Eurovision 2024: The EBU hid booing during Israel's performance by adding fake applause (REACTION)
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- Booing was a major theme of Eurovision 2024 in Malmö. The crowds booed both Israel's Eden Golan and Executive Supervisor Martin Österdahl (presumably over Joost Klein's disqualification). And while the booing of the Eurovision boss came through the TV loud and clear, producers used anti-booing technology and fake applause at the beginning and end of Israel's performance in Semi-Final 2 and the grand final.
Now officials from European broadcasters have complained. Dutch broadcaster AVROTROS says "when a musician performs you should always show what it does to the audience.” And Nicolau Santos from Portugal's RTP said: “For an organization like the EBU, and for an organization like RTP and the European public media service whose flag is the fight against fake news, misinformation, and information manipulation, it is unacceptable that this is possible. Using this method distorts reality.”
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It was funny to witness Martin Osterdahl wearing noise-canceling headphones, anticipating booing and employing a 'safety measure' due to the emotional nature of the situation. Regarding the incident involving Joost and the employee, while the details remain unclear, I trust AVROTROS. AVROTROS had highlighted safety measures, EBU for sure has anticipated the consequences but they didn't care to respect their artist's safety
Or workers or journalists.
There was lots of booing for Osterdull on TV on Saturday, particularly when he read out the Netherlands' jury results.
They've let people hear that booing to give you a sense of democracy. Don't worry, that booing won't hurt him.
@@MultiSky7 To go is good.
@@MultiSky7 he's probably going to be fired so yeah I think it will
@@MultiSky7they couldn't hide it, because he was too close to the public.
Martins boos were obviously mainly about Joost.... because he didn't get booed in the semis as I recall
True. I was in the arena monday night and wednesday night. It was after the Joost Klein thing for sure.
I couldn’t even understand what Österdahl said. 😅
I don’t feel sorry for him because the EBU handled the whole situation with Israel and Joost so poorly.
Eurovision need huge repairs and changes
Yea. Like kicking out the biased judges and letting only the audience at home decide. 🤍🎗🩵
Hopp 🇨🇭
It needs clear game planning for all kinds of scenarios
@@MrKnowItAll2024No, as long as people are allowed to vote 20 times and producers manipulate the startpositions we should have neutralizing measures. And let's not forget people at home tend to favour circus acts, which keeps away serious artists.
yes don't let any country at war to compete to gain pity votes :D
Jendrik from Germany says exactly the same. The Anti booing system doesn't protect the artist, they hear the booing in the arena. He felt very disappointed about this manipulation. Every human beeing has to have the rights to show the real feelings.....
This is very interesting insight. Thank you!
Amen! This doesn't protect the artist!
Yup, that's called perception management. A mean to manipulate and distort reality, influencing you to form opinions opposite from what they really are. In concrete case, making you think that acceptance of Eden (i.e. Isr ..l) among people is much much higher than it is, while making these who protests looney tunes fringe minority.
It would make people sympathize with Eden Golan even more and she would have won the public vote.
It does protect the artists reputation tho. When established music artists participate and end up getting booed Infront of the whole ESC audience, its not a good look.
Portugal was under a dictatorship for more than 40 years, and the terrible memory of censorship remains to this day. It's understandable that this is a sensitive issue for RTP because the freedom of expression for which we fight so hard must be protected. In all situations, at all events, in all media.
Thank you for this information and perspective! I didn't know that!
Acordo! Agree! We were actually in a dictatorship for 48 years, including the military dictatorship. My parents were born in Portugal and all of my family is from Portugal. I have lived here for several years. We must never forget what our people have been through. Threats to democracy and freedom of expression still exist.
Eden Golan wasn't allowed to wear anything symbolizing the hostages, even though it's a humanitarian issue and not political, so why should Portugal be an exception?
@@triola3983 My comment was about the Portuguese broadcastar (RTP) position on the anti-booing system, which was discussed in this video.
@@TheTeresafs I understand, I am explaining the position of the EBU here. They wanted to avoid controversies (even though they didn't succeed).
I think the EBU had this response coming for a while, and Joost Klein's DQ triggered it. It's been an entire season of the EBU avoiding responsibility, ignoring concerns, restricting the freedom of expression, distorting reality, and treating contestants unequally. Having one of the public favorites disqualified only hours before the final - for reasons that are questionable at best - was the final straw.
Joost broke rules. Nothing to do with EBU. Israel deserved to be in Eurovision, they have done absolutely nothing wrong.
So was he really physically abusive towards the woman or not? Because, no one in their right mind and at least minimal amount of humanity should support woman abuser!!! Not now, not ever!!! It doesen't even matter where she is from. That's 100% irrelevant in the context of abuse!... OR was the Israeli delagation member/s violent towards Joost in bigger proportion in comparison to Joost's reaction and the EBU distorted the reality? Evidence, people!!! We need clear physical evidence out in the public not any biased overtly emotional outbursts of reaction with no legit non-biased witnesses nor evidence, because both scenarios are horrible! Only the first one is horrible for Joost.
In 2015, no one interfered with Russia’s performance. They booed only when the jury gave 12 points. Conchita Wurst sat with Gagarina and protected her. Russia was 5th on the jury's list, its no low. Basically there are a lot of questions.
