A Ruger American Rimfire rifle is a step up on this for sure if someone really wants to use 10/22 mags. Though, I agree that a Savage MkII is probably a better bet overall at that price point.
I got my savage mkii for $159 earlier this year. My only complaint is the mag. Other than that, it's shooting nice groups (little over 1") at 100yds with a 1-4 viper pst in top. I think once I get a higher magnification optic on top, it should be sub moa with good ammo.
Totally agree with your statement about a kids rifle needing to be more accurate than this particular rifle. With kids Fun has a lot to do with shooting, (same could be said for adults) and not hitting your target or being able to show any sign of improvement would be frustrating and somewhat demoralizing to a new shooter. One of my rifles is a Savage Mark II that can be had for $250 and it would walk circles around this particular rifle. I'd love to get into a premium 22lr rifle setup, but I have too much fun reloading for precision with my larger calibers. Knowing the in inconsistencies in mass manufactured ammo on top of it being 22lr, I've been extremely happy with my Savage Mark II and my old Ruger 10/22 target.
What I enjoyed most, was watching your solutions to learn what be the best area to start testing upgrades. That is why I loved your 10/22 video as you went from stock to nearly totally upgrading everything. Maybe we will all run into a lemon of a rifle and goods to see what can be done, if you want to spend the additional money to do so. Thanks for taking the time to make what seemed to be a frustrating time with that rifle.
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Like your honesty. Would like to see you send it back to Springfield and see what they do. Double check your scope base and be sure there isn't an issue. I've had several that come factory mounted that had a burr sticking up from the threads in reciever.
Seen another channel send his off and they did absolutely nothing after keeping it for two months, sent it back still shooting awful. Seems BLAZER ammo is the only one that runs halfway decent.
I have never been a big 10/22 fan, but I am selling all my 22lr's and replacing them with various rugers, just for the fact you can have a gun cabinet full of 22lr's that use the same mags.
Thank you Josh for your efforts and time. I hope people at Remington see this and fix the problem or one of these days America is going to rate right down there where Japan use to be. In my day if it said made in Japan it was sub par. Now Japan make quality everything.
I'm honestly surprised at these results. I've put a few thousand rounds through mine and I've had nothing close to the feed and accuracy issues shown here. The trigger should absolutely be replaced, which is a shame and makes the value proposition questionable, but its at least a standard 700 trigger. What's mind boggling is that the factory trigger is adjustable, but it bottoms out at 4lbs, so I'm not sure why they bothered.
Josh I could see the frustration in your eye's brother love the video's even though I will never be a comp shooter I've watched a ton of you video's keep up the good work 👏 honestly is key
My SPFD 2020 also fails to feed reliably with Ruger mags. My 2020 RF will make the 1" with 3 shots at 50y guarantee but still basically not match accuracy, so can't sent it back and can't shoot matches with it. Also scoped mine and the barrel, crown and chambering looks ok. One thing I noticed on mine is that when I run my rod and cleaning patch down the bore it feels looser than all my other 22RF barrels. So all you out there telling Josh he did not do this or did not do that or did it wrong or send it back, you just might consider what he has showed you is what it is, its NOT GOOD.
Great video I was using cci standard Torqued my reciver bolts to 25 lbs made a big difference had no trouble with ruger mags at all but i did have issues with the eley as well sk ran fine cci aswell sk did the best semi auto but imo it does need a better barrel and maybe bedding the action but for the price it is what it is
Hey Josh, I will have to agree with you on all points. I had good results using 10/22 magazines, and my only feeding issues came with Eley Match & Eley Team ammo. The bullet design of the semi flat nose, I feel, plays a part. When shoot actual flat note bullets, I didn't see the feeding issue. As you, we will see if anyone starts making premium barrels for this gun. I like the aluminum mag well & trigger guard and how it mates up with the action. The conical breech face is interesting, to say the least. If the tuner couldn't help the accuracy, then that tells me the barrel is the issue. My guess is you will see Springfield coming out with a Gen 2 that will have better barrels and higher price points. Springfield, with being late to the gate, in having a 22lr rifle, did the quickest and cheapest thing they could do to get in on the fad. It a shame because there are some interesting engineering points with this rifle. I won't be putting any more money into this rifle until I see a premium barrel come out for it. To everyone on the Springfield 2020, buyer beware! Thanks for the review, Josh!
