Do I Regret Buying an E92 M3?
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One thing worth bearing in mind, and please don't take this the wrong way, is that, in my opinion, rather than spending what was probably £5k on a wrap, money on a carbon intake, it may have been more prudent to put that money aside for repair bills to actually keep it running...?
Wrap at most was probably £2500 with ceramic coating:
@dansully5927 he has gone to MonsterWraps, who are first class outfit, I knew someone who had their M2 Comp wrapped with 3M wrap, doors, shuts and returns, and its came out in the end at £5.5k, so most definitely isn't £2.5k as Inozetek are one of the highest quality brands!
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I'm rebuilding an E46 and I couldn't agree more. Preventative maintenance/repairs first then aesthetics. But if you have the money, there is no order.
Sounds like he didn’t have a budget. Nice if you’re in that position. Not many of us are, ever.
The car is reliable if you drive responsibly. People often complain about rod bearings, but the real issue is using low-quality oil. M cars should always run on 10w60 oil, regardless of the season, for better lubrication because they are designed for high RPMs. Using thinner oil won't work well; it becomes too watery and fails to provide proper lubrication, which wears out the rod bearings. I know people who haven't needed to change their rod bearings for years, and even after replacing them for maintenance or due to high mileage, the bearings were still in decent condition. Another important factor is not to exceed 2,000 RPM until the oil indicator shows that the oil is warm. Until then, the oil is too thick to lubricate properly. Once the oil is warm, you can drive the engine hard, and it will hold up well. In conclusion, always use 10w60 oil and avoid high RPMs until the oil is adequately warmed up.
Be honest..you bought a car that had lots wrong with it. You then moaned about the cost and then make silly vids saying its expensive to own.
E92 is a great car..daily or toy.
Rod Bearings, Vanos Covers, Throttle Actuators, Engine Mounts, Bushes, Power Steering fluid reservoir. You could even scar yourself with main bearings........Welcome to the amazing E9x s65
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Yeah so say those who haven't owned or driven nor could afford one. I've had no issues in 6 yrs. Throttle actuators are expected to fail and trivial to fix. You should be worried about fuel economy.
Venting about your car while sliding it? is gangster, I can't lie
I daily mine with SC and 6MT. Life is too short to let this beast sit in the garage 💪
Tell em about it. I was fortunate enough to buy a pristine 2011 E92 M3 last month. It only had 10k miles on it. I couldn’t help think who the hell buys a car like this and doesn’t drive it? lol
So you've absolutely nailed it!!! This is exactly how I feel about my W204 C63 coupe. Had it for over 4 yrs and done 42K miles and absolutely love it, but the costs of ownership far exceeded what I had predicted. I've always had an itch for an e9X m3 and feel it'll be along the same running costs. Mine will be up for sale in a coupe of months as a more practical daily is needed. Love the videos bud, keep up the good work.
I have a 2008 I've owned since 2011. Nothing about it is stock. Custom interior, race seats, carbon everything both inside and out + ESS supercharger. 650hp+ loud and the only issue I've ever had was the actuators going out. Very reliable.
I bought my 08’ e90 m3 1.5 years ago and it was perfect. Zero issues until 2-3 months ago. Now I’ve got 20k worth of shit wrong with it. And I’ve put 40k miles on it since owning. Thermostat leaking,TAs,coolant expansion tank leaking, valve covers leaking, washer fluid leaking, electrical issues with taillights, etc
It's this stuff that scares that crap out of me about owning one. I could afford the repairs, but I don't want to afford the repairs! Especially if a whole heap of stuff goes wrong like you have sadly experienced.
@matthewwaldrup149 20k sounds like a blown engine and trans. The stuff you mentioned is just regular maintenance stuff, $400-500 in parts.