Russia was even Conchita's favourite that year.
What did Eden Golan ever do wrong to be booed ????
Geez…please go educate yourself. It isn’t about her personally! These singers aren’t there representing themselves . They are there to represent their countries!
I'm sorry but let's remember that the song Israel sent had to have its lyrics rewritten twice before they were considered acceptable by the EBU and she was quite happy to sing the original lyrics if they had been allowed.
There's a clever narrative being put out there that Eden was some poor innocent young girl caught up in something political that she didn't understand. It's complete rubbish.
@@lisbondiaries9212Did they also boo Gagarina in 2015? Russia took Crimeea by force and didn't receive backlashvat Eurovision. Israel responded to an attack.
@@tomatoesarefruit3878 yes they did boo Gagarina. They also booed the Tolmachevy sisters back in 2014. The Tomlachevy sisters won the Junior Eurovision which makes them Eurovision royalty and they were still booed just because they represented Russia. It was shameful to watch.
@@lisbondiaries9212so they went against the rules and decide to protest, protests aren't allowed during the event, they will be censored, so what is the problem now?
I watched youtube online and booing definitely came through for Israel singer performance but also every time Israel got points from jury and when Israel's jury announced their results. But definitely the one that came through the loudest on youtube online was for Martin and honestly i thought it was because Netherlands disqualification essentially because he was announcing Dutch jury points. I agree with both Dutch and Portugese ponts on booing. It was definetly weird to hear it on Eurovision, but hiding problems is never the key to the solution is it ?
It was way louder and more United with Martin. With Hurricane (I heard some but not that many) it seemed that booers and cheerers were having a pingpong (choice of words intended and timely), and it made the contest scarier and more feral.
You coul'dn be more wrong... the booing was not because the song was bad... it was because it was israel... and that was absolutly wrong thing to do.
Eurovision is supposed to be apolitical, and the audience is supposed to respect the participants and not to hinder them from performing their songs.
If the audience boos one of the singers - this is a disturbance and a fundamental unfairness towards the competing singer and the competition itself. Therefore the EBU was absolutely right.
The claim that they increased the applause for the Israeli contestant is your invention.
In such an apolitical event, should contestants glorify their national army while it's busy killing people? Should a contestant say they want to join said army?
@@Eva-mp7xg She said that she will do that. She has to actually. Military traning is mandatory for both men and women in Israel. Shorter service for women than men.
@@missn7887 That's okay, but she didn't have to be vocal about it. At least not during the contest. Next time please leave your political baggage at home when going to a peaceful music contest, or if you cannot, then just please stay away.
@@Eva-mp7xg Yes everyone should do that, including the audience.
Booing can even be hidden, but it's a different thing to pump cheering noises, it's not a comedy show.
People didn't even boo because of the song... If you're going to boo a contestant just because of the country they're from, maybe do everyone a favor and "boycott" the event
It's a shame that Nemo's win was overshadowed by everything else.
Not only Nemo, but also all of the other artists.
Totally agree
@@meropale that is the one reason i was still watching, there was so much talent on that stage, one of the stronger years when it comes to artists and song, that is what made it all even harder...
Nemo came 5th. No one cares about this queer agenda and anti Israel political votes. This Jury VS public differences was wild. The winner is Croatia
Because Joost is a real winnaar not Nemo.
what is your point? do you want the event to be hateful but authentic..... isn't there an end to your antisemitism?
You were so good last year. This year we saw which kind of people are you and its sad
"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"
The jury's vote was also not honest with Israel. They simply ignored Israel and didn't follow the rules
Either they were not ready for Martin to get booed like that or the anti-booing technology works best when the primary output of sound is very loud, such as musical performance. That being said, he got booed a lot worse when he presented the jury points from the Netherlands; you could barely hear him there.
Didn't we also have this in 2015 and Russia? I don't recall as many complaints then, though I did complain for the same reasons at set out here. I want to hear crowd reactions, good or bad. Let's remember too that Golan had practiced performing while being booed. If she was prepared for it, we should hear it.
Yes! It was equally awful. The performer was in tears in the green room.
But it was done by a country that allegedly everyone loves! (Don't really know how can someone love present-day russia though)
@@GoodMusicManiac999 Noone does but people can sympathize when an individual becomes the scapegoat for decisions that their governent make. I do not support what neither Russia, Israel or Hamas have done. I just do not like bullying
@@missn7887But in the case of Russia, Polina Gagarina is one of the staunchest and most vocal supporters of the war in Ukraine. In fact her views are apparently so extreme that even some of Russia's biggest propaganda outlets are distancing themselves from her.
so... you won't condemn the hatred and the booing, but actually, you condemn the EBU for trying to contredict them...
you keep saying this year's ESC was a mess. should'nt you be happy there are some efforts being made to make it more positive and inclusive?
For me it was amazing how she did that performance with al that people screaming. My votes were for her ❤️💪
Had they left the booing heard by television viewers, Israel would have had even more sympathy votes by the televoters. I was scandalised by the bullying and bashing of Eden Golan, my votes went for her, plus I thought the song was beautiful and deserved to win
Even the fan média for the last few years.. Who misses the good old days in lisbon when susan and the Australian journalist used to draw the artists stagings ❤
🥹❤️👋
Well, if somebody goes into the performance *intending* to boo, it’s not a *reaction* to the song - if anything, it’s a prejudice against it.
