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short answer: yes, i don't even think robtop was expecting levels as hard as insane demons and as someone with 47 extreme demons, i think extreme demons are genuinely hard enough, its just that so many people beat them that people start doubting the difficulty of them
Which I'm pretty sure comes from the fact that this game is so big so naturally more people=more good players. And with 2.2 bringing a new wave of players (myself included) there are bound to be a lot that complete the hardest difficulty. And people get good at the game at different rates, like someone who has been playing since the beginning of the game could be the same skill level as me, someone who started in very late 2.1. I think any "fix" would be very unnecessary and bring more drama than CBF did, especially re-rates. Holy shit I am a yapper
Id even argue extreme demon is too hard, not that its a bad thing but geometry dash has its difficulties significantly more divided than the average game I like it that way, but i think any more division would be overkill
I think that the demon rating should stay the same, but the problem is that extreme demons are too diverse. I think there should be a number beside the demon icon to show the more precise difficulty of the demon, like the gd demon ladder spreadsheet does.@@inseminggd9435
ladder should get an update, where levels like tidal wave and maybe even unbeaten levels that are even harder than levels at the top of the demon list, basically very similar to the azurite and obsidian tiers of gddp, but maybe bigger?
@@waffleenjoyer-re3pg GDDL list helper here 1) There is currently an extreme demon reform happening rn. Currently the goal seems to expand the ladder to 38 tiers, but its gonna take a while for that to happen, we have a lot of events happening at the same time. 2) GDDL will always rate RATED demons, ofc unrated demons wont be here. 3) There is already a GDDL version of GDDP called GDDLP, but it only goes to Shmarley Ville difficulty and its outdated aswell. thats all i can say atm, if you have any qns, feel free to ask them
Another issue for adding new difficulties is that extremes will become less valuable. It could be really demotivating because the players simply cant reach the skill required for the highest difficulty.
@@bloodreptil or on the other hand,it could make current day extremes feel more accesible rather than devaluated,because take windy landscape as an example,used to be extreme and people beat it of course Now it's an insane and a lot of people take it as their first insane,me included,maybe another step before the top levels could make it so players feel like they are actually achieving something in preparation for the top 150 or so
Extremes on their own have lost value compared to like when i first joined the community, list demons now hold that regard so a new difficulty doesn't hurt people except for the people whos hardest is like acu (not the most special thing)
@@1cn1cn1Saying that its not the most special thing is kinda rude. Some people put a lot of effort into it. Adding a new difficulty would devalue extremes even more.
@@bloodreptiltrue but its not a good reason on its own saying that then not everyone could beat the hardest levels, they would be good to give a nice progression to difficulty so stuff like bloodbath and tidal wave aren't given the same difficulty rating
In my opinion, more demon difficulties should not be added. The point of an extreme demon will be lost. It will also spark controversy behind the difficulty of each level, or potentially make some players frustrated because of downgrading.
They could have harder extreme demons be listed as extreme demon + or extreme demon ++ and youd be able to separate them in the advanced search, that way more can be added as the skill ceiling gets higher and provides an easy way to communicate the true difficulty of an extreme e.g. frozen cave being written as 3+
It's similar to the Celeste difficulty rating as the highest regular tier is grandmaster. Levels above that in difficulty get categorized as gm+1 or +2. Might as well also include the green/yellow/red part as it would help distinguish the nightmare from decode, or stalemate from ICDX.
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I'd say that when it comes to top level play,or people more involved in the community,there is no need for more difficulties because all those people need to know is about list demon entry and all,more newish players that look to get their first extreme will come across firework or kyouki and feel like they're impossible,so the less involved people would need to learn those terms that more involved players know,or some indicator to let them know they ain't beating acheron as the first extreme
I think one more demon difficulty should be added, but it should only apply to the current top 100 or smth like that, and when a level falls out of that, it goes back to being an extreme.
Bloodbath and Tidal Wave are both Extreme Demons, yet the jump from Bloodbath to Tidal Wave is probably the same as the jump from Stereo Madness to Bloodlust. A new higher difficulty should be added to push levels like Tidal Wave, Slaughterhouse, Firework, etc into it because they are probably 20 times harder to beat then Sonic Wave or Bloodbath.
My main issue with downgrading beginner extremes is that, at the end of the day, the fact that there are now levels higher in difficulty than them doesen't mean they are any less difficult than they previously where. Cataclysm hasen't been nerfed since back in the day when it was number 1, for a new player it will take the same amount of time and effort it took someone from back then to beat it. It only seems less impressive because there are now even harder levels out there.
