13:20 you're misleading. Marc says directly that it was "too crowded in there", saying that it was because of his DID he couldn't recieve previous MK's knowledge.
I like the angle the show is taking, where it seems Mark already had DID before he met Konshu but when he became the avatar the DID got worse, more pronounced, more lively, more uncontrollable, and lead to Mark's ability to speak to his alters. It supports the concept of DID not being a contagious illness while also explaining its more fantastical depiction as the effect magic has on the real condition.
The easiest solution for the DID conundrum would be to just clarifiy that Mark already had DID when Konshu chose him as his new champion, but when Konshu tried to put the memories of the former Moonknights in him he didn't realise that Mark had DID which caused the multiple memories to get split up by all of Marks alters, thus giving them all certain abilities of the Moonknight and thus changing the nature of Marks DID in the process.
Talking about how each of Marc's alters has their own variation of the Moon Knight costume, I would love for this to be explored in other stories, and since the Disney Plus show is leaning into that idea a lot more, I would love to see what kind of costume they give Jake Lockley, maybe one that resembles a cowboy.
@@zinkie_koormens5412 yeah, but we've already seen major deviations from the comics, like Steven not being Rich Man Dude, and Mister Knight being a Steven suit, while the ceremonial armour is Marc's suit, so I just think we need to see another cool suit that fits with the murderer vibe that this version of Jake seemingly gives off
I really like the 2016 run’s approach to Moon Knight’s psychology, where their DID formed from childhood trauma (much like real DID) and Konshu being a destructive force trying to force Marc to be Konshu rather than simply embracing his alters as all being the “real moon knight”, there was a wonderful metaphor I read about DID in regards to the idea of a “true self”; if you were to drop a ceramic pot, and then glue all then shards back together, I’d be really silly to ask “so which shard is the real pot?”, they’re all real, they’re just simply fragmented pieces of a whole. Anyways I’m a fan of Moon Knight having DID but Konshu being an outside force that’s entered the System
It’s a shame the comics are using a “communion with Khonshu caused the DID” approach, because I like it better the “Marc already had DID, but it was twisted into something alien and not quiet like DID” approach. Idk I find more interesting the idea that people with mental illness can also become heroes, but with the caveat that the trauma they might acquire while doing hero stuff or what lead them to that path might worsen their condition even more.
It seems like their doing both and picking and choosing when and which one applies to him. He's a chaotic character so I kinda prefer the Flippy reasons we get
This is actually what the comics are doing. Marc says that the horrifying alien conciousness that has touched his mind is a separate thing than his DID as he licks the sweat off of his crescent dart.
@@matthewjongbloed6718 It doesn’t matter, because canonically the DID started in childhood. Moench may not have intended for him to have actually had DID, but in universe he does, unless a new writer brings something in that undeniably contradicts the canon.
I'm so glad the show is making each alter extremely distinct, even though outwardly, he's still super duper handsome Oscar Isaac. I still want Jake's Moon Knight to have his own costume, like the black and white one, but now, I kinda want that "mind breaking" one as his design as a backup, because it's different enough with it's silhouette.
@@joeclarke7982 It would be perfect if Marvel ignored that storyline and confrimed it not canon somehow, perhaps him waking up from dreaming it in his own current series haha.
It's kinda amazing to me how quickly and behind the scenes Moon Knight blew up in the last ten years. He's up there with Spider-Man and Daredevil now as the Marvel hero I see with the most devote fans. Also, it's kinda amazing to think how massively Marvel street heroes have been influenced by Bendis' work. Spider-man, Daredevil, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Moon Knight...
I'll generally agree with you. For the most part, Moon Knight has had some really talented writers for the past 15 years. But I don't count Bendis as being one of them.
@@adamcampbell2787 I would put Bendis at the bottom with Bemis honestly....to me the best writers in recent years have been Ellis, Lemire, and even though the series is still new and ongoing McKay has done fantastic work so far
@@joeclarke7982 totally agree. The best thing I can say for Bemis is that he had some neat ideas, but he just didn't really pull any of them off very well. Bendis just wrote how Bendis writes in every comic he's ever written and didn't bring anything interesting to Moon Knight.
Its always so fun for me as a comic fan to see these not as well known characters and just see them freak out. It's nice to see them having the reaction that we also had when we found them in the pages of our funny books, its a bonding experience between the two different "kinds" of marvel fans. "Woah, is this how moon knight is?!" "yea, man, isn't it cool!"
In college me and one of my friends wrote a script treatment for a Moon Knight movie that followed a recently immigrated Egyptian cab driver in New York who is saved from a mugging by Moon Knight and takes it upon himself to investigate who Moon Knight actually is. It was very Memento, Fight Club, Mr. Robot inspired. We even wanted Rami Malek to play Marc. Still proud of that project.
me too, i feel like mcu does it better. because if they go the comic accurate route the comic might change things again and then mcu moon knight would change too because fans want it to be "comic accurate". if mcu moon knight doesn't change every time the comic changes, then it wouldn't be "comic accurate" in the future so what's even the point to be comic accurate, it would just get so much more confusing. i'd rather have a consistent good story, that's just my opinion.
@@jmclimacosa1970 except that there is nothing good in MCU Moon Knight, Moon Knight comics even with all its inconsistencies overall was a way better quality and that's is not my opinion is a FACT
@@Gabe600 that's is just your opinion, but don't be a d*CK about it. If you don't like the MCU show then read one of the past runs that fit your specific taste. Especially the many inconsistent details they keep changing.
yeah, but that's also involves Khonsu taking over the world and Moon Knight gaining the powers of the Iron Fists, Mjolnir and Sorcerer Supreme at once... its very much a "Lets do some super comic book shit" and shouldn't be taken any further then that. Like, as far as im aware, this Avengers run atm is mostly the Avengers stockpiling a bunch of various "mantle" powers (the Starbrand, the previously mentioned powers, Black Panther and so on) to fight Mephisto and his multiverse counterparts so its all very.... idk, just comic book-ey. Its fun for the sake of it.
Given Warsame's intentions, I feel like her assessment of "You dont have d.i.d. Khonshu did this to you lmao" should be taken with a grain of salt. I personally fall under the belief that he's always had it, and communion with Khonshu/becoming Moon Knight had... interesting effects on his condition. Because I feel like it makes more sense (as far as superheros and ancient gods go), and because I like the idea of someone with mental illness independent of their powers/superheroing going on to become a hero despite their condition. That being said, if Dr. Badr sticks around, and I hope he does because I like him as a character, it would be interesting to see how Khonshu's influence has had it's effect on other people given the eldritch horror nature of the relationship. And if they do, I hope it isn't just "Badr also has D.I.D." both because that could become VERY cheap and derivative, and because different people react to situations differently. The human psyche is complicated and messy, and it would be very interesting to explore how two people cope with the same thing happening to them, especially given how very different Marc and Badr's personalities and outlooks are.
