ELITE Sterzo Indoor Cycling Steering Device: Lama Lab Tested // Zwift MTB Course
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ต.ค. 2024
- The ELITE Sterzo steering device put to the test in the Lama Lab on the Zwift mountain bike single track. This unit provided the best steering experience I've tried to date, easily surpassing my own $10 steering plate.
Initial pricing from Elite for the Sterzo (mechanical version as shown here):
Europe: €39.99
UK: £34.99
Phone mount in use for Zwift steering was a Quad Lock.
Quad Lock on Amazon (US): amzn.to/2nwVjUm
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Enjoying your channel from Florida, got Zwift Dec 2023 and today I'm putting together the Smart steering block . Better late than never . Took 48 days to get my Tron bike. And 5 months level 56. 67 yrs young . Triathlete since 1985 still learning and loving training
I made mine using a car cam belt tensing bearing and welded legs on it and fitted a wooden platform on top. Luckily it even self centres as well. I have used it all the time since I made it.
The best bot for me is when you finish the mountain bike course, and then try steering on the road. Nearly throws me off my trainer every time! (Great vid Shane- thank you!!)
Thanks Shane.
I tried the Sterzo at the TDU and I knew instantly it was a winner. I made a comment re this on your rocker plate video so you’ve delivered on cue!!
It’ll be on my Neo setup ASAP!
Glad I am not the only one that sweats buckets on this short segment.
Don’t sell yourself short - I love the homemade stuff!(granted I still have my front tire on a phone book)
Thanks Shane, I watched your videos on making a homemade one but never actually got round to doing it myself. This looks really good, keep the great videos coming mate 👍
Don’t know if I want one (ok, I do), but I mostly just enjoy how much you enjoyed it!
I'm just a big kid when it comes to things like this. :)
It would be cool to see them add vertical accelerometer support to allow those with suspension to ride in a more mtb way using their weight rather than constant pedaling. It's a cool feature for road right now but I'd love to see them really develop the mountain bike aspects
Elite Rizer but the need to get the cost to
I used and slightly modified your original design and have been pleased with its performance. I am now considering how to add the wheel centering feature because of the improvement your report it offers. Thank you.
I went *outside* for a ride on my bike. Steering feeling perfect! The graphics need a bit of updating though...
dont know if you guys gives a shit but if you guys are bored like me atm you can stream pretty much all the latest movies and series on instaflixxer. Been streaming with my gf for the last few weeks xD
@Zakai Gatlin Definitely, I have been using instaflixxer for months myself :D
@Zakai Gatlin Yea, I've been using InstaFlixxer for since november myself :)
@Zakai Gatlin Yea, I've been using instaflixxer for years myself :D
Sweet! need to make one that can accept a MTB tire! I use my hardtail with a 27.5x3.0 tire up front! pretty sure that won't fit on this haha
It'll take up to 56mm
@@gplama only a 2.2 MTB tyre then?
From the thumbnail I first thought it was a really ugly saddle
This needs to be tested! :)
Sterzo saddle on truPower Rollers on the saris wobbleboard!
Yeah haha
I had built one of these using lazy susan from the HW store - but lost interest in the MTB route on Zwift - Now I'm on a Kickr Bike, so will have to wait for Wahoo to integrate steering into that before I can Get My Steer On... :) EDIT TO ADD: I really like that the pivot point is behind the contact patch - in line with the steering axis. Big improvement over my home made bodge... EDIT TWO: They totally missed the boat on the name. Should have been SWERVO! =)
SWERVO! hahaha!
Sterzo in Italian means Steering; Its an Italian company mate....
@@danjo1967 Thanks for the info. SWERVO is still better.
I wonder if the frontal pivot will prevent trainer walk in all cases. I have a "Lazy Susan" style turntable that's on a 20-30 degree angle or so. It does the trick and also acts as a self-centre mechanism. This Sterzo is £ 34 in the UK so while it's not a bank breaker, it's not cheap as chips either. Zwift (or other platforms) would need to make more of steering to make it worth the investment for me.
Thanks
Nice Hunt wheel :P
Me Want! Hurry up Elite :)
Great video i just got one today cant wait to use it
I have been hoping the would bring out a road steering section.