I think its as simple as making the hardest extremes 11 stars, and increasing it slowly as the skill cap rises. People will just call them 10 stars and 11 stars It also gives an extra reward for beating harder levels
Imo, the term "extreme demon" is a bit too broad nowadays. Obviously, the vast majority of us in the community know that an extreme like Tidal Wave or Acheron is way harder than an extreme like Acu or Cataclysm Its the people who are less involved who'll see the same difficulty face on both lvls and assume they're the same level of difficulty. Now this isn't too big of an issue since someone outside the community is pretty unlikely to even play some of these levels. Although, there isn't an actual problem, it would be nice to see some extremes giving higher rewards to match difficulty. Not sure how it'd be done or if it'd be done at all but would be interesting to see
I personally think if we were to add something to the current system, a separate demon point system is the way to go. it could replace the "completed demons" section of the profile and different demons could be worth differing amounts of points. example: easy demon: 1 - 10 pts medium demon: 11 - 25 pts hard demon: 26 - 45 insane demon: 46 - 70 acu: 75 bloodbath: 100 tidal wave: 150 for implementation, I'd say that this should be community voted, perhaps with some demon list integration as any person that cares about grinding these would know of the demon list
the only problem with that is of tidal wave gets rated 150 by everybody it will be hard for it to get lowered when harder levels get verified and eventually the whole demonlist will be 150
@@ImFeelingGreen_GD-im6bs when it comes to difficulty points like this, I feel like they'd just make any demon harder than tidal wave be worth more points than it. it's not a whole difficulty that clogs the search menu, it's just a scale of how hard a demon it is. in that regard, having the upper end go higher should be okay to do.
Difficulties were not a problem for me until 2024 rolled around. Let me explain: There was clear indication on how hard levels were because they were either low extremes, around bloodbath difficulty or list/extended list difficulties. Now the difficulty has inflated so much that levels from mid extreme range blend in with levels that have recently fallen off the list and create confusion all around the community as you can no longer easily check how hard a level is and you'll have to resort into searching for specific levels from demon ladder.
i think when a level gets rated, the best thing to do is when the difficulty is left for around a month with out change the difficulty stays the same until the servers shut down.
there could be more demon difficulties actually... just don't cause mess, you could just do something like extreme+, extreme++, extreme+10 etc. basically adding infinite difficulty tiers without creating a need for 50 demon icons and as of ppl voting for level ratings, probably the lower your hardest is, the less relevancy your vote gets, same would apply for ones who only finished 1 practice run and got 5%
@@EhtesamUddinPrince icdx was demoted to insane, does that mean its easier, no, eventually most levels will get downgraded cuz the skill ceiling becomes higher, You cant escape levels getting downgraded, doesnt matter which way you do it. (Also Tidal wave getting out of the demon list prolly wont happen for another 10 years)
I think what we could do is adopt the system the celeste community uses for rating really hard custom maps. For a while the hardest rating for a celeste level was grandmaster or GM, but when even harder maps started popping up instead of adding more difficulties they started calling them GM+1, GM+2, etc., using this extremes could be sorted by difficulty and robtop wouldn't need to add 200 new demon difficulties, not to mention it's hype when a higher number is reached because we're pushing what's humanly possible in the game
Maybe just add more stars to the higher up extreme demons? I’ve also just been thinking about this for all demons in general because getting the same rewards from beating the nightmare and beating tidal wave is not really ideal. Maybe easy demons could give 10-12 stars, medium 13-15, hard 16-17, insane 18-20, and extreme 21+ or something like that.
I think the additional 5 (no I'm not including Grandpa demon) difficulties from the mods are pretty good and if there ever were to be an official update that would fix the issue of levels like Acu and TW being the same rating, I would like for that mod to just be implemented into the game. A lot of people use it already so there would be way less confusion on the new ratings compared to a brand new difficulty, since there wouldn't even really be a change for some players.
An idea rob could inplement is a number system Ex: Acu is a low level extreme and could be rated a 1/10 in the extreme category and Tidal Wave is a high level extreme that could be rated a 10/10 in extreme demon ratings.
Leave the extreme demon ranking alone, but have all levels have their number ranking. For example, Acu would have “Top 657” (or whatever the actual number is) next to it. This would allow there to be distinction between the upper and lower extremes, but they’d still all be extremes.
