I reported the issue to the NHSTA. I have a 2024 Versa S MT and it has stalled twice with reduced power as a result. Once at 90mi. and once at 2654mi. Both times required several minutes of key off to reset to normal power levels. It sure was frustrating! Thanks to your videos, I am armed with information and a work around.
@@youtoobe169 so I have been staling it all day on purpose . I think the solution is to completely remove the key and restart again instead of leaving the key in and starting right after staling the car
This happened to me today in my 23 versa. I didn’t turn the key enough and when I pulled out of the parking lot I virtually had no power to accelerate up to speed. The crazy thing was I had just watched this video and immediately pulled over and restarted the car. After that the car had full power. Definitely a huge safety concern because I had no indication that I had reduced power…I didn’t notice any engine light on or rough idle or anything until I actually started to speed up….I will be notifying Nissan Canada about this asap. Thanks for the great content! Keep up the amazing work.
Thats’s ridiculous. I have been driving manuals for 40 years and still have an occasional stall. Also, my 16 year old is looking for his first car and wants a manual. I fully expect he’ll stall it on occasion. Cars should be able to handle this without making one a sitting duck in traffic.@@Nate_HarietteTH-cam_Adventure
Just found out about this thing and did some binging of your vids. I may get one granted it’s 18k flat 5 speed manual 2600 pounds 122hp. Not a bad spec in the early 2000s. People have grown out of these cars into huge suvs but the thrill of a sub 3000 pound manual is unmatched.
I bought the 23 Versa S manual one year ago and have put over 8000 miles on it. Cumulative MPG shows 41.8 on the dash. Great car. I have stalled it 3 times, but never had the loss of power issue. The only issue I have noticed is that the blower fan seems to go up and down in speed (slightly) when driving. This is most noticed when the fan position is on high. This started on day one. The A/C still blows cold. It could be related to engine RPMs. Does any one else notice this? Thanks for all the great Versa videos. I've watched them all more than once.
I filed a complaint. I have a 2022 Nissan Versa (regular model) 5-Speed. First happened to me about a year after I bought the car and thought nothing of it. Has happened two more times since. Happens to me when you don't turn the key quite enough and the vehicle stalls when starting. The vehicle enters a limp mode with almost no acceleration. The max speed seems to be around 55mph and takes 30+ seconds to hit that speed. If I turn the car off, wait 15 seconds, and then restart the car. The problem is fixed. Seems to me like Nissan must have incorrectly programmed the computer in some way.
And this is most definitely a safety issue. If you are making a turn and don't realize the limp mode has occurred (no acceleration) a collision can definitely happen. Also extremely dangerous to be going low speeds on the freeway.
Please make sure to file a complaint with NHTSA at the link I provided. That is the only way we will be able to force Nissan to fix this. Have you taken it to the dealer?
Had this happen to me twice with my 2024. I brought it in and they did an obd scan. They looked into past complaints and responses from Nissan. Nissan's past reponses cite operator error as the cause and the fix is to restart the vehicle. Fortunately, the service department wasn't satisfied with that and wanted to replicate the issue. When the technician was able to replicate it with one stall, they kept the car. This was 4 days or so. I was told that it will be another week because nissan is coming out with a software update for the issue. Tldr; I was told that Nissan will have a software update for the issue in a week or so.
I have a 2024 and this just happened to me about 10 mins ago. I went to the gas station and on my way home I stalled it and had basically no power the rest of the way home. This has happened 2 other times since I’ve had the car (just got it on the 12th). Just filed a complaint
I have a 2024. I have the same issue. It's happened 2x. Both times I let go of the key too soon and it didn't get a good start and died. Then I couldn't accelerate above 60.
My v also is affected by this i find if you don't even restart the car and clear the Camshaft code it will fix it. i keep an obdlink mx+ in my obd2 port as a temp guage
If you don't mind, can you take 5 minutes to file a complaint with NHTSA? I am trying to get them to issue a software update. There are some less savvy non-car people out there who could get into a dangerous situation because of this.