I want to give them the benefit of the doubt: They edited the booing because they wanted that the people in front of their televisions can listen to the song and decide based on the song's quality, plus because this booing was political and not against the singer's voice, so in a way, the booing was irrelevant (I just try to think with the head of the EBU).
Benefit of doubt? LOL. No, this was purely political, just like their suspension of Russia was political . They want to say they aren’t political. Eurovision has always been political and uniting…it can be and is both.
@@lisbondiaries9212the suspension of russia is not political at all. If you included russia, can you stage a show (if ever they win) in a worldwide sanctioned country and fly artists over there and endanger their careers and lives? Guess not... 🤷🤷🤷
@@horridwilting640 It was completely political. What are you talking about???? The suspension had nothing to do with safety. Please educate yourself before making a comment regarding a topic you are obviously ill-informed about. EBU claimed it was because Russia broadcasting wasn’t following certain rules…nothing to do with safety. If it was about safety, why was Ukraine allowed to participate and win???? Wouldn’t have they been unsafe to put artists in a war zone?!?! So, what did they do? Have the contest in another country the following year! They could have done the same for Russia if they won: however, that wasn’t even the issue! By your own logic, how ISraEL participate then??? Are they not in a war, and it is unsafe there? It is a country being investigated by the ICJ. You are so wrong!! Stop it with this foolish rhetoric.
@@lisbondiaries9212 you are the uneducated. Travel to and from russia is currently mostly banned worlwide and couple that with freezed financial sanctions imposed on them and safety issues that they have. If you so want to travel to russia and stage the eurovision there then do so yourself and stop insisting on every decision of the ebu to be political. What a shallow minded you are. 🤷🤷🤷
I didn't understand, are you against booing, or just against censoring booing?
Booing? All I listened to was THE SILENT MAJORITY speaking: MORE THAN 300 POINTS FROM THE TELEVOTE!!! 3:08
Aren't they also, in a normal year, checking that the televote are ready? Than that would mean that the second "You're good to go" from Martin Österdahl was cut from the program...
Eurofans were a disgrace this year.
The booing was political and the EBU disqualifyed the Israeli song because of political reasons... The crwod didn't react on the performance but it was political.
I think booing can even add to a performance. What comes to mind for me is Iceland's 2006 entry "Congratulations", where the singer, Sylvia Night, was playing a very rude, stuck up and self centered character and it was very much an intentional part of the act to get a rise out of people who aren't in on the joke.
That didn't go very well at all. An Icelandic friend once told me that there was such an upheaval against her that for a long time there were people outside her house - nowhere near the arena in Greece, in Iceland! - waiting for her to come out. She got into serious trouble for quite an amount of time over a joke people didn't manage to comprehend.
The audience around the world was aware through every possible media channel of the harassment, the ignoring, the protests against the Israeli delegation, and even the loud boos. Of all the things that happened, this is what you chose to focus on? Why not dedicate a discussion to your blatant ignoring, to the harassment and protests from the participants themselves towards Eden? The audience is not foolish and ultimately made its (point) opinion very clear, despite the boos which sounded great.
Please can you give us some real examples when and how other participants were harassing or protesting towards Eden? Thank you
@@user-tg8ti5xg2l Shall we begin? After the second semi-final (in which Eden finished in first place) the representative of Greece pretended to be sleepy, yawning and bored while Eden was being interviewed. The Netherlands representative covered himself as a sign of protest while Eden was being interviewed and when she was asked an inappropriate political question and was told she didn't have to answer it he said "Why not?". The representative of Ireland said she cried when she heard that Eden and Israel had qualified for the final. And that's just 3 examples of them. A bunch of bullies against whom no action will be taken.
@@nonsensedreamer252 Harassment is a form of discrimination. It happens when someone experiences unwanted offensive or humiliating comments or behavior. There must be a link between the harassing behavior and that person's protected personal characteristics called prohibited grounds. I can’t see any signs of harassment in your examples.
@@nonsensedreamer252you mean when one of Israeli delegations were reported multiple times for harrasing other contestants? yeah think again on who the actual perpetrator was. We know who did what, but seems like the people on the other side of the fence didn't even bother to think about that
What about the constant harassment of a number of artists by the Israeli delegation? And actually harassment of other members of the press?
The EBU should not create an environment for booing. They made some very bad decisions this year.
I'm really glad that the booing was filtered out. It would have ruined my evening. Very sorry that Eden had to face it.
Eden Golan is so talented, brave, and beautiful!!! Definitely deserved to win! Too bad the “professional juries didn’t do their jobs.
The crowd decided to boo Israel as a political statement and not the performer because of who she is. It didn’t matter to the audience who the singer was or what the song was, so this wasn’t relevant for the Eurovision show, which did not involve politics. Besides that, I think that if the people at home were hearing more booing, it was creating the opposite effect and Israel was ranked even higher - so it was fair competition because of it
I agree. If the audience is booing a song because they don't like it or they don't like the artist it is one thing, but if the audience is booing a song because of the country it represents, measures need to be taken as this is absolutely unfair to be biased towards a person simply because of the passport they are carrying. The huge success of Israel in the televote was a combination of a truly good song the viewers genuinely liked, and the protests against the idiots who have decided to ruin the contest with their booing.
