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Years ago, there was an issues of Superman/ Batman where they were dealing with a teenager Toy Master. Powergirl was a side character, the artist drew Kara's apartment and clothes closet, there were around a dozen different type of Powergirl out fits in it, also she wore four different outfits in the issue which covered a week of story telling. So she changes her clothes as often as she changes her mind, it is what women do.
9:36 Indeed. It would be amusing to draw attention to some of the more garish 80's redesigns too. Xavier's yellow spandex and Magneto's M suit, come to mind.
I think it's funny, because any highly censored version could have the letters "PG" where the window should be. I think it's a good censorship gag for them
@@ExeErdna Well... Seeing the state of the times, why not give her to a feminist writer like Gail Simone and just lean in to those aspects? Do something at least.
@@RickReasonnz Gail's writing skills dulled over the years she's make her worse off than she is now. She needs somebody like John Byrne that can bring in some comedy and action and lean into that while having undertones of the feminism.
I love how DC ran with it. They fully acknowledged the boobs in storylines. They made the controversy a running joke. Powergirl once told a disguised Green Arrow "go ahead and look, it just gives me a reason to hit you harder." as she was flying at him.
First, boobs are never stupid. Powergirl being Kryptonian never bothered me, but the Atlantean part does. One of the more memorable Powergirl moments was a relatively recent comic where she confronts a young guy taking a camera pic of her chest.
Reminds me of that one dude who got upset a guy was taking a picture of his gf cosplaying power girl and made a entire comic out of it. basically he was being a classic “white knight”
Me the tenth time the costume changed: "Stop! She's already dead!" But also, thank you drake for calling her out for being a jerk to Star Spangle Kid. He was trying to be nice and got such an extreme reaction.
Now it just makes me wish Melissa Benoist appears as Power Girl on the Stargirl show just for that one bit. Like “what the hell Karen? I made this for you as a gift, you didn’t have to freaking break it!”
This whole thing reminds me of that scene in Justice League: War with the mob protesting Wonder Woman and she has that monologue about how her skimpy outfit makes her feel powerful… while she’s wearing a much more conservative outfit that only exists in that universe
Biggest Power Girl controversy is gonna be when she reveals the only reason her back isn't hurting on the daily is because of her incredible super-strength
I actually find Power-Girl to be one of the few super-heroines with an openly sexual costume that feels appropriate for the character. She openly embraces her sexuality and it plays into her character without it being degrading. It doesn’t make sense for a character like the Invisible Woman or Big Barda to have inherently sexual costumes, because that’s not fitting to who they are portrayed as on the pages. But Power-Girl is staunchly feminist in nature, and it’s empowering for her.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN THINKING. It makes sense for characters like Power Girl or Starfire to dress in a sexy way, hell, Starfire's whole character is getting used to the discriminatory Earth custom towards sex and sexuality, because in her planet there's no taboo in all of that. But with characters like Huntress or Invisible Woman? Sue is supposed to be a serious scientist and a mother, it doesn't make sense for her to dress in a skimpy way and even more considering her male teammates don't do the same thing, and Huntress is a devout Catholic in a killing spree to avenge her family, I don't see the point of her dressing in a bikini when that doesn't fit her character on the slightest.
@@izawa9211 what do you get by saying that? attention obviously, because its not like you'll get people to stop liking jojo without a good reason. if you dont like jojo keep it to yourself instead of causing trouble with the 8 year olds, who would probably argue with you and lose, unlike me you probably dont wanna read this since its long as hell, but if you do then ill say something rn. if you want to make the internet better, respect other people's opinions, sure you can say the same thing you just said, but with more respect if you wanna hate jojo, you should hang out with other people that hate jojo
Amanda Conner had the best explanation for the "boob window" that adequately retconned everything. Also, she is the only one who DID in fact get it and did the best job writing PG.
Wasn’t it bc When Kara decided to stop being Supergirl and became Powergirl Superman made her a suit but it had an S on it so she ripped it off and wanted to replace it with a symbol that would inspire but she couldn’t even find one that she liked.
@@Anakinvoorhees I dont remember why, but for some reason she doesnt wanted to wear the " S " on her costume, so she left that hole where the " S " should be. Maybe time to read her comics again. I can agree with Amanda Conner writing the best PG , ( and best Harley Quinn, in my opinion ).
@@kovacsj7823 I think it was bc she wanted to stop being supergirl and became power girl so Superman made he a new costume but it had an S on it for and she didn’t like it so she ripped it off hoping to replace the symbol someday but she couldn’t think of a symbol so it remains open
"feminist doesn't mean covering up..." Reminds me of a video that I saw about the first feminist movement which was about how woman wanted to appear either naked or provocative since men were often portrayed like this in paintings
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Just take societies where women have the least freedom for example. There they tend to be covered literally from head to toe.
The word "feminism" is all about empowerment. It was coined in an age when women were not allowed to vote or in some societies even own property. Heck they were often property, first of their father, then of their brothers and if they died they became the property of their closes surviving male relative. That is until they married at which point they became the property of their husband, and so on. Feminist became a title of pride for the women who dared to openly go against the customs, customs that often were codified into laws, and yes there wee women that got thrown in jail for openly talking about feminism. I think it's important to remember the origins whenever we hear about the modern interpretations of what feminism is. At first it was about things like being allowed to own a business, allowed to work, being able to have a life without being effectively owned by a man. As these goals were reached the feminist movement started looking at other areas where women were discriminated. Today it's mostly about equality before the law and the old mantra of equal pay for equal work, with all the issues that there are with that. At first it sounds easy, but the more you look at it the harder it gets to implement in a fair and decent way, and I don't want to wander to deep into that swamp. My point with all this was just to point out that the word "feminist" is old and has played a very important part in forming our current society, and will continue to do so for a long time.
If I had to write an explanation for the boob window in a story I would just have her say “I think it looks good.” Simple & easy. I’ve already seen plenty of ladies exposing their cleavages as a fashion thing.
In real life, they do that all the time. On the internet, its "something that only happens in media." At pride parades, men dress in that type of outfit
There's a difference between objectification/over sexualization, and writing/designing a character who happens to be sexy (or is like, a femme fatale). Like that sniper chick from metal girl who "breathes through her skin" bs. THAT was just a piss poor excuse to sexualize a woman needlessly.
I mostly know Power Girl as Galatea from DCAU and frankly, she was just more mature than Supergirl in that show. Plus, many of the superheroines already dressed rather alluringly so her having a bosom window was just her fitting the brand.
Certified Girl here: Absolutely agree feminism isn't about "covering up". It's about being free to wear what you want, look how you look, and be who you want to be. For some, it's modesty. For others, it's looking "sexy". It's not any one person (man, woman, or otherwise) to decide what empowers others.
A huge part of the sex negativity stems from an internalized dissatisfaction with themselves that they're projecting onto others rather than trying to address their own issues. Which isn't to say that anyone that prefers modesty falls into that category, but there are a hell of a lot of sex negative psychos out there that tire the emotion up into hatred for others on top of it. They end up being a problem for pretty much everyone, in my opinion.
@@christopherb501 Except all the sex negative people are on the far left now. The ones who bother to mention it and who try to make everyone else live by their standards are exclusively on the left. And no I'm not right wing. Well, since even Marx himself would be called a fascist by the modern left, I suppose you would see me as right wing.
@@hideousruin man idk what lefties you're meeting but I'd struggle to describe a single one I know as remotely sex negative. And what do you mean when you say "live by their standards"?
I think framing and posing is also very important when it comes to whether or not a character is being sexualized. You can have literally any character you can think off butt naked and depending on how it’s drawn it can be as sexualized as possible or not at all. Not saying character design has no influence on perception but it’s not the only thing that matters.
