im gonna guess that rocket mode cuts off as its just briefly using the peak rating for the pack. if it was kept on you run the risk of hitting thermal cut off limits of whichever cells they are using. As annoying as it is, thats quite a good safety feature.
@@ericklein5097They are using LG M50LT cells, which rate at 7A each (max burst 10A) and in 20S7P config, that is pitiful (yes they SAY BMS max is 85A normal and 150A turbo burst, but that don't mean cells can supply that). EBMX told me the tune they are working on for it is struggling to add much given the top end current out of this pack limitations...
Pretty cool to you realize the front forks/suspension is a meager little mountain bike setup.....first time you case that front-end you're going over the bars for sure....
You're tripping those front stantions are probably close to 45mm with 200mm of travel. Most high end full supension bikes (used for trails not downhill) run 120-150mm of travel lol that is 100% dirtbike suspension if anything EXTREMELY nice downhill forks not to mention theyre inverted..
In the UK there are INCH-PERFECT-TRIALS that use the New Electric TRIALS bikes and they are Brilliant, You can get 1 with an Clutch so when you Need to Rev the Motor [WITHOUT TAKING OFF] You can Hold in the Clutch Rev the Motor and release the Clutch to JUMP up obstacles. E-MOTION i think the Manufacturer is in Europe. The Best E-BIKE i have seen yet [Like an SURRON/TALARIA] Is the E-RIDE-PRO SS,As it has already got EVERYTHING you would put on a Standard Surron 60V.
I get that rocket mode lasting a few seconds is a precaution so the motor or battery doesn't get burnt out or the rider doesn't hurt themselves but i feel like they should've let it last a bit longer. Since they was able to program it to do that then i assume the curious and savvy person can undo that restriction.
Hey Jack what is that music in the beginning. I've been looking for that style like the song opium. Thanks big fan from way back. Good to see your still producing content
The bike looks great and seems to rip, but when I hear it kills a SURRON it make me wonder. Surron is a brand name, so what Surron model is it being compared to? SURRON has the Light bee, Light bee X, Ultra bee and Storm bee on the market.
It's a good thing I made a quick video scan. I though this video is about the bike specially how it performs. But you attached the cam to your body and what I will be watching is where your going not the bike.. Someone should be taking the video and do a panning or use a drone.
Get a used dirt bike on the marketplace And have a buddy that's a good welder weld a bracket for your 72v mid drive motor and the hardest part is done ✅ after that get a controller and battery based on what your needs are Also replacement parts will always be available. Always! If a ebike company shuts down. Good luck finding replacement parts( seriously 😂).But this is a nice bike plus side is it's an Apollo those parts will always be around ( Honda clone parts probably!) 😂
I think for proper testing of this bike it should be tested in different climates. Ohio would be an excellent test site. I would be more than happy to do one of those tests. Lol.
After seeing multiple vids of Ebikes catching fire. I believe if they can make the bike's with a quick battery release system so if there is a fire, you can kick a lever and allow the battery to unplug and drop too the ground. Saving the bike from damage.
Since you have superbee wish you would park next to this for size comparison. Also surron releasing superbee ultra which should be similar in size. Ps. Man your property is dope as hell! I love all the Kei trucks you have!!!
If the seat and plastics were a bit lower down from the bars it'd be good to stunt but you could get smaller forks and get wider smaller tyres to build a freestyle street stunt bike build aswell
This one looks super nice and with some good power behind it, would love to see you hack this one to unlock it's full potential, like getting it to stay in rocket mode all the time and unlocking the speed limiter , I think it would take it to another level specially being a 100lb bike 👍👍
I think this is def the future. And I'm a huge dirt bike guy. But I've ridden an electric bike. They are amazing. It's just longevity. What's funny is the could make an X version of electric bike. But the keep making them for crazy performance. If they designed a Bike to be electric, but more in the 225lb range rather than the 150-175 range. they would get the longevity that guys like myself are looking for. 3.5-4hrs. I would consider it then.