Eurovision is Non-Political. The booing of Israel is a political statement by people in the audience. I'm fine with it being covered up. The booing of Martin seemed to be more about removing Joost. That is not really a political statement and the booing should not necessarily be covered up.
As this event is not political, it means that Russia should participate too.
@@lenaye7146 Agreed
I think they decided to reduce the booing noise in order to make the people at home be able to hear the song
The booing was for political reasons and Eurovision is not supposed to be political...so why does it matter whether it's there or not?
Covering the booing is also a political statement
I found it slightly funny that they went straight to Petra and Malin doing the televoting sequence without getting the ‘good to go’ from Martin.
There were also less interviews in the green room this year. Strange...
If they showed the booing I bet she would get even more votes.
It was rigged.
It was the very right decision with anti-booing. The crowd in the arena wasn't judging the song but their attitude towards the country and its politics. For the average tv viewer that crowd noise would have negatively impacted the reception of the song, especially since that booing didn't apply to the way she sang it or to the song. It was only political reaction from the public which shouldn't be the case at a music competition.
The icing on the cake for this though was the counter voice to the loud minority, the worlds public loved the Israeli song and the public vote showed it.
@@VeggieManUK And yet still lost to Croatia in the televote despite an insanely extensive and desperate voting campaign.
@@VeggieManUK because of the insane amount of ads & the bought votes & the SM campaign where certain people that never watched ESC in their lives proudly declared to have voted multiple times when they hadn't even heard the song.
why was is necessary to open up the voting lines before the contest even began?
@@LeafHuntress sure, 40% of the Italian televotes where bought... Not even the Napolitans at San Remo this year accomplished that.
@@meslud I never said that. You clearly have a problem with reading, go back, read ALL of it, read it properly & THEN respond.
I also remember hearing booing whenever Israel gets points from the Juries. And when Greece gives 12 points to Cyprus and Cyprus gives 12 points to Greece in the past. My question is why are they just complaining now since this anti booing have been going on since 2015. And to the Netherlands and Portugal delegation, what happens if their acts get booed - are they ok if the EBU doesn't use that anti-booing sound?
Too bad they used it. I guess Eden Golan would have more votes if the didn't use it. 🇮🇱✌🏻
You think Israel would have bought more votes if they used it? I’m not sure about it. 🤔
Totally agree! Normal people don't apreciate haters.
Martin clearly booed at re removal of the Dutch act.
As a viewer, I am glad they blocked out the booing. The people who were booing have no manners and we shouldn't be disrespectful like that to a performer who is on stage doing their job. Also, as we can see from the televote results, the people who booed are only an extreme minority (a vocal, very loud minority!) and do not represent the majority of ESC viewers, so I am glad we didn't have to put up with that noise on our TVs.
Hi Israeli here. May get booed in the comments. Don't know if I care anymore.
This entire Eurovision was a very tough experience. I just told a friend it was like being banned in school again, only the teacher is looking away, because there is an unwritten understanding that not only it's ok to boycott me, but it is what you should do. I know it's representing a country, whose actions you may not agree with, and you may even think we're all killers.. but this is just a 20 year old girl going up on stage to give you good music and love. Why should people be booed, under any circumstances?
I do want to believe that the Eurovision tribe is one of love and acceptance of the other. Please recognize that your opinions of other nations and actions, no matter how pattionate, are still opinions, and could be driven from wrong information. Just as any person could be wrong. This is never an excuse to ban PEOPLE.
Also I'm very much a fan and a follower of your channel, and kinda excited to be here so early, still only 35 comments. I'm just also heartbroken simultaneously.
When Portugal and Spain participated for the first time back in 1969 there was an appeal to boycott those two countries. A man stepped on stage holding a sign that read "boycott Franco and Salazar". It's not new that artists are taken as representatives of a particular country or regime. Actually they ARE representing their own country rather than participating under their personal name. So, it's only "normal" that common people associate the artist with his / her country and, therefore, manifest themselves.
I get your point; however, Israel’s participation would be less dramatic if the Israeli delegion would keep a low profile. They acted as if they are the sole owner of the whole thing, mocking everyone and were the “spoiled child” of the contest. Their behaviour angered more neutral people and booing intensified from Thursday to Saturday. People have the right to protest, and you don’t have the right to classify those who protest you as an “anti-Semitic”.
@@yusufcankusgoz8712 ok I take your word as to the behavior of the Israeli delegation, since I wasn't there and can not know. If this happened, it truly is a shame. I Know there might be a tendency to see Israelis as waving a flag of antisemitism against every claim against us - it is pretty complex, actually, and often times wrong, but it is also often true. I don't know what "keeping a low profile" would have meant under these circumstances. Nevermind, if the delegation acted inappropriately I am very very sorry.
@@LiorTamir Do you know you are the first Israeli person I have seen trying to understand the other mentality for the last week, thank you for taking my comment into consideration. What I mean by keeping a low profile is basically not putting pictures of artists and calling them “anti-Semite” or showing the middle finger to the people who are protesting you (one of the dancers of Eden did this). I understand how traumatic Israeli public can be since as a Turkish person I’ve been to Israel twice and had Israeli professors during my education life. Even I was claimed as an anti-Semitic person due to my views on the issue. Your delegation needs to behave, behave, behave! Otherwise, Israel is going to be more isolated in people’s hearts, including the ones who supports Israel’s presence in Eurovision like myself.
