@jonny45k44 hahaha im just picturing u listening to this the first time, bursting out laughter and the rest of the family kinda side eye you awkwardly lmao
I know I'm coming in a year late, but regarding keyblades and the Master of Masters creating them - it's important to note that the appearance they have isn't static. E.g. Axels keyblade - The Master of Masters didnt craft a keyblade that specifically looked like fire and Axels Chakrams - its the Keychains that determine the shape of the Keyblade (hence why Sora has lots of different types of Keyblades - he doesnt have lots of actual keyblades, he just changes the appearance of just one). The MoM created a keyblade that would one day be held by Axel, but the keychain determined its' appearance, and the MoM didnt make the keychain (my headcanon is that the heart of the bearer creates the keychains - and further, because Sora & Co make connections in their heart with other people from other worlds, they're able to create new keychains based on those connections to their heart).
Its rough thinking of KH like the MCU- Phase 1 was just introducing the main characters and ideas. And I feel like Phase 2 is the story Nomura wanted to tell but he had to spend the last 2 decades just giving us the introduction and getting his audience hooked. Also we do know who the traitor is from Back Cover- its the Master of Masters. The one intentionally pitting everyone against each other to intentionally create a war where thousands upon thousands of children will murder each other, sewing discord and distrust among all those who trust him, and giving everyone a job he knows they will fail at. THAT is the traitor, betraying everyone's trust and loyalty. We know that before the credits roll. And for those who want to correct me with who the Master SAYS is the traitor- why would you take the words of the traitor as fact?
I love how with the progression of the KH lore dump series they're slowly getting sucked into the madness yet repelling it at the same time. Thanks for taking the time to do these, guys! Can't wait for Control and the eventual Alan Wake 2 lore dumps. :)
I don't know if this was mentioned in the original video, but the VA for the Master of Masters is also the VA for Noctis in FFXV. Trollmura, a.k.a. Nomura, is probably laughing in troll when he received the news that happened. And Trollmura is a nickname some of the fans have started to use because Nomura is known to be such a troll.
So my thought process was always that the keyblades that were made are all just blank slates. Just thousands of blank keyblades. But they get their form from their keychains and thats how they can have new forms as time goes on and appear in ways that match the characters motif. Like how oathkeeper uses kairis charm and way to dawn has the artificial heartless symbol
@@LoreDump If you had to give a percentage between power of friendship and the meds, what would you say did the most healing? Like what's the split here, 50/50?
The master of masters is voiced by Ray Chase, the same guy who was the English VA for Noctis in FFXV. Which is REALLY interesting in light of the FF versus XIII connections in ReMind . Only slightly spoiled by the fact that the Japanese voice actors don't match, but I'm in full blown tin foil hat mode when it comes to Nomura.
It's wild hearing Chase's very American accent just go "yeah you can get that for fifteen quid" like I know they also live in this country it's just so easy to forget lol.
I don't't think the form of each Keyblade was determined long ago. Based on the design on the X-blade as two crossed Kingdom Keys, I think that the default appearance of a Keyblade is the Kingdom Key and the differences in appearance and power come from the keychain attached to it. This would explain why Sora has always been said to have "the" Keyblade, yet it has taken dozens of forms of varying power. Same Keyblade, different keychains. Also explains why Sora starts off each game with the Kingdom Key. Between games he loses the keychains for whatever reason. So the reason Riku's Way to the Dawn looks like his sword and Lea's Keyblade (which is named Bond of Blaze, in case you're curious) looks like his chakrams and fire isn't because eons ago, someone was running around with the Way to the Dawn or Bond of Blaze exactly how they look in the present but because the keychains (and thus their forms) was created by Riku and Lea when their Keyblades first manifested. The Keyblades are ancient, but their forms are not necessarily. Also, the Kingdom Key D from the realm of darkness is golden because it's supposed to be the inverse of the Kingdom Key which is from the realm of light. The KK is silver with a gold crossguard while KK-D is gold with a silver crossguard. Honestly, the X-blade should be a KK crossed with a KK-D to represent the clash of light and dark but whatever
Aqua doesnt return with destiny islands because her origin world (land of departure) wasnt restored. Also i personally believe the moments where aqua talks to terra are when xehanort/xemnas etc is talking to her armour in the chamber of repose.
Is No Name a Keyblade of Heart, or of darkness? Because the implications of every keyblade of light has a counterpart interests me a lot. Could explain the multiple eyeblades.
