im gonna guess that rocket mode cuts off as its just briefly using the peak rating for the pack. if it was kept on you run the risk of hitting thermal cut off limits of whichever cells they are using. As annoying as it is, thats quite a good safety feature.
@@ericklein5097They are using LG M50LT cells, which rate at 7A each (max burst 10A) and in 20S7P config, that is pitiful (yes they SAY BMS max is 85A normal and 150A turbo burst, but that don't mean cells can supply that). EBMX told me the tune they are working on for it is struggling to add much given the top end current out of this pack limitations...
The bike looks great and seems to rip, but when I hear it kills a SURRON it make me wonder. Surron is a brand name, so what Surron model is it being compared to? SURRON has the Light bee, Light bee X, Ultra bee and Storm bee on the market.
Pretty cool to you realize the front forks/suspension is a meager little mountain bike setup.....first time you case that front-end you're going over the bars for sure....
You're tripping those front stantions are probably close to 45mm with 200mm of travel. Most high end full supension bikes (used for trails not downhill) run 120-150mm of travel lol that is 100% dirtbike suspension if anything EXTREMELY nice downhill forks not to mention theyre inverted..
Hey Jack what is that music in the beginning. I've been looking for that style like the song opium. Thanks big fan from way back. Good to see your still producing content
I get that rocket mode lasting a few seconds is a precaution so the motor or battery doesn't get burnt out or the rider doesn't hurt themselves but i feel like they should've let it last a bit longer. Since they was able to program it to do that then i assume the curious and savvy person can undo that restriction.
It's a good thing I made a quick video scan. I though this video is about the bike specially how it performs. But you attached the cam to your body and what I will be watching is where your going not the bike.. Someone should be taking the video and do a panning or use a drone.
In the UK there are INCH-PERFECT-TRIALS that use the New Electric TRIALS bikes and they are Brilliant, You can get 1 with an Clutch so when you Need to Rev the Motor [WITHOUT TAKING OFF] You can Hold in the Clutch Rev the Motor and release the Clutch to JUMP up obstacles. E-MOTION i think the Manufacturer is in Europe. The Best E-BIKE i have seen yet [Like an SURRON/TALARIA] Is the E-RIDE-PRO SS,As it has already got EVERYTHING you would put on a Standard Surron 60V.
Looks great! I had to watch the video twice to hear who makes it though. Now I have to see if you have any more videos on it... Apollo you say? RFN is the model? Must google that!
Since you have superbee wish you would park next to this for size comparison. Also surron releasing superbee ultra which should be similar in size. Ps. Man your property is dope as hell! I love all the Kei trucks you have!!!
Been a fan for few years now. No hate but curious if you still want to post car content? Been watching long enough to understand you post based on what you want, not for views or money...just would love a car update. Either way love your channel
If the seat and plastics were a bit lower down from the bars it'd be good to stunt but you could get smaller forks and get wider smaller tyres to build a freestyle street stunt bike build aswell
Make rocket mode is like my 750watt bagang mid drive motor difference is it doesn't cut out after 10 seconds it didn't cost me more than £800 including the battery and I got to choose the bike i put it on .these thing's cost way way way too much
Get a used dirt bike on the marketplace And have a buddy that's a good welder weld a bracket for your 72v mid drive motor and the hardest part is done ✅ after that get a controller and battery based on what your needs are Also replacement parts will always be available. Always! If a ebike company shuts down. Good luck finding replacement parts( seriously 😂).But this is a nice bike plus side is it's an Apollo those parts will always be around ( Honda clone parts probably!) 😂
I think for proper testing of this bike it should be tested in different climates. Ohio would be an excellent test site. I would be more than happy to do one of those tests. Lol.