@@yusufcankusgoz8712 You are however ignoring how other contestants were acting like bullies toward the Israeli delegation. A member of the Spanish delegation started booing Eden during closed rehearsals and then acted like he was being harassed when the Israeli delegation asked him to stop. If members of the Israeli delegation were to do that to any other contestant you'd have had their heads. If Eden was to pretend to fall asleep or barge in on an interview of other contestants we'd never heard the end of it, but when Marina and Joost did it no one batted an eye. If Eden were to say in an Interview that she was so sad she cried when she heard Ireland qualified you'd have called her a monster. But Bambie did just that and you clapped for them. Don't act like there wasn't insane double standard going on and a lot of forgiveness given to actual contestants who were all older than Eden acting like bratty thugs toward her.
But do not forget that the screaming savages in the arena should not interfere with the performance of the participants with their squeals, because Eurovision is also watched on television. As the result shows, Israel took second place in the audience vote. Therefore, the opinion of the savages from the audience does not reflect the opinion of all Eurovision fans
Totally agree with comments saying its a Shame the controversy and negativity overshadowed what Will probably remain the best year ever in terms of song and show quality...
2019 and 2021 were better.
@@Benji30 And 2023 was too. It's not that swedish productions are holy productions. Imho others surpassed them.
@@robbert89rl I honestly didn't like the production of UK, and Italy. But that's a matter of opinion I guess.
So where do we draw the line regarding "not distorting reality" - Applying to this logic shouldn't Russia and Belarus be able to return as members of EBU since their populations and local artists shouldn't be blamed for Putins actions? - Participating in the contest the audience might show their affection towards their performances but we should show reality as it is, right?
I think that Russia and Belarus should come back to the contest. Having them OUT and Israel and Ukraine IN the contest brings double standards (by the massive population who don't know the details) about Eurovision and I have a feeling that the Eurovision next year will suffer from less viewership.
Ok you two are silly .
The bulling wasn’t organic reaction to the artist if was Politically motivated by bunch of pro jihadists.
That you can’t see how unfair it was is crazy
I actually believe that all the boycotting and basically bullying of Israel did exactly the opposite - people had sympathy with Eden and wanted to support her even more. If we break it down, this is a SONG contest. Israels song and singer were beautiful so they deserved their result from an artistic point of view. The whole politics behind it are another thing of course. But I thought it was really unfair to bully the artist and I didn’t like how some artists acted disrespectful and childish against Eden. If you wanna be mad, be mad about the EBU allowing them to compete.
People knew they boo the song because of antisemitism. We heard the boos.
People pay 200 euro to boo a contests for her ethnicity. For her country.
The EBU should not let them go into the venue at all.
This was not because of the song.
Absolutely agree with AVROTROS and RTP's stand-point. I'm sorry to say but I think Martin Osterdahl's position is completely untenable.
I respect that this competition is between broadcasters and not governments but, when it comes to politics, there's a line that should never be crossed - Russia crossed that line in 2022 and Israel crossed that line prior to this year's contest. When those lines are crossed, action has to be taken so that they don't have the luxury to participate in the contest.
Eurovision is about love and coming together with people from across the continent. It's extremely sad that this wasn't the case this year. Prior to next year's contest, we need to see an overhaul in the organisation of the contest at EBU level otherwise we'll see a repeat of this next year when beautiful souls are begging for anyone but Israel to win.
The booing isn't the problem, the problem lies somewhere else. People didn't booh out of the blue!!
Booing is a problem and it is disrespectful and unfitting for the Eurovision. The problem lies in the lies you believe.
People didn’t vote out of the blue (or violet) either!!
Not the spirit. Politics don't belong here, but if you're talking anyway, educate yourself. Study the conflict, come visit, explore then talk
The State of Israel is the state of the Jews, always has been and always will be.
@@erangabay but several right wing politicians who even said never watch or follow ESC, urged people to vote for Israel. How is that not political voting?
@@erangabayPolitics does belong there . Music is inherently political! EBU wants to say Russia was removed due to noncompliance with rules…we all know that is not at all true. They were suspended for political reasons. The same rule should apply to all, including ISraEl. We all know the history. You are obviously from there. We aren’t uneducated or misinformed. We all see the truth.
Allowing booking and accepting bad behaviour from audience and participants, such as the bullies Joost and Barbie Thug among others toward Israeli Eden Golan.... Well, that will be the end of Eurovision. Allow booing and bullies and political manifestations and who will look and engage themselves in the end...
Allowing Israel to stay in the competition will end Eurovision, not the booing
Bambie and Joost are icons, and actual European. Golum is neither an icon or European.
She/Israel should not have a platform of 150m people to broadcast propaganda to the world. She's happy to be the face of a genocidal movement. The EBU allowing that is the end of Eurovision.
They weren't booing her phenomenal talent or her performance - they were booing her country. I'm glad she nearly won the popular vote, which is truly a hopeful sign.
"We believe that when a musician performs, you should always show what it does to the audience". Oh, we definitely saw what Eden did to the audience. She moved them and impressed them with her vocal talent and therefore she won the second semi-final and came second in the televoting. Eden won the hearts of the audience. 💙
What filter did you have?
