@@chadblueone2 2 isn't bad. That's a pretty typical season nowadays and it only gets tougher and tougher every single season to get more scorigamis. Eventually we just won't get any and seeing one happen will be a once-per-decade occurrence. In order to prevent this, there would have to be a major change in the NFL's rules, like changing a pick-6 to only be worth 5 points or something crazy.
I love how you tie current/recent events together with past events to help educate fans about the history of football. This has quickly become one of my favorite TH-cam channels.
Rich B. (Raiders interim HC) was hinting to the Chargers that they're going for a tie but Brandon Staley - being a competitor - didn't get the memo and unwisely called a timeout. Fate was SEALED 🤦🏾♂️
I love these playoff drama videos, you should do a video about the 1999 playoff chase between the Seahawks, Dolphins and Chiefs, or 2002 had a dramatic playoff chase between the Giants, Falcons and Saints in the nfc and in the afc between the Colts, Jets, Browns, Patriots, Broncos, Dolphins, Chargers and Chiefs.
Or the last game of the 1999 season where net point differential was a possible tiebreaker and the Packers and the Panthers had to run the score up on their opponents
I almost always root for a tie when a game goes to overtime. I just like to see unusual things happening. (I think the current regular season overtime is actually really good.)
@@darrellmayberry7784 I'd like to see ot extended to 15 minutes actually just like any other quarter Also each team gets minimum 1 possession with the football
I think if you're defense can't stop a touchdown, you deserve to loose. 15 min was in effect for years, but they dropped it to 10 a few years ago, and I think it works well.
In regards to the Chargers and Raiders this season, at least we won't have this drama play out. Chargers are already in while the Raiders will most certainly miss the playoffs.
Now we play the waiting game for when the 12th and final tiebreaker between two teams has to be used for the first time in NFL history - the almighty coin flip! *😈*
One of the many stories of 1996 was the Jaguars and Panthers, in their second year, not only making the playoffs, but winning and making it to their respective conference championship games JAX Went to Buffalo & beat the Bills Went to Denver & beat the AFC-1 Broncos Went to Foxboro, played a close game vs the Patriots, but they pulled away late with a scoop & score CAR Won the NFC West & was the NFC-2 Beat the defending champion Cowboys Went to Green Bay for the NFC Champ, lost to the eventual Super Bowl champions
Dude. The description of why players hate tying was absolutely perfect. I’ve never heard that one before. “Like kissing your sister” 😂 like - to a disinterested third party that may sound like a small price to pay for a chance to get to the postseason but it’s gonna gross you out and never leave your mind for the rest of your life or career as the person being asked to do that. That was legit a perfect analogy
I wish I could remember the baseball manager who said something close to, "If a tie is like kissing your sister, losing is like kissing your ugly aunt."
This channel does a great job of revisiting those quirky situations that were hot topics in the moment but have been long consigned to the archives. The 1996 Chiefs-Bills scenario stands as unique since a tie would have been equally beneficial to both teams. On the final day of the 1977 NFL regular season, the Chicago Bears needed a win over the New York Giants to gain their first playoff berth since 1963. The Bears had to win; a tie would have eliminated them. The Giants had a losing record and were out of the race. Because of a big sleet storm in the greater New York City area, the turf at Giants Stadium waa pretty much an ice rink. The score was 9-9 at the end of the fourth quarter. In the overtime period, it was obvious the Giants were perfectly willing to settle for the tie because of the conditions. They were assured of a losing season and they would be fulfilling their roles as spoilers because a tie would keep the Bears out of the playoffs. But Walter Payton found footing for a run that put the Bears in field goal range, and the field goal went through with nine seconds remaining in overtime. The Bears won 12-9.
Michael I remember that game and the team eliminated by the Bob Thomas field goal was the Redskins who let Coach George Allen go after that game and he was replaced by Jack Pardee who was the Bears coach when they won that icy game to advance to the playoffs where they were crushed by Dallas.