TLDW (Too Long, Didn't Watch) version: From Apollo. 120 lbs (he says 115 - 120 lbs, makes me wonder if he actually put it on the scale). 12kw rated (Surron 5kw). 72v (Surron 60v). Price = same as Surron. Rear tire 18", front 19". I'm skeptical about the thing, since it's a pre-release version. What will the price actually be? Weight? This thing is slightly bigger and has wider tires and a hotter engine/battery, hmmmm, I'll believe the weight when I see it scale verified. Range is questionable. Tortoise mode gives 2 hours, supposedly; rabbit mode (supposedly feels like 5kw Surron) is next mode up and ostensibly gives less time. I'm excited by the thing but want to see the real specs.
@@northernadventurer160 Yup, definitely not impressed with the presentation. In his other video he says the price is $5-6000, which is not the same as Surron. So, there are lots of things being glossed over.
eat it? attempt to do the intercourse in it's smokin hawt holes? inhale the smoke till ya feel kinda funny? Dress it up nice and take it to an adult bookstore? 🤣🤣🤣 Would really would happen tho if you have the BMS fail while riding the bike (vs not using the bike so battery is removed & in a fireproof lipo bag on the charger in storage) & for some reason the cell ignited; common sense says put it out and order a new battery. tf else? 😂 As someone who's been a professional mechanic for 10ish years; traditional bikes/vehicles have wayyyyy more potential points of failure/things that can catch on fire compared to an EV and even have the same type of batteries EV's use for 12v accessory power with the same level of risk of chemically igniting (in just about every car made after 2015/16). Also they usually not easy to remove quickly or easily get whatever type of fire retardant on either or have active BMS to monitor the cells or alert/stop/prevent the cells from chemically igniting. TBH ya got 100x reasons to be worried about a traditional IC vehicle going up in flames vs an EV. For every 1600 vehicles that catch fire; only 4 of em are electric based on data from 2021 🤠
This one looks super nice and with some good power behind it, would love to see you hack this one to unlock it's full potential, like getting it to stay in rocket mode all the time and unlocking the speed limiter , I think it would take it to another level specially being a 100lb bike 👍👍
Oh man I really wanna come by your shop to check this thing out can you lmk if that’s possible? I want t9 buy one I got rid of my surron and got a grom but I miss the surron
Apollo Has impressed me with their Pitbikes and now with this! Do you know if the speeds can be changed on the fly while moving? or does the bike need to be stopped?
Thanks for posting. REALLY looking forward to info on potential upgrades/tuning (especially info in additional cooling/thermal control for the motor & controller which might be needed to stay in "rocket" mode). How did you order this bike? Is there a USA distributor yet?
I like it just because it's not a surron and small and I'm glad you said you have the fastest surron at 85 but I really need to know that 1/4 mile time. top speed doesn't win races I'm asking cuz I wanna know if you have the fastest ebike.
jack thanks for the video but what do you think of RFN quality wise because there regrlar motor dirt bikes a cheaply made. but can you get that to stay on rocket mode more than ten seconds. plus they are a bit pricey. I have the rawrr mantis and am happy with it super well made quality wise. what do you think of the RFN compared to the surron ultra bee ?? h How is the handling on the RFN ?? good video thoiugh informative im sure you have had alot more time to check it outt curious on the thoughts on the bike since this video.
when will this bike release and whats the make model and is there a pre order i have a stock surron i want to give the lady and i will get this! because my budget is surron level but i want more than a stock surron so i think its what i need
I think this is def the future. And I'm a huge dirt bike guy. But I've ridden an electric bike. They are amazing. It's just longevity. What's funny is the could make an X version of electric bike. But the keep making them for crazy performance. If they designed a Bike to be electric, but more in the 225lb range rather than the 150-175 range. they would get the longevity that guys like myself are looking for. 3.5-4hrs. I would consider it then.
Yea it's an interesting comparison. The ultra bee should be faster out of the box, but the Apollo is around 50lbs lighter, so with some tweaking it could be quicker. Price is also about 1k cheaper than the ultra bee
After seeing multiple vids of Ebikes catching fire. I believe if they can make the bike's with a quick battery release system so if there is a fire, you can kick a lever and allow the battery to unplug and drop too the ground. Saving the bike from damage.