I think re-rates could work, but easy extreme demons should still be somewhat accessible, around bloodbath difficulty is where the extreme demon range should start in my opinion, easy enough for a dedicated decent player to grind out, but still harder than what we have now
Now that there is 1000 extreme demons i would say yes. The thing to watch out for though is something similar to the trend of overwatch's champion rank, or to a less extent the mythic and legendary system in geometry dash. It is REALLY bad if you make too many categories for something to fall into. Overwatch had no one in the top rank of the game, so the number one player in ranked wasn't the top rank. The mythic system some people think isn't needed which to an extent is true because legendary would've done enough (some people say mythic and legendary are very mixed and indistinguishable from one another). However a good example of adding more categories was when the new demon categories were added (for obvious reasons) or an outside example would be rocket league. There were people who were the top rank and yet there were people in that same rank that were miles better (the pro players). The one thing to watch out for is that you need to make a category that will encompass enough things for it to be worth making. For example if you make a new demon category and only include avernus, tidal wave and acheron, that category is terrible because it has so little in it that there is no point. I think realistically 2, maybe 3 new demon difficulties should be added in total. Bring up levels like ICDX back to extreme demon (because they were moved down due to top levels being so much harder) and then make the 2 new difficulties be the new highest. You could make extreme demon the easiest 300 extreme demons, the middle difficulty be the middle 400 or 500 extreme demons and then the hardest 200-300 extreme demons become the top difficulty. One thing though is that I think that if rob were to add a 3rd onto this idea the update for it would come out later as he tends to wait for things to be bad before making them better rather than planning in the future. This is fine for difficulties though as you would rather have a difficulty with at least 50-100 levels that can instantly go in it rather than an empty difficulty with like 2 or 3 levels because of reasoning mentioned prior.
Instead of adding a new difficulty, implementing the demons list to be shown in game would probably be a great motivator to move up while still not diminishing the value of an extreme
6:53 i think splitting extreme demons into another 5 sub-sub difficulties is an ok option, for example the first tier are the easier legacy extremes, second tier harder legacy extremes, third tier 150-76 of the demonlist, fourth tier 75-11 of the demonlist, and fifth tier the top 10 demons
They should add a new tab like the featured tab where the top 500 demons or so are found. They could give you a ‘list’ reward for anyone that you beat, or an achievement.
I think it could only be truly fixed with a new rating system, based on the average percentage to attempt ratio of players, so that levels requiring many more attempts would give more stars, and so on, and those boundaries would change as levels beaten by more people in less attempts could become downgraded, I.e making the boundaries for difficulty ratings automatically adjusted, but even then I think it is okay as it is. I personally am very close to beating cataclysm, and it has taken me 22k attempts so far and I currently have 71%, which has taken my about 100 hours in-game. This shows that extreme demon difficulty is correct for any extreme, as the only players who find extremes easy are those who spend hundreds or thousands more hours playing than players like me.
the supreme demon difficulty on the itzkiba grandpa demon mod seems pretty good, if it started around bloodbath/protoflicker/moment all the way up to list demons like in the mod i think it would work pretty good, and would motivate more players as it is more approachable than just starting at top level difficulty.
for list demons, colon's gd browser website shows the demon's position on the list next to its difficulty if this was in the base game, it wouldnt really solve any problems below the list (e.g. saying something like low death is the same difficulty as acu) but i think itd be good for list demons
4:56 the issue with this argument is that the number of extreme demons compared to their actual difficulty is irrelevant. The easier a level gets, the more of that level there will be since it is more available than the other harder ones, this is why there are more easy demons than medium demons, more medium demons than hard demons, more hard demons than insane demons, and obviously more insane demons than extreme demons. The same effect happens when you go down the demon difficulty, there are SEVERAL more 8-9 stars than demons itself, and more harder, then hard, and so on. The reason for the push for more difficulties or rerates of easier extremes is for there to be less gap between those 1000 extreme demons, because acu is what an easy demon is compared to extreme when put next to even a level that doesnt scratch the mainlist in pointercrate. While i do agree with what you say about solving this with rerates or new difficulties, i think the best solution is to simply use both methods. Downgrade the top 100ish easiest extremes, and make a new tier somewhere in the middle of the difficulty gap between the remaining 900 extreme demons.
Dude new solution: Just make it so the top 50-100 demons have a new rating,while the rest stay the same. Also there could be a beginner rank for every kind of demon, so that new players or bad players (like me) don't try to jump from Platinum adventure to -Sirus- B or Cataclysm (Also like me, wish me luck on beating -Sirius-)
Well maybe there’s too many difficulties. VSC is an insane and there’s a 5 difficulty difference between that and tidal wave so OBVIOUSLY we should remove any variation on demons at all. 👍
In all honestly, i just think legendary demon should be added to the game, and that we should also use EVW's system that he thought of, which is actually a really good idea for how it should run.
while it’s kinda funny that the game got so hard that the devs own difficulty tiers don’t make sense anymore, we already have so many community run fixes to this issue that are leagues better than any bandaid fix rob could add officially. adding new difficulties would be a nightmare linguistically because people would keep reflexively saying extremes when they mean the harder difficulty, etc. aredl, nlw, pointercrate, gddp, they all serve as good ways to subcategorize extreme demons mentally without downgrading peoples achievements or forcing people to start using a new hardest difficulty word which itself would only get obsolesced further down the line.