It makes more sense that he had DID already and that Khonshu’s influence thereafter caused some abnormal effects. This would explain why the alters can interact with each other directly via the supernatural influence, as this does not happen in DID even if a person is aware of their alters. ~_~
DiD is different for everyone though. Some people can interact with their alters while others can't just like how some may have 3-8 alters while others have dozens more. There's no one size fits all.
My brother has DID, and he has said his alters are able to talk to him. (Long before he was even aware of Moon Knight, or very many media depictions) One time, he told me that one of his alters told him that I was being annoying one night while she, that alter is a girl, was playing video games with her friends on Discord. Lol
I really loved your explanations and your thoughts about moonknight. You not only give pretty accurate details on the personas but you don't fully dwell on assumptions. Instead you explain the comparisons and differences in each comic you talk about unlike some other videos I have seen! Well done!
I would definitely rather they ultimately commit to him having already developed DID when he was younger and the stuff with Khonshu just adversly affecting it in some way. Hell, it may well even be that Marc did have DID but it went pretty much unnoticed for a long time until Khonshu showed up causing some of his alters to rise to the surface (maybe because the Moon Knight persona is supposed to be sort of a mix between the avatar and Khonshu himself, but because there are actually multiple identities in there it messed up the balance and gave the other alters just as much control as Marc) For now I like the way the show is handling things even if the talking to each other through a mirror is a tad goofy and cliche (though again that part could be because of Khonshu's meddling) so I'll be intrigued to see how things go when Jake comes along as presently it seems like neither Steve nor Marc know who or what he is
I really wish you'd do some basic research into the history of how what's currently called DID has been diagnosed over the years. You keep busting on the early issues for using the "wrong" terminology when, in fact, they were fairly accurate to DSM-III, which was brand new in 1980 and first defined a whole class of dissociative disorders, a class which was still very broad at the time. The term DID didn't even exist until 1994 when DSM-IV renamed what had been called multiple personality disorder (in DSM-III) and refined the definition somewhat, with further revisions later in DSM-V. Go back even a few years before Moon Knight and the diagnosis under DSM-II would have been "hysterical neurosis of a dissociative type" and the definition would have been even looser. Even today with (hopefully) better understanding of what's involved, the commonplace overlap in symptoms between DID and schizophrenia spectrum disorders complicates diagnosis of both, and you can certainly suffer from both at the same time. The whole subject is a complex one, especially for a comic written by laymen, and calling out the early creators for not using modern terminology is about as unreasonable as criticizing a Victorian era physician for prescribing mercury treatments for syphilis rather than anti-biotics. You can't work with what doesn't exist yet.
It would be a funny retcon if the reason Khonshu is drawn to a man with DID, is that Khonshu is a Cosmic Being who also have the human equivalent of DID. Even funnier if each aspect can also talk with each other either coordinating or just bickering, similar to how Marc can talk with his own alters. Writer's seem to keep changing Moon Knight so If they are going to keep retconning him every run, might as well have fun with different concepts.
That would be easy to did since Khonshu is a deity, they could go with the other identities being different human interpretations of Khonshu. Kinda like how Heros of Olympus depicts the Greek and Roman aspects of the gods.
See I like the fact that MK isn't consistent. Because he was in this lovely spot between people know him enough for new books and obscure enough so nobody cares, it makes each book their own little enjoyable capsule of differing and contradicting takes
I like your idea drake! To add onto it, I like the idea that the Egyptian god (not gonna try to spell it) intentionally sought out mark BECAUSE of his D.I.D., because the god likes to torture mark a lot, and he knows nobody would actually believe him, save for maybe doctor strange, because Stephen and the god are bitter exes
A great exploration, I'd heard all these mini-series out of order (and skipped the original books entirely) so seeing Moon Knight really come together through several writers was interesting.
I think it's worth noting that before the 2021 series, Moon Knight was an Avengers villain for a while with actual moon powers, so Khonshu was definitely real in that
It's been stated that the writers of the show want a more realistic depiction of DID, so they're likely to take the Marc developed DID at some point in his life BEFORE the Moon God found him.
For as much as I love the mystery behind whether or not Khonshu is real or another alter of some kind... I really dislike the Charlie Huston run. I know that people love it, but, just... as someone presently undergoing the lengthy psychological evaluation process for potential DID... it feels stigmatizing? Like. I mean. It's mainly just the face-ripping-off and skin-wearing scene in issue 2. Like, I can get behind an antihero and what that entails. Whatever. But the sheer brutality just... I don't want to tell loved ones or friends that I'm being tested for a condition only for them to start looking at me like I'm Buffalo Bill... Like imagine you felt some weird lumps, and decide to get tested for cancer. As you wait for results, you tell your parents. And they look at you with fear. Not of the cancer, but a fear of you. Because, last night, they saw a horror movie where cancer caused someone to mutate into a monster. Imagine knowing that such a reaction not only exists, but is widespread. And now stomach it. Maybe you try to hold off - "I'll tell them once my results are back," leaving you waiting. You fear a positive, less for what it means for you, but instead for what it means to those around you... It... It sucks, man.
Khonshu is in fact real, the Age of Khonshu from Avengers run proves that everyone can see him if he desires plus the last form isn't Khonshu since he in this moment in time it's imprisioned in Asgard from his defeat in "Age of Khonshu"
I find it interesting that we would characterize his condition as DID. But you bring up some very interesting points. It was a point of contention I’ve been thinking about since the show came out.
Part of that is because Moon Knight was one of the few handful of heros serving as representation of the disorder, and with with it want to see it done positively and accurately. And taking away DID from the characters meant deleting one of the few representations they had with any positive aspects to it. Everybody wants a hero like them, and Moon Knight was that for a lot of DID systems. (Moon Knight and Crazy Jane from Doom Patrol are literally the only mainstream comic book DID systems I have ever heard about, and taking one away isn't going to fix the issues with their representations)
@@samdalseide5060 Okay, good to hear that there are more, but 2 things: 1) I don't think she can be qualified as "mainstream" representation, and 2) Her being a villain might be an issue. (Idk the character much, so she could be handled well, idk. But Daredevil is usually really good about respectful disability and disorder representation, especially in recent years, so maybe I'll read some stuff about her)
@@samdalseide5060 Okay, the fact that it seems her appearance in the Elektra movie wrote out her DID entirely, and Season 2 of Iron Fist, which did include her DID, has a "serial killer alter" so that kinda answers my question of if she is handled well... (I haven't watched either so I can't say for sure, but reading summaries of her depictions in those says a lot. Those are her most prominent live-action appearances, though, I hope reading into her comics history will be better, since Iron Fist was a few years ago now)
@@Hey-Its-Dingo There was already a very similar superhero that officially had DID since his first appearance in 1983, long before Moon Knight officially came out as having DID. (And it was more accurate to the disorder than the Moon Knight comics, up until the 2016 Jeff Lemire Moon Knight). That being "The Badger", who was a kid that suffered abuse from his father almost every single day of his life. Eventually ran away from home to join the army in Vietnam, where he would get captured and tortured from months. His mental health deteriorated further and a Badger Goddess comes to him in a vision, choosing him as her avatar of vengeance. The Badger is a superhero with DID, Schizophrenia, and he only has the power to communicate/control animals (with Martial arts training in the mix). Only real big difference between Moon Knight and The Badger, is The Badger's mental health is much worse from his trauma and he mostly only fights crimes involving animal abuse. Moon Knight was original conceived as a Bad guy seeking redemption as a superhero, using disguises/aliases to help him preform his tasks. Not mentioned in the video is the fact that Doug Moench in an interview said his Khonshu was never meant to be real, just a near death hallucination that radically changed Marc Spector's life style from evil to good. And he wanted Moon Knight to be subtly Schizophrenic, where he slowly showed signs of being crazy as the comic series went along. But it was never meant to be actual DID, just a Schizophrenic man taking every minor detail in his new superhero lifestyle way too seriously.