Isn't the point that we wanted to hear what it did to the audience, not just see it?
Which is why multiple people online are admitting to voting for her as a political statement ♡ And why her own delegation was concerned about the song she brought being lackluster. And why she isn't streaming as high as the actual top 5.
Israel❤
Do you know what really winded people up? Social Media. Gosh, this year it was terrible, especially with younger users, so many hateful comments (especially on X), disgraceful wishes for Martin, the contest and virtually anything related to Eurovision. So much disrespect. People just wanted to ruin things and quite frankly, I don't see what the EBU can do about this. Maybe not having an audience for Eurovision? I miss the early 2000's when it was more about 'love' and just enjoying the moment, rather than how people are nowadays, criticising everyone and trying to burn the place down. The booing trend was quite bad also in 2015 (against Russia), but this year was definitely the worst.
I agree. Scary stuff.
What can EBU do? Maybe exclude countries that pull politics into the competition (politics is a forbidden topic for songs by the rules, and I think it should be extended to delegations and participants, too, banning all political activities).
That country should have been excluded on the same basis as Belarus was.
The IDF targets journalists, the numbers of unalived media personal are staggering. The ban of Al Jazeera.
All of this goes against press freedom. The EBU says they stand for press freedom & that that is the reason they wanted to keep KAN aboard. But Belarus was disqualified after one(1!) blogger was jailed. Not even an accredited journalist. And he's alive & well. The unjust application of the rules & the favouritism towards that country is staggering.
Had KAN been excluded the whole stressful drama would've been avoided, including DQing Joost Klein.
@@Eva-mp7xg Whilst on paper this sounds fine and dandy, in reality you would end up with half a show. Even last year, Croatia would not have been able to participate, anti-war is still a political view, gone are all the gender related entries, including this years winner, a song about discovering their identity as non-binery, it's still politics at the end of the day. Now whilst I may not want to know someones prefered emotional state, I do wnat to listen to the music, and Ireland is a perfect example, I would have prefered that the gender confirming raveal not be part of the performance as I dont care, I did enjoy the song.
@@VeggieManUK Based on your description, everything is politics. What I was talking about is the politics that politicians do (that power game). Yes, last year's Mama SC was at least as sneaky as Hurricane (a.k.a. October Rain) this year. Except Let3 didn't write an open letter to Putin telling him how they prefer to be part of the Nato during the contest. In the meantime Eden this year posted pro-Israeli army posts on her insta during the contest. So yeah, political activity should be totally banned IMHO. Also, when you bend the rules with your song, you inevitably take a risk. You might be able to get away with it, or might not.
The BBC have used it when I went to the recording of 60 years of Eurovision event in London hosted by Graham Norton. Russia was heavily booed but on the broadcast there was no booing whatsoever. I guess I’m on the fence, as if there was more booing heard there could be sympathy votes, and that’s not what I feel is the correct way to vote at a song contest. You could hear the boos this year and Israel did get sympathy votes for sure, some not even political but for the fact the singer had to deal with that sort of negativity and it’s represented in the votes, Israel had the biggest difference in jury and televotes in Eurovision history.
because of the insane amount of ads & the bought votes & the SM campaign where certain people that never watched ESC in their lives proudly declared to have voted multiple times when they hadn't even heard the song.
why was is necessary to open up the voting lines before the contest even began?
I’m almost certain that the insane amount of booing happening for Eden from the rehearsal and semi-final, captured from people’s cellphones, caused more people to vote for Eden out of sympathy.
Im glad they did cover it, I wanted to hear the song from home as I wasn’t able to buy tickets this year
12 votes to Netherlands and Portugal. They can start their own contest, we’ll go to that ✨
The audience was stacked with Anti-Israel people for political purpose. They weren’t booing because she was bad, they were only booing because she was from Israel. They were booing before she had even sung and she sang impeccably. Israel is fighting a war against Hamas/Iran and not the Palestinian people. Even if there is a popular anti Israel movement, we have to support what is morally right and not what is popular, especially when people only focus on Israel due to antisemitism.
Also wiwwibloggs hardly covered Eden compared to other artists in the lead up which was a shame.
I think the main problem is how networks over the world cover the war. They don't show the attacks from Iran Iraq Syria Lebanon and hamas on israel. But rather they show pictures from gaza and claim they're all "civilians". So people tend to forget israel didn't start this war. This year's audience was literally just people who know nothing wvout the war or EBU or israel, they just wanted to show off their tiktok degree. Right.
Maybe Osterdahl didn’t expect the public booing, a bit naive
Boos were hidden because the boos were not a genuine reaction to the song, but actually a reaction to the country the singer was representing.
The EBU added the applause track, so that we viewers don’t feel disappointed by the people who get/can afford to attend in person.
Is Freddy single? Asking for a friend 😅❤
I take more issue with pre-recorded vocals. It's not covid times anymore. The least they can do is to show a graphic 'pre-recorded backing vocals' or better still go back to singing live. What we have now is one step away from lip-synching
Completely agree. The pre-recorded vocals need to go. Now we have pre-recorded backing vocals with autotune in them (used in the Greek performance) which kinda destroys the purpose of a "live" performance.
