Exactly! If you're in the government, you can violate our core governing law and receive zero retribution. If you have nothing to lose, the only thing that restrains you is your better angels.
"The First Amendment is not a game setting for the government to toggle off and on, It applies in times of tranquility and times of strife.” Greatest statement ever by a judge. There still should be some consequences for the school superintendant who started all this by telling the Sheriff to get the post taken down.
There was a great quote I heard from an auditor. I don't quite remember it correctly, but it was something like "the best acknowledgement of rights, is the ability to use them". Very similar to what the judge said.
The police believe they can hide behind qualified immunity and their is no accountability. It emboldens their behaviour to the point they don't care their transgressions are recorded for all to see.
If I had been her father, I would have simply told my daughter, "Under no circumstances are you to take that post down. Let him take me to jail, I'll get your college paid for by him and the sheriff."
while nice on paper (or web comments) the reality is I can't afford the arrest and subsequent possible loss of my employment, and I'm sure many are in the same boat.
terrorism tĕr′ə-rĭz″əm noun The use of violence or the threat of violence, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political goals. Time to hold gov't agents accountable for their TERRORISM.
@@billmullins6833 only as narrow as necessary. Essentially: if the government does it, it's "policing," if white people do it it's a "lone wolf" unless it involves explosives or anthrax, and if anyone else does it it's "terrorism." It's also "terrorism" if anyone with dark skin has a peaceful protest, but that's a different issue.
I can all but guarantee that this family is now in the cross hairs of the Sheriffs Department. Law Enforcement is not known for losing anything gracefully.
@MuzzaHukka pretty much if you get on the bad side of local law enforcement the only way out of it is to either make them like you somehow or go elsewhere personal prejudice isnt supposed to be a factor in law enforcement but the officers are human and it very much can be they do target people they dont like more than those they do
@@MuzzaHukka potentially. But it also depends. If it's a county right next to that one, there's a good chance that that Sheriff knows the other one pretty well. So just moving to a new county might not be enough. You need to move to a new county where that Sheriff doesn't know that one.
Actual consequences for the public employee? No? Nothing gained. They’ll just do it again. That’s how the tyranny is perpetrated. They pay off the complainant with their own tax money, and business proceeds as usual.
Not quite. The win goes down as a huge embarrassment for the Sheriff and his office. The Sheriff is a politician and will need to explain himself next election. Also, the office is now on notice that there could be a large settlement if any of them violate someone's First Amendment rights. Also, there would be no qualified immunity for the individual officers.
@@BlankBrain These "defund the police" gain ground because the police's natural allies are alienated by their disregard for Constitutional rights, civil liberties, lack of moral integrity and lack of common decency.😱
@@BlankBrain police can lie if they are say undercover, in a sense that if you ask them directly are you a cop, they can say no and it's okay. Playing big brother and getting in people's personal business that's not okay, lying to the public about official duties or actions not okay. That's just plain wrong. But they have badges and guns and each other so it's all good with them. After all cops see it as us against them being the public. Give someone a hammer everything starts looking like a nail.
He and all law enforcement, already have the legal right to lie while conducting an investigation, whether in public or private. The term for this legality is Subterfuge. chatting to you on the street is technically "an investigation." We all love when they lie to a kidnapper or associates to find the missing and endangered child. Hate it when it is at our front door or car door for something that is completely legal.
If you do something they say is wrong, there's money involved always. The lawyer lied in court to win a case, he should, either out of his pocket, have to pay damages or be dismissed. They are supposed to be above reproach. And, the whole thing was silly. For he police to come out to her house over a social media post is the beginning of facism if not already ongoing from the way police officers love to exert their authority for almost any reason. And, as a sidenote. Fire all female cops.
When a uniformed officer shows up to your property he is there under color of law and any comment he makes, like "Start taking people to jail" is a threat of arrest. Any rational thinking person would perceive it as such.
Lawyers and cops are an industrial machine. That only feeds on pain and suffering of the people that they are supposed to serve. Laws are as they see fit to keep the machine going. Every thing a cops or a lawyer does, they get paid. The victims do not, only pay. Most times they pay with jail time. Keeping the industry of pain and suffering going. Only country in the free world. That will build more prisons that public housing to help the poor.
The sheriff's attorney said her posts “caused distress and panic within the school system and law enforcement acted at the request of school health officials in a good faith effort to avoid unfounded panic.” What utter BS.
If I remember correctly, the school official that complained is now a middle school principal. Whatever the current position is, it's disturbing that this individual is still in a supervisory position around children.
@@IrishFast ... and that's an overreaction on your part. Hopefully everyone learned something from this. You don't learn when the moment you cross the line your head gets cut off.
@@jwo7777777 someone with a history of overreacting and a lack of understanding of American constitutional rights has no business being anywhere near the education Field
No doubt. This isn't the ONLY incident of small town Admins sending the Police to a Citizen's home threatening arrest over posting thoughts on Social Media ...
@@SonsOfLorgar authoritarianism is not partisan, both left and right want to control speech they don't like, for example, allowing BLM protests but shutting down all other protests. They also want to control your body, for example, vaccine mandates and abortion bans. Educate yourself.
What I find even more troubling is that the sheriff's department is more interested in policing social media and arresting someone for saying they have COVID when they might not rather than focusing on real law enforcement where you arrest actual criminals and such.
I agree the sheriff should be voted out, but I don't think they we're acting in bad faith or maliciously here. Law enforcement aren't lawyers or judges. And asking a officer to go through the same level of education as one plus everything they need to learn is unrealistic. This should be a lessons learned by the department and if the deputy involved has repeated similar cases then that's a problem, but it's unrealistic to expect anyone to be perfect at their job even police. It is expected that they learn and are competent enough not to be abusive.
@@Osseric "Stop saying what you're saying or we'll arrest you" doesn't require a deep legal understanding to identify the problem with it. If a officer doesn't realize that had first amendment issues, then we have a problem on the basic IQ level.
@@Osseric Disagree in this case. This was such a clear violation of constitutional rights, and being completely not about anything in any way illegal, so obviously beyond the duties of police, there is no ignorance excuse I would find credible. This was a police department that dispatched an officer to order private citizens to take down a social media post that was in no way a threat of violence, under penalty of being taken to jail if they don't. We expect soldiers to not follow unconstitutional orders, and be subject to prosecution if they are "just following orders" and crimes are committed. I think expecting the same of police is a pretty low bar to hold them to.
There are really really bad cops that actually do get away with murder that are on the Force still. I'd like to see these people go to. I'd also like to see some bad Doctors retire too.
@@Osseric It isn't a matter of being perfect. The Sheriff is responsible for upholding the law. That means they need to be knowledgeable of what the Constitution and law allows. Yes, they may make mistakes and that is why they have qualified immunity. If that mistake is blatant then there may not be that immunity. As for punishing the officer, this is not a question of abuse. He was ordered by the Sheriff to do something and he followed his orders. That doesn't make his actions legal but that would probably give him personal immunity. It isn't that I agree, but that is in considering previous cases.
I would also be questioning and addressing why someone from the school was looking through her Instagram posts, then going around telling other students and parents that what was posted was false, meaning there was no one with Covid and not dealing with it appropriately. All the while contacting the Sheriff about it, it's just mind boggling to me.
They look through the students posts in case of shooters who sometimes have big mouths of course teens always have big mouths whether they actually want to hurt someone or not
@@TheresaHall-vl1bm that's still creepy. 44yr old Mr Jones gym coach sifting through 14yr old Alexa's Instagram pictures. I figure that's the parent's job. I wonder how many pdf files are in schools. Can the kids not set it to private/friends only anyway? Or, I guess that defeats the purpose of attention seeking behavior.
@@MattH-wg7ou schools do it like crazy since the shootings started. I find it inappropriate that a child can't even say something they don't mean without paying for it. During covid when they were doing online school some kids got suspended because they gasp own fake guns at home and gasp dared to touch them
@@TheresaHall-vl1bm theyll do everything BUT look into the real connections with all these events...SSRIs and other antidepressants. Something like 96 percent of these perps are on them. Could be a selection bias, theybare depressed after all...or it could be... But we should at least be taking an honest scientific look into it to estabish causality or even proper, controlled-for correlation if nothing else.
How about a federal investigation for civil rights violations. Looks like a Sheriff and a deputy need to do prison time. And the lying sheriff's attorney lose his license. Serve time with the Sheriff.
@@willweng305 They lie all the time, it's just almost impossible to catch them unless you video record it. Even then it hardly gets them disbarred, let alone criminal prosecution...
That's not a realistic introduction to adulthood. A real introduction would be losing, over and over and over. That's how life really is, the good guy hardly ever wins.
Pretty much every "guilty" verdict against the police for violating 1A, is also proof they violated their oath to uphold and protect the constitution. What, if anything is the prescribed penalty for violation of that oath. I would think at the very least a termination of employment, since "lying on your resume" is a valid cause for dismissal in pretty much any employment scenario.