The conical breach is similar to what savage does on the b22 which has a threaded barrel, and a nut for headspace. The manufacturing can be done on a lathe, without the need for timed extractor slots, cut with a milling machine. Makes for a very solid barrel connection, with adjustable headspace (if threaded, with a barrel nut).
I get 1” groups at 50yards with shitty subsonic winchester bulk ammo. Idk wtf happened to your barrel but I would send it back. It’s the best made .22 out there for $379 price matched from brownells. Thick heavy barrel. Full size stock. Great threads. Excellent trigger when adjusted lighter. I really don’t understand why you would get a different trigger. Mine is so crisp and light I can bet it’s under 4pds. Factory set is 4pds. Any lighter and it’s just dangerous. This gun is a beast!! I have yet to try target or match ammo. Try augula super white blue yellow box
How about checking the crown? Maybe recrown the barrel ? Lap the barrel? My Ruger American Rimfire had accuracy issues I recrowned the barrel that helped then I lapped the barrel with JB Bore Paste now it shoots MOA at 50yds with TAC .22
Thanks for the informative clip Josh, honest review but you are a more patient man then me buddy I’m thinking it would make a great boat anchor or boomerang. Thanks Josh enjoyed your clip.
Well I was going to get this 22LR for a Christmas gift but after watching this video I'm not getting this junk of a bolt. Another gun slips out of my reach. I want a bolt 22 I have others but even my nylon 66 shoots better Thanks for your update
Hey Josh. How about having a play with the action screw torque setting. The guy over on Oh Shoot seemed to be shooting bug holes so there may be something there?? It would be interesting to see with the upgraded trigger. Only thing I would change is he loosened the screw and then as he increased the torque he wouldn't loosen the screw first. Doing it that way you have to overcome the friction of the screw head against the stock rather than having a smooth motion from 0 all the way to the desired torque.
I was hopeful that the 2nd video would show different results, especially with the aftermarket upgrades. I wanted to like this gun and might've bought a wood stock version but not likely now. Thanks for taking the time to do this. One question from someone who is NOT a target shooter, is there any chance that adjustments to the action screws might make a difference ? I have seen that on 22's before so just a suggestion.
Thanks for the video. My factory 10/22 FS Ruger shoots better groups with CCI ammo than yours did with the upgrades and better ammo. Sorry for your lemon, but thank you for the honest reviews on this rifle both times.
Owning other Springfield rifles (Waypoint 2020), I was very interested in what they produced with their 22lr platform. Thanks for the honest review, needless to say, I will NOT be purchasing one of these rifles. Keep it CZ457!
Clean the barrel and check the Crown with a Q-tip. Look for small fibers left by the Q-tip around the lands and grooves. If it has good ignition and a good crown its 400 dollar paper weight.
I just found your channel and love, love, love your speed video of grouping. That is a game changer for shooting videos. On a more pertinenet note, I highly, highly, highly most certainly recommend you get a Jewell trigger to try to improve accuracy on rifles that use that R700 platform. I am not usually into trolling, but Timney is not a game changer, in my holy opinion.
I have to say you may have gotten a linen. I was having some issues with mine initially, but then I re-torqued the receiver screw to 35 inch pounds and then the trigger guards screw to about 15 inch pounds as recommended by the manufacturer I was able to get half inch groups of 50 yards with CCI mini mags. I’m not sure if scrubbing the bore out with some JB bore paste helped as well but I have to disagree. Mine is a shooter.
One would think, trying to compete in the 22lr game, you need to put your best product out, Apparently, Springfield was just looking at selling a product, The customer base will sink this before it even get started .................
Thanks for the update and again honest review Josh, did you check that the barrel is indeed free floating in the stock ? and check the action bolt torque settings ? Also if you have a bore scope, it would be interesting to see if the chamber is cut in line with the bore.... It's interesting as 22plinkster's version seemed to shoot pretty good, which as you had already stated, just highlights quality control issues, some may be ok, then you'll also get some lemons...
I was waiting (rather impatiently) for this second trial. Thank you by the way, I was seriously considering this rifle. If one limited ones shooting to 10 yards, it wouldn't look so much like the turd, we now know it is. It would make a good future project , assuming you want to pull all your hair out and start drinking.
Have you tried working on bedding? Add a layer of aluminum tape to bedding area and then work on finding torque setting for bedding? From the node you shot - I’d start there and tweak bedding pressure starting at 5 in/lb and working up. Might get it be consistent? From experience, rifles that show ‘promise’ usually benefit from tweaking bedding pressure.