Keith as Allan wrote further Down: IRL on Roads it is very limited how Much you actually turn the handle bars to steer
This is really neat. Thanks for the review. Would it be possible to check with ELITE on whether they have any plans to make one that which would support strapping the wheel into the center pivot? Something like the mechanism that is used on the Saris M1 would be great. I often jump the wheel around when pulling on the bars in a sprint, and it worries me that it might pop out and create a safety issue. Thanks.
Shane, great video! When are you going to set this up on a rocker plate & give us your thoughts on that experience??
They need to make one that accepts the Kickr Climb!
Rice Cooker sold!
Can you make it with a view of how you would really see what was in front of you ,like just the handle bars and the front tire and maybe half your arms . The way back behind the bike view is like games back in the 90's .
Awesome video!!
I wonder if that plus a rocker plate would help comfort.
Adding steering to a rocker plate is more about "fun" and "freedom" of the front end. Allowing the bars to turn more easily (compared to locked in like the majority of wheel riser blocks) is nice. It lets the rider add some steering and "body English" while standing in particular, which makes the standing efforts more fun. More fun and freedom often leads to using it more, which can lead to more comfort. So it's an indirect connection really, not a direct one. But with my testing, I think having steering on a rocker is a bonus worth the effort.
Hi Shane, been following you and watching your vids since the Beta Zwift days and you've made another cracking video. What are your thoughts or experience on using a quad lock with the fork connected into the kicker climb, does the steering MTB route still work the climb?
Bought one. Just returned it. For Zwift it really didn’t add enough for what it costs. Going to build a rocker plate instead.
Just take my money! Would like an active version with sensors but I’ll buy this even so n
Can’t wait for them to add steering to something that tilts
Alex Swift the tacx trainers tilts slightly
Once that is in the entirety of Zwift then I would buy one and actually use Zwift again. I was a beta tester of Zwift back in the day (and tried it again about a year ago) but it just isn't for me. I preferred just hitting numbers on Training Peaks.
But steering would really improve the Zwift experience for me. I'd be down with that for sure.
Clark as Allan wrote further Down: IRL on Roads it is very limited how Much you actually turn the handle bars to steer.
@@henrikpedersen4373 true true. I think it would just make it feel like I was in the game more if you actually had to pay attention to the road and move the bars even a little. But true you don't move the bars a lot in real life
I would like to see ELITE Sterzo in conjunction with the Saris MP1 Nfinity Trainer Platform, if only there was a way to segure the front wheel
Hi Shane love stuff u r doing...I just like 2know if u r or have done anything with Bkool turbo trainers? If not any chance u might do something in the future...Keep up the great work 👍👍👍Ride on👍👍👍
I’ve reviewed the BKool AIR. They’re no longer making trainers. Keep clear of them.
Shane Miller - GPLama
I was looking @ the Bkool pro 3...But Okie Dokie I’ll take ur advice & stay clear of them
Many Thanks 👍
I did c that review on the BKOOL air
Really good review & looks like great fun, I am keen to get the steerer, however you mentioned something about the compatibility if using an iPhone 6… I only plan to update my phone if really required. Thoughts please. I am currently using a TAXC NEO
It'll work... but I've found the accelerometers on the iPhone X better. The digital version of the Sterzo will solve this.
@@gplama, thanks for the feedback…. looks like it would need to be the digital version instead then
This is great news and great review. Do you know if the Sterzo works with other apps such as KinoMap?
I don't believe Kinomap has steering of any kind in-game/app.
Still waiting to see where and when we can get this in Australia. Been a month. It appears COVID in Italy (is that where Elite is from?) may have hurt stocks before exporting overseas. 🤷♂️
So hard to get gamification into a sentence ;-) Nice work
Mountainbike course on road bike gears. Making that climb out it hard before you start. I really hope Zwift incorporates this on the road side so you can choose that you have to steer to make corners and maintain draft. If they could limited the width of the lane you can ride in and made it that you slowed down maybe 10-20% compared to your real effort at the very edges to penalise bad steering. If you steered well you'd be no worse off than riders without steering who would continue with the current system but with much more to keep your mind occupied indoors. Like mentioned below you don't steer much on road but then if the sensors you are using are sensitive enough then you wouldnt need to in Zwift either which is where a steering device with internal sensors would excell.
I'm old school ... if the 'home made' does what it needs to do then I pat myself on the back ..... cos no-one else will!
Spot on Sterzo pronunciation 👍
Excellent! 🇮🇹
5 years up next week mate :)
I need that now, when is it available?