It's got to be proven to be intentional though. Not sure if you can blame the deputy for following the Sheriff's orders, though arguably he shouldn't be following "Unlawful Orders" which this clearly is... Either way, they need to do some retraining! 😅
Your annoyance at the police attorney denying there had been an arrest threat shows you are a good man Steve Lehto and a very good lawyer as well. I hope you get clients who appreciate your moral belief in the laws that you work under. Kudos to you Mr Lehto and stay safe. The world needs more people like you. 👍👍👍👍
@@mulengroak4687 in Germany police trainees get educated together with Students of law that will become lawyers. same Uni, same course, same Professor, same test. two thirds don't make it through the law course.
Believe it or not even the conservative republican church going lawyers I know....they aren't ACAB but they are "an alarmingly amount of officers are worse than gang members and the "good" officers fall in line with them 99.9% of the time when it matters" the two lawyers I'm talking about only worked in the state attorney's Crimes against children division. That always made me wonder. I never felt like opening that Pandora's box in conversation. I'm going to a party with one of them next weekend. I'm going to try to get her friend who's a public defender tell me her stories. Shes on the same page with them about cops but center in political beliefs.
Why no name of the attorney who lied? As an American I need to know the names of cops, attorneys, and especially the judges! Without that the whole equality level playing field doctrines are dangerous lies, and there is no reason to trust or respect the judicial system in its entirety! Are we free to believe that the whole damn system is a lie, or will I be arrested for thinking what all the evidence points to? Let’s look at what the “justice” department is doing to Assange in my name! They can pound sand! I can not honor a thing without honor. And I don’t. JWC
The Health Department, the School Principal and Superintendent of Schools should be liable also because they all conspired with the Sherriff's office to intimidate to remove post. No one from the school contacted the student or parents to resolve the situation but conspired with the Health Department and Sherriff.
Oh no, a conspiracy theory...oh, wait, it isn't a theory it is an actual conspiracy! How about that, the school and the health folks conspiring with the LEO's to show they have the power!
So well said, ah yes, the American way. Make up laws that suit me not the laws that I am sworn to uphold, never to serve and protect. Use and abuse lie, expect privilege,come on brother cop you caught me driving drunk,but I'm only a mile from home... okay go ahead go home...
As a retired police chief I am incensed that a Sheriff would have done this to this young lady and her family. Disorderly conduct? The act of threatening thus family was disorderly and I hope the Sheriff’s office is held financially responsible.
Held financially responsible by whom? Who is there to hold sheriffs accountable? Sheriffs have an enormous amount of power and substantial political influence, but answer to no one on the day to day. There is no real oversight for sheriffs in this country.
I'm impressed by the citizens that pursued this particular civil suit - nobly willing to commit their time and resources in the hope of protecting their constitutional rights, and that's all. And they got a clear judgment in their favour. Sadly, this successful suit does nothing to advance citizens' protection against abuse of their rights. Had there been punitive damages attached to this ruling, it would be a deterrent against future similar actions by the Sheriff, his employers and/or his fellow law enforcement officers.
I'm disappointed that the family wasn't awarded at least some money for their efforts and whatever the Attorney's costs were (even/especially if they were defended by the ACLU).
Yes absolutely sue the individual involved police or lawyer on a personal level, forcing them into bankruptcy so they can have their friends in blue start a GoFundMe page for their brother in blue. Maybe if we start bankrupting individuals for egregious behavior that goes against what they're sworn to uphold will things then start to change
@@bruceboyer8187 Thing he means from the sheriff's own pocket not tax payer money. Personally I say that's the issue, they take a bad action, then defend that bad action with tax payer dollars and then even if they are forced to pay, they pay with tax payer dollars. They never learn the harsh lesson of having to take that money hit when they do wrong. Not our police, not our schools (teachers might have to, but never the school admins), not our judges. They won't learn because they are never personally held responsible.
The school did nothing wrong. Legally. Anyone may make a complaint to the police. That doesn't mean the police will go and arrest someone, but it is a right. Only if the report was false or harassment would you have any recourse.
@@alanmcentee9457 ok...but if I'm remembering this correctly, it was the Teachers& Admins of her Highschool who first got upset by Her posts... I believe they even suspended her (academically and from sports program) for not taking down her Social Media comments. Then the Principal & Superintendent got involved...who ultimately called their friends at the Police Department to use "force" to shut up this teenager , yeah? Ironically, G. Orwell's 1984, is still required reading@ this highschool 🤫🦉
@@HappyHoboRecovery the girl had a few more years of school. Bringing a lawsuit against the school would have been awkward in that how many school options would she have instead of the public school?
@@donnavandezande3905 I get it. I have kids in highschool too. But at some point I need to teach / show/ support challenging Authority in a respectful manner... How to stand up for yourself, loved ones and neighbors. What I won't do is teach passive aggressive or submissive behavior in Our household, as both run counter to foundemental values my wife and I believe in. And at the risk of being called a Daren/Karen... standing up to people who think they have Authority over expressing Ourselves.
That attorney needs to have a complaint filed for knowingly (or ought to have known) that their statement was clearly incorrect. The Sheriff and deputy should not only be charged with abuse of power but aren't they sworn to uphold the constitution? if so, they have breached their oath to do it. If the school asked the sheriff to get it down, wouldn't that also now be a conspiracy?
The crime committed was a violation of a federal statute 18 usc 241 Conspiracy to Deprive Rights or 18 usc 242 Deprivation Of Rights Under Color Of Law.
I often think back to my days as a young law enforcement officer in the 80s. The world is now a different place indeed. I could have never imagine the legal issues we are dealing with in relation to a digital world! By the way, what are today cops being taught during the Constitutional law block at the academy? Thanks for the video!
@@shirleyrichard-qv9lwthe 10 amendments which the bill of rights consists of is all the cops need to learn, and could be learned in less than 6 hours.
This case was crazy, I'm glad the judge was reasonable here. What she said wasn't even ridiculous, at worst she was wrong about what disease she had, but the sheriff decided he'd play doctor, too. What's with cops like this and thinking they know everything, anyways?
@@heymakerphd1982 character deficiency or flaw, way too kind of a characterization. I know this is an extreme example but.... Nazi soldiers could say, I was just following orders.
"We don't use the money we steal. We give it to the Feds who separately give us money." oh, wait, that's what they actually say in Equitable Sharing Cases. Makes me wonder why I can't say, "No, I don't owe taxes because I don't earn money. I work for free and my boss separately gives me money."
When they denied anyone was threatened with arrest, it was semantics: *technically* the Sheriff could have been threatening kidnapping and false imprisonment with no arresting involved. When they admitted to threatening with arrest, it's because they realized that if they voiced the semantic alternative, that would be much worse than just admitting to the real meaning of the words. Ridiculous? Yes. The whole case is ridiculous. I'm glad the girl and her family won.
Should have at least sued for legal fees. Police was using intimidation and even if arrested would be an inconvenience to the family...to send a message over a random post.
One of the problems with law enforcement today is they don't realize that unless a citizen is clearly in violation of the law....we are in charge....not them. Many police officers think that citizens need to do as they say.... because THEY say so.
With such a clear violation of The Constitution the law enforcement officers involved should be fired outright & barred from returning to any LEO related job. Disgusting behavior & a gross violation of the trust invested by the public in law enforcement officer's everywhere.
So, to be clear, he was calling out the lawyer publicly said no one was threatened with arrest while stipulating court the facts (which included a threat of arrest was made) was true? I might have missed that point. lol. I would hate to see this lawyer being the only one being punished for this Schrodenger's arrest threat.
I heard recently from someone on TH-cam that western governments hate freedom / liberty; and, quite honestly, with how I've seen things been going down the past 20 years, and with these kinds of cases in the Courts, I am leaning toward the statement holding truth. Thank you for sharing this story with us all
Perhaps the PD could give up their right to Civil Asset Forfeiture. Either that or place the offending officer and sheriff in a set of public stocks for a day at the seat of county government.
@@jaysandt8491 I agree ethically, but how can they pay if they're in jail? There should be an easy path to garnishment in these situations. If they don't have an income, it should also be made easy to get a lien on any assets they have. I don't know what happens if they declare bankruptcy.
They still got their way, She removed the post. Even if she reposted it , it’s not going to get the same traction. Excellent video. Thank you for sharing
ffs, steve spent 20 minutes complaining about this one point 10 times, presumably attorneys have a freedom of speech as well. Is steve supposing that "the state bar" should be holding their conduct/ speech outside of court to a standard ? If only we had an attorney around here to consider this question. B-)
@@neilkurzman4907 actually yes you can, but ridiculous asking will probably not be approved and too much BS will probably just piss the judge off. But you can reasonably ask for lost time which is basically what it cost you in work hours missed which is calculated, court fees, lawyers fees, and emotional damages
@@neilkurzman4907 You misunderstood what I said. You can say you want these as a result, but it doesn't mean that they have to give you what you want. The judge will look at what you requested for and decide what you deserve from what you requested usually. Which is why requesting ridiculous things should not be considered because you just may effect the judge to see you in a bad light. And yes you are right it's best to do it within what legitimate for the case which is what lawyers should recommend. But they can literally ask for anything it won't be granted and a lot of times it could cause the case to be dismissed as a waste of the courts time.