TLDW (Too Long, Didn't Watch) version: From Apollo. 120 lbs (he says 115 - 120 lbs, makes me wonder if he actually put it on the scale). 12kw rated (Surron 5kw). 72v (Surron 60v). Price = same as Surron. Rear tire 18", front 19". I'm skeptical about the thing, since it's a pre-release version. What will the price actually be? Weight? This thing is slightly bigger and has wider tires and a hotter engine/battery, hmmmm, I'll believe the weight when I see it scale verified. Range is questionable. Tortoise mode gives 2 hours, supposedly; rabbit mode (supposedly feels like 5kw Surron) is next mode up and ostensibly gives less time. I'm excited by the thing but want to see the real specs.
@@northernadventurer160 Yup, definitely not impressed with the presentation. In his other video he says the price is $5-6000, which is not the same as Surron. So, there are lots of things being glossed over.
Make rocket mode is like my 750watt bagang mid drive motor difference is it doesn't cut out after 10 seconds it didn't cost me more than £800 including the battery and I got to choose the bike i put it on .these thing's cost way way way too much
Looks great! I had to watch the video twice to hear who makes it though. Now I have to see if you have any more videos on it... Apollo you say? RFN is the model? Must google that!
Been a fan for few years now. No hate but curious if you still want to post car content? Been watching long enough to understand you post based on what you want, not for views or money...just would love a car update. Either way love your channel
Look up sur ronster on TH-cam because he’s all about the modded up electric bikes, full size step through electric scooters and full size electric dirt bikes and pit bikes as well to
I would say if it only weighs a mere 120 lbs, it is not much bigger than a Surron. My black Terminator is much smoother riding and it keeps up with traffic real easy here in Metro Detroit. Itis an Enduro, made for both on and off roadd....looks 2x better too
You have to remember the surroundings like a bicycle would let you get away with a lot more looks like a full on dirtbike. You might as well buy a dirtbike.👀
Apollo Has impressed me with their Pitbikes and now with this! Do you know if the speeds can be changed on the fly while moving? or does the bike need to be stopped?
If you hacked the software and could keep it in rocket mode all the time you would have squat for range, it will eat up the battery reserves and likely overheat the motor and or controller... theres a reason why they limit it.. but sure looks fun!
Yea it's an interesting comparison. The ultra bee should be faster out of the box, but the Apollo is around 50lbs lighter, so with some tweaking it could be quicker. Price is also about 1k cheaper than the ultra bee
I do the E bike thing. I always say...."it's fast but not Motor Cycle Fast. Once owner of a '85 CR 500. Now I got a Delfast and a Stealth Bomber. Worse dirt bike ever made...the '79 Honda Elsinore, yep! that too....
man, i really wanna jump on the electric bandwagon here because of weight and instant torque. but until they are similar in price AND POWER ima take the cheaper faster option. but damn if they arent coming along fast
jack thanks for the video but what do you think of RFN quality wise because there regrlar motor dirt bikes a cheaply made. but can you get that to stay on rocket mode more than ten seconds. plus they are a bit pricey. I have the rawrr mantis and am happy with it super well made quality wise. what do you think of the RFN compared to the surron ultra bee ?? h How is the handling on the RFN ?? good video thoiugh informative im sure you have had alot more time to check it outt curious on the thoughts on the bike since this video.
Oh man I really wanna come by your shop to check this thing out can you lmk if that’s possible? I want t9 buy one I got rid of my surron and got a grom but I miss the surron
Thanks for posting. REALLY looking forward to info on potential upgrades/tuning (especially info in additional cooling/thermal control for the motor & controller which might be needed to stay in "rocket" mode). How did you order this bike? Is there a USA distributor yet?
eat it? attempt to do the intercourse in it's smokin hawt holes? inhale the smoke till ya feel kinda funny? Dress it up nice and take it to an adult bookstore? 🤣🤣🤣 Would really would happen tho if you have the BMS fail while riding the bike (vs not using the bike so battery is removed & in a fireproof lipo bag on the charger in storage) & for some reason the cell ignited; common sense says put it out and order a new battery. tf else? 😂 As someone who's been a professional mechanic for 10ish years; traditional bikes/vehicles have wayyyyy more potential points of failure/things that can catch on fire compared to an EV and even have the same type of batteries EV's use for 12v accessory power with the same level of risk of chemically igniting (in just about every car made after 2015/16). Also they usually not easy to remove quickly or easily get whatever type of fire retardant on either or have active BMS to monitor the cells or alert/stop/prevent the cells from chemically igniting. TBH ya got 100x reasons to be worried about a traditional IC vehicle going up in flames vs an EV. For every 1600 vehicles that catch fire; only 4 of em are electric based on data from 2021 🤠
6:07 in, as you turn the key, you can hear the horse power lol..beautiful bike.