@@darrellmayberry7784 As a sports writer for a medium sized Texas daily newspaper back then, I covered Dallas Cowboys home games. I saw the second half of that Bears-Giants game on the little black-and-white TV that was in front of each writer in the press box at Texas Stadium. The Cowboys then beat the Denver Broncos 14-6 in a game that was meaningless to the playoffs but proved to be a precursor to the Super Bowl XII matchup four weeks later. The next week I covered the Cowboys' 37-7 victory over the Bears in the division round of the playoffs.
I was living in Erie PA during that Chiefs-Bills game in 1996. That game got blacked out in Buffalo which meant Erie was also affected, if it was a Sellout it might have actually received priority over the Steelers since the Steelers were already locked into their seed before their Week 17 game.
Rochester, N.Y., Hamilton, Ont. and Toronto were also likely affected by this blackout. Even with renovations reducing then-Rich Stadium's capacity to less than 74K, filling that stadium was always gonna be a challenge even back then. How often did the Bills receive priority over the Steelers in Erie back in those days?
@@marcus813 Mainly just if the Bills were away and that was the NFL requirement. Sold out Bills home games usually only aired if there wasn't a conflict with the Steelers and later on Browns.
I remember the game quite clearly, but the news surrounding it, has faded. I didnt know any of this. I remember after the game ended, the Chiefs were not quite eliminated. There was a FG attempt in the Jaguars game that NBC moved to, that ended up being the deciding event. It felt like being eliminated twice.
As it turns out, the red flag of facing a hot Jags team was DEFINITELY warranted. They beat the Broncos who had an NFL-best regular season record and should have beat my Patriots team except for making more unforced errors than New England in the AFC championship. (It was a terribly-played game all around.)
@@samuraibeastwarrior2886 Ok. Congrats. That's kind of my point, that the Jags could have easily won the AFC championship and may have put up a better fight in the SB.
Allegiant Stadium since it has opened has had an extraordinary amount of Overtime games, Not only in the NFL, but in UNLV football games and in Soccer.
Just think: if the Jags don't make the playoffs that year, the Broncos probably don't get bounced in the divisional round, then maybe they win the AFC Championship and face Green Bay in the Super Bowl a year early.
This is almost basically the NFL version of what happened in the 1982 World Cup in which Germany & Austria would both go through to the next round if they tied. Unlike this, Germany & Austria were 100% fully aware that a tie would be enough to go through with both teams scoring a goal in the first 5 minutes and then intentionally & lazily passing the ball among themselves without going at their opponents for 80 minutes (with fans absolutely booing the heck out of both teams) until the referee blew his whistle. Algeria (who famously beat Germany 2-1 in the first game of group play) were absolutely livid by this because the result eliminated them from the tournament even though they had won their final group stage match over Chile the day before. Because of the massive controversy surrounding this, FIFA mandated for all future World Cups that the final games of the group stage be played at the same time so that teams would not intentionally play for the tie especially if they knew beforehand that a result like that would get them through. As for how Germany & Austria did once they reached the 2nd round, Austria got absolutely smacked while Germany made the Final but not before creating more controversy thanks to keeper Toni Schumacher's absolutely violent foul on France's Patice Battison in the semifinal that went unpunished. Germany would lose that World Cup final to Italy 3-1.
soccer is a very different sport though. its much more likely that trying to win in soccer would end up with you actually loosing than it is in football.
I don't think it would be possible for teams to purposely play for a tie unless the game is already tied late like in the case of the Raiders and Chargers game. Imagine the coaches telling their very competitive players before the game that they have to tie. There are too many moving parts, too many egos and too many things that could go wrong in the pursuit of a tie.
Good thing for the Chiefs long term that they didn't tie. They were going nowhere with Bono, and wouldn't have been able to draft Tony Gonzalez in the 1997 draft. They were hungry in 1997, and were one bad call against Tony Gonzalez from going to the AFC Championship Game.
I'm actually glad I saw a tie in college football before overtime happened, but yeah, it'd be a bummer to put up with one in the pros, with (scoreless) overtime and all, except for novelty value.
