As a Seahawks fan I remember being frustrated that we missed the playoffs that year even though we beat the Oilers, who got in as the last wildcard. Under current tiebreaker scenarios the Seahawks would get in.
@@CTubeMan lol.... yeah, I had no idea Seattle and Houston had the same record with Seattle winning the head to head that year. Definitely a frustrating feeling for Seahawk fans
Something must have changed between then and 2002 Realignment because it should have been the Seahawks. Bengals over Oilers & Steelers due to H2H Bengals 3-1, Oilers 2-2 & Steelers 1-3. Oilers 2nd over Steelers based on 4-2 Division Record to 2-4. Should have been only Oilers & Seahawks for 3rd Wild Card and Seahawks won H2H.
I think they didn’t use the division tiebreaker to break the tie between Houston and Pittsburgh. This meant the tie was broken based on conference record between the three teams, which Houston won.
"I remember it was my sixth birthday. And my Browns were playing the Bengals. And my whole family was confused how the Bengals could get in the playoffs. And I was just like 'It's easy. The Bengals just need to win and have the Oilers win tonight to win the division.'" -LeBron James
yeah, sometimes I wonder if he had/has a job working in the NFL smithsonian museum or something!! Along with the videos, he's got newspaper articles to go along with it.
Great Video! One recommendation though would to speak a little more clearly and turn up you mic volume a smidge. But other then that 10/10 keep up the great work! :)
In the game between the Bengals and the Oilers which the Bengals won, the Bengals knocked out Warren Moon.That worked to the Bengals disadvantage since the Bengals needed the Oilers to beat the Steelers in the final week of the season. Consequently, the Oilers played the Steelers with their backup QB, Cody Carlson. Carlson played well against the Steelers in that game which knocked the Steelers out of the playoffs, and put the Bengals into the playoffs. Since the Bengals needed the Oilers to beat the Steelers in the Sunday Night ESPN game, ESPN had a reporter at Boomer Esaison's sports nightclub where Bengals' players watched the game, At the center of the group, Bengals' SS David Fulcher sat wearing a script Houston Oilers cap. After the game finished with the Oilers' victory, he promptly showed a set of garden shears which he used to cut the cap in two, The Bengals then played the Oilers the following week in Riverfront. The Bengals destroyed the Oilers in the game with a 41-14 score that wasn't even that close. The Bengals led 20-0 before the Oilers even had their first FIRST DOWN. That first down occurred inside the TWO MINUTE WARNING of the FIRST HALF. A potential second first down in the first half was negated due to a Houston penalty. The Bengals lead 27-0 before the Oilers got their second first down. The halftime show involved people throwing frisbees to dogs which is, in fairness, better than most Super Bowl halftime shows. The Dayton Daily News sports columnist who covered the game had a line like, "The Real Dogs Wore Blue Uniforms". I actually went to that playoff game with my parents, both who are now deceased, and my sister. It marked the last Bengals playoff victory until the Bengals beat the Las Vegas Raiders last year, 31 years later.
In all fairnes as a head coach all you can control is winning your game. We love Sam Wyche in Cincy. During that type the players would walk around with just a towel on and they was the start of women reporters in locker rooms. Even most of media at time agreed with him.
An interesting footnote is that the Sunday Night Football game completely changed 2 playoff slots. With the Oilers win, the Bengals won the division and the Oilers got the wild card spot. Had the Steelers won, the Steelers would have won the division and the Seahawks would have got the wild card spot. I don't think the NFL did flex scheduling back then, so if the Oilers - Steelers game was scheduled as the final Sunday night game at the beginning of the season, that's an incredible job by the NFL schedule makers.
Excellent video! I remember this season very well. Do you think the first year of the 3rd wild card, confused people. Also computers were not as widely used in 1990 as it is now. I remember how confusing it was back in the 20th century to figure out the playoffs
The 3rd Wild Card was introduced in 1990. Then in 2002 with Houston being added there were still 6 playoff teams, just that it was 4 Divisions. So the additional Wild Card did confuse the Bengals at least. The modern 3rd Wild Card was introduced in 2020, so I can't imagine being it as confusing.