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 (a very beloved game by many) is a great case study on how NOT to avoid sexualization. That's the one major complaint about the game, even from diehard fans.
THIS! Like, House of X had a full 5-6 pages where Jean Grey, Monet St. Croix, Nightcrawler, Cyclops, Mystique, Angel, and Husk are all naked and being awkwardly censored by mist, hair, other people, beams of sunlight, and the whole thing isn't sexual in the slightest. Throughout the entire Krakoan era, people keep getting resurrected naked and I can't think of a single time it's sexual
as a girl, she even did not need to have any explanation about her appearance besides "I like it" She wants to wear it and that's it. I like to wear something just because I like it, without any special purpose or symbolism and that's fine
I do like the one where it was going to be a symbol but couldn't think of one so left it open. Because that could also be seen as I'm not exposing myself just that I can't think of a symbol that best fit me without it looking dumb or feeling like a copy of somebody else's. But maybe that's just how I read it
Ngl, reminding me Psycho Pirate is supposed to remember all the crises combined with him playing a role in infinite frontier makes me REALLY want a history of psycho pirate episode
So do I. But if he does do that video I think it should also be a video about Harbinger, Pariah, and Lady Quark because they have been involved in a few Crisis's. Also for everyone out there who thinks Pariah is going to become a villain, he's not. He just trapped Bary Allen, which is the most heroic thing you can do in the DC omniverse.
@@Lynch2507 Yeah, Pariah's been around since 1985. He was a scientist who was cursed to witness every horrible event because he opened a portal to the anti-matter universe which let the Antimoniter send anti-matter waves to destroy the multiverse.
I never knew anything about Power Girl, but I've always loved her aesthetic. Between the white, the window, and the cape, she makes me think of a Greek goddess
I was about to say something about how I'm most attracted to Rogue, who is fully clothed....but then quickly remembered she might as well have been naked for how tight her suit is lol
@Chris C yep Rogue and Storm were both hot female characters who were fully clothed and no one was complaining about those 2 at all. Just like the girl who was in the X-men movies and she was naked and covered with body paint I understand she was a shape shifter that could turn into different people but damn, I was like she is actually walking around naked and people weren’t saying shit about that?
I like power girl way more than supergirl. It's a character trait that she makes sure to be her own person and not in Superman's shadow her costume looks good boob window, covered to the neck, scoop neck. The white costume looks good to me
I love Powergirl, but it’s sad that her entire existence has been completely overshadowed by the boob window. I really wish people would give her a chance and look beyond her costume and focus more on the character, both readers and the people who write and draw her.
@I Am Mandy, Fear Me I agree with y'all Also, there's a saying in art: Any good art (whether it's in drawings/ animation/ games/ shows/ etc) has emotional impact. Emotional Impact itself comes completely from Story. Where Story is crafted by making the art being made (character/ cartoon/ comic/ etc) appealing VISUALLY. To get visual appeal you need to draw/ make characters in mind with what their goals are, fears, personality, flaws, how they grew up, etc translating that into the character with attractive appeal to get most people to read it So when you watch|read shows/ comics/ etc you're ultimately there for the character because the character makes the story in a way from what I explained (and of course writing/ writing pace for show/ etc needs to be good but you get the point) Also, when you see Batman, Superman, The Flash, Wonder-Woman, Spider-Gwen, etc they look hot/ cool/ sexy because they are visually appealing not just on sexy scale but because of everything visually blending together (but that helps quite a bit too) So characters that aren't just visually interesting but also visually attractive is a major way to get emotional impact for any art form That's what those toxic twitter/ other fake fan users don't understand Sorry if I messed up explaining anything since it's late on my end, & P.S. Simple Argument is that heroes should look physically/ attractive fit because they basically exercise all the time to fight crime/ criminals/ villains (which makes their faces/ bodies look more attractive in turn) so really it's opposite where they are shaming attractive heroes when that's how they'll look fighting crime all the time Sidenote: I'm an artist & also creating written & visually-wise unique-intriguing 100+s of original projects/ worlds/ universes for Anime/ Kid, Teen, & Adult Cartoons/ Comics/ Manga/ TV Shows/ Games/ Books/ etc etc so I'd say after 3 years of this for sure that the toxic Twitter users are out of touch for what people like in terms of how to do things/ heroes
As a guy I obviously can't speak for women, I can however repeat what a woman I know who considers herself a feminist has told me. "Feminism is about women having the right to choose to be themselves and not be forced to be what others say they should be"
@@devinperson242 Ah, you must of encountered some Radfems. Radfems *claim* to be feminist, but are just misanderists trying to hide behind feminism, like how Autism Speaks claims to support autistic people, but are literally a hate group against autism, or how p*dos appropriate LGBTQ stuff to make themselves look better.
In my opinion power girl has one of the most iconic female super hero designs. It's the type of design that sticks with you even when she's not that important to the story. Also, why is wonder woman's design not considered problematic while Power Girl is?
As I understand it, the chesthole is a warriors taunt to her enemy. Warriors often exposed their chest to show their confidence in their ability to defeat their enemy. It was a visual "come at me bro".
Yeah. Not just that. I mean, as a kryptonian, she doesn't need any kind of apparel at all. So when I first saw that hole, I was like,' why not? All her clothes are completely pointless anyway.'
"as a straight guy, I find her hot as hell" Thank you for some validation. No joke I sometimes feel awkward thinking some character is hot (of any gender or lack there of, for the record) EDIT: 666 thumbs up. Bwahahahaha happy [delayed] Halloween!
Wasn't there a time where she pretty much wore a new costume every issue? Although, I guess it makes sense for a fashion designer to do a lot of costume redesigns.
Power Girl is an excellent character with a great, iconic, and revealing costume much like Wonder Woman. I grew up on Wonder Woman and have loved Power Girl for years as well. Both characters, when written well, are great examples of exactly the kind of fully realized characters people want female role models to be. By focusing on the costume both readers and some creators are doing the exact objectification they claim to oppose. Pay more attention to what the woman says, what she does, and what she believes than what she's wearing.
Power Girl and Wonder Woman are the genius plays when given to good writers the skimpy costumes get the attention and the good writing keeps the attention
HISTORY OF THE JSA TO FILL ITS MEMBERSHIP TO REPLACE SUPERMAN WITH POWER GIRL BECAUSE SUPERMAN WAS A FOLD IN TIME WITH LOIS AND SUPERBOY. WOOD FOLLOW THE SCRIPT TO FOLLOW THE TI ME LINE AND BRUCE WAYNE WAS POLICE CHIEF.
@@Ailieorz They don't have to be take something like Avatar which is one of the most popular shows out there those girls aren't in skimpy outfits yet are still fan favorites but using skimpy outfits naturally will attract more casual attention than not it's just how brains are wired and it's smart to use that to get more sales
As it stands, it actually gives her character dimensionality, because it’s representative of her brash nature, her indignity, and her comfortability being herself whenever she is. She doesn’t care what other people think (to an extent), so we see that. Just as we see Superman’s symbol representing hope, or Batman’s symbol representing his tool against crime. And THAT’S original, and so it makes great stories
@@VolfKami Well I mean, I might change up some of that stuff in terms of the specifics, but yeah. Powergirl is free from acting how others want her to act, or dress how they want her to dress, etc. She's independent of them, as well as literally not in too many active teams
I loved the superman conversation about closing the hole. It seemed like it made her character relatable. Not really figuring out who you are and what kind of symbol you want to be
Apparently 12:30 it becomes lore on Atlantean’s that diet soda is bad for you because it makes you crazier than drinking tequila😂 no seriously use the time stamp and look at those comic frames. “You’ve changed” and “I hope it’s not diet soda” like wait what?! The actual f*ck I just can’t😂😂
"She's a 3D character" Heh. In all seriousness, she could be a great character to explore femininity, women's role and stereotypes in society and self image in a movie or series, but the probability to awaken an angry mob is so high that I dont see anyone with enough balls to do it.
