Given the fact the the victim later died, it’s safe to assume that he was in critical condition at the time of the incident. Consequently the nurse was not only protected her patient’s legal rights, but his medical wellbeing as well. The nurse is a hero!
Nursing is one of the most demanding jobs with low pay, which is why narcissists/sociopaths/psychopaths love to be doctors, bankers, cops, CEOs, generals, judges, lawyers, politicians, preachers, media, sales, etc.. so they can get more money while being admired and worshiped like God.
@@mage1439 Sadly he was too burned and also had internal injuries. Even if he were put immediately in the operating theatre he had no chance to survive.
@@I.am.Sarah. Well, I guess that's better, just because if this guy had contributed to his death to try to pass on blame that would have been really sick.
@@jpnewman1688 This is where the police union should carry or require some kind of insurance, similar to malpractice insurance, for cops. Any such settlement driven by the wrongful actions of a specific cop get paid from that cop's insurance and/or the union that is backing him, and their insurance. If the cop was in line with current department policy and did not exceed his authority then it falls on the department and their malpractice insurance or equivalent.
@@nodwick4231 It's a way of getting the police industry to police itself more effectively. If you are a cop and you have a requirement to carry insurance, then the insurance company is going to have some standards for you to maintain if they are going to be on the hook for your bad behavior. Either your rates go up or your coverage is dropped after bad events which then means you can't be a cop until that is fixed. As it is now they just get a slap on the wrist or maybe fired in many cases, if anything happens, and even if fired they just go to the surrounding counties and get hired there.
What would happen to citizens if we used guns, hand cuffed cops, and locked them in our car, then just let them go 20 minutes later? Would we just loose our job or do you think the cops might come up with a few more charges.
Nurse Wubbles was a fabulous advocate for her patients rights. She is an Olympic skiing competitor with the heart of a lion and knows how to fight. My wife is a nurse and I remember being absolutely FURIOUS when first seeing this incident.
This happened back in 2017. I live in Logan, Utah where the accident happened. It was a terrible accident. In my opinion, I felt like they were attempting to blame this innocent truck driver for the crash. The CDL driver was very innocent. Wrong place, wrong time. That nurse protected her patient's rights. I commend her to this day for doing that. FYI, the hospital stepped up and changed their policy that law enforcement can no longer interact with nursing staff.
I imagine they have to contact the administration. That should have been the “policy” all along. Why go straight to the working nurses in the first place, especially with no warrant.?
@@benjaminsorenson There was a press conference back in 2017 and the hospital set it up for law enforcement to deal with administration and not nurses or doctors. Most of this is on TH-cam as well. The hospital backed the nurse and said she never should have been put in the position in the first place.
@@johnscott2746 Because they were trying to exonerate their buddy and lay the blame on the truck driver. No warrant. No arrest. Driver is unconscious so he cannot consent or deny consent. Nurse simply told the cop the hospital policy, which was agreed to prior by the police department (and by the U.S. Constitution--duh). Cop who put his hands on the nurse was fired. Appealed and lost the appeal. He got hired by a county jail to be a no-benefits assistant 2 years later. Supervisor who told the cop to arrest her was demoted from Lieutenant to Officer, appealed, and lost the appeal. Both got off easy if you ask me.
this makes sense. detective was trying to build a pretext for it being the truck driver's fault and not cops doing a high speed chase that resulted in two deaths
Well deserved settlement. That officer’s behavior was outrageous. She’s calmly explaining the legal policy to the cop with her supervisor and legal staff on speakerphone and the jerk grabs her and slaps cuffs on her.
they are soo on board to follow policy's that are not even legal when it suit them, but when it is a legal policy they just trump that.... that is the kind of police u have all arround the world...
You're right, she's not an attorney, but she was holding a printout of the agreement between the hospital and the police that was specifically about blood draws which she had been trained to. She knew her training, it was clear, but as usual, the police didn't care at all. Certain cops have nothing but contempt for the law and contempt for law-abiding citizens.
The worst crime you commit in this country isn't a crime, its standing up to a cop who is dirty. She's lucky, a lot of people are beaten or killed for not bowing down to them while other cops just like in this case don't do shit. Far too many cops think they are gods and we should all cringe in fear, and those who don't hold that view stand mute and allow those cops to violate the very oath all of them swore to uphold. This is what happens when you give them qualified immunity and the only oversite is fellow cops.
Sweet! What that cop did to her was 100% criminal. He went WAY over his authority to arrest her. But, if he never went to jail, then justice still hasn't been served.
They've settled so no further punishment legally can occur, however his demotion and this now being on his record is going to make future promotion EXTREMELY difficult, short of leaving the state he's stuck at his current rank for a while
I had a similar incident many years ago. I was working as an ER Tech. We had a Pt. come in from a wreck and was unconscious. The officer had went to the lab and asked them to come and draw the pt's blood for a BAC. (Blood Alcohol Count). When I told the lab tech that we had already sent the blood to the lab I was told that the police officer had asked her to get it. I told her it would have to wait and that we had more important things to do to save their life. The Officer then stated that he was going to arrest me for interfering. Another higher ranking officer in plain clothes, then told him that he would arrest the officer for interfering with Pt. care. I was thankful for the other officer standing up for me and the patient..
I love seeing arrogant A$$hole$ lose face. ANOTHER cop threatening to arrest him would be so humiliating. If I was the good officer in this story I would report him for what he did and try to get him fired or at least demoted.
I was a Nursing supervisor on the night shift for 25 years. I had to deal with similar issues many times over the years. We got to the point where senior administration, our attorney and the local and state police department representatives met with us to hash out this issue. Fortunately, this helped quite a bit, at least until a new officer who was a bit too gung-ho joined one of the departments and we needed to contact their Seargent.
@@nedt8778 They did this in this case - the Nurse even showed the officer the policy agreement between his department and the hospital they had drawn up but he still acted the way he did and arrested her - seeing the videos he was clearly on a power trip.
The champion nurse gets a payout, which I believe was too small, and then goes and shares what seems to be a large portion of it with other groups to further their righteous causes. What an extraordinary person she is and a supreme role model to all those around her. The world needs more people like this wonderful woman.
She had no option. If she did a blood draw she would have been fired and possibly charged with assault, and sued. She did the right thing in checking with her supervisors.
Hey Steve Lehto, You missed an important point in the story. The nurse was reading the police department's policy to the officer and that's the main reason she said no to the blood draw. Also she was on the phone with her supervisor and her boss said no as well. The cop was trying to ignore his own department's policy. And since the police were chasing the guy in the pickup truck which crashed into the semi truck they were hoping to put some kind of blame on the semi driver (hoping he was intoxicated).
Yeah, just like I said in my video. These days the cops are so busy commiting and covering up their own crimes that they don't have any time to do anything positive for the public. Thus, we might as well just shut them down completely.
i remember this... the video was disturbing. i'm glad i wasn't there, i would've been arrested too cause i would've lost it the way he treated her. it was more then wrongful arrest, it was assault and excessive force.
Same here. I remember watching it and being generally pretty angry. The cop should have been disciplined. And he should be paying the settlement himself...
And the whole reason the cops wanted the blood draw? To try and reduce and/or evade any responsibility for the crash as a result of their high-speed chase.
I've read that the officers involved in the high speed chase had broken several protocols. The request for a blood test was to divert attention to what actually happened.
I read an article about this a while back. Under the local police procedures the police should have broken off the high speed pursuit well before the accident happened. Which means the police could be held at least partially responsible for the accident and deaths. It is believed that the police were hoping that the truck driver (the victim) would be found to have alcohol or drugs in his system so they could shift responsibility away from themselves. Also, if I remember correctly, this was a perfect example of police deliberately conducting the arrest in a way that would catch the nurse by surprise - so she would pull away - so they could charge her with resisting arrest.
If you saw the dash cam there was not a snowballs chance in hell to blame the truck driver. He was in the far right lane of traffic going in the opposite direction of the chace, not one single chance to blame him its believed that the suspect committed suicide hitting the truck on purpose, it caused an inferno instantly in the truck. It was horrendous absolutely horrendous!
I'm glad this nurse got justice. I've had officers threaten nurses in our ER. They were trying to get the nurse to release information protected by HIPAA.
She confirmed it with her boss on the cell phone before she was arrested that the blood draw couldn’t happen, she believed it was not permitted and then confirmed it with the cop standing right there when she was on the phone with her supervisor. I remember that video
@@turbowarp The problem being he violated the man's rights. Being suspected of a crime is not the same as being charged with a crime. He would still need to get a warrant to draw the blood. Watch the video it explains why.
As a nurse who worked 20 years in ER/Trauma, my position was that the hospital was for health care. Anything not in the strict interest of health care, I wasn't going to participate in. At one point HCA facility where I worked tried to train the ER nurses to draw blood for evidence (special bags and chain of custody stuff.) Nope. I'm not saying that some people don't need to go to jail. But that investigation needs to happen outside of the health care system. Drawing that 5cc of blood, if not used to make clinical decisions, was outside of my scope of practice. I would be inflicting an injury. Sometimes it wasn't easy to keep to that rule. There were times when I realized I was working on a seriously bad person. But an RN has a duty to the health of the patient. If I was going to start drawing blood for the cops then I was part of the penal system and I didn't sign up for that.
Kudos to you sir. Medical professionals hold people's lives in their hands. It's a sacred trust. Forcibly deputizing healthcare workers into law enforcement ends up discouraging people from seeking care when they may be at their most desperate need, and so, predictably, more people will die who didn't need to. It absolutely beggars comprehension that so many people don't get this.
Interesting i hadn't really thought of it like that, however it does leave an invasive medical procedures in the hands of none clinical staff. If correctly approached ie warrant, consent, etc. .. personally I would trust a professional, with knowledge of my condition and a duty of care to undertake such a procedure. It also would give a clear opportunity for the medical professionals to challenge a warrant that might reasonably cause a risk to the patients care.
I completely agree with your position. And the fact that you managed to work the words “doodie” and “penal” into the same paragraph is quite impressive. 😂🤣✌️
I very much respect that. As a person who never has driven under the influence if I came in I would beg you to do my blood draw. I have a terrible fear of blood draws since a bad incident. I routinely faint during blood draws and lay down for safety. My veins collapse so they have to use a butterfly needle. There is often a bruise the size of an orange afterwards also. I can’t count how many times an IV insertion has resulted in a blown vein. I usually have to send the person to get someone else and tell them to take a walk for a view as they are upset. I know where the good spots are but sometimes people don’t listen. The good nurses ask and you tell them this place works but the back of the hand the veins roll etc
The battle to get the body camera footage is a VERY large part of the story. The nurses demand to get the footage was blocked repeatedly by means that I see as only marginally legal. Apparently her initial efforts to obtain the recording prompted several responses that (unfortunately unrecorded) really ought to be considered outright threats. If your attorney says “don’t talk to them, let me do it.” That’s really good advice.