Anything beats the current situation. When there were two division conferences, the regular season is the playoffs and East plays West. When there were three division conferences, I think one wild card made the most sense. Division winners would never have a losing record, and you do one wild card for equity. Picture this year’s Cowboys. Similarly with three divisions and two wild cards. That gives each division winner a bye, and lets the wild cards fight it out during that bye. Three divisions and three wild cards at least has some balance. The division winners will all have winning records, and there’s an incentive (no bye) to being a last place division champ. Four divisions has been a disaster, since you always seem to have some division champ with a shit losing record. But then to compound that with three wild cards? Four division winners and four wild cards (where I suspect we are going) is also ok. Then you have a traditional tournament, and no one can reasonably argue they were screwed.
Yea Cincy had a 5-1 division record while Houston had a 4-2 division record. Hell Cincy swept Pittsburgh earlier in the season so that would put them ahead regardless since Houston and Pittsburgh were fighting for that final playoff spot. I don't know what was so confusing about that at the time, lol.
Had the Steelers won in Houston on Monday night the Steelers would have won the division. The two losses to the Bengals eliminated the Steelers. In the 1970s the Steelers led the series against the Bengals. Starting in 1980, the Bengals swept the Steelers six times through 1990. The Bengals have exactly three season sweeps against the Steelets since then.
I remember this. And looking back, I can’t fault Wyche much for not knowing everything completely. He and his players needed to focus on the one thing they could actually control - beating Cleveland. He knew the Bengals had ways into the postseason but it’s not worth it for a coach or players to worry about what they can’t control.
Sorry, but I want my coach devoting his time to the game plan for the game he's actually involved in rather than trying to figure out tiebreakers involving teams he has no control over. I give Wyche a pass.
Why should Sam Wyche care about the things he couldn't control? All he could do to affect the outcome, other than maybe bribery or murder, was prepare to win the Bengals - Browns game. The rest was completely out of his hands.
The Bengals went out and did their job. Beat up on the Oilers where Warren Moon broke his finger at home. Then beat the down and out Browns to win the division. Then finally beat the Oilers up again without Moon in the wildcard. The one thing that always baffles me is how they just fell off a freaking cliff in 1991. How they got to 1-11 in the first 12 games ending at 3-13. How? How did they just go from a playoff team to suck within a year's time? Then sadly the Bengals just sucked being the Bungals all the way up until the 2005 season. Hell, they didn't even win a playoff game until last season in 2021.
Been a Bengals fan since 1987, and 1991 was our worst defense I've ever seen. Boomer also battled a shoulder injury all year combined with the fact the offensive line was banged up. Lost a few games because of kicking. Lost a few due to ref ball, including a near upset of the Redskins where they got bailed out by the tuck rule. It was really just one of those "what could go wrong, did" type of years.
I'm still convinced that Sam Wyche should have never been fired. The 1991 season was the first after Paul Brown's death, and the beginning of The Lost Decade.
solid video! i got sucked in cause bengals in the thumbnail. good info presented in an easy to follow way (though maybe yer mic/audio quality could be a bit better, but that's such a minor thing). sub'd and will be checking out some other videos.
Ironically the Oilers needed a further tiebreaker to get themselves in the playoffs, which did happen since they had a better conference record than Seattle or Pittsburgh. Not sure if their coach had to ask the reporters what they needed to do to make it though.
CIN 1990 final weekend scenario: CIN clinches the AFC Central title and the AFC’s #3 playoff seed with win + PIT loss CIN clinches an AFC Wild Card berth and the AFC’s #6 playoff seed with win + SEA loss/tie tie + HOU loss/tie + SEA loss
Wow, this wasn't even all that complicated. It's the pretty standard "if this then that" that we get every few years where a division is on the line in the final week and a team can be anything from the 2 seed to the 7
I'm actually going to give Wyche the benefit of the doubt here. Those comments in the paper suggest he knew the Bengals' scenario, but was a bit unclear on the Oilers' scenario. Because it's quite obvious from the divisional tiebreakers that as long as the Bengals won, the Steelers would be eliminated with a loss. So if Seattle had the tiebreaker over Houston--if the Seahawks would be the 6-seed regardless of if Pittsburgh or Cincinnati won the division as long as they won--that would be bad for the Bengals, because the night game between the Steelers and Oilers would be must-win for the Steelers only. If Houston had the tiebreaker--and with Cincinnati and Seattle wins in the day games, the scenarios for the 3 and 6 seeds would be Pittsburgh/Seattle with a Pittsburgh win and Cincinnati/ _Houston_ with a Houston win--that's much better. And that's what Wyche didn't know.