@@buggobricks No they haven't? They've made movies with female main protagonists but they never do anything interesting with that like this is suggesting, people have just lost their shit because they can't stand women getting any representation
I think the window kind of makes sense. in a weird way, it really represents her. Not in a “sexualised big booba horny” way, but in a way of showing how she symbolises femininity. I think keeping in mind the original intension of her character is important and overlooked, so thanks for this video cause I never even knew she was supposed to be a feminist icon before watching this
FINALLY! Someone that really knows Power Girl. I have seen so many people get it wrong on the Internet. I love Power Girl. She has been my favorite heroine for so long, I can't even think of a time I didn't like her. Thank you so much for doing the real research on her. You even called her "Kara" and not "Karen" as so many people seem to forget "Karen Starr" is her secret ID, as CEO of Starrware. It is just so nice to see someone that loves her as much as me, if finally getting her entire history right. Thank you again! And yes, I am a woman who likes Power Girl. Sue me. Instant subscribe!
I really don't understand why people think sexy and empowered can't go hand in hand for a woman, when sexy men don't have that same issue. Look we're all animals, we like sex, it doesn't have to define us but we don't need to shy away and pretend it doesn't exist either. Both can coexist at the same time!
It’s funny to me seeing the “controversy” surrounding Power Girl because it’s literally, ‘does this fictional character have a right to dress sexy if she wants to’. Like there’s a lot of parallels that can be drawn between this controversy and other discussion between real life female celebrities discussing body positivity, and the attention drawn to their fashion choices. What bothers me is that the window has never been the most impractical part of her costume- you can find dresses on runways that have windows like that. The most impractical thing is the bareleg leotard combo- which is just straight up uncomfortable in real life.
IMO the issue with this argument is that she doesn't have the ability to "choose" anything, because she's a fictional character. Powergirl isn't choosing how she looks and what she wears, the people who created and drew the character are, and those are almost entirely guys. Any argument or belief related to her costume that Powergirl says in the comics is a line that a writer wrote for her, and those are also mostly guys. And it doesn't feel right to me to say that the words and costume choices of mostly men writers and artists should be attributed to a woman simply because they're using a female character to present them. I don't think that there's anything wrong with sexy characters but I also don't think it's fair for people to frame it as a feminist statement when it's really just there to be sexy.
@@nguyendi92 Um... I never said men can't write female characters? I just don't think it's reasonable for people to dismiss criticism by saying "well the character wants it!" when the writers are men. It wouldn't be cool for a woman writer to dismiss criticism about a male character in such a way either. There isn't a problem with sexy characters but the retroactive "it's actually feminist because empowerment" is really lazy justification when we all know it's there because it's sexy. Not everything needs to be deep.
@@laedarkness8613 well the character wants it, if a woman writer was the creator of that costume of power girl, you would say “yes its good” but its the same, they are doing that costume because people like it, not only because the writers like it
Tbh if they had just left the costume and wrote it as normal, eventually it would be treated as such. It's a superhero costume, they all look kinda weird.
You can see at 6:02 that there's a line where the old neckline would have been, and that the new cutoff is at the chain that keeps her cape together. This means that the new neckline was actually just a coloring mistake that they made for the entire issue.
Character costume changes over the years are a perfect microcosm for the nature of art and how it changes over time to meet societal standards. It's melancholic, pathetic, clearly impossible to satisfy everyone but somehow still admirable. And it's going to continue changing. It will never stay the way it is.
I am not really sure why i watched this random video (a year too late) but I am glad that I did. For decades I have been wondering about a character that I remembered from seeing him in just one comic episode. I remembered one screen in the book but I never saw him again. It is incredible how vivid the picture remained - for at least 36 years. You revealed him at 8 minutes: Arion! My comic book nerd soul can now rest. Thank you.
I kinda knew that Power Girl costume history was quite a journey, but I wasn’t expecting all this ups and downs. I think she is a really cool character and as someone who also has a “big front” is nice to se her comfortable in her own body. Yeah, a lot of the writing of the character is very obvious written by dudes, but then and there she is written and draw with the respect and love that she deserves and again, l really think she is very cool. (Sorry for any misspelling, English is not my first language)
One comic explained that the 'boob window" was both a distraction to male villains, and a way to keep them from paying attention to her face, since she never covered it up to hide her identity.
is so funny to think that not only men in DC universe where more fouces on her boobs than her face, but also women because no one where like "wait, isn't she...?" even if she doesn't hide her face
The chest window of Power Girl isn't sexist, it is empowering women. She wears her chest window suit because she is a strong and confident woman comfortable in her own body, not ashamed of it, nor caring of what others might say about her. She wears it because she can, and because she wants to, and if that chest window just happens to prove a distraction to some of her enemies, well, then it's just a welcome opening to take advantage of while she laughs at her enemy's stupidity at letting something silly like that distract them.
I love Power Girl, she’s a great characters who’s been apart of both my all time favorite superhero team (the JSA) and the JLI, my all time favorite comic run, and that boob window always makes me a little embarrassed to admit it.
As a girl myself, I find Powergirl to be VERY empowering ︎︎💙 She feels so strong while being so secure of herself. I see the costume as super empowering ︎💙 I like that it stands for something: femininity and individuality. Like BAM. Here they are. Deal with it. The not giving a fuck about the societal standards of humans and being just so proud and out there, it brings a smile to my face. Also boobs are awesome? C’mon people
@@weelzneal4768 I dunno man. I don't think the opinion of whether or not you think a female character is empowering needs to be based on your gender identity. And who cares, trans women are women. Doesn't matter what you're born as. (Not saying the original poster is trans, I just hate when people go "but you weren't born a girl so..." towards me in particular)
Honestly I completely disagree on it looking ridiculous on male characters the chest window looks great on them! I wish it was more utilized on male character design
First time viewer. Great coverage of her changes over the decades. Quick story: I dated an alt/nude model for a few years and she always told me she felt most in control when she was in those situations. It made her feel powerful and honestly, I can't really argue with her. I hear it from a few of my friends that I have been in the sex industry, that what they're doing is female empowerment. Leave Power Girl's costume alone, let her be sexy and let her control her own narrative. I realize we're talking about a fictional character, but she's as iconic as Batman and Superman and should be treated as such.
It can only be considered empowerment if they had severe body image issues in the first place which gave them discomfort with bring in their own bodies. I wouldn't necessarily be praising any nude models. Their job is just like any other. But I'd certainly be concerned that body image issues exist in your culture in the first place. I know women who have zero body image issues, and yet choose to dress reserved because they believe the professionalism and focus away from sex is a better representation of their personalities. Opposite action(dressing up instead of stripping down) and yet more empowered than any nude model
Tbh i think its quite realistic that, if you are some crazy strong superhero you would want to show off your body, it really is a symbol of your power and defiance. In real life men and women with strong developed bodies show them off too!
Reminds me reading Kingdom Come by Alex Ross… when Clark Kent, Bruce Wayne and Diana Prince meet in that restaurant and Bruce wants to know the cut of the Power Girl chicken sandwich and the waiter simply answers „breast“…
For some women modesty is feminine empowerment, for some women nudity is feminine enpowerment, femisnm is about letting women figure out and decide themself what and how they wanna express their femininity
Im not a comic book reader, I only known Power Girl through the animations. I love characters like her. I call it Big Chest Energy (kinda like Big Dick Energy), where a female character is interesting, cool, and badass while at the same time, be proud of their attractiveness. Sure, it can be viewed as sexualized, but when the character just consider it as a plus and focus more on her character and her journey, then thats A+ for attractive and compelling to me.