@ComicDrake oh I ain't know that thanks, it's still funny imaginging Stan walking out one day to a crazy person talking to himself and fighting nothing and going "That'd make a badass hero"
This was a great video to explain such an oddball character. I also agree it makes sense to have him developed his DID during childhood and that caused Konshus weird goobldy goo to shatter his mind.
Personally, I like the constant shade and ambiguity thrown at Marc’s condition, at least in universe. In my mind, i see it as another layer to Marc’s mental health problems as he can’t tell reality from fantasy, but it also cleverly allows for the whole mythical aspect to keep feeling somewhat mythical. This also applies to the constant back and forth on if Kaunshu is working in Marc’s favor or not. The inability to tell helps drive a larger, overarching mystery narrative to the series. That said, it absolutely needs to be concluded at some point (I’d like your suggested idea with a tact on “Kaunshu has been looking to take care of you, just in ways you couldn’t understand at the time” sort of deal, to sell a more interesting “partnership” between the god and avatar pair), or confirmed out of universe somehow (like in an art of marvel book with notes from industry workers alongside each art piece).
Another great video :-) I think that the moon's phases should control who he is Like Marc being in charge on the first days of the month, then this progressing to Steven and so on to finally being the Moon Knight around every full moon. He could leave himself notes, like "follow this dude, he's bad," and his friends and lovers could support him in his crime-fighting. This would lead him to make mistakes, to question if he wants to do what the alts thinks needs doing, and only be able to fight serious opponents when he's Moon Knight. It would lead to a lot of difficulties, fun, and some cool comics :-)
@@muhammadHassan-kj1jy fewer days certainly, but depending on the number of alts I was thinking that the 28 days in the lunar cycle would split evenly, so if there are three alts Moon Knight would be the main alt for 1/4 of each cycle or one week.
I like the idea that marc always had DID but once he came in contact with Khonshu, instead of Marc himself enhereting all the information of all the past avatars, instead each personality gained equal amounts of information from all avatars.
I absolutely hate when mental is a product from problems, cause If you take away their powers then you take away that health, I find it cool if the character has mental health problems before acquiring powers, or maybe the problems are a product of the powers without being 100% correlated to the powers
When Hunter's Moon is talking to Moon Knight and discussing the chorus, Spector tells him that maybe there was already too much in his head to add a chorus. Implying he had DID before then. The show implies this too. That he was chosen because he was broken.
I think they have. in immortal Hulk, they make the various different Hulks into different personalities. I don't wanna spoil too much because it is a really good series that you might want to check out yourself
they've done the whole "multiple hulks" thing in Immortal, but that always struck me as less D.I.D and more like, actual sentient beings in the one body, especially considering.... later events in the story
Hulk has DID too, depending on the writer I guess. But it's suppose to be one of the reasons his Hulk transformations are so different then She-Hulks or other "Hulk" characters. Hulk is a different alter in Banner that happened to get powers, while She-Hulk is just super powered Jennifer.
I got a theory, what if Marc's DID is how he processes the downloaded info Hunter's Moon talked about? every Alter specializes in a different general field so what if each first started as Marc having childhood trauma DID turned into advanced knowledge split up amongst 3-5 minds
Also Moon Knight was a fragment in the Moench run. DID is very random and doesn’t always have a identifiable pattern. There is a type of alter called a fictive, an alter based on fictional characters in the world, so him developing his avatar persona as a non complex fragment (an alter that only co-fronts, which is what we see in Moench and Lemire and more).
Its my personal theory that the reason his mind is broken into those personality’s or identities is that he was dying in front of Konshu’s idol when he accepted him. His soul was beginning to depart and hadn’t chosen an afterlife, before being dragged back into his body. The split of physical, mental, and spiritual creating separate identities from the original.
So… allow me to politely disagree that having Marc’s condition not actually be true DID but an affect of Konshu is a 10/10 idea. I get why it appears that way, because in theory it sidesteps the problems with botched representation both in the characters past and moving forward. Except… as far as most readers are concerned it’s effectively DID regardless of technicalities, especially if they don’t have life experience with real life people with DID to compare it to. By way of illustration, here’s a comparison. In Silence of the Lambs, it’s said flat out that Buffalo Bill is not actually transgender (well, they say “transexual” in the film), but most audiences don’t remember that. They remember Bill putting on lipstick and going “would you f*ck me,” and that image is still wielded against trans women to this day. Overtime the technicalities fade, leaving a harmful core that leaves audiences remembering what characters condition looked like regardless of what it actually was. And all the mis-steps in representation come along with that. To it another way… if this isn’t actually DID then nobody should be calling these other identities “alters” because it’s taking the language of an actual condition and slapping it onto superhero nonsense, cheapening it’s use and meaning.
Your content is fantastic and this one is no exception. I really appreciate how carefully you tackle mental health and how you take time to focus the audience on what Marvel screwed up in the character's inception and how subsequent writers made efforts to cement his mental health as a core component of the character. Awesome, man. Just awesome. Ultimately, I would really like Marc to actually have a mental health disorder as that's something that definitely exists in the "world outside our windows." I do, however, want it to be handled with care and for the writers to actually take time to fully understand what they're writing about in a way that doesn't further other those of us who suffer from some mental health concerns. I think it can be done and I hope that we get to see a respectful and honest exploration of super heroes living with mental health issues someday.
The first place I saw Moon Knight was in Spiderman Web of Shadows. He seemed cool but under utilized. Thanks to you Drake he has slowly become one of my favorite characters. Have a damn good day man and thanks for the educational entertainment :D
Seems like Disney+ show is taking a little bit of inspiration from each run and doing their own thing. Because it seems like every run is it has contradicted itself and refuses to be consistent about it. And there’s also a god confusion everyone’s gonna get it. If the Egyptian gods are real then how do they interact with Norse gods or Greek gods like Thor and Hercules.
I loved the show so much! It was such a great show to watch. I like how he has d.I.d cause it’s such an interesting characteristic, And adds story and character. It’s fun watching his different personalities interact! I like the contrast between the mild mannered Steven compared to the abused army vet marc.
