Paul Roberts I slightly doubt the academic approach of juries considering what kind of random people are in them. At least the public could stop Austria from a undeserved victory
same as last year and I bet same as next year... somehow it seams to be normal that way. but the preferences of the jury are rather surprising considering how they did vote the last two years.... what ever, the discussions are the same every year. that should tell us something
I think it was just an unfortunate case of it being 11th+ place all the time, and honestly, with the quality this year being in the top 15 is honestly a great result.
As it was first in the starting order it might got forgotten by the end. And to add to that, I didn't like the performance and staging that much TBH. The song is okayish but I won't listen to it often after today also
I think that was the saddest part of this year, i mean im really starting to doubt the professionality of the juries , this song was original , great voice , great performance, and not mainstream for gods sake. I understand if people dont vote for something , cause they vote often too political , but juries , why the hell did we put you there ?
Who was robbed by jury is Ukraine. I was just shoked, as it seemed that the juries just did not watch or listen to Ukraines performance. I am not a melovinator, however he was good and his vocals were on point. Top 10 from televoters and last for jury. It looks like they need to be replaced. Also the thing about countries finishing on high spots with jury and vad results from public vote. It is just unbeliavable and sad same time. Best wishes from very sad ukrainian. And Melovin, you need to know that you are awesome!
Jury punished Ukraine for last year's scandal with not letting Russian contestant in (who broke Ukraine's law). Melovin had one of the best entries! Jury are so political and corrupted
agree, that was unnecessarily cruel of jury to disregard Melovin so much, especially that vocally he's one of the best, if not the best of all participants
Sweden's jury result is outrageous. Austria's jury result is unexpectedly high. Like... I liked his song and wanted him to do well, but 1st place??? Seriously? Australia being last place in the televote is hilarious :D And I can't even say that it was undeserved. She just couldn't control her vocals. Ukraine and Denmark being so low with the juries is outrageous. That one jury that gave Norway 12p should be ashamed of themselves. Czechia did so well in the televote, super happy for him! Albania was 7th with the juries!!! I'm so pleased with that! :) Germany on 4th place overall! Thanks to everybody who voted! We really needed that
E B Okay that is really wired but other then that what was wrong with televote results at least top 5 songs was more diverse compare to rigged juries top 5 was just pop song. They killed Rasmussen like what is this bs system remove that i rather see Europe to decide ( beside Isreal this year ).
I've defended them for years, but they really didn't do much right this year. And when they did, the televote usually agreed with them mostly. No UK 2017 or Czechia 2016 in these results.
George Rogers Should generic radio filler songs like Sweden or Austria win instead? I'm not a big fan of Israel, but it at least has more originality than those two.
The fact that all of you didn’t see Italy coming so high is a perfect example of the detachment between the press/jury and the public sentiment Italy has always been a fan favourite, from the very beginning. And never gave in. If you saw in detail comments on TH-cam, Facebook, Reddit and other social media you would realize how big and compact Italy’s fanbase was. Plus the performance was very high impact, especially if you’re not an Anglophone and you read the lyrics in your language. If that isn’t a message of unity amongst all cultures I don’t know what else could be so. Truely one of the best performances. Sorry for ranting but I just needed to pull all of it out of my chest.
I gotta say I didn't like this year's song from Italy, BUT I really, really, respected them and their song, as well as I respect Italy as a country for performances and art overall so... I would NEVER understand the "hate" that exists from the juries to Italy...
I agree with your assessment - I like you have been reviewing the social media platforms and seeing a different story. Fans liked the Italian song very much. The official Italian video, (not the Eurovision one had 20 million hits...way more than Netta's 18 million. The performance is strong. The media did not get behind this song but choose the message from France to promote that. Williams interview with Ermal and Fabrizio was an intelligent one. The discrepancy between the jury and the telemeters for Italy was a stand out and I cheered the fact they came third. Europe got the message. Somehow others who have greater platforms did not project an accurate picture.
Italy has a "problem". It's called RAI. The Italian TV broadcaster is not interested in hosting Eurovision. If it was not for the jury, they would have to host the show every 2 or 3 years...that would be insane, so something has to be done to stop that. There's a reason why Italy stayed so many years out of Eurovision, they came back in 2011 but the "problem" continues. You only have to see how popular their songs are among the public, if the jury voted the same way, then RAI the Italian TV broadcaster would be f"#$%&d.
Italy deserved to win!! Haha.. The jury vote tho.. Omg!!! But thank God for the televote.. So happy for Germany and Italy and also Albania!!! Still don't understand, Austria won the jury's vote??? 🙄
I thought italys was kind of generic to be honest. Was not in my top 10. Had it about 15th. I just found other songs more emotionally convincing like Germany's. I was so happy that the Czech Republic did so well. Denmark and Ukraine I feel got cheated the most by the jury votes.
Adam Waite the one that i find very generic is the winner.. No offense.. Still love her and I'm glad she won the trophy but yeah, Italy is my winner... :) And i agree, the jury vote didn't make sense at all.. Thank God for the televote..
well... the people in Europe at least... the juries were out to lunch when they were supposed to evaluate their performance apparently. Much like when Italy (again) with Il Volo were robed by the juries in 2015.
I absolutley agree with you.They also have strong message as Nettas song but you can see the diffrence.Italy performed real art and Toy was to overrated.
What a nice comment. I wish all the people could be this tolerant instead of spitting their bile when their favorite is not #1. I love Estonia and France very much too, and Eleni had a fantastic performance.
I agree with what you're saying. I was passionately rooting for Cyprus, but I'm also kinda glad that Netta won, it proves that the voting is not quite so predictable and generic. It's nice having something that's simultaneously cheerful, adorably chaotic and technically superb. Having said that, I was sorry that Belgium and Greece didn't get into the finals. They and Cyprus were my favorites from the start and while they all significantly differ from each other, each was masterful in its own genre/theme. Estonia, too, the idea was clear and it was executed flawlessly.
I think that the reason that the juries got behind Austria and Sweden was because of their songs' having the strongest potential to be successful outside of Eurovision. But even with that logic, I still don't understand why they were so icy towards Cyprus, since that struck me as the most radio-friendly track of the bunch. Was there a certain sexist double standard?
I wasn't surprised by Netta winning, but I expected Cyprus to be the more likely winner. Finland came second to last, but this year, with these contestants, that was really as high as we could go with Monsters and the chosen staging. I enjoyed Australia's performance, the singer was so positive and happy.
Finland did suffer from being in the sort of the same genre as Cyprus and Israel, basically people who liked that type of song had stronger songs to vote for . Also I felt the staging was not very good sadly.
As for Italy guys, I was watching ESC with 10 of my friends, none of us had Italy even in the top 10 leading up to the final, but after the performance we all scored them 12. I got chills all the way through, it touched me and especially the moment I saw their lyrics in Croatian on screen. They absoultely for me deserved even higher than 5th place. So sad for Almaia, they were in my top 10 for sure, as well as France. Jury needs to go. Sweden should've been in the last 5.
I didn't expect to rank Austria that hight also. But common, Italy 3rd in the televotes? honestly? They just benefited from their last spot starting order IMO. But I didn't like the winner song as well. Would have perferred Cyprus, Germany or Lithuania.
An ideal jury would have ranked Italy France Albania and Estonia high but its not.I guess everyone has to live with such partiality. If not for juries Italy would be 3rd atleast
Kessra well.... Europeans got the message behind our song.... judging from the few points televoters gave to Sweden it seems like the audience at home gave more importance to the lyrics than the staging.
Place Italy first in the running order and see if it still gets 3rd by televotes. I highly doubt that. The average attention span of a typical ESC viewer is probably limited to 3-4 songs even with the summary recap at the end. And please stop with the message thing, every song somehow conveys a message to some degree. At the end this is a song contest and not a we put (political) messages in songs competition. Sure it's a fine line to where political messages start and where "historical" events end and ESC has had such problems already in the past. In the end EBU should be more rigid to which songs are allowed to compete and which not.
The jury is crazy. Completely forgot Denmark, thank god for the televote put them in the top 10. And what happened to Ukraine???? It was SO good!! Deserved to be in top 5, if not winner
+Moop the Shark But why does he have to swallow his words? I'm pretty sure the only thing he had to do was to deliver the award to the winner. I'm glad that he showed enough respect for the eurovision to do it even if he didn't like the song that was chosen.
The fact that the top 2 with the jury didn't even come close to what the public picked was really strange. I also don't understand how Austria won the jury vote, I REALLY like the song but it didn't scream Eurovision winner at all. This has been the most wacky Eurovision ever but to be honest, I'm loving it.
While we didnt deserve to win, Denmark placed second last (I think) in the jury votes but nr 5 from audiences. Again, I think a 5th place would've been pretty fair but the fact that the difference is so large makes you consider whether the jurys should even be there.
MaMastoast I feel like the juries will badly score any song that you couldn't see being on the radio. I feel like there needs to be a word, this is the Eurovision Song Contest not the Eurovision POP Song Contest.