The greatest tie I watched was a Monday Night Game in October 1973 between the Raiders and Broncos in Denver. It was orange Monday and the crowd was college like wearing all orange and loud. The Raiders took a 23-20 lead quieting the crowd until Broncos QB Charley Johnson drove them down the field and led them to a tying field goal with seconds left by Jim Turner. The crowd went crazy after the tying field goal and Broncos coach John Ralston acted like he won the Super Bowl and Howard Cosell acted like the Broncos had won the Super Bowl as well and for good reason it would be the first time the Broncos had not lost the Raiders at home in its history and even though that was almost 50 years ago that tie I remember clearly and that was a great game.
This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about a 1992 playoff scenario in which you argued it would have been better for Washington if they lost their final game.
Oddest? Wasn’t the “If we tie, we both get into the Playoffs” a scenario for L.A. Chargers @ Las Vegas Raiders in Week 18 of *_last year_* on NBC’s _Sunday Night Football_ , due to the Colts losing to the Jaguars, but the Steelers beating the Ravens earlier that day? *🤔*
@@doughy_ Yeah, I did. I was just questioning the choice of calling the ’96 Buffalo/K.C. the *oddest* playoff scenario when clearly last year’s example was equally as odd at least, if not moreso, due to that game going to OT and Vegas kicking literally a last-second field goal to win and avoid a tie that would’ve put both them and the Chargers in and kicked the Steelers out.
This was the first game I attended. Just remember thinking it was a de facto playoff game. Jags were out of Morton Anderson makes a chipshot. Even back then the Patriots were luckboxes (Denver owned them).
I remember last year this Steelers fna was dman near losing it toward the end of thr Chargers-Raiders and I said "at elats someone had the moral to try to win" and he said "Thank God!"
NFL teams never play for ties. It’s not like hockey or soccer where teams can earn a point in the standings with a tie. (Although the NHL eliminated ties in 2005.)
There may not have been any incentive for Vegas, but there was a major incentive for the Chargers to play for the tie, since they would be eliminated with the loss. Chargers HC Staley calling that late time out giving the Raiders the opportunity to kick that game winning field goal remains one of the stupidest boneheaded errors in coaching history.
At least for 2021, the reason for the Chargers and Raiders to make it over Pittsburgh made sense, since both LA and LV had head to head over Pittsburgh
im from the bay area and have a military friend from san diego who liked the chargers until they moved. even though i ribbed him every week the chargers do well, he scoffs at the chargers.... until i told him about this game (as he doesn't really follow football now)... he was with me, we wanted to see a tie.... when the raiders broke that huge run in overtime.... we were both dejected i think i was more crushed that this game didnt end in a tie than i was the giants losing game 7 of the 2002 world series
The Raiders would be in playoff contention this season had not been for the stupid penalty against the Rams that gave them extra yards to win the game. Thanks a lot Jerry Tillery.
It is a prisoner's dilemma. If you both take a knee, you both win, but if either side plays to win, then only one of you wins. You both would be better off playing for a tie, but you can't trust the other team, so you play to win that game, even though playing to win that game is wrong in a vacuum. There is also the entertainment factor. I'm sure if both teams didn't even try, then an otherwise play pseudo-play in game amounts to nothing, and you'd probably have a lot of fans complaining. It might even violate some kind of ethics/fair play issue. Is the commissioner powerful enough to, if he so chooses, eliminate both teams from the playoffs if two teams tried this?
I don't like the middle ground that it currently is. I either want to eliminate regular season overtime entirely and just call it a tie, or, go back to 15 minutes, and change it so both teams get a possession even if the coinflip winner gets a touchdown. Whoever wins the coinflip has way too much of an advantage. It's been a problem for a long time, and I wish they would address it.
mr head the reason why the do that is for safety reasons as teams that play overtime late on Sunday may have to play a Thursday Night game four days later so they cut the OT to 10 minutes. I do not like Thursday Night games as most of them are bad and they should make them rare and that the teams has to be on bye the Sunday before the Thursday Night game and having the season opener on Thursday Night is fine.
I disagree only because this game, in theory, gave either team a chance to find their mojo with a win and potentially go into the playoffs hot. In the end, it didn't pay off. Good analysis, though. I'd completely forgotten about this.