You should do a video on the final week 1989. The MNF game on Christmas between Cincinnati and Minnesota had the same scenario. Cincinnati wins they get the 4 seed and play Houston which would be 5, and Cincinnati beat Houston 61-7 the week before. Minnesota would be out and Pittsburgh would be out and Green Bay wins the NFC central at 10-6. Minnesota wins they win the division Green Bay is out, Pittsburgh is in at the 5 and Houston the 4 seed.
Better asking before the game about scenarios than discovering after the game you lost that, instead of clinching a playoff spot, you can be out by the end of 4pm games, like Ron Rivera and the Commanders
This reminds me of the 2019 Raiders where they went into week 17 with a really weird clinching scenario. Going in, the Titans were the 6th seed at 8-7, with the Steelers right behind at 8-7, and the Raiders the final team still in contention at 7-8. What the Raiders needed was as follows: Titans to lose to Texans Steelers to lose to the Ravens Raiders to win over the Broncos and weirdly, the 7-8 Colts (who were already eliminated from contention) to beat the also eliminated 5-10 Jaguars, AND a win by either the Bears, Lions, Chargers, or Patriots From what I understand, they had beat the Colts head to head, giving them that tie breaker. By the Colts winning, that would move the Colts above the Titans, and a win by the other 4 teams would mean the Raiders would have a higher strength-of-victory tiebreaker over the Steelers seeing as the Raiders beat the Bears & Lions, swept the Chargers, and the Steelers lost to the Patriots. Fittingly, none of these things played out and we missed out on one of the most confusing 6 seeds in NFL history
As a coach, it's best to not know the scenarios. Your job is to get the players to win the game and stay focused on that. Since they don't control their own destiny, it's pointless to really care and invest energy and time into that. Just do your part and wait for the final results to come in.
Based on the illustrations of combinations, there were three (3) specific scenarios in which Cincinnati gets into the playoffs, in general. However, we can simplify them down to just two (2) general scenarios. #1. CIN win + DET win (Outcome of PIT vs. HOU game would be irrelevant). #2. CIN win + SEA win + HOU win. Since #1 has less variables, CIN would have preferred that route.
I vaguely remember seeing video of some morning DJ in Cincinnati turning up at a Bengals press conference in drag to troll Sam Wyche after that media kerfuffle. It was pretty funny, though I'm sure it long gone now. Even Wyche was laughing, so it was pretty light.
Can you do Dumb Decisions on your college football channel for Jim Harbaugh’s clock management at the end when his team was playing defense by not using his timeouts until about one minute left and Michigan lost the game probably because of his clock management
I remember this season very well. I remember when we beat the Oilers the week before Warren Moon broke his finger. We thought it was bad luck because we needed the Oilers to win the next week. I also remember David Fulcher being on Sunday night football from his home with an Oilers hat on and when they won, he cut the hat in half with a pair of scissors. I went to that playoff game I thought we could have some 1988 AFC champ magic. We beat the Oilers but lost to Bo Jackson and the Raiders that would be Bo Jacksons last game in the NFL. That would be our last playoff win till last year when we beat the Raiders.
This year: Especially since New England can get in with a losing record (Win over Miami, Lose to Buffalo; Miami loses both games)... There can be still up to 4 teams at or below .500 in this year's playoffs. I believe it's down to 10 (11 if you want 3 sub .500 teams) games that have to go right (or wrong depending on your point of view).
There’s an odd 3-way tie set up for the final #7 spot in the NFC wildcard this year. Seahawks, Lions, and Packers are all currently tied at 8-8. Because of the way a 3-way wildcard seeding tie works under current rules, you settle the tie-breaker within the same-division teams first (Lions over Packers), THEN the tiebreaker between the remaining non-division teams (Seahawks over Lions). That’s why the Seahawks are currently 7th in the NFC standings despite losing the theoretical 2-way tiebreaker to the Packers (9th). Really weird to think about how Seahawks currently have the final #7 seed, but can lose it to the Packers even with a Seahawks win… Likely scenarios that everyone already knows: -Packers WIN and they are in. Seahawks game is irrelevant. -Seahawks WIN combined with Packers LOSS or TIE, Seahawks are in. -Lions WIN combined with Seahawks LOSS, Lions are in.