CaraJane xx This contest was created by European Television and Radio....so yes it should be geared towards songs that could actually make it into the charts and on radio and onto music tv stations....it is not a contest where songs should be played and then die after the contest is over.
The most shocking thing for me is the fact that Ukraine was last in jury votes?! What the hell, he has such a good voice, performance was spot on, I just can't wrap my head around it! 🙄
lola thebola Bulgaria win the best song from the professionals of the Eurovision, why this bad results in the show? Totally unexpected, shte done great performance.
Isn't that their job to assess songs professionally, ie also radio friendly? And my impression this is one of the least neighbour-friendly voting rounds ever due to so many blocs being ripped apart during semi-finals. Maybe we should split the contest. One award from professional jury, one from the general public.
We're waiting for this result, not because it's a bad music, it's not, i love her, but because we're the host country, unfortunately. And that is what i'm saying to others, at least we made some points and not zero. :)
And why did that guy from the Israeli delegation aggressively push away Cesar as he tried to congratulate Netta? Very rude and uncalled for, as if he were a beggar or a mugger.
A few delegations had special protection due to security concerns. After the stage invasion, I guess some of the agents were even more on the edge. That guy probably didn't even noticed it was Cezar (or rather, didn't even know who Cezar or the other contestants were - he was just securing the perimeter).
Zoe Kouf This is not true. In Israel there is a large community of blacks and they are an inseparable part of the public and the government. By the way, According to the Bible, Moshe Rabbeinu was married to a black woman
My winner is France 🇫🇷 It's really odd that they did so poorly with the jury while Sweden did so well! Why don't they reward quality songs? Seems a bit pointless to have the jury vote, after all 😑
Agree, Sweden was nice, but nothing special, always the same....France presented a quality song....so sad...this contest was a step back, just happy my country Germany did so well!
Completely agree! I was so sorry for France... you song was both meaningful and catchy. But being Italian I am used to juries not getting our songs at all... yet I am very sorry that televotrrs didn't get it either... weird! So happy for Germany though! Well done Michael!
Gotta be honest, I didn't think the French song was catchy at all, but it was well performed. Sweden's seemed comical to me, the guy didn't have the smooth aura it takes to pull off a song like that.
I gotta say I didn't like this year's song from Italy, BUT I really, really, respected them and their song, as well as I respect Italy as a country for performances and art overall so I would NEVER understand the "hate" that exists from the juries to Italy...
Our opinion on the Italian entry is in agreement: don't care for the song as just a song but I respect their message and what they want to convey to people and is thus actually quite happy that the televoters felt what the juries didn't.
mimmi brontola oh I understood wrong. Yeah! When will you get their support as you deserve...? I sooo want to go to Rome and live eurovision there! 😍🇮🇹
Jury killed Hungary as usual I got used to it but Australia finished higher than us made me shooketh Congratulations Bulgaria, you inproved a lot since the first semi! Cyprus and Israel, well done Girls❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Outside the ESC bubble. European ITunes Song Sales 2018/05/14 1 Calvin Harris, Dua Lipa - One Kiss 2 David Guetta & Sia - Flames 3 Eleni Foureira - Fuego ☺ 1 4 Ariana Grande - No Tears Left to Cry 5 Selena Gomez - Back to You 6 Rudimental - These Days 7 Cesár Sampson - Nobody but You ☺ 2 8 Netta - TOY ☺ 3 9 Michael Schulte - You Let Me Walk Alone ☺ 4 10 Childish Gambino - This Is America
Portugal, Hungary, The Netherlands, Ukraine, Bulgaria deserved better :( Israel was so good, but did not deserve the first place :( Estonia is my winner
Fair enough this year Israel did manage to win overall, but who knows what will happen next year? I mean as you said in 2016 Russia didn't win overall even though that's what the majority wanted! This year the difference between the juries and the televoters where just ridiculous tbh! Sweden - 2nd with the Jury, 23rd with the televoters Denmark - 21st with the Jury, 5th with the televoters Ukraine - 26th with the Jury, 7th with the televoters Austria - 1st with the Jury, 13th with the televoters and a couple other ones as well.
Well to be fair that is just your opinion. Personally, I think Slovenia should've been in top 10 but I'm in the minority and I think you might be as well :/ The televoters clearly showed that they didn't want Austria or Germany to win so I don't see why they should change anything with televoters. Still Germany and Austria ended up very high so well done to them! :)
We respect the result! Congratulations to Israel and Netta! Sure, I am very dissapointed Eleni with Fuego 🔥 came second, but we are also very grateful! Cyprus winning the 2nd place is an amazing achievement! Thank you all for your support! ❤️🇨🇾
The difference between the jury and the televote was a wow. I'm so happy for Italy, Cyprus, Germany,, Czech Republic and Denmark. It was a nice surprise to see Denmark in top 5, Italy in top 3 in the televote.
i kinda understand Austria being so high. he def has one of the best male voices in the competition and he seemed very professional and relaxed on stage and then the song is quiet radio friendly. Cesar got the same televote as Israel in the semi final, so it's not just a jury's song.
The juries were impressed by Cesar's vocals and on paper, it's a good song. The whole package with the staging was too boring for televoters and that's why they tanked in the televote.
idkyara _ lol no way..quality lol...Netta was vocally better than Estonia or Albania or even Germany u want to say? jury voted like well jury..politics is all. Voting for Austria was safer than voting for the the bigger threats.
I respect different opinions but I just don't get how someone can say that Italy's performance did nothing to them? Like do you have a heart, can't you see and feel their emotion?
I'd choose Lithuania anyday over Italy without having to think even a second. They weren't really singing, had a political message and the staging wasn't my type either. So probably I am one of those heartless ones on the Internet ...
+kessra how "you did not do anything to me" it's a political message??? how many dumb people are in this planet jeez read the lyrics and then come here to tell me the political message
I like the song itself, and I've watched the music video a lot as well as listning to it on spotify, but the guys singing it just seemed really... unsympathetic to me, so I wasn't a fan of the performance.
Fuego is still going to be a huge radio hit in Europe. I wasn't really surprise with Austria's result, the song was the best produced song this year. They could have won with an another starting position. I was happy with the public votes to Sweden, I guess the public knows that it is a Song contest and his song wasn't rly good. I was disappointed with the juries votes to Czech Republic, Mikolas deserved more.
Cypres was the usual boring Eurovision song with a pretty girl and some fireworks, singing a mainstream song. She was not bad at all, but surely not a winner. Just like Sweden or Austria were not winners either.
Claus Andersen when you say usual in europe, America converts that usual at a superstar. I mean, a chicken performance will be the hostory of eurocision. Where is QUALITY ? Winner like Bulgaria Estonia Hungary and Cyprus would make me proud
I could agree with Estonia, a well trained Soprano. But the other ones menitioned? All these songs are very different (Bulgaria (similar to Austria as produced by the same people) a boring RnB song, Hungary a hard rock/metal song that fears away the typical ESC viewer and Cyprus a 08/15 pop song with a Barbie doll in front with an oversexy outfit to distract from her vocal abilities) so how do you define being proud of something?
Kessra Hungary was by far quality this year. For me it should be at top 3. Maybe you dond like that genre but it was quality. Someone can even say it is clasic
not in my opinion :) And I sometimes listen to hard rock/speed metal and I'm also going to Wacken on a regular basis but it doesn't work in ESC for me. Sorry to hurt your feelings ...
Just trying to understand the outcome of this evening... I guess there are 3 groups out there: - people listening to the songs many times before the TV shows, they easily forget about their first impressions, changing their opinions quite often, connecting with each of the songs. - in difference: most voting people probably just watch the performances once or twice, being less able to build up connections to more than 3-10 songs, looking for some outstanding features (26 songs are quite a load of impressions). - the juries: I've watched ESC with friends, some of them working in music business and they quite enjoyed Austria's entry, saying this was outstanding, more subtle than others and still radio-friendly (just like Sweden). On the other hand, especially Sweden, Bulgaria and Australia were quite cold and impersonal, making it hard to build up a relationship within 3 minutes. But people with a sense for sophisticated/modern/correct sounding music (and (often) no interest in settings, danceability, politics,...) will not notice. The jury keeps some kind of objectivity and makes it possible that high-quality songs (that are probably more boring for many people) still keep their place in ESC, that's the songs people are buying, that's what the artists are living from. So, imo all the 3 groups have their spots in ESC, making it what it is, one missing part would cause damage.
I'm so happy that Austria won the jury vote, he was my favourite. Beside that though, I did not understand the jury vote. I'm surprised that Italy did not do better with the juries.
Its a matter of opinion of course, but a lot of people think that eurovision should be about making an impression on the people. When half the points come from a small panel of "experts" it's much easier to target aspects of the song to impress them in ways that the general audience member wouldn't care about. This leads to songs that aren't actually very good to you and me getting large amounts of points.
Basically the juries keep on pushing Sweden and Australia for some reason. And they ignored Denmark and Ukraine, which were clearly liked by the public. Netta wasn't my favorite, but I respect her victory because she won the popular vote. Whoever wins the people's vote is the winner in my book.