Threats are why one man in Denver didn't complain when cops "shot a man who didn't need to be shot" and the man telling me this said he was warned that his name and home address would be on any reports he filed, and accessible to the cop. So he didn't report. Some older black men know subtext when they see it. Same town where, in highschool, two cops laughed, litterally laughed about tricking a judge into weapons charhes on a middle school girl that didn't deserve it. We need a short leash on force. There is corruption but we don't have the mechanisms to address it. We need better separations between powers. We need better enforcement. We need... many mechanisms in place.
I had another idea. Because the semi driver was hit by someone fleeing the police the detective may have been afraid he would sue the police department for their culpability of not breaking pursuit when it became dangerous to others. The detective may have been trying to get a blood sample in hopes the semi driver was under the influence of a substance which would cover the department in the event of said lawsuit.
As a fellow RN I have mad respect for this nurse and being a true patient advocate. One of our primary responsibilities is to protect and advocate for those patients who are unable to advocate for themselves. I applaud what she is going to do with the judgement. It shows what type of character she has. There needs to be changes with these body cameras. Once an officer is involved in responding and starting to interact in a situation they must turn on their camera and NOT be allowed to mute, block its view or turn it off. I have seen cops in the ER gather together and turn their cameras off for a few minutes to discuss what type of charges they can come up with and try to pile on. It is so wrong!
Yes, but she is also very kind and generous. She is donating most of the money and setting up a legal fund to help people obtain body cam footage. She deserves more money to donate. I hope that her legal fund takes off.
She also called the hospital legal dep for authorization and they denied the detective. He was butt hurt and took it out on the nurse. She was amazing. Good for her. And i hope they will not succeed in there appeal. They should be on the Brady list
Correct. She also didn't stop them from doing the draw, they were ordering HER to do the blood draw, and she refused after speaking with legal. Instead of asking another nurse or speaking with legal, he arrested her. This was pure contempt of cop.
As I recall from when the story/video first broke, the police department had previously agreed to the hospitals procedure for needing a warrant/consent(That's how she knew she was right, she had the paper work in front of her with the police agreeing to it), they had the hospital's lawyer on the phone telling the cops they were in the wrong and advise they speak to their superiors, but ignored all that and did what they wanted. When your police chief agreed to the policy, and the hospitals lawyer is telling you to think twice on something, it's only a shock the settlement wasn't higher.
I agree, Nurse Wubbles should have taken them to the cleaners, then for a long long road trip, letting them tie a nice neat noose for the police and hospital security who should have dropped the police officer who put his hands on a nurse.
I posted the same thing before reading more comments. She was doing EXACTLY what she was supposed to do according to a written agreement between the hospital and the police.
Yep, the settlement should have been ten times that amount, at least. ie $5 million. Only when settlements are SO LARGE that the heads of department of the police/other government agencies, or the insurance companies which insure them, when THOSE executives go to bed at night crying, wondering how they're gonna balance the books over the coming year, after a $5 million chunk out of their annual budget... THAT is when they will ensure their underlings obey the law.
She knew the right thing to do because it was hospital policy not to draw blood for police if the patient was unconscious and could not consent unless police had a warrant. She knows her job!
I remember when this happened, it was several years ago. The nurse was well informed because at the time she consulted the hospital's attorney and had a written memo regarding when they could and could not draw blood. I think the memo was distributed with the approval of the county's attorney. All of which the detective and fellow officers ignored.
The nurse was also following the Hippocratic Oath that no harm would come to her patient and doing her job...as frankly any competent nurse would do to keep any asshats away from patients.
@@GlanderBrondurg Nurses don't swear the Hippocratic Oath, they swear the Nightingale Pledge. I know, I am both an RN and an MD, I have sworn both the Pledge and the Oath. Anyway, many don't know and/or misunderstand what the Hippocratic Oath states or means, as you demonstrated here. The primary responsibility under the Hippocratic Oath is to teach. In addition, many actually take various different versions of the Oath, and some take an entirely different Oath. Doctor means teacher. But many don't listen anyway, the pandemic is a perfect example.
The Detective called a Lieutenant at the station for directions. He told him to get the sample. That is why the Lieutenant was demoted to Officer and the Detective ended up being fired.
I had always gotten the impression that the cops wanted the blood drawn to show the truck driver was drunk so it would absolve the cops of the possibility of being sued for the chase or pursuit fatality.
Worse, it was the Logan city cops who screwed up the pursuit, and the Salt Lake City cops whose detective and Lieutenant went off the rails trying to do their buddies from another jurisdiction a favor, and a University of Utah (state agency) officer assigned to the university's hospital who went along with their illegal behavior.
I guess it should be pointed out that either a nurse knew the law better than a law enforcement office or the law enforcement officer was okay with lying and breaking the law. No matter which is true we need better ways to pick law enforcement officers.
when a nurse does not know and uphold the HIPPA laws, the nurse loses his/her job and perhaps also license to practice. When a cop does not know and uphold the law, he/she gets a paid vacation and/or a transfer to another precinct.
Easy: do away with qualified immunity and remove prosecutorial discretion from cases where the perpetrator is a cop - i.e. cops have to be prosecuted. Maybe even to away with the option to strike a deal. These problems would go away in an instant.
If this is the Wubbels case, she had the police procedure in her hands when she was talking to the detective as the police department had set guidelines with the hospital when and how blood samples can be drawn by police. It was reported she "refused" to draw blood when her demeanor was less confrontational. Right before the arrest, Nurse Wubbels was pointing out that their own police procedure did not allow this sample to be taken. The detective then went full ballistic with little provocation and lunged at her to arrest her.
They were trying to find some other way to cover up the fatal crash. There was no need for the victims blood. The bad guy was dead at the scene. They didn't want to be responsible for the truck drivers death, and would have gotten away with except that he was a reserve officer and Nurse Wubble stood up.
The bad guy? The? Sounds like the cops were bad guys too. Even the university police. I've seen enough on Steve's channel since I started watching to confidently shoot any judge or cop that crosses my path. There's no justice otherwise. Don't think so? When is the cop going to get convicted for assault, kidnapping, and intimidation locally and violating 18 USC 242 among others federally? When!? It takes a riot for a cop to get a trial!
Thank you for the full explanation of the incident. The nurse should not have accepted the settlement. She should have taken the suit to court and had a jury decide an amount. The officers involved should have been sued individually and they should all have faced criminal charges, and be in prison for they’re gross misconduct.
Many years ago I was employed in a patient facing position at a long term care facility. One of the first things I was told by my supervisor was that barring some form of court order stating a specific cause for their presence would not under any circumstances be permitted to enter the facility. There several reasons given for this such as patient privacy, potential of causing undue emotional discomfort to others in the facility (their physical physical, mental and emotional well being was an inherent aspect of our job) and also of course HIPA. I watched the relative video back when it first hit the web and was blown away by the sheer ignorance and lack of any sense of right and wrong, not to mention absolute absence of compassion by the poorly educated officers involved.
What's really scary is I feel like that detective was trying to pin the whole car crash situation on a man who was on his deathbed which is disgusting that detective really needs to take a long look in the mirror and realize the monster that he has become
They weren't trying to pin anything on the driver. Just gather evidence that could be used to weasel out of a civil action. That blood draw would have been tossed out on it's behind in a criminal court. In a civil trial the evidentiary standards are much lower.
i'm a law-and-order guy, but i also see that there are some really bad cops out there. part of the problem is the training. some departments only require a short training course. others require a 4 year degree in criminal justice, so that the police know what their constitutional limitations are. those departments always pay more than the ones with lower quality cops. but they save money in the long run, by their cops NOT doing things that bring lawsuits on the city. one multi-million $ lawsuit wipes out all that money you would've saved by hiring a cheap cop with a power trip mentality. i wish i could say that would solve ALL the problems, but at least it would help create a culture where the good ones know the rules, so they are more inclined to root out the bad ones.
Thanks Steve! The only thing overlooked is that she got on the phone with legal staff and actually brought out the agreement between SLC police and the hospital that specifically outlines the conditions that must exist for a blood draw absent consent, and since none of those conditions existed, she couldn’t legally do it. They assaulted and arrested her anyways! Half a million is cheap and I hope that former officer does time
Some police have nothing but contempt for the law and contempt for citizens. All that guy wanted to do was bully her and then the lieutenant wanted to gaslight her because all he did was lie to her. Oath-breaking scumbags.
*That's my thought exactly. They got away with a slap on the wrist. Should have sued for around $10 million and settled for $5 million. Then the police won't make that mistake again.* *At $500,000 it's going to be business as usual because #1 it's not coming out of the officer's pocket and #2 it's a pittance in comparison to what they get to run the police department.*
You forgot to mention that there was an agreement between the PD and the hospital which said he couldn't draw blood w/o a warrant, and this was explained to the "detective" who ignored it.
It wasn’t an “agreement”, it’s the law. Obtaining blood evidence from an unconscious patient without their consent requires a warrant. The officer in question broke the law and should have been stripped of any authority immediately and should never be allowed to hold a similar position again.
@@lizcollinson2692 "Under arrest" isn't necessarily enough. In order to obtain the blood sample, they would need one of the following: 1. Warrant (nope...) 2. Consent of the patient (unconscious, so can't give it obviously. They tried to claim federal regulations said the patient possessing a CDL gave implied consent to a blood test, but they were unaware, or intentionally misstating, that regulation: it says a CDL holder gives implied consent TO THEIR EMPLOYER, not law enforcement, to test for alcohol or illegal drugs after they're involved in a fatal accident). 3. Reasonable suspicion of intoxication (conditions of the accident make it clear there wasn't any).
@@lizcollinson2692 Even if someone is under arrest, a nurse can not draw their blood for law enforcement. They need consent or a warrant. And if you are a nurse (or phlebotomist), that consent better be signed.
@@troodon1096 "Implied consent" is not legally binding. To operate on a person the nurse would need full consent or he violates the law. No one can force you to a medical procedure unless they have a warrant. Suspicion of DUI does not change anything. They still need a warrant or signed consent. The nurse can not judge someone's intoxication by looking. Thus they can not decide if a person requires a blood test. Their sole purpose is to draw the blood. The nurse can lose their job for drawing blood without a warrant or consent. That becomes a battery. The nurse can also be sued and even charged if there is no consent or warrant.