As Mr Donald rumsfeld said "there are known knowns, these are things we know we know, then there are known unknowns, that is to say, there are things we know we don't know,, I think sums this video up about playing the jags perfectly, don't you
Raiders were the 5 seed and saved the Bengals. Patriots who were already locked in after beating Jacksonville dropped to the 6 seed. Steelers snuck in as the 7.
2:30 that makes LITERALLY no sense… they STILL lost to the bengals who were the best team in the afc… clearly it made NO difference what seed they were…
Nice video, but your logic is insane lol. Nobody in Buffalo wanted a tie, we all wanted the Jaguars, if not, the Colts were fine too. Yea the Jags had "momentum" winning 5 in a row, but none of those teams had a winning record. Jim Kelly didn't play in either Colts game in 96. The Bills swept the Colts with Kelly under center in 95 and were 9-2 against Indy in the 90's when Kelly played.
This should have been a dumb decision video. Bills winning. If you both know you get in with a tie just fucking tie. It's not that hard. It's the same thing with people saying "tank the season".
The worst thing about the Raiders/Chargers not ending in a tie: 32-32 would have been a Scorigami.
Only 2 scorigamis this year 😢
Who care
@@ooooo524 I care lol that’s why I said it clearly they do too 🤷🏽♂️
@@chadblueone2 2 isn't bad. That's a pretty typical season nowadays and it only gets tougher and tougher every single season to get more scorigamis. Eventually we just won't get any and seeing one happen will be a once-per-decade occurrence. In order to prevent this, there would have to be a major change in the NFL's rules, like changing a pick-6 to only be worth 5 points or something crazy.
@@chadblueone2there have been 3
I love how you tie current/recent events together with past events to help educate fans about the history of football. This has quickly become one of my favorite TH-cam channels.
Correction. Raiders were 5 seed with the win facing the #4 seed Bengals. Bills were the #3 seed.
"You play to tie the game! Hello?" said no coach, ever.
Except for Ara Parseghian. He did play for a tie once.
@@johncate9541 Against Bubba Smith's Sparty in 1966.
Rich B. (Raiders interim HC) was hinting to the Chargers that they're going for a tie but Brandon Staley - being a competitor - didn't get the memo and unwisely called a timeout.
Fate was SEALED 🤦🏾♂️
I love these playoff drama videos, you should do a video about the 1999 playoff chase between the Seahawks, Dolphins and Chiefs, or 2002 had a dramatic playoff chase between the Giants, Falcons and Saints in the nfc and in the afc between the Colts, Jets, Browns, Patriots, Broncos, Dolphins, Chargers and Chiefs.
Or the last game of the 1999 season where net point differential was a possible tiebreaker and the Packers and the Panthers had to run the score up on their opponents
@@garydizzine I totally forgot about that
I almost always root for a tie when a game goes to overtime. I just like to see unusual things happening.
(I think the current regular season overtime is actually really good.)
Justin Rodgers me too
@@darrellmayberry7784 I'd like to see ot extended to 15 minutes actually just like any other quarter
Also each team gets minimum 1 possession with the football
Nah i dont like regular season ties
They're very rare. I don't think it's a problem. (Just my opinion of course.)
I think if you're defense can't stop a touchdown, you deserve to loose. 15 min was in effect for years, but they dropped it to 10 a few years ago, and I think it works well.
In regards to the Chargers and Raiders this season, at least we won't have this drama play out. Chargers are already in while the Raiders will most certainly miss the playoffs.
Now we play the waiting game for when the 12th and final tiebreaker between two teams has to be used for the first time in NFL history - the almighty coin flip! *😈*
Fire McDaniel
@@lamontbradford4630 Indy needs to get rid of Jeff Saturday.
@@a.grimes4202 They will fire Saturday on Sunday, or maybe Monday. Or Tuesday.
@@forestgeorge8855 Well whatever the case may be, he’s proven he isn’t capable of coaching ANY day of the week.
In 1996, "No one circles the wagons, like the Jacksonville Jaguars!"
One of the many stories of 1996 was the Jaguars and Panthers, in their second year, not only making the playoffs, but winning and making it to their respective conference championship games
JAX
Went to Buffalo & beat the Bills
Went to Denver & beat the AFC-1 Broncos
Went to Foxboro, played a close game vs the Patriots, but they pulled away late with a scoop & score
CAR
Won the NFC West & was the NFC-2
Beat the defending champion Cowboys
Went to Green Bay for the NFC Champ, lost to the eventual Super Bowl champions
So if they tie they both get into the playoffs? Crazy how both teams would have seen post season play if they just spiked the ball on every down.