@@neilkurzman4907 Understood. Funny enough the fact this case didn't really ask for much probably is a factor in making the judge decide that they won. Few people realize that even what they are asking for in damages is taken into account. And yes the OP probably is as you suggested.
Many people that had it, tested negative while sick and then tested positive for antibodies afterwards. The truly scary part of this is that the Sherriff, who I feel confident has zero medical expertise, believed he had the right to silence someone that potentially posed a severe, emergency health concern for the residents of that area. The Sherriff and all deputies that upheld these gestapo directives should all be fired. They are all too dangerously mentally incompetent to wear a uniform and carry a weapon.
So the girl's family is presumably out attorney's fees, not to mention their own time, and yet there is no real penalty for the Sheriff? How is this justice?
The malfeasance of prosecutors (judges as well) is such a serious problem in a lot of jurisdictions that we see prosecutions being used to bully by use of process, just in order to win, its totally unacceptable.
The thing that has me shaking my head: while the cops should never have asked her to take down the post to begin with, she’d already agreed to take it down. All that cop had to do was be polite, remain courteous, and not threaten jail time over something where she was already in the process of complying. The police department should have at least been forced to pay the family’s legal fees. If an attorney represented them for free, he or she deserves to get compensated for this.
I didn't get from the video she had already agreed to take it down. My take away was that as soon as the cop showed up and made demands, she feared trouble, went inside, and took it down. I thought she just walked inside to do it, without saying anything, since it was after it was taken down that the cop made the threat. But maybe he did know, and was just in an intimidation groove or dick swinging. But even so, the cops showing up at your door demanding you do something carries an undeniable threat to you, even if not verbalized. Why send the cops if they aren't going to do cop things? Fully agree the judge should have ordered legal fees be reimbursed. The government had violated the constitutional rights of the family. No way the family (or a pro bono or working for a reduced rate lawyer) should have eaten that cost.
Personally, were I in her position I would probably have gotten the impression that a threat was implied, but I agree with you. As long as the threat is only implied and not directly stated the officer would have had the ability to pretend that it was just a request. That said, the police department was stupid for doing this to begin with. That's what China did back in December 2019 which resulted in the whole pandemic going global to begin with. Any police officer that thinks that copying China is the best way to serve an American Community is probably not very intelligent. Even their motivation to intimidate this child is identical to the motivation of China in doing the same. The problem with all of this (aside from 1st Ammendment issues) is that by intimidating people into silence it keeps other people from knowing that they might have been exposed and it sends messages to others in similar situations to not inform others when they believe that they might have covid. This limits the number of people who would quarantine themselves which increases the number of infections and therefore increases the number of deaths. I wonder if anyone will sue that police department now claiming that a loved one died of covid who only died because someone they know didn't quarantine because someone else was afraid to tell people they might be infected because of this case. Even if you just get a group of people to say this is what I believed and this was the result it doesn't put the police department in a good position. They created a huge amount of liability for themselves that was at multiple levels unnecessary.
The cops and the lawyer should have been made to state what they did. Then explain why its wrong. Lastly make a public apology. This also should be on all major news media for a week.
I find it amazing that in a case where the facts are not disputed and the case goes to a summary judgement that the court did not award at least attorney's fees.
At some point in time, we're going to have to wake up from this Twilight zone episode and get back to reality. I'm having a hard time supporting police when these sort of instances are becoming more and more prevalent showing that most cops simply don't understand what their job is and where their limits are. I especially cannot support police who make up blatant lies to try and cover their tracks. I'm not in support of defunding any police station but if this is the type of service we're going to receive from those who are in uniform, I'd have to question whether we're paying too much for too little
Just don’t support them They only now are being held accountable because of cameras. Don’t think this is new and couldn’t happen to you or anyone else As long as they keep getting this free ride
Everyone is so afraid of saying defund the police that they are literally letting the cops get away with murder. It's just rational. Too many cops, don't know the laws they are enforcing, violate our rights on a daily basis. He'll yah dufund the police. So many scaird little bitches...
So what has happened this past year? How many times have her and or family and friends gotten pulled over? Has CPS been called? How much has the city retaliated against her family? Has anyone lost their jobs? Did the community turn on the family?
I love how it’s unlikely that attorneys are allowed to make false statements, but it is allowed and encouraged for police to make false statements. Rules for thee but not for me woohoo!
I would've absolutely refused to let my daughter take the post down. That said, I'm a licensed attorney with plenty of vacation time I can take (and I'm kind of a jerk). I can totally understand someone else not wanting to take the ride.
The irony of how some people reacted a certain way because they couldn't tell who may be infected, but when someone announces it to alert everyone that person is threatened with arrest.
For that matter, I dimly recall some recent cases where lawyers told the public they had this long list of evidence, and then turned around and told the courts pretty much "we don't got nuthin'". Anyone else remember that?
Man wtf. When i heard he said the police wanted her to take down some post I assumed it was something really edgy and was directly provoking the local authorities but no, they were just basic blog posts. The police interjected themselves in a matter that had literally nothing with them. I’m glad she won.
@@mikegreene8461 And quite often by otherwise articulate people. I don't get it. My second biggest annoyance is the new thing where people don't insert the "to be". "NEEDS REPLACED" "NEEDS RESTORED" "NEEDS DETAILED" Also from otherwise really smart people. Watch JR go does it all the time. And he has a very strong command of the English language.
2 years hence and both defendants' attorneys are still "active" and "in good standing" with the Wisconsin state bar. Maybe they have a 1.5a. in Wisconsin where attorneys are allowed to use alternative facts in public?
I think the public statement meant to split hairs a different way: the cop didn't name any specific person that might get arrested, so nobody specific was threatened with arrest. Of course, that's still BS - the targets were pretty obviously implied.
The "someone" had to be someone involved, and since no one involved committed a crime, the point remains, even if we don't know who they meant specifically. Any specific answer would be equally illegal.
The cop wouldn't need to specify a person going to jail. There were a group of three family members. The officer was in conversation with one person (the father) and the mother was watching. It was a threat against the family.
There is no pass on the idea of splitting hairs in this case. Police showed up to a particular citizens door made statements that was what was directly implied there is no hair splitting involved in this case it is shocking to the conscience and morally corrupt.
The attorney may have been right when he said they weren't threatened with arrest. He said he may take them to jail, which without a valid reason would be a kidnapping not an arrest.
It would be interesting to learn just what exactly they would Arrest her if she refused to take down the Posts... To Arrest her or her Parents, they would need to specify what Statue/Law they broke in the Arrest Paperwork...
But of course the Wisconsin Bar Association is taking no action, kind of like the Police Internal Affairs we have reviewed ourselves and found nothing that conflicts with our Professional Standard. He was only acting to protect his clients image.
Is the Wisconsin Bar Association a lawful government authority...or is it a private monopolistic organization ? Do they issue *Law Licenses* or just private ( Bar Certificates ?) They would not be practicing law without a License would they ?
The Wisconsin Bar Association has absolutely nothing to do with disciplining lawyers. If you want to criticize people make sure you're criticizing the right people first.
Ah, the Sheriff didn't do anything. A deputy made those statements. Since no one was in fact arrested, what penalties did the teen suffer? She was forced to delete an Instagram post, and won a lawsuit about it. This will doubtlessly go in the deputy's file.
@@Caseytify the sherriff is responisble for his deputies actions and whatever action they take on duty represents the sherriffs office not the individual
@@Caseytify The deputy said he was directly ordered by the Sheriff to order the taking down of the post, and take people to jail if the order was not followed. As for the girl, limiting it to "penalties" is a bit off the mark. Fact: she suffered a violation of her constitutional rights under color of authority, so there's that as a harm done to her. The fact she won her case doesn't mean that the injustice she suffered not longer counts, and the perpetrators shouldn't be made accountable because "she won". If anything, exactly the opposite.
@@rhymeswithorange6092 To add to what you're saying, the girl also suffered harm from the school publicly saying the girl was lying and seeking attention
Any deputy, including those in command, involved in this needs to be fired and banned from ever holding ANY government job. The deputy making the arrest threat needs to go to prison and the attorney making the false statements needs to be disbarred. Until harsh measures are consistently taken against those in government who abuse their authority this type of behavior will continue.
I'm glad that you are upset by a lying attorney. You always show high personal integrity. As a town engineer, I faced many developer's attorneys who would say anything to try to get me to approve non compliant plans and projects. Unfortunately, we have bad apples in all professions. I had a developer's attorney threaten to sue me for not approving fraudulent plans. So, I filed a complaint against his Professional Engineer(PE) with the PE Board. The entire subdivision project collapsed at that point. The PE was a friend that I had known since college but, I wasn't going to let an unsafe project be built in my town. Good Luck, Rick
Well, it is possible that the attorney here just assumed that no cop would be this stupid and made the statement before looking at the evidence. Negligence rather than intentionally lying. Still bad, but it is preferable for the attorney if facing an ethics inquiry.