There are so many women that now wear clothes with the "chest window". I was watching some NFL game in the past month and the sideline announcer was wearing a "chest window". It's in fashion now so everyone who is going off on the "chest window" can officially give it up.
I really wasn't ready for for how *much* the history of her costume would be. Ultimately, after seeing the alternatives and hearing some of the justifications (subverting the chest symbol trope, highlighting femininity), I think the classic concept is the best, and has managed to be very distinctive and unique to her. Really, they don't need to put so much effort into redesigning her in the opposite direction. They can just be mindful of that in the ways they illustrate her. Posing, composition, technique, and all kinds of small things can add up. In that way, I think JLE had a good idea (though maybe not the greatest execution). If they do redesign her, they should embrace the boob window and do more experimentation with how it fits into the costume.
Funny how women can show a ton of cleavage and no one has an issue but as soon as you take the same outfit and slightly cover up the top area above the cleavage suddenly its is an outrageous "boob window"
As a girl myself, I see Powergirl’s costume as super empowering ︎💙 I like that it stands for something: femininity and individuality. And not giving a fuck about the societal standards of humans and being just so proud and out there, it brings a smile to my face.
I want a power girl mini-series. That is done in different art for each issue. All about her and her many costume changes. Other male heroes shaming her, maybe a few in later issues apologizing. I think it can be very compelling and an interesting and modern take on women outfits and styles over the years and how we may have shamed or overly sexualized them.
@@maxxor-overworldhero6730 But it would be interesting though. Maybe if it was spearheaded by an influencial feminist and wasn't used solely to shame men for liking boobs, but rather talk about the CHARACTER that is Power Girl and how her legacy was affected by such a simple costume choice.
I don't know a single male hero in DC who would shame the boob window. You seem to put message before character. I think that will probably bore readers
Power Girl: Gets an emblem or covers up Five Minutes Later: PG: RIIIIP! Now that's better! Now I'm free, now I'm movin', come on Batman let's get groovin'!
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Years ago, there was an issues of Superman/ Batman where they were dealing with a teenager Toy Master. Powergirl was a side character, the artist drew Kara's apartment and clothes closet, there were around a dozen different type of Powergirl out fits in it, also she wore four different outfits in the issue which covered a week of story telling. So she changes her clothes as often as she changes her mind, it is what women do.
How hard was it for you to say Wally Wood without laughing?
9:36 Indeed. It would be amusing to draw attention to some of the more garish 80's redesigns too. Xavier's yellow spandex and Magneto's M suit, come to mind.
You wild for that shirt lmao
SEX SALES! GET OVER IT!
I think it's funny, because any highly censored version could have the letters "PG" where the window should be. I think it's a good censorship gag for them
Holy shit. I never thought of that! 🤣
ur a genius
True bit it would ruin many panels where there is conversation about her outfits!🤣 kinda funny
Omfg that's genius xD
@@manh-haimuller6027 Even better.
Always liked the name Power Girl - Supergirl just says "It's Superman but a girl" while Power Girl just sounds like her own character.
It sucks DC really doesn't know how to use her character anymore since she been MIA for a while
@@ExeErdna Well... Seeing the state of the times, why not give her to a feminist writer like Gail Simone and just lean in to those aspects? Do something at least.
@@RickReasonnz Gail's writing skills dulled over the years she's make her worse off than she is now. She needs somebody like John Byrne that can bring in some comedy and action and lean into that while having undertones of the feminism.
true
Wonder Woman's name was almost Superma lmao
I love how DC ran with it. They fully acknowledged the boobs in storylines. They made the controversy a running joke. Powergirl once told a disguised Green Arrow "go ahead and look, it just gives me a reason to hit you harder." as she was flying at him.
And Green Arrow is certainly a man, who will use every possible situation to look at them.😂😂😂
a risk i woulda taken
@@vencislavgynev8282man monkey, man love booba, ooh eeh ooh ah
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@@Dndnrird I believe it is the limited series, justice league elite.
"What's in your bag, Kara? Not more Diet Soda, I hope." is a quote that deserves to be a meme.
Except you blank out diet soda so that it can be a meme format
@@elbappots9464 Someone please do that!
@@jacob4920 "Did you accept them from a sewer clown? I know It offers penis enlargement pills."
The ability to kick everyone’s ass. That’s what’s in the bag you garbage super heroes.
There is research that you actually gain more weight with diet soda since you body has no fucking clue how to deal with the shit in the diet sodas.
The way you feel about Power Girl is exactly how I feel lol. I think she's a great character but also obviously I find her attractive.
Boobs are just great overall
Talking about boob, my friend said I'm going to have man boob......
Yep.
I'm not gonna pretend to not like boobs.
Same
First, boobs are never stupid. Powergirl being Kryptonian never bothered me, but the Atlantean part does. One of the more memorable Powergirl moments was a relatively recent comic where she confronts a young guy taking a camera pic of her chest.
She is Kryptonian. They retconned the Atlantean part.
Massive character retcons should bother everyone.
You are right on both parts
Reminds me of that one dude who got upset a guy was taking a picture of his gf cosplaying power girl and made a entire comic out of it. basically he was being a classic “white knight”
if you don't like being looked at don't put it on show, easy really.
Me the tenth time the costume changed: "Stop! She's already dead!"
But also, thank you drake for calling her out for being a jerk to Star Spangle Kid. He was trying to be nice and got such an extreme reaction.
LOL
Yeah.
Simpsons Reference :) (unless it's not and I'm seeing connections where there are none lol)
@@enternamehere____3261 I haven't seen nearly as much Simpsons as I should, but I love that quote.
Now it just makes me wish Melissa Benoist appears as Power Girl on the Stargirl show just for that one bit. Like “what the hell Karen? I made this for you as a gift, you didn’t have to freaking break it!”
This whole thing reminds me of that scene in Justice League: War with the mob protesting Wonder Woman and she has that monologue about how her skimpy outfit makes her feel powerful… while she’s wearing a much more conservative outfit that only exists in that universe
“Ya dress like a whore!”
“I cross dress in a Wonder Woman’s outfit. It makes me feel powerful”
The duality of man
@@comixproviderftw_02 lmaaaao
@@comixproviderftw_02 Hehehehe.
@@comixproviderftw_02 yeah, that was great.
I really liked that outfit. It was almost a full bodysuit but it looked better than both her new52 costume and that weird outfit with pants.
Biggest Power Girl controversy is gonna be when she reveals the only reason her back isn't hurting on the daily is because of her incredible super-strength
Sunlight empowers her spine
She can lift a mountain, I think those boulders on her chest are no problem.
@@VolfKami I mean it better. Imagine being a god except you have an Achilles spine.
Why?
Is that how heavy a woman's chest is?
I actually find Power-Girl to be one of the few super-heroines with an openly sexual costume that feels appropriate for the character. She openly embraces her sexuality and it plays into her character without it being degrading. It doesn’t make sense for a character like the Invisible Woman or Big Barda to have inherently sexual costumes, because that’s not fitting to who they are portrayed as on the pages. But Power-Girl is staunchly feminist in nature, and it’s empowering for her.
Exactly
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN THINKING. It makes sense for characters like Power Girl or Starfire to dress in a sexy way, hell, Starfire's whole character is getting used to the discriminatory Earth custom towards sex and sexuality, because in her planet there's no taboo in all of that. But with characters like Huntress or Invisible Woman? Sue is supposed to be a serious scientist and a mother, it doesn't make sense for her to dress in a skimpy way and even more considering her male teammates don't do the same thing, and Huntress is a devout Catholic in a killing spree to avenge her family, I don't see the point of her dressing in a bikini when that doesn't fit her character on the slightest.