im gonna guess that rocket mode cuts off as its just briefly using the peak rating for the pack. if it was kept on you run the risk of hitting thermal cut off limits of whichever cells they are using. As annoying as it is, thats quite a good safety feature.
I'll be testing those limits. You can bet on it.
I'd expect the esc to have current limiting too, by the time the cells are hot enough to trip the thermal fuse they'll already be damaged....
Garbage...I want PowerBand on demand!!! 2Strooooooooooke!
If they aren't using Molicel P42A's or P45B's I'd question every other choice made on this bike by the manufacturer
@@ericklein5097They are using LG M50LT cells, which rate at 7A each (max burst 10A) and in 20S7P config, that is pitiful (yes they SAY BMS max is 85A normal and 150A turbo burst, but that don't mean cells can supply that). EBMX told me the tune they are working on for it is struggling to add much given the top end current out of this pack limitations...
Yeah these things are killer but, WHY Dafuq do they cost $10k+ !!????? It's obscene
Maybe if they get some competition? Hopefully, the price will go down.
I will be selling them at 6K
They’re mainly for rich kids or guys with money to blow.
The batteries .that's why
I'd prefer the Talaria 72v
Try to make it over to the LZ compound to test it out!
My lawnmower feels good on the grass also . Confidence inspiring LMAO
Rear suspension is smooth and doesn't kick like conventional suspensions.
Pretty cool to you realize the front forks/suspension is a meager little mountain bike setup.....first time you case that front-end you're going over the bars for sure....
You're tripping those front stantions are probably close to 45mm with 200mm of travel. Most high end full supension bikes (used for trails not downhill) run 120-150mm of travel lol that is 100% dirtbike suspension if anything EXTREMELY nice downhill forks not to mention theyre inverted..
@@CartaIV Downhill mountain bikes usually use 200mm travel forks
Looking forward to seeing them in stock so I can pick one up. With my size the sur ron was just a bit on the small side. This should be perfect!
Yea this is one size up!
10k.....
Surron is releasing the ultra which is bigger version on the superbee which should be the same size as this.
@@Slippzy I just ordered 20 of them. I am going to sell them at $6K if you are interested.
massage me if you are interested in buying one. I am taking orders
Just because you don’t need to make it more powerful you being Jack probably should make it more powerful
You already know.
I hope to eventually see this thing become unrealistically fast lol
Looks 10x cooler than a sur
I want more tractor content. You always make good videos.
I'm working on it!
In the UK there are INCH-PERFECT-TRIALS that use the New Electric TRIALS bikes and they are Brilliant, You can get 1 with an Clutch so when you Need to Rev the Motor [WITHOUT TAKING OFF] You can Hold in the Clutch Rev the Motor and release the Clutch to JUMP up obstacles. E-MOTION i think the Manufacturer is in Europe. The Best E-BIKE i have seen yet [Like an SURRON/TALARIA] Is the E-RIDE-PRO SS,As it has already got EVERYTHING you would put on a Standard Surron 60V.
Awesome song, where did you get it?
So do you put playing cards in the spokes to try to mimic a motorcycle like sound ?
Controller and battery upgrade should allow permanent rocket mode. Battery probably cant keep up for extended periods of time.
I get that rocket mode lasting a few seconds is a precaution so the motor or battery doesn't get burnt out or the rider doesn't hurt themselves but i feel like they should've let it last a bit longer. Since they was able to program it to do that then i assume the curious and savvy person can undo that restriction.
The tortoise mode seemed pretty useless but other than that it looks like a lot of fun. I would love to get one someday.