@@boataxe4605 I'm old and retired but I will not live in a place that has more snakes than Nam had. Besides that, I had good politicians that backed me. When they retired, the young politicians got rid of me to help the developers.
Here in California, the criminals will never be all gone, because the government keeps releasing them on various pretexts such as overcrowded jails or the pandemic. I never realized that one of the reasons may be to keep the police departments fully employed.
@@exrobowidow1617 maybe you are sure they are all guilty i am not traffic violations and jaywalking should not be jailble offences but they are now and it is getting worse go ahead and offend an police officer and see how long you spend in prison they lie and the court knows it and they tell them it fine
@@darleneclarke4001 your statement is proven fact. Absolutely the police lie and then purposely cover it up until oh my, I was actually caught on video surveillance that I was not aware of. Oh well, time to change zip codes and work for a different law enforcement agency.
Steve, when does an Official Misconduct charge comes to the Sheriff and their Deputy for making false statements? Would that be used against the them just like they use everything against us? Official Misconduct must be pursued in this.
One correction: 'enforcing' NON-existent or NON-applicable 'law' in cases of first amendment. "Disorderly conduct?" Not for a constitutionally protected activity.
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Just the fact they told her to take it down in the first place would be an intimidation because of their authority. Absolutely an infringement.
Deprivation of rights under color of law.
@@wxmyjnsn when its their paycheck or your rights you know who will lose every time.
100%. He doesn't have that authority.
That is BY DEFINITION against the 1st amendment! These people are not THAT stupid!
You think there going to stop?
When the sheriff does something wrong it’s
“Out of line”
When I do something wrong it’s
“Six months in jail”
This!
Exactly! If you're in the government, you can violate our core governing law and receive zero retribution. If you have nothing to lose, the only thing that restrains you is your better angels.
So go do something about it. Or, just keep crying on TH-cam.
@@zamiel3 perhaps don't assume he hasn't been doing something about it.
@@Bryan-vr9mr I didn't. Perhaps don't assume, that I did.
"The First Amendment is not a game setting for the government to toggle off and on, It applies in times of tranquility and times of strife.”
Greatest statement ever by a judge.
There still should be some consequences for the school superintendant who started all this by telling the Sheriff to get the post taken down.
There was a great quote I heard from an auditor. I don't quite remember it correctly, but it was something like "the best acknowledgement of rights, is the ability to use them". Very similar to what the judge said.
So here's the question. What does the bar council have to say about a lawyer lying?
@@nasis18 I also like my take on that same subject "laws are like muscles, if you don't exercise them they will fade away."
@@Nickle314 If they can prove the lawyer knowingly lied in court, that is an ethics violation, the lawyer can be sanctioned or disbarred.
@@MichaelClark-uw7ex If they lied to the press, that's also an ethics violation.
A prime example of why you should record police. I’m surprised the dash cam footage wasn’t “lost”.
The police believe they can hide behind qualified immunity and their is no accountability. It emboldens their behaviour to the point they don't care their transgressions are recorded for all to see.
If I had been her father, I would have simply told my daughter, "Under no circumstances are you to take that post down. Let him take me to jail, I'll get your college paid for by him and the sheriff."
100% would never have allowed her him to even speak with my daughter let alone tell her to take that post down.
while nice on paper (or web comments) the reality is I can't afford the arrest and subsequent possible loss of my employment, and I'm sure many are in the same boat.
Cops don't pay tax payers would be liable!
@@wrd3136 That needs to change, and abolishing Qualified Immunity is the first step.
Exactly.
Only Debby Downer in that scenario, neither the sheriff, nor his deputies, nor is his lawyer going to personally be held liable.
Lying about something to make someone look bad and then testifying otherwise in court is a great way to get sued a second time!
sounds like someone does need to go to jail, starting with the former deputy.
And the school superintendent for calling the Sheriff rather than the parents. The Superintendent wanted the demand to be made with the color of law.
"We didn't threaten to arrest her for saying something we don't like! We threatened her dad for no reason whatsoever. That's better, right?"
terrorism
tĕr′ə-rĭz″əm
noun
The use of violence or the threat of violence, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political goals.
Time to hold gov't agents accountable for their TERRORISM.
@@r2r-r2r Unfortunately, as Steve would advise you, the term "terroristic threat" has a very narrow legal definition.
@@billmullins6833 , but it still applies in this case...treat them as enemies of this country.
@@billmullins6833 only as narrow as necessary. Essentially: if the government does it, it's "policing," if white people do it it's a "lone wolf" unless it involves explosives or anthrax, and if anyone else does it it's "terrorism."
It's also "terrorism" if anyone with dark skin has a peaceful protest, but that's a different issue.
@@NXTangl Yes like blowing up buildings with people in them..LOL
I can all but guarantee that this family is now in the cross hairs of the Sheriffs Department. Law Enforcement is not known for losing anything gracefully.
They'll be followed/watched...
What can someone who's in LE's crosshairs do? Move to the next county over?
@MuzzaHukka pretty much if you get on the bad side of local law enforcement the only way out of it is to either make them like you somehow or go elsewhere personal prejudice isnt supposed to be a factor in law enforcement but the officers are human and it very much can be they do target people they dont like more than those they do
@@robzombie1845 doesn't answer my question: if some small town Sheriff doesn't like me, can I just move to be outside of his jurisdiction?
@@MuzzaHukka potentially. But it also depends. If it's a county right next to that one, there's a good chance that that Sheriff knows the other one pretty well. So just moving to a new county might not be enough. You need to move to a new county where that Sheriff doesn't know that one.
Actual consequences for the public employee? No? Nothing gained. They’ll just do it again. That’s how the tyranny is perpetrated. They pay off the complainant with their own tax money, and business proceeds as usual.
Not quite. The win goes down as a huge embarrassment for the Sheriff and his office. The Sheriff is a politician and will need to explain himself next election.
Also, the office is now on notice that there could be a large settlement if any of them violate someone's First Amendment rights. Also, there would be no qualified immunity for the individual officers.
@@alanmcentee9457 The public will forget.
The Incumbent, at the Top of the List on Election Day always wins re-election!
If you seize the sheriff's Surety Bond they are immediately terminated from their job.
When cops start getting locked up for violating amendments.
@@alanmcentee9457 Biden gets embarrassed every 10 minutes and he is still destroying our country, these idiots don't care about embarrassment.
Ironically, the sheriff wants the right to lie in public, which is what he was threatening to arrest an entire family for.
Police are legally allowed to lie. SCOTUS backs up that right.
@@BlankBrain These "defund the police" gain ground because the police's natural allies are alienated by their disregard for Constitutional rights, civil liberties, lack of moral integrity and lack of common decency.😱
@@BlankBrain police can lie if they are say undercover, in a sense that if you ask them directly are you a cop, they can say no and it's okay. Playing big brother and getting in people's personal business that's not okay, lying to the public about official duties or actions not okay. That's just plain wrong. But they have badges and guns and each other so it's all good with them. After all cops see it as us against them being the public. Give someone a hammer everything starts looking like a nail.
@@jacqueslefave4296 Well said, thank you for that.
He and all law enforcement, already have the legal right to lie while conducting an investigation, whether in public or private.
The term for this legality is Subterfuge. chatting to you on the street is technically "an investigation."
We all love when they lie to a kidnapper or associates to find the missing and endangered child. Hate it when it is at our front door or car door for something that is completely legal.
3:07 - I wish that were true. That's not the kind of thing that is supposed to happen in America, but is happening constantly.
Members of the bar have a stake in supporting the dominant system in principle... even though every bit of evidence disproves that supposition!
In TX and FL for sure.
*"AND ALL THE TIME ALSO!!!! DUH!!!"*
@@thisbushnell2012 *"AND ALL THE TIME ALSO!!!! DUH!!!"*
If you do something they say is wrong, there's money involved always. The lawyer lied in court to win a case, he should, either out of his pocket, have to pay damages or be dismissed. They are supposed to be above reproach. And, the whole thing was silly. For he police to come out to her house over a social media post is the beginning of facism if not already ongoing from the way police officers love to exert their authority for almost any reason. And, as a sidenote. Fire all female cops.
When a uniformed officer shows up to your property he is there under color of law and any comment he makes, like "Start taking people to jail" is a threat of arrest. Any rational thinking person would perceive it as such.
Rationality is not allowed in law.
Well it's not necessarily a threat of arrest, you could also say it's a threat of kidnapping
Lawyers and cops are an industrial machine. That only feeds on pain and suffering of the people that they are supposed to serve.
Laws are as they see fit to keep the machine going. Every thing a cops or a lawyer does, they get paid. The victims do not, only pay. Most times they pay with jail time. Keeping the industry of pain and suffering going. Only country in the free world. That will build more prisons that public housing to help the poor.
The thin blue line is a wide brown streak.
@@scrambledmandible it had to be one or the other.