Each to their own I guess. I found the song pretty flat and without any punch. I wasn't drawn in even once. Don't get me wrong, there were quite a few worse songs (including the winner by the way) but I don't think Ukraine's was anything special.
Zulud0 I’m talking about the fact that Finnish jury gave Estonia 0 points while Finnish televote gave 12p. Same with Lithuania: jury - 0p and televote 12p. I’m just saying that in connection with what was mentioned in the video that the televotes and jury votes are completely out of touch with each other.
Renata Lukk Here in Swedish telvoters Denmark got 12 p but Swedish juries gave them 0 p and i think all nordic countries televote gave Denmark highest point but juries just ignored them. This juries system need to end. They are somewhere else that is impossible to connect.
I hope your lack of understanding of how IT 🇮🇹 came in top five derives from the same lack of understanding mine does. WHY ERMAL AND FABRIZIO HAD THE SAME DESTINY IL VOLO HAD? Why the hell jury does this to Italy all the time? I am Incredibly proud nonetheless. This was the proof of the message being transmitted and that is what mattered the most. You said in one of your videos, "i do not like it because this should not be a lyrics video it should be like San Remo performance" ..to be honest for them it is a lyrics video, because to transmit the message meant to have a successful performance.. so the comment about 🇮🇹 's performance doing nothing for you actually might have done something, reminded you sth was happening in our world and that was Ermal' s and Fab's definition of "doing sth to you" ✌️💖
Bella risposta - Ermal and Fabrizio perfetti. What is the difference between the language overlay with the LED graphics of Germany. I loved both songs but Michael's Staging William was the more cheesy. The Italian overlay worked on the level that languages are important and recognises that each country performing has a language other than English except for England and Ireland, Switzerland has 4 languages. Let's celebrate languages even if it is an overlay. Beautiful. Italian deserved 5th position and could have done better had the jury vote been better. What is the bias towards Italy on behalf of the jury, and this is something that has been noted for many years. Marco Mengoni,'s L'essenziale deserved better than 6th position...Il Volo was robbed, Gabbani last year... The jury needs to do better.
L'essenziale, Grande Amore, Occidentale Skarma, and now Non Mi Avete Fatto Niente... Too many times the jury has ignored Italy. Time for Italy to come top.
At least televoters recognized this beautiful masterpiece. Italy was only 4 points behind Cyprus in the televote :) but I agree, I mean just look at the UK jury: 4 out of 5 people in the UK jury placed Italy LAST. They seriously thought it was the worst song in the competition. That's not a competent nor fair judging of actual quality. That's just nonsense. The useless jury have proved they do not belong in ESC anymore. It is time for change.
This year was so messed up. Finland was probably the most robbed entry this year while Sweden was so overrated by the jury with a less than mediocre song that in my opinion lacked any character. The juries are clearly biased towards Sweden no matter the song and something should really be done about it.
Spain was so excited this year with Eurovision, everyone knew about Amaia and Alfred. Now, other bad result for Spain. I think many people won't watch Eurovision next year in Spain. It has been a deception. But I am proud of Almaia, they did a good performance. Spain, hurry Up, we will be stronger next year! GO SPAIN🇪🇸💪
Biggest Suprises: -Czech Republic and UK getting very few points from the juries -France and Sweden getting many few votes from the public -Portugal scoring last position -Austria winning the televote
The jury system is diabolical. Greece & Cyprus, Montenegro & Serbia, etc., as well as the fact that they are out of touch with the public. I work in assessment and I design scoring rubrics and I train raters to score using those rubrics. Each juror should have a rating sheet with individual criteria for each area of assessment, such as those to do with vocal performance, the song and the stage performance. They should then mark each of these individually and provide a justification. At the moment, there’s no means of asking jurors to justify their vote, so there’s no accountability and the system is wide open to corruption and bias.
Well, as a swede, I’m not surprised at all that Ingrosso fell deep with the public vote. It’s the kind of song that is visually okay, but it’s thin as ice in spring, when it comes to the song itself. A song that’s get played in the radio at 2am, to offend nobody. The juries is clearly out of touch with the audience, but I was pleasantly surprized that Austria got high scores from them. For me, Israel have been a great contender, and is truly a worthy winner. But Bulgaria, Hungary and Italy were the winners for me.
Because he was technically probably two to three steps ahead of the rest of the field (except for Estonia probably). The song is pretty much radio-friendly in all of the 43 countries as well. With half of the songs not even requiring singing (in a song contest ...) someone should question what "songs" the competition should include. Probably a couple of "artists" wont have their voice for very long if they continue what they're doing. But who cares in times where the quick fame is more important than the long-term goal ... But yeah, Austria winning the juries vote was a bit of a surprise actually. Would have placed it among my top 5 jury wise (just ranking it by radio friendlieness and actual siniging technique) without including any visuals.
Ok, I'd like to address, that I voted NEITHER for Israel or Cyprus. I really missed out on something, since I didn't know Cyprus got so much hype. I had very unpopular votes: Lithuania, Estonia and Denmark. Either way, I'm happy for Netta and Israel for winning! And if you had an unpopular vote, please reply what it was!
I've defended the juries for years, but they did almost nothing right this year. Overhyping Sweden and Austria, giving nothing to Hungary, Denmark or Italy. Ranking Ukraine last. Every year, there's typically a jury favorite that I like a lot, but even the "jury bait" songs I liked like Germany and Estonia still did pretty well with the televote anyway. Not as well, obviously, but not enough for me to be upset. Even Lithuania, a song that I thought would get nothing from the televoters (relatively speaking, I didn't expect nul points) got basically the same with both. For years, people complained about the televoters voting for cheesy meaningless songs, but it seems like the juries have become addicted to overly polished songs without much meaning. Very interesting to think that, at their core, both juries and televoters like meaningless songs, but in a different way.
Haha excellent comment ;) seems both juries and televoters want 'fast food music' just different, some want KFC while others go for the McDondals. Real and raw emotion (from for example Italy and Hungary) is left behind. At least Italy got a high televote score, it saved the entire contest for me.
Actually, now that I think about it, the juries did give a lot of points to Albania, while the televoters didn't give them much. Albania wouldn't have even qualified if not for the juries. So, I guess that's one good thing they did. I have no idea how they could hype up Australia and Sweden so much, yet ignore the passion and emotion from Hungary and Italy (Hungary wouldn't even have made it to the final if the jury had their say, so there's that). I'd say a better comparison would be that, continuing the fast food metaphor, the juries love Taco Bell, while the televoters love McDonald's.
Congratulations to Netta from Israel. A very well deserved Victory. She presented her Hio Hop-/Oriental influenced Song very well - and it could become finally a big Hit again AFTER the Eurovision Song Contest. Happy that Michael Schulte from Germany did so well with his wonderful touching Song and Performance. It was a great Eurovision 2018 with a lot of great Songs. Strong Melodies. The first big Break with the DJ Set and Singers was my favorite Music Section coming from Portugal.
I don't know if I'm the only one, but the most of the comments I'm reading are like "omg, Cyprus deserved to win Eurovision", "Eleni was robbed", etc. Yes, I cannot deny that the song has good summer vibes, but the song itself is just okay. She was more dancing and good looking on stage than a good singer. Moreover, Eurovision give different artists the chance to show people how unique they are, and the only thing I can say is that Eleni was more a Beyoncé wannabe. At that last point, Netta has won the competition in my opinion (To be honest, she wasn't my favourite, that was Ukraine, but she just deserves it)
50/50 is the best way for voting. People might not agree with the jury but they bring some kind of balance. Just look at Australia and Malta. Examples of countries who did not deserve last in the televote and in the opposite way for Ukraine and Italy who were helped in the televote. No system is perfect but it's working for now.
This Eurovision was a total joke! Crazy jury voting & strange televoting, leading to non-sensical results. Cyprus deserved to win, Bulgaria, France and Hungary deserved much better!!
Agree. Usually I only hate the jury voting but this year the televote was a disaster as well. France was my favorite and deserved way better then 13th 😫 Bulgaria, Hungary, Italy,... also deserved better!! And yes, Cyprus deserved to win.
People cant understand the fact that if you like a song it doesnt mean that everyone is also liking that song??? Clearly most of europe liked netta more then eleni we cant change that thats a fact... i wanted bulgaria to do well in the televote a lot of people cleraly disagreed with me and thats fine!
You should be happy that Albania scored 11th place. Last time Albania did so well was in 2012. There were many good songs this year, so Albania deserved it. But i wanted to be in top 10
Really juries, I mean... Really? Worst jury vote ever. Also I suggest Cyprus to quit Eurovision. No matter how good of a song you send you will never come first.
*StartRecording:* _"I don't see how people like it so much, it honestly baffles me quite a lot."_ - Probably most of those people only watched the official video(s).
i am actually not suprised austria won the jury vote, because its a really radio friendly song and he is the best male singer in my opinion in eurovision this year, so i knew austria is going to do well in juries (maybe not 1st but like top 5) and i also predicted them 10th-15th in tele vote, because the song is not really something unique.
