Thanks for all this content on the 1.6 liter with the manual 5-speed. I just bought a Kicks in Mexico with the same drivetrain and I'm liking it. Your opinions helped me decide to pull the trigger on this purchase. I would not have bought a Kicks with the CVT, as I've always been a manual guy.
Great video. I love the new 2023 Nissan Versa and believe my next car will be a 2023 Nissan Versa SR. I have owned 3 Mitsubishi Mirages now, 2015 Mirage ES CVT, 2017 Mirage G4 SE CVT and now my 2021 Mirage SE CVT and they have been great cars. I love small cars and have loved all my Mirages. The new Versa is such a sharp looking small vehicle. The 2015-2023 Mitsubishi Mirage 5 speed revs at very similar rpms at highway speeds and it is still very efficient and super reliable as well. Congrats and love the Versa!
It's just necessary to give you passing on demand on the highway. People have to remember it's port injected with a manual and low compression w/o a turbo. Totally normal.
This is a good video and exactly what I was wondering about. Thanks. I’m seeing a lot of 2017-19 models with manual, on sale around me. Did you own those years?
I have the same car with the manual speeds. I think the 5 speed is perfectly matched in this car…a 6th gear would probably feel too gutless on the highway
I disagree and this is why. The 5th gear permits 3200 rpm at 70 MPH, while the CVT automatic will do 1950 rpm at 70 MPH. A 6th gear that allowed even 2500 rpm at 70 mph would be immensely helpful for fuel economy on flat and especially downhill stretches of road. If you care to drive the CVT version of this car, it often is very comfortable to maintain 1950 rpm at 70 mph in some cases for miles at a time, although admittedly, the moment you wish to accelerate with any briskness or climb any significant grade, you'll be well into the upper 2000s or low 3000s. I argue that this is the point of having multiple gear ratios and a worthy tradeoff. 3200 rpm vs 2500 rpm on this 1.6L engine is 0.84 gal/hr vs 0.65 gal/hr just to pump air in and exhaust out of the engine. At 0 whp, this is a difference of 83 MPG vs 108 MPG, and yes, you'd have to push the gas pedal down further to generate 0 whp at 3200 rpm vs 2500, not that that's surprising or relevant though. The absurd thing to remember is that with "lower" (numerically higher) gear ratios, it is possible and easier to actually use fuel to achieve negative net whp figures, i.e., you're pressing lightly on the accelerator, but the car is still feeling an overall engine braking effect, whereby it would actually be faster (and more fuel efficient) to release the accelerator and shift to neutral. Max fuel flow rate using conservative volumetric efficiency estimates at sea level at 3200 rpm is 2.65 gal/hr while at 2500 rpm is 2.07 gal/hr. Again using 70 mph, that's minimum MPG of 26.5 and 33.8 MPG in 5th and the imaginary 6th, respectively. Still decent figures bearing in mind that higher mpg means less torque available to accelerate. Using the same conservative fuel flow rates, I estimate that at 70 MPH there would be a theoretical maximum of 66 hp available in 5th gear, and 52 hp available at 2500 rpm in the imaginary 6th gear which would definitely be noticeable, but hardly detrimental. I firmly believe that a 6th gear would be worth it to have for the vast majority of 55+ mph cruising and if one came across terrain that necessitated frequent shifting, simply not selecting the 6th gear would be a respectable choice in that scenario.
they need to make sentras with manual transmissions. it gives it a sports feel and few people can steal them and it gives you more control over the car and prevents road rage because you have to shift gears and makes it easy to slow down on the highway if you approach a cop car looking for speeders. it always prevents you from flooring the gas petal as red lights change since you have to change gears preventing rear ender accidents. makes it easier to control a car on ice and snow as you shift to a lower gear. manuals are good and they should make more of them for people who want them.
lol. High RPM. People must not have owned very many small engine manual trans vehicles. Long ago I hada 1992 Toyota Tercel base model with a 4 speed transmission. That thing was singing along at 4400-4500rpm to go 75mph. I love my 2014 Versa Base. just wish it had cruise control like the new ones do.
do you recomenned a 2025 Nissan Versa SR Automatic version for consistent highway usage (70-85mph) daily? I'm only asking because I know it takes 10 seconds to go from 0-60mph and here in Florida people drive crazy and you may need fast acceleration? I really like this car all around cuase I can fully max it out for just 25k and get awesome MPG too....thanks in advance
CVT’s are okay as long as you change the fluid at least every 50,000 miles. But I mainly don’t like CVT’s because of the way they drive and because they are clunky.
I owned a 2005 Saturn ION with a 5 spd manual. The specs were similar to the Versa and it also had a "2X" on the speed vs rpm while driving. Does the Versa have an upshift light?