If you hacked the software and could keep it in rocket mode all the time you would have squat for range, it will eat up the battery reserves and likely overheat the motor and or controller... theres a reason why they limit it.. but sure looks fun!
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6:07 in, as you turn the key, you can hear the horse power lol..beautiful bike.
Yeah these things are killer but, WHY Dafuq do they cost $10k+ !!????? It's obscene
Maybe if they get some competition? Hopefully, the price will go down.
I will be selling them at 6K
They’re mainly for rich kids or guys with money to blow.
The batteries .that's why
I'd prefer the Talaria 72v
im gonna guess that rocket mode cuts off as its just briefly using the peak rating for the pack. if it was kept on you run the risk of hitting thermal cut off limits of whichever cells they are using. As annoying as it is, thats quite a good safety feature.
I'll be testing those limits. You can bet on it.
I'd expect the esc to have current limiting too, by the time the cells are hot enough to trip the thermal fuse they'll already be damaged....
Garbage...I want PowerBand on demand!!! 2Strooooooooooke!
If they aren't using Molicel P42A's or P45B's I'd question every other choice made on this bike by the manufacturer
@@ericklein5097They are using LG M50LT cells, which rate at 7A each (max burst 10A) and in 20S7P config, that is pitiful (yes they SAY BMS max is 85A normal and 150A turbo burst, but that don't mean cells can supply that). EBMX told me the tune they are working on for it is struggling to add much given the top end current out of this pack limitations...
Try to make it over to the LZ compound to test it out!
So do you put playing cards in the spokes to try to mimic a motorcycle like sound ?
The bike looks great and seems to rip, but when I hear it kills a SURRON it make me wonder. Surron is a brand name, so what Surron model is it being compared to? SURRON has the Light bee, Light bee X, Ultra bee and Storm bee on the market.
Just because you don’t need to make it more powerful you being Jack probably should make it more powerful
You already know.
I hope to eventually see this thing become unrealistically fast lol
Pretty cool to you realize the front forks/suspension is a meager little mountain bike setup.....first time you case that front-end you're going over the bars for sure....
You're tripping those front stantions are probably close to 45mm with 200mm of travel. Most high end full supension bikes (used for trails not downhill) run 120-150mm of travel lol that is 100% dirtbike suspension if anything EXTREMELY nice downhill forks not to mention theyre inverted..
@@CartaIV Downhill mountain bikes usually use 200mm travel forks
Hey Jack what is that music in the beginning. I've been looking for that style like the song opium. Thanks big fan from way back. Good to see your still producing content
I’d like to know too!
Awesome song, where did you get it?
My lawnmower feels good on the grass also . Confidence inspiring LMAO
You should do a comparison on a track with a surron
yes for sure!
nice but can u ride it like the sur ron every where, with this optic, i dont think so
Controller and battery upgrade should allow permanent rocket mode. Battery probably cant keep up for extended periods of time.
The tortoise mode seemed pretty useless but other than that it looks like a lot of fun. I would love to get one someday.
Are they any charging station on the trail?
Sorry, you spoke about the rear brake calipers, and displayed the Disk roader instead?
How does this compare to the KTM electric bike?
I get that rocket mode lasting a few seconds is a precaution so the motor or battery doesn't get burnt out or the rider doesn't hurt themselves but i feel like they should've let it last a bit longer. Since they was able to program it to do that then i assume the curious and savvy person can undo that restriction.
Rear suspension is smooth and doesn't kick like conventional suspensions.
Looking forward to seeing them in stock so I can pick one up. With my size the sur ron was just a bit on the small side. This should be perfect!
Yea this is one size up!
10k.....
Surron is releasing the ultra which is bigger version on the superbee which should be the same size as this.