I'm proud of Hungary no matter the result. They were the best for me. So sad that most of the people can't understand the values of metal music. Love you AWS ❤🤘
Oh for goodness sake, Austria would have been a fantastic and deserved winner and much better than any of the two first places. And the juri is just as important as the televotes so you can get over it already
rachelladiary I have no problem with Israel at all and I think the song deserved to win but a lot of people will not like that it is in Israel, look at what happened to Lorde
Israel was the clear winner , the wow factor of hearing it at the first time is overwhelming, they also won the semifinal, Cyprus song was the best generic song very catchy and 2nd place doing just to it. The viewers gave Neta huge lead over all the rest
i don't understand Austria jury vote win neither , i mean , lets talk about quality, there were some songs and some voices which were by far better. Honestly , i prefer Eurovision how it was years ago without jury vote
No offense but Cesárs Voice was on point today and he is one of the best singers this year ! So saying „by far“ is a bit off when it comes to his voice
I disagree , and apparently , most people in Europe. And if Eurovision continues like this, people will stop watching, because , you vote you want to see someone you actually voted for to win, or at least get a good rank, i am not saying it was bad, it just was extremely mediocre, as a song as a voice as a performance.
so you tell me that until the jury votes were added , Eurovision winner would alway win because of that phenomenon ? If people like something they vote for it, look at history of Eurovision and you will understand. Otherwise , we can ban people voting totally , and let people decide who actually studied music, who actually had a career , people of different music styles . But like this , it won't survive long.
Of which they where? Estonia with a well-tranined Soprano, OK fine with her. But who else could "really" sing? Plenty of acts where more screaming (or trying to show-off) than actually singing. Half of the songs (including Austria) where forgettable Radio-friendly Pop or RnB songs with meh messsages. A handful of ballads (Lithuania, Germany, Irland maybe Albania) and the remaining songs can't be grouped together easily. Out of these 43 songs that took part in ESC 2018 probably only one or two songs will survive the contest and get played on local radio anyways. In contrast to your fuss about jury votes, I don't understand televotes also - Italy should have placed 3rd by televotes. Really? I just listened to the song againg and no, if this deserves 3rd place then Austria deserves 1st place by jury votes as well. Maybe the attention span of the average European couldn't just rembember the start of the contest compared to the last entry of the competition. Anyways, same discussion after each ESC. Things will never change with the current rules. What might help is to increase jury sizes to like 10-15 people to flatten out outliers (like Austria and Sweeden obviously) and count every vote by the public not just the top ranked ones per country.
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There were some crazy differences between jury vote and televote.
Yes, the jury was given 11 points (and this is the last 26 places) and viewers 7 place difference 19 positions
I loved it! Made for an interesting night.
Tastes vary
I really don't understand the high points for Austria
Happy that Spain got what they deserved for this fake cheesy entry
Paul Roberts I slightly doubt the academic approach of juries considering what kind of random people are in them. At least the public could stop Austria from a undeserved victory
same as last year and I bet same as next year... somehow it seams to be normal that way. but the preferences of the jury are rather surprising considering how they did vote the last two years.... what ever, the discussions are the same every year. that should tell us something
Ukraine is last in jury vote! That's ridiculous!
You must like fireworks then.
I think it was just an unfortunate case of it being 11th+ place all the time, and honestly, with the quality this year being in the top 15 is honestly a great result.
As it was first in the starting order it might got forgotten by the end. And to add to that, I didn't like the performance and staging that much TBH. The song is okayish but I won't listen to it often after today also
Not ridiculous. He doesn't understand English and can't speak English so how on earth can you sing English.😂
Saara Aalto again second! But this time second to last. Oops.
I think that was the saddest part of this year, i mean im really starting to doubt the professionality of the juries , this song was original , great voice , great performance, and not mainstream for gods sake. I understand if people dont vote for something , cause they vote often too political , but juries , why the hell did we put you there ?
I voted for Saara, xxx from Israel!
There were better songs that didn't passt semifinals than Finland.
That surprised me too! I think she did so well, and was expecting her to come in top 10. I voted for her too.
Think that is an effect of being in sort of the same genre as Israel and Cyprus, people how liked that type of song had stronger songs to vote for.
Who was robbed by jury is Ukraine. I was just shoked, as it seemed that the juries just did not watch or listen to Ukraines performance. I am not a melovinator, however he was good and his vocals were on point. Top 10 from televoters and last for jury. It looks like they need to be replaced.
Also the thing about countries finishing on high spots with jury and vad results from public vote. It is just unbeliavable and sad same time.
Best wishes from very sad ukrainian. And Melovin, you need to know that you are awesome!
Kateryna Picaros i
Jury punished Ukraine for last year's scandal with not letting Russian contestant in (who broke Ukraine's law). Melovin had one of the best entries! Jury are so political and corrupted
The whole jury voting is a crime this night! I'm so sad for Melovin! He deserved to be in Top10
Dmytro Novashok i agree.
agree, that was unnecessarily cruel of jury to disregard Melovin so much, especially that vocally he's one of the best, if not the best of all participants
I agree
100%
Oh thank God there is a jury - for cases like this. That song had anything but the sound and deserved to stay in semi-final.
Sweden's jury result is outrageous.
Austria's jury result is unexpectedly high. Like... I liked his song and wanted him to do well, but 1st place??? Seriously?
Australia being last place in the televote is hilarious :D And I can't even say that it was undeserved. She just couldn't control her vocals.
Ukraine and Denmark being so low with the juries is outrageous.
That one jury that gave Norway 12p should be ashamed of themselves.
Czechia did so well in the televote, super happy for him!
Albania was 7th with the juries!!! I'm so pleased with that! :)
Germany on 4th place overall! Thanks to everybody who voted! We really needed that
Thank you from Israel 🔝🇮🇱💙
fully agree!!! FIRE THE JURIES!!
How German televote voted? I'm curious haha. 12 to Israel or Czech Republic?
Nutzername92a I agree on Denmark that was some bullshit result they got from juries. Same to Ukraine
The juries are definitely a problem!!! Sweden really over Estonia? Norway 12 points?!!! Wtf
The jury seriously needs to be questioned.
E B Okay that is really wired but other then that what was wrong with televote results at least top 5 songs was more diverse compare to rigged juries top 5 was just pop song.
They killed Rasmussen like what is this bs system remove that i rather see Europe to decide ( beside Isreal this year ).
No, the jury is MEANT to disagree with the public vote. If anything, this year's results proves that the juries need to be kept.
I've defended them for years, but they really didn't do much right this year. And when they did, the televote usually agreed with them mostly. No UK 2017 or Czechia 2016 in these results.
I think the voting should be entirely left to Juries. Israel is a disgrace to ESC.
George Rogers Should generic radio filler songs like Sweden or Austria win instead? I'm not a big fan of Israel, but it at least has more originality than those two.
The fact that all of you didn’t see Italy coming so high is a perfect example of the detachment between the press/jury and the public sentiment
Italy has always been a fan favourite, from the very beginning. And never gave in. If you saw in detail comments on TH-cam, Facebook, Reddit and other social media you would realize how big and compact Italy’s fanbase was. Plus the performance was very high impact, especially if you’re not an Anglophone and you read the lyrics in your language. If that isn’t a message of unity amongst all cultures I don’t know what else could be so. Truely one of the best performances.
Sorry for ranting but I just needed to pull all of it out of my chest.
YOU SAID IT PERFECTLY!!!! WELL SAID!! MAYBE SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE AT THE BACK!!! AND TO THE HATERS!!!
I gotta say I didn't like this year's song from Italy, BUT I really, really, respected them and their song, as well as I respect Italy as a country for performances and art overall so... I would NEVER understand the "hate" that exists from the juries to Italy...
I agree with your assessment - I like you have been reviewing the social media platforms and seeing a different story. Fans liked the Italian song very much. The official Italian video, (not the Eurovision one had 20 million hits...way more than Netta's 18 million. The performance is strong. The media did not get behind this song but choose the message from France to promote that. Williams interview with Ermal and Fabrizio was an intelligent one. The discrepancy between the jury and the telemeters for Italy was a stand out and I cheered the fact they came third. Europe got the message. Somehow others who have greater platforms did not project an accurate picture.
Yes the jury has a real bias towards Italy. I don't understand. Grande Amore deserved better!!! I am waiting for Eurovision to go Italia.
Italy has a "problem". It's called RAI. The Italian TV broadcaster is not interested in hosting Eurovision. If it was not for the jury, they would have to host the show every 2 or 3 years...that would be insane, so something has to be done to stop that.
There's a reason why Italy stayed so many years out of Eurovision, they came back in 2011 but the "problem" continues. You only have to see how popular their songs are among the public, if the jury voted the same way, then RAI the Italian TV broadcaster would be f"#$%&d.
Italy deserved to win!! Haha.. The jury vote tho.. Omg!!! But thank God for the televote.. So happy for Germany and Italy and also Albania!!!
Still don't understand, Austria won the jury's vote??? 🙄
i loved italys song , i consider it as quality, and by far better than most, i really dont understand the juries.
I agree. I voted for Italy... 😢
Italy's performance made me cry. Good job Italy!!!