@@justfasial01 they wanna charge $4500 to replace alternator.. it’s a $300 part and 1.5hrs labor. That’s why the estimate is so high. They wanna charge me almost 6k to do throttle actuators. I got an estimate from my Indy mechanic parts and labor everything except the throttle actuators bc he can’t order them from where he gets his stuff so I’d have to order myself. But his estimate was 4k
@@matthewwaldrup149 $4500 for alternator is robbery.
All of those things were could do on a weekend for the price of parts
After doing the rod bearings I haven't had an issue beside the cam position sensor, sorry you had trouble but even then it's still worth it to me
Bought mine 4 years ago, LE 500 E92. Reliability wise only had to replace the actuators. Maintenance wise 2 rear ps4s's and rear discs then servicing. I've done around 15 000 miles and all in it will have cost £15 000. That's including £700 road tax per year, insurance, tracker subscription and fuel which at 19 mpg is around 35p per mile at current prices. There's not much else that gives the amount of smiles per gallon like one of these though especially something that's rear wheel drive. GT 911s maybe but can't buy one of these for the cost of an E92.
I run mine April-Sept only, as an occasional daily. Wrap looks really good.
Daily drove mine, it had 160k on when I sold it. Just brilliant,bit thirsty but insurance was super cheap which balanced things out a bit.
Love the colour mate. Nice that.
I have always fancied one, you have been very honest about repairs, does it need any other work and how muçh would you sell it too me for?
Been driving mine daily for several years… knock on wood I did the rod bearings and engine mounts with frequent oil changes and have had nothing else major come up since. Sorry to hear your experience has been different. Even if a few things go wrong… I don’t think there is an equally special car for any less money.
Had my manual 2011 for 6 yrs, not usually a daily, haven't done anything other than fluids but only 56k miles. Still love it, pristine, 2nd owner.
Sorry to hear about the issues you've had. I got mine with 58k miles now on 104k only done pads and tires no issues rod bearings not even done and I drive this car hard. I think how the car is looked after from new deteemines ultimately how it ends up down the line
Sounds like your ready to sell now. Or will you wait until something else breaks.
Have had no issues with my 2012 e92 m3 comp pack aside from preventative maintenance (rod bearings and actuators) and now at 72k miles.
Done the e92 thing twice, both bit me in the arse with problems. Great car’s so well balanced, however with the cost of repair even at an Indy, won’t ever go bmw again.
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What went wrong? Or do you mean routine repairs and maintenance?
@@Assimilator1that’s what I want to know too
@@Assimilator1 neither were M3’s unfortunately, first was a 320d and the timing chain snapped on one of the links, needed engine out to replace. Second was 325i all 6 injectors failed, £100 each + labour and 2 other garages not knowing fully the issue so wasted another £300 diagnosing it. I love the the e92 and bmw in general just you know when somethings telling you it’s not the right car for you 😂
@@pad3357 Oh dear, bad luck 🙁, yea the N47 engine is (was?) known for timing chain issues. All 6 injectors failed?? That seems absurdly unlikely, unless you mean they were worn out, e.g poor spray patterns, from very high miles?? Sounds very odd.
But yea, I see why you'd be put off! lol
The M3 doesn't suffer from timings chain issues normally, but their are the occasional injector failures....
I love my e46 track car and i also have a workhorse a6 avant diesel trailer puller, audi s5 3.0, supercharger and in a few years might get an Amg gtr or McLaren of somesort, ill be keeping the e46!
How does it compare to the f8x chassis?
What exhaust system is on it?
7 years in - supercharged for nearly 4 years and all I’ve had to fix is the rear diff seal. It gets tracked and driven hard - 20k miles. Best car I’ve ever had
Watching the vid thinking... I know that road!! :) as the run between Kingsclear and Micheldever :). Owning an M3 e92 comp as well as several other cars (including the one in the profile pic..) I sympathise with with the running costs, but... I personally think its worth it just for the drive and how it makes you feel and the noise is out of this world (have a carbon plenum and a few other bits on mine), the fear of something serious breaking on it is quite scary tho!!!... I've had mine 4 years now, no regrets despite the service bills and big bills here and there. ps.... I daily an e90 330d ;)
Bro your hoodie is fire, what brand is that? 👌🏻
Love the vids..i dailyed my m3 e46 smg for 2 years n loved every minute of it but it does come a time when the nxt box to tick has to start
Still waiting for content on s1 ?