Thank god justice was actually done, and thanks for shining a light on this Steve. I'm stunned that the nurse, despite being (I assume) relatively poorly paid, is going to donate so much of the award. What a star!
@@Joe-hp8kb I would agree. I'm also sad that her 'colleague', ostensibly there to protect her, and to whom she called out for help, instead assisted the thug who arrested her.
And if I remember correctly, when she was talking to the cop she was showing him the paperwork between the police and the hospital on the conditions to pull blood, and he disregarded her completely.
I saw this on TH-cam when it happened. I’m so glad the nurse was victorious, and it’s crazy to now learn the actual details of what was going on. I’m honestly not surprised this nurse knew the law, my aunt has been a nurse her whole life and she is by far the smartest person in our entire family!
The nurse knew the policy agreement between the police department and the hospital. She cited that policy, and even got her supervisor to repeat the same policy to the detective. The detective still demanded the nurse to draw a blood sample from the victim, despite being told the policy agreement twice. The detective has no legal right to get the blood sample, or to compel the nurse to draw the sample. He has no right to arrest, or detain the nurse for refusing to comply to his unlawful demands. The hospital's officer is incompetent in failing to intervene to stop the detective from putting his hands on the nurse.
Cops were fishing hoping he had something in his system they could use to blame him for getting hit and avoid a wrongful death suite for endangering the public by wrecklessly maintaining pursuit.
As I recall this story, at the time of this a counter, there were policy's and procedures between the hospital and law enforcement, the detective was clearly violated these rules that were in place. It looked like the highway patrol were in a high speed chase that caused the accident, and may have been doing a bit of CYA to cover there departments accountability in the accident. Good for the nurse in getting the settlement for doing the right thing for her patient.
At 10:15 you credited her for knowing the law. As I recalled she quoted hospital policy concerning blood draws in these situations and, as I recall, the policy had an understanding between law enforcement and the hospital about warrants in these situations. She knew the law because her employer educated her on this.
A nurse is accountable for knowing the law and for continuing education per state license standards. Apparently you do not understand her responsibility to that and as patient advocate. ~ retired RN
@@sacrebleu1371 Your statement about continuing ed is as true as it is irrelevant. She did not cite a continuing education class to prove she was right. She did not call a class instructor for backup. She produced a document from her employer and called her supervisor, a hospital employee for corroboration. It was the hospital that educated her on policy and was her go to source. And no, I’m not tempted to say apparently you do not understand her responsibility to her employer.
YESSSSSSS!! I've been following this story and when I saw your title, I was hoping it was this nurse and it is!!!! I'm happy, she deserves it. As a retired nurse myself, I couldn't believe what she went through. But I'll tell you, I would have done the same thing as she did if in that situation! 😊
@C. W. Sayre - Juliette Oscar Alpha November November Echo... The phonetics of her name. This is not something that common people would know. Emergency dispatch use a little different phonetics than the international that the hammies use... She used the international names for the letters. Dispatchers, Amateurs, Military, and Air Traffic communicators would use the international... It was a nod and compliment that I liked how she did her name here on TheTube. Its a Techie Nerd thing 😜😜👍👍
I’m a retard police officer, and I always deferred to nurses and Drs. in hospital settings. I wanted them to know that I respected them and still do. As an officer, I always had it in the back of my mind that I might be on a gurney coming in there someday.
I was a truck driver for a few years and later went to nursing school. You learn quite a bit about what you can and can’t do when interacting with police in regards to patient privacy and rights. You study countless hours for school and even more for your license and you get these types of ethical questions asked because you are indeed advocating for your patient much like a lawyer would do and should you leak any information about a patient it could be a major violation and your licensure put in jeopardy. One thing they drill into you in nursing school is to protect your license at all costs!
@@e-curb Wrong. Violate any Medicare rule or hospital policy and see how long you last as a nurse. Hospitals have policies for a reason; to protect themselves from lawsuits AND not to lose their Medicare accreditation. If you lose Medicare's accreditation, then other insurance companies follow quickly. Because that means they need to go in and inspect the hospital and see that it meets all the requirements. Insurance companies accept Medicare's accreditation because it saves them from doing it. Performing a procedure on any patient without their consent, or a warrant, is a violation. The only exception is in an emergency and the patient can not consent.
@@e-curb I don't think you know much about just how easy it is to lose your nursing license. The hospitals will always, always throw the nurse under the bus.
I remember when this story originally happened. The old cop went crazy when she refused to do as he demanded. She was following hospital policy/procedure. I love it when cops like this get their just reward (fired). Too bad the taxpayers have to foot the settlement bill.
I saw this story awhile back and if I remember right the nurse stated she was following established hospital guidelines that the police officer determined to ignore .
I was horrified when I saw the arrest video. I'm so relieved it has been settled with positive outcome. I just pray this poor woman has no lasting emotional damage.
She will have PTSD. Her settlement should have been 50 million. She shouldn't have to work another day in her life. PTSD is real. Any time she sees a cop she will relive that moment.
@@jamesupton143 50 million? Why not 500 million? How about a billion? If not, why not? You understand that the citizens are the ones on the hook for that right? 500k is plenty.
This nurse has got numerous people fired from the University ICU over the years for bogus and made up things and for things *she did while blaming others* To the public she's a "hero"; to those in the private that have dealt with her falsification and manipulation have nothing nice to say about her. She stated for multiple times to someone she got fired that she wanted to have an interaction with an officer so she could ruin him. Looks like she got her wish ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Sounds like the police were doing it to protect themselves since they could be implicated in causing the accident. That lady deserves a medal. If only more people were like her, our society would be much better off.
I remember when this happened and part of the problem was the police chased the suspect into on coming traffic which was against the department regulations and the cops were trying to cover-up their wrong doing. The camera footage also showed her explaining the regulation to the officers while holding a copy of it in her hand that they could not get a sample because he was in such bad shape and was unable to give consent. A lawyer later stated that when the patient was admitted a blood panel would have had to be run to type his blood and check for drugs or alcohol in his system and that the police would have been able to see that after it was done. The officer involved also made several threats that were caught on camera as well.
@@jguenther3049 I was wondering about that. The hospital certainly had drawn blood and the cop could have gotten a warrant for that. However, if he had tried to contaminate the blood sample, he would have been caught because of that earlier test.
@@SeanPat1001 IF there was a previous test, you're right. But as I read the account of the incident, the nurse indicated the patient was too critical for a blood draw. That may mean the cop would have had the only specimen. He certainly acted as if that were the case. A former cop told me they interfered with breathalyzer operation regularly, forcing the needle into intoxication territory. You should trust cops as far as you can toss a live bull up a silo.
@@SeanPat1001 A lot of them are alcoholics, which adds another dimension to their behavior. We had a LEO in our writing workshop. He told us my perp in a story wouldn't act as I showed them behaving. The perp was based on an actual case, but the LEO was totally sure he'd not act that way. His mind was made up.
I am from Australia and I remember this incident very well. At the time I could not believe my eyes at what this police officer was doing to this nurse who was just following her hospital regulations. I remember her cries for help from hospital security and no one stepped up to assist her. Normally I would support the police, but this officer's actions were just so wrong. The nurse deserved every bit of compensation and more. She is truly one of God's Angels on Earth. I hope the cop was sacked.
The detective was fired, and his appeal was rejected. The same thing happened to the hospital officer who did not protect the nurse or stop the detective from assaulting, arresting, and detaining her.
What a wonderful person this nurse is. Not only did she do her job brilliantly but now plans to use some of the money to help others. I hope she keeps a couple of hundred thousand for herself.
@@M3RBMW the nurse does not have qualified immunity. She could be sued personally along with the hospital for drawing blood for the Leo while the Leo is immune from such a suit.
@@M3RBMW I have no issue with what you said -- the nurse is a brave and wonderful person. She had strength of character. If she complied with the police officer, there would also be negative consequences for her *later*.... but nobody thinks of that in the moment. She was put in the position she was in because the police officer would not expect to face negative consequences due to qualified immunity for police officers. (She would be charged for her crime of obeying the police officer...the police officer would not be held accountable legally, and could not be sued personally.) The reason she didn't comply with the LEO's officer also had to be good training... she knew the law the police officer wanted to break and chose to have no part of it, even though she faced illegal detention for compliance with the law. --- You said you didn't understand Ian's point. That was his point --- she's accountable under the law, the police officer isn't -- therefore, she was trained in how she needed to behave to comply with the law when pressured to break it by a police officer. Without the training, just being a brave and good person would not have been enough... one's first instinct is to comply with the color of the law and expect them to behave ethically.
I am a nurse with a trauma Hospital, we had a detective and an officer come in to get a signed statement from a patient (no death involved). we had given the patient lots of heavy duty narcotics and was not able to think clearly. I refused them entry into his room. The management with this hospital came after me because as they said, we need the police as our friends. Was I right to refuse the police due to the patient not being able to give a statement due to impairment from medications . Even the MD's agreed with me.
The hospital police knew the policy agreement between the police department and the hospital, yet didn't help the nurse in enforcing it. They let the detective violate the law, and said nothing. All of them should be fired.
What catches my attention is that back when this was going down it came out that the cops were trying to cover up a chase that was supposed to be suspended due to public safety
Seen the video... she even read their on pd policy to him, between the pd and hospital. It shows that he's done this before, because he was so comfortable with doing it in the first place.
As someone who worked in the nursing field for a short time, I can say this.. Smart healthcare professionals will not only maintain their medical knowledge, but will also learn legal knowledge related to that field specifically. Especially employees that are expected to work with either police or other government entities.
Additionally, the Utah implied consent law is for breath only (not blood) and only if the suspect is under arrest. A warrant is required to draw blood.
Steve...the DETECTIVE that was fired from the Salt Lake City Police Department because of what he did in this incident had worked there for a long time. Detective Jeff Payne showed up at the hospital, barged in the ER and immediately demanded that THIS nurse (she was in charge that day) draw blood from the unconscious man for him. She informed Detective Payne that he needed a search warrant, probable cause or the man's permission, and told him that SHE would not draw the man's blood WITHOUT one of those LEGALLY COMPELLING reasons. Payne lost his temper badly, grabbed her violently and manhandled her using arm control to take her out of the ER to the parking lot, cuffing her immediately, telling her she was under arrest and placing her in the back of his unmarked police sedan for 20-30 minutes. THAT is how he got himself, the Lieutenant and Salt Lake City Police Department in so much trouble. She was 100% right, Detective Payne and the demoted Lieutenant were DEAD WRONG, as were the other two officers who worked at the hospital for NOT intervening and stopping Payne from doing what he did to the nurse.