If Springfield really wanted a good product with these they should've made it compatible with 457 barrels. R700 trigger + 10/22 mags + 457 barrel compatibility would be the perfect combo for a turnkey factory option for NRL22 or PRS22.
I've watched several reviews of this rifle. Your attempt to tune it was insightful. None of the reviews produced accuracy any better than yours. It appears to be bad barrels. Is the barrel threaded into the receiver or wedged like the 10/22? I was waiting for my background check to clear and was going to buy one. But...that is defiantly a no go now.
Well, the rifle's barrel is just trash, unfortunately. I'm sure the bore diameter will be wider than it should be that's why it shoots horribly... As for your video, one more thumbs up from me. Great work mate!
Josh, Do you know if the barrel is threaded into the action? The Springfield Armory did not have that information when I called them today. I hope Elijah is going to have a Thanksgiving challenge. I think you should give us all a break and shoot the Springfield 2020 in his next challenge. LOL
Maybe lapping the barrel with some JB Bore bright like 100 strokes would help?. Or at this point and the way is shoots maybe lapping the barrel with some Comet or Ajax with the Blue Crystals. Will it help? prolly not, but it damn sure can't hurt it at this point. Always amazing to me how you can grab some 100 year old .22 and it shoots way better than expected and you buy a new one with all the technology we have and it's a Turd.
Hum, something specific, send it back to Springfield with both videos and ask them to test and rebarrel it with an actual Target barrel. I can't believe that they would sell something like this. Just a suggestion.
For the sake of science try putting it in a 700 chassis and single feed it, if itll fit. Also try I'd cut it back 1" and recrown it. If that doesn't the last thing possible is a custom barrel but it'd be a true waste of money at that point. If you have a friend that could cut the chamber off and recharger it. Or cast the chamber to see what it is. On a last idea, what about headspace? Is it correct?
In my experience, cheap 22 guns are not worth your time. if you want to get a 22 for a young one I still would avoid the cheap guns and just go with a cz 457 or something in that price rang. you get what you pay for. buy ones cry ones
The problem is that it’s not far from the Cz price point. My Cz 455 American will outshoot this all day everyday. Much better rifle for the money. Some of the wood stock Springfield 2020 22’s are close to $1000 msrp. That’s too big of a risk to take for something they advertise 1” at 50 yards. That guarantee is a joke lol. Most 22’s out there will shoot 1/2” or better at 50 with match ammo.
I picked this rifle up off the shelf at my LGS. Handled it, worked the action and trigger and put it back on the shelf. I mean You can buy a Tikka or CZ. If you are short on cash a Savage will murder this thing. No thanks.
Three things that might help is 1 bed the action and 2 try adjusting the action screws from 20 to 45 inch lbs in 5 in lb increments. Or just leave it in the store. Lol😂
These could've been pretty awesome rifles too. Can't believe they even started selling them and promoting them as accurate with the groups I keep seeing online lol.
Mine shoots decently. Just over moa at 100yds with cci sv. Would like to try some SK or Eley. Installed the cheapest Triggertech. Seems they’re just inconsistent. Some shoot and some don’t.
I have been disappointed with the demonstrated accuracy of these rifles. The models with the wood stocks are very attractive, but if they don't shoot... My wife and I are currently shooting a CZ 457 AT-One, and 2 Savage MKII BTV rifles. All three shoot under .5" at 50 yards with NO modifications. You did convince me to try a tuner on one of our rifles. 🤔
Thank you for two honest review videos on this rifle. I'd say remove the expensive hardware and do a video colab with the shredding machine guys. Thank you for taking time to film, edit and post this video.
I think that weird nipple thing in the breech is the problem, I don’t own when of these, but I was able to load one in my friends store and every round that I ejected came out deformed
I went through this same process and same if not worse results. Have you talked to Springfield at all if so I’m interested what you heard from them. I’m currently working on getting a new barrel blank and going to see about barrel swapping it now worst factory 22 besides how decent the action feels
Ya I guess I mean I was crossed between getting the cz 457 or this one I liked this one cause it's flush were rhr magazine loads but cz seems to fbe the better pick
I have contacted Springfield informing them of the horrible accuracy and inconsistent groupings. They want it back to see what they can do with it. Im guessing I shouldn't have a little hope they will give me back my money?