I just think of extreme demons as: "the level category for if you take the game seriously" and I think of their difficulty as their AREDL number and not just extreme demon. I don't think we need any more difficulties or rerates. Keeping them all as extreme demon and using the AREDL or main list or gddp is already the perfect way to progress.
At the extreme demon level, it doesnt particularly matter what robtops official rating is, becuase its super unlikely someone who beat swarm, say, doesnt know what the aredl is. This kinda gets into the point of outside stuff taking over from robtop
1:47 honestly that representation of the difficulty of levels aren't valid. The difficulty of jumping from stereo madness to a top 75 is lower than jumping from that top level to tidal wave. So, the line you're showing is kinda not true.
I think Robtop should make a demon list or even a hardest demon difficulty that’s given to levels on the demon list Edit: if rob doesn’t know if it’s on the demon list maybe make a rated but N / A rating or something
What if we just have harder extremes give more stars? Yes, in a few years we may have levels that give 40 stars but at that point of difficulty you deserve the extra sparklies for beating number 42 demon barbecue sauce corridor 3
Maybe rob could integrate the demon list into gd, for example, bloodbath, yatagurasu, sakupen hell, etc could be legacy demons where as the top 150 could be list demons. And who knows, maybe rob will just add grandpa demon for heavens sake.
Its kinda dissapointing knowing that Cataclysm and Firework are the same difficulty rating, despite one being magnitudes harder. Imo tiers of extreme demons should be added. For example Acu could be a regular extreme, and Slaughterhouse could be an extreme+ or something
imagine rob made the demon tierlist official and like when you search up a demon maybe it could show what position it is ik that doesnt rly fix the problem but eh idk
I mean if we could get another tier for demon list level because with other demons you can just pick a random level of said difficulty. but with extreems you have to reserch to make sure your not playing fliping tidal wave on accident.
I just don't want a harder demon difficulty above extreme because i want to have at least 1 of each demon beaten and i have done that and i really really don't want to have to beat a grandpa demon 😭
I think Robtop can add rating system, like in chess, but for demons. If players already decide what diffuculty demon shoud be, why can't they do it in some kind of elo form, instead of choosing from 5 options?
they should just add something else for the list demons and the levels will change as they fall off the list so it doesn't kick the can down the road in terms of add more difficulties
i think that complaining about the difficulty gap between extremes is pretty dumb, because people dont really care if you beat extreme demons, they give value to what extreme demon you beat, now its like every extreme is its own difficulty, if you beat a harder extreme demon, that person is gonna get more "viewed", for example, imagine Retray was the same difficulty as The Nightmare, that wouldnt even matter because people already know which level is harder, so beating The Nightmare will be more important than beating Retray.
IMO there is no real point of adding a new difficulty, as it takes a long time to beat an extreme, and by the time people would already know the real difficulty of extreme demons
Why do we keep talking about higher difficulties when we should get new interpolated difficulties first? Harder demon, for consistency and extreme, in-between insane and easy demon but is still a demon.
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short answer: yes, i don't even think robtop was expecting levels as hard as insane demons and as someone with 47 extreme demons, i think extreme demons are genuinely hard enough, its just that so many people beat them that people start doubting the difficulty of them
Which I'm pretty sure comes from the fact that this game is so big so naturally more people=more good players. And with 2.2 bringing a new wave of players (myself included) there are bound to be a lot that complete the hardest difficulty. And people get good at the game at different rates, like someone who has been playing since the beginning of the game could be the same skill level as me, someone who started in very late 2.1. I think any "fix" would be very unnecessary and bring more drama than CBF did, especially re-rates. Holy shit I am a yapper
Id even argue extreme demon is too hard, not that its a bad thing but geometry dash has its difficulties significantly more divided than the average game
I like it that way, but i think any more division would be overkill
I think that the demon rating should stay the same, but the problem is that extreme demons are too diverse. I think there should be a number beside the demon icon to show the more precise difficulty of the demon, like the gd demon ladder spreadsheet does.@@inseminggd9435
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I know something that will fix all difficulty bloating.
*Demon. Ladder.*
sounds like something someone obsessed with roads would say
ladder should get an update, where levels like tidal wave and maybe even unbeaten levels that are even harder than levels at the top of the demon list, basically very similar to the azurite and obsidian tiers of gddp, but maybe bigger?
@@waffleenjoyer-re3pg GDDL list helper here
1) There is currently an extreme demon reform happening rn. Currently the goal seems to expand the ladder to 38 tiers, but its gonna take a while for that to happen, we have a lot of events happening at the same time.
2) GDDL will always rate RATED demons, ofc unrated demons wont be here.
3) There is already a GDDL version of GDDP called GDDLP, but it only goes to Shmarley Ville difficulty and its outdated aswell.
thats all i can say atm, if you have any qns, feel free to ask them
Another issue for adding new difficulties is that extremes will become less valuable. It could be really demotivating because the players simply cant reach the skill required for the highest difficulty.
