Thank u so much for taking the time to make this bro 🙏🏼 verrrry informative! Looking at them side by side like this it really actually makes u appreciate the aesthetics of the mini a lot! I mean the form-factor just looks perfect honestly
the really sad part too, is that intel has a respectable showing when it comes to synthetic benchmarks, meaning the performance is there, but intel is just so vastly far behind in game ready driver support that any lead in raw processing power they have losses by leaps and bounds to AMD's superior experience with drivers that have been crafted over the last couple decades. It's going to take a while, but there is a lot of performance being left on the table in intel Arc GPUs/APUs intel just needs time to cook. they aren't fully baked yet.
Yeah the RAW GPU power suggest it should be over 50% ahead of where it is in actual games. I want intel to get ahead, but they have to show me something first.
@@fourtii8707 not if intel takes the initiative to do things that AMD and intel have been doing for years now. Partnering with game studios to help optimize games when running on their platform. Remember when games that advertised NVidia in their launch screens used to run like dogwater on comparable and better amd cards? Some of this is likely just that. The chip has the performance, it's just not being used properly in the rendering engines. And intel really needs to up their game on power efficiency as well, they are falling way behind on that front.
@@thejuanderdude7911 it's different for desktop PCs. With desktops you have a CPU and the GPU handles the graphics. With handhelds there's no dedicated GPU so the CPU is an all in one that handles the graphics as well. What GPU doo you have in your desktop?
I remember that I paid $1100 for the X1 Intel and the only reason why I decided to cancel is that OneXplayer had a delay in this units. Months later I early purchased the X1 Mini for only $800
I didn't know the mini had better performance. And 7-8 inches feels like a sweet spot. 10 is much easier to see, but its borderline on being way too bulky.
@@marumisu9560 yeah the AMD X1 launched the same time as the Mini, but the Intel X1 came out months before them both. It’s sad because I think they should have skipped the intel X1. Many owners are disappointed.
I wish I never got the OneXPlayer X1 with the intel 155h. I cannot play some of the games that my Legion Go plays. It’s sad that I spent over $2,300 for the full package for me to not even be able to use the device like I wanted to….. anyone looking to buy a OneXPlayer x1 let me know haha
Intel on CPU are the best for productivity, but on Integrated Graphics or gaming I prefer AMD, Intel is just trying to catch up with AMD. Mostly are their drivers issues tho doesn’t make sense with all the power they be able to push.
I just don’t think this processor was designed with handhelds in mind. It needs so much power to feed all those cores that it just can’t keep up at tdp levels that make sense.
Is this true only for hand helds? I felt my laptop intel I9 with rtx4090 outperformed amd variants slightly for gaming. I do agree in hand held amd Z1 extreme for the win
@@cavemanmoneyshot_6850 in your laptop the 4090 was doing the work for gaming. In the handheld there is no dedicated GPU so the intel processor has to handle the graphics as well. It has a few cores based on the intel ARC GPU, but it’s not there yet.
the TDP on the intel is higher but actually lower... game 1: amd -20W intel - 16W game 2: amd - 35W intel - 30-32W game 3: amd - 43W intel - 33-40W game 4: amd - 51W intel - 32-38W game 5: amd - 44W intel - 44W intel so basically AMD "25W"' TDP is the same as intel "35W" TDP dose it fix the intel GPU problem ? no is AMD the better APU ? sure just saying be carful is u compare TDP alone
That has to do with how intel and amd report total system power differently. But the power specifically going to the processor is what you set the TDP to. Even still, there’s no reason the intel handheld at its max power (35w) should be as bad as it is.
@@BarelyAverageDude the most important part is how fast the battery drained and that is the "BATT -XXW" so intel at 35W and AMD at 25W are about the same consumption. does it save the intel GPU from being bad ? nop... it is bad.
Cool video! I was even thinking about getting the X1 mini AMD at one point. It's such a cool device. How does the gyro compare to the ROG Ally/Ally X? Just one thing about the TDP: The Phawx mentioned before that Intel measures the TDP differently, and when you look at the total power draw from the battery, you can see that the 25W AMD vs. 35W Intel both use around 45W of total power draw from the battery. So far the AMD it's clear king and the new generation looks really promising. Let's how the new intel compare against that.