Steve, this was a situation I paid close attention to at the time. The hospital had a joint policy that was approved by the police department that states the conditions for drawing a medicolegal specimen from a patient. Those conditions included patient consent or a warrant. This was the stated policy of the hospital and had been signed off by the police department. The nurse presented the policy to the detective and went over the conditions in the written policy. Thus, the Nurse had prior guidance that was vetted by hospital lawyers and presumably lawyers associated with the police department. She was doing her job and as such, the Hospital should have sued the police as well. I work in a hospital, and I wish I would have been there, because I would have officially trespassed the detective from the property, and instructed all the hospital personnel there that they were beholden to enforce the agreed policy as a part of their jobs. I watched the video of the incident, and I was appalled that no one else stood up for this nurse with any official force of action.
The settlement was reached almost 5 years ago. There is a whole wikipedia article about it, look up "2017 University of Utah Hospital incident". Legislation was actually passed because of this incident. The cops appealed their punishment to no avail.
@@fabriglas the one that cuffed her was fired..his boss was bucked down from LT to a street officer.. they both blamed each other, they both appealed they both lost
My experience with "implied consent" is narrowly focused based on my time as a health care provider. I would provide life-saving treatment to an unconscious patient based on the idea the patient would want to live. Outside of that, law enforcement is not entitled to intervene based on the same idea without a warrant. At least that is how it worked in the ER and/or the transport ambulance. Good on the nurse for protecting her patient.
Indeed. The only situation in which consent can be implied is when it involves measures saving a patient unable to give consent. Everything else is BS.
The implied consent in this case has to do with a CDL driver involved in a fatal accident. However, the police were either unaware, or intentionally misstating, what that implied consent was: federal law says a CDL holder gives implied consent to their employer (NOT law enforcement) to test for alcohol and/or illegal drugs if they're involved in a fatal accident.
That's what is so frustrating, that she was showing the detective the law/ policy that both the hospital & police department previously signed and agreed to. The new protocols that were put in place after this trainwreck was that if police needed to get access to a patient, they could no longer go directly to any of the nurses/ healthcare workers. They would have to go to some liason at the hospital so that arrangements could be made to avoid cops from hindering healthcare staff from rendering aid/ protection to their patients, like it should be.
@@stevef68 Very true! The changes in protocol that happened after this ordeal was that the cops could no longer go directly to the nurses/ healthcare workers, they now have to go through some administrator/ liason. That detective and his boss were very wrong, and didn't care, like you said!
The way I understood it at the time they had one but the detective was so out of his mind he refused to go by that protocol. I believe the hospital had an agreement with law enforcement how to handle such cases.
If he was HER patient she did an AMAZING job caring for and representing her patient. I hope her situation taught many other nurses around the country about what to do properly and be in the right in this case.
I remember seeing the video of this shortly after it happened, being a Paramedic, we are often called to draw blood and I have outright refused until I see and receive a copy of the warrant. In training, we go through an entire course on legalities of practicing medicine and this is pointed out, all this was 20 years ago when I went though it. That cop was plainly arrogant and reminded me of Cartman from South Park screaming "you will respect my authority". Not just him, but a couple of other officers that were there also. Working side by side with cops for as long as I did, you could always spot these kinds of cops and they generally went one of two ways for their career, either they end up crashing and burning and being fired or worse, the other way they tend to go is straight up to the top. The best cops I have ever worked with were the cool headed ones that didn't try to push their authority around and usually stayed in patrol and end up being supervisors or trainers.
She contacted the hospital administrator while the detectives were there and was told not to allow the blood draw. There is a lot of videos that have been out since that happened. It went to the governor and was a national story which is the only reason they were forced to settle. The police department's tried really hard to smear her and muddy up the waters until it became a national story.
I remember seeing the original footage, i'm pretty sure i saw a yt creator who compiled all the bodycam footage, but also looked like security cam footage from certain areas of the hospital. After seeing it, i'm glad she got this outcome it was well deserved and she seems to want to put it to good use.
Because we, Nurses, are trained extensively on patient care laws, HIPPA, state and federal health care laws. We are tested on them on yearly basis. That nurse did the absolute right thing, because 1) She cared for the patient rights, 2) she knew the law 3) she knew if SHE did the draw or allowed others to do the draw she would be committing medical battery and could lose her license. I remember when this happened and to this day makes my blood boil! Not just because I am an RN/RCIS but by the arrogance of the police! Thank you for the update.
What you haven't highlighted was that the nurse was acting on the advice of the hospital management, who had a clear policy on this specific issue. This was made perfectly clear to the arresting officer, but he made a violent arrest anyway. The fatal police chase was probably illegal, and the police were hoping to find drugs or alcohol in the victim's blood to deflect blame from their actions. As a footnote, the nurse was a former Olympian with the US skiing team.
Given the fact the the victim later died, it’s safe to assume that he was in critical condition at the time of the incident. Consequently the nurse was not only protected her patient’s legal rights, but his medical wellbeing as well. The nurse is a hero!
If he later died, then I feel like the cop should be charged with manslaughter. Who knows whether this helped kill him.
Nursing is one of the most demanding jobs with low pay, which is why narcissists/sociopaths/psychopaths love to be doctors, bankers, cops, CEOs, generals, judges, lawyers, politicians, preachers, media, sales, etc.. so they can get more money while being admired and worshiped like God.
@@mage1439 Sadly he was too burned and also had internal injuries. Even if he were put immediately in the operating theatre he had no chance to survive.
@@I.am.Sarah. Well, I guess that's better, just because if this guy had contributed to his death to try to pass on blame that would have been really sick.
@@mage1439 Also she actually got compensated back in 2017. Sure took a long time to get to Steve.
It was a 'YOU WILL RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAY" moment, which is common. Sadly the cop wasn't charged with the crimes he committed against the nurse.
And who are the ones paying for that sheep dog's abuses?
@@jpnewman1688 That would be the sheep the dogs demand respect from.
@@jpnewman1688 This is where the police union should carry or require some kind of insurance, similar to malpractice insurance, for cops. Any such settlement driven by the wrongful actions of a specific cop get paid from that cop's insurance and/or the union that is backing him, and their insurance. If the cop was in line with current department policy and did not exceed his authority then it falls on the department and their malpractice insurance or equivalent.
@@avi8r66 I don't see why they would need insurance. Prisons are cheap, and police officers have a mighty fine time in there.
@@nodwick4231 It's a way of getting the police industry to police itself more effectively. If you are a cop and you have a requirement to carry insurance, then the insurance company is going to have some standards for you to maintain if they are going to be on the hook for your bad behavior. Either your rates go up or your coverage is dropped after bad events which then means you can't be a cop until that is fixed. As it is now they just get a slap on the wrist or maybe fired in many cases, if anything happens, and even if fired they just go to the surrounding counties and get hired there.
Now the police officer should be indicted for aggravated kidnapping.
That would make too much sense.
What would happen to citizens if we used guns, hand cuffed cops, and locked them in our car, then just let them go 20 minutes later?
Would we just loose our job or do you think the cops might come up with a few more charges.
Good point, make it stick
@@peoplenewstoday I bet you won't be alive for them to press charges.
BTW - do you vote?
Which planet did you just come from?
Nurse Wubbles was a fabulous advocate for her patients rights. She is an Olympic skiing competitor with the heart of a lion and knows how to fight. My wife is a nurse and I remember being absolutely FURIOUS when first seeing this incident.
Sadly no one else present had even 1/4 of the stones that she does. Not a one of them lifted a finger to prevent the crime.
Agreed 100%. I am a retired Trooper and a retired CDL truck driver (second career). Good for the nurse and her compassion.
This happened back in 2017. I live in Logan, Utah where the accident happened. It was a terrible accident. In my opinion, I felt like they were attempting to blame this innocent truck driver for the crash. The CDL driver was very innocent. Wrong place, wrong time. That nurse protected her patient's rights. I commend her to this day for doing that. FYI, the hospital stepped up and changed their policy that law enforcement can no longer interact with nursing staff.
What do cops have to do now to interact with hospital staff? Who do they deal with?
I imagine they have to contact the administration. That should have been the “policy” all along. Why go straight to the working nurses in the first place, especially with no warrant.?
@@benjaminsorenson There was a press conference back in 2017 and the hospital set it up for law enforcement to deal with administration and not nurses or doctors. Most of this is on TH-cam as well. The hospital backed the nurse and said she never should have been put in the position in the first place.
@@benjaminsorenson They have to deal with the house supervisors instead of the nurses and are no longer allowed to go to the patient-care areas.
@@johnscott2746 Because they were trying to exonerate their buddy and lay the blame on the truck driver. No warrant. No arrest. Driver is unconscious so he cannot consent or deny consent. Nurse simply told the cop the hospital policy, which was agreed to prior by the police department (and by the U.S. Constitution--duh).
Cop who put his hands on the nurse was fired. Appealed and lost the appeal. He got hired by a county jail to be a no-benefits assistant 2 years later.
Supervisor who told the cop to arrest her was demoted from Lieutenant to Officer, appealed, and lost the appeal.
Both got off easy if you ask me.
this makes sense. detective was trying to build a pretext for it being the truck driver's fault and not cops doing a high speed chase that resulted in two deaths
Later they even admitted that in the chase several policys were not followed.
This was all a try to cover up their own failures
This is correct...they knew they fucked up and wanted some form of cover
@@paul.van.santvoord1232 - Typical.
The video of the accident shows the that the truck driver was the innocent party in the collision!
exactly
Well deserved settlement. That officer’s behavior was outrageous. She’s calmly explaining the legal policy to the cop with her supervisor and legal staff on speakerphone and the jerk grabs her and slaps cuffs on her.
He was a part-time cop AND A PART TIME EMS
@@niyablake I wouldn’t him to be an EMT in an ambulance I was the patient in because, he has no morals or understanding of law. Untrustworthy.
they are soo on board to follow policy's that are not even legal when it suit them, but when it is a legal policy they just trump that.... that is the kind of police u have all arround the world...
@@unsearchablethings8167 OH they fired him the minute it made the news, no ambulance company wants that kind of liability
What do you expect of a sheep dog?
And who's going to pay for the settlement?
The nurse remained calm, contacted administration, and ADVOCATED FOR HER PATIENT!!!
No, she was traumatized.