Hey Jack what is that music in the beginning. I've been looking for that style like the song opium. Thanks big fan from way back. Good to see your still producing content
I’d like to know too!
The bike looks great and seems to rip, but when I hear it kills a SURRON it make me wonder. Surron is a brand name, so what Surron model is it being compared to? SURRON has the Light bee, Light bee X, Ultra bee and Storm bee on the market.
It's a good thing I made a quick video scan. I though this video is about the bike specially how it performs. But you attached the cam to your body and what I will be watching is where your going not the bike.. Someone should be taking the video and do a panning or use a drone.
Get a used dirt bike on the marketplace And have a buddy that's a good welder weld a bracket for your 72v mid drive motor and the hardest part is done ✅ after that get a controller and battery based on what your needs are Also replacement parts will always be available. Always! If a ebike company shuts down. Good luck finding replacement parts( seriously 😂).But this is a nice bike plus side is it's an Apollo those parts will always be around ( Honda clone parts probably!) 😂
I think for proper testing of this bike it should be tested in different climates. Ohio would be an excellent test site. I would be more than happy to do one of those tests. Lol.
then buy one
Only in ohio
opening edit is 🔥🔥🔥🔥.SPUNK!
You should do a comparison on a track with a surron
yes for sure!
Jack you rock! Love the channel and content! Love that bike must be nice because you said it was better than a SurRon! Peace
After seeing multiple vids of Ebikes catching fire.
I believe if they can make the bike's with a quick battery release system so if there is a fire, you can kick a lever and allow the battery to unplug and drop too the ground.
Saving the bike from damage.
They make the Sur ron ultra bee now and storm bee for full size.
When you said little on the dinky side the horse in the background agreed 😂
Since you have superbee wish you would park next to this for size comparison. Also surron releasing superbee ultra which should be similar in size.
Ps. Man your property is dope as hell! I love all the Kei trucks you have!!!
light bee is around 15-20% smaller. the ultra bee is around 15-20% larger. so this bike fits in between.
Ultra bee is 187 lbs so much heavier
If the seat and plastics were a bit lower down from the bars it'd be good to stunt but you could get smaller forks and get wider smaller tyres to build a freestyle street stunt bike build aswell
Sorry, you spoke about the rear brake calipers, and displayed the Disk roader instead?
Does it make the horse noise every time you turn the key on 6:08? Pretty cool feature
Yeah that's boss
This one looks super nice and with some good power behind it, would love to see you hack this one to unlock it's full potential, like getting it to stay in rocket mode all the time and unlocking the speed limiter , I think it would take it to another level specially being a 100lb bike 👍👍
For sure! I'm working on it!
You've got that right! Very well said.
For 10k you can get something way more fun than one of these
@@mrobertson188 He said same price as a surron, so I'm assuming 4-5k
nice but can u ride it like the sur ron every where, with this optic, i dont think so
When is this going in the market 😍???
I think this is def the future. And I'm a huge dirt bike guy. But I've ridden an electric bike. They are amazing. It's just longevity. What's funny is the could make an X version of electric bike. But the keep making them for crazy performance. If they designed a Bike to be electric, but more in the 225lb range rather than the 150-175 range. they would get the longevity that guys like myself are looking for. 3.5-4hrs. I would consider it then.
Are they any charging station on the trail?
Give me 450-600 power a traditional gear shifter at the left foot and a clutch and 5 speed...
On a dirt bike frame and I'd want one.
Omg, that Song is Bangin!
Who is that?
How does this compare to the KTM electric bike?
I love watching Jack's channel because he's got the coolest "toys" on TH-cam..
I heard you mention that it's made by "Apollo". Is that the same Apollo that makes the scooters?
What's the name of the manufacturer and where can I find this bike?
RFN APPOLO basée au Japon .
TLDW (Too Long, Didn't Watch) version: From Apollo. 120 lbs (he says 115 - 120 lbs, makes me wonder if he actually put it on the scale). 12kw rated (Surron 5kw). 72v (Surron 60v). Price = same as Surron. Rear tire 18", front 19".