Thanks youtoobe169 for the video, and thanks to all who chimed in with their experience. This M/T Versa was near the top of my list, so I'm super bummed that I'll likely pass on it. Especially since I had planned to teach my wife how to drive a manual, I know she would stall many times and this limp mode issue would be a big worry. I'm so sad that there are no more new, small, cheap stick-shifts to buy.
@@youtoobe169 Since you're my Versa guru, I'd like to get your advice on this: should I still get the 2025 Versa M/T now despite the limp mode issue? My hope would be that either there is a recall soon or my car is lucky enough to not have that problem. I went to the LA Auto Show today and sat in both of my top choices: the Versa and the GTI, and I just like the Versa's vibe more. Maybe it's because I'm old, and the Versa reminds me of the simpler cars of my youth. Or maybe it's just typical human psychology - we always want what we can't have.
@@okeh_donkeh I've never had a repeat of the power loss issue except the first day I owned the car. I did stall it once but it never triggered the issue, so it seems to happen under very specific conditions. You can always test drive the '25 and "bunp" the key buy don't hold it on long enough to start it, then see if it loses power. It would all come down to how often you think you'd stall it. It's very easy to modulate the clutch.
I’m having that exact same issue, but mine happens if it’s a little loose, gravel or wet in the tires may spin I live down a dirt road, and then it goes in limit mode and then you had to shut it off and turn it back on. I’ll reset it with my scan to have you got it fixed
I wondered something, what does it actually do to go into reduced power mode after a stall. I wondered where the reduced speed in this mode is enforced from. * Is there a speed governor in this car? * Does this engage the security immobilizer or e-brake perhaps? * Is it done in the emission control? * Does it cut the Engine RPMs internally? * Does it shut down an engine cylinder or two? * Are the pedals electronic and the actual speed is controlled by a computer output? * Other? These are my theories of where this could originate from. Seems like a weird glitch regardless.
@@youtoobe169 I have had it happen to me. But what is weird that the tachometer and RPMs seemed normal but the speed and acceleration were anemic in the mode. Which is why I theorize that the limp mode is enforced somewhere else, that is an electronic path controlling something that the pedals do not control. I almost wondered if the security immobilzer was somehow enabled, perhaps thinking this is a power-off and not a stall. If it detected the engagement by alternator voltage, a drop in voltage or a reduction to zero would falsely trigger the security system. I wonder if it is reading something that is a engine-on line versus a battery line somewhere. I also wonder if Nissan used the same version of the software in an automatic for this control and didn't accomodate manual transmission stalls. I also wonder if beta testing was suspended or cut back during the COVID-19 pandemic, and these were rushed to market. I also wonder if the chip shortage impacted this and they made circuit changes or redesigned things to omit a chip or sensor or something.
There are multiple ways these reduced power modes are enforced. One (and it seems to be the case for this car) is by limiting how far the throttle plate can open, so when you floor the accelerator you only get 25 or 30% throttle plate opening. Think of a block of wood under your gas pedal, but done electronically. They can also add on top of that an artificially low rev limiter, such as 3k rpm. And finally, they can also add an artificially low speed limiter, such as 30mph, etc... it all depends on the vehicle. This issue sounds like the first example, where the throttle opening is limited. It basically reduces max engine power. When stationary you can still rev it up, but when power is needed, you don't have it because the engine can't get enough air.
Reliability and low cost of repair are why I bought a manual transmission. It's my sixth NISSAN/DATSUN and third from this dealer. After it went into reduced power at 95mi on the odometer, I damn near bought a VW Jetta with a 6-speed manual.
I am considering to buy manual versa S 2023 as a college student getting it for 19k out of showroom. Should I go for it? Is it worth it? I really want a reliable car because the last one I had made me put more as compared to its actual value.
My personal opinion is that all things considered it's worth it and it's generally a good car. I have made several other videos about it you can check out if you like.
@youtoobe169 to be honest that's just what I read online I'm picking up my 25 versa in a few days the dealership had to ship it from a few states away since I wanted a manual
I will do it that, i just receive a call from my wife told me her car NIssan Versa 2024 lossing porwer , we have very happy but a just hit 5k and this problem come up
I reported the issue to the NHSTA. I have a 2024 Versa S MT and it has stalled twice with reduced power as a result. Once at 90mi. and once at 2654mi. Both times required several minutes of key off to reset to normal power levels. It sure was frustrating! Thanks to your videos, I am armed with information and a work around.