@UC-CImGypCAxjrzQ8QzdGxHA.... wait is THAT why there's a big fuck off cross involved in most of her designs???
Yeah.
@@MiguelGonzalez-du8de or catwoman
I laughed so hard at the artist increasing her breast size every issue 😂, actually leaves me speechless that this is life
“A dude wearing this costume looks like a god damn idiot.”
Me, a Jojos fan: “I respectfully disagree entirely.”
Agreed. Giorno ROCKS that style.
Oh you are jojo fan, my opinion on Your opinion about jojo is that its garbage
@@izawa9211 Oh yeah? Well my opinion on your opinion about his opinion about JoJo is that it's stupid
@@izawa9211 what do you get by saying that? attention obviously, because its not like you'll get people to stop liking jojo without a good reason.
if you dont like jojo keep it to yourself instead of causing trouble with the 8 year olds, who would probably argue with you and lose, unlike me
you probably dont wanna read this since its long as hell, but if you do then ill say something rn.
if you want to make the internet better, respect other people's opinions, sure you can say the same thing you just said, but with more respect
if you wanna hate jojo, you should hang out with other people that hate jojo
@@izawa9211 sorry for the long text, feel free to read it when you have time
Amanda Conner had the best explanation for the "boob window" that adequately retconned everything. Also, she is the only one who DID in fact get it and did the best job writing PG.
Wasn’t it bc When Kara decided to stop being Supergirl and became Powergirl Superman made her a suit but it had an S on it so she ripped it off and wanted to replace it with a symbol that would inspire but she couldn’t even find one that she liked.
@@Anakinvoorhees I dont remember why, but for some reason she doesnt wanted to wear the " S " on her costume, so she left that hole where the " S " should be. Maybe time to read her comics again. I can agree with Amanda Conner writing the best PG , ( and best Harley Quinn, in my opinion ).
@@kovacsj7823 I think it was bc she wanted to stop being supergirl and became power girl so Superman made he a new costume but it had an S on it for and she didn’t like it so she ripped it off hoping to replace the symbol someday but she couldn’t think of a symbol so it remains open
bro had to repeat everything he said because that idiot didnt read his comment the first time 😆😂
I trust a Power girl pfp to have the right opinions about Power girl
"feminist doesn't mean covering up..." Reminds me of a video that I saw about the first feminist movement which was about how woman wanted to appear either naked or provocative since men were often portrayed like this in paintings
Just take societies where women have the least freedom for example. There they tend to be covered literally from head to toe.
The word "feminism" is all about empowerment. It was coined in an age when women were not allowed to vote or in some societies even own property. Heck they were often property, first of their father, then of their brothers and if they died they became the property of their closes surviving male relative. That is until they married at which point they became the property of their husband, and so on.
Feminist became a title of pride for the women who dared to openly go against the customs, customs that often were codified into laws, and yes there wee women that got thrown in jail for openly talking about feminism.
I think it's important to remember the origins whenever we hear about the modern interpretations of what feminism is.
At first it was about things like being allowed to own a business, allowed to work, being able to have a life without being effectively owned by a man. As these goals were reached the feminist movement started looking at other areas where women were discriminated. Today it's mostly about equality before the law and the old mantra of equal pay for equal work, with all the issues that there are with that.
At first it sounds easy, but the more you look at it the harder it gets to implement in a fair and decent way, and I don't want to wander to deep into that swamp.
My point with all this was just to point out that the word "feminist" is old and has played a very important part in forming our current society, and will continue to do so for a long time.
ok yeah but what’s more important is his cool donut mug
Blahorga Slisk I really appreciate your comment here
remember when a bunch of women dressed up as monkeys and revolted because Of this?Crazy times
If I had to write an explanation for the boob window in a story I would just have her say “I think it looks good.” Simple & easy. I’ve already seen plenty of ladies exposing their cleavages as a fashion thing.
In real life, they do that all the time. On the internet, its "something that only happens in media." At pride parades, men dress in that type of outfit
There's a difference between objectification/over sexualization, and writing/designing a character who happens to be sexy (or is like, a femme fatale).
Like that sniper chick from metal girl who "breathes through her skin" bs. THAT was just a piss poor excuse to sexualize a woman needlessly.
Right, that makes sense. But, are you saying my explanation is bad or good?
If my breasts get big enough, I will wear a top with a boob window. Because I like boob windows, they look good.
I mostly know Power Girl as Galatea from DCAU and frankly, she was just more mature than Supergirl in that show.
Plus, many of the superheroines already dressed rather alluringly so her having a bosom window was just her fitting the brand.
Certified Girl here: Absolutely agree feminism isn't about "covering up". It's about being free to wear what you want, look how you look, and be who you want to be. For some, it's modesty. For others, it's looking "sexy". It's not any one person (man, woman, or otherwise) to decide what empowers others.
And if one thinks that it IS about "covering up", then they're not really feminist, they're a sex-negative conservative by any other name.
A huge part of the sex negativity stems from an internalized dissatisfaction with themselves that they're projecting onto others rather than trying to address their own issues.
Which isn't to say that anyone that prefers modesty falls into that category, but there are a hell of a lot of sex negative psychos out there that tire the emotion up into hatred for others on top of it. They end up being a problem for pretty much everyone, in my opinion.
@@christopherb501 Except all the sex negative people are on the far left now. The ones who bother to mention it and who try to make everyone else live by their standards are exclusively on the left.
And no I'm not right wing. Well, since even Marx himself would be called a fascist by the modern left, I suppose you would see me as right wing.
@@hideousruin Uh...huh...
@@hideousruin man idk what lefties you're meeting but I'd struggle to describe a single one I know as remotely sex negative. And what do you mean when you say "live by their standards"?
Alternate Title: "the 2 big reasons why Power Girl's costume kept changing"
Alternate title: the very obvious reason power girls costume kept changing
Lol, 2 very big reasons.
@@goodmansteve2481 Number 1: The costume can't handle the thiccness.
I think framing and posing is also very important when it comes to whether or not a character is being sexualized. You can have literally any character you can think off butt naked and depending on how it’s drawn it can be as sexualized as possible or not at all. Not saying character design has no influence on perception but it’s not the only thing that matters.
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 (a very beloved game by many) is a great case study on how NOT to avoid sexualization. That's the one major complaint about the game, even from diehard fans.
THIS! Like, House of X had a full 5-6 pages where Jean Grey, Monet St. Croix, Nightcrawler, Cyclops, Mystique, Angel, and Husk are all naked and being awkwardly censored by mist, hair, other people, beams of sunlight, and the whole thing isn't sexual in the slightest. Throughout the entire Krakoan era, people keep getting resurrected naked and I can't think of a single time it's sexual
The cereal in the mug was the greatest reveal of all time
Definently.
Yeah.
So it's not empty, just filled with cereal
Boob window to Dc: you couldn’t live with your failure and were did that lead you
Straight back to me
This is too true. XD
Topic: about dc
Quote: From marvel xd
as a girl, she even did not need to have any explanation about her appearance besides "I like it"
She wants to wear it and that's it.
I like to wear something just because I like it, without any special purpose or symbolism and that's fine
I do like the one where it was going to be a symbol but couldn't think of one so left it open. Because that could also be seen as I'm not exposing myself just that I can't think of a symbol that best fit me without it looking dumb or feeling like a copy of somebody else's. But maybe that's just how I read it
You should do a video on the time Spider-Man crossed over with Ren and Stimpy and fought Powdered Toast Man.
Wait what?
Is that actually a thing? Hold on...
Edit: Just looked it up, totally a thing. The 90s were weird...