Mine at 50 yds was getting .5 moa but I was having extracting issues like you did. Also, mine hates Ruger mags as well. They get stuck in the gun. Any idea on a fix for extracting or the mags?
What if you put a small amount of pressure on the barrel with something like a piece of foam. Ive done that in the past where the barrel being free floating wasnt idea for it and that little bit of contact with a piece of foam or cork made a difference.
Gun manufacturers use words like "target" and "tactical" to sell their goods. Even CCI has gotten on the target wagon. I recently bought some plain old CCI Mini Mags and plastered on the label is target. I guess it's true I shot at a target and actually hit it so yep, it's target ammunition. Throw some Mini Mags in that Springy and shoot some steel (6" discs or larger) at longer ranges and you will sell a bunch of them. 😁
"Only accurate rifles are interesting." I don't want to see this one again. Give it to Scott, over at Kentucky Ballistics, and see if he can blow it up.
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Now we know why there isn't too many reviews on this rifle.... Thanks for the video dude!
Thanks, Josh. I'm glad you done the review on this rifle and saved me the anguish. 😢
A Ruger American Rimfire rifle is a step up on this for sure if someone really wants to use 10/22 mags. Though, I agree that a Savage MkII is probably a better bet overall at that price point.
The savage mark ii fv-sr is $230 and blows that rifle away
I got my savage mkii for $159 earlier this year. My only complaint is the mag. Other than that, it's shooting nice groups (little over 1") at 100yds with a 1-4 viper pst in top. I think once I get a higher magnification optic on top, it should be sub moa with good ammo.
@@Brian-rq8hi you can't beat them honestly
@@Brian-rq8hido I need to shoot better than 1 inch groups at 100 yards to hunt squirrels?
You have saved me $400 and I appreciate it.
Totally agree with your statement about a kids rifle needing to be more accurate than this particular rifle. With kids Fun has a lot to do with shooting, (same could be said for adults) and not hitting your target or being able to show any sign of improvement would be frustrating and somewhat demoralizing to a new shooter. One of my rifles is a Savage Mark II that can be had for $250 and it would walk circles around this particular rifle.
I'd love to get into a premium 22lr rifle setup, but I have too much fun reloading for precision with my larger calibers. Knowing the in inconsistencies in mass manufactured ammo on top of it being 22lr, I've been extremely happy with my Savage Mark II and my old Ruger 10/22 target.
Side note: Does the crown on that barrel look okay?
Good and honest review as usual. I appreciate that you tried your best to give this gun a chance. It just doesn't deserve it.
What I enjoyed most, was watching your solutions to learn what be the best area to start testing upgrades. That is why I loved your 10/22 video as you went from stock to nearly totally upgrading everything. Maybe we will all run into a lemon of a rifle and goods to see what can be done, if you want to spend the additional money to do so. Thanks for taking the time to make what seemed to be a frustrating time with that rifle.
We appreciate all your hard work on this.
I took EC's advise and duct taped a 1 1/4" HF 1/2" drive socket to the end of my 2020, boy does it help and the duct tape makes adjustments easy, world class shooter promoting WC equipment, hell yea brother!
Edit. - Don't do this mod, it is a joke, and EC does not approve of this message, except on April 1st then its fine
So anyone have any tips for removing duct tape residue from a barrel?
WD-40, it also removes bumper sticker adhesive residue.
Like your honesty. Would like to see you send it back to Springfield and see what they do. Double check your scope base and be sure there isn't an issue. I've had several that come factory mounted that had a burr sticking up from the threads in reciever.
Seen another channel send his off and they did absolutely nothing after keeping it for two months, sent it back still shooting awful. Seems BLAZER ammo is the only one that runs halfway decent.
Having it say Retay, made in Turkey on the barrel pretty much says it all in my experience
Glad i found ur videos. I was ready to buy one of these. And think im definitely going to hold off now
Lapua center x and 25 in lbs torque on the action screws has allowed me to get consistent 5/8-3/4 groups at 57 yds. I should have just bought the cz.
I have never been a big 10/22 fan, but I am selling all my 22lr's and replacing them with various rugers, just for the fact you can have a gun cabinet full of 22lr's that use the same mags.
Last year, I asked you about using a barrel tuner and you asnwered, you don’t need to…!