Either it was a threat of arrest or a threat to kidnap them
The sheriff's attorney said her posts “caused distress and panic within the school system and law enforcement acted at the request of school health officials in a good faith effort to avoid unfounded panic.” What utter BS.
People's feelings don't trump the 1st amendment, that is why she won
If I remember correctly, the school official that complained is now a middle school principal. Whatever the current position is, it's disturbing that this individual is still in a supervisory position around children.
@@IrishFast ... and that's an overreaction on your part. Hopefully everyone learned something from this. You don't learn when the moment you cross the line your head gets cut off.
@@jwo7777777 someone with a history of overreacting and a lack of understanding of American constitutional rights has no business being anywhere near the education Field
I can't believe how dumb this Sheriff was. I remember older people that were already panicking from just what they heared on the news about covid-19.
We need to see much more of these lawsuits against criminal officials to make case-law stronger.
Good for that young lady. She protected all of our freedoms.
Meanwhile, nothing has changed
No doubt. This isn't the ONLY incident of small town Admins sending the Police to a Citizen's home threatening arrest over posting thoughts on Social Media ...
@I'm Learnding sounds like you have confused left and right...
@@SonsOfLorgar authoritarianism is not partisan, both left and right want to control speech they don't like, for example, allowing BLM protests but shutting down all other protests. They also want to control your body, for example, vaccine mandates and abortion bans. Educate yourself.
@@goatgod2009 Really? vaccine mandates is controlling your body?
Please show us where BLM protests are allowed but other protests aren't.
Sheriff and his deputies involved need to be charged with abuse of power!
Agreed. They don't even have jurisdiction in this matter, that is up to the SM company.
They need much jail time.
@@falcon127 no they need all their money given to the girl
Sheriff's if i am correct are elected, and can be dismissed from that post
@@stephensanders5166 why not both
as an officer of the court, the lawyer should be held to a higher standard and should be brought up for review by the bar association.
Depends on how much that lawyer donates to the various judges' election funds. Bar associations do diddly squat to remove unethical attorneys.
What I find even more troubling is that the sheriff's department is more interested in policing social media and arresting someone for saying they have COVID when they might not rather than focusing on real law enforcement where you arrest actual criminals and such.
Cowards always go for the low hanging fruit
Rioting or breaking into businesses or trying to kill or killing people is ok though
The cops are afraid of real criminals
Sheriff departments are the worst , they think thier poo don’t stink , good old boys top to bottom
The police aren't here for enforcing the laws anymore they just go off feelings
Members of that sheriff's department who made that threat should NEVER WORK IN LAW ENFORCEMENT EVER AGAIN!
I agree the sheriff should be voted out, but I don't think they we're acting in bad faith or maliciously here. Law enforcement aren't lawyers or judges. And asking a officer to go through the same level of education as one plus everything they need to learn is unrealistic. This should be a lessons learned by the department and if the deputy involved has repeated similar cases then that's a problem, but it's unrealistic to expect anyone to be perfect at their job even police. It is expected that they learn and are competent enough not to be abusive.
@@Osseric "Stop saying what you're saying or we'll arrest you" doesn't require a deep legal understanding to identify the problem with it. If a officer doesn't realize that had first amendment issues, then we have a problem on the basic IQ level.
@@Osseric Disagree in this case. This was such a clear violation of constitutional rights, and being completely not about anything in any way illegal, so obviously beyond the duties of police, there is no ignorance excuse I would find credible. This was a police department that dispatched an officer to order private citizens to take down a social media post that was in no way a threat of violence, under penalty of being taken to jail if they don't. We expect soldiers to not follow unconstitutional orders, and be subject to prosecution if they are "just following orders" and crimes are committed. I think expecting the same of police is a pretty low bar to hold them to.
There are really really bad cops that actually do get away with murder that are on the Force still. I'd like to see these people go to.
I'd also like to see some bad Doctors retire too.
@@Osseric It isn't a matter of being perfect. The Sheriff is responsible for upholding the law. That means they need to be knowledgeable of what the Constitution and law allows. Yes, they may make mistakes and that is why they have qualified immunity. If that mistake is blatant then there may not be that immunity.
As for punishing the officer, this is not a question of abuse. He was ordered by the Sheriff to do something and he followed his orders. That doesn't make his actions legal but that would probably give him personal immunity.
It isn't that I agree, but that is in considering previous cases.
I would also be questioning and addressing why someone from the school was looking through her Instagram posts, then going around telling other students and parents that what was posted was false, meaning there was no one with Covid and not dealing with it appropriately. All the while contacting the Sheriff about it, it's just mind boggling to me.
They look through the students posts in case of shooters who sometimes have big mouths of course teens always have big mouths whether they actually want to hurt someone or not
@@TheresaHall-vl1bm that's still creepy. 44yr old Mr Jones gym coach sifting through 14yr old Alexa's Instagram pictures. I figure that's the parent's job.
I wonder how many pdf files are in schools.
Can the kids not set it to private/friends only anyway? Or, I guess that defeats the purpose of attention seeking behavior.
@@MattH-wg7ou schools do it like crazy since the shootings started. I find it inappropriate that a child can't even say something they don't mean without paying for it. During covid when they were doing online school some kids got suspended because they gasp own fake guns at home and gasp dared to touch them
@@TheresaHall-vl1bm theyll do everything BUT look into the real connections with all these events...SSRIs and other antidepressants. Something like 96 percent of these perps are on them.
Could be a selection bias, theybare depressed after all...or it could be...
But we should at least be taking an honest scientific look into it to estabish causality or even proper, controlled-for correlation if nothing else.
Steve hates it when someone lies... it's extra spicy when a Lawyer does it publicly. Great discussion Steve !! Well done.
" The kids got no respect for the Law today & Blah , Blah ,Blah".
Lawyers don’t lie, that’s illegal. They argue facts.
How about a federal investigation for civil rights violations. Looks like a Sheriff and a deputy need to do prison time. And the lying sheriff's attorney lose his license. Serve time with the Sheriff.
@@willweng305
They lie all the time, it's just almost impossible to catch them unless you video record it. Even then it hardly gets them disbarred, let alone criminal prosecution...
Trump's attorneys lied repeatedly in public, that's what has landed crazy Rudy in trouble
God bless that young lady - what an introduction into adulthood!
That's not a realistic introduction to adulthood. A real introduction would be losing, over and over and over. That's how life really is, the good guy hardly ever wins.
@@nodak81, that’s the outlook difference between people - half empty, half full, and both half empty and half full; with every variation in between.
I get what your saying but it’s an introduction to 1930’s Germany
Unbelievable! Great win for our Constitution! I'm proud of this family not backing down!
Pretty much every "guilty" verdict against the police for violating 1A, is also proof they violated their oath to uphold and protect the constitution. What, if anything is the prescribed penalty for violation of that oath. I would think at the very least a termination of employment, since "lying on your resume" is a valid cause for dismissal in pretty much any employment scenario.
This^ is the reason they Play musical chairs with the departments.
Those are the folks staying on the force while the good ones are saying fuck this shit I won’t do it and are resigning
It's got to be proven to be intentional though. Not sure if you can blame the deputy for following the Sheriff's orders, though arguably he shouldn't be following "Unlawful Orders" which this clearly is... Either way, they need to do some retraining!
😅
Steve, 18 usc 242, deprivation of rights under color of law. Is this something all "law enforcement" in this case violated?
A dangerous trend in law enforcement in that often it becomes feelings enforcement.
Your annoyance at the police attorney denying there had been an arrest threat shows you are a good man Steve Lehto and a very good lawyer as well. I hope you get clients who appreciate your moral belief in the laws that you work under. Kudos to you Mr Lehto and stay safe. The world needs more people like you. 👍👍👍👍
All police training needs to include a minimum 10 week course on the bill of rights.
@@mulengroak4687 in Germany police trainees get educated together with Students of law that will become lawyers.
same Uni, same course, same Professor, same test.
two thirds don't make it through the law course.
@@mulengroak4687 You’re going to need a ton of 5th graders to explain the big words to them!
Believe it or not even the conservative republican church going lawyers I know....they aren't ACAB but they are "an alarmingly amount of officers are worse than gang members and the "good" officers fall in line with them 99.9% of the time when it matters" the two lawyers I'm talking about only worked in the state attorney's Crimes against children division. That always made me wonder. I never felt like opening that Pandora's box in conversation. I'm going to a party with one of them next weekend. I'm going to try to get her friend who's a public defender tell me her stories. Shes on the same page with them about cops but center in political beliefs.
Why no name of the attorney who lied?
As an American I need to know the names of cops, attorneys, and especially the judges!
Without that the whole equality level playing field doctrines are dangerous lies, and there is no reason to trust or respect the judicial system in its entirety!
Are we free to believe that the whole damn system is a lie, or will I be arrested for thinking what all the evidence points to?
Let’s look at what the “justice” department is doing to Assange in my name! They can pound sand! I can not honor a thing without honor. And I don’t. JWC
And two years later, it has gotten a LOT worse. When I hear "for the greater good" it chills me to the bone.