The actual Gyro is pretty much the same , but it’s a better implementation on the Ally because you can set it for specific games. On the X1 mini you can set it and adjust it, but then you have to turn it on and off manually.
Looks like Intel is getting lazy. I heard they're having issues with their 13th and 14th gen CPUs. I am glad I didn't upgrade from my 12th gen. I just upgraded my GPU from a 3090 to the 4090 card. I was thinking of getting a Mini PC hand held, but I can't decide which one to get with all the options we have out there. I like that Ayaneo slide, but the screen is locked at 60hz compared to the Asus ROG ally X 120hz. I am thinking of maybe getting it. But, a part of me thinks I should wait for the next hand helds coming with even more power.
@Edgar-ob9vq Our analysis of returned processors confirms that the elevated operating voltage is stemming from a microcode algorithm resulting in incorrect voltage requests to the processor. Intel is delivering a microcode patch which addresses the root cause of exposure to elevated voltages.Jul 22, 2024
@@WOojerVest3andQuest3onMe No patch is gonna fix desktop 13th and 14th gen Intel chips. GN and many other tech tubers and sites have already done the test's. The degradation and damage is done and only a replacement will stop the instability. Shame Intel won't recall, in other news, stock is crashing and faith is ruined. Intel has acknowledged oxidation issues now, you can't patch out a manufacturing flaw.
Portability is pretty much the same, Battery is better on x1 mini and performance is slightly better as well. The only category the LeGo wins is having FPS mode.
@@hugtilldusk not horrible if you use FSR, but you will definitely be able to tell that you are at a low resolution on such a large screen. Depending on the game/graphics style it can look decent, but not the best
Not if resolution / settings have been equalized no. The larger device should dissapate heat better but if he's locking say a 20w TDP to a 20w TDP then no.
Screen size doesn’t matter in this case because the resolution is the same. Not only is it set the same in all test, it actually is the same on both devices. 2560x1600 (1600p) They both have to render the exact same amount of pixels and that’s where the work comes in.
@@blondy51091 I’ve tested them both on FSR is actually slightly better 😅 You’re thinking of DLSS which is gpu specific “Instead of doing the upscaling work on the graphics card itself, it happens in the game. Because of that, you can use FSR with any graphics card.” www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-fsr-vs-intel-xess/
@@Backstage_Politician Intel just got into the GPU game Fr. AMD has been making the graphics processors for consoles since the 360. Yeah Intel has a lot of catching up to do
Thank u so much for taking the time to make this bro 🙏🏼 verrrry informative! Looking at them side by side like this it really actually makes u appreciate the aesthetics of the mini a lot! I mean the form-factor just looks perfect honestly
Yeah, as a handheld I think it’s much better than the X1.
It’s not very “mini” but I’m loving it so far
the really sad part too, is that intel has a respectable showing when it comes to synthetic benchmarks, meaning the performance is there, but intel is just so vastly far behind in game ready driver support that any lead in raw processing power they have losses by leaps and bounds to AMD's superior experience with drivers that have been crafted over the last couple decades. It's going to take a while, but there is a lot of performance being left on the table in intel Arc GPUs/APUs intel just needs time to cook. they aren't fully baked yet.
Yeah the RAW GPU power suggest it should be over 50% ahead of where it is in actual games.
I want intel to get ahead, but they have to show me something first.
that "a while" is 10 years minimum Im afraid
@@fourtii8707 not if intel takes the initiative to do things that AMD and intel have been doing for years now. Partnering with game studios to help optimize games when running on their platform. Remember when games that advertised NVidia in their launch screens used to run like dogwater on comparable and better amd cards? Some of this is likely just that. The chip has the performance, it's just not being used properly in the rendering engines. And intel really needs to up their game on power efficiency as well, they are falling way behind on that front.
Nail in the coffin for me, getting an AMD version of x1
Yeah, I don't see any reason to get Intel right now
Pretty crazy, all of my builds have been intel. May make a full change on next build. 😳
@@thejuanderdude7911 it's different for desktop PCs. With desktops you have a CPU and the GPU handles the graphics. With handhelds there's no dedicated GPU so the CPU is an all in one that handles the graphics as well.