Thanks for filing a complaint. I am glad I was able to help!
@@youtoobe169I think my power did shut down too . I may not have bought this car if I had known this
@@protectork9831 The fact that you know it is good so you can be prepared if you ever stall it. Hopefully the fix will come soon.
@@youtoobe169 so I have been staling it all day on purpose . I think the solution is to completely remove the key and restart again instead of leaving the key in and starting right after staling the car
@@protectork9831 That makes sense. Maybe it resets when you pull the key out.
This happened to me today in my 23 versa. I didn’t turn the key enough and when I pulled out of the parking lot I virtually had no power to accelerate up to speed. The crazy thing was I had just watched this video and immediately pulled over and restarted the car. After that the car had full power. Definitely a huge safety concern because I had no indication that I had reduced power…I didn’t notice any engine light on or rough idle or anything until I actually started to speed up….I will be notifying Nissan Canada about this asap. Thanks for the great content! Keep up the amazing work.
Thank you! I hope Nissan issues a recall for this soon!
I have a 2014 Nissan Note 5 speed has 108,000 miles on it the 5-speed and I have plenty of torque
So is the fix to remove the key and restart?
It's an operator error issue only if you know hope to operate and drive properly it will never be an issue @@JamesBarton-Johns
Thats’s ridiculous. I have been driving manuals for 40 years and still have an occasional stall. Also, my 16 year old is looking for his first car and wants a manual. I fully expect he’ll stall it on occasion. Cars should be able to handle this without making one a sitting duck in traffic.@@Nate_HarietteTH-cam_Adventure
Appreciate your call to action here. Glad I have a 2021 MY manual Versa and isn't affected by this.
My '20 and '21 Versas were so nice with the push to start feature. I guess they got rid of it because of the chip shortage. Who knows?
@@youtoobe169 Potentially. It's a real shame too because the push to start models are basically bullet proof it seems.
Just found out about this thing and did some binging of your vids. I may get one granted it’s 18k flat 5 speed manual 2600 pounds 122hp. Not a bad spec in the early 2000s. People have grown out of these cars into huge suvs but the thrill of a sub 3000 pound manual is unmatched.
I agree, it's a great driving experience!
Happy to see a manufacturer upgrading to an actual keyed ignition instead of a POS key fob
Same problem on our 2024 Versa. Brought it to the dealer and they couldn’t fix the problem as no new software update is available
Please take 5 minutes to file a complaint with NHTSA at the link I provided. That's the only way we will be able to force Nissan to fix this.
I bought the 23 Versa S manual one year ago and have put over 8000 miles on it. Cumulative MPG shows 41.8 on the dash. Great car. I have stalled it 3 times, but never had the loss of power issue. The only issue I have noticed is that the blower fan seems to go up and down in speed (slightly) when driving. This is most noticed when the fan position is on high. This started on day one. The A/C still blows cold. It could be related to engine RPMs. Does any one else notice this? Thanks for all the great Versa videos. I've watched them all more than once.
I think it has a "smart alternator" so the voltage will vary which will affect fan speed. I see that in mine as well.
I filed a complaint. I have a 2022 Nissan Versa (regular model) 5-Speed.
First happened to me about a year after I bought the car and thought nothing of it.
Has happened two more times since.
Happens to me when you don't turn the key quite enough and the vehicle stalls when starting.
The vehicle enters a limp mode with almost no acceleration. The max speed seems to be around 55mph and takes 30+ seconds to hit that speed.
If I turn the car off, wait 15 seconds, and then restart the car. The problem is fixed.
Seems to me like Nissan must have incorrectly programmed the computer in some way.
And this is most definitely a safety issue.
If you are making a turn and don't realize the limp mode has occurred (no acceleration) a collision can definitely happen.
Also extremely dangerous to be going low speeds on the freeway.