“If we tie, we both make it”
Raiders and Chargers: hmm
Dude. The description of why players hate tying was absolutely perfect. I’ve never heard that one before. “Like kissing your sister” 😂 like - to a disinterested third party that may sound like a small price to pay for a chance to get to the postseason but it’s gonna gross you out and never leave your mind for the rest of your life or career as the person being asked to do that. That was legit a perfect analogy
JG9 tells stories like Mark Twain told stories.
I wish I could remember the baseball manager who said something close to, "If a tie is like kissing your sister, losing is like kissing your ugly aunt."
Love ur vids keep up the good work
This channel does a great job of revisiting those quirky situations that were hot topics in the moment but have been long consigned to the archives. The 1996 Chiefs-Bills scenario stands as unique since a tie would have been equally beneficial to both teams. On the final day of the 1977 NFL regular season, the Chicago Bears needed a win over the New York Giants to gain their first playoff berth since 1963. The Bears had to win; a tie would have eliminated them. The Giants had a losing record and were out of the race. Because of a big sleet storm in the greater New York City area, the turf at Giants Stadium waa pretty much an ice rink. The score was 9-9 at the end of the fourth quarter. In the overtime period, it was obvious the Giants were perfectly willing to settle for the tie because of the conditions. They were assured of a losing season and they would be fulfilling their roles as spoilers because a tie would keep the Bears out of the playoffs. But Walter Payton found footing for a run that put the Bears in field goal range, and the field goal went through with nine seconds remaining in overtime. The Bears won 12-9.
Michael I remember that game and the team eliminated by the Bob Thomas field goal was the Redskins who let Coach George Allen go after that game and he was replaced by Jack Pardee who was the Bears coach when they won that icy game to advance to the playoffs where they were crushed by Dallas.
@@darrellmayberry7784 As a sports writer for a medium sized Texas daily newspaper back then, I covered Dallas Cowboys home games. I saw the second half of that Bears-Giants game on the little black-and-white TV that was in front of each writer in the press box at Texas Stadium. The Cowboys then beat the Denver Broncos 14-6 in a game that was meaningless to the playoffs but proved to be a precursor to the Super Bowl XII matchup four weeks later. The next week I covered the Cowboys' 37-7 victory over the Bears in the division round of the playoffs.
Excellent work! I remember this season and it was Jim Kelly’s last season.
And Kent Hall's last season rest in peace Bills lost to the Jaguars
Can you do a video on why some teams kept grass , browns for instance, while other went to turf in the 70s?
I was living in Erie PA during that Chiefs-Bills game in 1996. That game got blacked out in Buffalo which meant Erie was also affected, if it was a Sellout it might have actually received priority over the Steelers since the Steelers were already locked into their seed before their Week 17 game.
Rochester, N.Y., Hamilton, Ont. and Toronto were also likely affected by this blackout. Even with renovations reducing then-Rich Stadium's capacity to less than 74K, filling that stadium was always gonna be a challenge even back then. How often did the Bills receive priority over the Steelers in Erie back in those days?
@@marcus813 Mainly just if the Bills were away and that was the NFL requirement. Sold out Bills home games usually only aired if there wasn't a conflict with the Steelers and later on Browns.
I remember the game quite clearly, but the news surrounding it, has faded. I didnt know any of this. I remember after the game ended, the Chiefs were not quite eliminated. There was a FG attempt in the Jaguars game that NBC moved to, that ended up being the deciding event. It felt like being eliminated twice.
As it turns out, the red flag of facing a hot Jags team was DEFINITELY warranted. They beat the Broncos who had an NFL-best regular season record and should have beat my Patriots team except for making more unforced errors than New England in the AFC championship. (It was a terribly-played game all around.)