I have a different take on "the one who lives on hearts." (Some of it might be slight spoilers for the Ellis et al run.) The psychiatrist says it's a secret aspect Marc taps into in his most violent moments, but she's not basing that on studying Marc in some way that could identify those moments, she just read about Khonshu and is speculating about how it applies. I think the big message of the third volume of the run that started with Ellis is that this most bloodthirsty aspect of Khonshu is expressed through *other* avatars that Marc didn't know existed. In that volume he encounters two different murderous villains who both claim to be servants of Khonshu, and at least one of them is confirmed to actually be by the context of the story. That's the secret revealed in the story about this "secret aspect": that Marc's not the only conduit, and not all aspects are expressed through him. The Khonshu of the Huston run could be seen as the heart eater aspect perhaps, but that was before establishing that idea, and it was an entirely different portrayal of him that was nothing but that one insanely violent aspect. Whatever that was, I don't think it's clear how it applies to the later portrayal of him. Also, as far as the Ellis/Wood run establishing Marc has a brain injury instead of DID, that information was simply stated by his psychiatrist... who, for spoilery reasons, is obviously not a trustworthy source and not someone who has Marc's best interests in mind. Since her goal was to manipulate both Marc and Khonshu, I think anything she told Marc that can't be corroborated from another source can be dismissed entirely. Later, in the Lemire run, Khonshu tells Marc that he's always been weak of mind, and that's why he's a desirable choice for a god to work through, inhabit, and possibly take over entirely. So I guess we all have to decide who's more trustworthy: the villain psychiatrist trying to mess with Marc's mind and Khonshu's perceptions, or a vision of Khonshu that might also be saying whatever to manipulate him, or might just be a figment of Marc's imagination. Either way, I don't think these examples establish absolute canon on Marc's mental state one way or another.
I think the 2021 comic should re make the origin of the did, and Just let it there and continue making stories, bu well, next month we will have some Konshu back into mark, so lets see
I personally like the shows version of moon knight because I think he already had some sort of DID with him always making Steven “take over” when he was about to get beaten but I also think Konshu made it more severe making them like full on new people with different accents and I think Konshu just added Jake Lockley as a fail safe if he needed to free Marc or Steven like he did in the show
great video but I have to say I really disagree with your opinion that marvel should settle with a single explanation for his DID, a big part of the fun in moon knight is interpreting what is real and what is from his head, and in my opinion one of the best ways to show this is by having various characters have different opinions on how mark's DID works, it really makes it seem like everyone is as lost as we are, it's also really nice how almost every run introduces a new interpretation of it
You provided a better understanding of most of these comics than I ever got reading them on my own. Thanks! It's also good to know that I wasn't the only one frustrated with marvel's inability to make a decision on Marc's DID in the comics. Here's to hoping the tv show does a better job!
Long time no comment, still following. A friend of mine introduced me to moon knight right before the pandemic hit and I read everything after the 2006 run that was available at the time then read the one that was midrun at the time if I recall correctly. Great stuff. Loved it. Whats your take on what happened to comixology? I haven't been reading much recently because of it.
This is the reason it confuses me so much when people complain the show isn’t comic accurate; comic book characters have constantly evolving portrayals as is, but especially with Moon Knight there’s so few through lines on his portrayal that an entirely new approach is only marginally less “accurate” than deciding to go with one run or another. The screenwriters did a good job of finding a balance that would work well on screen, considering how many conflicting runs they had to sift through.
I would like it if they made it so that marc had DID when khonshu choose him as his avater.And marc DID changed to suit his new position. He gained a new identify for each phase of the moon and each identity had a different costume and weapons and skill set when they become moon knight
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you're misleading. Marc says directly that it was "too crowded in there", saying that it was because of his DID he couldn't recieve previous MK's knowledge.
that was a guess, we can only speculate as to why marc didn't get the gift of the chorus. it's most likely because he already knew how to fight
I like the angle the show is taking, where it seems Mark already had DID before he met Konshu but when he became the avatar the DID got worse, more pronounced, more lively, more uncontrollable, and lead to Mark's ability to speak to his alters. It supports the concept of DID not being a contagious illness while also explaining its more fantastical depiction as the effect magic has on the real condition.
The easiest solution for the DID conundrum would be to just clarifiy that Mark already had DID when Konshu chose him as his new champion, but when Konshu tried to put the memories of the former Moonknights in him he didn't realise that Mark had DID which caused the multiple memories to get split up by all of Marks alters, thus giving them all certain abilities of the Moonknight and thus changing the nature of Marks DID in the process.
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Talking about how each of Marc's alters has their own variation of the Moon Knight costume, I would love for this to be explored in other stories, and since the Disney Plus show is leaning into that idea a lot more, I would love to see what kind of costume they give Jake Lockley, maybe one that resembles a cowboy.
Nah, it's gotta be Kill Mode, because it's likely that he is the one killing the people
I mean it would be kind of cool, but I want the show to be comic accurate man, not another Netflix Iron Fist thing
@@zinkie_koormens5412 yeah, but we've already seen major deviations from the comics, like Steven not being Rich Man Dude, and Mister Knight being a Steven suit, while the ceremonial armour is Marc's suit, so I just think we need to see another cool suit that fits with the murderer vibe that this version of Jake seemingly gives off
@@Justsomedudeokay yeah you have a good point but I don't think him having a cowboy suit that he's running around with would be bad
@@zinkie_koormens5412 they can do something new as long as it would still work well for the character imo
I really like the 2016 run’s approach to Moon Knight’s psychology, where their DID formed from childhood trauma (much like real DID) and Konshu being a destructive force trying to force Marc to be Konshu rather than simply embracing his alters as all being the “real moon knight”, there was a wonderful metaphor I read about DID in regards to the idea of a “true self”; if you were to drop a ceramic pot, and then glue all then shards back together, I’d be really silly to ask “so which shard is the real pot?”, they’re all real, they’re just simply fragmented pieces of a whole. Anyways I’m a fan of Moon Knight having DID but Konshu being an outside force that’s entered the System
It’s a shame the comics are using a “communion with Khonshu caused the DID” approach, because I like it better the “Marc already had DID, but it was twisted into something alien and not quiet like DID” approach. Idk I find more interesting the idea that people with mental illness can also become heroes, but with the caveat that the trauma they might acquire while doing hero stuff or what lead them to that path might worsen their condition even more.
It seems like their doing both and picking and choosing when and which one applies to him. He's a chaotic character so I kinda prefer the Flippy reasons we get
Currently the latter is the truth. They only went with that idea in Ellis run.
This is actually what the comics are doing. Marc says that the horrifying alien conciousness that has touched his mind is a separate thing than his DID as he licks the sweat off of his crescent dart.
The comics use both, it changes depending on the writer. Lemire uses the Marc always had DID
@@matthewjongbloed6718 It doesn’t matter, because canonically the DID started in childhood. Moench may not have intended for him to have actually had DID, but in universe he does, unless a new writer brings something in that undeniably contradicts the canon.
I'm so glad the show is making each alter extremely distinct, even though outwardly, he's still super duper handsome Oscar Isaac.
I still want Jake's Moon Knight to have his own costume, like the black and white one, but now, I kinda want that "mind breaking" one as his design as a backup, because it's different enough with it's silhouette.