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Great channel, great content.👍🏼
Thank you
Yeah ive never had consistent results with them. I think your better off with no tuner and lot testing when possible for nrl and prs style shooting
Thank you Josh for your efforts and time. I hope people at Remington see this and fix the problem or one of these days America is going to rate right down there where Japan use to be. In my day if it said made in Japan it was sub par. Now Japan make quality everything.
Remington has nothing to do with this rifle, this is a new offering from Springfield Armory.
I'm honestly surprised at these results. I've put a few thousand rounds through mine and I've had nothing close to the feed and accuracy issues shown here. The trigger should absolutely be replaced, which is a shame and makes the value proposition questionable, but its at least a standard 700 trigger. What's mind boggling is that the factory trigger is adjustable, but it bottoms out at 4lbs, so I'm not sure why they bothered.
Josh I could see the frustration in your eye's brother love the video's even though I will never be a comp shooter I've watched a ton of you video's keep up the good work 👏 honestly is key
You can only polish a turd so much, thanks for the update, I'll be adding a link on RFC
My SPFD 2020 also fails to feed reliably with Ruger mags. My 2020 RF will make the 1" with 3 shots at 50y guarantee but still basically not match accuracy, so can't sent it back and can't shoot matches with it. Also scoped mine and the barrel, crown and chambering looks ok. One thing I noticed on mine is that when I run my rod and cleaning patch down the bore it feels looser than all my other 22RF barrels. So all you out there telling Josh he did not do this or did not do that or did it wrong or send it back, you just might consider what he has showed you is what it is, its NOT GOOD.
Great video I was using cci standard Torqued my reciver bolts to 25 lbs made a big difference had no trouble with ruger mags at all but i did have issues with the eley as well sk ran fine cci aswell sk did the best semi auto but imo it does need a better barrel and maybe bedding the action but for the price it is what it is
Good info. I'll give that a try.
Good stuff Josh!! Thanks for the review.. kinda surprised actually Springfield usually has some pretty squared away stuff.
Great review and really appreciate your feedback. I’ll stick with the savage at that price point.
Hey Josh, I will have to agree with you on all points. I had good results using 10/22 magazines, and my only feeding issues came with Eley Match & Eley Team ammo. The bullet design of the semi flat nose, I feel, plays a part. When shoot actual flat note bullets, I didn't see the feeding issue.
As you, we will see if anyone starts making premium barrels for this gun. I like the aluminum mag well & trigger guard and how it mates up with the action. The conical breech face is interesting, to say the least. If the tuner couldn't help the accuracy, then that tells me the barrel is the issue. My guess is you will see Springfield coming out with a Gen 2 that will have better barrels and higher price points.
Springfield, with being late to the gate, in having a 22lr rifle, did the quickest and cheapest thing they could do to get in on the fad. It a shame because there are some interesting engineering points with this rifle.
I won't be putting any more money into this rifle until I see a premium barrel come out for it. To everyone on the Springfield 2020, buyer beware! Thanks for the review, Josh!
The conical breach is similar to what savage does on the b22 which has a threaded barrel, and a nut for headspace. The manufacturing can be done on a lathe, without the need for timed extractor slots, cut with a milling machine. Makes for a very solid barrel connection, with adjustable headspace (if threaded, with a barrel nut).
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I wasn't aware that it had been made by another company. I haven't had any experience with Savage rifles. Thank you for the enlightenment.
Nice review I say put a barrel on it and see if it shoots
After watching this I watched about 4 other reviewers and you are the only one that didnt like it. They all claimed that they didnt buy it either
I paid for mine. It sucks. Thats the truth
I get 1” groups at 50yards with shitty subsonic winchester bulk ammo. Idk wtf happened to your barrel but I would send it back. It’s the best made .22 out there for $379 price matched from brownells. Thick heavy barrel. Full size stock. Great threads. Excellent trigger when adjusted lighter. I really don’t understand why you would get a different trigger. Mine is so crisp and light I can bet it’s under 4pds. Factory set is 4pds. Any lighter and it’s just dangerous. This gun is a beast!! I have yet to try target or match ammo. Try augula super white blue yellow box
Below 4lbs on a trigger is not dangerous. People shoot prs and nrl with 8-10 oz triggers every day without an issue.
@@PursuitofAccuracyin a purely hunting scenario I believe 8oz triggers are obviously unnecessary
Thanks Josh for your honesty. Blessings
How about checking the crown? Maybe recrown the barrel ? Lap the barrel?