I thought italys was kind of generic to be honest. Was not in my top 10. Had it about 15th. I just found other songs more emotionally convincing like Germany's. I was so happy that the Czech Republic did so well. Denmark and Ukraine I feel got cheated the most by the jury votes.
Adam Waite the one that i find very generic is the winner.. No offense.. Still love her and I'm glad she won the trophy but yeah, Italy is my winner... :)
And i agree, the jury vote didn't make sense at all.. Thank God for the televote..
Italy's performance was so powerful. Such strong song. Europe cleary saw that and I'm so happy!
well... the people in Europe at least... the juries were out to lunch when they were supposed to evaluate their performance apparently. Much like when Italy (again) with Il Volo were robed by the juries in 2015.
A good choice to finish the contest and spread their strong message!!
Sorry, didn't like the song at all ... Last years entries of Italy were so much better than that ...
Italy was just terrible ....
I absolutley agree with you.They also have strong message as Nettas song but you can see the diffrence.Italy performed real art and Toy was to overrated.
Personally i would have preferred Estonia, Cyprus or France, but I can't say Netta wasn't a worthy winner
What a nice comment. I wish all the people could be this tolerant instead of spitting their bile when their favorite is not #1.
I love Estonia and France very much too, and Eleni had a fantastic performance.
Thank you for being respectful instead of spitting your dummy out like most people on Twitter
Same... I love Estonia and Eleni was the winner For me... Before one week she was at 21 place and landed at 2...yas Girl
I agree with what you're saying. I was passionately rooting for Cyprus, but I'm also kinda glad that Netta won, it proves that the voting is not quite so predictable and generic. It's nice having something that's simultaneously cheerful, adorably chaotic and technically superb.
Having said that, I was sorry that Belgium and Greece didn't get into the finals. They and Cyprus were my favorites from the start and while they all significantly differ from each other, each was masterful in its own genre/theme. Estonia, too, the idea was clear and it was executed flawlessly.
U are kidding? Cyprus copies the First Part from Poli Genova...wtf...
So sorry for Melovin! he did a great job, and jury just robbed him. how is it possible to put him in the last place???
Dima Chernogod It's just outrageous
So surprised, that austria won the jury vote. It ws an ok/good song, but definitely not a winner.😂
Daniel Arnoldt Totally agree. It seem that was influenced by...s.th
feel the same way...although it was in my top 10 overall so they coming 3rd at the end feel good for me...
but sweden...
I think that the reason that the juries got behind Austria and Sweden was because of their songs' having the strongest potential to be successful outside of Eurovision. But even with that logic, I still don't understand why they were so icy towards Cyprus, since that struck me as the most radio-friendly track of the bunch. Was there a certain sexist double standard?
Jasper Cox
And why Czech Republic did bad then? That argument I dunno.
Juries just like boring generic songs in English I guess
Jasper Cox since when is 5th and then 2nd called icy treated??
I wasn't surprised by Netta winning, but I expected Cyprus to be the more likely winner. Finland came second to last, but this year, with these contestants, that was really as high as we could go with Monsters and the chosen staging. I enjoyed Australia's performance, the singer was so positive and happy.
No, I loved your song. Finland was so underrated like Sweden was so overrated. For me Finland was at the top 10.
Finland did suffer from being in the sort of the same genre as Cyprus and Israel, basically people who liked that type of song had stronger songs to vote for . Also I felt the staging was not very good sadly.
am17frans I agree with everything you just said.
Monsters same Bullshit as this chicken song.
JURY DRUNK!!!
Vlad D Public was drunk!
It just shows that Lipstick can be put on a pig!!!!
Rasmus Andersson
if there was only televoting Israel would have won by a much bigger margin.....it won the televoting hands down.
George Rogers
I take it pig you wear lipstick then?
As for Italy guys, I was watching ESC with 10 of my friends, none of us had Italy even in the top 10 leading up to the final, but after the performance we all scored them 12. I got chills all the way through, it touched me and especially the moment I saw their lyrics in Croatian on screen. They absoultely for me deserved even higher than 5th place. So sad for Almaia, they were in my top 10 for sure, as well as France. Jury needs to go. Sweden should've been in the last 5.
I cant believe that Austria won juries and that Italy was placed so low by the juries
I didn't expect to rank Austria that hight also. But common, Italy 3rd in the televotes? honestly? They just benefited from their last spot starting order IMO. But I didn't like the winner song as well. Would have perferred Cyprus, Germany or Lithuania.
An ideal jury would have ranked Italy France Albania and Estonia high but its not.I guess everyone has to live with such partiality. If not for juries Italy would be 3rd atleast
Kessra excuse me but Italy had such an important message! They were my winners and they could easily be top 3 if juries didnt rank it so low
Kessra well.... Europeans got the message behind our song.... judging from the few points televoters gave to Sweden it seems like the audience at home gave more importance to the lyrics than the staging.
Place Italy first in the running order and see if it still gets 3rd by televotes. I highly doubt that. The average attention span of a typical ESC viewer is probably limited to 3-4 songs even with the summary recap at the end. And please stop with the message thing, every song somehow conveys a message to some degree. At the end this is a song contest and not a we put (political) messages in songs competition. Sure it's a fine line to where political messages start and where "historical" events end and ESC has had such problems already in the past. In the end EBU should be more rigid to which songs are allowed to compete and which not.
The jury is crazy. Completely forgot Denmark, thank god for the televote put them in the top 10. And what happened to Ukraine???? It was SO good!! Deserved to be in top 5, if not winner
Have you seen Salvador's face when he gave the trophy to Netta? It wasn't the best moment of his life 😂😂😂
Peter Iszak YEZ THAT GIVES ME LIFE like he’s been smack talking about her and now he has to swallow his own words cuz she won
+Moop the Shark But why does he have to swallow his words? I'm pretty sure the only thing he had to do was to deliver the award to the winner. I'm glad that he showed enough respect for the eurovision to do it even if he didn't like the song that was chosen.
The fact that the top 2 with the jury didn't even come close to what the public picked was really strange.
I also don't understand how Austria won the jury vote, I REALLY like the song but it didn't scream Eurovision winner at all. This has been the most wacky Eurovision ever but to be honest, I'm loving it.
The only thing I liked about the jury vote is the intensity and how close it was.
Angelina K. agree, it was very exciting but I was so confused I just couldn't predict where the 12 points were going!
While we didnt deserve to win, Denmark placed second last (I think) in the jury votes but nr 5 from audiences. Again, I think a 5th place would've been pretty fair but the fact that the difference is so large makes you consider whether the jurys should even be there.
MaMastoast I feel like the juries will badly score any song that you couldn't see being on the radio. I feel like there needs to be a word, this is the Eurovision Song Contest not the Eurovision POP Song Contest.
CaraJane xx
This contest was created by European Television and Radio....so yes it should be geared towards songs that could actually make it into the charts and on radio and onto music tv stations....it is not a contest where songs should be played and then die after the contest is over.
It was so unexpected voting. I'm confused what to think. But what do You think about Ukraine being last with the juries? Cause this is totally unfair.
Politics. Last year scandal with Russia. But Melovin did great no matter what! Juries should be gone, they are even more political than contestants
the portuguese jury was very professional 12 points to Estónia
France again underrated 😖😞😢
hm, no? I would agree on 2015 but not this year
The most shocking thing for me is the fact that Ukraine was last in jury votes?! What the hell, he has such a good voice, performance was spot on, I just can't wrap my head around it! 🙄
🇵🇹 Portugal 😢😢😢
This is a very beautiful song that in no way deserved to be last.
Beautiful song, I voted, love to Jardin from.Israel
Bulgaria 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 why are you 14th
lola thebola Bulgaria win the best song from the professionals of the Eurovision, why this bad results in the show? Totally unexpected, shte done great performance.
I don't understand, Bulgaria was my favorite song, but the staging and the dresses killed it.
Bad staging.
The staging was not good?!
I agree
Reading the comments like: everyone robbed by everyone 😝
And too much discrepancy between popular and jury vote... why would that be a problem?
TheHikari36 That itself isn't problem. The problems are juries voting neighbors and radio friendly songs not the best package.
Isn't that their job to assess songs professionally, ie also radio friendly?
And my impression this is one of the least neighbour-friendly voting rounds ever due to so many blocs being ripped apart during semi-finals.
Maybe we should split the contest. One award from professional jury, one from the general public.
Sam Struyven so like 3 trophies. Public, jury and overall
That be kinda like in skiing 👌🏻
Exactly!
I’m surprised that Saara came 25th or SECOND Last. SHE IS STILL CURSED.
The curse lives on!!
ESC Dan song was not good
Damn... Portugal was last, Europe is cold.
So was Austria back in 2015 - even with 0 points which is more a slap into the face than 39 points Portugal gained
We're waiting for this result, not because it's a bad music, it's not, i love her, but because we're the host country, unfortunately. And that is what i'm saying to others, at least we made some points and not zero. :)
Im so sad Portugal came last... I didnt expect to win but hoped for a better position.