The Health Department, the School Principal and Superintendent of Schools should be liable also because they all conspired with the Sherriff's office to intimidate to remove post. No one from the school contacted the student or parents to resolve the situation but conspired with the Health Department and Sherriff.
Immediately went to the violent arm of the state to resolve the issue.
Official oppression under color of law?
@@robertmooberry725 I would say so in my book.
Oh no, a conspiracy theory...oh, wait, it isn't a theory it is an actual conspiracy! How about that, the school and the health folks conspiring with the LEO's to show they have the power!
Another example of cops deciding they are the law, not law enforcement, then doing a standard cop, thing, LIE about what they done/said.
So well said, ah yes, the American way. Make up laws that suit me not the laws that I am sworn to uphold, never to serve and protect. Use and abuse lie, expect privilege,come on brother cop you caught me driving drunk,but I'm only a mile from home... okay go ahead go home...
Steve you may not have noticed, but we are quickly becoming "someplace else."
Well said Sir! I loathe to think there may be a day that America is lumped into those places that are considered someplace else.
That's the difference between America and the United States.
As a retired police chief I am incensed that a Sheriff would have done this to this young lady and her family. Disorderly conduct? The act of threatening thus family was disorderly and I hope the Sheriff’s office is held financially responsible.
but they wont be and you know it
you hope not a chance in hell as a retired non cop
Held financially responsible by whom? Who is there to hold sheriffs accountable? Sheriffs have an enormous amount of power and substantial political influence, but answer to no one on the day to day. There is no real oversight for sheriffs in this country.
so we get to pay it.
Use that fucker's fat pension to pay for the lawsuit.
There are a lot of things happening that we never thought would happen in America. Thanks.
People's rights being violated by law enforcement agencies has been going on for a long time.
I've been a cop for over thirty years. This is infuriating!
I'm impressed by the citizens that pursued this particular civil suit - nobly willing to commit their time and resources in the hope of protecting their constitutional rights, and that's all. And they got a clear judgment in their favour.
Sadly, this successful suit does nothing to advance citizens' protection against abuse of their rights. Had there been punitive damages attached to this ruling, it would be a deterrent against future similar actions by the Sheriff, his employers and/or his fellow law enforcement officers.
I'm disappointed that the family wasn't awarded at least some money for their efforts and whatever the Attorney's costs were (even/especially if they were defended by the ACLU).
Yes, winning is great!
But no consequences encourages repeats.
Just like Qualified Immunity!!
Only until these judgements start to come out of the pensions and personal pockets of the goons involved will behaviors change.
Absolutely correct. The plaintiff should be means tested to pay a fine that hurts, and the police pension fund should cover the balance.
Yes, correct. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening anytime soon.
Yes absolutely sue the individual involved police or lawyer on a personal level, forcing them into bankruptcy so they can have their friends in blue start a GoFundMe page for their brother in blue. Maybe if we start bankrupting individuals for egregious behavior that goes against what they're sworn to uphold will things then start to change
The Sherriff SHOULD BE paying the legal fees and ANY judgement.
They are. It's part of a 1983 Fed Civil rights lawsuit win by statute.
@@bruceboyer8187 Thing he means from the sheriff's own pocket not tax payer money. Personally I say that's the issue, they take a bad action, then defend that bad action with tax payer dollars and then even if they are forced to pay, they pay with tax payer dollars. They never learn the harsh lesson of having to take that money hit when they do wrong. Not our police, not our schools (teachers might have to, but never the school admins), not our judges. They won't learn because they are never personally held responsible.
This girl missed the opportunity to hold her school accountable too.
Exactly...I vaguely remember this one, and the School System was definitely invested in and help direct punitive actions against her
The school did nothing wrong. Legally. Anyone may make a complaint to the police. That doesn't mean the police will go and arrest someone, but it is a right.
Only if the report was false or harassment would you have any recourse.
@@alanmcentee9457 ok...but if I'm remembering this correctly, it was the Teachers& Admins of her Highschool who first got upset by Her posts... I believe they even suspended her (academically and from sports program) for not taking down her Social Media comments. Then the Principal & Superintendent got involved...who ultimately called their friends at the Police Department to use "force" to shut up this teenager , yeah? Ironically, G. Orwell's 1984, is still required reading@ this highschool 🤫🦉
@@HappyHoboRecovery the girl had a few more years of school. Bringing a lawsuit against the school would have been awkward in that how many school options would she have instead of the public school?
@@donnavandezande3905 I get it. I have kids in highschool too. But at some point I need to teach / show/ support challenging Authority in a respectful manner... How to stand up for yourself, loved ones and neighbors. What I won't do is teach passive aggressive or submissive behavior in Our household, as both run counter to foundemental values my wife and I believe in. And at the risk of being called a Daren/Karen... standing up to people who think they have Authority over expressing Ourselves.
That attorney needs to have a complaint filed for knowingly (or ought to have known) that their statement was clearly incorrect.
The Sheriff and deputy should not only be charged with abuse of power but aren't they sworn to uphold the constitution? if so, they have breached their oath to do it.
If the school asked the sheriff to get it down, wouldn't that also now be a conspiracy?
The crime committed was a violation of a federal statute 18 usc 241 Conspiracy to Deprive Rights or 18 usc 242 Deprivation Of Rights Under Color Of Law.
Give it a rest, you're clueless
There is a norweigan saying that you dont let the goat watch he bag of oat. ..
@@kengunnett2017 deputies lie. it's what they do when not hunting donuts.
I often think back to my days as a young law enforcement officer in the 80s. The world is now a different place indeed. I could have never imagine the legal issues we are dealing with in relation to a digital world! By the way, what are today cops being taught during the Constitutional law block at the academy? Thanks for the video!
Can Constitution be learned in six weeks
@@shirleyrichard-qv9lwthe 10 amendments which the bill of rights consists of is all the cops need to learn, and could be learned in less than 6 hours.
They're taught how to lie to make it seem like they follow it when they don't
This case was crazy, I'm glad the judge was reasonable here. What she said wasn't even ridiculous, at worst she was wrong about what disease she had, but the sheriff decided he'd play doctor, too. What's with cops like this and thinking they know everything, anyways?
Doctors said most likely she had covid. She went off what she was told by the doctors. This is from before they really started testing.
It's part of the personality disorders the profession attracts.
@@fs127 I would say "character deficiencies, or flaws".
@@heymakerphd1982 character deficiency or flaw, way too kind of a characterization. I know this is an extreme example but....
Nazi soldiers could say, I was just following orders.
Law enforcement behaves this way because they LIKE to.........EGO
"We are not an automobile manufacturer, we only assemble the parts."
"We don't use the money we steal. We give it to the Feds who separately give us money." oh, wait, that's what they actually say in Equitable Sharing Cases. Makes me wonder why I can't say, "No, I don't owe taxes because I don't earn money. I work for free and my boss separately gives me money."
I love the fact that Steve gives this attorney no breaks! No closing ranks behind nonsense. ❤
Glad to hear that we still have at least some competent federal judges left. Good for her that she won!
If we're going to add to the SCOTUS, here's a good candidate.
When they denied anyone was threatened with arrest, it was semantics: *technically* the Sheriff could have been threatening kidnapping and false imprisonment with no arresting involved.
When they admitted to threatening with arrest, it's because they realized that if they voiced the semantic alternative, that would be much worse than just admitting to the real meaning of the words.
Ridiculous? Yes. The whole case is ridiculous. I'm glad the girl and her family won.
That attorney should be disbarred.
I suspect that attorney was eating antacids out of a pez dispenser for awhile.
@@fjalics and all cops involved should be fired and blacklisted. Sadly neither is likely to happen.
Let's be honest, the Sheriff thought it, not the whole department. I'm sure there were a few duty's saying "I wouldn't do that if I were you Sgt..."
It is LEGAL to lie in public. It is ILLEGAL to lie in court.
Steve you are dam good teacher. I am attending your classes for last couple of years and have learn a lot.
The attorneys false statement must be made a news article. Let the entire community know the lawyer is a manipulative person.
I'm shocked -- SHOCKED! -- to hear that lawyers might be manipulative people...
Should have at least sued for legal fees.
Police was using intimidation and even if arrested would be an inconvenience
to the family...to send a message over a random post.
She's still young and optimistic 🙄🤣
One of the problems with law enforcement today is they don't realize that unless a citizen is clearly in violation of the law....we are in charge....not them. Many police officers think that citizens need to do as they say.... because THEY say so.
IOW Ego.
With such a clear violation of The Constitution the law enforcement officers involved should be fired outright & barred from returning to any LEO related job. Disgusting behavior & a gross violation of the trust invested by the public in law enforcement officer's everywhere.
Got to love Steve, just for calling out other lawyers.
So, to be clear, he was calling out the lawyer publicly said no one was threatened with arrest while stipulating court the facts (which included a threat of arrest was made) was true? I might have missed that point. lol. I would hate to see this lawyer being the only one being punished for this Schrodenger's arrest threat.