Oscar Isaac was perfect casting.
I want Jake's version of the costume to be the ghost puncher version from the comics.
my dream outfit for Jake will always be the one that shows up in What If? (1977) Issue #34 at the bottom of page 22
I believe that Konshu is real, due to the fact that other mythological figures are real in Marvel, most notably Thor and Zeus.
Heck black panther has ties to the egyptian pantheon
Khonshu appeared in the current Avengers run alongside Moon Knight, it's canon he's real now.
@@Patrick-pc3vq ya but that whole arc was trash....really Aaron's whole avengers run has been wack, I'd be fine with memory holing that story
@@joeclarke7982 man, It could have been soooo goood.
@@joeclarke7982 It would be perfect if Marvel ignored that storyline and confrimed it not canon somehow, perhaps him waking up from dreaming it in his own current series haha.
It's kinda amazing to me how quickly and behind the scenes Moon Knight blew up in the last ten years. He's up there with Spider-Man and Daredevil now as the Marvel hero I see with the most devote fans.
Also, it's kinda amazing to think how massively Marvel street heroes have been influenced by Bendis' work. Spider-man, Daredevil, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Moon Knight...
I'll generally agree with you. For the most part, Moon Knight has had some really talented writers for the past 15 years.
But I don't count Bendis as being one of them.
@@adamcampbell2787 I would put Bendis at the bottom with Bemis honestly....to me the best writers in recent years have been Ellis, Lemire, and even though the series is still new and ongoing McKay has done fantastic work so far
@@joeclarke7982 totally agree. The best thing I can say for Bemis is that he had some neat ideas, but he just didn't really pull any of them off very well. Bendis just wrote how Bendis writes in every comic he's ever written and didn't bring anything interesting to Moon Knight.
@@adamcampbell2787 he pulled the ultimate Spiderman series off really well I think (could be biased as I grew up on the ultimate Spiderman video game)
@@austinwalker2000 no you're right the ultimate spiderman is 1 of the best comic runs ever imo
Its always so fun for me as a comic fan to see these not as well known characters and just see them freak out. It's nice to see them having the reaction that we also had when we found them in the pages of our funny books, its a bonding experience between the two different "kinds" of marvel fans. "Woah, is this how moon knight is?!" "yea, man, isn't it cool!"
Yeah, ever since Marvel became mainstream i like this sort of interactions with new fans.
Comic Drake: "I just wish Marvel would establish Mark's D.I.D. in a childhood trauma."
Moon Knight Ep. 5 in the future: Oh really?
That was my favorite part of that show!
In college me and one of my friends wrote a script treatment for a Moon Knight movie that followed a recently immigrated Egyptian cab driver in New York who is saved from a mugging by Moon Knight and takes it upon himself to investigate who Moon Knight actually is. It was very Memento, Fight Club, Mr. Robot inspired. We even wanted Rami Malek to play Marc. Still proud of that project.
Great casting choice!
Honestly, at first glance, the script looks a lot like ACME's perspective of Carmen Sandiego. Fun.
I know I'm in the minority, but I like the way Marvel does Moon Knight. Every series we just start over and make changes. It fits with MK to me.
Same thing they do with the Punisher. Considering how many times Castle "dies" at the end of a run. Only for the next one to never mention it again.
me too, i feel like mcu does it better. because if they go the comic accurate route the comic might change things again and then mcu moon knight would change too because fans want it to be "comic accurate". if mcu moon knight doesn't change every time the comic changes, then it wouldn't be "comic accurate" in the future so what's even the point to be comic accurate, it would just get so much more confusing. i'd rather have a consistent good story, that's just my opinion.
@@jmclimacosa1970 except that there is nothing good in MCU Moon Knight, Moon Knight comics even with all its inconsistencies overall was a way better quality and that's is not my opinion is a FACT
@@Gabe600 that's is just your opinion, but don't be a d*CK about it. If you don't like the MCU show then read one of the past runs that fit your specific taste. Especially the many inconsistent details they keep changing.
0:18 "Moon Knight: The Bottom" okay but which alter
Great question
Steven 100%
the bit where he burns his finger in the coffee cup was far too funny for how subtle it was
Fr tho I was wonder why he was shaking his hand lol
I imagine Moon Knight having a different love interest for each personality, and then ask Spider-Man how to handle all his girlfriends.
Even though the Disney+ series is vaguely like the comics when dealing with this part of him, I am enjoying how they are doing it a lot.
Fell in love with Moon Knight when I unlocked him in lego marvel superheroes and have been reading his comics since then.
Didn't Jason Aaron's Avengers run just make them fight Khonshu? I think it's more than confirmed that he's real now.
Yeah, but everyone is better off just ignoring that book tbh
Yeah but that story has so many plot holes and continuity issues, so it’s best to ignore
yeah, but that's also involves Khonsu taking over the world and Moon Knight gaining the powers of the Iron Fists, Mjolnir and Sorcerer Supreme at once... its very much a "Lets do some super comic book shit" and shouldn't be taken any further then that. Like, as far as im aware, this Avengers run atm is mostly the Avengers stockpiling a bunch of various "mantle" powers (the Starbrand, the previously mentioned powers, Black Panther and so on) to fight Mephisto and his multiverse counterparts so its all very.... idk, just comic book-ey. Its fun for the sake of it.
10:36 the coffee gag made me chuckle
I thought it wasn't a coffee gag, and that he just played it off as smoothly as possible
i gravitate towards the stories that handle certain takes on illnesses, like some hulk stories and moon knight sounds interesting to read
Given Warsame's intentions, I feel like her assessment of "You dont have d.i.d. Khonshu did this to you lmao" should be taken with a grain of salt. I personally fall under the belief that he's always had it, and communion with Khonshu/becoming Moon Knight had... interesting effects on his condition. Because I feel like it makes more sense (as far as superheros and ancient gods go), and because I like the idea of someone with mental illness independent of their powers/superheroing going on to become a hero despite their condition.
That being said, if Dr. Badr sticks around, and I hope he does because I like him as a character, it would be interesting to see how Khonshu's influence has had it's effect on other people given the eldritch horror nature of the relationship. And if they do, I hope it isn't just "Badr also has D.I.D." both because that could become VERY cheap and derivative, and because different people react to situations differently. The human psyche is complicated and messy, and it would be very interesting to explore how two people cope with the same thing happening to them, especially given how very different Marc and Badr's personalities and outlooks are.
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We need Moon Knight to actually canonically fight Dracula. And to fight with all sorts of random bullshit. That’s what we need I think.
It makes more sense that he had DID already and that Khonshu’s influence thereafter caused some abnormal effects.
This would explain why the alters can interact with each other directly via the supernatural influence, as this does not happen in DID even if a person is aware of their alters.
~_~
DiD is different for everyone though. Some people can interact with their alters while others can't just like how some may have 3-8 alters while others have dozens more. There's no one size fits all.
@@Tuskbumper While true, I doubt having a conversation outside of the headspace like Marc does is possible, and I think that was OP’s point
That's clever, it basically gives them an excuse for whenever they get something wrong about DID.