@@Slippzy I just ordered 20 of them. I am going to sell them at $6K if you are interested.
massage me if you are interested in buying one. I am taking orders
Suspension?
What forks?
What rear shock?
When is this going in the market 😍???
It's a good thing I made a quick video scan. I though this video is about the bike specially how it performs. But you attached the cam to your body and what I will be watching is where your going not the bike.. Someone should be taking the video and do a panning or use a drone.
I heard you mention that it's made by "Apollo". Is that the same Apollo that makes the scooters?
Omg, that Song is Bangin!
Who is that?
In the UK there are INCH-PERFECT-TRIALS that use the New Electric TRIALS bikes and they are Brilliant, You can get 1 with an Clutch so when you Need to Rev the Motor [WITHOUT TAKING OFF] You can Hold in the Clutch Rev the Motor and release the Clutch to JUMP up obstacles. E-MOTION i think the Manufacturer is in Europe. The Best E-BIKE i have seen yet [Like an SURRON/TALARIA] Is the E-RIDE-PRO SS,As it has already got EVERYTHING you would put on a Standard Surron 60V.
Looks great! I had to watch the video twice to hear who makes it though.
Now I have to see if you have any more videos on it... Apollo you say? RFN is the model? Must google that!
After the whole video i dident catch the brand name?
I want one for the street headlights and tail light brake light switch
I want more tractor content. You always make good videos.
I'm working on it!
Since you have superbee wish you would park next to this for size comparison. Also surron releasing superbee ultra which should be similar in size.
Ps. Man your property is dope as hell! I love all the Kei trucks you have!!!
light bee is around 15-20% smaller. the ultra bee is around 15-20% larger. so this bike fits in between.
Ultra bee is 187 lbs so much heavier
You should have the name of the bike somewhere in the title or description at least.
Exactly how do we know what it even is?
Been a fan for few years now. No hate but curious if you still want to post car content? Been watching long enough to understand you post based on what you want, not for views or money...just would love a car update. Either way love your channel
Yea of course there will be plenty of car stuff. Thanks for watching
Does it make the horse noise every time you turn the key on 6:08? Pretty cool feature
Yeah that's boss
What's the name of the manufacturer and where can I find this bike?
RFN APPOLO basée au Japon .
If the seat and plastics were a bit lower down from the bars it'd be good to stunt but you could get smaller forks and get wider smaller tyres to build a freestyle street stunt bike build aswell
Make rocket mode is like my 750watt bagang mid drive motor difference is it doesn't cut out after 10 seconds it didn't cost me more than £800 including the battery and I got to choose the bike i put it on .these thing's cost way way way too much
Get a used dirt bike on the marketplace And have a buddy that's a good welder weld a bracket for your 72v mid drive motor and the hardest part is done ✅ after that get a controller and battery based on what your needs are Also replacement parts will always be available. Always! If a ebike company shuts down. Good luck finding replacement parts( seriously 😂).But this is a nice bike plus side is it's an Apollo those parts will always be around ( Honda clone parts probably!) 😂
How does this bike not exist on the internet? Searched all over and can’t find it😮
How much is that bike loved it
Exlant bike to stick on back my T4 van and play in woods for a bit
👍👍👍😜🏴🦕🦄😁✌️🤞
I would love to test this bike in the mountain trails in WV.
Ditto. HMT Mullens to Pineville in rabbit mode.
Why does the display look different from the stock bike
Where can you purchase one , nice video good job 👏 👍
Looks like mtb brakes and suspensions which I’m very worried about with a bike way heavier than a Surron…
Is this size comparable to the Talaria
Could you please tell me how I can become a tester for products like this? I've tried but can't seem to figure it out man.
I think for proper testing of this bike it should be tested in different climates. Ohio would be an excellent test site. I would be more than happy to do one of those tests. Lol.
then buy one
Only in ohio
Definitely looks good surron is small I’m interested in this what’s the price?