I know this is elaborated on in KH3, but the question of why Riku can't just pop into the realm of darkness to retrieve Aqua is answered by you boys here. You jokingly say that Aqua has got to be, canonically, the strongest of the Keyblade wielders of light, as she's been fighting in the realm of darkness for decades. And while yeah, we see her at the Dark Meridian, remember that in the BBS secret episode, we see her fighting in a much deeper part of the dark realm. So yeah, while Riku is able to access the realm of darkness by the mid-later parts of the trilogy, it is implied that, with Aqua being so powerful and fighting so long, she is in a much deeper part of the realm of darkness than Riku, Axel, Mickey, and company are able to access so easily.
Wild stab in the dark, but perhaps the content of the box is Kingdom Hearts, or at the very least something that can utilize the energy from the real Kingdom Hearts
Okay, this has been bothering me for a while and I need to say it. In the title, you misspelled the title of FP. It’s FragmentAry passage, not FragmentOry passage. Also, Back Cover introduces my favorite character in the whole franchise, the Master of Masters. I love the way Ray Chase portrays him and his playful trickery. His theme makes me smile even with how chaotic it is. I also love that each of the Foretellers etc. are named as the Seven Deadly Sins, aka the antithesis of their personalities. Taken from another comment on a different video, Luxu=Lust, Ava=Avarice, Gula=Gluttony, Ira=Wrath (irate), Aced=Sloth (though it’s more like inaction), which makes the MoM Pride to round it out. Super excited to rewatch the Union X episode, that one’s fun as hell Edit: forgot Invi=Envy. Also Ira’s voiced by Matt Mercer 😂
the reaction to the mickey mouse darkness striptease 🤌 effervescent so, theories! this is so long though, i am so sorry. regarding MoM making all of the keyblades - i don't think they were created with specific physical manifestations in mind. given that keychains can change a keyblade's appearance and properties, and riku's keyblade formed from his sword, i think it would make the most sense for MoM to have created the metaphysical essence/core of all of the keyblades, and then those cores activate under certain mysterious conditions, after which the keyblade's physicality changes to match the user's needs. the cores are hand me downs, not the form. as for the whole aqua-terra-ven thing in the world of darkness, imo i think it fits pretty neatly with previous instances of hearts connecting using the ✨power of friendship✨ to facilitate various levels of communication over space and time, albeit portrayed in a way that has a weird hallucinatory quality to it. i think the reason that aqua can see ventus and terra can't is possibly because ventus' heart is still with sora, and terra never met sora the way aqua did. she may not know that sora is acting as a shelter for ventus' heart, but her fledgling bond with sora is acting as an intermediary connection. terra, on the other hand, is weak and fettered and can't find ventus' heart in its new home. maybe he's only able to sense and talk to aqua because they're both in proximity to the realm of darkness. and given that his self is trapped within xehanort, i'm guessing that xehanort is able to piggyback on that magic friendship telephone connection and spy on them. as to why all of that communication happened specifically during the timeline of the first kingdom hearts game and not before.... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ maybe it's because aqua finally feels something again when she sees cinderella's castle and so her heart gets its 5G reception back? not!ansem's hold on terra weakening after his destruction at the end of kingdom hearts?? ventus waking up tiny bit when sora does a keyblade seppuku??? who among us can claim to know the confusing enigma that is nomura's mind. i know i'm months late to the series, but thank you for doing all of this work. putting together such a concise and easily understood timeline from a series with lore as fragmented and frequently retconned as kingdom hearts must have been an enormous undertaking. i am thoroughly enjoying myself, but on the other hand, lore dump is also responsible for afflicting me with previously dormant kingdom hearts brainrot. so... you know, thank you again but also this is a sickness and i'm infected.
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Fan theory: the master of masters is Thomas Zane and daybreak town is prehistoric bright falls
The reaction to Mickey's shirt canon was fantastic... I've waited weeks for this... Try waiting over 10 years lol 😂
The fact that I was a child when I wondered about his shirt.... and now I'm an adult with two kids and JUST FINDING OUT!!!
@jonny45k44 hahaha im just picturing u listening to this the first time, bursting out laughter and the rest of the family kinda side eye you awkwardly lmao
I know I'm coming in a year late, but regarding keyblades and the Master of Masters creating them - it's important to note that the appearance they have isn't static. E.g. Axels keyblade - The Master of Masters didnt craft a keyblade that specifically looked like fire and Axels Chakrams - its the Keychains that determine the shape of the Keyblade (hence why Sora has lots of different types of Keyblades - he doesnt have lots of actual keyblades, he just changes the appearance of just one).