My brother has DID, and he has said his alters are able to talk to him. (Long before he was even aware of Moon Knight, or very many media depictions)
One time, he told me that one of his alters told him that I was being annoying one night while she, that alter is a girl, was playing video games with her friends on Discord. Lol
@@Ale-km3ux i can tell you know nothing about DID
I heavily prefer marc actually having d.I.d, moon knight not being an alter, and it being unclear if khonshu is real or in their head
I really loved your explanations and your thoughts about moonknight. You not only give pretty accurate details on the personas but you don't fully dwell on assumptions. Instead you explain the comparisons and differences in each comic you talk about unlike some other videos I have seen! Well done!
Thanks! I actually read the comics I talk about. 😜
I would definitely rather they ultimately commit to him having already developed DID when he was younger and the stuff with Khonshu just adversly affecting it in some way. Hell, it may well even be that Marc did have DID but it went pretty much unnoticed for a long time until Khonshu showed up causing some of his alters to rise to the surface (maybe because the Moon Knight persona is supposed to be sort of a mix between the avatar and Khonshu himself, but because there are actually multiple identities in there it messed up the balance and gave the other alters just as much control as Marc)
For now I like the way the show is handling things even if the talking to each other through a mirror is a tad goofy and cliche (though again that part could be because of Khonshu's meddling) so I'll be intrigued to see how things go when Jake comes along as presently it seems like neither Steve nor Marc know who or what he is
I really wish you'd do some basic research into the history of how what's currently called DID has been diagnosed over the years. You keep busting on the early issues for using the "wrong" terminology when, in fact, they were fairly accurate to DSM-III, which was brand new in 1980 and first defined a whole class of dissociative disorders, a class which was still very broad at the time. The term DID didn't even exist until 1994 when DSM-IV renamed what had been called multiple personality disorder (in DSM-III) and refined the definition somewhat, with further revisions later in DSM-V.
Go back even a few years before Moon Knight and the diagnosis under DSM-II would have been "hysterical neurosis of a dissociative type" and the definition would have been even looser. Even today with (hopefully) better understanding of what's involved, the commonplace overlap in symptoms between DID and schizophrenia spectrum disorders complicates diagnosis of both, and you can certainly suffer from both at the same time. The whole subject is a complex one, especially for a comic written by laymen, and calling out the early creators for not using modern terminology is about as unreasonable as criticizing a Victorian era physician for prescribing mercury treatments for syphilis rather than anti-biotics. You can't work with what doesn't exist yet.
It would be a funny retcon if the reason Khonshu is drawn to a man with DID, is that Khonshu is a Cosmic Being who also have the human equivalent of DID. Even funnier if each aspect can also talk with each other either coordinating or just bickering, similar to how Marc can talk with his own alters. Writer's seem to keep changing Moon Knight so If they are going to keep retconning him every run, might as well have fun with different concepts.
That would be easy to did since Khonshu is a deity, they could go with the other identities being different human interpretations of Khonshu. Kinda like how Heros of Olympus depicts the Greek and Roman aspects of the gods.
I like his depiction in the show the most, and I really hope we get a season 2.
See I like the fact that MK isn't consistent. Because he was in this lovely spot between people know him enough for new books and obscure enough so nobody cares, it makes each book their own little enjoyable capsule of differing and contradicting takes
I hope when jake gets in the show he will get the creepy mask he got in 2014
I like your idea drake! To add onto it, I like the idea that the Egyptian god (not gonna try to spell it) intentionally sought out mark BECAUSE of his D.I.D., because the god likes to torture mark a lot, and he knows nobody would actually believe him, save for maybe doctor strange, because Stephen and the god are bitter exes
A great exploration, I'd heard all these mini-series out of order (and skipped the original books entirely) so seeing Moon Knight really come together through several writers was interesting.
I think it's worth noting that before the 2021 series, Moon Knight was an Avengers villain for a while with actual moon powers, so Khonshu was definitely real in that
He was a villain in one arc and that story was doo doo. That story removes the entire mystery whether konshu is real
@@matthewjongbloed6718 I don't disagree with any of that, actually
Great vid man! Worth the effort you put in for sure! Thanks for putting forth so much effort in making this awesome content!
Did anyone else notice when he accidentally dipped his finger into his mug and didn’t acknowledge it😂
7:30 that's the inner child
His Moon Knight Solo series was actually about 5 years after his debut I Werewolf By Night
It's been stated that the writers of the show want a more realistic depiction of DID, so they're likely to take the Marc developed DID at some point in his life BEFORE the Moon God found him.
For as much as I love the mystery behind whether or not Khonshu is real or another alter of some kind...
I really dislike the Charlie Huston run. I know that people love it, but, just... as someone presently undergoing the lengthy psychological evaluation process for potential DID... it feels stigmatizing?
Like. I mean. It's mainly just the face-ripping-off and skin-wearing scene in issue 2.
Like, I can get behind an antihero and what that entails. Whatever.
But the sheer brutality just...
I don't want to tell loved ones or friends that I'm being tested for a condition only for them to start looking at me like I'm Buffalo Bill... Like imagine you felt some weird lumps, and decide to get tested for cancer. As you wait for results, you tell your parents. And they look at you with fear. Not of the cancer, but a fear of you. Because, last night, they saw a horror movie where cancer caused someone to mutate into a monster.
Imagine knowing that such a reaction not only exists, but is widespread. And now stomach it. Maybe you try to hold off - "I'll tell them once my results are back," leaving you waiting. You fear a positive, less for what it means for you, but instead for what it means to those around you...
It... It sucks, man.
how can the moon god not be real if he heals him constantly?
Season 2 better have Dracula in it
There won’t be a season 2
Yeah it's a limited series like Wandavision
Amen
Should have Morbius
@@wildfiresp9606 Morbius is a Sony property
Khonshu is in fact real, the Age of Khonshu from Avengers run proves that everyone can see him if he desires plus the last form isn't Khonshu since he in this moment in time it's imprisioned in Asgard from his defeat in "Age of Khonshu"
I find it interesting that we would characterize his condition as DID. But you bring up some very interesting points. It was a point of contention I’ve been thinking about since the show came out.
Part of that is because Moon Knight was one of the few handful of heros serving as representation of the disorder, and with with it want to see it done positively and accurately. And taking away DID from the characters meant deleting one of the few representations they had with any positive aspects to it. Everybody wants a hero like them, and Moon Knight was that for a lot of DID systems. (Moon Knight and Crazy Jane from Doom Patrol are literally the only mainstream comic book DID systems I have ever heard about, and taking one away isn't going to fix the issues with their representations)
@@Hey-Its-Dingo Typhoid Mary is another comics character with DID. She's usually a Daredevil villain.