I am selling them for $6k. Just got a shipment show up in the Los Angeles
Yes, but can you do a pirouette or a Piaffe at K in the dressage arena lol. Pretty cool toy
When can we see you doing backflips?
Give me 450-600 power a traditional gear shifter at the left foot and a clutch and 5 speed...
On a dirt bike frame and I'd want one.
TLDW (Too Long, Didn't Watch) version: From Apollo. 120 lbs (he says 115 - 120 lbs, makes me wonder if he actually put it on the scale). 12kw rated (Surron 5kw). 72v (Surron 60v). Price = same as Surron. Rear tire 18", front 19".
I'm skeptical about the thing, since it's a pre-release version. What will the price actually be? Weight? This thing is slightly bigger and has wider tires and a hotter engine/battery, hmmmm, I'll believe the weight when I see it scale verified. Range is questionable. Tortoise mode gives 2 hours, supposedly; rabbit mode (supposedly feels like 5kw Surron) is next mode up and ostensibly gives less time.
I'm excited by the thing but want to see the real specs.
Came to say, worst product description pitch ever. He mentioned Surron so many times and not once gave full name of this model
@@northernadventurer160 Yup, definitely not impressed with the presentation. In his other video he says the price is $5-6000, which is not the same as Surron. So, there are lots of things being glossed over.
What actually is this brand etc x
I'm pissed. I bought this same bike and I don't get the horse sounds when I power it on. @06:08 Did you have to unlock that feature?
Nice but what happens when it sets on fire 👍
eat it? attempt to do the intercourse in it's smokin hawt holes? inhale the smoke till ya feel kinda funny? Dress it up nice and take it to an adult bookstore?
🤣🤣🤣
Would really would happen tho if you have the BMS fail while riding the bike (vs not using the bike so battery is removed & in a fireproof lipo bag on the charger in storage) & for some reason the cell ignited; common sense says put it out and order a new battery. tf else? 😂
As someone who's been a professional mechanic for 10ish years; traditional bikes/vehicles have wayyyyy more potential points of failure/things that can catch on fire compared to an EV and even have the same type of batteries EV's use for 12v accessory power with the same level of risk of chemically igniting (in just about every car made after 2015/16). Also they usually not easy to remove quickly or easily get whatever type of fire retardant on either or have active BMS to monitor the cells or alert/stop/prevent the cells from chemically igniting. TBH ya got 100x reasons to be worried about a traditional IC vehicle going up in flames vs an EV. For every 1600 vehicles that catch fire; only 4 of em are electric based on data from 2021 🤠
This one looks super nice and with some good power behind it, would love to see you hack this one to unlock it's full potential, like getting it to stay in rocket mode all the time and unlocking the speed limiter , I think it would take it to another level specially being a 100lb bike 👍👍
For sure! I'm working on it!
You've got that right! Very well said.
For 10k you can get something way more fun than one of these
@@mrobertson188 He said same price as a surron, so I'm assuming 4-5k
They make the Sur ron ultra bee now and storm bee for full size.
Oh man I really wanna come by your shop to check this thing out can you lmk if that’s possible? I want t9 buy one I got rid of my surron and got a grom but I miss the surron
When is this one coming out?
When you said little on the dinky side the horse in the background agreed 😂
Apollo Has impressed me with their Pitbikes and now with this! Do you know if the speeds can be changed on the fly while moving? or does the bike need to be stopped?
Thanks for posting. REALLY looking forward to info on potential upgrades/tuning (especially info in additional cooling/thermal control for the motor & controller which might be needed to stay in "rocket" mode). How did you order this bike? Is there a USA distributor yet?
I like it just because it's not a surron and small and I'm glad you said you have the fastest surron at 85 but I really need to know that 1/4 mile time. top speed doesn't win races I'm asking cuz I wanna know if you have the fastest ebike.