Here’s a few unlikely scenarios involving ties that no-one seems to be mentioning: -If the Packers/Lions TIE, AND the Seahawks lose, the Lions will get in. -If Rams/Seahawks TIE, Seahawks are out of the picture UNLESS -Here’s the craziest one of all. Both the Rams/Seahawks AND the Packers/Lions games BOTH end in a TIE, the Seahawks would get in. 🤯
How about this: At the end of this regular season, there is a possibility that 7 teams in the AFC could finish with a record of 8-9! Just a imagine: a 7-way tie! In case you were curious, 2 of those 7 teams have a chance to win the AFC South division.
@@glennm.garcia6964 That's crazy. After I figured out all those NFC wildcard scenarios, I started analyzing the AFC wildcard and it got too complicated. 🤣
The last highlight showed Bengals Linebacker James Francis returning an interception for a touchdown. This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about how the Cowboys almost drafted Francis that year instead of…let me check the records…Emmitt Smith.
No reporters should be in locker rooms. The teams all have press conferences that players must speak at, and there's the internet. Would you want people of either sex hanging around while you are showering and changing? As a required part of your job?
bungles got in. lost at raiders in the game bo jackson blew out his hip ending his nfl career. the hip joint was ripped apart from the leg. HAPPY NEW YEAR....
In fairness to Wyche, while he didn't allow a woman reporter in the locker room, he did the following instead: the female reporter could ask for any player she wanted to interview, and that player was required to speak with her outside the locker room. Consider that Wyche was fined for more money than Zeke Mowatt, Micheal Timpson or Robert Perryman who deliberately sexually harassed Lisa Olson. Also, in that 1990 season, the NFL scheduling people certainly didn't do the Bengals any favors. The game that the Bengals lost to the Seahawks was in Seattle on Monday Night. They scheduled the Bengals to play the Rams in Los Angeles the next week on Sunday against the Rams who had a bye week the previous week while the Bengals played the Seahawks. Rather than flying back to Cincinnati, the Bengals stayed in the Seattle area that night and the entire week before going to Los Angeles. In that Los Angeles Rams game, they actually used James Brooks mainly at WR since Eddie Brown was injured in the Seattle game. That game featured FIVE players with 100 receiving yards (Tim McGee, James Brooks and Rodney Holman for the Bengals while Flipper Anderson and Henry Ellard had over 100 for the Rams). The Bengals won the game in OT on a Jim Breech FG who is also the father of CBS Sports NFL commentator John Breech.
Dude you bash sam wyche alot. Firstly I don't think your even old enough to remember 1990. Damn I actually dig some of the videos you do but you act like an expert about everything NFL when I'd guess at most you were 5 years old In 1990.
Thanks for adding that diagram showing the combinations of those three games. Visuals like that really helped explain the playoff scenario.
made it easier to follow/understand all the different scenarios. good decision to throw it up like he did.
Eating Breakfast and watching the daily JG video. Good Times
Happy New Year!
As a Seahawks fan I remember being frustrated that we missed the playoffs that year even though we beat the Oilers, who got in as the last wildcard. Under current tiebreaker scenarios the Seahawks would get in.
Damn.... I had to look that up. Sometimes you just gotta wonder what the NFL was thinking back then!!
@@leogetz3570 You looked it up and (presumably) confirmed what I said. Leo Getz it done!
@@CTubeMan lol.... yeah, I had no idea Seattle and Houston had the same record with Seattle winning the head to head that year. Definitely a frustrating feeling for Seahawk fans
Something must have changed between then and 2002 Realignment because it should have been the Seahawks. Bengals over Oilers & Steelers due to H2H Bengals 3-1, Oilers 2-2 & Steelers 1-3. Oilers 2nd over Steelers based on 4-2 Division Record to 2-4. Should have been only Oilers & Seahawks for 3rd Wild Card and Seahawks won H2H.
I think they didn’t use the division tiebreaker to break the tie between Houston and Pittsburgh. This meant the tie was broken based on conference record between the three teams, which Houston won.
"I remember it was my sixth birthday. And my Browns were playing the Bengals. And my whole family was confused how the Bengals could get in the playoffs. And I was just like 'It's easy. The Bengals just need to win and have the Oilers win tonight to win the division.'" -LeBron James
How does he find all this information am impressed probably take awhile getting theses videos together. Well done
yeah, sometimes I wonder if he had/has a job working in the NFL smithsonian museum or something!! Along with the videos, he's got newspaper articles to go along with it.
I have fond memories of the Week 17 AFC clinching scenarios back in 2002 - that was a real web of confusion.