@@samdalseide5060 Okay, good to hear that there are more, but 2 things: 1) I don't think she can be qualified as "mainstream" representation, and 2) Her being a villain might be an issue. (Idk the character much, so she could be handled well, idk. But Daredevil is usually really good about respectful disability and disorder representation, especially in recent years, so maybe I'll read some stuff about her)
@@samdalseide5060 Okay, the fact that it seems her appearance in the Elektra movie wrote out her DID entirely, and Season 2 of Iron Fist, which did include her DID, has a "serial killer alter" so that kinda answers my question of if she is handled well... (I haven't watched either so I can't say for sure, but reading summaries of her depictions in those says a lot. Those are her most prominent live-action appearances, though, I hope reading into her comics history will be better, since Iron Fist was a few years ago now)
@@Hey-Its-Dingo There was already a very similar superhero that officially had DID since his first appearance in 1983, long before Moon Knight officially came out as having DID. (And it was more accurate to the disorder than the Moon Knight comics, up until the 2016 Jeff Lemire Moon Knight).
That being "The Badger", who was a kid that suffered abuse from his father almost every single day of his life. Eventually ran away from home to join the army in Vietnam, where he would get captured and tortured from months. His mental health deteriorated further and a Badger Goddess comes to him in a vision, choosing him as her avatar of vengeance.
The Badger is a superhero with DID, Schizophrenia, and he only has the power to communicate/control animals (with Martial arts training in the mix).
Only real big difference between Moon Knight and The Badger, is The Badger's mental health is much worse from his trauma and he mostly only fights crimes involving animal abuse.
Moon Knight was original conceived as a Bad guy seeking redemption as a superhero, using disguises/aliases to help him preform his tasks. Not mentioned in the video is the fact that Doug Moench in an interview said his Khonshu was never meant to be real, just a near death hallucination that radically changed Marc Spector's life style from evil to good.
And he wanted Moon Knight to be subtly Schizophrenic, where he slowly showed signs of being crazy as the comic series went along. But it was never meant to be actual DID, just a Schizophrenic man taking every minor detail in his new superhero lifestyle way too seriously.
I always thought Stan Lee was inspired by some crazy homeless guy running around outside fighting imaginary beasts at night for Moon Knight
Stan Lee had nothing to do with Moon Knight's creation.
@ComicDrake oh I ain't know that thanks, it's still funny imaginging Stan walking out one day to a crazy person talking to himself and fighting nothing and going "That'd make a badass hero"
This was a great video to explain such an oddball character. I also agree it makes sense to have him developed his DID during childhood and that caused Konshus weird goobldy goo to shatter his mind.
Personally, I like the constant shade and ambiguity thrown at Marc’s condition, at least in universe. In my mind, i see it as another layer to Marc’s mental health problems as he can’t tell reality from fantasy, but it also cleverly allows for the whole mythical aspect to keep feeling somewhat mythical. This also applies to the constant back and forth on if Kaunshu is working in Marc’s favor or not. The inability to tell helps drive a larger, overarching mystery narrative to the series.
That said, it absolutely needs to be concluded at some point (I’d like your suggested idea with a tact on “Kaunshu has been looking to take care of you, just in ways you couldn’t understand at the time” sort of deal, to sell a more interesting “partnership” between the god and avatar pair), or confirmed out of universe somehow (like in an art of marvel book with notes from industry workers alongside each art piece).
Moon Knight and Mr Knight look so cool Man
Jeff Lemere's run has great psychological twists and the lastest moon knight run is a more straight up awesome run
Relatively new to moonknight But he is quickly becoming One of my favorite Characters in comics
The writers should have just made a personality and identity for each phase of the moon and a different suit for each identity
The show is what got me into moon night and I think it’s one of my favorite properties containing him
6:35 why does Khonshu look like Bushman?
At 10:35 he dips his finger into the coffee cup and then shakes coffee off of his fingers 😂😂😂
Another great video :-) I think that the moon's phases should control who he is Like Marc being in charge on the first days of the month, then this progressing to Steven and so on to finally being the Moon Knight around every full moon. He could leave himself notes, like "follow this dude, he's bad," and his friends and lovers could support him in his crime-fighting. This would lead him to make mistakes, to question if he wants to do what the alts thinks needs doing, and only be able to fight serious opponents when he's Moon Knight. It would lead to a lot of difficulties, fun, and some cool comics :-)
But that would mean he can only fight a few days every month
@@muhammadHassan-kj1jy fewer days certainly, but depending on the number of alts I was thinking that the 28 days in the lunar cycle would split evenly, so if there are three alts Moon Knight would be the main alt for 1/4 of each cycle or one week.
It would have been fitting if Moonknight personalities were linked with lunar phases.
I like the idea that marc always had DID but once he came in contact with Khonshu, instead of Marc himself enhereting all the information of all the past avatars, instead each personality gained equal amounts of information from all avatars.
Super amazing video!! Really insightful, nice work!
I absolutely hate when mental is a product from problems, cause If you take away their powers then you take away that health, I find it cool if the character has mental health problems before acquiring powers, or maybe the problems are a product of the powers without being 100% correlated to the powers
When Hunter's Moon is talking to Moon Knight and discussing the chorus, Spector tells him that maybe there was already too much in his head to add a chorus. Implying he had DID before then. The show implies this too. That he was chosen because he was broken.
You should make a episode about everyone who use a web shooter
I've been looking forward to this video really enjoyed it.
Another banger of a vid, good stuff!
Has marvel ever done a DID consent with the hulk? Cause I feel like that’s obvious and could be pretty interesting
I think they have. in immortal Hulk, they make the various different Hulks into different personalities. I don't wanna spoil too much because it is a really good series that you might want to check out yourself
they've done the whole "multiple hulks" thing in Immortal, but that always struck me as less D.I.D and more like, actual sentient beings in the one body, especially considering.... later events in the story
Hulk has DID too, depending on the writer I guess. But it's suppose to be one of the reasons his Hulk transformations are so different then She-Hulks or other "Hulk" characters. Hulk is a different alter in Banner that happened to get powers, while She-Hulk is just super powered Jennifer.
I got a theory, what if Marc's DID is how he processes the downloaded info Hunter's Moon talked about?
every Alter specializes in a different general field so what if each first started as Marc having childhood trauma DID turned into advanced knowledge split up amongst 3-5 minds
Also Moon Knight was a fragment in the Moench run. DID is very random and doesn’t always have a identifiable pattern. There is a type of alter called a fictive, an alter based on fictional characters in the world, so him developing his avatar persona as a non complex fragment (an alter that only co-fronts, which is what we see in Moench and Lemire and more).
I want to see Lockley's doll costume return. It's a creepy design and perfect for the aspect meant to represent Marc's dark side.
I think almost/successfully getting murdered is traumatizing enough to develop a mental illness
Its my personal theory that the reason his mind is broken into those personality’s or identities is that he was dying in front of Konshu’s idol when he accepted him. His soul was beginning to depart and hadn’t chosen an afterlife, before being dragged back into his body. The split of physical, mental, and spiritual creating separate identities from the original.
ok but do Marc's alters know about Dracula's debt to Moon Knight?