I'm skeptical about the thing, since it's a pre-release version. What will the price actually be? Weight? This thing is slightly bigger and has wider tires and a hotter engine/battery, hmmmm, I'll believe the weight when I see it scale verified. Range is questionable. Tortoise mode gives 2 hours, supposedly; rabbit mode (supposedly feels like 5kw Surron) is next mode up and ostensibly gives less time.
I'm excited by the thing but want to see the real specs.
Came to say, worst product description pitch ever. He mentioned Surron so many times and not once gave full name of this model
@@northernadventurer160 Yup, definitely not impressed with the presentation. In his other video he says the price is $5-6000, which is not the same as Surron. So, there are lots of things being glossed over.
Make rocket mode is like my 750watt bagang mid drive motor difference is it doesn't cut out after 10 seconds it didn't cost me more than £800 including the battery and I got to choose the bike i put it on .these thing's cost way way way too much
I want one for the street headlights and tail light brake light switch
Range is effectively 40 miles. The Surron storm bee is double for less. Price is about 8.5k and goes to 75-80 mph. Id like to see some mods on that.
It will not get 40 miles on fast off road riding, not will the Ultra bee get 80!
Looks great! I had to watch the video twice to hear who makes it though.
Now I have to see if you have any more videos on it... Apollo you say? RFN is the model? Must google that!
Been a fan for few years now. No hate but curious if you still want to post car content? Been watching long enough to understand you post based on what you want, not for views or money...just would love a car update. Either way love your channel
Yea of course there will be plenty of car stuff. Thanks for watching
Looks like mtb brakes and suspensions which I’m very worried about with a bike way heavier than a Surron…
its a mid bike looks cool asf i bought a pit bike emptied out gonna make it electric fast enough for highways
Love my Cake bike 💕
Look up sur ronster on TH-cam because he’s all about the modded up electric bikes, full size step through electric scooters and full size electric dirt bikes and pit bikes as well to
Yes i talk to him. He's a cool dude!
Man i cant wait to put on a pedal kit on that thing.
You should have the name of the bike somewhere in the title or description at least.
Exactly how do we know what it even is?
Suspension?
What forks?
What rear shock?
I will stick to my sur ron. 72v chi battery with the new x9000 controller.
How you liking that x9000?
Where can you purchase one , nice video good job 👏 👍
bet the price will still be more than its worth
Wish I could afford one
I would say if it only weighs a mere 120 lbs, it is not much bigger than a Surron. My black Terminator is much smoother riding and it keeps up with traffic real easy here in Metro Detroit. Itis an Enduro, made for both on and off roadd....looks 2x better too
You have to remember the surroundings like a bicycle would let you get away with a lot more looks like a full on dirtbike. You might as well buy a dirtbike.👀
Apollo Has impressed me with their Pitbikes and now with this! Do you know if the speeds can be changed on the fly while moving? or does the bike need to be stopped?
I would love to test this bike in the mountain trails in WV.
Ditto. HMT Mullens to Pineville in rabbit mode.
looks like the guy on mib where his head grows back
If you hacked the software and could keep it in rocket mode all the time you would have squat for range, it will eat up the battery reserves and likely overheat the motor and or controller... theres a reason why they limit it.. but sure looks fun!
Surron looks and sounds much better for me. Greetings from bavaria
Could you please tell me how I can become a tester for products like this? I've tried but can't seem to figure it out man.
I'm pissed. I bought this same bike and I don't get the horse sounds when I power it on. @06:08 Did you have to unlock that feature?
Looks like the Ultra Bee has some competition. Not really sure on all the stats but these bikes look nice. Any idea on the pricing?
You should look up the TH-camr sur ronster on TH-cam because he’s also got some great content like jack
Yea it's an interesting comparison. The ultra bee should be faster out of the box, but the Apollo is around 50lbs lighter, so with some tweaking it could be quicker. Price is also about 1k cheaper than the ultra bee
I’ve seen them but dam I didn’t know 👍🔥
I do the E bike thing. I always say...."it's fast but not Motor Cycle Fast. Once owner of a '85 CR 500. Now I got a Delfast and a Stealth Bomber. Worse dirt bike ever made...the '79 Honda Elsinore, yep! that too....
looks f'in sick - a long way from getting me off my 500 though
I love it I'd like to be in rocket mode all the time
Free bowl of cereal when you lift the lid off the speedo.