My Packers beat your Patriots that season in the super bowl
@@samuraibeastwarrior2886 And would have lost to the Jags
@@drewdixon5556 who
@@drewdixon5556 not Green Bay
@@samuraibeastwarrior2886 Ok. Congrats. That's kind of my point, that the Jags could have easily won the AFC championship and may have put up a better fight in the SB.
Good stuff as always.
Allegiant Stadium since it has opened has had an extraordinary amount of Overtime games, Not only in the NFL, but in UNLV football games and in Soccer.
Just think: if the Jags don't make the playoffs that year, the Broncos probably don't get bounced in the divisional round, then maybe they win the AFC Championship and face Green Bay in the Super Bowl a year early.
Steve Tasker would have been proud.
Steve Tasker is the only player I've ever to be ejected from his final game as a pro.
@@timfalch1969 indeed he was, fighting to the end! I'll never forget that. Lol They broke the mold with that guy.
I was about to ask about the Chargers vs. Raiders game when I saw the preview picture to this.
This is almost basically the NFL version of what happened in the 1982 World Cup in which Germany & Austria would both go through to the next round if they tied. Unlike this, Germany & Austria were 100% fully aware that a tie would be enough to go through with both teams scoring a goal in the first 5 minutes and then intentionally & lazily passing the ball among themselves without going at their opponents for 80 minutes (with fans absolutely booing the heck out of both teams) until the referee blew his whistle. Algeria (who famously beat Germany 2-1 in the first game of group play) were absolutely livid by this because the result eliminated them from the tournament even though they had won their final group stage match over Chile the day before. Because of the massive controversy surrounding this, FIFA mandated for all future World Cups that the final games of the group stage be played at the same time so that teams would not intentionally play for the tie especially if they knew beforehand that a result like that would get them through. As for how Germany & Austria did once they reached the 2nd round, Austria got absolutely smacked while Germany made the Final but not before creating more controversy thanks to keeper Toni Schumacher's absolutely violent foul on France's Patice Battison in the semifinal that went unpunished. Germany would lose that World Cup final to Italy 3-1.
soccer is a very different sport though. its much more likely that trying to win in soccer would end up with you actually loosing than it is in football.
I don't think it would be possible for teams to purposely play for a tie unless the game is already tied late like in the case of the Raiders and Chargers game. Imagine the coaches telling their very competitive players before the game that they have to tie. There are too many moving parts, too many egos and too many things that could go wrong in the pursuit of a tie.
Whats even more bizzarre about the LV vs Chargers match is that they located Darth Vaders Toilet AND played in it.
Good thing for the Chiefs long term that they didn't tie. They were going nowhere with Bono, and wouldn't have been able to draft Tony Gonzalez in the 1997 draft. They were hungry in 1997, and were one bad call against Tony Gonzalez from going to the AFC Championship Game.
Given that I follow the Jaguars on a secondary basis, I'm thankful that someone won in WNY that day! 😆
I still can not believe the Steelers were one time out away from missing the playoffs due to a tie.
Yep. Bisaccia was going to let the clock run out, but Staley wouldn't just take his ticket into the playoffs.
@@johncate9541 So in a way, the odd scenario did happen. It is just as if he said *"Screw it: I don't want to be part of a meme"*
I disagree. The raiders would of kicked the fg anyway. The timeout was to give the chargers a chance to win if the raiders missed it
The Chiefs beat the Bills on the road in the 1966 AFL championship game
Jim Kelly lost both his first and last game by 3 points. Any other quarterback with 10+ years experience say that?
Raiders became the 5th seed by winning week 18, if they tied the Chargers would’ve been 6th and Raiders would’ve been 7th.
I'm actually glad I saw a tie in college football before overtime happened, but yeah, it'd be a bummer to put up with one in the pros, with (scoreless) overtime and all, except for novelty value.
the bengals were the 4th seed in 2021, the bills were the 3rd seed
This aged well... Now we have an even more screwed up final week scenario
The greatest tie I watched was a Monday Night Game in October 1973 between the Raiders and Broncos in Denver. It was orange Monday and the crowd was college like wearing all orange and loud. The Raiders took a 23-20 lead quieting the crowd until Broncos QB Charley Johnson drove them down the field and led them to a tying field goal with seconds left by Jim Turner. The crowd went crazy after the tying field goal and Broncos coach John Ralston acted like he won the Super Bowl and Howard Cosell acted like the Broncos had won the Super Bowl as well and for good reason it would be the first time the Broncos had not lost the Raiders at home in its history and even though that was almost 50 years ago that tie I remember clearly and that was a great game.