Huh.
Yes please
I think that I had that comic! Lol!
Ngl, reminding me Psycho Pirate is supposed to remember all the crises combined with him playing a role in infinite frontier makes me REALLY want a history of psycho pirate episode
So do I. But if he does do that video I think it should also be a video about Harbinger, Pariah, and Lady Quark because they have been involved in a few Crisis's. Also for everyone out there who thinks Pariah is going to become a villain, he's not. He just trapped Bary Allen, which is the most heroic thing you can do in the DC omniverse.
@@dallasgrey4247 ngl I thought he was a new character....
Yeah maybe ya need to cover them too
@@Lynch2507 Who did you think was a new character?
@@dallasgrey4247 Pariah. Thought he was like, a new Alexander Luthor type character that was gonna fck with stuff
@@Lynch2507 Yeah, Pariah's been around since 1985. He was a scientist who was cursed to witness every horrible event because he opened a portal to the anti-matter universe which let the Antimoniter send anti-matter waves to destroy the multiverse.
I never knew anything about Power Girl, but I've always loved her aesthetic. Between the white, the window, and the cape, she makes me think of a Greek goddess
I was about to say something about how I'm most attracted to Rogue, who is fully clothed....but then quickly remembered she might as well have been naked for how tight her suit is lol
Tight clothes gang!
@@samuraijackoff5354 That's...a thing...?
I can relate. Skin tight bodysuits are a great thing.
@@samuraijackoff5354 you rang?
@Chris C yep Rogue and Storm were both hot female characters who were fully clothed and no one was complaining about those 2 at all. Just like the girl who was in the X-men movies and she was naked and covered with body paint I understand she was a shape shifter that could turn into different people but damn, I was like she is actually walking around naked and people weren’t saying shit about that?
Power Girl looks more like a Shazam character than part of Superman's group IMO
Its the placement of her cape tbh and the lack of a symbol...in the chest area
You know I never really thought of it like that but now ya she would have fit right in design wise huh fun to think about.
@Zeeshan Mukhtiar I doubt anyone other than you thought that way
@Yamile Magubeni i mean... its kinda funny
The shoulder armor and cape placement definitely remind me more of Shazam
I like power girl way more than supergirl. It's a character trait that she makes sure to be her own person and not in Superman's shadow her costume looks good boob window, covered to the neck, scoop neck. The white costume looks good to me
I love Powergirl, but it’s sad that her entire existence has been completely overshadowed by the boob window.
I really wish people would give her a chance and look beyond her costume and focus more on the character, both readers and the people who write and draw her.
Majority of world are still too stupid to look past visuals of the body
That's why they keep changing characters removing appeal they once had
Twitter users who don't buy comics but claim they love them are unable to look past looks.
Damn.
@I Am Mandy, Fear Me I agree with y'all
Also, there's a saying in art:
Any good art (whether it's in drawings/ animation/ games/ shows/ etc) has emotional impact.
Emotional Impact itself comes completely from Story.
Where Story is crafted by making the art being made (character/ cartoon/ comic/ etc) appealing VISUALLY.
To get visual appeal you need to draw/ make characters in mind with what their goals are, fears, personality, flaws, how they grew up, etc translating that into the character with attractive appeal to get most people to read it
So when you watch|read shows/ comics/ etc you're ultimately there for the character because the character makes the story in a way from what I explained (and of course writing/ writing pace for show/ etc needs to be good but you get the point)
Also, when you see Batman, Superman, The Flash, Wonder-Woman, Spider-Gwen, etc they look hot/ cool/ sexy because they are visually appealing not just on sexy scale but because of everything visually blending together (but that helps quite a bit too)
So characters that aren't just visually interesting but also visually attractive is a major way to get emotional impact for any art form
That's what those toxic twitter/ other fake fan users don't understand
Sorry if I messed up explaining anything since it's late on my end, & P.S. Simple Argument is that heroes should look physically/ attractive fit because they basically exercise all the time to fight crime/ criminals/ villains (which makes their faces/ bodies look more attractive in turn) so really it's opposite where they are shaming attractive heroes when that's how they'll look fighting crime all the time
Sidenote: I'm an artist & also creating written & visually-wise unique-intriguing 100+s of original projects/ worlds/ universes for Anime/ Kid, Teen, & Adult Cartoons/ Comics/ Manga/ TV Shows/ Games/ Books/ etc etc so I'd say after 3 years of this for sure that the toxic Twitter users are out of touch for what people like in terms of how to do things/ heroes
@@whitelasagna6786 And or said Twitter users follow people making XXX content yet OMG change this character(s)
As a guy I obviously can't speak for women, I can however repeat what a woman I know who considers herself a feminist has told me.
"Feminism is about women having the right to choose to be themselves and not be forced to be what others say they should be"
Good quote
Feminism is about equality
Thought it was about feeling empowered after insulting and mocking men
@@devinperson242 Ah, you must of encountered some Radfems.
Radfems *claim* to be feminist, but are just misanderists trying to hide behind feminism, like how Autism Speaks claims to support autistic people, but are literally a hate group against autism, or how p*dos appropriate LGBTQ stuff to make themselves look better.
@@sdtwirix1126 I hear most people call them femninazis
The funniest one I remember. Was where after a fight she made a compliant of "damn chest window" while digging out rubble.
her main super power: the ability to distract 95% of male opponents and 60% of female opponents during combat
More like %100 for all genders.
There reason why Power girl stand on top as one most important DC hero
In my opinion power girl has one of the most iconic female super hero designs. It's the type of design that sticks with you even when she's not that important to the story. Also, why is wonder woman's design not considered problematic while Power Girl is?
As I understand it, the chesthole is a warriors taunt to her enemy. Warriors often exposed their chest to show their confidence in their ability to defeat their enemy. It was a visual "come at me bro".
And many did come
@@Psycorde If you bare them, they will come.
Yeah. Not just that. I mean, as a kryptonian, she doesn't need any kind of apparel at all. So when I first saw that hole, I was like,' why not? All her clothes are completely pointless anyway.'
"as a straight guy, I find her hot as hell"
Thank you for some validation. No joke I sometimes feel awkward thinking some character is hot (of any gender or lack there of, for the record)
EDIT: 666 thumbs up. Bwahahahaha happy [delayed] Halloween!
That’s why she’s DC’s Best Girl
I feel more weird when I’m fine with a guy having his shirt off but not with women who do the same in comica
Being horny is valid. It's only a problem when objectification, sexism, and other nastiness comes into play.
@@sdtwirix1126 only when it's a guy doing it apperently
@@sdtwirix1126
That's an issue since it's a very fine line to thread.
Ngl I always thought that she was smarter than Clark and had her costume show more skin to absorb more sunlight.
"She's an enjoyable 3-dimensional character." Yes. Yes she is.
Mr. Idonthaveasgdoll concurs.
I wonder if anyone has ever covered every Wasp costume.
Wasn't there a time where she pretty much wore a new costume every issue?
Although, I guess it makes sense for a fashion designer to do a lot of costume redesigns.
@@ahlpym Odin and Loki used to wear a new helmet in every new issue of Journey into Mystery, so they had to share the same sentiment
The Avengers EMH one was good enough ngl
@@jellymatsuryuka6853
Pretty great, yeah.
@@jellymatsuryuka6853 everything about this show was perfect
Honestly, they could have just had her say, "I like the way this looks... it's for me, not anyone else." There. Done.
Power Girl is an excellent character with a great, iconic, and revealing costume much like Wonder Woman. I grew up on Wonder Woman and have loved Power Girl for years as well. Both characters, when written well, are great examples of exactly the kind of fully realized characters people want female role models to be. By focusing on the costume both readers and some creators are doing the exact objectification they claim to oppose. Pay more attention to what the woman says, what she does, and what she believes than what she's wearing.