My Ruger American Rimfire had accuracy issues I recrowned the barrel that helped then I lapped the barrel with JB Bore Paste now it shoots MOA at 50yds with TAC .22
I was waiting for your review on this rifle just to have one but you changed my mind now I’m getting a Springfield Prodigy
Wow, on the bright side, at least you can reuse the trigger and tuner. Good luck offloading that rifle. Thank you for your troubles.
Thanks for the informative clip Josh, honest review but you are a more patient man then me buddy I’m thinking it would make a great boat anchor or boomerang. Thanks Josh enjoyed your clip.
Thank you for saving me from the frustration.
Love the honesty
Well I was going to get this 22LR for a Christmas gift but after watching this video I'm not getting this junk of a bolt. Another gun slips out of my reach. I want a bolt 22 I have others but even my nylon 66 shoots better
Thanks for your update
I'd suggest single feeding. To see if the rifle is mangling rounds when loading.
That's not a bad idea. Especially since it had problems with Ruger mags.
I tried single feed and saw a slight improvement in groups@@hopefloats7573
Hey Josh. How about having a play with the action screw torque setting. The guy over on Oh Shoot seemed to be shooting bug holes so there may be something there?? It would be interesting to see with the upgraded trigger. Only thing I would change is he loosened the screw and then as he increased the torque he wouldn't loosen the screw first. Doing it that way you have to overcome the friction of the screw head against the stock rather than having a smooth motion from 0 all the way to the desired torque.
Congrats on the 3rd place today! Didn't get to say hi but it was fun shooting today.
I was hopeful that the 2nd video would show different results, especially with the aftermarket upgrades. I wanted to like this gun and might've bought a wood stock version but not likely now. Thanks for taking the time to do this. One question from someone who is NOT a target shooter, is there any chance that adjustments to the action screws might make a difference ? I have seen that on 22's before so just a suggestion.
They can make a difference but from my exerience nothing but a barrel is going to fix that rifle
Thanks for the video. My factory 10/22 FS Ruger shoots better groups with CCI ammo than yours did with the upgrades and better ammo. Sorry for your lemon, but thank you for the honest reviews on this rifle both times.
Owning other Springfield rifles (Waypoint 2020), I was very interested in what they produced with their 22lr platform. Thanks for the honest review, needless to say, I will NOT be purchasing one of these rifles. Keep it CZ457!
So I would like to see it with an aftermarket premium barrel... I think the bones are there, just not a barrel... build it if possible
Clean the barrel and check the Crown with a Q-tip. Look for small fibers left by the Q-tip around the lands and grooves. If it has good ignition and a good crown its 400 dollar paper weight.
Ive borescoped and checked this thing over and over. The barrel in general is a turd. I wouldnt even let it hold my papers
Good video, please wait and find a barrel for it. Everyone changes their stocks to a chassis, maybe that helps with this particular rifle?
I just found your channel and love, love, love your speed video of grouping. That is a game changer for shooting videos. On a more pertinenet note, I highly, highly, highly most certainly recommend you get a Jewell trigger to try to improve accuracy on rifles that use that R700 platform. I am not usually into trolling, but Timney is not a game changer, in my holy opinion.
Ive shot a jewell, they are nice but ive always had great results and reliability from the timney hits.
I would rather have a CZ 457 all day long!
I have to say you may have gotten a linen. I was having some issues with mine initially, but then I re-torqued the receiver screw to 35 inch pounds and then the trigger guards screw to about 15 inch pounds as recommended by the manufacturer I was able to get half inch groups of 50 yards with CCI mini mags. I’m not sure if scrubbing the bore out with some JB bore paste helped as well but I have to disagree. Mine is a shooter.
One would think, trying to compete in the 22lr game, you need to put your best product out,
Apparently, Springfield was just looking at selling a product, The customer base will sink this
before it even get started .................
Does Lilja make a barrel for it? If so, that's the next $ I'd spend.
Ive had box stock 10/22's that would outshoot this thing.
Have you borescoped it ? Bet that'd be interesting.
Thanks for the update and again honest review Josh, did you check that the barrel is indeed free floating in the stock ? and check the action bolt torque settings ? Also if you have a bore scope, it would be interesting to see if the chamber is cut in line with the bore....