SOLID POINT
I was there in the arena in 2006 when there was a huge wave of booing against that joke of a song that was the Lithuanian one "We are the winners" and a second one equally as strong against Silvia Night. Trust me when a certain gathering of people transforms itself into a mob the last words that come to mind are democracy, freedom, respect etc. It was a wild thing to watch and perceive. Mobs should be confronted directly and effectively.
So proud of my broadcaster to speak up.
I think much more will follow after the disqualification.
They were really NOT happy to be treated this way after actually hosting twice in 2020 and 2021.
Y lo peor no permitir banderas de la eu
This year to me ...horror in every sence.😮😮😮😮😮😮
Booing were political, it is 100% logical that EBU masked it. And btw if the booed werent hiden, israel should have more pity vote
I loved this year's Eurovision. Great songs and performances abounded. A shame about all of the back stage drama. I don't want all the drama to overshadow an otherwise strong year. I don't have an opinion yet about the applause/anti-booing technology.
I agree... Best song quality and show quality for à long time...maybe ever....
Welllllll... If its disrespect...any kind of disrespect should be cancelled. If booing is disrespect then of course like any other marks of disrespect it should be cancelled and discouraged.. Why would it be différent?
Yeah but that’s not what they’ve done. They didn’t just try to discourage disrespectful behavior or erase booing from the audio track, they faked a positive audience reaction. That’s something else entirely, especially during a song contest.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t support booing during a performance at all. But two wrongs don't make a right. Whilst booing may result in a disadvantage for Israel (even though I think they actually benefited from it), faking applause is just as much, maybe even more, of a disadvantage for every other contestant who doesn’t get their share of artificially boosted audience support.
@@ft4709 i have to admit you're right
@@ft4709so what do you think they could have done right in order to cover up that disrespect?
The woke juries had an political and socisl agenda to boycott Israel and promote woke ideologies. In future there should just be the popular vote. Also last year the outcome of the popular vote was so different from the juries. It should change
The thing is, after the performance number 6, I just couldn't believe in the audience reaction anymore. Like, did they really sang "soy más zorra todavía" back, or was it CGI? Is the applause for Nemo real or is it CGI? This ruined my experience even further.
I had the same problem. And I started to ask myself was it done in previous years too without us knowing about it.
So in a democratic Europe in 2024.... are the EBU terms and conditions above ( legally) than EU or Swedish laws?
The rules of the contest can be more restrictive than the laws of the hosting country, for sure. Anyone who participates has to accept the rules of the game.
Joost deserves a public apology from the EBU and a resignation from Martin Osterdahl. This edition was in shambles thanks to the organizers.
Joost deservedly was disqualified, since the police confirmed that what he did is worth prosecuting.
@meslud It wasn't even a crime it was a civil offense (i think that's the correct English term). They let him go home. It wasn't serious. He didn't touch anyone, he made a gesture, already apologised for it. It going to a prosecutor doesn't mean much in Sweden.
@@callosamiusprometheus7350 Last news was, that he broke a camera. That would be damage to property, a criminal offense in most European law codes, doesn't mean prison though (criminal offenses are overwhelmingly not punished by prison sentences in Europe); it is violence though.
If it is "Ringa skadegörelse", it can be treated as an infraction instead of a felony (I think, that's what you mean with civil offense?), but it's still part of the criminal law, just having a less severe punishment. As I understand it, it's still not clear if it's section 1 or 3, Chapter 12, of the Swedish Penal Code, though.
But it clearly was more than just a gesture.
@@meslud And yet, that isn't what he was reported for. He was reported for "threats," namely a gesture he made towards the camerawoman. Perhaps it startled her and she dropped it, but according to police report there was no physical contact.
@@callosamiusprometheus7350 I don't know the police report, so if you know it, please link it. I'm happy to retract then. Whatever the threats where then, I will suspend my judgement until more gets public. But I also know the EBU statement and the swedish press coverage, both of them clearly imply more than just verbal threats, the EBU even going so far as to accuse the dutch TV to misrepresent the story.
Also, yes, I'm biased, because I'd really like the EBU to act carefully, and I can't imagine them disqualifying him without some serious incidence, be it physical or "just" a threat (because even threats can be relevant in criminal law).
Booing? Is this what the once respectable Eurovision Song Contest has become. As Hannah Waddingham quite rightly said last year ‘not in this house’. Learn some manners or don’t buy tickets.
I am sure if you agreed with what they were booing about, you wouldn’t have the same perspective. Music has always been political. Freedom is a right to all, not just in certain venues.
Well said
@@missn7887 No…everyone has a right to freedom of expression. Are you from the UK? I think the person who posted the comment is. So, it is okay to boo and yell in the House of Commons in the UK, which is highly disrespectful because it is a place where people discuss legislation and serious matters. Yet, people speak out against a country massacring innocent civilians and you want to criticize that?!?! SMH 🤦♀️
It only works to some extent - you could still hear the booing on TV. Could hardly hear Eden Golan's outro over the jeers.
ESC should be held in an arab country incl nemo etc. may be there is more booing. if you like it so bad
1) I love the studio cut of Austria, but I didn’t like her live vocal, and the choreography didn't say rave to me. Joost's 10 second break was way more rave than the whole 3 minutes.