@@bloodreptil or on the other hand,it could make current day extremes feel more accesible rather than devaluated,because take windy landscape as an example,used to be extreme and people beat it of course
Now it's an insane and a lot of people take it as their first insane,me included,maybe another step before the top levels could make it so players feel like they are actually achieving something in preparation for the top 150 or so
Extremes on their own have lost value compared to like when i first joined the community, list demons now hold that regard so a new difficulty doesn't hurt people except for the people whos hardest is like acu (not the most special thing)
@@Alexis-8889 The thing is that barely anyone gets into top 150 levels. Its better to have the official game content to be accessible.
@@1cn1cn1Saying that its not the most special thing is kinda rude. Some people put a lot of effort into it.
Adding a new difficulty would devalue extremes even more.
@@bloodreptiltrue but its not a good reason on its own saying that then not everyone could beat the hardest levels, they would be good to give a nice progression to difficulty so stuff like bloodbath and tidal wave aren't given the same difficulty rating
In my opinion, more demon difficulties should not be added. The point of an extreme demon will be lost. It will also spark controversy behind the difficulty of each level, or potentially make some players frustrated because of downgrading.
Extreme demon is too broad nowadays
it was already too broad in like 2017
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They could have harder extreme demons be listed as extreme demon + or extreme demon ++ and youd be able to separate them in the advanced search, that way more can be added as the skill ceiling gets higher and provides an easy way to communicate the true difficulty of an extreme e.g. frozen cave being written as 3+
It's similar to the Celeste difficulty rating as the highest regular tier is grandmaster. Levels above that in difficulty get categorized as gm+1 or +2.
Might as well also include the green/yellow/red part as it would help distinguish the nightmare from decode, or stalemate from ICDX.
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Considering sdslayer's reaction to the more difficulties mod by uproxide, i can already predict his answer: YES.
Theres also demon in between mod which is useful for choosing which demons to play
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Rerates seem unnecessary, why downgrade borderline decade old levels due to recent discourse? Just have Rob work on his rating of future levels.
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I'd say that when it comes to top level play,or people more involved in the community,there is no need for more difficulties because all those people need to know is about list demon entry and all,more newish players that look to get their first extreme will come across firework or kyouki and feel like they're impossible,so the less involved people would need to learn those terms that more involved players know,or some indicator to let them know they ain't beating acheron as the first extreme
I think one more demon difficulty should be added, but it should only apply to the current top 100 or smth like that, and when a level falls out of that, it goes back to being an extreme.
i think there should be one last difficulty IF the community manages to verify something twice as hard as tidal wave.
Bloodbath and Tidal Wave are both Extreme Demons, yet the jump from Bloodbath to Tidal Wave is probably the same as the jump from Stereo Madness to Bloodlust. A new higher difficulty should be added to push levels like Tidal Wave, Slaughterhouse, Firework, etc into it because they are probably 20 times harder to beat then Sonic Wave or Bloodbath.
We getting grandpa demon difficulty with this one
My main issue with downgrading beginner extremes is that, at the end of the day, the fact that there are now levels higher in difficulty than them doesen't mean they are any less difficult than they previously where. Cataclysm hasen't been nerfed since back in the day when it was number 1, for a new player it will take the same amount of time and effort it took someone from back then to beat it. It only seems less impressive because there are now even harder levels out there.
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There is no way acu and Acheron should the same difficulty.
I think its as simple as making the hardest extremes 11 stars, and increasing it slowly as the skill cap rises. People will just call them 10 stars and 11 stars
It also gives an extra reward for beating harder levels
Imo, the term "extreme demon" is a bit too broad nowadays. Obviously, the vast majority of us in the community know that an extreme like Tidal Wave or Acheron is way harder than an extreme like Acu or Cataclysm
Its the people who are less involved who'll see the same difficulty face on both lvls and assume they're the same level of difficulty. Now this isn't too big of an issue since someone outside the community is pretty unlikely to even play some of these levels. Although, there isn't an actual problem, it would be nice to see some extremes giving higher rewards to match difficulty.
Not sure how it'd be done or if it'd be done at all but would be interesting to see
I personally think if we were to add something to the current system, a separate demon point system is the way to go. it could replace the "completed demons" section of the profile and different demons could be worth differing amounts of points.
example:
easy demon: 1 - 10 pts
medium demon: 11 - 25 pts
hard demon: 26 - 45
insane demon: 46 - 70
acu: 75
bloodbath: 100
tidal wave: 150
for implementation, I'd say that this should be community voted, perhaps with some demon list integration as any person that cares about grinding these would know of the demon list
the only problem with that is of tidal wave gets rated 150 by everybody it will be hard for it to get lowered when harder levels get verified and eventually the whole demonlist will be 150
@@ImFeelingGreen_GD-im6bs when it comes to difficulty points like this, I feel like they'd just make any demon harder than tidal wave be worth more points than it. it's not a whole difficulty that clogs the search menu, it's just a scale of how hard a demon it is. in that regard, having the upper end go higher should be okay to do.