I bought one of these arrived today 8/9/2020 it was missing the battery connections so it would not work, sending it back to amazon, I wanted a replacement but no can do.
Now if they had of put a steering sensor in there id of looked at buying it.
Yup, once they add a potentiometer, or better a hall effect sensor, and allow direct connection to Zwift, we will have much more reliable and accurate steering. The phone method now is a hack with know issues.
This smile ;-)
Looks cool. Quick question - what trainer difficulty do you use??
100%
Just put a sensor in it, that connects to pc for direct, lag-free steering. How difficult could this be? Steering through cellphone gyro device is not accurate and the input lag makes it just annoying.
Looks interesting. Had noticed it in a few of your videos previously. Can I ask how wide it is at its widest point?
35cm x 25cm
@@gplama Thanks heaps!
Do you think these will be bundled with their smart trainers soon?
Wonder when it will be available in the US?
Looks like an upgrade from the plastic wrapping I have under my Tacx wheel stand 🤣
How is it with the pivot out in front of where the tire makes contact with the unit? I would think the pivot point should be more in the center line with the head tube like with the home made turn tables.
I WANT !!!!! Please let us know as soon as available !!
Will do! :)
🤓woooww mtb🥰
Steering aside, does adding some movement to the front end make the indoor cycling experience more forgiving? I'm thinking a small scale version of the relief provided by the Saris MP1. Cheers.
It frees up the front end so it’s not locked in tight. I like that over a straight only setup.
Shane Miller - GPLama So would you recommend for the non-Zwift users? Does it make less stressful for the body?
@@ahtramos I like a little front end movement, but it's not an essential.
I wanna try!
I just received mine in the mail today elite Sterzo Do I have to place batteries into it
The 'non smart' version of the Sterzo doesn't require batteries.
Need one to pair with my elite direto
A Kickr doesn't normally need a riser block. Is the Sterzo low enough to the ground to not feel like the front end is too high?
35mm rise iirc.
where can I buy this object online ,thanks so much
I just don't want to do that in Zwift. I don't want my phone mounted on the bike either.
The steering device would be good for Veloton perhaps.
Hi Shane, is it only iPhone 10 & newer that has accelerometer? Can find it on my 8. Would be great if elite or someone made a digital version 👍
I think they’ve been in iPhones forever. The level app/Util uses them. The Companion App takes advantage of them for the steering transparently.
I have an iphone 6s. It has an accelerometer otherwise the 3D photos wouldn't work.
I guess doesn't work with Kickr Climb :)
Any alternative to STERZO? I live in Italy and did ask them about the product since is not available anywhere and at the moment they should sell it only via Elite online shop, the problem is that for lockdown they are not going to sell anything right now... any alternative to this? I ddi try the turning disk but really can't make it work I need to till it but have no clue how to do it and the wheel kind of slip out
Not that I'm aware. Let's sit this one out and wait for the world to turn back up the right way. Elite should have these on the production line... whenever that may start again.
Hey, Shane didn't you get a new PC - you said you would go over your specs and Zwift config file settings but I can't find the video? This video looks great. What's your Zwift Config file look like? Did you change anything? I think I have the same video card you mentioned but my graphics look nothing like that!
I'm still working on the video. It's running an Nvidia RTX 2060. By default Zwift will choose 'HIGH' detail. There are two above that to manually select.
@@gplama Ok, thank you. I thought I heard you say RTX 2060 because I have the exact same card. my main processor is a little slower than yours (i5 at 3.7) but from what I understand it's mostly video card. I messed with the zwift config settings a little bit as well. Again your's looks great and I look forward to that video! (where I'm sure I'll post more questions) but I don't want to Hi-Jack this video's comments any more...
How’d you earn that kit?
It’s slick!
Level 42 or 43 unlock
Too bad I live in a crappy apartment that makes us pay for their built in wifi that zwift companion doesn't work with. Any workarounds Shane? You're a tech man.
1) use a "travel router" 2) use a Wi-Fi to Ethernet adapter with a normal router
Either of these approaches will create a private Wi-Fi network for your use.
Yep. That’s the answer. Don’t use that wifi.
No Force Feedback?
Are you using it just for off-road trail or on road as well?
It only works for this off-toad section.... for now.