One of the best "I'm sorry! WHAT?" moments in JG's video history!
I remember all of that and you summed it up perfectly.
Great Video! One recommendation though would to speak a little more clearly and turn up you mic volume a smidge. But other then that 10/10 keep up the great work! :)
And now you can talk about how Ron Rivera didn't know how the Commies could be eliminated from playoff contention today.
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In the game between the Bengals and the Oilers which the Bengals won, the Bengals knocked out Warren Moon.That worked to the Bengals disadvantage since the Bengals needed the Oilers to beat the Steelers in the final week of the season.
Consequently, the Oilers played the Steelers with their backup QB, Cody Carlson. Carlson played well against the Steelers in that game which knocked the Steelers out of the playoffs, and put the Bengals into the playoffs.
Since the Bengals needed the Oilers to beat the Steelers in the Sunday Night ESPN game, ESPN had a reporter at Boomer Esaison's sports nightclub where Bengals' players watched the game, At the center of the group, Bengals' SS David Fulcher sat wearing a script Houston Oilers cap. After the game finished with the Oilers' victory, he promptly showed a set of garden shears which he used to cut the cap in two,
The Bengals then played the Oilers the following week in Riverfront. The Bengals destroyed the Oilers in the game with a 41-14 score that wasn't even that close.
The Bengals led 20-0 before the Oilers even had their first FIRST DOWN. That first down occurred inside the TWO MINUTE WARNING of the FIRST HALF. A potential second first down in the first half was negated due to a Houston penalty.
The Bengals lead 27-0 before the Oilers got their second first down.
The halftime show involved people throwing frisbees to dogs which is, in fairness, better than most Super Bowl halftime shows. The Dayton Daily News sports columnist who covered the game had a line like, "The Real Dogs Wore Blue Uniforms".
I actually went to that playoff game with my parents, both who are now deceased, and my sister. It marked the last Bengals playoff victory until the Bengals beat the Las Vegas Raiders last year, 31 years later.
"Why is this so hard?"
That's what she said!
I will never get bored watching anthothy munous bench press linebackers
its so ironic that Wyche eventually became a media member
In all fairnes as a head coach all you can control is winning your game. We love Sam Wyche in Cincy. During that type the players would walk around with just a towel on and they was the start of women reporters in locker rooms. Even most of media at time agreed with him.
An interesting footnote is that the Sunday Night Football game completely changed 2 playoff slots. With the Oilers win, the Bengals won the division and the Oilers got the wild card spot. Had the Steelers won, the Steelers would have won the division and the Seahawks would have got the wild card spot. I don't think the NFL did flex scheduling back then, so if the Oilers - Steelers game was scheduled as the final Sunday night game at the beginning of the season, that's an incredible job by the NFL schedule makers.
Might have also delayed the end of the Steelers post dynasty.
@@ryanellis7842 not really lol. It had been over 10 years since their last title, it was well over by then
Excellent video! I remember this season very well. Do you think the first year of the 3rd wild card, confused people. Also computers were not as widely used in 1990 as it is now. I remember how confusing it was back in the 20th century to figure out the playoffs
The 3rd Wild Card was introduced in 1990. Then in 2002 with Houston being added there were still 6 playoff teams, just that it was 4 Divisions. So the additional Wild Card did confuse the Bengals at least. The modern 3rd Wild Card was introduced in 2020, so I can't imagine being it as confusing.
Anything beats the current situation.
When there were two division conferences, the regular season is the playoffs and East plays West.
When there were three division conferences, I think one wild card made the most sense. Division winners would never have a losing record, and you do one wild card for equity. Picture this year’s Cowboys.
Similarly with three divisions and two wild cards. That gives each division winner a bye, and lets the wild cards fight it out during that bye.
Three divisions and three wild cards at least has some balance. The division winners will all have winning records, and there’s an incentive (no bye) to being a last place division champ.
Four divisions has been a disaster, since you always seem to have some division champ with a shit losing record. But then to compound that with three wild cards?
Four division winners and four wild cards (where I suspect we are going) is also ok. Then you have a traditional tournament, and no one can reasonably argue they were screwed.
Small correction, Cincinnati won the division based on their head to head record against Houston and Pittsburgh. It’s a great video overall
Yea Cincy had a 5-1 division record while Houston had a 4-2 division record. Hell Cincy swept Pittsburgh earlier in the season so that would put them ahead regardless since Houston and Pittsburgh were fighting for that final playoff spot.