Based on what you have done, the performance it has, what you will have to spend to get anything like it again, V8 naturally aspirated! I’d keep it. Yes it’s expensive, but to replace for something better will cost even more, a lot more!
Hi, warm hello from France. I generally only speak about what I know despite of usual legends (road bearings, Throttle actuators...) I bought a 2013 e 93 M3 on jan 2020, after 4 years of ownership and 20 000 kms I ownly have 2 thing I can complain about2 things:
1) fuel consumption : 30€ will last you only 100 kilometers.
2) I wld like to have the roof down old the time to ear non stop the induction noise of that F1 derived beast out of Landshut.
Unfortunatelly I live in north of France.
This is a future collectible... last coupe m3 last N/A m3, only V8 M3, only coupe convertible M3.
That car is a Unicorn it will stay in history.
Nice. If u can drive it till 500k high mileage will be great. But i guess the petrol n expense might be not justifiable
I own a E90 M3 Comp . Never had any issues at all ! Sucks hearing about other owners having experiences like this and bringing the platform down in a way ! All the best for the future mate
I had 3.5 years trouble free with my 2013 dct. Only issue was a brake vacuum servo sensor which went. Only the specialist knew it was that. RAC had a million codes thrown up on their computer. Never did rods never did actuators. Just service and tyres. Sold it but would have it back if it wasn't for road tax at £700 and only gonna go up
You guys get punished for these in UK. Have 2011 manual, 2nd owner for 6yrs, only 56k miles, done nothing but fluids and tires. Here in Commifornia it's relatively affordable I guess.
@@Mrbfgray fuel also. Equivalent of over $7 per gallon
@@ksm1985 Right, I was thinking that would be the biggest cost, in the US it's less than $4, which is high for us, but it's around $5 for "premium" here in Cali, we pay a tax for our terrible state politics.
if you ever sell this let me know I really want it
He really does love this train station car park doesn’t he
You shouldve make this your track tool and the GOLF R.. :D
I could listen to that V8 sound all day long 🔥🔥
Box ticked ur happy job done ✔️
Yeah just get rid you have muxh faster and better stuff in your stable. Best wishes
The part where you said you have spent as much on the car in 18 months as you bought it has put me off. Are these cars really temperamental?
I've got a 2008 E92 M3 and it still drives like a dream. 104,000 miles and never had a problem. A truly great car although I prefer the 2000 E46 I had for the driving experience!
Those down shifts.. 😅👌
I’ve had my 2010 e92 M3 for 4 years and I’ve only replaced an idler pulley and an o2 sensor and that’s it the most reliable car I’ve ever owned
I had to do my starter motor as well when mine went in my E92 M3. Still was an amazing car.
How much did it cost (parts and labour)? There is a "hack" where you can buy a new one, take the innards out of the old one and put the new gubbins into the old housing, which means you don't need to remove the starter, which I gather is a mammoth task. I'd appreciate it if you could reply to let me know 🙏🙏
@@rossfripp4503 £600 - £700 back in 2019? That was for new starter motor and the labour time to do it due it being located right in the centre of the engine unfortunately. I had to jump start my car for a while until it was done.
@@rossfripp4503I done it myself a few weeks ago not too much of a job just very fiddly. Took me 5 hours but saved £700
I can honestly see why its broken most of the time if thats how you drive all the time🤣 its funny though🤣
That doesn’t make any sense at all.
@Dou6.2 well if you're ragging and drifting a car that is know to be unreliable, it will eventually break a lot sooner than if it wasn't. It's funny because he's slating how unreliable it is but drifting it round corners.. hope that clears it up for what seems to be, only you that's confused
Drive it what it’s meant for I say
How much to change the starter motor?