Range is effectively 40 miles. The Surron storm bee is double for less. Price is about 8.5k and goes to 75-80 mph. Id like to see some mods on that.
It will not get 40 miles on fast off road riding, not will the Ultra bee get 80!
Looks 10x cooler than a sur
jack thanks for the video but what do you think of RFN quality wise because there regrlar motor dirt bikes a cheaply made. but can you get that to stay on rocket mode more than ten seconds. plus they are a bit pricey. I have the rawrr mantis and am happy with it super well made quality wise. what do you think of the RFN compared to the surron ultra bee ?? h
How is the handling on the RFN ?? good video thoiugh informative im sure you have had alot more time to check it outt curious on the thoughts on the bike since this video.
How much does one cost?
What name brand is it?
Where can I buy one?
Where do you buy this bike?
What is this bike called?
when will this bike release and whats the make model and is there a pre order
i have a stock surron i want to give the lady and i will get this! because my budget is surron level but i want more than a stock surron so i think its what i need
So what’s the brand I would like to get one 😁
I think this is def the future. And I'm a huge dirt bike guy. But I've ridden an electric bike. They are amazing. It's just longevity. What's funny is the could make an X version of electric bike. But the keep making them for crazy performance. If they designed a Bike to be electric, but more in the 225lb range rather than the 150-175 range. they would get the longevity that guys like myself are looking for. 3.5-4hrs. I would consider it then.
bet the price will still be more than its worth
Jack you rock! Love the channel and content! Love that bike must be nice because you said it was better than a SurRon! Peace
what the link to the bike store?
Looks like the Ultra Bee has some competition. Not really sure on all the stats but these bikes look nice. Any idea on the pricing?
You should look up the TH-camr sur ronster on TH-cam because he’s also got some great content like jack
Yea it's an interesting comparison. The ultra bee should be faster out of the box, but the Apollo is around 50lbs lighter, so with some tweaking it could be quicker. Price is also about 1k cheaper than the ultra bee
After seeing multiple vids of Ebikes catching fire.
I believe if they can make the bike's with a quick battery release system so if there is a fire, you can kick a lever and allow the battery to unplug and drop too the ground.
Saving the bike from damage.
What is the brand and model please?
Im not tryna be mean but the reason "rocket mode" doesnt stay on for long is because its lauch mode
Thats why the power is so strong off start
problem is, every corner on a track is another acceleration. This rocket mode needs to stay on so that we have the acceleration when necessary.
I didnt get the name of the bike. I hear Sur on twice a minute tho.. weird.
opening edit is 🔥🔥🔥🔥.SPUNK!
YO wats the intro bang homie?? If ya dnt mind me askin. Diggin the beat. I kno entirely errelevant to vid
Does it have a name?
who makes this? is there a website?
did you see the ultra bee yet ?
An ultra bee with 21/18 wheels is super sweet but expensive
Haven’t heard what it is yet ?
what is the name of the ebike?? I want to buy it
Wish I could afford one
If you hacked the software and could keep it in rocket mode all the time you would have squat for range, it will eat up the battery reserves and likely overheat the motor and or controller... theres a reason why they limit it.. but sure looks fun!
How does this compare to the new surron ultra bee?
Rocket mode about like 85-100 cc gas bike
Ren. They got lextra n other china brands to. Egl rps
its a mid bike looks cool asf i bought a pit bike emptied out gonna make it electric fast enough for highways
Song name for edit?
Man i cant wait to put on a pedal kit on that thing.
How do you get the battery out 🤔☝️🤟👽🚲
My yz 250f is just as lite and it's made by Apollo last time a had a Apollo it broke in the 1 week
This is ARES RALLY PRO, priced at $6k...max speed is 45 mph..for 74v?!
This is an updated version. Speed is limited. It can go much faster.
@@JackCecil So, can some wire be cut and unlocked the true speed like Sur ron? What about the price? If its that high, then its not better.
Real, motorcycle way better for the price
How about the Beta e version?