Nuno Judas with Salvador ‘a big mouth how can u be surprised. Your country winner to the Eurovision insults others freely. I am not surprised.
Thank you for admitting that nobody votes on the quality of the song. Congrats on your honesty!
I absolutely loved Denmark and so did the people at home (5th place!). Such a shame the juries didn't fall for it.
Totally agree with you Bertc2 . Loved Denmark and they actually won the semi final 2 but the jury gave them very low scores .
Kinda odd how our fellow scandinavian jurys didn't give us any points at all xD Considering the viking theme and all.
And why did that guy from the Israeli delegation aggressively push away Cesar as he tried to congratulate Netta?
Very rude and uncalled for, as if he were a beggar or a mugger.
A few delegations had special protection due to security concerns. After the stage invasion, I guess some of the agents were even more on the edge. That guy probably didn't even noticed it was Cezar (or rather, didn't even know who Cezar or the other contestants were - he was just securing the perimeter).
That guy is the toy song writer...
Actually if you watch the video you can see they greet each other later.
Yup. Incredibly rude.
Zoe Kouf This is not true. In Israel there is a large community of blacks and they are an inseparable part of the public and the government.
By the way, According to the Bible, Moshe Rabbeinu was married to a black woman
GO ON GERMANY! From the UK but I'm so proud of Michael. But despite coming 24th, SuRie was so professional and what a woman!
Germany should win!
“Eurovision is a lifestyle, it’s not just for one night!” Love it Padraig!
My winner is France 🇫🇷 It's really odd that they did so poorly with the jury while Sweden did so well! Why don't they reward quality songs? Seems a bit pointless to have the jury vote, after all 😑
Agree, Sweden was nice, but nothing special, always the same....France presented a quality song....so sad...this contest was a step back, just happy my country Germany did so well!
Completely agree! I was so sorry for France... you song was both meaningful and catchy. But being Italian I am used to juries not getting our songs at all... yet I am very sorry that televotrrs didn't get it either... weird!
So happy for Germany though! Well done Michael!
Gotta be honest, I didn't think the French song was catchy at all, but it was well performed. Sweden's seemed comical to me, the guy didn't have the smooth aura it takes to pull off a song like that.
Sweden doesn´t understand Music. Bulgaria is still BEST.
I gotta say I didn't like this year's song from Italy, BUT I really, really, respected them and their song, as well as I respect Italy as a country for performances and art overall so I would NEVER understand the "hate" that exists from the juries to Italy...
Our opinion on the Italian entry is in agreement: don't care for the song as just a song but I respect their message and what they want to convey to people and is thus actually quite happy that the televoters felt what the juries didn't.
Thank you but I think Italians would wonder what's wrong with the world if juries gave us points!
mimmi brontola lol why?
Caro H never got many points with juries apart from 2011and always rescued by the televote.
mimmi brontola oh I understood wrong. Yeah! When will you get their support as you deserve...? I sooo want to go to Rome and live eurovision there! 😍🇮🇹
What's wrong with the judges? Mélovin's performance is one of the best! 😭
The worst song in the final together with Sweden. Just another set of fireworks and dancing chicks.
They robbed him... If not jusries, he would be in top-7 according to lelevote
Jury killed Hungary as usual
I got used to it but Australia finished higher than us made me shooketh
Congratulations Bulgaria, you inproved a lot since the first semi!
Cyprus and Israel, well done Girls❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Outside the ESC bubble.
European ITunes Song Sales 2018/05/14
1 Calvin Harris, Dua Lipa - One Kiss
2 David Guetta & Sia - Flames
3 Eleni Foureira - Fuego ☺ 1
4 Ariana Grande - No Tears Left to Cry
5 Selena Gomez - Back to You
6 Rudimental - These Days
7 Cesár Sampson - Nobody but You ☺ 2
8 Netta - TOY ☺ 3
9 Michael Schulte - You Let Me Walk Alone ☺ 4
10 Childish Gambino - This Is America
Portugal, Hungary, The Netherlands, Ukraine, Bulgaria deserved better :( Israel was so good, but did not deserve the first place :( Estonia is my winner
Italy, Germany and Austria were the best. Why Israek won? I honestly don't know why. Another year that i hate televoting, OMG!
Next year I really hope they do something with the juries! Each year they're getting worse and worse!
Fair enough this year Israel did manage to win overall, but who knows what will happen next year? I mean as you said in 2016 Russia didn't win overall even though that's what the majority wanted! This year the difference between the juries and the televoters where just ridiculous tbh!
Sweden - 2nd with the Jury, 23rd with the televoters
Denmark - 21st with the Jury, 5th with the televoters
Ukraine - 26th with the Jury, 7th with the televoters
Austria - 1st with the Jury, 13th with the televoters
and a couple other ones as well.
You forgot Italy - 17th with the Jury, 3rd with the televoters
I hope they do something about the televotes. Austria deserved the win in my opinion. Or Germany who was also great.
Well to be fair that is just your opinion. Personally, I think Slovenia should've been in top 10 but I'm in the minority and I think you might be as well :/ The televoters clearly showed that they didn't want Austria or Germany to win so I don't see why they should change anything with televoters. Still Germany and Austria ended up very high so well done to them! :)
We respect the result! Congratulations to Israel and Netta! Sure, I am very dissapointed Eleni with Fuego 🔥 came second, but we are also very grateful! Cyprus winning the 2nd place is an amazing achievement! Thank you all for your support! ❤️🇨🇾
The difference between the jury and the televote was a wow. I'm so happy for Italy, Cyprus, Germany,, Czech Republic and Denmark. It was a nice surprise to see Denmark in top 5, Italy in top 3 in the televote.
i kinda understand Austria being so high. he def has one of the best male voices in the competition and he seemed very professional and relaxed on stage and then the song is quiet radio friendly. Cesar got the same televote as Israel in the semi final, so it's not just a jury's song.
cosyPillow you are right!
The juries were impressed by Cesar's vocals and on paper, it's a good song. The whole package with the staging was too boring for televoters and that's why they tanked in the televote.
Fabio Vecchio juries vote for quality, televote for popularity
i fell asleep in the middle of the song. i've heard thousands and thousands songs like that. boring.
Wladimir Rattia They don't judge who is especially good at showboating.
idkyara _ lol no way..quality lol...Netta was vocally better than Estonia or Albania or even Germany u want to say? jury voted like well jury..politics is all. Voting for Austria was safer than voting for the the bigger threats.
Fabio Vecchio #nomorejuries
Probably the most strange Eurovision voting EVER. So many differences between jury and televote, and so many surprises.
Thank you for all !!! Love ! "Wonder NETTA don't you ever forget you are the WINNER and he about to amazed ..."
I respect different opinions but I just don't get how someone can say that Italy's performance did nothing to them? Like do you have a heart, can't you see and feel their emotion?
I'd choose Lithuania anyday over Italy without having to think even a second. They weren't really singing, had a political message and the staging wasn't my type either. So probably I am one of those heartless ones on the Internet ...
Kessra not political but social message and yes you have no heart the lyrics made people cry 😢
+kessra how "you did not do anything to me" it's a political message??? how many dumb people are in this planet jeez read the lyrics and then come here to tell me the political message
I don't like when somebody give me to straightforward message on my face and tell, what ecxatly feel in the moment. They tried too much for me
I like the song itself, and I've watched the music video a lot as well as listning to it on spotify, but the guys singing it just seemed really... unsympathetic to me, so I wasn't a fan of the performance.
Fuego is still going to be a huge radio hit in Europe. I wasn't really surprise with Austria's result, the song was the best produced song this year. They could have won with an another starting position. I was happy with the public votes to Sweden, I guess the public knows that it is a Song contest and his song wasn't rly good. I was disappointed with the juries votes to Czech Republic, Mikolas deserved more.
Ukraiineeee😟
No i am not pleased with the results
Hungary, Lithuania, Bulgaria
And Cyprus deserved it. It was so profesional, modern and international
Cypres was the usual boring Eurovision song with a pretty girl and some fireworks, singing a mainstream song. She was not bad at all, but surely not a winner. Just like Sweden or Austria were not winners either.
Claus Andersen when you say usual in europe, America converts that usual at a superstar. I mean, a chicken performance will be the hostory of eurocision. Where is QUALITY ? Winner like Bulgaria Estonia Hungary and Cyprus would make me proud
I could agree with Estonia, a well trained Soprano. But the other ones menitioned? All these songs are very different (Bulgaria (similar to Austria as produced by the same people) a boring RnB song, Hungary a hard rock/metal song that fears away the typical ESC viewer and Cyprus a 08/15 pop song with a Barbie doll in front with an oversexy outfit to distract from her vocal abilities) so how do you define being proud of something?
Kessra Hungary was by far quality this year. For me it should be at top 3. Maybe you dond like that genre but it was quality. Someone can even say it is clasic
not in my opinion :) And I sometimes listen to hard rock/speed metal and I'm also going to Wacken on a regular basis but it doesn't work in ESC for me. Sorry to hurt your feelings ...
Just trying to understand the outcome of this evening...