They prob changed him 600-750
$23,300
Get a modified 3 door cosworth next anf try flooring it in the damp in a bend .. see howu get on
Can’t wait to see the S1 on the road. Would like to see you do a stage 2 or 3 tune on it. I’ve got an E46 M3 CS which was my daily drive, but recently bought an S1 to use as a daily to save the M3 a bit. Got to say that the S1 is a great fast daily for shooting around the back streets in 👍🏼
Love my E92 M3! Its my only car and I sometimes wonder about selling it and getting something more efficient and practical, however when i drive it i always enjoy it. So that leads me to believe to keep it and do the mods I want and to get another fun daily car.
I had a limited M3 E92 in Santorini Blue,,,,,,one of 500 and it was truly worth every penny of the £14,000 i paid for it everyday was a buzz just driving ,,,,,never buy parts off ebay? Its like dating a
super model and taking her shopping to a carboot sale ?unfortunately a lengthy driving ban forced it's sale i just couldn't stand looking at it for 17 months? ,,,,,Gutted !!! But have to pay tbe piper
DAVE NORFOLK U.K. 👍🏼
Should have brought the 335i sport N54, you would love that, iv got one there good.
Why? Massive down grade and tons more issues
@@RotrexfezST why because I've had mine for over 3 years ,from standard, iv had k&n ,back box ,intercooler, charge pipe & stage 1 map which produces 420 hp ,reliable hp,which i thrash daily with my heavy foot, & nothing gone wrong so far 3 yrs strong,so ther you go.
@@sohale745 because it’s not just about power the whole m3 is a level above a 335i. Looks,chassis engine everything.
@@sohale745 I’ve 638hp for 4 years and 449 for 3 years before that I’ve had zero problems with the engine or car so I win LOL
@@RotrexfezST yeah,I agree, but you can't knock the n54,they are both brutal in there own little ways,the m3 is a bimma,the n54 is a beamer 👍🏽
What colour is that? Honestly it look mega!
It’s done/over get it sold, you have said yourself basically your not going to use it which will cause more gremlins…time for something else 👍🏼
Why not save the headache and buy a c6 vette?
Always carry a hammer in the car. Give the starter a few wacks if it won't start. Replace it or clean and inspect/replace brushes. Typically only brushes fail
Ragging around
will your next video be on the best tyres to buy for my M3
Love it don’t abuse it 😢
Cobra Nogaro seats are a fantastic alternative to pole positions. Probably easier to source over there and they’ll do custom fabric/stitching if you prefer
I agree I have these in my m3!
E9x M3 is the new Alfa Romeo. Love it when it works, sad when the maintenance monster rears its head
Just out of curiosity please can you let me know how much a new starter cost to get sorted (parts plus labour)? Just for my own future reference!
Replace it with the 6.2L C63 and compare them over time
i guess every car can be a daily driver if money is not an issue, but for mere mortals with even an above average salary owning this type of car is simply not viable.
except if you are a person who puts in all their money into their car - and i would argue thats not a good handling of resources.
Every high-performance car needs money spent as they get older and higher mileage.
Just put in an offer on an E93 M3, two owners, 30.000km.. wooop
That looks AND sounds absolutely INCREDIBLE! A proper race tuned high revving V8, you are a lucky geeza!
The sound of a clutch dying
“Can’t understand why I’ve had a lot of repairs…but it’s so fun to floor it constantly”
3:17 Casual Fishtailing, we see you. We do see you lol.
Between this and the e46 for me next . Going towards the e46 will have to be manual
You Know The Expression on Your Face While Sliding it Like A Gangster You Know Dam Well You Have No Regrets of Selling or if Your Looking into Buying A E92 M3 😂 but We Love the Content On This E92 M3 and What Plans Maybe You Having In The Pipeline
Keep up The Video's With These Video's
One of the best looking mid sized coupes ever made, absolutely love it.