The MoM created a keyblade that would one day be held by Axel, but the keychain determined its' appearance, and the MoM didnt make the keychain (my headcanon is that the heart of the bearer creates the keychains - and further, because Sora & Co make connections in their heart with other people from other worlds, they're able to create new keychains based on those connections to their heart).
I've been listening to this in the background while working on midterms, and I really want to know how many pages Chase's notes were
Listening to Neal lose it over the death of Mickey's shirt is amazing
Its rough thinking of KH like the MCU- Phase 1 was just introducing the main characters and ideas. And I feel like Phase 2 is the story Nomura wanted to tell but he had to spend the last 2 decades just giving us the introduction and getting his audience hooked.
Also we do know who the traitor is from Back Cover- its the Master of Masters. The one intentionally pitting everyone against each other to intentionally create a war where thousands upon thousands of children will murder each other, sewing discord and distrust among all those who trust him, and giving everyone a job he knows they will fail at. THAT is the traitor, betraying everyone's trust and loyalty. We know that before the credits roll.
And for those who want to correct me with who the Master SAYS is the traitor- why would you take the words of the traitor as fact?
"Did Mickey's shirt just die?". I love this series so much xD.
I love how with the progression of the KH lore dump series they're slowly getting sucked into the madness yet repelling it at the same time. Thanks for taking the time to do these, guys! Can't wait for Control and the eventual Alan Wake 2 lore dumps. :)
I don't know if this was mentioned in the original video, but the VA for the Master of Masters is also the VA for Noctis in FFXV. Trollmura, a.k.a. Nomura, is probably laughing in troll when he received the news that happened. And Trollmura is a nickname some of the fans have started to use because Nomura is known to be such a troll.
I've been binging these and "Rickey and Miku" took me the fuck out
So my thought process was always that the keyblades that were made are all just blank slates. Just thousands of blank keyblades. But they get their form from their keychains and thats how they can have new forms as time goes on and appear in ways that match the characters motif. Like how oathkeeper uses kairis charm and way to dawn has the artificial heartless symbol
I know that this episode is a reupload, but I hope the ribs healed up well. I can't even fathom how much pain you were in.
Thank you! Healed up fine. As in the games, the power of friendship got me through. And prescription painkillers. - Neil
@@LoreDump 🤣 Happy to hear that.
@@LoreDump If you had to give a percentage between power of friendship and the meds, what would you say did the most healing? Like what's the split here, 50/50?
The master of masters is voiced by Ray Chase, the same guy who was the English VA for Noctis in FFXV. Which is REALLY interesting in light of the FF versus XIII connections in ReMind . Only slightly spoiled by the fact that the Japanese voice actors don't match, but I'm in full blown tin foil hat mode when it comes to Nomura.
Omg, do you think Micky's remote control is in the box!?!
Free demo??? This was like AAA tull price kind of game. I mean yeah it had DDD and back cover in it too but still
It's wild hearing Chase's very American accent just go "yeah you can get that for fifteen quid" like I know they also live in this country it's just so easy to forget lol.
I don't't think the form of each Keyblade was determined long ago. Based on the design on the X-blade as two crossed Kingdom Keys, I think that the default appearance of a Keyblade is the Kingdom Key and the differences in appearance and power come from the keychain attached to it. This would explain why Sora has always been said to have "the" Keyblade, yet it has taken dozens of forms of varying power. Same Keyblade, different keychains. Also explains why Sora starts off each game with the Kingdom Key. Between games he loses the keychains for whatever reason.
So the reason Riku's Way to the Dawn looks like his sword and Lea's Keyblade (which is named Bond of Blaze, in case you're curious) looks like his chakrams and fire isn't because eons ago, someone was running around with the Way to the Dawn or Bond of Blaze exactly how they look in the present but because the keychains (and thus their forms) was created by Riku and Lea when their Keyblades first manifested. The Keyblades are ancient, but their forms are not necessarily.
Also, the Kingdom Key D from the realm of darkness is golden because it's supposed to be the inverse of the Kingdom Key which is from the realm of light. The KK is silver with a gold crossguard while KK-D is gold with a silver crossguard.
Honestly, the X-blade should be a KK crossed with a KK-D to represent the clash of light and dark but whatever
Just realized that all the KH lore dumps come out to 13😂
Aqua doesnt return with destiny islands because her origin world (land of departure) wasnt restored.