I don't know what was so confusing about that at the time, lol.
Then and now in the case of a three way tie in the division the first tie breaker is the record in games between the tied teams
Had the Steelers won in Houston on Monday night the Steelers would have won the division. The two losses to the Bengals eliminated the Steelers.
In the 1970s the Steelers led the series against the Bengals. Starting in 1980, the Bengals swept the Steelers six times through 1990. The Bengals have exactly three season sweeps against the Steelets since then.
I remember this. And looking back, I can’t fault Wyche much for not knowing everything completely. He and his players needed to focus on the one thing they could actually control - beating Cleveland. He knew the Bengals had ways into the postseason but it’s not worth it for a coach or players to worry about what they can’t control.
Sorry, but I want my coach devoting his time to the game plan for the game he's actually involved in rather than trying to figure out tiebreakers involving teams he has no control over. I give Wyche a pass.
It actually seems pretty simple. Bengals need a win and either a Seahawks loss or a Steelers loss.
Why should Sam Wyche care about the things he couldn't control? All he could do to affect the outcome, other than maybe bribery or murder, was prepare to win the Bengals - Browns game. The rest was completely out of his hands.
The last winning season for the bengals for a very long time
It's that time of the year love it
The Bengals went out and did their job. Beat up on the Oilers where Warren Moon broke his finger at home. Then beat the down and out Browns to win the division. Then finally beat the Oilers up again without Moon in the wildcard. The one thing that always baffles me is how they just fell off a freaking cliff in 1991. How they got to 1-11 in the first 12 games ending at 3-13. How? How did they just go from a playoff team to suck within a year's time? Then sadly the Bengals just sucked being the Bungals all the way up until the 2005 season. Hell, they didn't even win a playoff game until last season in 2021.
Been a Bengals fan since 1987, and 1991 was our worst defense I've ever seen. Boomer also battled a shoulder injury all year combined with the fact the offensive line was banged up. Lost a few games because of kicking. Lost a few due to ref ball, including a near upset of the Redskins where they got bailed out by the tuck rule. It was really just one of those "what could go wrong, did" type of years.
I'm still convinced that Sam Wyche should have never been fired. The 1991 season was the first after Paul Brown's death, and the beginning of The Lost Decade.
solid video! i got sucked in cause bengals in the thumbnail. good info presented in an easy to follow way (though maybe yer mic/audio quality could be a bit better, but that's such a minor thing). sub'd and will be checking out some other videos.
I can't believe that the same thing happened yesterday with Ron Rivera not knowing the Commanders would be eliminated with a Packers win
Ironically the Oilers needed a further tiebreaker to get themselves in the playoffs, which did happen since they had a better conference record than Seattle or Pittsburgh. Not sure if their coach had to ask the reporters what they needed to do to make it though.
CIN 1990 final weekend scenario:
CIN clinches the AFC Central title and the AFC’s #3 playoff seed with win + PIT loss
CIN clinches an AFC Wild Card berth and the AFC’s #6 playoff seed with
win + SEA loss/tie
tie + HOU loss/tie + SEA loss
17:26 for my favourite QB stat from our host 👍
Wow, this wasn't even all that complicated. It's the pretty standard "if this then that" that we get every few years where a division is on the line in the final week and a team can be anything from the 2 seed to the 7
I'm actually going to give Wyche the benefit of the doubt here. Those comments in the paper suggest he knew the Bengals' scenario, but was a bit unclear on the Oilers' scenario. Because it's quite obvious from the divisional tiebreakers that as long as the Bengals won, the Steelers would be eliminated with a loss. So if Seattle had the tiebreaker over Houston--if the Seahawks would be the 6-seed regardless of if Pittsburgh or Cincinnati won the division as long as they won--that would be bad for the Bengals, because the night game between the Steelers and Oilers would be must-win for the Steelers only. If Houston had the tiebreaker--and with Cincinnati and Seattle wins in the day games, the scenarios for the 3 and 6 seeds would be Pittsburgh/Seattle with a Pittsburgh win and Cincinnati/ _Houston_ with a Houston win--that's much better. And that's what Wyche didn't know.