It's interesting as 22plinkster's version seemed to shoot pretty good, which as you had already stated, just highlights quality control issues, some may be ok, then you'll also get some lemons...
New barrel !!! New barrel !!!☺ Actually how about 200 passes of JB Bore paste on a nylon brush?
I was waiting (rather impatiently) for this second trial. Thank you by the way, I was seriously considering this rifle. If one limited ones shooting to 10 yards, it wouldn't look so much like the turd, we now know it is.
It would make a good future project , assuming you want to pull all your hair out and start drinking.
Have you tried working on bedding? Add a layer of aluminum tape to bedding area and then work on finding torque setting for bedding? From the node you shot - I’d start there and tweak bedding pressure starting at 5 in/lb and working up. Might get it be consistent? From experience, rifles that show ‘promise’ usually benefit from tweaking bedding pressure.
Man that’s sad. I have a 2020 Waypoint. Absolutely love it. Got excited about this gun. Guess I’ll stick with the ol trusty CZ.
If Springfield really wanted a good product with these they should've made it compatible with 457 barrels. R700 trigger + 10/22 mags + 457 barrel compatibility would be the perfect combo for a turnkey factory option for NRL22 or PRS22.
Haha nice vid mate, you need to do more of these 💯
I've watched several reviews of this rifle. Your attempt to tune it was insightful. None of the reviews produced accuracy any better than yours. It appears to be bad barrels. Is the barrel threaded into the receiver or wedged like the 10/22? I was waiting for my background check to clear and was going to buy one. But...that is defiantly a no go now.
I would be interested in seeing what the bore and crown looks like. ever put a scope down the barrel?
Well, the rifle's barrel is just trash, unfortunately. I'm sure the bore diameter will be wider than it should be that's why it shoots horribly... As for your video, one more thumbs up from me. Great work mate!
Tuner helped a lot.
Josh, Do you know if the barrel is threaded into the action? The Springfield Armory did not have that information when I called them today. I hope Elijah is going to have a Thanksgiving challenge. I think you should give us all a break and shoot the Springfield 2020 in his next challenge. LOL
To get nice group its 3 things you need barrel,bedding,bullets
How about testing the action screw torque or bedding the action.
Mine shoots 3/8" 5 shot at 50. Aguilla super extra copper 40 gr. At 35 in. Pounds on both action screws😊
Maybe lapping the barrel with some JB Bore bright like 100 strokes would help?. Or at this point and the way is shoots maybe lapping the barrel with some Comet or Ajax with the Blue Crystals. Will it help? prolly not, but it damn sure can't hurt it at this point. Always amazing to me how you can grab some 100 year old .22 and it shoots way better than expected and you buy a new one with all the technology we have and it's a Turd.
Josh, I must ask then, what are your recommendations for a better 22LR? Perhaps you already have a video of your top picks.
Hum, something specific, send it back to Springfield with both videos and ask them to test and rebarrel it with an actual Target barrel. I can't believe that they would sell something like this.
Just a suggestion.
For the sake of science try putting it in a 700 chassis and single feed it, if itll fit. Also try I'd cut it back 1" and recrown it. If that doesn't the last thing possible is a custom barrel but it'd be a true waste of money at that point. If you have a friend that could cut the chamber off and recharger it. Or cast the chamber to see what it is.
On a last idea, what about headspace? Is it correct?
In my experience, cheap 22 guns are not worth your time. if you want to get a 22 for a young one I still would avoid the cheap guns and just go with a cz 457 or something in that price rang. you get what you pay for. buy ones cry ones
Or some quality gun on the second hand market
The problem is that it’s not far from the Cz price point. My Cz 455 American will outshoot this all day everyday. Much better rifle for the money. Some of the wood stock Springfield 2020 22’s are close to $1000 msrp. That’s too big of a risk to take for something they advertise 1” at 50 yards. That guarantee is a joke lol. Most 22’s out there will shoot 1/2” or better at 50 with match ammo.
I bought a 457 in April and a beat up Remington 540X in June with a frosted barrel. The CZ can’t tough the old Remington
Not that much more to get a Tikka!!
Savage
I picked this rifle up off the shelf at my LGS. Handled it, worked the action and trigger and put it back on the shelf. I mean You can buy a Tikka or CZ. If you are short on cash a Savage will murder this thing. No thanks.
Three things that might help is 1 bed the action and 2 try adjusting the action screws from 20 to 45 inch lbs in 5 in lb increments.