Difficulties were not a problem for me until 2024 rolled around. Let me explain:
There was clear indication on how hard levels were because they were either low extremes, around bloodbath difficulty or list/extended list difficulties. Now the difficulty has inflated so much that levels from mid extreme range blend in with levels that have recently fallen off the list and create confusion all around the community as you can no longer easily check how hard a level is and you'll have to resort into searching for specific levels from demon ladder.
i think when a level gets rated, the best thing to do is when the difficulty is left for around a month with out change the difficulty stays the same until the servers shut down.
Solution: give extreme demons a decimal subrating with no upper bound.
there could be more demon difficulties actually...
just don't cause mess, you could just do something like extreme+, extreme++, extreme+10 etc.
basically adding infinite difficulty tiers without creating a need for 50 demon icons
and as of ppl voting for level ratings, probably the lower your hardest is, the less relevancy your vote gets, same would apply for ones who only finished 1 practice run and got 5%
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and so there exist things like gdladder, which split demons into 35 tiers (5 tiers for each demon difficulty, except 15 for extreme)
Too much for something like Geometry Dash
they should add a new ''List demon'' Difficulty. It would be connected to the demon list so it gets updated accurately.
Eventually Tidal Wave will get knocked off the list, would that mean it is any easier? Hell no
@@EhtesamUddinPrince It could be based off the list on Jan 1 2023 and anything as difficult or harder
The list is not official
@@EhtesamUddinPrince icdx was demoted to insane, does that mean its easier, no, eventually most levels will get downgraded cuz the skill ceiling becomes higher, You cant escape levels getting downgraded, doesnt matter which way you do it. (Also Tidal wave getting out of the demon list prolly wont happen for another 10 years)
@@spiky8360yes, but it would be a cool change to make it official
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They should add nightmare difficulty and different difficulties of nightmare (easy nightmare, etc…) just like demons
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the problem is, you will eventually reach the same issue.
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I think what we could do is adopt the system the celeste community uses for rating really hard custom maps. For a while the hardest rating for a celeste level was grandmaster or GM, but when even harder maps started popping up instead of adding more difficulties they started calling them GM+1, GM+2, etc., using this extremes could be sorted by difficulty and robtop wouldn't need to add 200 new demon difficulties, not to mention it's hype when a higher number is reached because we're pushing what's humanly possible in the game
Maybe just add more stars to the higher up extreme demons? I’ve also just been thinking about this for all demons in general because getting the same rewards from beating the nightmare and beating tidal wave is not really ideal. Maybe easy demons could give 10-12 stars, medium 13-15, hard 16-17, insane 18-20, and extreme 21+ or something like that.
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0:24 Completely disagree, easy levels are way too easy now, they’re so boring.
I think the additional 5 (no I'm not including Grandpa demon) difficulties from the mods are pretty good and if there ever were to be an official update that would fix the issue of levels like Acu and TW being the same rating, I would like for that mod to just be implemented into the game. A lot of people use it already so there would be way less confusion on the new ratings compared to a brand new difficulty, since there wouldn't even really be a change for some players.
An idea rob could inplement is a number system
Ex: Acu is a low level extreme and could be rated a 1/10 in the extreme category
and Tidal Wave is a high level extreme that could be rated a 10/10 in extreme demon ratings.
Leave the extreme demon ranking alone, but have all levels have their number ranking. For example, Acu would have “Top 657” (or whatever the actual number is) next to it. This would allow there to be distinction between the upper and lower extremes, but they’d still all be extremes.
I think re-rates could work, but easy extreme demons should still be somewhat accessible, around bloodbath difficulty is where the extreme demon range should start in my opinion, easy enough for a dedicated decent player to grind out, but still harder than what we have now
Now that there is 1000 extreme demons i would say yes. The thing to watch out for though is something similar to the trend of overwatch's champion rank, or to a less extent the mythic and legendary system in geometry dash. It is REALLY bad if you make too many categories for something to fall into. Overwatch had no one in the top rank of the game, so the number one player in ranked wasn't the top rank.
The mythic system some people think isn't needed which to an extent is true because legendary would've done enough (some people say mythic and legendary are very mixed and indistinguishable from one another).
However a good example of adding more categories was when the new demon categories were added (for obvious reasons) or an outside example would be rocket league. There were people who were the top rank and yet there were people in that same rank that were miles better (the pro players).
The one thing to watch out for is that you need to make a category that will encompass enough things for it to be worth making. For example if you make a new demon category and only include avernus, tidal wave and acheron, that category is terrible because it has so little in it that there is no point. I think realistically 2, maybe 3 new demon difficulties should be added in total.