Power Girl and Wonder Woman are the genius plays when given to good writers the skimpy costumes get the attention and the good writing keeps the attention
HISTORY OF THE JSA TO FILL ITS MEMBERSHIP TO REPLACE SUPERMAN WITH POWER GIRL BECAUSE SUPERMAN WAS A FOLD IN TIME WITH LOIS AND SUPERBOY. WOOD FOLLOW THE SCRIPT TO FOLLOW THE TI ME LINE AND BRUCE WAYNE WAS POLICE CHIEF.
Oh piss off. If she wasn't "hot" men wouldn't read it, and then wouldn't have existed.
@@Poipletoitle331 And this is the problem. Female characters shouldn't have to be "hot" to be considered worth reading
@@Ailieorz They don't have to be take something like Avatar which is one of the most popular shows out there those girls aren't in skimpy outfits yet are still fan favorites but using skimpy outfits naturally will attract more casual attention than not it's just how brains are wired and it's smart to use that to get more sales
I really appreciate this video. That solemn scene of her explaining the window never fails to make me burst out laughing
15:06
yeah. They knew what they were doing
As it stands, it actually gives her character dimensionality, because it’s representative of her brash nature, her indignity, and her comfortability being herself whenever she is. She doesn’t care what other people think (to an extent), so we see that. Just as we see Superman’s symbol representing hope, or Batman’s symbol representing his tool against crime.
And THAT’S original, and so it makes great stories
So what you're saying is
Superman = Hope
Batman = Fear
Powergirl = Freedom
@@VolfKami
Well I mean, I might change up some of that stuff in terms of the specifics, but yeah. Powergirl is free from acting how others want her to act, or dress how they want her to dress, etc. She's independent of them, as well as literally not in too many active teams
I loved the superman conversation about closing the hole. It seemed like it made her character relatable. Not really figuring out who you are and what kind of symbol you want to be
Apparently 12:30 it becomes lore on Atlantean’s that diet soda is bad for you because it makes you crazier than drinking tequila😂 no seriously use the time stamp and look at those comic frames. “You’ve changed” and “I hope it’s not diet soda” like wait what?! The actual f*ck I just can’t😂😂
"She's a 3D character" Heh.
In all seriousness, she could be a great character to explore femininity, women's role and stereotypes in society and self image in a movie or series, but the probability to awaken an angry mob is so high that I dont see anyone with enough balls to do it.
They made a character inspired by her in the JL cartoons and she really used her sexuality.
She can still do that, she doesn't need to have her boobs hanging out to do anything that you listed. Not a single thing.
Or maybe not xD
I think they’ve made that movie like..... seven times a year😂😂.
@@buggobricks No they haven't? They've made movies with female main protagonists but they never do anything interesting with that like this is suggesting, people have just lost their shit because they can't stand women getting any representation
I think the window kind of makes sense. in a weird way, it really represents her. Not in a “sexualised big booba horny” way, but in a way of showing how she symbolises femininity. I think keeping in mind the original intension of her character is important and overlooked, so thanks for this video cause I never even knew she was supposed to be a feminist icon before watching this
Hello brother.
And actual women dont care
Conservative women just point out the other group which needs bigger priorities than complaining about cartoon women
17:23 in and I JUST noticed his shirt mimics her uniform.🙃
FINALLY! Someone that really knows Power Girl. I have seen so many people get it wrong on the Internet. I love Power Girl. She has been my favorite heroine for so long, I can't even think of a time I didn't like her. Thank you so much for doing the real research on her. You even called her "Kara" and not "Karen" as so many people seem to forget "Karen Starr" is her secret ID, as CEO of Starrware. It is just so nice to see someone that loves her as much as me, if finally getting her entire history right. Thank you again! And yes, I am a woman who likes Power Girl. Sue me. Instant subscribe!
I love Power Girl too. She’s so badass and powerful while not taking any crap from nobody. To me, she’d be perfect as an anti-hero.
Power Girl's breast are stupid but also important.
_"I think we all know where this is going so..."_
Do any cosplayers ever cosplay as anything other than the iconic boob window costume? No they literally never do, ever.
Kara and Matpat did have something in common. A crippling addiction to diet coke
“I’ve been looking forward for this.”
I really don't understand why people think sexy and empowered can't go hand in hand for a woman, when sexy men don't have that same issue. Look we're all animals, we like sex, it doesn't have to define us but we don't need to shy away and pretend it doesn't exist either. Both can coexist at the same time!
Nope.
@@biggs2560 Yup! My man is on point
It’s funny to me seeing the “controversy” surrounding Power Girl because it’s literally, ‘does this fictional character have a right to dress sexy if she wants to’. Like there’s a lot of parallels that can be drawn between this controversy and other discussion between real life female celebrities discussing body positivity, and the attention drawn to their fashion choices.
What bothers me is that the window has never been the most impractical part of her costume- you can find dresses on runways that have windows like that. The most impractical thing is the bareleg leotard combo- which is just straight up uncomfortable in real life.
IMO the issue with this argument is that she doesn't have the ability to "choose" anything, because she's a fictional character. Powergirl isn't choosing how she looks and what she wears, the people who created and drew the character are, and those are almost entirely guys. Any argument or belief related to her costume that Powergirl says in the comics is a line that a writer wrote for her, and those are also mostly guys. And it doesn't feel right to me to say that the words and costume choices of mostly men writers and artists should be attributed to a woman simply because they're using a female character to present them.
I don't think that there's anything wrong with sexy characters but I also don't think it's fair for people to frame it as a feminist statement when it's really just there to be sexy.
@@nguyendi92 Um... I never said men can't write female characters? I just don't think it's reasonable for people to dismiss criticism by saying "well the character wants it!" when the writers are men. It wouldn't be cool for a woman writer to dismiss criticism about a male character in such a way either.
There isn't a problem with sexy characters but the retroactive "it's actually feminist because empowerment" is really lazy justification when we all know it's there because it's sexy. Not everything needs to be deep.
@@laedarkness8613 well the character wants it, if a woman writer was the creator of that costume of power girl, you would say “yes its good” but its the same, they are doing that costume because people like it, not only because the writers like it
The Chest widow is cool and all but let’s not forget the awesome shoulder cape!
"On the Issue 69, Nice"
That's it, you get a sub
Tbh if they had just left the costume and wrote it as normal, eventually it would be treated as such. It's a superhero costume, they all look kinda weird.
15:28 I beg your pardon ? Might I suggest you talk to best boy Giorno Giovanna?
The conversation over her outfit is ALWAYS hilarious 😂
See her all the time in comics and DC Online never knew her origin. Thought she was Kyrotonian at one time
I'd do a flip for that worst 90s costumes part 2 video.
You can see at 6:02 that there's a line where the old neckline would have been, and that the new cutoff is at the chain that keeps her cape together. This means that the new neckline was actually just a coloring mistake that they made for the entire issue.
I'd always wondered how Power Girl could exist Post-Crisis when all other Supermam characters were wiped out, so thanks for explaining it.
Character costume changes over the years are a perfect microcosm for the nature of art and how it changes over time to meet societal standards. It's melancholic, pathetic, clearly impossible to satisfy everyone but somehow still admirable. And it's going to continue changing. It will never stay the way it is.
I am not really sure why i watched this random video (a year too late) but I am glad that I did. For decades I have been wondering about a character that I remembered from seeing him in just one comic episode. I remembered one screen in the book but I never saw him again. It is incredible how vivid the picture remained - for at least 36 years. You revealed him at 8 minutes: Arion! My comic book nerd soul can now rest. Thank you.