Or just leave it in the store. Lol😂
The third option is the most appealing to me 🤣
Josh, what was the model of that tuner? Thanks.
Are you still working on that shoot grip, trigger pull etc vid?😊 JimE
These could've been pretty awesome rifles too. Can't believe they even started selling them and promoting them as accurate with the groups I keep seeing online lol.
Reminds me of the Bergara BXR. All the fancy parts and still shoots like a Walmart 10/22.
Mine shoots decently. Just over moa at 100yds with cci sv. Would like to try some SK or Eley. Installed the cheapest Triggertech. Seems they’re just inconsistent. Some shoot and some don’t.
It would be interesting to know if it could be re-barreled by Kenny (DPG). It maybe a real cheap rifle perfect to customize into a precision rimfire.
I have been disappointed with the demonstrated accuracy of these rifles. The models with the wood stocks are very attractive, but if they don't shoot...
My wife and I are currently shooting a CZ 457 AT-One, and 2 Savage MKII BTV rifles. All three shoot under .5" at 50 yards with NO modifications.
You did convince me to try a tuner on one of our rifles. 🤔
Thank you for two honest review videos on this rifle. I'd say remove the expensive hardware and do a video colab with the shredding machine guys. Thank you for taking time to film, edit and post this video.
I think that weird nipple thing in the breech is the problem, I don’t own when of these, but I was able to load one in my friends store and every round that I ejected came out deformed
I went through this same process and same if not worse results. Have you talked to Springfield at all if so I’m interested what you heard from them. I’m currently working on getting a new barrel blank and going to see about barrel swapping it now worst factory 22 besides how decent the action feels
I havent talked to them. I probably wont pursue anything from them
Definitely recrown !!! If it doesn’t shoot then throw it in the trash.
Ship it back to Springfield and see what they say about it and will they fix it. If you got a lemon, will they at least make it right?
I doubt they will fix it because it’s shooting close to their guarantee. 1” at 50 yards with premium ammo.
Check the action screw torque.
I'm sure he did when he installed the trigger.
That will be one I won't buy, I shot .24 groups this morning with my Savage mark II, using eley target all stock, Thanks for sharing
I would move it along, BUT A NEW BULL BARREL would probably help.
Ya I guess I mean I was crossed between getting the cz 457 or this one
I liked this one cause it's flush were rhr magazine loads but cz seems to fbe the better pick
its the barrel obviously. set it back and rechamber. no skip that take your trigger and tuner off and trash the rest
I have contacted Springfield informing them of the horrible accuracy and inconsistent groupings. They want it back to see what they can do with it. Im guessing I shouldn't have a little hope they will give me back my money?
Mine at 50 yds was getting .5 moa but I was having extracting issues like you did. Also, mine hates Ruger mags as well. They get stuck in the gun. Any idea on a fix for extracting or the mags?
Check bedding?
Pitty it shoots bad..
Few good features
Can you link the adress of trigger and tunner. The same model that installed on your rifle
Thanks
What if you put a small amount of pressure on the barrel with something like a piece of foam. Ive done that in the past where the barrel being free floating wasnt idea for it and that little bit of contact with a piece of foam or cork made a difference.
Try Winchester super x 40 grain hollow point yellow box with the squirrel on it. Great accuracy. You will be surprised
I will stick to my Rugers and Savages. Springfield has a long road ahead of them to come up with a decent .22.
Maybe recrown it.
I was thinking crown issue as well, unless there is something going on with too much slop in the head spacing.
why bother
I appreciate your candor. Would you mind having the barrel recrowned and then shooting a few more group? Thank you, e.
about 3 more K and you got it brother!!!
Gun manufacturers use words like "target" and "tactical" to sell their goods. Even CCI has gotten on the target wagon. I recently bought some plain old CCI Mini Mags and plastered on the label is target. I guess it's true I shot at a target and actually hit it so yep, it's target ammunition. Throw some Mini Mags in that Springy and shoot some steel (6" discs or larger) at longer ranges and you will sell a bunch of them. 😁
Could you do a tuner test on a savage mark ii? I want to see how much improvement can be squeezed out of the gun.
"Only accurate rifles are interesting." I don't want to see this one again. Give it to Scott, over at Kentucky Ballistics, and see if he can blow it up.
How close is the receiver to a Remington 700 . Could be a good way to get an action and custom build it.