You're right, she's not an attorney, but she was holding a printout of the agreement between the hospital and the police that was specifically about blood draws which she had been trained to. She knew her training, it was clear, but as usual, the police didn't care at all. Certain cops have nothing but contempt for the law and contempt for law-abiding citizens.
The worst crime you commit in this country isn't a crime, its standing up to a cop who is dirty. She's lucky, a lot of people are beaten or killed for not bowing down to them while other cops just like in this case don't do shit. Far too many cops think they are gods and we should all cringe in fear, and those who don't hold that view stand mute and allow those cops to violate the very oath all of them swore to uphold. This is what happens when you give them qualified immunity and the only oversite is fellow cops.
@@nickwarner8158 they aren't gods, they are devils.
My late spouse was a nurse, part of the training is "to be the advocate for your patient".
"all" cops
Sweet! What that cop did to her was 100% criminal. He went WAY over his authority to arrest her. But, if he never went to jail, then justice still hasn't been served.
Probably qualified immunity
Legality and justice are apparently two different things in America.
@@hattielankford4775 they are everywhere, but there's pretty much no overlap in US
Exactly.
They've settled so no further punishment legally can occur, however his demotion and this now being on his record is going to make future promotion EXTREMELY difficult, short of leaving the state he's stuck at his current rank for a while
I had a similar incident many years ago. I was working as an ER Tech. We had a Pt. come in from a wreck and was unconscious. The officer had went to the lab and asked them to come and draw the pt's blood for a BAC. (Blood Alcohol Count). When I told the lab tech that we had already sent the blood to the lab I was told that the police officer had asked her to get it. I told her it would have to wait and that we had more important things to do to save their life. The Officer then stated that he was going to arrest me for interfering. Another higher ranking officer in plain clothes, then told him that he would arrest the officer for interfering with Pt. care. I was thankful for the other officer standing up for me and the patient..
I love seeing arrogant A$$hole$ lose face. ANOTHER cop threatening to arrest him would be so humiliating. If I was the good officer in this story I would report him for what he did and try to get him fired or at least demoted.
You were very lucky that they normally stand behind that thin blue line.
I was a Nursing supervisor on the night shift for 25 years. I had to deal with similar issues many times over the years. We got to the point where senior administration, our attorney and the local and state police department representatives met with us to hash out this issue. Fortunately, this helped quite a bit, at least until a new officer who was a bit too gung-ho joined one of the departments and we needed to contact their Seargent.
@@nedt8778 They did this in this case - the Nurse even showed the officer the policy agreement between his department and the hospital they had drawn up but he still acted the way he did and arrested her - seeing the videos he was clearly on a power trip.
@@cpe111 he wanted a conviction so bad it didn't matter how he did it, or who got in his way!!
this nurse is a REAL hero. mad respect.
ER nurses generally are. And they got ballz. Societies' Finest.
100%
The champion nurse gets a payout, which I believe was too small, and then goes and shares what seems to be a large portion of it with other groups to further their righteous causes. What an extraordinary person she is and a supreme role model to all those around her. The world needs more people like this wonderful woman.
You can arrest me and put me in jail for a day or 2 if i get 500k for it no problem at all.
@@randar1969 Id do it for Half. To bad the atty. gets $200,000. For filing some paperwork. I will never get that.
@@randar1969 The cops need to be fired. The payout comes from taxpayers.
20 min. = 1/2 a mil. Sounds fair.
What a great nurse and a fine human being. I'm glad she was vindicated. True to her character, she's using the proceeds to help others.
Great Nurse for standing her ground and doing the right thing
Nurses serve and protect.
Cops (the bad ones and the ones that look the other way) protect themselves and serve stick to us.
@@kimlground206 - To Harass and Enslave... as my son would say
She had no option. If she did a blood draw she would have been fired and possibly charged with assault, and sued. She did the right thing in checking with her supervisors.
Hey Steve Lehto, You missed an important point in the story. The nurse was reading the police department's policy to the officer and that's the main reason she said no to the blood draw. Also she was on the phone with her supervisor and her boss said no as well. The cop was trying to ignore his own department's policy. And since the police were chasing the guy in the pickup truck which crashed into the semi truck they were hoping to put some kind of blame on the semi driver (hoping he was intoxicated).
QUESTION ?. Was the blood from the truck driver victim ever obtained
THAT makes sense. Scapegoating the easiest target. Corruption.
This is exactly what they will do everytime.
@@markwatkins885 NO he died.
Yeah, just like I said in my video. These days the cops are so busy commiting and covering up their own crimes that they don't have any time to do anything positive for the public. Thus, we might as well just shut them down completely.
i remember this... the video was disturbing. i'm glad i wasn't there, i would've been arrested too cause i would've lost it the way he treated her. it was more then wrongful arrest, it was assault and excessive force.
Same here. I remember watching it and being generally pretty angry. The cop should have been disciplined. And he should be paying the settlement himself...
And the whole reason the cops wanted the blood draw? To try and reduce and/or evade any responsibility for the crash as a result of their high-speed chase.
@@MonkeyJedi99 Good thought. It never occurred to me.
@@suburban404 If they had followed procedures they would have broken off the pursuit well before the accident.
There is such a vast untrustworthy system of Injustice when it comes to police that may never ever be redeemable. This is just one of too many stories
Money really isn't sufficient. We needs cops like this in prison.
She should be a hospital administrator! True patients advocate. The best of us!
I've read that the officers involved in the high speed chase had broken several protocols. The request for a blood test was to divert attention to what actually happened.
Divert FROM what happened
They hoped the innocent victim was intoxicated, *so they could "justifiably" blame HIM (instead of themselves) for the crash that THEY caused.*
I read an article about this a while back. Under the local police procedures the police should have broken off the high speed pursuit well before the accident happened. Which means the police could be held at least partially responsible for the accident and deaths. It is believed that the police were hoping that the truck driver (the victim) would be found to have alcohol or drugs in his system so they could shift responsibility away from themselves.
Also, if I remember correctly, this was a perfect example of police deliberately conducting the arrest in a way that would catch the nurse by surprise - so she would pull away - so they could charge her with resisting arrest.
just like how Police will grab you and throw you around well screaming stop resisting to make it look like your trying to get away from them
Surprise direction changing is SOP isn't it?
It's unfortunate that some 'police officers' are merely 'criminals with a badge', breaking the law whenever they please.
I was going to post something similar. It was all a big charade to cover their collective asses.
If you saw the dash cam there was not a snowballs chance in hell to blame the truck driver. He was in the far right lane of traffic going in the opposite direction of the chace, not one single chance to blame him its believed that the suspect committed suicide hitting the truck on purpose, it caused an inferno instantly in the truck. It was horrendous absolutely horrendous!
She knows the law because she has it written on a sheet and is reading it off to the officer at the time.
As I recall, she also had the hospital lawyer on speakerphone.
I'm glad this nurse got justice. I've had officers threaten nurses in our ER. They were trying to get the nurse to release information protected by HIPAA.
She confirmed it with her boss on the cell phone before she was arrested that the blood draw couldn’t happen, she believed it was not permitted and then confirmed it with the cop standing right there when she was on the phone with her supervisor. I remember that video
Part of the phlebotomy course that I took was that if there is not consent by patient or a warrant, DO NOT draw that persons blood.
Unlike the cops, nurses will lose their license to practice if they willingly violate the law.
@@ianbattles7290 and could even be sued or charged.
This cop was also trained and certified to draw blood.
@@turbowarp The problem being he violated the man's rights. Being suspected of a crime is not the same as being charged with a crime. He would still need to get a warrant to draw the blood. Watch the video it explains why.
@@turbowarp Which is why he falsely arrested a nurse to coheres her to do it? I think you're missing the point of the story.
As a nurse who worked 20 years in ER/Trauma, my position was that the hospital was for health care. Anything not in the strict interest of health care, I wasn't going to participate in. At one point HCA facility where I worked tried to train the ER nurses to draw blood for evidence (special bags and chain of custody stuff.) Nope. I'm not saying that some people don't need to go to jail. But that investigation needs to happen outside of the health care system. Drawing that 5cc of blood, if not used to make clinical decisions, was outside of my scope of practice. I would be inflicting an injury. Sometimes it wasn't easy to keep to that rule. There were times when I realized I was working on a seriously bad person. But an RN has a duty to the health of the patient. If I was going to start drawing blood for the cops then I was part of the penal system and I didn't sign up for that.
Kudos to you sir. Medical professionals hold people's lives in their hands. It's a sacred trust. Forcibly deputizing healthcare workers into law enforcement ends up discouraging people from seeking care when they may be at their most desperate need, and so, predictably, more people will die who didn't need to. It absolutely beggars comprehension that so many people don't get this.
Interesting i hadn't really thought of it like that,
however it does leave an invasive medical procedures in the hands of none clinical staff.
If correctly approached ie warrant, consent, etc. .. personally I would trust a professional, with knowledge of my condition and a duty of care to undertake such a procedure.
It also would give a clear opportunity for the medical professionals to challenge a warrant that might reasonably cause a risk to the patients care.
I completely agree with your position. And the fact that you managed to work the words “doodie” and “penal” into the same paragraph is quite impressive. 😂🤣✌️
What do you think about abortion?
I very much respect that. As a person who never has driven under the influence if I came in I would beg you to do my blood draw. I have a terrible fear of blood draws since a bad incident. I routinely faint during blood draws and lay down for safety. My veins collapse so they have to use a butterfly needle. There is often a bruise the size of an orange afterwards also. I can’t count how many times an IV insertion has resulted in a blown vein. I usually have to send the person to get someone else and tell them to take a walk for a view as they are upset. I know where the good spots are but sometimes people don’t listen. The good nurses ask and you tell them this place works but the back of the hand the veins roll etc
The battle to get the body camera footage is a VERY large part of the story. The nurses demand to get the footage was blocked repeatedly by means that I see as only marginally legal. Apparently her initial efforts to obtain the recording prompted several responses that (unfortunately unrecorded) really ought to be considered outright threats. If your attorney says “don’t talk to them, let me do it.” That’s really good advice.
And making a recording is Cheap, unlike the high cost they want for them.
The police shouldn't be allowed to talk to anyone without their attorney present.
When Steve said the nurse would use part of the settlement money for body cam releases, I knew that was a big part of the story. Thx for the add info.
Threats are why one man in Denver didn't complain when cops "shot a man who didn't need to be shot" and the man telling me this said he was warned that his name and home address would be on any reports he filed, and accessible to the cop. So he didn't report. Some older black men know subtext when they see it. Same town where, in highschool, two cops laughed, litterally laughed about tricking a judge into weapons charhes on a middle school girl that didn't deserve it.