My 2019 Mitsubishi Mirage G4 ES Manual does 3400 RPMs at 70 MPH. Ive also achieved 60 Miles Per Gallon at 70 MPH. Keep in mind my Mitsubishi Mirage G4 revs higher than your Nissan Versa because i have 14 inch tires. My RPMs would match yours with 15 inch tires.
@@youtoobe169 It's practically the same car as the Versa. Even acceleration is identical. In some places you can still buy the Mirage in a manual. Unfortunately cars in North America are really starting to suck. It's pretty much the norm to own a manual car in Europe.
@@nick16279 It's kind of funny that in the US people say they want manuals but very few actually buy them so they stop selling them. I am the exception.
if you live in a hilly city this car has major trouble going up hills. this car should not have had power steering as that takes away the engine power. i had a manual kia rio without power steering and it went up hills really well unlike this car.
Mine has plenty of power for hills, but you do need to keep the RPMs up. Also, this has electric power steering which doesn't take power like the hydraulic steering does.
How steep are we talking? I live in a nonhilly place so the steepest thing I do is the occasional parking garage structure (with some steep ramps and not so steep ones). It seems to do just fine but obviously there's not going to be room to try to see how it would be like to try to go 0 to 60 on a sharp incline or anything.
@@vultureguy33 if you live in a flat area you will not have any problems with this car. it drives well on open highways and in cities but a steep hill more than 150 feet long is going to be a problem.
@@vultureguy33 actually there is only this one hill near me on this one road that has been a problem. other hills have not been a problem but i had kias and hyundias with manuals that could go up mountains and not struggle.
Thanks for all this content on the 1.6 liter with the manual 5-speed. I just bought a Kicks in Mexico with the same drivetrain and I'm liking it. Your opinions helped me decide to pull the trigger on this purchase. I would not have bought a Kicks with the CVT, as I've always been a manual guy.
Glad they helped! I wish we could buy a Kicks with a manual here. That sounds like a super cool car!
Great video. I love the new 2023 Nissan Versa and believe my next car will be a 2023 Nissan Versa SR. I have owned 3 Mitsubishi Mirages now, 2015 Mirage ES CVT, 2017 Mirage G4 SE CVT and now my 2021 Mirage SE CVT and they have been great cars. I love small cars and have loved all my Mirages. The new Versa is such a sharp looking small vehicle. The 2015-2023 Mitsubishi Mirage 5 speed revs at very similar rpms at highway speeds and it is still very efficient and super reliable as well. Congrats and love the Versa!
I test drove one of those Mirages before. They are cool cars!
It's just necessary to give you passing on demand on the highway. People have to remember it's port injected with a manual and low compression w/o a turbo. Totally normal.
That makes sense
This is a good video and exactly what I was wondering about. Thanks.
I’m seeing a lot of 2017-19 models with manual, on sale around me. Did you own those years?
Thanks! I am glad you found it useful. No, I only owned the '20 and up body style.
I have the same car with the manual speeds. I think the 5 speed is perfectly matched in this car…a 6th gear would probably feel too gutless on the highway
I completely agree
@@youtoobe169how’s the fuel mileage on the highway?
I disagree and this is why. The 5th gear permits 3200 rpm at 70 MPH, while the CVT automatic will do 1950 rpm at 70 MPH. A 6th gear that allowed even 2500 rpm at 70 mph would be immensely helpful for fuel economy on flat and especially downhill stretches of road. If you care to drive the CVT version of this car, it often is very comfortable to maintain 1950 rpm at 70 mph in some cases for miles at a time, although admittedly, the moment you wish to accelerate with any briskness or climb any significant grade, you'll be well into the upper 2000s or low 3000s. I argue that this is the point of having multiple gear ratios and a worthy tradeoff.
3200 rpm vs 2500 rpm on this 1.6L engine is 0.84 gal/hr vs 0.65 gal/hr just to pump air in and exhaust out of the engine. At 0 whp, this is a difference of 83 MPG vs 108 MPG, and yes, you'd have to push the gas pedal down further to generate 0 whp at 3200 rpm vs 2500, not that that's surprising or relevant though. The absurd thing to remember is that with "lower" (numerically higher) gear ratios, it is possible and easier to actually use fuel to achieve negative net whp figures, i.e., you're pressing lightly on the accelerator, but the car is still feeling an overall engine braking effect, whereby it would actually be faster (and more fuel efficient) to release the accelerator and shift to neutral.
Max fuel flow rate using conservative volumetric efficiency estimates at sea level at 3200 rpm is 2.65 gal/hr while at 2500 rpm is 2.07 gal/hr. Again using 70 mph, that's minimum MPG of 26.5 and 33.8 MPG in 5th and the imaginary 6th, respectively. Still decent figures bearing in mind that higher mpg means less torque available to accelerate.