This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about a 1992 playoff scenario in which you argued it would have been better for Washington if they lost their final game.
Oddest? Wasn’t the “If we tie, we both get into the Playoffs” a scenario for L.A. Chargers @ Las Vegas Raiders in Week 18 of *_last year_* on NBC’s _Sunday Night Football_ , due to the Colts losing to the Jaguars, but the Steelers beating the Ravens earlier that day? *🤔*
He literally talked about that at the start of the video!
did you even start the video
@@doughy_ Yeah, I did. I was just questioning the choice of calling the ’96 Buffalo/K.C. the *oddest* playoff scenario when clearly last year’s example was equally as odd at least, if not moreso, due to that game going to OT and Vegas kicking literally a last-second field goal to win and avoid a tie that would’ve put both them and the Chargers in and kicked the Steelers out.
@@BigTiger_99 Did you watch the rest of it though? Because clearly the example he talked about later was *not* more odd than last year.
I don't mind an occasional regular season tie
This was the first game I attended. Just remember thinking it was a de facto playoff game.
Jags were out of Morton Anderson makes a chipshot. Even back then the Patriots were luckboxes (Denver owned them).
This is one of the reasons why I hate the game of football. Stupid BS playoff scenarios like this.
I remember last year this Steelers fna was dman near losing it toward the end of thr Chargers-Raiders and I said "at elats someone had the moral to try to win" and he said "Thank God!"
Yeah. But what if both teams had spiked the ball on every play during this game? What then???
I mean technically it would have been a tie. A very very long tie, since the clock would stop ALL THE TIME
Actually, tying the game would’ve meant the Raiders drop to 7 from 5TH, not 6th. They were the 5th seed last season and played the #4 seed Bengals.
Lmao "They would rather play the Bengals than the Chiefs!!!"
How did that work out for you?
I hate ties. There's no point going through all that time and effort without a decisive outcome.
NFL teams never play for ties. It’s not like hockey or soccer where teams can earn a point in the standings with a tie. (Although the NHL eliminated ties in 2005.)
There may not have been any incentive for Vegas, but there was a major incentive for the Chargers to play for the tie, since they would be eliminated with the loss. Chargers HC Staley calling that late time out giving the Raiders the opportunity to kick that game winning field goal remains one of the stupidest boneheaded errors in coaching history.
At least for 2021, the reason for the Chargers and Raiders to make it over Pittsburgh made sense, since both LA and LV had head to head over Pittsburgh
I knoe as a steeler fan we were lucky to make postseason last year
Denver was hoping for a tie.
im from the bay area and have a military friend from san diego who liked the chargers until they moved. even though i ribbed him every week the chargers do well, he scoffs at the chargers.... until i told him about this game (as he doesn't really follow football now)... he was with me, we wanted to see a tie.... when the raiders broke that huge run in overtime.... we were both dejected
i think i was more crushed that this game didnt end in a tie than i was the giants losing game 7 of the 2002 world series
The Raiders would be in playoff contention this season had not been for the stupid penalty against the Rams that gave them extra yards to win the game. Thanks a lot Jerry Tillery.
It is a prisoner's dilemma. If you both take a knee, you both win, but if either side plays to win, then only one of you wins. You both would be better off playing for a tie, but you can't trust the other team, so you play to win that game, even though playing to win that game is wrong in a vacuum.
There is also the entertainment factor. I'm sure if both teams didn't even try, then an otherwise play pseudo-play in game amounts to nothing, and you'd probably have a lot of fans complaining. It might even violate some kind of ethics/fair play issue. Is the commissioner powerful enough to, if he so chooses, eliminate both teams from the playoffs if two teams tried this?
The NFL having 10 minute overtime is stupid ...why do they want more ties? It's dumb just go back to 15 minute overtime
Yeah, but I would keep it where a FG on first possession doesn't end game because FGs became easier to make.