We need a short leash on force. There is corruption but we don't have the mechanisms to address it. We need better separations between powers. We need better enforcement. We need... many mechanisms in place.
@@tuvoca825 we need them NOT to be allowed to, "take peoples blood". EVER!!! That's what nurses are for.
I had another idea. Because the semi driver was hit by someone fleeing the police the detective may have been afraid he would sue the police department for their culpability of not breaking pursuit when it became dangerous to others. The detective may have been trying to get a blood sample in hopes the semi driver was under the influence of a substance which would cover the department in the event of said lawsuit.
Or even with the intention of adding alcohol to the sample. This $h!t happens.
No doubt you are likely correct considering his behavior towards the nurse.
My thoughts exactly..
I remember thinking this when I saw this case with footage on another channel.
I came here. 6 mos late admittedly. To say that very thing. It was likely a CMA maneuver by the police to escape liability.
As a fellow RN I have mad respect for this nurse and being a true patient advocate. One of our primary responsibilities is to protect and advocate for those patients who are unable to advocate for themselves. I applaud what she is going to do with the judgement. It shows what type of character she has. There needs to be changes with these body cameras. Once an officer is involved in responding and starting to interact in a situation they must turn on their camera and NOT be allowed to mute, block its view or turn it off. I have seen cops in the ER gather together and turn their cameras off for a few minutes to discuss what type of charges they can come up with and try to pile on. It is so wrong!
Nurse Wubbles is awesome and deserves every dollar‼️
Glad she was duely compensated for her time
Yes she does. The cop needs removed from society
Yes, but she is also very kind and generous.
She is donating most of the money and setting up a legal fund to help people obtain body cam footage.
She deserves more money to donate. I hope that her legal fund takes off.
She also called the hospital legal dep for authorization and they denied the detective. He was butt hurt and took it out on the nurse. She was amazing. Good for her. And i hope they will not succeed in there appeal. They should be on the Brady list
Correct. She also didn't stop them from doing the draw, they were ordering HER to do the blood draw, and she refused after speaking with legal. Instead of asking another nurse or speaking with legal, he arrested her. This was pure contempt of cop.
Frim I understand they had a policy and she called legal to explain it to the cop
@ido shapiro That would require the states abiding by the Scotus Brady decision. Which most states honestly do not
As I recall from when the story/video first broke, the police department had previously agreed to the hospitals procedure for needing a warrant/consent(That's how she knew she was right, she had the paper work in front of her with the police agreeing to it), they had the hospital's lawyer on the phone telling the cops they were in the wrong and advise they speak to their superiors, but ignored all that and did what they wanted. When your police chief agreed to the policy, and the hospitals lawyer is telling you to think twice on something, it's only a shock the settlement wasn't higher.
I agree, Nurse Wubbles should have taken them to the cleaners, then for a long long road trip, letting them tie a nice neat noose for the police and hospital security who should have dropped the police officer who put his hands on a nurse.
Only problem is the ones paying the money are the Utah citizens via taxes, not the officer who did it, he should be paying it in full.
@@SeanBZA Honestly, he should be in jail.
I posted the same thing before reading more comments. She was doing EXACTLY what she was supposed to do according to a written agreement between the hospital and the police.
Yep, the settlement should have been ten times that amount, at least. ie $5 million. Only when settlements are SO LARGE that the heads of department of the police/other government agencies, or the insurance companies which insure them, when THOSE executives go to bed at night crying, wondering how they're gonna balance the books over the coming year, after a $5 million chunk out of their annual budget... THAT is when they will ensure their underlings obey the law.
She knew the right thing to do because it was hospital policy not to draw blood for police if the patient was unconscious and could not consent unless police had a warrant. She knows her job!
I remember this case for last year, I'm so happy for this nurse she Deserves every bit of it
Aggressively arrested her, respect to the nurse for protecting her patient. I would encourage everyone to watch the video.
especially medical professionals and LEOs.
I remember when this happened, it was several years ago. The nurse was well informed because at the time she consulted the hospital's attorney and had a written memo regarding when they could and could not draw blood. I think the memo was distributed with the approval of the county's attorney. All of which the detective and fellow officers ignored.
The nurse was also following the Hippocratic Oath that no harm would come to her patient and doing her job...as frankly any competent nurse would do to keep any asshats away from patients.
@@GlanderBrondurg Nurses don't swear the Hippocratic Oath, they swear the Nightingale Pledge. I know, I am both an RN and an MD, I have sworn both the Pledge and the Oath. Anyway, many don't know and/or misunderstand what the Hippocratic Oath states or means, as you demonstrated here. The primary responsibility under the Hippocratic Oath is to teach. In addition, many actually take various different versions of the Oath, and some take an entirely different Oath. Doctor means teacher. But many don't listen anyway, the pandemic is a perfect example.
The Detective called a Lieutenant at the station for directions. He told him to get the sample. That is why the Lieutenant was demoted to Officer and the Detective ended up being fired.
Consent is also something often drummed into nursing staffs' skulls for good reason, so they're not the ones costing the hospital 500k in damages.
Ah nurse Wubbles! I'm a bit surprised it's taken this long for a settlement. Glad she got compensated!
She actually got compensated back in 2017. Sure took a long time to get to Steve.
I’m a retired nurse. I remember having inservices about things like this when I worked for a hospital. This nurse was doing her job.
I remember how livid I was when this story originally broke a few years ago. I’m glad she got SOME justice and a nice bag in the process.
I had always gotten the impression that the cops wanted the blood drawn to show the truck driver was drunk so it would absolve the cops of the possibility of being sued for the chase or pursuit fatality.
Worse, it was the Logan city cops who screwed up the pursuit, and the Salt Lake City cops whose detective and Lieutenant went off the rails trying to do their buddies from another jurisdiction a favor, and a University of Utah (state agency) officer assigned to the university's hospital who went along with their illegal behavior.
yup
100%
Exactly - the cops wanted to violate the law to protect *themselves.*
I guess it should be pointed out that either a nurse knew the law better than a law enforcement office or the law enforcement officer was okay with lying and breaking the law. No matter which is true we need better ways to pick law enforcement officers.
when a nurse does not know and uphold the HIPPA laws, the nurse loses his/her job and perhaps also license to practice. When a cop does not know and uphold the law, he/she gets a paid vacation and/or a transfer to another precinct.
Easy: do away with qualified immunity and remove prosecutorial discretion from cases where the perpetrator is a cop - i.e. cops have to be prosecuted. Maybe even to away with the option to strike a deal. These problems would go away in an instant.
It is not surprising that a nurse would understand the law surrounding blood draws, she could have lost her license for violating patient rights.
If this is the Wubbels case, she had the police procedure in her hands when she was talking to the detective as the police department had set guidelines with the hospital when and how blood samples can be drawn by police. It was reported she "refused" to draw blood when her demeanor was less confrontational. Right before the arrest, Nurse Wubbels was pointing out that their own police procedure did not allow this sample to be taken. The detective then went full ballistic with little provocation and lunged at her to arrest her.
Dude was a detective, he knew damn well what he was doing and didn't give a shit
They were trying to find some other way to cover up the fatal crash. There was no need for the victims blood. The bad guy was dead at the scene. They didn't want to be responsible for the truck drivers death, and would have gotten away with except that he was a reserve officer and Nurse Wubble stood up.
The bad guy? The? Sounds like the cops were bad guys too. Even the university police. I've seen enough on Steve's channel since I started watching to confidently shoot any judge or cop that crosses my path. There's no justice otherwise. Don't think so? When is the cop going to get convicted for assault, kidnapping, and intimidation locally and violating 18 USC 242 among others federally? When!? It takes a riot for a cop to get a trial!
Thank you for the full explanation of the incident. The nurse should not have accepted the settlement. She should have taken the suit to court and had a jury decide an amount. The officers involved should have been sued individually and they should all have faced criminal charges, and be in prison for they’re gross misconduct.
Many years ago I was employed in a patient facing position at a long term care facility. One of the first things I was told by my supervisor was that barring some form of court order stating a specific cause for their presence would not under any circumstances be permitted to enter the facility. There several reasons given for this such as patient privacy, potential of causing undue emotional discomfort to others in the facility (their physical physical, mental and emotional well being was an inherent aspect of our job) and also of course HIPA. I watched the relative video back when it first hit the web and was blown away by the sheer ignorance and lack of any sense of right and wrong, not to mention absolute absence of compassion by the poorly educated officers involved.
What's really scary is I feel like that detective was trying to pin the whole car crash situation on a man who was on his deathbed which is disgusting that detective really needs to take a long look in the mirror and realize the monster that he has become
totally agree
Agreed, if the mirror happens to be in his cell.
They weren't trying to pin anything on the driver. Just gather evidence that could be used to weasel out of a civil action. That blood draw would have been tossed out on it's behind in a criminal court. In a civil trial the evidentiary standards are much lower.
He may have been a monster since day one
i'm a law-and-order guy, but i also see that there are some really bad cops out there.
part of the problem is the training.
some departments only require a short training course.
others require a 4 year degree in criminal justice, so that the police know what their constitutional limitations are.
those departments always pay more than the ones with lower quality cops.
but they save money in the long run, by their cops NOT doing things that bring lawsuits on the city.
one multi-million $ lawsuit wipes out all that money you would've saved by hiring a cheap cop with a power trip mentality.
i wish i could say that would solve ALL the problems, but at least it would help create a culture where the good ones know the rules, so they are more inclined to root out the bad ones.
Thanks Steve! The only thing overlooked is that she got on the phone with legal staff and actually brought out the agreement between SLC police and the hospital that specifically outlines the conditions that must exist for a blood draw absent consent, and since none of those conditions existed, she couldn’t legally do it. They assaulted and arrested her anyways! Half a million is cheap and I hope that former officer does time
Some police have nothing but contempt for the law and contempt for citizens. All that guy wanted to do was bully her and then the lieutenant wanted to gaslight her because all he did was lie to her. Oath-breaking scumbags.
He won't. Ignorance of the law is no excuse for us regular citizens but it is a requirement to get hired as a cop.
And the higher up who derected him to arest her .
*That's my thought exactly. They got away with a slap on the wrist. Should have sued for around $10 million and settled for $5 million. Then the police won't make that mistake again.* *At $500,000 it's going to be business as usual because #1 it's not coming out of the officer's pocket and #2 it's a pittance in comparison to what they get to run the police department.*
He lost his job but kept his fat pension. The Fraternal order of good ol boys almost certainly jot him a new job within a few days.