@@AN-nl9pu Thanks for filing a complaint. Yes they misprogrammed it when they switched from pushbutton start to key start for the 2022 model year
2024 S model with key ignition has the same issue. It happened to me twice already.
Please make sure to file a complaint with NHTSA at the link I provided. That is the only way we will be able to force Nissan to fix this. Have you taken it to the dealer?
do you have a push to start?
Had this happen to me twice with my 2024. I brought it in and they did an obd scan. They looked into past complaints and responses from Nissan.
Nissan's past reponses cite operator error as the cause and the fix is to restart the vehicle.
Fortunately, the service department wasn't satisfied with that and wanted to replicate the issue.
When the technician was able to replicate it with one stall, they kept the car. This was 4 days or so. I was told that it will be another week because nissan is coming out with a software update for the issue.
Tldr; I was told that Nissan will have a software update for the issue in a week or so.
Thanks for the info. I am glad to hear they are moving quickly on this once NHTSA opened an investigation and that your service dept was proactive.
It's been a month since this post and no PCM update as of yet, correct?
@@brianwayne3029 Not yet. I just had my car to the Nissan dealer yesterday for service and they said there are no TSBs.
I have a 2024 and this just happened to me about 10 mins ago. I went to the gas station and on my way home I stalled it and had basically no power the rest of the way home. This has happened 2 other times since I’ve had the car (just got it on the 12th). Just filed a complaint
Please be sure to file a complaint with NHTSA at the link I provided
Already did
do you have a push to start?
No I don’t
I have a 2024. I have the same issue. It's happened 2x. Both times I let go of the key too soon and it didn't get a good start and died. Then I couldn't accelerate above 60.
Hopefully there is a recall soon
My v also is affected by this i find if you don't even restart the car and clear the Camshaft code it will fix it. i keep an obdlink mx+ in my obd2 port as a temp guage
If you don't mind, can you take 5 minutes to file a complaint with NHTSA? I am trying to get them to issue a software update. There are some less savvy non-car people out there who could get into a dangerous situation because of this.
@@youtoobe169 i did👍
Complaint filed today
Thanks! More and more of us are filing complaints so hopefully it forces @nissanusa to take action
Looks like the NHTSA has opened an investigation into this issue. Hopefully this pressures Nissan into releasing a firmware update.
Thanks for the comment. I have been following that and periodically scan for recalls or at least a TSB for the issue.
i am concerned about this. they took a simple car with a manual yet there is still a serious issue.
Please file a complaint with NHTSA at the link I provided
Thanks youtoobe169 for the video, and thanks to all who chimed in with their experience. This M/T Versa was near the top of my list, so I'm super bummed that I'll likely pass on it. Especially since I had planned to teach my wife how to drive a manual, I know she would stall many times and this limp mode issue would be a big worry. I'm so sad that there are no more new, small, cheap stick-shifts to buy.
I am hoping Nissan issues a recall for this, but as of yet they have not.
@@youtoobe169 Since you're my Versa guru, I'd like to get your advice on this: should I still get the 2025 Versa M/T now despite the limp mode issue? My hope would be that either there is a recall soon or my car is lucky enough to not have that problem. I went to the LA Auto Show today and sat in both of my top choices: the Versa and the GTI, and I just like the Versa's vibe more. Maybe it's because I'm old, and the Versa reminds me of the simpler cars of my youth. Or maybe it's just typical human psychology - we always want what we can't have.
@@okeh_donkeh I've never had a repeat of the power loss issue except the first day I owned the car. I did stall it once but it never triggered the issue, so it seems to happen under very specific conditions. You can always test drive the '25 and "bunp" the key buy don't hold it on long enough to start it, then see if it loses power. It would all come down to how often you think you'd stall it. It's very easy to modulate the clutch.
Complaint filed
Thanks! I wrote a letter to NHTSA asking them to open an investigation. Every complaint helps!
Going through it right no dealer says nothing wrong its a shame i love this car seems like its going to be a battle with nissan
I’m having that exact same issue, but mine happens if it’s a little loose, gravel or wet in the tires may spin I live down a dirt road, and then it goes in limit mode and then you had to shut it off and turn it back on. I’ll reset it with my scan to have you got it fixed
No fix yet, but hopefully soon
how is your versa now aug 17 2024 ? was a software update a fix ?