I guess there are 3 groups out there:
- people listening to the songs many times before the TV shows, they easily forget about their first impressions, changing their opinions quite often, connecting with each of the songs.
- in difference: most voting people probably just watch the performances once or twice, being less able to build up connections to more than 3-10 songs, looking for some outstanding features (26 songs are quite a load of impressions).
- the juries: I've watched ESC with friends, some of them working in music business and they quite enjoyed Austria's entry, saying this was outstanding, more subtle than others and still radio-friendly (just like Sweden). On the other hand, especially Sweden, Bulgaria and Australia were quite cold and impersonal, making it hard to build up a relationship within 3 minutes. But people with a sense for sophisticated/modern/correct sounding music (and (often) no interest in settings, danceability, politics,...) will not notice. The jury keeps some kind of objectivity and makes it possible that high-quality songs (that are probably more boring for many people) still keep their place in ESC, that's the songs people are buying, that's what the artists are living from.
So, imo all the 3 groups have their spots in ESC, making it what it is, one missing part would cause damage.
I couldn't agree more :)
Agree!
Italy deserved to win...jury is out of this world
I'm so sad that Cyprus didn't win this year
She WON the BEST PERFORMER Award already!
TheHAPPYalix also best wig reward
She won the athletics award they are having a new category: hair throwing
Daria :3
Maybe next time, see u in Jerusalem next year
I'm so happy that Austria won the jury vote, he was my favourite. Beside that though, I did not understand the jury vote. I'm surprised that Italy did not do better with the juries.
Why the jury's results being different from the public is a problem? What's the point of having them if they have to follow the televote?
Agree!
Its a matter of opinion of course, but a lot of people think that eurovision should be about making an impression on the people. When half the points come from a small panel of "experts" it's much easier to target aspects of the song to impress them in ways that the general audience member wouldn't care about. This leads to songs that aren't actually very good to you and me getting large amounts of points.
Basically the juries keep on pushing Sweden and Australia for some reason.
And they ignored Denmark and Ukraine, which were clearly liked by the public.
Netta wasn't my favorite, but I respect her victory because she won the popular vote. Whoever wins the people's vote is the winner in my book.
So unfair for Ukraine. So sad. They deserve at least to be in first 10. Eurovision died for me after this.
So unfair to many amazing songs actually
Yes true.
Each to their own I guess. I found the song pretty flat and without any punch. I wasn't drawn in even once.
Don't get me wrong, there were quite a few worse songs (including the winner by the way) but I don't think Ukraine's was anything special.
MaMastoast well that’s your opinion.
Maybe its just me but i dont know what is so special about ukraine this year? i really liked the coffin paino thingy tho !
Estonia was totally robbed by the jurys. Still, 8th place is good!
exactly
Estonia got more points from jury. What are you talking about?
Zulud0 I’m talking about the fact that Finnish jury gave Estonia 0 points while Finnish televote gave 12p. Same with Lithuania: jury - 0p and televote 12p. I’m just saying that in connection with what was mentioned in the video that the televotes and jury votes are completely out of touch with each other.
Renata Lukk Here in Swedish telvoters Denmark got 12 p but Swedish juries gave them 0 p and i think all nordic countries televote gave Denmark highest point but juries just ignored them.
This juries system need to end. They are somewhere else that is impossible to connect.
even if estonia got in second place, shed still be underrated. there is only one place for elina in eurovision
I think it's really bad form that Cyprus and Israel juries didn't give each other anything, they are completely playing games.
Catriona I’m Portuguese but must say we saw the same shameful thing last year with Portugal and Bulgaria... so it’s nothing new here...
It has nothing to do with that...Cypriots didn't really liked Israels song way before fuego became a favorite among many people
Well Cyprus was the first to give their votes and they gave Israel 0. This is an obvious statement why should Israel reward them back with points??
Whole contest is ridiculous.
SW SWiffen Jury points were decided the day before the final so it doesn't matter who announced their results first.
I hope your lack of understanding of how IT 🇮🇹 came in top five derives from the same lack of understanding mine does. WHY ERMAL AND FABRIZIO HAD THE SAME DESTINY IL VOLO HAD? Why the hell jury does this to Italy all the time? I am Incredibly proud nonetheless. This was the proof of the message being transmitted and that is what mattered the most. You said in one of your videos, "i do not like it because this should not be a lyrics video it should be like San Remo performance" ..to be honest for them it is a lyrics video, because to transmit the message meant to have a successful performance.. so the comment about 🇮🇹 's performance doing nothing for you actually might have done something, reminded you sth was happening in our world and that was Ermal' s and Fab's definition of "doing sth to you" ✌️💖
Bella risposta - Ermal and Fabrizio perfetti. What is the difference between the language overlay with the LED graphics of Germany. I loved both songs but Michael's Staging William was the more cheesy. The Italian overlay worked on the level that languages are important and recognises that each country performing has a language other than English except for England and Ireland, Switzerland has 4 languages. Let's celebrate languages even if it is an overlay. Beautiful. Italian deserved 5th position and could have done better had the jury vote been better. What is the bias towards Italy on behalf of the jury, and this is something that has been noted for many years. Marco Mengoni,'s L'essenziale deserved better than 6th position...Il Volo was robbed, Gabbani last year... The jury needs to do better.
The juries doesn't want Italy victory. It's so sad
L'essenziale, Grande Amore, Occidentale Skarma, and now Non Mi Avete Fatto Niente... Too many times the jury has ignored Italy. Time for Italy to come top.
At least televoters recognized this beautiful masterpiece. Italy was only 4 points behind Cyprus in the televote :) but I agree, I mean just look at the UK jury: 4 out of 5 people in the UK jury placed Italy LAST. They seriously thought it was the worst song in the competition. That's not a competent nor fair judging of actual quality. That's just nonsense. The useless jury have proved they do not belong in ESC anymore. It is time for change.
Every country who competed gave Italy points in Televote. How did the jury get it wrong? And they get it wrong on multiple occasions.
I think the EBU should do something with the juries it is clearly not professional and clean. Netta we love you!!!
Why was Portugal last? :(
This year was so messed up. Finland was probably the most robbed entry this year while Sweden was so overrated by the jury with a less than mediocre song that in my opinion lacked any character. The juries are clearly biased towards Sweden no matter the song and something should really be done about it.
I think Denmark was even more robbed.
I totally agree with you on this. Sweden is always positioned way to high regardless of the song.
Italy ans serbia biggest growers... Italy My favorite 🤤😔
Spain was so excited this year with Eurovision, everyone knew about Amaia and Alfred. Now, other bad result for Spain. I think many people won't watch Eurovision next year in Spain. It has been a deception. But I am proud of Almaia, they did a good performance. Spain, hurry Up, we will be stronger next year! GO SPAIN🇪🇸💪
Ismael Hernández Reche I voted five times 💛 from Slovenia
Thank you Spain for not giving a single point to your neighbours...
I cannot believe that Melovin was last place in jury. At least he was 4th in televote
Biggest Suprises:
-Czech Republic and UK getting very few points from the juries
-France and Sweden getting many few votes from the public
-Portugal scoring last position
-Austria winning the televote
if you don't understand why italy was so high in televote maybe you need to change your job!
The jury system is diabolical. Greece & Cyprus, Montenegro & Serbia, etc., as well as the fact that they are out of touch with the public. I work in assessment and I design scoring rubrics and I train raters to score using those rubrics. Each juror should have a rating sheet with individual criteria for each area of assessment, such as those to do with vocal performance, the song and the stage performance. They should then mark each of these individually and provide a justification. At the moment, there’s no means of asking jurors to justify their vote, so there’s no accountability and the system is wide open to corruption and bias.
Oooh, that sounds like a good method of doing the juries. Looking at it from all angles while still keeping it professional.
No, the Televotes are Diabolical. Only IDIOTS voted for the Chicken song.
Well, as a swede, I’m not surprised at all that Ingrosso fell deep with the public vote. It’s the kind of song that is visually okay, but it’s thin as ice in spring, when it comes to the song itself. A song that’s get played in the radio at 2am, to offend nobody. The juries is clearly out of touch with the audience, but I was pleasantly surprized that Austria got high scores from them. For me, Israel have been a great contender, and is truly a worthy winner. But Bulgaria, Hungary and Italy were the winners for me.
Thanks.
I'm so happy for Austria. Good job and well deserved Cesar!!!
Why do you keep hating on Italy? It caught my attention, made me quiet and touched my heart.
can the JURIES please front the media to explain WHY Austria won the JURY VOTE????NEVER SAW IT COMING
Because he was technically probably two to three steps ahead of the rest of the field (except for Estonia probably). The song is pretty much radio-friendly in all of the 43 countries as well. With half of the songs not even requiring singing (in a song contest ...) someone should question what "songs" the competition should include. Probably a couple of "artists" wont have their voice for very long if they continue what they're doing. But who cares in times where the quick fame is more important than the long-term goal ...
But yeah, Austria winning the juries vote was a bit of a surprise actually. Would have placed it among my top 5 jury wise (just ranking it by radio friendlieness and actual siniging technique) without including any visuals.
Kessra good explanation!