Hope fully it's cheaper then a sue Ron and I'd buy one right now
Are you in USA?
Yeah
I've tried to look it up but can't find it
@Five Nines Fine I will be selling them for $6k. What part of USA are you in?
Definitely looks good surron is small I’m interested in this what’s the price?
I am selling them for $6k. Just got a shipment show up in the Los Angeles
Maybe it’s better than a surron but it’s definitely not cheaper 😂10k is ridiculous
what if you drive it to work and back 351 times a year?
Is this size comparable to the Talaria
How does this bike not exist on the internet? Searched all over and can’t find it😮
man, i really wanna jump on the electric bandwagon here because of weight and instant torque. but until they are similar in price AND POWER ima take the cheaper faster option. but damn if they arent coming along fast
Yes, but can you do a pirouette or a Piaffe at K in the dressage arena lol. Pretty cool toy
When can we see you doing backflips?
My yz 250f is just as lite and it's made by Apollo last time a had a Apollo it broke in the 1 week
FOOT BRAKE, I'll say it again FOOT BRAKE
When is this one coming out?
who makes this? is there a website?
To me that's looks like the slowest on yet and that fact you can't keep it in rocket mode is a red flag
After the whole video i dident catch the brand name?
jack thanks for the video but what do you think of RFN quality wise because there regrlar motor dirt bikes a cheaply made. but can you get that to stay on rocket mode more than ten seconds. plus they are a bit pricey. I have the rawrr mantis and am happy with it super well made quality wise. what do you think of the RFN compared to the surron ultra bee ?? h
How is the handling on the RFN ?? good video thoiugh informative im sure you have had alot more time to check it outt curious on the thoughts on the bike since this video.
Oh man I really wanna come by your shop to check this thing out can you lmk if that’s possible? I want t9 buy one I got rid of my surron and got a grom but I miss the surron
Thanks for posting. REALLY looking forward to info on potential upgrades/tuning (especially info in additional cooling/thermal control for the motor & controller which might be needed to stay in "rocket" mode). How did you order this bike? Is there a USA distributor yet?
What is the bike called? What’s the make? 😊
It’s an Apollo. I don’t think he said the model but I’m guessing the RFN like the stickers show. Maybe that’s a shortened form of “Ruffian” 🤷🏻♂️
RFN Rally Pro
Nice but what happens when it sets on fire 👍
eat it? attempt to do the intercourse in it's smokin hawt holes? inhale the smoke till ya feel kinda funny? Dress it up nice and take it to an adult bookstore?
🤣🤣🤣
Would really would happen tho if you have the BMS fail while riding the bike (vs not using the bike so battery is removed & in a fireproof lipo bag on the charger in storage) & for some reason the cell ignited; common sense says put it out and order a new battery. tf else? 😂
As someone who's been a professional mechanic for 10ish years; traditional bikes/vehicles have wayyyyy more potential points of failure/things that can catch on fire compared to an EV and even have the same type of batteries EV's use for 12v accessory power with the same level of risk of chemically igniting (in just about every car made after 2015/16). Also they usually not easy to remove quickly or easily get whatever type of fire retardant on either or have active BMS to monitor the cells or alert/stop/prevent the cells from chemically igniting. TBH ya got 100x reasons to be worried about a traditional IC vehicle going up in flames vs an EV. For every 1600 vehicles that catch fire; only 4 of em are electric based on data from 2021 🤠
This is the beta explorer
Great reviews on it
Beta rebranded rfn
And would you recommend this over a surron cause that’s what I was gonna get
Yes. Hands down this is a better bike all around.
I will be getting one of those
Are you in USA?
This is ARES RALLY PRO, priced at $6k...max speed is 45 mph..for 74v?!
This is an updated version. Speed is limited. It can go much faster.
@@JackCecil So, can some wire be cut and unlocked the true speed like Sur ron? What about the price? If its that high, then its not better.
Real, motorcycle way better for the price
Ren. They got lextra n other china brands to. Egl rps
Where do you buy this bike?