I kinda knew that Power Girl costume history was quite a journey, but I wasn’t expecting all this ups and downs.
I think she is a really cool character and as someone who also has a “big front” is nice to se her comfortable in her own body. Yeah, a lot of the writing of the character is very obvious written by dudes, but then and there she is written and draw with the respect and love that she deserves and again, l really think she is very cool.
(Sorry for any misspelling, English is not my first language)
One comic explained that the 'boob window" was both a distraction to male villains, and a way to keep them from paying attention to her face, since she never covered it up to hide her identity.
is so funny to think that not only men in DC universe where more fouces on her boobs than her face, but also women because no one where like "wait, isn't she...?" even if she doesn't hide her face
The chest window of Power Girl isn't sexist, it is empowering women.
She wears her chest window suit because she is a strong and confident woman comfortable in her own body, not ashamed of it, nor caring of what others might say about her.
She wears it because she can, and because she wants to, and if that chest window just happens to prove a distraction to some of her enemies, well, then it's just a welcome opening to take advantage of while she laughs at her enemy's stupidity at letting something silly like that distract them.
I love Power Girl, she’s a great characters who’s been apart of both my all time favorite superhero team (the JSA) and the JLI, my all time favorite comic run, and that boob window always makes me a little embarrassed to admit it.
As a girl myself, I find Powergirl to be VERY empowering ︎︎💙 She feels so strong while being so secure of herself. I see the costume as super empowering ︎💙 I like that it stands for something: femininity and individuality. Like BAM. Here they are. Deal with it. The not giving a fuck about the societal standards of humans and being just so proud and out there, it brings a smile to my face.
Also boobs are awesome? C’mon people
Born a girl tho?
@@weelzneal4768 Does it matter?
@@juliaandstuffs7404 ofc
@@weelzneal4768 I dunno man. I don't think the opinion of whether or not you think a female character is empowering needs to be based on your gender identity.
And who cares, trans women are women. Doesn't matter what you're born as.
(Not saying the original poster is trans, I just hate when people go "but you weren't born a girl so..." towards me in particular)
@@juliaandstuffs7404 nobody asked u dude
All this back and force and them trying to explain it (especially the superman talk) just make me scream internally “NO ONE FUCKING CARES”.
Honestly I completely disagree on it looking ridiculous on male characters the chest window looks great on them!
I wish it was more utilized on male character design
One of the top comments already said it, but Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure has this in spades and it’s magnificent lol
First time viewer. Great coverage of her changes over the decades.
Quick story: I dated an alt/nude model for a few years and she always told me she felt most in control when she was in those situations. It made her feel powerful and honestly, I can't really argue with her. I hear it from a few of my friends that I have been in the sex industry, that what they're doing is female empowerment.
Leave Power Girl's costume alone, let her be sexy and let her control her own narrative. I realize we're talking about a fictional character, but she's as iconic as Batman and Superman and should be treated as such.
It can only be considered empowerment if they had severe body image issues in the first place which gave them discomfort with bring in their own bodies.
I wouldn't necessarily be praising any nude models. Their job is just like any other.
But I'd certainly be concerned that body image issues exist in your culture in the first place.
I know women who have zero body image issues, and yet choose to dress reserved because they believe the professionalism and focus away from sex is a better representation of their personalities.
Opposite action(dressing up instead of stripping down) and yet more empowered than any nude model
Dithaingam Panmei You do your thing, they do theirs. There’s no one answer to this kind of thing, best to cater to both
Tbh i think its quite realistic that, if you are some crazy strong superhero you would want to show off your body, it really is a symbol of your power and defiance. In real life men and women with strong developed bodies show them off too!
Reminds me reading Kingdom Come by Alex Ross… when Clark Kent, Bruce Wayne and Diana Prince meet in that restaurant and Bruce wants to know the cut of the Power Girl chicken sandwich and the waiter simply answers „breast“…
If the Power Girl appears in a live action movie, the actress has to live up to a big expectation.
VERY BIG EXPECTATION!
Boobs made of men's dreams and hopes.
DC fans explaining why boob windows are important to the story
For some women modesty is feminine empowerment, for some women nudity is feminine enpowerment, femisnm is about letting women figure out and decide themself what and how they wanna express their femininity
Im not a comic book reader, I only known Power Girl through the animations.
I love characters like her. I call it Big Chest Energy (kinda like Big Dick Energy), where a female character is interesting, cool, and badass while at the same time, be proud of their attractiveness.
Sure, it can be viewed as sexualized, but when the character just consider it as a plus and focus more on her character and her journey, then thats A+ for attractive and compelling to me.
There are so many women that now wear clothes with the "chest window". I was watching some NFL game in the past month and the sideline announcer was wearing a "chest window". It's in fashion now so everyone who is going off on the "chest window" can officially give it up.
Power Girl literal fashion trendsetter.
Props to wearing that comic accurate costume
"Focus on what really matters... Great story."
My god, so beautiful.
"I hope this is the end of this literally decades-long debate about this character's costume". Ha-ha-ha!
10:51 me in my head: man that guy looks like a face of a criminal
*a few seconds later* well.....I uh....feels wierd to me proven right on that one
“At the beginning of issue 69… nice “
I really wasn't ready for for how *much* the history of her costume would be.
Ultimately, after seeing the alternatives and hearing some of the justifications (subverting the chest symbol trope, highlighting femininity), I think the classic concept is the best, and has managed to be very distinctive and unique to her.
Really, they don't need to put so much effort into redesigning her in the opposite direction. They can just be mindful of that in the ways they illustrate her. Posing, composition, technique, and all kinds of small things can add up. In that way, I think JLE had a good idea (though maybe not the greatest execution).
If they do redesign her, they should embrace the boob window and do more experimentation with how it fits into the costume.
11:54 Right on.
And then loses all of that so quickly.
Sheesh.
I love power girl she's really awesome and tons of fun
Funny how women can show a ton of cleavage and no one has an issue but as soon as you take the same outfit and slightly cover up the top area above the cleavage suddenly its is an outrageous "boob window"
Exactly.
I feel like all these writers are missing the easiest and most obvious explanation for her costume:
"I wear it because I feel like it."
As a girl myself, I see Powergirl’s costume as super empowering ︎💙 I like that it stands for something: femininity and individuality. And not giving a fuck about the societal standards of humans and being just so proud and out there, it brings a smile to my face.
Your absolutely right on that point.
Plus who doesn’t like boobs??
I thought he was talking about a Power Puff Girl, damn I'm stupid.
*WE are stupid
@@Row_of_E lmaooo
12:00 That line is...hoooo! So good!
I want a power girl mini-series. That is done in different art for each issue. All about her and her many costume changes. Other male heroes shaming her, maybe a few in later issues apologizing. I think it can be very compelling and an interesting and modern take on women outfits and styles over the years and how we may have shamed or overly sexualized them.
I definitely see that rotting on the shelves.
@@maxxor-overworldhero6730 But it would be interesting though. Maybe if it was spearheaded by an influencial feminist and wasn't used solely to shame men for liking boobs, but rather talk about the CHARACTER that is Power Girl and how her legacy was affected by such a simple costume choice.
@@talphazero1036 You literally just poisoned your own suggestion.
I don't know a single male hero in DC who would shame the boob window.
You seem to put message before character. I think that will probably bore readers
@@dithaingampanmei ikr
Power Girl: Gets an emblem or covers up
Five Minutes Later:
PG: RIIIIP! Now that's better! Now I'm free, now I'm movin', come on Batman let's get groovin'!
Cutting your shirt is hilarious. 0:17
@17:34 She's a fantastic 3 dimensional character...
Well-rounded even 😅
i legit thought he was gonna say "Boobies" when he said "lets focus on what rly matters" at the last minute. Lol