You should do a video on the final week 1989. The MNF game on Christmas between Cincinnati and Minnesota had the same scenario. Cincinnati wins they get the 4 seed and play Houston which would be 5, and Cincinnati beat Houston 61-7 the week before. Minnesota would be out and Pittsburgh would be out and Green Bay wins the NFC central at 10-6. Minnesota wins they win the division Green Bay is out, Pittsburgh is in at the 5 and Houston the 4 seed.
I bet being a packers fan sucked in week 16, 1989
Better asking before the game about scenarios than discovering after the game you lost that, instead of clinching a playoff spot, you can be out by the end of 4pm games, like Ron Rivera and the Commanders
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Thank you, Mr Owl.
This reminds me of the 2019 Raiders where they went into week 17 with a really weird clinching scenario. Going in, the Titans were the 6th seed at 8-7, with the Steelers right behind at 8-7, and the Raiders the final team still in contention at 7-8. What the Raiders needed was as follows:
Titans to lose to Texans
Steelers to lose to the Ravens
Raiders to win over the Broncos
and weirdly, the 7-8 Colts (who were already eliminated from contention) to beat the also eliminated 5-10 Jaguars,
AND a win by either the Bears, Lions, Chargers, or Patriots
From what I understand, they had beat the Colts head to head, giving them that tie breaker. By the Colts winning, that would move the Colts above the Titans, and a win by the other 4 teams would mean the Raiders would have a higher strength-of-victory tiebreaker over the Steelers seeing as the Raiders beat the Bears & Lions, swept the Chargers, and the Steelers lost to the Patriots.
Fittingly, none of these things played out and we missed out on one of the most confusing 6 seeds in NFL history
This was the year they beat the oilers in the wild card round then went to LA and ended Bo Jackson's career.
As a coach, it's best to not know the scenarios. Your job is to get the players to win the game and stay focused on that. Since they don't control their own destiny, it's pointless to really care and invest energy and time into that. Just do your part and wait for the final results to come in.
Hey Jaguar 9 do the one why the bengals didn't make the playoffs in 1986 when they finished 10-6
Based on the illustrations of combinations, there were three (3) specific scenarios in which Cincinnati gets into the playoffs, in general. However, we can simplify them down to just two (2) general scenarios. #1. CIN win + DET win (Outcome of PIT vs. HOU game would be irrelevant). #2. CIN win + SEA win + HOU win. Since #1 has less variables, CIN would have preferred that route.
I vaguely remember seeing video of some morning DJ in Cincinnati turning up at a Bengals press conference in drag to troll Sam Wyche after that media kerfuffle. It was pretty funny, though I'm sure it long gone now. Even Wyche was laughing, so it was pretty light.
Ron Rivera, "Hold my beer."
If you want to get pedantic, there were 27 scenarios, not 8 - you forgot to include what would happen if any of those three games ended in a tie
I remember watching the Steelers that night. Espn show seahawk players with a Steeler banner and Cincy rooting for the Oilers.
15:48! What a way to end 2022!
The NFL's tie breaking systems are too complex for starters, especially three-way tiebreakers, and strength-of-victory.
How about Sam Wyche, of all people, asking the media for help! That's a switch!
He only asked because he knew the media would be the last to know anything relevant.
Why this dude sound like he's admonishing me
Can you do Dumb Decisions on your college football channel for Jim Harbaugh’s clock management at the end when his team was playing defense by not using his timeouts until about one minute left and Michigan lost the game probably because of his clock management
I remember this season very well. I remember when we beat the Oilers the week before Warren Moon broke his finger. We thought it was bad luck because we needed the Oilers to win the next week. I also remember David Fulcher being on Sunday night football from his home with an Oilers hat on and when they won, he cut the hat in half with a pair of scissors. I went to that playoff game I thought we could have some 1988 AFC champ magic. We beat the Oilers but lost to Bo Jackson and the Raiders that would be Bo Jacksons last game in the NFL. That would be our last playoff win till last year when we beat the Raiders.
This year: Especially since New England can get in with a losing record (Win over Miami, Lose to Buffalo; Miami loses both games)...
There can be still up to 4 teams at or below .500 in this year's playoffs. I believe it's down to 10 (11 if you want 3 sub .500 teams) games that have to go right (or wrong depending on your point of view).
All they would do is be some 1st-round "practice dummies" for a powerhouse such as the Bills or Chiefs.
I think the new playoff format confused people
The 2013 Chargers... needed like 4 teams to lose their last game to get in... and it happened.