It is doing fine, but I haven't stalled it or failed to start it. No updates yet, but hoping soon.
I wondered something, what does it actually do to go into reduced power mode after a stall. I wondered where the reduced speed in this mode is enforced from.
* Is there a speed governor in this car?
* Does this engage the security immobilizer or e-brake perhaps?
* Is it done in the emission control?
* Does it cut the Engine RPMs internally?
* Does it shut down an engine cylinder or two?
* Are the pedals electronic and the actual speed is controlled by a computer output?
* Other?
These are my theories of where this could originate from. Seems like a weird glitch regardless.
You can see how it behaves in the first video I did about it. I made the video while it was in reduced power mode.
@@youtoobe169 I have had it happen to me. But what is weird that the tachometer and RPMs seemed normal but the speed and acceleration were anemic in the mode. Which is why I theorize that the limp mode is enforced somewhere else, that is an electronic path controlling something that the pedals do not control.
I almost wondered if the security immobilzer was somehow enabled, perhaps thinking this is a power-off and not a stall. If it detected the engagement by alternator voltage, a drop in voltage or a reduction to zero would falsely trigger the security system. I wonder if it is reading something that is a engine-on line versus a battery line somewhere. I also wonder if Nissan used the same version of the software in an automatic for this control and didn't accomodate manual transmission stalls.
I also wonder if beta testing was suspended or cut back during the COVID-19 pandemic, and these were rushed to market. I also wonder if the chip shortage impacted this and they made circuit changes or redesigned things to omit a chip or sensor or something.
There are multiple ways these reduced power modes are enforced. One (and it seems to be the case for this car) is by limiting how far the throttle plate can open, so when you floor the accelerator you only get 25 or 30% throttle plate opening. Think of a block of wood under your gas pedal, but done electronically.
They can also add on top of that an artificially low rev limiter, such as 3k rpm.
And finally, they can also add an artificially low speed limiter, such as 30mph, etc... it all depends on the vehicle.
This issue sounds like the first example, where the throttle opening is limited. It basically reduces max engine power. When stationary you can still rev it up, but when power is needed, you don't have it because the engine can't get enough air.
@@volvo09 That sounds spot on based on the way it behaved when it happened.
wow you manage to average 38mpg! i can barely manage 27 with my feet of lead 😂
There's a good amount of highway driving in there so that definitely helps
Someone told me the obd ii plug is really low. If you're not careful and hit that thing repeatedly it will cause pcm issues.
I've never heard that, and never had any issues like that.
@nissanusa This is a BIG problem and you aren't doing anything about it
The NISSAN short-lived CVT fiasco was a BIG problem. This reduced power invisible mode is an inconvenience that could lead to an unsafe condition.
Reliability and low cost of repair are why I bought a manual transmission. It's my sixth NISSAN/DATSUN and third from this dealer. After it went into reduced power at 95mi on the odometer, I damn near bought a VW Jetta with a 6-speed manual.
@@brianwayne3029 It is definitely unsafe
I’ve stalled two or three times in my 24 and have not had any issues.
Some people with '24s report no issues. Seems to be luck of the draw.
I am considering to buy manual versa S 2023 as a college student getting it for 19k out of showroom. Should I go for it? Is it worth it? I really want a reliable car because the last one I had made me put more as compared to its actual value.
My personal opinion is that all things considered it's worth it and it's generally a good car. I have made several other videos about it you can check out if you like.
Definitely worth it
382 miles and mine does it
Hopefully NHTSA forces Nissan to recall. It wouldn't hurt if you also filed a complaint.
Cycle your key 5 times and it takes it out of limp mode
I don't think it takes that many times. Maybe once or twice.
@youtoobe169 to be honest that's just what I read online I'm picking up my 25 versa in a few days the dealership had to ship it from a few states away since I wanted a manual
@@benjaminreneau8866 Congrats on your Versa! You will be one of the first '25 owners
I will do it that, i just receive a call from my wife told me her car NIssan Versa 2024 lossing porwer , we have very happy but a just hit 5k and this problem come up
Sorry to hear that. Hopefully Nissan issues a recall soon
my 2022 do this
Please file a complaint with NHTSA