pffff the Tie fighter is better than a Thai fighter
Yoyle 0340 hahahaha Robot Chicken too eh?
I was thinking about the cockpit design before clicking on the video and it was the first flaw!
i cant believe i say this but you are wrong in nearly evry way...
the ONLY REAL FLAW is the lack of deflector shields...
evrything else you have mentioned doesnt support its purpose and just costs billions of credits the empire could use for important things...
the imperial navy isnt built for battleing a "real" war against some big faction that actually can deploy a fleet like the rebel alliance....
it is to show presence, fighting pirates and do peace keeping missions and for all that an star destroyer and it's 72 TIE's is more than enough, not to say overkill...
the TIE isnt supposed to be better in 1vs1, its supposed to easy overwhelm the few pirate fighters and evrything bigger than fiighters will be handled by the star destroyer itself!
doesnt need better armament -> star destroyer support
doesnt need hyperdrive -> SD transport
doesnt need life support -> suits(better pilot protection in case of dmg)
doesnt need rear view -> sensors/71 wingmen/ and im sure they got some kind of target lock alarm...
only flaw as said in my opinion fot its purpose.... deflector shields...
but i mean its litterally deployed to fight agianst enemy fighters which are still better equipped than them...you want good armorment, hyperdrive would allow better range for better engagements, life support is key to surviving, and even in todays most modern fighters, rear view is still a thing and they are taught to not only rely on radar and such but also to rely on their own two eyes...hes right about the star destoyer support though, they would be better off having their own guns with fighters out at a longer range similar to how it works in real life and has for the past 100 or so years
TIEs are fielded by capital ships and large space installations, resources that usually carry long range weapons. TIEs can get by with short range weapons for close, accurate shots. TIE Bombers could conceivably carry long range weapons if needed.
Also for lack of defensive shielding, please refer to the sentry TIEs attacking the Falcon in ANH, they do show signs of laser hits on shielding, just as we see when hits are scored on the Falcon itself. Either these are the only TIEs in the galaxy so equipped or SHIELDLESS TIES ARE REBEL PROPAGANDA!!!
TIEs may have lesser shielding when compared to more expensive and wasteful ships but they do have deflector shielding of some kind.
Yeah, I was kinda surprised by some of his reasoning too. Suggesting to slap a Proton Torpedo launcher on a TIE fighter is kinda like equipping a standard infantry soldier with an AGM65 Maverick missile - I'm sure said soldier is gladly going to use a weapon that is 2.5 m in length and weighs 300 kg even without its launching and targeting system...
As true as a lack of hyperdrive being a flaw is true, the difficulty in following a ship through hyperdrive means that outside there being major faults in the target you can't really expect to catch them after that point.
Truthfully I don't think a lack of hyperdrive would of been too critical a failing if certain conditions were met.
1. The fleet acting must have enough reserve capacity that if a single carrying ship (ie star destroyer) is lost other ships in the fleet can recover all fighters (or just recover pilots since Ties are cheap)
2. You need a second type of fighter equipped to handle the long range missions. In canon the tie advanced or the tie defender could do this and at least in legends the defender also carried missiles
3. As a result of the first point star destroyers should not act alone
I think that a MAJOR flaw is the lack of life-support systems, meaning that you die of suffocation if your suit malfunctions or you are left stranded on space by your mothership. However, the T-65 X Wing open helmet is also a FLAW, because any breach on the cockpit can kill you very quick. That is the reason why Gundam pilots use Normal Suits. Except Char, but everybody in-universe thinks that he is insanely badass for THAT.
6:00 ur right, irl the TIE could not fly in atmosphere because it has no way of generating lift
Great vid!
How about "10 flaws with Rebel tactics" next?
7:50 I actually think these kinds of wings are only for flight school, do we have any sources that state otherwise?
Great thoughts on the Flaws of the Tie/LN. One quick note. You showed the blue print of the Tie Fighter, but you flipped it upside down....
Very interesting comparison of the TIE Fighter to the Zero.
@GenerationTech your wrong here is why:
1) the zero out performed us planes. Its main issue was its climbing speed an angle. This was used against the zero to inflict mass casualties later on in the war. It was hardly an unfair fight from either perspective of the war.
What’s with the Betty Boop pic @ 1:38. Subliminal?
There is one thing about the Tie Fighter everyone seems to forget: they need sunlight. You wouldn't be able to fly in the shade, at least not for long. For example the trench run on the death star in Episode IV.
Based on the size of the Tie Fighter each solar panel has a maximum size of 50m². Depending on the distance to the sun you only get a few kW of power, on earth for example you get 1kW per m². This is not much and it assumes that the panel is always facing the sun.
Given that Star Wars plays in the same universe and is subject to the same physical laws as we do, it would not be possible to build a working Tie Fighter even with advanced technology.
It just looks cool and the sound is great
Maybe the Emperor didn't want the Tie to be that powerful.
You know, you should actually make a 10 Advantages video on the TIE Defender. I would really like to see that. Thanks for listening, your friend and fan, Shock Trooper T.V.
TIEs are just perfect for their purpose, cheap, efficient, fast. The issue is the lack of imperial support ships. ISDs are not able to protect a TIE squadron against mid sized ships.
Also the small numbers of TIEs often made me wonder. There should be a million fighters protecting a Death Star, not like ten.
that star wars game clip starts at 3:56 what game is that from.
When a TIE pilot dramatically leans forward, he's either about to kill an enemy or about to be abandoned by his star destroyer.
The TIE Defenders in Star Wars Rebels addressed some of these problems. They were equipped with deflector shields and hyperdrives and seemed to be generally more powerful offensively as it had various torpedo weapons on board. Had the empire taken the time to develop the Defender and replace the standard model with them, that could've saved them a lot of trouble.
In the chapter on deployment, you suggested that star destroyers would be better served by point defense weapons. WW2 experience showed that was not the case, as illustrated by the sinking of the Prince of Wales and Repulse, as well as the Japanese battleships Yamato and Musashi. In all four of the mentioned cases, the battleships were bristling with anti-aircraft guns (i.e. point defense cannons) but were sunk anyway, with minimal loss of aircraft.
Since Star Wars combat is based on WW2 combat, and since point defense weapons were only one step short of useless in WW2, it makes sense in universe why imperial designers would favor a combat air patrol (fighters) over point defense weapons.