Using the same conservative fuel flow rates, I estimate that at 70 MPH there would be a theoretical maximum of 66 hp available in 5th gear, and 52 hp available at 2500 rpm in the imaginary 6th gear which would definitely be noticeable, but hardly detrimental. I firmly believe that a 6th gear would be worth it to have for the vast majority of 55+ mph cruising and if one came across terrain that necessitated frequent shifting, simply not selecting the 6th gear would be a respectable choice in that scenario.
@@clover7359 6th gear is fine in other cars with a manual, but that's just not what this car is about.
And none of it really matters since Nissan CVT's self-destruct somewhere between 12,000-60,000 miles on average.
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they need to make sentras with manual transmissions. it gives it a sports feel and few people can steal them and it gives you more control over the car and prevents road rage because you have to shift gears and makes it easy to slow down on the highway if you approach a cop car looking for speeders. it always prevents you from flooring the gas petal as red lights change since you have to change gears preventing rear ender accidents. makes it easier to control a car on ice and snow as you shift to a lower gear. manuals are good and they should make more of them for people who want them.
I definitely like manuals. Too bad so many manufacturers are discontinuing them.
lol. High RPM. People must not have owned very many small engine manual trans vehicles. Long ago I hada 1992 Toyota Tercel base model with a 4 speed transmission. That thing was singing along at 4400-4500rpm to go 75mph. I love my 2014 Versa Base. just wish it had cruise control like the new ones do.
do you recomenned a 2025 Nissan Versa SR Automatic version for consistent highway usage (70-85mph) daily? I'm only asking because I know it takes 10 seconds to go from 0-60mph and here in Florida people drive crazy and you may need fast acceleration? I really like this car all around cuase I can fully max it out for just 25k and get awesome MPG too....thanks in advance
I am the wrong person to ask because I don't like CVTs. That being said, I had one as a rental and did a video about it if you want to check it out.
The CVT is way lower revs, 2200 at 80 I think.
It is, but I would never buy one
Yeah maybe but it's still a CVT 😅. Manual is the way to go
Do you think there will be any 2024’s in manual..I am determined to get manual only. Been hearing nothing but bad news with the CVTS
As far as I know, there should be a '24 manual. They have not announced cancelling it.
i love the sentra but might get a 2024 versa simply for the manual transmission.
@@dampergoldenrod4156 Hopefully they keep making manuals
CVT’s are okay as long as you change the fluid at least every 50,000 miles. But I mainly don’t like CVT’s because of the way they drive and because they are clunky.
@@BroadwayLTDProductions I hate CVTs.
I have a 2019 5 speed. It’s the same.. keep it under 80 and the fuel mileage goes way up lol
Yeah, high speeds really drop the MPG
I owned a 2005 Saturn ION with a 5 spd manual. The specs were similar to the Versa and it also had a "2X" on the speed vs rpm while driving. Does the Versa have an upshift light?
No upshift light
My 2019 Mitsubishi Mirage G4 ES Manual does 3400 RPMs at 70 MPH. Ive also achieved 60 Miles Per Gallon at 70 MPH. Keep in mind my Mitsubishi Mirage G4 revs higher than your Nissan Versa because i have 14 inch tires. My RPMs would match yours with 15 inch tires.
I like those Mirages. I wish I would have bought one when they still had a manual and were like $11K.
@@youtoobe169 It's practically the same car as the Versa. Even acceleration is identical. In some places you can still buy the Mirage in a manual. Unfortunately cars in North America are really starting to suck. It's pretty much the norm to own a manual car in Europe.
@@nick16279 It's kind of funny that in the US people say they want manuals but very few actually buy them so they stop selling them. I am the exception.
How’s the fuel mileage?
I did a video or two about this :)
Does your car have a arm rest?
Yes, but I pulled it from one of my other Versas and quick installed it in this one. I did a video about it.
@@youtoobe169 good deal I’ll check it out thanks
if you live in a hilly city this car has major trouble going up hills. this car should not have had power steering as that takes away the engine power. i had a manual kia rio without power steering and it went up hills really well unlike this car.
Mine has plenty of power for hills, but you do need to keep the RPMs up. Also, this has electric power steering which doesn't take power like the hydraulic steering does.
How steep are we talking? I live in a nonhilly place so the steepest thing I do is the occasional parking garage structure (with some steep ramps and not so steep ones). It seems to do just fine but obviously there's not going to be room to try to see how it would be like to try to go 0 to 60 on a sharp incline or anything.
@@vultureguy33 if you live in a flat area you will not have any problems with this car. it drives well on open highways and in cities but a steep hill more than 150 feet long is going to be a problem.
@@vultureguy33 actually there is only this one hill near me on this one road that has been a problem. other hills have not been a problem but i had kias and hyundias with manuals that could go up mountains and not struggle.
@@dampergoldenrod4156 which versa do you have, just curious? A 2023 manual?