The engine issues, and the general lack of low end torque, just spoil things a bit as an only car, but as a second car for sure would love one 🙂
My mates daughter dated a lad who was lucky enough to own one, in his 20's, and his engine ate itself and left him a 12 grand repair bill. It was repaired and seems fine now, but this issue does seem to be a case of 'when' it happens, and not 'if' it happens.
He paid £14 grand for it, and knew it would need money spending, a bit like you did, but he has spent well over £15 grand getting it 'right'.
Is it now worth £30 grand ?
I don't think so.
I paid £28.749 for a mint, 1 owner from new, 25,800 mile OG M2 which is almost 10 years 'newer' than his E92 M3.
I paid around 30k for my E90 a few years ago, probably still worth similar now as still yet to hit 20k miles and I have only spend money on consumables like tyres. The key here is not to buy a POS that needs everything replacing.
Engine destruction is not inevitable if the rod bearings are replaced (on top of routine maintenance and not thrashing it when cold of course). Sorry to hear of your son's engine destroying itself 🙁. Out of interest, did he report the case to any M3 forums?
Bought mine with 76k on the clock, only used as a weekend car and a couple of track days each year, now on 81k. I replaced the rod bearings (I'm a mechanic, so of course saving labour costs), TAs, clutch & f/wheel and front tyres were changed by previous owner. I replaced the rear tyres, 2 rear susp links, rear pads (I cooked them at Snetterton!) and front pads and discs last year (all pads are DS 2500s now). Bought car for 14.7k Nov 2019 when prices (by chance) were much lower! Not spent anywhere near £15k!😱
@@Assimilator1 I worked in the motor trade for many years, in parts departments, so I can appreciate the costs, and what can be saved if you do have the tools and knowledge to work on a car yourself.
I'm not sure if he is on any forums, it's not my 'son' you see, it's a lad my mate's daughter was dating, but we chatted often as I had a tuned M140i at the time so we had a lot in common.
Yours sounds like a well cared for example, and if you have the tools and knowledge to do the work, yes they are a great investment.
Sadly I see lots for sale with 50-60 thousand miles on, and no bearing replacement done yet, which (if you are not a mechanic and have to pay a garage) is now a £3500-£4000 job. Still a lot cheaper than a full rebuild if it eats itself of course !!
@ben2155 You paid £30k for yours, very good, but if it only has 20k miles on it now, it must have been a very low mileage example when you bought it, and hence why it cost 30 grand.
Unless you keep it in a garage forever though, the mileage will rise, and eventually you will have to do the shells, and unless you're a mechanic like the other gent I replied to, that's a big bill.
@@DjNikGnashers I thought a garage job for rod bearings would be about £2.5-3k?
@@Assimilator1 I guess it depends where in the UK you are, different areas have very different labour rates matey.
I estimated on a Jag dealership, but if you truest a good indy then I bet your estimate would be pretty much on the money.
Salt sucks, one thing right about West US, none of that crap. Have 2011 E92 M3, manual.
Unfortunately, BMW do not make cars to last 7 years plus anymore.
Give me a lexus isf any day of the week. Better looking, every bit as fun and INFINITELY more reliable
This guy is bitching way too much
It's a e92 m3 pay to play
I had a 2011 e92 m3 comp pack with 180k miles
And I did all the maintenance myself
Rod bearings/TA/bushings/suspension
No issue with the car
Just cut the crap too many people claim to be "car guys" but are scared about maintenance and spending money on it
Buy a camry if you want to save money
Terrific Joe 90 in an m3 NOT a good look.
I was going to get a E92 M3 but after watching all of your videos about it i think i done the right decision and got a m240i instead
Well if you drive it like a lunatic it will break..this engine can take piles of punishment handed to it
240i is not even in the same league. This is an m car not an m lite. If you want to drive a car you need an m3. If you want a soft road car that’s cheap to go fast but handles like a boat then you have the right car!