Shane Miller - GPLama I understand that.Just wondered if I would just leave it there or remove it each time I go to road
How does this work considering the opposite effect of steering v's weight shift?
There’s no ‘real’ physics indoors for steering. It’s a direction device.
Will this work for us that is actually using our trail/enduro bikes in the winter on swift for training with that 2.4 - 2.6 knobbie up front ? seems like there is not much room for bigger tires ?
It'll take up to a 56mm tyre.
That will be a no.
Will the sterzo work with 700c size tires. Will it be available on Amazon?
Yes for 700c, not sure on Amazon sorry.
Its available for shipping on there now
So after this route done you still able steer on normal routes?
Yes
@@gplama thanks for your answer
@@gplama i was trying to find this route for several times, and there is nothing for now. Maybe they disabled it for some regions or at all
Does gradient changed depending on the line you take on each coner? (inside line should have higher gradient than outside)
I don’t believe so. I’d to test this to be 100%
@@gplama if such is true it should be fun!!
Hi Shane, will a mtb tire fit in the device?
Yep! I've seen a tyre 2.25" in one (spec sheet says up to 57mm)
@@gplama Great. thanks.
Hi, what is the difference from elite sterzo to elite sterzo smart?
The non smart is just a physical turn block.
Will my Kickr Climb fit on it... Ha Ha
I was wondering the same thing.
Like wise??
May I know what route of this ? Thanks
Are you aware of anything Wattbike are doing or anyone they are working with to bring in similar support for this somehow?
No word from WattBike
Will it work with a mountain bike front tyre width?
Yes
Sterzo is the Italian word for steering wheel or steering.
Did you say "game"Shane tut tut. I suppose it is but I'm sticking to interactive training aid. Elite will.make a pile of cash on this.
You should be in marketing! :)
@@gplama I'd be fired for protesting it Shane because as you well know the trend is towards the game like side of online interactive cycling. If it gets those that are reluctant to outdoor cycle onto a trainer its got to be a positive, game or otherwise.
Not a bad price at $59. If this this was made by Wahoo it would be $599.
Good idea, but a bit of a waste of money if you can only use it on one short course. Hopefully Zwift has more steerable courses in the pipeline.
if only someone made a sweat guard that made for steering
Is there anywhere else this can be used
The Companion App steering is limited to this section only. The newer Sterzo Smart allows steering everywhere: th-cam.com/video/PFSKAGsV0UE/w-d-xo.html
Looks neat but given the choice between steering & Kickr Climb the latter wins every time.
It would be nice to experience or see someone finding a way & tool for combining the wider foot print forward & backward pivoting Wahoo Kickr Climb in combination with the smaller footprint non forward & backward pivoting Elite sterzo steering on the Swift MTB Course to get even more virtual reality. Honostly I dont't find your home made (lazy Susan) left & right pivoting plate embarassing. Because probably that flat larger foorprint plate will work better with the kickr climb.
Can you use that product if you have a Neo or do you have to use Tacx's old version?
This will work with any trainer. It might need a little more height for the Neo.
@@gplama Thanks Shane!
You say that the sterzo replicates the same feeling as riding so your bikes wants to return to center and it gets harder to turn the more you turn........uhhhhh what bike do you ride that does any of those things? The bike only returns to center for a few degrees. After that you fall if you let go. And it is certainly not harder to turn the more you turn
After getting both barrels over rocker plates, sure. Let’s roll with that.
A super common 2.30 front tyre already does not fit. Again, no mountain bikers in the company or anyone to ask ?
One for Elite Support. I wouldn’t say people riding MTB indoors is super common.
Any guess on the price point? From 1 to Saris MP1
Europe: €39.99. UK: £34.99. TBA elsewhere.
For the life of me I can't understand wanting to steer on Zwift. They know that when riding a bike IRL turning the handlebars is a very small part of steering, right? I guess with mountain bike then steering comes more into play but still only a small part. If we're just talking about gamification to keep us entertained but having nothing to do with IRL riding then I can see it but this has no real life application. I prefer to get things for my trainer that makes the indoor experience MORE like real life--like the kickr climb.
Gaming. 100%.
Virtual riding is getting a little ridiculous...
How to test the off-road th-cam.com/video/psTxfI61Mfc/w-d-xo.html
Horrible problem with sweat literally swamping batteries causing permanent failure awful design
Doesnt anybody ride on the road?
Most do both. 🤷🏻♂️