So… allow me to politely disagree that having Marc’s condition not actually be true DID but an affect of Konshu is a 10/10 idea. I get why it appears that way, because in theory it sidesteps the problems with botched representation both in the characters past and moving forward. Except… as far as most readers are concerned it’s effectively DID regardless of technicalities, especially if they don’t have life experience with real life people with DID to compare it to.
By way of illustration, here’s a comparison. In Silence of the Lambs, it’s said flat out that Buffalo Bill is not actually transgender (well, they say “transexual” in the film), but most audiences don’t remember that. They remember Bill putting on lipstick and going “would you f*ck me,” and that image is still wielded against trans women to this day. Overtime the technicalities fade, leaving a harmful core that leaves audiences remembering what characters condition looked like regardless of what it actually was. And all the mis-steps in representation come along with that.
To it another way… if this isn’t actually DID then nobody should be calling these other identities “alters” because it’s taking the language of an actual condition and slapping it onto superhero nonsense, cheapening it’s use and meaning.
Noticed you skipped right over Moonie kicking the crap out of the Avengers. Good call
"I've had a God in my brain. I wouldn't recommend it." - Erik Selvig
Your content is fantastic and this one is no exception. I really appreciate how carefully you tackle mental health and how you take time to focus the audience on what Marvel screwed up in the character's inception and how subsequent writers made efforts to cement his mental health as a core component of the character. Awesome, man. Just awesome.
Ultimately, I would really like Marc to actually have a mental health disorder as that's something that definitely exists in the "world outside our windows." I do, however, want it to be handled with care and for the writers to actually take time to fully understand what they're writing about in a way that doesn't further other those of us who suffer from some mental health concerns. I think it can be done and I hope that we get to see a respectful and honest exploration of super heroes living with mental health issues someday.
I think his multiple personalities are like each Phase of the moon
The first place I saw Moon Knight was in Spiderman Web of Shadows. He seemed cool but under utilized. Thanks to you Drake he has slowly become one of my favorite characters. Have a damn good day man and thanks for the educational entertainment :D
Seems like Disney+ show is taking a little bit of inspiration from each run and doing their own thing. Because it seems like every run is it has contradicted itself and refuses to be consistent about it. And there’s also a god confusion everyone’s gonna get it. If the Egyptian gods are real then how do they interact with Norse gods or Greek gods like Thor and Hercules.
Drake, I just wanna say in Moon Knight (2014) the doctor actually confirms that "the one who lives on hearts" is Khonshu.
I loved the show so much! It was such a great show to watch. I like how he has d.I.d cause it’s such an interesting characteristic, And adds story and character. It’s fun watching his different personalities interact! I like the contrast between the mild mannered Steven compared to the abused army vet marc.
8:03
Some characters have Kung Fu grip, Moon Knight has DiD.
10/10 from a 0/10 human being, loved it haha
I have a different take on "the one who lives on hearts." (Some of it might be slight spoilers for the Ellis et al run.) The psychiatrist says it's a secret aspect Marc taps into in his most violent moments, but she's not basing that on studying Marc in some way that could identify those moments, she just read about Khonshu and is speculating about how it applies. I think the big message of the third volume of the run that started with Ellis is that this most bloodthirsty aspect of Khonshu is expressed through *other* avatars that Marc didn't know existed. In that volume he encounters two different murderous villains who both claim to be servants of Khonshu, and at least one of them is confirmed to actually be by the context of the story. That's the secret revealed in the story about this "secret aspect": that Marc's not the only conduit, and not all aspects are expressed through him.
The Khonshu of the Huston run could be seen as the heart eater aspect perhaps, but that was before establishing that idea, and it was an entirely different portrayal of him that was nothing but that one insanely violent aspect. Whatever that was, I don't think it's clear how it applies to the later portrayal of him.
Also, as far as the Ellis/Wood run establishing Marc has a brain injury instead of DID, that information was simply stated by his psychiatrist... who, for spoilery reasons, is obviously not a trustworthy source and not someone who has Marc's best interests in mind. Since her goal was to manipulate both Marc and Khonshu, I think anything she told Marc that can't be corroborated from another source can be dismissed entirely.
Later, in the Lemire run, Khonshu tells Marc that he's always been weak of mind, and that's why he's a desirable choice for a god to work through, inhabit, and possibly take over entirely. So I guess we all have to decide who's more trustworthy: the villain psychiatrist trying to mess with Marc's mind and Khonshu's perceptions, or a vision of Khonshu that might also be saying whatever to manipulate him, or might just be a figment of Marc's imagination. Either way, I don't think these examples establish absolute canon on Marc's mental state one way or another.
Judging from this, Warren Ellis is still on the outs?
I think the 2021 comic should re make the origin of the did, and Just let it there and continue making stories, bu well, next month we will have some Konshu back into mark, so lets see
No references to the Bemis run (other than the cause of his DID). That's how you know he's a fan
I really REALLY did not like Bemis' run, especially after Lemire did such a great job before him.
I personally like the shows version of moon knight because I think he already had some sort of DID with him always making Steven “take over” when he was about to get beaten but I also think Konshu made it more severe making them like full on new people with different accents and I think Konshu just added Jake Lockley as a fail safe if he needed to free Marc or Steven like he did in the show
great video but I have to say I really disagree with your opinion that marvel should settle with a single explanation for his DID, a big part of the fun in moon knight is interpreting what is real and what is from his head, and in my opinion one of the best ways to show this is by having various characters have different opinions on how mark's DID works, it really makes it seem like everyone is as lost as we are, it's also really nice how almost every run introduces a new interpretation of it
Yeh i agree with this
In real life, a mental illness doesn't always have a clear-cut explanation, either
You provided a better understanding of most of these comics than I ever got reading them on my own. Thanks! It's also good to know that I wasn't the only one frustrated with marvel's inability to make a decision on Marc's DID in the comics. Here's to hoping the tv show does a better job!
Long time no comment, still following. A friend of mine introduced me to moon knight right before the pandemic hit and I read everything after the 2006 run that was available at the time then read the one that was midrun at the time if I recall correctly. Great stuff. Loved it.
Whats your take on what happened to comixology? I haven't been reading much recently because of it.
What happened with Comixology?
@@muhammadHassan-kj1jy Check Nerdsync's video. I'm pretty upset about it. It was the primary way I read comics.
Great video Drake
I love that he had DID as a kid and I want them to keep that explaination
This is the reason it confuses me so much when people complain the show isn’t comic accurate; comic book characters have constantly evolving portrayals as is, but especially with Moon Knight there’s so few through lines on his portrayal that an entirely new approach is only marginally less “accurate” than deciding to go with one run or another. The screenwriters did a good job of finding a balance that would work well on screen, considering how many conflicting runs they had to sift through.
I love the comment section here, there are a lot who use the correct terms but to those who don't;
But please say Alters instead of personalities
This is a good video keep up the good work
Loved the video thanks the video
I would like it if they made it so that marc had DID when khonshu choose him as his avater.And marc DID changed to suit his new position. He gained a new identify for each phase of the moon and each identity had a different costume and weapons and skill set when they become moon knight
10:35 drake burned his finger
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