What GPU doo you have in your desktop?
@@BarelyAverageDude working with 3080ti FE.
Hard to believe it’s nearly 4 years old..
Remember this is the first generation of intel arc graphics, gonna have a lot of growing pains. The next msi claw luna hopefully is better
I know it’s the first arc generation, but we’re paying the same amount for much worse performance. I can’t endorse that. 🤷🏽♂️
I remember that I paid $1100 for the X1 Intel and the only reason why I decided to cancel is that OneXplayer had a delay in this units. Months later I early purchased the X1 Mini for only $800
You’re up big time! 👍🏽
I bought X1 AMD but the big screen not mini
@@mohammedalfalahi3994nice. 👍🏽
Thx for the review
I didn't know the mini had better performance. And 7-8 inches feels like a sweet spot. 10 is much easier to see, but its borderline on being way too bulky.
The mini has better performance than the intel x1. The amd X1 is the same
@@BarelyAverageDude oooo. i didn't know there were different versions of the X1
@@marumisu9560 yeah the AMD X1 launched the same time as the Mini, but the Intel X1 came out months before them both.
It’s sad because I think they should have skipped the intel X1. Many owners are disappointed.
I wish I never got the OneXPlayer X1 with the intel 155h. I cannot play some of the games that my Legion Go plays. It’s sad that I spent over $2,300 for the full package for me to not even be able to use the device like I wanted to….. anyone looking to buy a OneXPlayer x1 let me know haha
Oh dang, the sucks to hear. What game(s) can’t you play
@@BarelyAverageDude Ark Survival Ascended. It plays ok on my legion go. But I crash almost every time on the X1.
@@aaronfrederick6354 get it together Intel! 🤦🏽♂️
🍎 vs 🍊
Gotta test these things
Intel on CPU are the best for productivity, but on Integrated Graphics or gaming I prefer AMD, Intel is just trying to catch up with AMD. Mostly are their drivers issues tho doesn’t make sense with all the power they be able to push.
I just don’t think this processor was designed with handhelds in mind. It needs so much power to feed all those cores that it just can’t keep up at tdp levels that make sense.
Is this true only for hand helds? I felt my laptop intel I9 with rtx4090 outperformed amd variants slightly for gaming.
I do agree in hand held amd Z1 extreme for the win
@@cavemanmoneyshot_6850 in your laptop the 4090 was doing the work for gaming.
In the handheld there is no dedicated GPU so the intel processor has to handle the graphics as well.
It has a few cores based on the intel ARC GPU, but it’s not there yet.
I waited and bought the 11inch X1 AMD version. It’s much better
I got the intel version so others don’t have to.
Took one for the team 😅
whoopie doo really going to make a difference with those extra 100+ fps lol
lol right 😅
the TDP on the intel is higher but actually lower...
game 1: amd -20W intel - 16W
game 2: amd - 35W intel - 30-32W
game 3: amd - 43W intel - 33-40W
game 4: amd - 51W intel - 32-38W
game 5: amd - 44W intel - 44W intel
so basically AMD "25W"' TDP is the same as intel "35W" TDP
dose it fix the intel GPU problem ? no
is AMD the better APU ? sure
just saying be carful is u compare TDP alone
That has to do with how intel and amd report total system power differently.
But the power specifically going to the processor is what you set the TDP to.
Even still, there’s no reason the intel handheld at its max power (35w) should be as bad as it is.
@@BarelyAverageDude the most important part is how fast the battery drained and that is the "BATT -XXW"
so intel at 35W and AMD at 25W are about the same consumption.
does it save the intel GPU from being bad ? nop... it is bad.
Cool video! I was even thinking about getting the X1 mini AMD at one point. It's such a cool device. How does the gyro compare to the ROG Ally/Ally X?
Just one thing about the TDP: The Phawx mentioned before that Intel measures the TDP differently, and when you look at the total power draw from the battery, you can see that the 25W AMD vs. 35W Intel both use around 45W of total power draw from the battery.
So far the AMD it's clear king and the new generation looks really promising. Let's how the new intel compare against that.
The actual Gyro is pretty much the same , but it’s a better implementation on the Ally because you can set it for specific games. On the X1 mini you can set it and adjust it, but then you have to turn it on and off manually.