As a Detroit lions fan I am confused why this was so tough for people to understand
Sam Wyche was a hero for his policy with female reporters.
Good old Sam Wyche!!.... "Hey, any of you women reporters that I don't want in the locker room have any idea how we can make the playoffs?"
'no-stop tommy. he's still breathing'. leo getz things done.
There’s an odd 3-way tie set up for the final #7 spot in the NFC wildcard this year. Seahawks, Lions, and Packers are all currently tied at 8-8. Because of the way a 3-way wildcard seeding tie works under current rules, you settle the tie-breaker within the same-division teams first (Lions over Packers), THEN the tiebreaker between the remaining non-division teams (Seahawks over Lions). That’s why the Seahawks are currently 7th in the NFC standings despite losing the theoretical 2-way tiebreaker to the Packers (9th). Really weird to think about how Seahawks currently have the final #7 seed, but can lose it to the Packers even with a Seahawks win…
Likely scenarios that everyone already knows:
-Packers WIN and they are in. Seahawks game is irrelevant.
-Seahawks WIN combined with Packers LOSS or TIE, Seahawks are in.
-Lions WIN combined with Seahawks LOSS, Lions are in.
Here’s a few unlikely scenarios involving ties that no-one seems to be mentioning:
-If the Packers/Lions TIE, AND the Seahawks lose, the Lions will get in.
-If Rams/Seahawks TIE, Seahawks are out of the picture UNLESS
-Here’s the craziest one of all. Both the Rams/Seahawks AND the Packers/Lions games BOTH end in a TIE, the Seahawks would get in.
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How about this: At the end of this regular season, there is a possibility that 7 teams in the AFC could finish with a record of 8-9! Just a imagine: a 7-way tie! In case you were curious, 2 of those 7 teams have a chance to win the AFC South division.
@@glennm.garcia6964 That's crazy. After I figured out all those NFC wildcard scenarios, I started analyzing the AFC wildcard and it got too complicated. 🤣
The last highlight showed Bengals Linebacker James Francis returning an interception for a touchdown. This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about how the Cowboys almost drafted Francis that year instead of…let me check the records…Emmitt Smith.
That is literally the definition of a "franchise altering draft pick"!!
No reporters should be in locker rooms. The teams all have press conferences that players must speak at, and there's the internet. Would you want people of either sex hanging around while you are showering and changing? As a required part of your job?
bungles got in. lost at raiders in the game bo jackson blew out his hip ending his nfl career. the hip joint was ripped apart from the leg. HAPPY NEW YEAR....
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In fairness to Wyche, while he didn't allow a woman reporter in the locker room, he did the following instead:
the female reporter could ask for any player she wanted to interview, and that player was required to speak with her outside the locker room.
Consider that Wyche was fined for more money than Zeke Mowatt, Micheal Timpson or Robert Perryman who deliberately sexually harassed Lisa Olson.
Also, in that 1990 season, the NFL scheduling people certainly didn't do the Bengals any favors. The game that the Bengals lost to the Seahawks was in Seattle on Monday Night. They scheduled the Bengals to play the Rams in Los Angeles the next week on Sunday against the Rams who had a bye week the previous week while the Bengals played the Seahawks. Rather than flying back to Cincinnati, the Bengals stayed in the Seattle area that night and the entire week before going to Los Angeles.
In that Los Angeles Rams game, they actually used James Brooks mainly at WR since Eddie Brown was injured in the Seattle game. That game featured FIVE players with 100 receiving yards (Tim McGee, James Brooks and Rodney Holman for the Bengals while Flipper Anderson and Henry Ellard had over 100 for the Rams).
The Bengals won the game in OT on a Jim Breech FG who is also the father of CBS Sports NFL commentator John Breech.
The Bengals wouldn't make the playoffs again for 15 years
I wish the running backs had bigger shoulder pads back then
Who Dey think gonna beat dem Bengals?
Title is misleading. It's not a confusing scenario. The coaches were the confused ones.
I know why kids like cinnamon toast crunch. It's freaking awesome. Also, the oilers lost that game coz Warren moon didn't play
So if the Steelers won then Bo Jackson never gets injured. Interesting.
Dude you bash sam wyche alot. Firstly I don't think your even old enough to remember 1990. Damn I actually dig some of the videos you do but you act like an expert about everything NFL when I'd guess at most you were 5 years old In 1990.
The first 4 minutes are total annoying fluff.
Double talk.