I don't like the middle ground that it currently is. I either want to eliminate regular season overtime entirely and just call it a tie, or, go back to 15 minutes, and change it so both teams get a possession even if the coinflip winner gets a touchdown.
Whoever wins the coinflip has way too much of an advantage. It's been a problem for a long time, and I wish they would address it.
@@anewfuture They addressed it for Playoffs starting this season, where both teams get a possession even if first possession is a TD.
@@TheRealfan1 Oh, cool, I did not hear about this change. Thank you for the info.
mr head the reason why the do that is for safety reasons as teams that play overtime late on Sunday may have to play a Thursday Night game four days later so they cut the OT to 10 minutes. I do not like Thursday Night games as most of them are bad and they should make them rare and that the teams has to be on bye the Sunday before the Thursday Night game and having the season opener on Thursday Night is fine.
I disagree only because this game, in theory, gave either team a chance to find their mojo with a win and potentially go into the playoffs hot. In the end, it didn't pay off. Good analysis, though. I'd completely forgotten about this.
Tie and you're both in. That nearly happened at the end of the 2021/22 NFL Season. Staley shouldn't have used that timeout in Overtime.
I know but hey the Chargers may play the Bengals anyway this year if they finish sixth
Well now the Bengals also have the same feet as the Jaguars.
As Mr Donald rumsfeld said "there are known knowns, these are things we know we know, then there are known unknowns, that is to say, there are things we know we don't know,, I think sums this video up about playing the jags perfectly, don't you
So basically 2021 chargers at raiders 25 years prior?
Raiders were the 5 seed and saved the Bengals. Patriots who were already locked in after beating Jacksonville dropped to the 6 seed. Steelers snuck in as the 7.
And the Bills lost to the Jaguars and I remembered the show Coach made fun of us it was Jim Kelly and R.I.P.Kent Hall last year
Hmm…two teams that want to get in the playoffs by a tie at the expense of another team
Where have I seen this before?
The Raiders were the 5th seed. Patriots ended up being 6th seed and played Buffalo.
If Morten Andersen makes that field goal, the jags are 8-8 and the chiefs make the playoffs even with the loss to the bills
That raiders chargers game was great wish it was a tie
this whole scenario could have been avoided if the chiefs would have beaten the colts the week before
I'd unironically rather play the Chiefs than the Bengals if I were the Raiders.
As a bengals fan I would have rather played the raiders than the chargers anyway
Only reason they didn't tie is ig they felt bad for the jags? Only thing i can think of.
Wasn't that the same jaguars team that humiliated Marino in his final game?
No that was the 99 Jaguars
2:30 that makes LITERALLY no sense… they STILL lost to the bengals who were the best team in the afc… clearly it made NO difference what seed they were…
Nice video, but your logic is insane lol. Nobody in Buffalo wanted a tie, we all wanted the Jaguars, if not, the Colts were fine too. Yea the Jags had "momentum" winning 5 in a row, but none of those teams had a winning record. Jim Kelly didn't play in either Colts game in 96. The Bills swept the Colts with Kelly under center in 95 and were 9-2 against Indy in the 90's when Kelly played.
The Cincinnati Bengals were a 4 seed and would play the 5 seed not the 6 seed.
Better audio, please. Great content, but it is just hard to listen to.
If you're the sixth seed you get to play the lowly Bengals 5and5 no playoffs yeah yeah unfortunately they also went to the super bowl that year
Was the coin flip year?
the chargers coach made a dumb decision and it cost them a playoff
The chargers should have tied the dumb coach call a time time out
same scenario. see bolts/raiders 2021. except dumb bolts tried to win it so raiders decided to win it and knock bolts out and steelers got in.
This should have been a dumb decision video. Bills winning. If you both know you get in with a tie just fucking tie. It's not that hard. It's the same thing with people saying "tank the season".
The Raiders lost to the Bengals.
True, but on paper it looked like a better call. Plus the Chiefs made the AFC title game too, so they were a formidable foe.
@@TheSonicsean True. And it took OT to beat the Chiefs.
Please work on your speech impediment it's such a huge limiting factor for how good your videos could be