Ok, I'd like to address, that I voted NEITHER for Israel or Cyprus. I really missed out on something, since I didn't know Cyprus got so much hype. I had very unpopular votes: Lithuania, Estonia and Denmark. Either way, I'm happy for Netta and Israel for winning! And if you had an unpopular vote, please reply what it was!
I've defended the juries for years, but they did almost nothing right this year. Overhyping Sweden and Austria, giving nothing to Hungary, Denmark or Italy. Ranking Ukraine last. Every year, there's typically a jury favorite that I like a lot, but even the "jury bait" songs I liked like Germany and Estonia still did pretty well with the televote anyway. Not as well, obviously, but not enough for me to be upset. Even Lithuania, a song that I thought would get nothing from the televoters (relatively speaking, I didn't expect nul points) got basically the same with both. For years, people complained about the televoters voting for cheesy meaningless songs, but it seems like the juries have become addicted to overly polished songs without much meaning. Very interesting to think that, at their core, both juries and televoters like meaningless songs, but in a different way.
Haha excellent comment ;) seems both juries and televoters want 'fast food music' just different, some want KFC while others go for the McDondals. Real and raw emotion (from for example Italy and Hungary) is left behind. At least Italy got a high televote score, it saved the entire contest for me.
Actually, now that I think about it, the juries did give a lot of points to Albania, while the televoters didn't give them much. Albania wouldn't have even qualified if not for the juries. So, I guess that's one good thing they did. I have no idea how they could hype up Australia and Sweden so much, yet ignore the passion and emotion from Hungary and Italy (Hungary wouldn't even have made it to the final if the jury had their say, so there's that). I'd say a better comparison would be that, continuing the fast food metaphor, the juries love Taco Bell, while the televoters love McDonald's.
Deserved better squad:
Ukraine
Hungary
Finland
1000000% agree! Have the exact same list of super-robbed entries!
My favorites were France, Austria and Germany. I am happy but I think France deserved better.
Congratulations to Netta from Israel. A very well deserved Victory. She presented her Hio Hop-/Oriental influenced Song very well - and it could become finally a big Hit again AFTER the Eurovision Song Contest.
Happy that Michael Schulte from Germany did so well with his wonderful touching Song and Performance.
It was a great Eurovision 2018 with a lot of great Songs. Strong Melodies.
The first big Break with the DJ Set and Singers was my favorite Music Section coming from Portugal.
So Finland actually got more televotes than Sweden buy Sweden is 7th and Finland 25th. Something is seriously wrong.
How do we go from Salvador Sobral to this?
filipesgoncalves agree
easily
filipesgoncalves diversity!
Evolution :p
Have you seen Salvador's face when he gave the trophy to Netta? It wasn't the best moment of his life 😂😂😂
I don't know if I'm the only one, but the most of the comments I'm reading are like "omg, Cyprus deserved to win Eurovision", "Eleni was robbed", etc. Yes, I cannot deny that the song has good summer vibes, but the song itself is just okay. She was more dancing and good looking on stage than a good singer. Moreover, Eurovision give different artists the chance to show people how unique they are, and the only thing I can say is that Eleni was more a Beyoncé wannabe. At that last point, Netta has won the competition in my opinion (To be honest, she wasn't my favourite, that was Ukraine, but she just deserves it)
50/50 is the best way for voting. People might not agree with the jury but they bring some kind of balance. Just look at Australia and Malta. Examples of countries who did not deserve last in the televote and in the opposite way for Ukraine and Italy who were helped in the televote. No system is perfect but it's working for now.
This Eurovision was a total joke! Crazy jury voting & strange televoting, leading to non-sensical results. Cyprus deserved to win, Bulgaria, France and Hungary deserved much better!!
agree for Bulgaria, France ans Hungary 😔
Agree. Usually I only hate the jury voting but this year the televote was a disaster as well. France was my favorite and deserved way better then 13th 😫 Bulgaria, Hungary, Italy,... also deserved better!! And yes, Cyprus deserved to win.
Sorry, can't agree. Neither of the songs (except Cyprus) kept suck in my head.
sash1801 and Italy much .... much more!!
People cant understand the fact that if you like a song it doesnt mean that everyone is also liking that song??? Clearly most of europe liked netta more then eleni we cant change that thats a fact... i wanted bulgaria to do well in the televote a lot of people cleraly disagreed with me and thats fine!
I actually want jurors to stay in Eurovision but I want them to actually be non-biased, ACTUAL professionals.
Evac Koshi ye that wont happen
I just checked the names of the Danish jury and was astonished to see that most of them are well known musicians and song writers.
I'm happy for Albania coming 11th
Love the song
So very underrated!
H• Loika underrated but the best song...hes the winner...who cares about Eurosong? Political Organisation...
You should be happy that Albania scored 11th place. Last time Albania did so well was in 2012. There were many good songs this year, so Albania deserved it. But i wanted to be in top 10
Natasa Nikolic I know! Exactly!
H• Loika :) I was reffering to Bekim.
thanks netta I love ❤ uuu song 🎶 its so sweet u are my first voted contestant love for making us happy making Israel great 👍 &happy again
Really juries, I mean... Really? Worst jury vote ever. Also I suggest Cyprus to quit Eurovision. No matter how good of a song you send you will never come first.
erinial gaming Tbh,unfortunately,that's very true. Also,Malta,San Marino,Macedonia should do the same
For me Israel's song is the worst winner since Azerbaijan's song in 2011. I don't see how people like it so much, it honestly baffles me quite a lot.
*StartRecording:* _"I don't see how people like it so much, it honestly baffles me quite a lot."_
- Probably most of those people only watched the official video(s).
i am actually not suprised austria won the jury vote, because its a really radio friendly song and he is the best male singer in my opinion in eurovision this year, so i knew austria is going to do well in juries (maybe not 1st but like top 5) and i also predicted them 10th-15th in tele vote, because the song is not really something unique.
All the people who had a Italy 2017 vision are now emberssed LOL
Yeah, I remember all those Gabbani-"experts". Where are you now? LOL
I'm proud of Hungary no matter the result. They were the best for me. So sad that most of the people can't understand the values of metal music. Love you AWS ❤🤘
Oh for goodness sake, Austria would have been a fantastic and deserved winner and much better than any of the two first places. And the juri is just as important as the televotes so you can get over it already
My top 4:
1. Israel
2. Austria
3. Germany
4. Cyprus
I couldn't believe that my top 4 finished in the top 4 positions! I am so happy!!!
I would chose Jury voting over televoting any time. Sorry, but at least quality songs and singers were valued.
The only reason I didn't want Israel to win was all the controversy that's gonna come now. Yikes.
They gotta FACE that controversy!!! Cannot hide from it!!!
Israel is my country. Jerusalem is my capital. Respect that!!
rachelladiary I have no problem with Israel at all and I think the song deserved to win but a lot of people will not like that it is in Israel, look at what happened to Lorde
TheHAPPYalix true
Kalen Oztopal Yeah same I just hate all the controversy and political stuff Eurovision is gonna come with now
Israel was the clear winner , the wow factor of hearing it at the first time is overwhelming, they also won the semifinal, Cyprus song was the best generic song very catchy and 2nd place doing just to it. The viewers gave Neta huge lead over all the rest
i don't understand Austria jury vote win neither , i mean , lets talk about quality, there were some songs and some voices which were by far better. Honestly , i prefer Eurovision how it was years ago without jury vote
No offense but Cesárs Voice was on point today and he is one of the best singers this year ! So saying „by far“ is a bit off when it comes to his voice
I disagree , and apparently , most people in Europe. And if Eurovision continues like this, people will stop watching, because , you vote you want to see someone you actually voted for to win, or at least get a good rank, i am not saying it was bad, it just was extremely mediocre, as a song as a voice as a performance.
so you tell me that until the jury votes were added , Eurovision winner would alway win because of that phenomenon ? If people like something they vote for it, look at history of Eurovision and you will understand. Otherwise , we can ban people voting totally , and let people decide who actually studied music, who actually had a career , people of different music styles . But like this , it won't survive long.
Of which they where? Estonia with a well-tranined Soprano, OK fine with her. But who else could "really" sing? Plenty of acts where more screaming (or trying to show-off) than actually singing. Half of the songs (including Austria) where forgettable Radio-friendly Pop or RnB songs with meh messsages. A handful of ballads (Lithuania, Germany, Irland maybe Albania) and the remaining songs can't be grouped together easily. Out of these 43 songs that took part in ESC 2018 probably only one or two songs will survive the contest and get played on local radio anyways.
In contrast to your fuss about jury votes, I don't understand televotes also - Italy should have placed 3rd by televotes. Really? I just listened to the song againg and no, if this deserves 3rd place then Austria deserves 1st place by jury votes as well. Maybe the attention span of the average European couldn't just rembember the start of the contest compared to the last entry of the competition.
Anyways, same discussion after each ESC. Things will never change with the current rules. What might help is to increase jury sizes to like 10-15 people to flatten out outliers (like Austria and Sweeden obviously) and count every vote by the public not just the top ranked ones per country.
So sad for France 💔