2) Malta really hampered themselves with that recap clip.
3) I don't understand the appeal of Isreal's song. To me, it was just as dated as the Icelandic entry but without the fun. Both the song itself and the staging. She's just younger and thinner.
4) The sound this year was really off. Lead vocals too low. Backing vocals too high. Too much of the lead vocals on the backing track.
" I don't understand the appeal of Isreal's song. To me, it was just as dated as the Icelandic entry but without the fun." Well, maybe there was a reason why this song was "without fun"...
I absolutely agree with RTPs statement, glad someone pointed that out!
jessy wants her tech back
Im shocked…
EBU should leave ESC and some other new company should take over it.
No, they just need to sack Österdahl and make better decisions going forwards
You think display of hatred is awful and yet you are against the anti booing??? 🤣🤣🤣
Of course it is important to shut up or eliminate the booing. Otherwise how would the public listen music and evaluate the performance? Booing was not only disrespectful towards the singer but also towards the general public that needed to listen and vote. But yeah if any terrorist can physically attend it is hard to avoid the booing. You wouldn’t watch that at an opera or theatre - natural audience selection
This was very disturbing. I was in the audience and this beautiful young woman sang a beautiful song.What has this horrible war got to do with her.
Sadly this contest was supposed to promote peace and love through music.
Their were some performances I did not enjoy.but I would not be disrespectful to the performer
Sad to see.
No booing
This "beautiful song" had to have its lyrics rewritten twice because they were overtly political and unacceptable to the EBU in the first place.
@@jimw859OCTOBER 7 😔💔🎗
Osterdahl needs to resign and someone like Jon Ola Sand or someone non-Nordic should take over. Bring back live backing vocals and reform the juries. Also stop manipulating results with running order. And investigate corruption in juries and televoting!!!
There is no corruption on televoting.
@@huguihugh9803but there is manipulation on starting order.
Oh really @@huguihugh9803
@@huguihugh9803I doubt that. I voted 3 times for Israel and I got back a message for each one which said that my vote was counted. I voted another one for France then for which I never got an answer.
I wanted to watch a song competition. I don't care what political opinions the audience has. I want to here the song clearly and not to be distracted. The booing because of the disqualification is also shameful. It's Joost own fault.
Apparently in 2015, WWE bought anti booing technology from the EBU to silence the booing directed at Roman Reigns at the time.
I wonder what stance AVROTROS, & RPT would have if it was their artists being boo'd at in the arena? Would they have taken offence at EBU covering up the boo's?
Why would they be booed, that's the first question.
@@Eva-mp7xg Im asking what their stance would be if they were to be boo'd.
@@Marc-is5zz I'm sure as impartial broadcast companies they wouldn't ask for a cover-up and would take offence if they got one. Just like Martin Österdahl (EBU representative, Swedish guy) had his two big portions of boos, and SVT (the Swedish hosting broadcast company) didn't cover it up at all.
Now that I answered your question, it's your turn, why would you think AVROTROS or RPT's representatives would be booed?
@@Eva-mp7xg My question is what would their stance be if their artists were boo'd. Im not saying either Netherlands or Portugal are going to be boo'd, my question is if they were boo'd. In the same way if it had been the Swiss, French, Austrian etc etc broadcasters that had objected, I would have questioned if their objections would have been the same if it had been their acts.
@@Marc-is5zz I think I've answered your question in my previous comment, but here it is again " I'm sure as impartial broadcast companies they wouldn't ask for a cover-up and would take offence if they got one."
Now it's your turn to answer my question, why would you think AVROTROS or RPT's representatives would be booed?
I dont mind østerdagl was booked though ...
What about cursing? If booing should be allowed then surely cursing should be permitted as well? As it is much more expressive. What about spitting?
As I’m into audio engineering, all this talk has brought up the question of what does it really mean when speaking of ”anti-booing tech”. With other artists, is the cheering and clapping really only coming in through the singer’s microphone? I think there could be ”audience mics” to capture and boost the feeling in the arena. I don’t know, I haven’t done big shows, but probably, the cheers are really loud and can be heard even as the performers are leaving.
If its that case, ”anti-booing” would just mean turning down the ”audience channel”. Also gotta keep in mind that microphones don’t actually convey what human ears hear, and in a different place. So Isreal broadcast would never be as loud booing, as a video recorded or heard in the crowd, even without any anti-booing.
But if its just bleed from the singing mic anyway, yes maybe they could have used specialised software that tries to get the booing sound out (its not easy).
Inserting clapping and cheers, if there’s plausible evidence for it, is just inexcusable.
Österdahl should go, now
Never watching Eurovision again it was just an awful awful display of hatred this year and quite uncomfortable to watch actually . I don't think anti booing should have been allowed because poor Eden heard it and the whole world should have heard this despicable show of antisemitism def not the useless message "united by music" because no one stood behind that message. I'm just really scared for the future of this world.
Israel has been part of many editions, and it has never faced booing before. In fact, just last year, it was considered a frontrunner. If you believe the boos are driven by irrational hatred towards their community, then why hasn't the same occurred in previous years?
@@abel3357 that actualy shows how they don't care about Israel's actions but rather following the current trend to bully & harass Eden. That means that even if the booing was driven by antisemitism they wouldn't care and would join them together.