Bring up levels like ICDX back to extreme demon (because they were moved down due to top levels being so much harder) and then make the 2 new difficulties be the new highest.
You could make extreme demon the easiest 300 extreme demons, the middle difficulty be the middle 400 or 500 extreme demons and then the hardest 200-300 extreme demons become the top difficulty.
One thing though is that I think that if rob were to add a 3rd onto this idea the update for it would come out later as he tends to wait for things to be bad before making them better rather than planning in the future. This is fine for difficulties though as you would rather have a difficulty with at least 50-100 levels that can instantly go in it rather than an empty difficulty with like 2 or 3 levels because of reasoning mentioned prior.
Instead of adding a new difficulty, implementing the demons list to be shown in game would probably be a great motivator to move up while still not diminishing the value of an extreme
6:53 i think splitting extreme demons into another 5 sub-sub difficulties is an ok option, for example the first tier are the easier legacy extremes, second tier harder legacy extremes, third tier 150-76 of the demonlist, fourth tier 75-11 of the demonlist, and fifth tier the top 10 demons
They should add a new tab like the featured tab where the top 500 demons or so are found. They could give you a ‘list’ reward for anyone that you beat, or an achievement.
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I think it could only be truly fixed with a new rating system, based on the average percentage to attempt ratio of players, so that levels requiring many more attempts would give more stars, and so on, and those boundaries would change as levels beaten by more people in less attempts could become downgraded, I.e making the boundaries for difficulty ratings automatically adjusted, but even then I think it is okay as it is. I personally am very close to beating cataclysm, and it has taken me 22k attempts so far and I currently have 71%, which has taken my about 100 hours in-game. This shows that extreme demon difficulty is correct for any extreme, as the only players who find extremes easy are those who spend hundreds or thousands more hours playing than players like me.
the supreme demon difficulty on the itzkiba grandpa demon mod seems pretty good, if it started around bloodbath/protoflicker/moment all the way up to list demons like in the mod i think it would work pretty good, and would motivate more players as it is more approachable than just starting at top level difficulty.
for list demons, colon's gd browser website shows the demon's position on the list next to its difficulty
if this was in the base game, it wouldnt really solve any problems below the list (e.g. saying something like low death is the same difficulty as acu) but i think itd be good for list demons
4:56 the issue with this argument is that the number of extreme demons compared to their actual difficulty is irrelevant. The easier a level gets, the more of that level there will be since it is more available than the other harder ones, this is why there are more easy demons than medium demons, more medium demons than hard demons, more hard demons than insane demons, and obviously more insane demons than extreme demons. The same effect happens when you go down the demon difficulty, there are SEVERAL more 8-9 stars than demons itself, and more harder, then hard, and so on.
The reason for the push for more difficulties or rerates of easier extremes is for there to be less gap between those 1000 extreme demons, because acu is what an easy demon is compared to extreme when put next to even a level that doesnt scratch the mainlist in pointercrate.
While i do agree with what you say about solving this with rerates or new difficulties, i think the best solution is to simply use both methods. Downgrade the top 100ish easiest extremes, and make a new tier somewhere in the middle of the difficulty gap between the remaining 900 extreme demons.
the current system is FINE i aint losing my achivments to some random nerds that are saying "acu and tidal wave arent the same🤓"
Dude new solution: Just make it so the top 50-100 demons have a new rating,while the rest stay the same. Also there could be a beginner rank for every kind of demon, so that new players or bad players (like me) don't try to jump from Platinum adventure to -Sirus- B or Cataclysm (Also like me, wish me luck on beating -Sirius-)
Yes.
(I’ve been struggling with cata for the past 6 months)
Well maybe there’s too many difficulties. VSC is an insane and there’s a 5 difficulty difference between that and tidal wave so OBVIOUSLY we should remove any variation on demons at all. 👍
In all honestly, i just think legendary demon should be added to the game, and that we should also use EVW's system that he thought of, which is actually a really good idea for how it should run.
while it’s kinda funny that the game got so hard that the devs own difficulty tiers don’t make sense anymore, we already have so many community run fixes to this issue that are leagues better than any bandaid fix rob could add officially. adding new difficulties would be a nightmare linguistically because people would keep reflexively saying extremes when they mean the harder difficulty, etc. aredl, nlw, pointercrate, gddp, they all serve as good ways to subcategorize extreme demons mentally without downgrading peoples achievements or forcing people to start using a new hardest difficulty word which itself would only get obsolesced further down the line.
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I just think of extreme demons as: "the level category for if you take the game seriously" and I think of their difficulty as their AREDL number and not just extreme demon. I don't think we need any more difficulties or rerates. Keeping them all as extreme demon and using the AREDL or main list or gddp is already the perfect way to progress.