I'd love to see him call out the lawyer who keeps trying to sue WWE that keeps getting shut down.
I would like to think shared profession or not, one should call out what is wrong regardless of your background. But okay.
I heard recently from someone on TH-cam that western governments hate freedom / liberty; and, quite honestly, with how I've seen things been going down the past 20 years, and with these kinds of cases in the Courts, I am leaning toward the statement holding truth.
Thank you for sharing this story with us all
Perhaps the PD could give up their right to Civil Asset Forfeiture. Either that or place the offending officer and sheriff in a set of public stocks for a day at the seat of county government.
I vote stocks in this matter.
& btw,- because cops practice something (ie asset forfeiture) doesn't necessarily mean they have the right tovdo it.
And let anyone who feels like it throw FUCKING big rocks at them.
What I like to know is how did the sheriff know she tested negative sound like they was in her medical records.
That's in violation of the HIPPA Law.
@@sceptre1922 "HIPAA" (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act) not being snarky, I used to think it was two P's also. Just informing.
@@kimberlycaldwell3124 I'm an RN and was about to do the same. 😜
I believe that she included the negative results in her original (pre hospital and oxygen therapy post) ... post.
The plaintiff should file an ethics complaint with the Wisconsin Bar against the defendant’s attorney.
I can assure you that a threat to my family IS a threat to me. The officer was clearly using threats to pressure her.
We need "losing party pays", even for the gov't. At least for attorney fees.
@@jaysandt8491 I agree ethically, but how can they pay if they're in jail? There should be an easy path to garnishment in these situations. If they don't have an income, it should also be made easy to get a lien on any assets they have. I don't know what happens if they declare bankruptcy.
If it was me, I'd be After the deputy's badge, the Sheriffs badge, AND, the attorneys BAR.
Good on her for fighting this in court. Too many times, things like this get swept under the rug. Gotta keep the man in check.
They still got their way, She removed the post. Even if she reposted it , it’s not going to get the same traction. Excellent video. Thank you for sharing
But now this case is getting way more attention than the original post would of. I do get what your saying tho.
@@R3dRabb1t would've or would have
@@johnrice1943 pretty sure I said it the way I wanted to say it.
Makes sense. Instead of her few friends seeing it, now it has national attention, so it definitely has less traction.
@@R3dRabb1t okay, but it’s grammatically incorrect
9:53 "attorneys MIGHT be allowed to make false statements in Wisconsin, I don't know" I'm dead
ffs, steve spent 20 minutes complaining about this one point 10 times, presumably attorneys have a freedom of speech as well. Is steve supposing that "the state bar" should be holding their conduct/ speech outside of court to a standard ? If only we had an attorney around here to consider this question. B-)
classic!
Just wait until you get to 19:38.
@@ropersonline Why is there going to be a war?
Attorneys like the sheriff's are why no attorney wants to be called a lawyer. Sounds too much like "liar", which is perfectly applicable here.
I bet that family will face petty harassments from deputies for years to come.
Way to to! I am proud of that teenager for standing up for her rights.
The accused was lucky The Wisconsin Institute of Liberty and Law helped with the lawsuit. Most of us dont have money to fight.
@Future Pants I'm glad you got away from that. Sounds like that area's culture is a mess if the cops are comfortable behaving in that way.
@Future Pants Simply put, your case didn’t meet their political goals at the time.
How does one file a grievance against a lawyer for making falsestatement in the official capacity?
You can start at the State Bar
The State Ombudsman Office!
"I am SHOCKED that the attorney for a SHERIFF's department would lie."
Show me a sheriff who does not lie in nearly every encounter.
They lie by omission since they think that still makes it true.
@@toriless They're allowed to lie explicitly to a suspect.
Very true
I would have itemized time lost, court fees, and other such relief as the court deems appropriate.
Certainly to get all their expenses covered!
Hopefully they will sue him civilly.
Nominal damage should cover any court or legal fee's if needed
@@neilkurzman4907 actually yes you can, but ridiculous asking will probably not be approved and too much BS will probably just piss the judge off. But you can reasonably ask for lost time which is basically what it cost you in work hours missed which is calculated, court fees, lawyers fees, and emotional damages
@@neilkurzman4907 You misunderstood what I said. You can say you want these as a result, but it doesn't mean that they have to give you what you want. The judge will look at what you requested for and decide what you deserve from what you requested usually. Which is why requesting ridiculous things should not be considered because you just may effect the judge to see you in a bad light. And yes you are right it's best to do it within what legitimate for the case which is what lawyers should recommend. But they can literally ask for anything it won't be granted and a lot of times it could cause the case to be dismissed as a waste of the courts time.
@@neilkurzman4907 Understood. Funny enough the fact this case didn't really ask for much probably is a factor in making the judge decide that they won. Few people realize that even what they are asking for in damages is taken into account. And yes the OP probably is as you suggested.
Many people that had it, tested negative while sick and then tested positive for antibodies afterwards.
The truly scary part of this is that the Sherriff, who I feel confident has zero medical expertise, believed he had the right to silence someone that potentially posed a severe, emergency health concern for the residents of that area.
The Sherriff and all deputies that upheld these gestapo directives should all be fired. They are all too dangerously mentally incompetent to wear a uniform and carry a weapon.
you actually get a feel of how Steve would be in a court room, love it.
Once a liar, always a liar. The lawyer for the state didn't have any credibility with me to begin with but they definitely have zero now.
Excellent Post , it's lawyers that are the principal problem,
We are being ripped off
@@SkyPilot54 you can definitely tell how much distain Steve has for lawyers that bring bad light to the profession.
Steve.....we both know, and have witnessed, lawyers lying their asses off; then, when called out, they act sooooo confused and bewildered....
So the girl's family is presumably out attorney's fees, not to mention their own time, and yet there is no real penalty for the Sheriff? How is this justice?
😮In Bizzaro World, That IS Justice💔👌👍💫💨💩
This is exactly why body cams are important. It holds everyone accountable.
And some Police department officers don‘t wear them
That's why cops hate cameras.
Why do you say an attorney shouldn’t make false statements in public
But it’s ok for officers to LIE to the public???
The malfeasance of prosecutors (judges as well) is such a serious problem in a lot of jurisdictions that we see prosecutions being used to bully by use of process, just in order to win, its totally unacceptable.
That’s why we have a second amendment. A cop and DA bleeds like I bleed.
The thing that has me shaking my head: while the cops should never have asked her to take down the post to begin with, she’d already agreed to take it down. All that cop had to do was be polite, remain courteous, and not threaten jail time over something where she was already in the process of complying.
The police department should have at least been forced to pay the family’s legal fees. If an attorney represented them for free, he or she deserves to get compensated for this.
I didn't get from the video she had already agreed to take it down. My take away was that as soon as the cop showed up and made demands, she feared trouble, went inside, and took it down. I thought she just walked inside to do it, without saying anything, since it was after it was taken down that the cop made the threat. But maybe he did know, and was just in an intimidation groove or dick swinging. But even so, the cops showing up at your door demanding you do something carries an undeniable threat to you, even if not verbalized. Why send the cops if they aren't going to do cop things?
Fully agree the judge should have ordered legal fees be reimbursed. The government had violated the constitutional rights of the family. No way the family (or a pro bono or working for a reduced rate lawyer) should have eaten that cost.
Personally, were I in her position I would probably have gotten the impression that a threat was implied, but I agree with you. As long as the threat is only implied and not directly stated the officer would have had the ability to pretend that it was just a request.
That said, the police department was stupid for doing this to begin with. That's what China did back in December 2019 which resulted in the whole pandemic going global to begin with. Any police officer that thinks that copying China is the best way to serve an American Community is probably not very intelligent. Even their motivation to intimidate this child is identical to the motivation of China in doing the same.
The problem with all of this (aside from 1st Ammendment issues) is that by intimidating people into silence it keeps other people from knowing that they might have been exposed and it sends messages to others in similar situations to not inform others when they believe that they might have covid. This limits the number of people who would quarantine themselves which increases the number of infections and therefore increases the number of deaths.
I wonder if anyone will sue that police department now claiming that a loved one died of covid who only died because someone they know didn't quarantine because someone else was afraid to tell people they might be infected because of this case. Even if you just get a group of people to say this is what I believed and this was the result it doesn't put the police department in a good position. They created a huge amount of liability for themselves that was at multiple levels unnecessary.
The cops and the lawyer should have been made to state what they did. Then explain why its wrong. Lastly make a public apology. This also should be on all major news media for a week.
I find it amazing that in a case where the facts are not disputed and the case goes to a summary judgement that the court did not award at least attorney's fees.