The sounds soooo great 🥰
Now it races remapped diesels.. pathetic performance for a 4.0l v8
I did n/a and gapped. 335d hybrid turbos and it could not pull from my m3. Especially high speed - it wasn’t build for straight line speed. It’s a precision tool.
Shouldve got a f80
Thanks you knocked some sense into me 😂
Said to you before I think - they aren't that great. You've ticked the box. Get rid for something lighter-weight although that kind of car won't be good for TH-cam views it will be good for your head. Why on earth did you Barry the car with that wrap?
Nice car deff 100% We own dope ass whips :-) b7 rs4 owner here will nevrr sell it so fun :-)
Your a45 isn’t the uks fastest!
I don't understand why it would have to be all or nothing with your M3 usage, e.g DD or selling it. Even if you never track it, how about as a weekend car, fun drives and the occasional trip? Mileage and costs much lower, and you'd still have a fun (and mental sounding!😁) car to enjoy. Although, yes having 4 cars is quite a few already!😉
Btw, at 13:46 , you're on my favourite road! 😁
Had my M3 4 years so far, no plans on selling it yet. I have to keep the miles low (just done 5k so far), as otherwise I simply couldn't afford to run it. I save it for the special drives & a couple of track days each year.🙂
I daily drive my supercharged e90 m3 and can say I’ve spent double the purchase price maintaining it but have loved every single second ❤ with no regrets, own one and it’ll all make sense.
They weigh loads so you'll get some decent money when you scrap it
Yep that bottom end isnt going to last long
Will be fine,I’m supercharged and it gets tracked and it’s been brilliant. So many people ain’t got a clue.
All M Beemers are money pits ££££
I had an E46 M3 Convertible Carbon Black first time round back in 03 and I got rid of it after 7 months......there weren't a day that went by that a Dash light didn't come on 🙄
Awful experience and I promised I'd never buy a BMW again ......there almost as bad as Renault ?
M3s have great engines but that's where it ends .....There electronics are what let's them down ?
I’ve had my E46 M3 CS for 18 years and up until recently used it daily - as long as you look after it and maintain it as required it’s a great car. Across all those years and 145k miles it broke down twice. It’s how you treat them !!
Newer ones are much different though, super reliable!
Stunning car maybe the best m3 ever ?
Monster car love the sound very bmw M
Great video good luck with everything going forward:) life is short enjoy
Great channel great presentation
Thank you
You should probably just keep it. Will go up in value.
Killer car. Awesome experience
What you are failing to understand/mention is that, all the stuff that has gone wrong during your ownership is what naturally happens at that age and mileage. You have effectively future proofed it now. It will be reliable for the next 60k for you or the next owner if you are silly enough to sell now.
Yeah no point selling after doing all this work
Any car is normally a love/hate experience. It's the positives that you remember however.
I guess anytime you get into older high performance cars there will always be a cost.
If you did sell it it'd be a great buy for someone because its previous owner took all the heat and has payed for all its repairs 😂
Hopefully have mine back on road next week too. I said its not a daily driver on evolve youtuber and you should see the volume of idiots whove likely never driven one telling me im wrong and they are great dailys. Total numpties. Evolve are going to say they a daily they get the money to fix them when they break! Must think im stupid.
Owned mine for 1 year and 1,000 miles on it. $1,851 in parts - Fuel breather valve, Idle Air Control $765, O2 sensor, Exhaust Donut, Power Steering Pump $475, belt tensioner. I did all the labor myself. I bought it for a track car and have not brought it to the track yet due to these minor issues. It was well taken care of before, but it's just BMW and these parts are wear items! Fun car overall and will go up in value for the cared for examples.
Stop beating the crap out of it and it may last for awhile .
Daily duties, e46 330i. Weekender, e92 m3
Chris slix put a super charger on his and now has north of 600 bhp
Buy a high mileage well taken care of m3. I bought 120k miles e90 m3. Excellent car