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It could locally be made into a fake eye by white. However, black can atari the lone white stone at 6-6, then atari again at 4-7 and eventually push through the top. It's a complicated read but you could interpret it as the 6-7 stone being partially dead.
Awesome, thank you, Stephanie. Eventually, after end game, please show us how to do the final scoring. So many of us play online and the computer scores for us. When I occasionally play live, I'm always dumbfounded by the exact way people fill in the board, including captures, to obtain the final score. Please help me/us not look so stupid. LOL Thank you for making these videos.
Hi Stephanie, I really enjoy your videos and feel like I'm learning a lot from you. I've started playing online and found that I don't know when to end my game. Would you please do a video on this? I am always uncertain if I should try to invade an area controlled by the opponent and if it is large enough for me to make 2 eyes in it or atleast how to reduce the opponents space without giving up too many of my stones.
As mentioned below, the central Black group is probably alive because of the aji at the top and driving the 7-7 stone towards it. I'm 2 dan and it's not a trivial position for me. The explanation on sente seems to rehearse arguments of traditional endgame theory, which is pretty confusing. Modern endgame theory, popularized by professional O Meien but also explained by Western amateurs Robert Jasiek, Bill Spight and European semi-pro Antti Tormanen, is more straightforward. For example "play large sente first" is a confusing advice, because if sente must be answered, why should the order of play matter? The advice is more relevant for gote moves, since those needn't be answered and so they can alternate. Those moves indeed need to be played in order of size. My own strategy in the endgame, under time pressure, is to remind myself that boundary plays in the vicinity of groups that are still vulnerable to attack, even though alive as they are, are more interesting than they may look because very likely to be answered. Another reminder is that liberties become scarce in the endgame, so be aware of (self) atari.
Thanks for sharing your view on endgame! Here's my two cents: All sente moves can be gote depending on how big the follow up is. In order to be precise, one has to verify that each follow up move is big enough. In ko situations, one might save smaller but more threatening sente moves. It is difficult for players to get this far, hence playing the biggest sente is still important. -- Ryan
It does look that way, but black plays 6-6. If you want that group to survive, you need to extend, and blacks follows it. White's left side is now in a world of trouble after 5-3
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Hello all, thanks for your support and your comments. Please stay tuned next week as our next lecture video will be about counting the final score after the end of the game. Don't go away!
why is the black group in the center alive?
It could locally be made into a fake eye by white. However, black can atari the lone white stone at 6-6, then atari again at 4-7 and eventually push through the top. It's a complicated read but you could interpret it as the 6-7 stone being partially dead.
white 7-8, then 6-7, 5-7, 4-7, 5-6, 4-6, 5-5 and if white pushes through 3-7 white just descends at 2-6, then what?
@@katapliksi2484 the White group on the right side. If you descend at 2-6, Black can block in sente at 2-7, then attack that group with 2-10.
Awesome, thank you, Stephanie. Eventually, after end game, please show us how to do the final scoring. So many of us play online and the computer scores for us. When I occasionally play live, I'm always dumbfounded by the exact way people fill in the board, including captures, to obtain the final score. Please help me/us not look so stupid. LOL Thank you for making these videos.
Cool One yes please..... help us how to count final points and know who wins a match.
This channel is so helpful and I am a beginner!
Thank you, very instructive and well-planned videó!
This lesson was awesome thank you a lot I didn't know the order to start end game and the importance of sente and gote.
I agree with cool one. please teach us how to count final points to know who wins. Thanks a lot
Hi Stephanie, I really enjoy your videos and feel like I'm learning a lot from you. I've started playing online and found that I don't know when to end my game. Would you please do a video on this? I am always uncertain if I should try to invade an area controlled by the opponent and if it is large enough for me to make 2 eyes in it or atleast how to reduce the opponents space without giving up too many of my stones.
beautiful
"We are in the endgame now"
As mentioned below, the central Black group is probably alive because of the aji at the top and driving the 7-7 stone towards it. I'm 2 dan and it's not a trivial position for me.
The explanation on sente seems to rehearse arguments of traditional endgame theory, which is pretty confusing. Modern endgame theory, popularized by professional O Meien but also explained by Western amateurs Robert Jasiek, Bill Spight and European semi-pro Antti Tormanen, is more straightforward.
For example "play large sente first" is a confusing advice, because if sente must be answered, why should the order of play matter? The advice is more relevant for gote moves, since those needn't be answered and so they can alternate. Those moves indeed need to be played in order of size.
My own strategy in the endgame, under time pressure, is to remind myself that boundary plays in the vicinity of groups that are still vulnerable to attack, even though alive as they are, are more interesting than they may look because very likely to be answered. Another reminder is that liberties become scarce in the endgame, so be aware of (self) atari.
Thanks for sharing your view on endgame! Here's my two cents: All sente moves can be gote depending on how big the follow up is. In order to be precise, one has to verify that each follow up move is big enough. In ko situations, one might save smaller but more threatening sente moves. It is difficult for players to get this far, hence playing the biggest sente is still important. -- Ryan
Jesus Christ, that's complex, thanks for tyhe video!
White can kill the center black group if it plays on 7th column (8th point from top).
That is not true, see their comment after black plays 6-6
It does look that way, but black plays 6-6. If you want that group to survive, you need to extend, and blacks follows it. White's left side is now in a world of trouble after 5-3
shes so smart n pretty
They use chinese rules in USA? (komi 7,5) - who knew.
yes, even @turtlemaroon even i feel that just starting first doesnt get u 7.5 points!
We're in the end game now.