At some point in time, we're going to have to wake up from this Twilight zone episode and get back to reality. I'm having a hard time supporting police when these sort of instances are becoming more and more prevalent showing that most cops simply don't understand what their job is and where their limits are. I especially cannot support police who make up blatant lies to try and cover their tracks. I'm not in support of defunding any police station but if this is the type of service we're going to receive from those who are in uniform, I'd have to question whether we're paying too much for too little
Just don’t support them They only now are being held accountable because of cameras. Don’t think this is new and couldn’t happen to you or anyone else As long as they keep getting this free ride
Everyone is so afraid of saying defund the police that they are literally letting the cops get away with murder. It's just rational. Too many cops, don't know the laws they are enforcing, violate our rights on a daily basis. He'll yah dufund the police. So many scaird little bitches...
So what has happened this past year? How many times have her and or family and friends gotten pulled over? Has CPS been called? How much has the city retaliated against her family? Has anyone lost their jobs? Did the community turn on the family?
I love how it’s unlikely that attorneys are allowed to make false statements, but it is allowed and encouraged for police to make false statements. Rules for thee but not for me woohoo!
I don’t think Steve likes lawyers that lie.
Most lawyers don't like lawyers that lie ....it rubs off on them all
Nobody does, not even other lawyers - not even other lawyers who also lie, just in a different case or on the other side.
Definitely doesn't if they're in Michigan.
I would've absolutely refused to let my daughter take the post down. That said, I'm a licensed attorney with plenty of vacation time I can take (and I'm kind of a jerk). I can totally understand someone else not wanting to take the ride.
The irony of how some people reacted a certain way because they couldn't tell who may be infected, but when someone announces it to alert everyone that person is threatened with arrest.
You can imagine my surprise that a lawyer lied to the public....
I was shocked to hear that...
@@michaelschneider6106 🤣😂🤣
Ha ha nice Sarcasm!!
For that matter, I dimly recall some recent cases where lawyers told the public they had this long list of evidence, and then turned around and told the courts pretty much "we don't got nuthin'". Anyone else remember that?
@@KaiHenningsen Adam Schiff? LOL
Man wtf. When i heard he said the police wanted her to take down some post I assumed it was something really edgy and was directly provoking the local authorities but no, they were just basic blog posts. The police interjected themselves in a matter that had literally nothing with them. I’m glad she won.
I believe this whole pandemic has caused most people to loose their minds. I’m glad the first amendment was upheld.
LOSE, not "loose".
@@MrPaige222 I see this mistake 15 times a day and it drives me crazy
@@mikegreene8461
And quite often by otherwise articulate people.
I don't get it.
My second biggest annoyance is the new thing where people don't insert the "to be".
"NEEDS REPLACED"
"NEEDS RESTORED"
"NEEDS DETAILED"
Also from otherwise really smart people.
Watch JR go does it all the time. And he has a very strong command of the English language.
@@paigehunt3387 Also when people mispronounce mischievous, triathlon and ask.....arggghhhhh
Boy, those declarations sure will teach that sheriff department
... well I do declare... Yeah, that's gonna help.
2 years hence and both defendants' attorneys are still "active" and "in good standing" with the Wisconsin state bar. Maybe they have a 1.5a. in Wisconsin where attorneys are allowed to use alternative facts in public?
I think the public statement meant to split hairs a different way: the cop didn't name any specific person that might get arrested, so nobody specific was threatened with arrest. Of course, that's still BS - the targets were pretty obviously implied.
The "someone" had to be someone involved, and since no one involved committed a crime, the point remains, even if we don't know who they meant specifically. Any specific answer would be equally illegal.
The cop wouldn't need to specify a person going to jail. There were a group of three family members. The officer was in conversation with one person (the father) and the mother was watching. It was a threat against the family.
@@alanmcentee9457 He wasn't taking himself to jail, although he should have.
There is no pass on the idea of splitting hairs in this case. Police showed up to a particular citizens door made statements that was what was directly implied there is no hair splitting involved in this case it is shocking to the conscience and morally corrupt.
@@sur-real3416 As I said, it's still BS.
The attorney may have been right when he said they weren't threatened with arrest. He said he may take them to jail, which without a valid reason would be a kidnapping not an arrest.
That's still threating to arrest
It would be interesting to learn just what exactly they would Arrest her if she refused to take down the Posts...
To Arrest her or her Parents, they would need to specify what Statue/Law they broke in the Arrest Paperwork...
Their go to disorderly than resisting
But of course the Wisconsin Bar Association is taking no action, kind of like the Police Internal Affairs we have reviewed ourselves and found nothing that conflicts with our Professional Standard. He was only acting to protect his clients image.
You left out. "Plus THAT IS A VIDEO! Our REPORT clearly states a different set of events! And that was the REPORT!".
This is why we need to turn these people into birds again...
Is the Wisconsin Bar Association a lawful government authority...or is it a private monopolistic organization ?
Do they issue *Law Licenses* or just private ( Bar Certificates ?)
They would not be practicing law without a License would they ?
The Wisconsin Bar Association has absolutely nothing to do with disciplining lawyers. If you want to criticize people make sure you're criticizing the right people first.
@@sovereignrights the Wisconsin Bar Association does not issue anybody a license or discipline anyone. The Wisconsin Supreme Court does those things.
Will the sheriff be punished for his actions, probably not because qualified immunity.
Ah, the Sheriff didn't do anything. A deputy made those statements. Since no one was in fact arrested, what penalties did the teen suffer? She was forced to delete an Instagram post, and won a lawsuit about it. This will doubtlessly go in the deputy's file.
@@Caseytify the sherriff is responisble for his deputies actions and whatever action they take on duty represents the sherriffs office not the individual
@@Caseytify The deputy said he was directly ordered by the Sheriff to order the taking down of the post, and take people to jail if the order was not followed. As for the girl, limiting it to "penalties" is a bit off the mark. Fact: she suffered a violation of her constitutional rights under color of authority, so there's that as a harm done to her. The fact she won her case doesn't mean that the injustice she suffered not longer counts, and the perpetrators shouldn't be made accountable because "she won". If anything, exactly the opposite.
@@rhymeswithorange6092 To add to what you're saying, the girl also suffered harm from the school publicly saying the girl was lying and seeking attention
The best consequences are administered at the ballot box. Unfortunately that requires an accurately informed thinking public.
In Australia, the cops get called to have remarks deleted from Facebook......it's crazy....and its on TH-cam...
Any deputy, including those in command, involved in this needs to be fired and banned from ever holding ANY government job. The deputy making the arrest threat needs to go to prison and the attorney making the false statements needs to be disbarred.
Until harsh measures are consistently taken against those in government who abuse their authority this type of behavior will continue.
I'm glad that you are upset by a lying attorney. You always show high personal integrity. As a town engineer, I faced many developer's attorneys who would say anything to try to get me to approve non compliant plans and projects. Unfortunately, we have bad apples in all professions.
I had a developer's attorney threaten to sue me for not approving fraudulent plans. So, I filed a complaint against his Professional Engineer(PE) with the PE Board. The entire subdivision project collapsed at that point. The PE was a friend that I had known since college but, I wasn't going to let an unsafe project be built in my town. Good Luck, Rick
Well, it is possible that the attorney here just assumed that no cop would be this stupid and made the statement before looking at the evidence. Negligence rather than intentionally lying. Still bad, but it is preferable for the attorney if facing an ethics inquiry.
They need you in Florida!
@@boataxe4605 I'm old and retired but I will not live in a place that has more snakes than Nam had. Besides that, I had good politicians that backed me. When they retired, the young politicians got rid of me to help the developers.
How did this Sgt. obtain information as to her medical records and information? That alone sounds highly suspicious!
Cops: I'll never be outta work coz once all the criminals are gone well just arrest innocent people.
they already do and lie to cover it up
Here in California, the criminals will never be all gone, because the government keeps releasing them on various pretexts such as overcrowded jails or the pandemic. I never realized that one of the reasons may be to keep the police departments fully employed.
@@exrobowidow1617 maybe you are sure they are all guilty i am not traffic violations and jaywalking should not be jailble offences but they are now and it is getting worse go ahead and offend an police officer and see how long you spend in prison they lie and the court knows it and they tell them it fine
Mentality, show me a man I'll show you a crook!
@@darleneclarke4001 your statement is proven fact. Absolutely the police lie and then purposely cover it up until oh my, I was actually caught on video surveillance that I was not aware of. Oh well, time to change zip codes and work for a different law enforcement agency.
Steve, when does an Official Misconduct charge comes to the Sheriff and their Deputy for making false statements? Would that be used against the them just like they use everything against us? Official Misconduct must be pursued in this.
@You're Gonna Hate This Oh the irony in this comment.
@@YourSavantWhat do you mean?
@@glasshalffull8625 , citations please
@@glasshalffull8625 , you bring the allegation, YOU bring the citation...
@@glasshalffull8625 not the point, you allege , you prove. That is how it works
Congrats to the plaintiff... Now about the radio stickers: I'm 68 years old in Windsor. I rocked with all of them, and still do 😊🤘
Very sad, with all the available information and training out there, that Police are STILL overstepping their authority in enforcing laws.
One correction: 'enforcing' NON-existent or NON-applicable 'law' in cases of first amendment. "Disorderly conduct?" Not for a constitutionally protected activity.