Looks like Intel is getting lazy. I heard they're having issues with their 13th and 14th gen CPUs. I am glad I didn't upgrade from my 12th gen. I just upgraded my GPU from a 3090 to the 4090 card. I was thinking of getting a Mini PC hand held, but I can't decide which one to get with all the options we have out there. I like that Ayaneo slide, but the screen is locked at 60hz compared to the Asus ROG ally X 120hz. I am thinking of maybe getting it. But, a part of me thinks I should wait for the next hand helds coming with even more power.
What happened with the 13th gen, are you talking about the cpu ? I have z13 13900h but no issues so far.
@Edgar-ob9vq Our analysis of returned processors confirms that the elevated operating voltage is stemming from a microcode algorithm resulting in incorrect voltage requests to the processor. Intel is delivering a microcode patch which addresses the root cause of exposure to elevated voltages.Jul 22, 2024
@@WOojerVest3andQuest3onMe No patch is gonna fix desktop 13th and 14th gen Intel chips. GN and many other tech tubers and sites have already done the test's. The degradation and damage is done and only a replacement will stop the instability. Shame Intel won't recall, in other news, stock is crashing and faith is ruined. Intel has acknowledged oxidation issues now, you can't patch out a manufacturing flaw.
Can you compare X1 Mini vs LLGo regardless of their price and specs. Focus on more portability, battery and gaming (temperature, playability)
Portability is pretty much the same, Battery is better on x1 mini and performance is slightly better as well.
The only category the LeGo wins is having FPS mode.
Bro, Ally X or X1 mini?
I like X1 mini
But of course ally x is probably the “safer” purchase
These things are so freaking cool
These 2 are definitely interesting. There’s so much variety in the handheld market.
The OneXPlayer 1S has TB4.
Im looking to either buy the amd x1 mini or amd 10.95, could you tell me how games look on 800p on the 10.95 or 900p on the 10.95?
@@hugtilldusk not horrible if you use FSR, but you will definitely be able to tell that you are at a low resolution on such a large screen.
Depending on the game/graphics style it can look decent, but not the best
@BarelyAverageDude appreciate the response, so you can see low res on the 10.95 but on the 8.8 you can't tell?
It's worse with late gen emulation.
you have Intel XEss/AMD Fsr/Nvidia dlss
Doesn’t the frames drop the bigger the screen ? Also the intel screen looks brighter
Size doesn’t matter, it’s the same resolution.
Brightness is the same, just a matter of how it looks on camera.
would the different screen sizes also effect the results?
Not if resolution / settings have been equalized no. The larger device should dissapate heat better but if he's locking say a 20w TDP to a 20w TDP then no.
Screen size doesn’t matter in this case because the resolution is the same.
Not only is it set the same in all test, it actually is the same on both devices.
2560x1600 (1600p)
They both have to render the exact same amount of pixels and that’s where the work comes in.
you need to find a game the supports xess dont use fsr on intel its amd software one that has it all is cyberpunk
@@blondy51091 I’ve tested them both on FSR is actually slightly better 😅
You’re thinking of DLSS which is gpu specific
“Instead of doing the upscaling work on the graphics card itself, it happens in the game. Because of that, you can use FSR with any graphics card.”
www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-fsr-vs-intel-xess/
AMD apus are way better than Intel.
Why do you think that Intel chips are not inside PlayStation 5s and Xboxes?
@@Backstage_Politician Intel just got into the GPU game Fr.
AMD has been making the graphics processors for consoles since the 360.
Yeah Intel has a lot of catching up to do
Can u test final fantasy 15 and the last of us?
@@rinrin2195 just get AMD 😅
Are you considering the intel version!?
@@BarelyAverageDude yes yes I am. I'm trying to trade my ally for the x1
@@rinrin2195don’t do it?
Ask them why they’re trading. 😅
I’ll do the test just for you, but you already know my answer.
@@BarelyAverageDudethanks they said they are considering the trade. Thanks for checking out those games for me
Wow! AMD is really at the top of their game. Well, for Intel.... 🤔 🤔 🤔
Intel has some work to do
It's not that bad..
It is that bad 😂..