You forgot to mention that there was an agreement between the PD and the hospital which said he couldn't draw blood w/o a warrant, and this was explained to the "detective" who ignored it.
I think it was warrant, under arrest or consent.
I haven't watch it in years but her reading it is seared into my brain.
It wasn’t an “agreement”, it’s the law. Obtaining blood evidence from an unconscious patient without their consent requires a warrant. The officer in question broke the law and should have been stripped of any authority immediately and should never be allowed to hold a similar position again.
@@lizcollinson2692 "Under arrest" isn't necessarily enough. In order to obtain the blood sample, they would need one of the following:
1. Warrant (nope...)
2. Consent of the patient (unconscious, so can't give it obviously. They tried to claim federal regulations said the patient possessing a CDL gave implied consent to a blood test, but they were unaware, or intentionally misstating, that regulation: it says a CDL holder gives implied consent TO THEIR EMPLOYER, not law enforcement, to test for alcohol or illegal drugs after they're involved in a fatal accident).
3. Reasonable suspicion of intoxication (conditions of the accident make it clear there wasn't any).
@@lizcollinson2692 Even if someone is under arrest, a nurse can not draw their blood for law enforcement. They need consent or a warrant. And if you are a nurse (or phlebotomist), that consent better be signed.
@@troodon1096 "Implied consent" is not legally binding. To operate on a person the nurse would need full consent or he violates the law. No one can force you to a medical procedure unless they have a warrant.
Suspicion of DUI does not change anything. They still need a warrant or signed consent. The nurse can not judge someone's intoxication by looking. Thus they can not decide if a person requires a blood test. Their sole purpose is to draw the blood. The nurse can lose their job for drawing blood without a warrant or consent. That becomes a battery. The nurse can also be sued and even charged if there is no consent or warrant.
Thank god justice was actually done, and thanks for shining a light on this Steve. I'm stunned that the nurse, despite being (I assume) relatively poorly paid, is going to donate so much of the award. What a star!
Compensation was agreed in 2017, the whole story is 5 years old.
Justice is not done until that cop is behind bars.
She just got the money
@@simonrook5743 Well if she only just got the dosh, that's current enough for me!
@@Joe-hp8kb I would agree. I'm also sad that her 'colleague', ostensibly there to protect her, and to whom she called out for help, instead assisted the thug who arrested her.
Thank God for good nurses. Bless her heart, and all her future endeavors.
god is imaginary.
@@power2084I live my life in doing what I believe in, Praying for people like you, helping others, trying to show people the way to be in HIS Glory.
And if I remember correctly, when she was talking to the cop she was showing him the paperwork between the police and the hospital on the conditions to pull blood, and he disregarded her completely.
Her supervisor even told the cop, "you're making a huge mistake, Sir."
But at that moment, this meathead didn't care about the law.
I saw this on TH-cam when it happened. I’m so glad the nurse was victorious, and it’s crazy to now learn the actual details of what was going on. I’m honestly not surprised this nurse knew the law, my aunt has been a nurse her whole life and she is by far the smartest person in our entire family!
The nurse knew the policy agreement between the police department and the hospital. She cited that policy, and even got her supervisor to repeat the same policy to the detective. The detective still demanded the nurse to draw a blood sample from the victim, despite being told the policy agreement twice.
The detective has no legal right to get the blood sample, or to compel the nurse to draw the sample. He has no right to arrest, or detain the nurse for refusing to comply to his unlawful demands.
The hospital's officer is incompetent in failing to intervene to stop the detective from putting his hands on the nurse.
Cops were fishing hoping he had something in his system they could use to blame him for getting hit and avoid a wrongful death suite for endangering the public by wrecklessly maintaining pursuit.
Yup, that’s is correct.
I was just typing that
As I recall this story, at the time of this a counter, there were policy's and procedures between the hospital and law enforcement, the detective was clearly violated these rules that were in place. It looked like the highway patrol were in a high speed chase that caused the accident, and may have been doing a bit of CYA to cover there departments accountability in the accident. Good for the nurse in getting the settlement for doing the right thing for her patient.
I'm glad to see it resolved. The officer treated her like an animal, heartbreaking to watch.
I remember the video and back then it didn't make sense - the nurse was just relaying information and doing her job
That nurse is a hero we can all hope that someone stands up for us if we're in a similar situation
Good job nurse. Way to stand up for your patient. 👍
Just goes to show that we as citizens need to know our rights better than we do
At 10:15 you credited her for knowing the law. As I recalled she quoted hospital policy concerning blood draws in these situations and, as I recall, the policy had an understanding between law enforcement and the hospital about warrants in these situations. She knew the law because her employer educated her on this.
She knew the cop's job better than he did.
A nurse is accountable for knowing the law and for continuing education per state license standards. Apparently you do not understand her responsibility to that and as patient advocate. ~ retired RN
@@sacrebleu1371 Your statement about continuing ed is as true as it is irrelevant. She did not cite a continuing education class to prove she was right. She did not call a class instructor for backup. She produced a document from her employer and called her supervisor, a hospital employee for corroboration. It was the hospital that educated her on policy and was her go to source. And no, I’m not tempted to say apparently you do not understand her responsibility to her employer.
YESSSSSSS!! I've been following this story and when I saw your title, I was hoping it was this nurse and it is!!!! I'm happy, she deserves it. As a retired nurse myself, I couldn't believe what she went through. But I'll tell you, I would have done the same thing as she did if in that situation! 😊
cudos to you Joanne. Yes I have my amateur radio license :P Worked many years as an engineer in Police Fire and EMS radio systems
@C. W. Sayre He's just giving a nod to her user name, "I see what you did there" kind of thing.
@C. W. Sayre - Juliette Oscar Alpha November November Echo... The phonetics of her name. This is not something that common people would know. Emergency dispatch use a little different phonetics than the international that the hammies use... She used the international names for the letters. Dispatchers, Amateurs, Military, and Air Traffic communicators would use the international... It was a nod and compliment that I liked how she did her name here on TheTube. Its a Techie Nerd thing 😜😜👍👍
I’m a retard police officer, and I always deferred to nurses and Drs. in hospital settings. I wanted them to know that I respected them and still do. As an officer, I always had it in the back of my mind that I might be on a gurney coming in there someday.
Didn’t follow it that closely, the compensation was announced in 2017!
I was a truck driver for a few years and later went to nursing school. You learn quite a bit about what you can and can’t do when interacting with police in regards to patient privacy and rights. You study countless hours for school and even more for your license and you get these types of ethical questions asked because you are indeed advocating for your patient much like a lawyer would do and should you leak any information about a patient it could be a major violation and your licensure put in jeopardy. One thing they drill into you in nursing school is to protect your license at all costs!
You would never lose your license for wrongly assisting the cops.
@@e-curb ok, sport.
@@e-curb Wrong. Violate any Medicare rule or hospital policy and see how long you last as a nurse. Hospitals have policies for a reason; to protect themselves from lawsuits AND not to lose their Medicare accreditation. If you lose Medicare's accreditation, then other insurance companies follow quickly. Because that means they need to go in and inspect the hospital and see that it meets all the requirements. Insurance companies accept Medicare's accreditation because it saves them from doing it.
Performing a procedure on any patient without their consent, or a warrant, is a violation. The only exception is in an emergency and the patient can not consent.
@@e-curb you simplely are wrong
@@e-curb I don't think you know much about just how easy it is to lose your nursing license. The hospitals will always, always throw the nurse under the bus.
I remember when this story originally happened. The old cop went crazy when she refused to do as he demanded. She was following hospital policy/procedure. I love it when cops like this get their just reward (fired). Too bad the taxpayers have to foot the settlement bill.
I saw this story awhile back and if I remember right the nurse stated she was following established hospital guidelines that the police officer determined to ignore .
I was horrified when I saw the arrest video. I'm so relieved it has been settled with positive outcome. I just pray this poor woman has no lasting emotional damage.
She's an ICU charge nurse.
I have to tell ya, I was a paramedic for over 20 years and my wife is an ER charge nurse.
Charge nurses are tough.
@@johngalt2506 you betcha!
She will have PTSD. Her settlement should have been 50 million. She shouldn't have to work another day in her life. PTSD is real. Any time she sees a cop she will relive that moment.
@@jamesupton143
50 million? Why not 500 million? How about a billion? If not, why not?
You understand that the citizens are the ones on the hook for that right?
500k is plenty.
This nurse has got numerous people fired from the University ICU over the years for bogus and made up things and for things *she did while blaming others*
To the public she's a "hero"; to those in the private that have dealt with her falsification and manipulation have nothing nice to say about her.
She stated for multiple times to someone she got fired that she wanted to have an interaction with an officer so she could ruin him.
Looks like she got her wish ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Sounds like the police were doing it to protect themselves since they could be implicated in causing the accident. That lady deserves a medal. If only more people were like her, our society would be much better off.
I remember when this happened and part of the problem was the police chased the suspect into on coming traffic which was against the department regulations and the cops were trying to cover-up their wrong doing. The camera footage also showed her explaining the regulation to the officers while holding a copy of it in her hand that they could not get a sample because he was in such bad shape and was unable to give consent. A lawyer later stated that when the patient was admitted a blood panel would have had to be run to type his blood and check for drugs or alcohol in his system and that the police would have been able to see that after it was done. The officer involved also made several threats that were caught on camera as well.
That's why the ossifer wanted blood. He couldn't add alcohol to the hospital sample.
@@jguenther3049 I was wondering about that. The hospital certainly had drawn blood and the cop could have gotten a warrant for that. However, if he had tried to contaminate the blood sample, he would have been caught because of that earlier test.
@@SeanPat1001 IF there was a previous test, you're right. But as I read the account of the incident, the nurse indicated the patient was too critical for a blood draw. That may mean the cop would have had the only specimen. He certainly acted as if that were the case.
A former cop told me they interfered with breathalyzer operation regularly, forcing the needle into intoxication territory. You should trust cops as far as you can toss a live bull up a silo.
@@jguenther3049 yeah. They were good cops and they were bad cops but when a cop stops you it’s not like they tell you which kind they are. 😑
@@SeanPat1001 A lot of them are alcoholics, which adds another dimension to their behavior. We had a LEO in our writing workshop. He told us my perp in a story wouldn't act as I showed them behaving. The perp was based on an actual case, but the LEO was totally sure he'd not act that way. His mind was made up.
My wife's a nurse. She's the type who would stop bad things from happening. I'll send this video to her.