Also i personally believe the moments where aqua talks to terra are when xehanort/xemnas etc is talking to her armour in the chamber of repose.
I somehow missed this story. I literally remember being angry i didnt know who the four were.
Is No Name a Keyblade of Heart, or of darkness? Because the implications of every keyblade of light has a counterpart interests me a lot. Could explain the multiple eyeblades.
I know this is elaborated on in KH3, but the question of why Riku can't just pop into the realm of darkness to retrieve Aqua is answered by you boys here.
You jokingly say that Aqua has got to be, canonically, the strongest of the Keyblade wielders of light, as she's been fighting in the realm of darkness for decades. And while yeah, we see her at the Dark Meridian, remember that in the BBS secret episode, we see her fighting in a much deeper part of the dark realm.
So yeah, while Riku is able to access the realm of darkness by the mid-later parts of the trilogy, it is implied that, with Aqua being so powerful and fighting so long, she is in a much deeper part of the realm of darkness than Riku, Axel, Mickey, and company are able to access so easily.
Wild stab in the dark, but perhaps the content of the box is Kingdom Hearts, or at the very least something that can utilize the energy from the real Kingdom Hearts
Okay, this has been bothering me for a while and I need to say it. In the title, you misspelled the title of FP. It’s FragmentAry passage, not FragmentOry passage. Also, Back Cover introduces my favorite character in the whole franchise, the Master of Masters. I love the way Ray Chase portrays him and his playful trickery. His theme makes me smile even with how chaotic it is. I also love that each of the Foretellers etc. are named as the Seven Deadly Sins, aka the antithesis of their personalities. Taken from another comment on a different video, Luxu=Lust, Ava=Avarice, Gula=Gluttony, Ira=Wrath (irate), Aced=Sloth (though it’s more like inaction), which makes the MoM Pride to round it out. Super excited to rewatch the Union X episode, that one’s fun as hell
Edit: forgot Invi=Envy. Also Ira’s voiced by Matt Mercer 😂
I have still forgotten who half the Latin named people are and what they do.
Algorithm Comment: This is the only one I haven't played (except Union X I guess). I think I'm justified in that.
11:20 that's bullshit. MoM may bootstraped the process of making keyblades, but there were new ones that were made after him.
Such as?
@aidanmartinez9583 the keyblade of heart, leas keyblade, kairis?
the reaction to the mickey mouse darkness striptease 🤌 effervescent
so, theories! this is so long though, i am so sorry.
regarding MoM making all of the keyblades - i don't think they were created with specific physical manifestations in mind. given that keychains can change a keyblade's appearance and properties, and riku's keyblade formed from his sword, i think it would make the most sense for MoM to have created the metaphysical essence/core of all of the keyblades, and then those cores activate under certain mysterious conditions, after which the keyblade's physicality changes to match the user's needs. the cores are hand me downs, not the form.
as for the whole aqua-terra-ven thing in the world of darkness, imo i think it fits pretty neatly with previous instances of hearts connecting using the ✨power of friendship✨ to facilitate various levels of communication over space and time, albeit portrayed in a way that has a weird hallucinatory quality to it.
i think the reason that aqua can see ventus and terra can't is possibly because ventus' heart is still with sora, and terra never met sora the way aqua did. she may not know that sora is acting as a shelter for ventus' heart, but her fledgling bond with sora is acting as an intermediary connection. terra, on the other hand, is weak and fettered and can't find ventus' heart in its new home. maybe he's only able to sense and talk to aqua because they're both in proximity to the realm of darkness. and given that his self is trapped within xehanort, i'm guessing that xehanort is able to piggyback on that magic friendship telephone connection and spy on them.
as to why all of that communication happened specifically during the timeline of the first kingdom hearts game and not before.... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ maybe it's because aqua finally feels something again when she sees cinderella's castle and so her heart gets its 5G reception back? not!ansem's hold on terra weakening after his destruction at the end of kingdom hearts?? ventus waking up tiny bit when sora does a keyblade seppuku??? who among us can claim to know the confusing enigma that is nomura's mind.
i know i'm months late to the series, but thank you for doing all of this work. putting together such a concise and easily understood timeline from a series with lore as fragmented and frequently retconned as kingdom hearts must have been an enormous undertaking. i am thoroughly enjoying myself, but on the other hand, lore dump is also responsible for afflicting me with previously dormant kingdom hearts brainrot. so... you know, thank you again but also this is a sickness and i'm infected.