At the extreme demon level, it doesnt particularly matter what robtops official rating is, becuase its super unlikely someone who beat swarm, say, doesnt know what the aredl is. This kinda gets into the point of outside stuff taking over from robtop
Bro just delete difficulty ratings every level should be N/A
Thats basically mario maker…
1:47 honestly that representation of the difficulty of levels aren't valid. The difficulty of jumping from stereo madness to a top 75 is lower than jumping from that top level to tidal wave. So, the line you're showing is kinda not true.
I think Robtop should make a demon list or even a hardest demon difficulty that’s given to levels on the demon list
Edit: if rob doesn’t know if it’s on the demon list maybe make a rated but N / A rating or something
What if we just have harder extremes give more stars? Yes, in a few years we may have levels that give 40 stars but at that point of difficulty you deserve the extra sparklies for beating number 42 demon barbecue sauce corridor 3
Maybe rob could integrate the demon list into gd, for example, bloodbath, yatagurasu, sakupen hell, etc could be legacy demons where as the top 150 could be list demons. And who knows, maybe rob will just add grandpa demon for heavens sake.
Its kinda dissapointing knowing that Cataclysm and Firework are the same difficulty rating, despite one being magnitudes harder.
Imo tiers of extreme demons should be added. For example Acu could be a regular extreme, and Slaughterhouse could be an extreme+ or something
imagine rob made the demon tierlist official and like when you search up a demon maybe it could show what position it is ik that doesnt rly fix the problem but eh idk
I mean if we could get another tier for demon list level because with other demons you can just pick a random level of said difficulty. but with extreems you have to reserch to make sure your not playing fliping tidal wave on accident.
I just don't want a harder demon difficulty above extreme because i want to have at least 1 of each demon beaten and i have done that and i really really don't want to have to beat a grandpa demon 😭
1:12 this actually scared me. also I’m 99% sure that sound was not made by a human
0:13 whats that level??
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1:14 i died
for anyone who thinks extreme demon is hard enough, remember the difficulty spike from stereo madness to acu is smaller than acu to tidal wave
unique opinion: I dont have a problem with this.
the short answer is: yes.
ehhh no
0:18 I got 96% on this demon and never beat it 😭😭😭
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Idea: Hard and Harder have two different levels so just do that for demons
I have a simple fix, tiers. So like Acu would be tier 1 extreme and tidal wave maybe tier 10. this scales up infintely
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They could receive their stars based on their difficulty Instead of separate categories for each difficulty.
only one new hardest difficulty, and no more, i think thats good
The thing about extreme demons is that the difficulty curve is too big. It doesnt make sense having cataclysm on the same difficulty as Tidal Wave.
Add the All rated Extremes list into the game. BOOM problem solved.
I think Robtop can add rating system, like in chess, but for demons. If players already decide what diffuculty demon shoud be, why can't they do it in some kind of elo form, instead of choosing from 5 options?
I think the gddl mod is great most of the time it’s fair aswell it helps people find levels in there range and new hardest
add a new difficulty for the top 100 / 200 / 500 and once a level drops out of there its back down to extreme
I agree with all of this I just think Grandpa Demon would be super funny
The difference between a low extended list demon and Stereo Madness is likely smaller than Tidal Wave to the same low extended list demon
problem is if you make a new hardest difficulty and have a bunch of levels in it there will be some levels that are way easier than the harder ones
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2:53 has no one noticed the fact that there are 2 infinite demons yet?
Also Harder Demon, Extreme difficulty, and Angel difficulty when?
Keep the top half of extremes as extreme demon and make a new demon difficulty as the lower end
they should just add something else for the list demons and the levels will change as they fall off the list so it doesn't kick the can down the road in terms of add more difficulties
i think that complaining about the difficulty gap between extremes is pretty dumb, because people dont really care if you beat extreme demons, they give value to what extreme demon you beat, now its like every extreme is its own difficulty, if you beat a harder extreme demon, that person is gonna get more "viewed", for example, imagine Retray was the same difficulty as The Nightmare, that wouldnt even matter because people already know which level is harder, so beating The Nightmare will be more important than beating Retray.
IMO there is no real point of adding a new difficulty, as it takes a long time to beat an extreme, and by the time people would already know the real difficulty of extreme demons
Why do we keep talking about higher difficulties when we should get new interpolated difficulties first? Harder demon, for consistency and extreme, in-between insane and easy demon but is still a demon.
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yay im 3 min :D -edit- there is no way people are able to finish the video by the time this comment was added. it was 3 min after the upload, making it so people wont be able to see 5 min of the video
legend says he died at the end of dash so he ended the video early so we will never know...
still waiting for that roasting the legacy list video...
Zobros saying that all extremes are "easy":