I am from Australia and I remember this incident very well. At the time I could not believe my eyes at what this police officer was doing to this nurse who was just following her hospital regulations. I remember her cries for help from hospital security and no one stepped up to assist her. Normally I would support the police, but this officer's actions were just so wrong. The nurse deserved every bit of compensation and more. She is truly one of God's Angels on Earth. I hope the cop was sacked.
The detective was fired, and his appeal was rejected.
The same thing happened to the hospital officer who did not protect the nurse or stop the detective from assaulting, arresting, and detaining her.
@@oahuhawaii2141 Thank you for letting me know the outcome. She did not ever deserve that treatment.
She deserved more. I'm so glad to hear this concluded positively for her.
She deserves that detectives head mounted on a wall
I very glad that you pointed out that the officers actions were an attempt to blame an innocent victim in a police chase.
What a wonderful person this nurse is. Not only did she do her job brilliantly but now plans to use some of the money to help others. I hope she keeps a couple of hundred thousand for herself.
Because unlike the cop, *the nurse actually faces PERSONAL consequences if she violates the law.*
@@ianbattles7290 I do not understand what this is in response to.....???
@@M3RBMW the nurse does not have qualified immunity. She could be sued personally along with the hospital for drawing blood for the Leo while the Leo is immune from such a suit.
@@michaeljay6349 Both you and Ian seem to have an issue with what I said but I do not understand why.
@@M3RBMW I have no issue with what you said -- the nurse is a brave and wonderful person. She had strength of character.
If she complied with the police officer, there would also be negative consequences for her *later*.... but nobody thinks of that in the moment. She was put in the position she was in because the police officer would not expect to face negative consequences due to qualified immunity for police officers. (She would be charged for her crime of obeying the police officer...the police officer would not be held accountable legally, and could not be sued personally.)
The reason she didn't comply with the LEO's officer also had to be good training... she knew the law the police officer wanted to break and chose to have no part of it, even though she faced illegal detention for compliance with the law.
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You said you didn't understand Ian's point. That was his point --- she's accountable under the law, the police officer isn't -- therefore, she was trained in how she needed to behave to comply with the law when pressured to break it by a police officer. Without the training, just being a brave and good person would not have been enough... one's first instinct is to comply with the color of the law and expect them to behave ethically.
Thank you for the up date...
That's a wonderful nurse to protect her patients Constitutional Rights...
My hats off to you...
I am a nurse with a trauma Hospital, we had a detective and an officer come in to get a signed statement from a patient (no death involved). we had given the patient lots of heavy duty narcotics and was not able to think clearly. I refused them entry into his room. The management with this hospital came after me because as they said, we need the police as our friends. Was I right to refuse the police due to the patient not being able to give a statement due to impairment from medications . Even the MD's agreed with me.
The worst part of all of this was the sheer number of hospital police she was walked past while being assaulted.
The hospital police knew the policy agreement between the police department and the hospital, yet didn't help the nurse in enforcing it. They let the detective violate the law, and said nothing. All of them should be fired.
Would like to thank you and the law firm that supported the nurse. Congratulations to you all
Tiktok nurses are lauded as heroes but the actual hero nurses are punished. I’m glad she got a settlement. I think she should have gotten more.
Make it even better she was an olympic athlete
She should do a tiktok dance video...
...in front of a green screen with the footage in the background and information in the description.
What catches my attention is that back when this was going down it came out that the cops were trying to cover up a chase that was supposed to be suspended due to public safety
Seen the video... she even read their on pd policy to him, between the pd and hospital. It shows that he's done this before, because he was so comfortable with doing it in the first place.
Cool glad she got this. Really sad for the driver
As someone who worked in the nursing field for a short time, I can say this..
Smart healthcare professionals will not only maintain their medical knowledge, but will also learn legal knowledge related to that field specifically. Especially employees that are expected to work with either police or other government entities.
Additionally, the Utah implied consent law is for breath only (not blood) and only if the suspect is under arrest. A warrant is required to draw blood.
Steve...the DETECTIVE that was fired from the Salt Lake City Police Department because of what he did in this incident had worked there for a long time. Detective Jeff Payne showed up at the hospital, barged in the ER and immediately demanded that THIS nurse (she was in charge that day) draw blood from the unconscious man for him. She informed Detective Payne that he needed a search warrant, probable cause or the man's permission, and told him that SHE would not draw the man's blood WITHOUT one of those LEGALLY COMPELLING reasons. Payne lost his temper badly, grabbed her violently and manhandled her using arm control to take her out of the ER to the parking lot, cuffing her immediately, telling her she was under arrest and placing her in the back of his unmarked police sedan for 20-30 minutes. THAT is how he got himself, the Lieutenant and Salt Lake City Police Department in so much trouble. She was 100% right, Detective Payne and the demoted Lieutenant were DEAD WRONG, as were the other two officers who worked at the hospital for NOT intervening and stopping Payne from doing what he did to the nurse.
Steve, this was a situation I paid close attention to at the time. The hospital had a joint policy that was approved by the police department that states the conditions for drawing a medicolegal specimen from a patient. Those conditions included patient consent or a warrant. This was the stated policy of the hospital and had been signed off by the police department. The nurse presented the policy to the detective and went over the conditions in the written policy. Thus, the Nurse had prior guidance that was vetted by hospital lawyers and presumably lawyers associated with the police department. She was doing her job and as such, the Hospital should have sued the police as well.
I work in a hospital, and I wish I would have been there, because I would have officially trespassed the detective from the property, and instructed all the hospital personnel there that they were beholden to enforce the agreed policy as a part of their jobs. I watched the video of the incident, and I was appalled that no one else stood up for this nurse with any official force of action.
The settlement was reached almost 5 years ago. There is a whole wikipedia article about it, look up "2017 University of Utah Hospital incident". Legislation was actually passed because of this incident. The cops appealed their punishment to no avail.
Did the fire the cops? I guess not
@@fabriglas yes actually. The detective did get fired.
@@fabriglas the one that cuffed her was fired..his boss was bucked down from LT to a street officer.. they both blamed each other, they both appealed they both lost
My experience with "implied consent" is narrowly focused based on my time as a health care provider. I would provide life-saving treatment to an unconscious patient based on the idea the patient would want to live. Outside of that, law enforcement is not entitled to intervene based on the same idea without a warrant. At least that is how it worked in the ER and/or the transport ambulance. Good on the nurse for protecting her patient.
Indeed. The only situation in which consent can be implied is when it involves measures saving a patient unable to give consent. Everything else is BS.
The implied consent in this case has to do with a CDL driver involved in a fatal accident. However, the police were either unaware, or intentionally misstating, what that implied consent was: federal law says a CDL holder gives implied consent to their employer (NOT law enforcement) to test for alcohol and/or illegal drugs if they're involved in a fatal accident.
She is a great nurse, guarding het patients.
As I understand the PD and hospital have now a protocol for such cases too.
That's what is so frustrating, that she was showing the detective the law/ policy that both the hospital & police department previously signed and agreed to. The new protocols that were put in place after this trainwreck was that if police needed to get access to a patient, they could no longer go directly to any of the nurses/ healthcare workers. They would have to go to some liason at the hospital so that arrangements could be made to avoid cops from hindering healthcare staff from rendering aid/ protection to their patients, like it should be.
They had a protocol before the incident, she was reading it to the detective. He didn't care.
@@stevef68 Very true! The changes in protocol that happened after this ordeal was that the cops could no longer go directly to the nurses/ healthcare workers, they now have to go through some administrator/ liason. That detective and his boss were very wrong, and didn't care, like you said!
The way I understood it at the time they had one but the detective was so out of his mind he refused to go by that protocol. I believe the hospital had an agreement with law enforcement how to handle such cases.
They already had one. The pigs just didn't care and cuffed her for following it.
I am glad the nurse got justice
If he was HER patient she did an AMAZING job caring for and representing her patient.
I hope her situation taught many other nurses around the country about what to do properly and be in the right in this case.
Police should never have been able to turn off body cams
I remember reading about her arrest. I'm glad she finally got paid.
I remember this very well. That nurse was in the right and that Detective was absolutely out of control trying to get the victim’s blood.
I remember seeing the video of this shortly after it happened, being a Paramedic, we are often called to draw blood and I have outright refused until I see and receive a copy of the warrant. In training, we go through an entire course on legalities of practicing medicine and this is pointed out, all this was 20 years ago when I went though it. That cop was plainly arrogant and reminded me of Cartman from South Park screaming "you will respect my authority". Not just him, but a couple of other officers that were there also.
Working side by side with cops for as long as I did, you could always spot these kinds of cops and they generally went one of two ways for their career, either they end up crashing and burning and being fired or worse, the other way they tend to go is straight up to the top. The best cops I have ever worked with were the cool headed ones that didn't try to push their authority around and usually stayed in patrol and end up being supervisors or trainers.
She contacted the hospital administrator while the detectives were there and was told not to allow the blood draw. There is a lot of videos that have been out since that happened. It went to the governor and was a national story which is the only reason they were forced to settle. The police department's tried really hard to smear her and muddy up the waters until it became a national story.
She deserves all of that and more. The cop should have been arrested for assault and battery and kidnaping.
If only, at least he was fired and lost his house because he was unemployed for two years.
I remember seeing the original footage, i'm pretty sure i saw a yt creator who compiled all the bodycam footage, but also looked like security cam footage from certain areas of the hospital. After seeing it, i'm glad she got this outcome it was well deserved and she seems to want to put it to good use.
Was it by chance Lackluster?
I remember this. Hospital legal staff said unconscious payment could not give consent, and they had no warrant. Hospital stood by her too.
Admin did but not security…they stood by and watched her be arrested…disgusting!
Because we, Nurses, are trained extensively on patient care laws, HIPPA, state and federal health care laws. We are tested on them on yearly basis. That nurse did the absolute right thing, because 1) She cared for the patient rights, 2) she knew the law 3) she knew if SHE did the draw or allowed others to do the draw she would be committing medical battery and could lose her license. I remember when this happened and to this day makes my blood boil! Not just because I am an RN/RCIS but by the arrogance of the police! Thank you for the update.
🦛 Hipaa 🦛 Hippo would like to thank you for your accurate and informative comment!
What you haven't highlighted was that the nurse was acting on the advice of the hospital management, who had a clear policy on this specific issue. This was made perfectly clear to the arresting officer, but he made a violent arrest anyway. The fatal police chase was probably illegal, and the police were hoping to find drugs or alcohol in the victim's blood to deflect blame from their actions.
As a footnote, the nurse was a former Olympian with the US skiing team.
I remember this > Brother, this one really pisses real America Off < 1/2 million not enough Search this one