That whole long scene between Q and Picard was simply brilliant. I’ve never seen John De Lancie so on point and intense. Q reducing himself to PHYSICALLY striking someone, and Picard’s almost terrified ‘Q…you’re not well’ 👌 sublime. Also, I so want holo-cat Spot-73 to be a recurring character.
Bearing in mind I watched these overviews in reverse for funsies, I am really interested in the cat. First, there is the spot reference with the holographic cat, then later we learn Jurati still misses her childhood cat, we learn about the "watcher" and the relation with Gary 7, and now I want to know what happened to the shapeshifting cat from that episode. It was interesting that the cat thing has been brought up quite a bit in these episodes, and I want to know if it has anything to do with Gary's cat/telepathic shapeshifter.
When Q hit Picard it gave him a bloody nose. In “Q Who” Q said "If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid."
Jurati, like many brilliant superminds, often lack social cues and etiquette. It's not about how brilliant they are, it's their social capability not being stretched by being in a lab so long. That, and mental issues......you can have ADD/ADHD, social anxiety, etc.....but be utterly IQ 1-million.
Give us Benjamin fraking SISKO you cowards! I screamed so loud when I heard his name for THE FIRST TIME after 4 years and 4 different ST shows! Finally. By the prophets I hope will see him even for one bloody minute! Excellent episode, for the first time I loved Q!
If Sisko is in it I'm willing to bet that he's The Watcher that they will be looking for when they time travel. Since Sisko joined the Prophets when we last saw him, time wasn't linear for the Prophets. So a time jump would be easy for Sisko.
9:33 They in fact DID just switch that shield on, because the Eradication Day event was starting and they'd activated the security measures. Obviously the shield hadn't been activated all day because then no one could've beamed there for the event.
@@tetravega567 The shield was around the location specifically, a shield around the planet would be a useless security measure because any operative already on Earth could just beam in.
Studio Guy: But why did they activate the shields right at the time when they tried to beam out? Pitch Guy: So that the story can happen! Studio Guy: Fair enough!
Correct. And I was under the impression that the Magistrate ordered it when he found Seven and them missing from the courtyard, so it was early anyways.
If people could beam there for the event, why did Picard need a shuttle? It was a bit confusing. Maybe the shield was up the whole time. Maybe it went up that moment. It almost felt like a half-fleshed out plot device that was leftover from some previous draft. That said, why didn't the President just say, "I want to beam up to the ship that just returned from the battle at Vulcan." ? All the people who work for her and follow her orders would probably just have flipped the switch if she told them to. A triumphant warship visit is pretty on-brand for a celebrating warmonger.
I find it intriguing that we've met 2 characters in Star Trek with the ability to detect changes to the timeline. One is Guinan. The other is the Borg queen. Coincidence?
I don't think so, she would have looked younger in that timeframe, and I don't think they would want to spend that much to de-age her! I think it's going to be another soong
Actually thought Jurati was an up: it shows the difference between being knowledgable and being intelligent. Jurati is the typical scientist: knows a lot academically/scientifically, but often is unable to connect the dots on a more sociable level. Her depression (going from one extreme to another) doesn't help here. I think the character is very well written and performed.
@@BigAntTVMedia If you want to be pedantic, it is the Borg leitmotif. The same 5 note theme with full instruments when representing the Borg, and a single instrument version when used with the Borg Queen in both First Contact and Picard.
"For now I see, but through a mirror darkly" might also be a reference to Nemesis. Picard says this quote to Data after the flee Romulus in the astrometrics lab.
When Q hit Picard, was like, "You hit Picard! You never hit Picard!" Either that punch that Sisko did to him on DS9 season one, Q-Less did more to him than expected, or it really is making us so hungry for more this season.
When I heard Q say "Yesterday's Enterprise" I felt that it had more meaning. That episode was about one action in the past having a huge impact on the future, and after seeing that future, the crew decided to go back and sacrifice their lives to prevent this future from happening.
Down #2: disagree. She's not Starfleet; I think they said in S1 that she had never left earth before. More like the average non adventuring person who's never jumped universes or traveled through time
I adore Jurati. It's fair for anybody to say, "I would have written her in X different way" but that's not an error in the way the character is written.
I reckon the Sisko name drop is referring to Jake. Ben Sisko has already joined the Celestial Temple and now lives outside time. Changes to the timeline wouldn't affect Ben. The Sisko is not linear.
I am so pumped for the watcher to be Sisko. His Family name being dropped, Gul Dukat, time travel, ... they did not give us so much DS9 lore since Lower Decks
I’d normally say, “good point” to something like this, but I’m not so certain. Whatever happened to time has even effect Q; whatever we’re dealing with is far, far above even the Celestial Temple, I suspect.
If Sisko is in it I'm willing to bet that he's The Watcher that they will be looking for when they time travel. Since Sisko joined the Prophets when we last saw him, time wasn't linear for the Prophets. So a time jump would be easy for Sisko.
Notice that they **did** beam **into** the lab, so the shield was not up at that time. I was under the impression that the beaming shield went up at the same time as the beam out attempt, not before. Also, that it was her husband, the Magistrate, that ordered it when Seven and the rest were discovered to no longer be in the courtyard. It was all just bad timing..
Obviously I'm not a transporter engineer, but logic would suggest you can beam from one location to another within the shield, or outside the shield, the shield just stops anyone beaming THROUGH it.
@@stephenderry9488 - That would depend on just where the transporter is at. Was the one used to get into the lab in the palace, and with-in the shield, or was it in another building outside the shield? Notice that nobody beamed after the shield went up.
5:45 something else that I like about that scene is that she was obviously unsettled enough that she lapsed back into her Voyager era speech mannerisms and cadences for a moment, which I thought was a nice subtle touch. Jeri Ryan did a great job with that.
There's some behind the scenes pictures online showing Agnes as the Borg Queen. I think the queen that attacked the Stargazer will turn out to be Agnes.
Really enjoyed this weeks episode and I loved all the DS9 references, its about time DS9 got some love shown to it. Plus I also would want Holo-cat Spot-73 to become a recurring character.
Bearing in mind I watched these overviews in reverse for funsies, I am really interested in the cat. First, there is the spot reference with the holographic cat, then later we learn Jurati still misses her childhood cat, we learn about the "watcher" and the relation with Gary 7, and now I want to know what happened to the shapeshifting cat from that episode. It was interesting that the cat thing has been brought up quite a bit in these episodes, and I want to know if it has anything to do with Gary's cat/telepathic shapeshifter.
I think Jurati will be revealed to the Borg Queen from the first episode. Due to the time travel, and her becoming infected with borg nanoprobes, she won't travel back with the others and stay. And within the following centuries, she'll become this Borg Queen. Which is also the reason why she's masked - to hide her true identity - and to close the time loop.
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If it’s taking place in an alternate timeline then I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s General Jake Sisko whom rather than becoming a writer became a soldier
I think you're missing the point with jerati shes an extreme introvert and has a very difficult time interacting with ppl although she seems dense its just that she doesn't know how to read ppl in high stress situations
She is more along the autism spectrum than an introvert really - the term introvert tends to be mixed up at time with other observations while it mostly just means that you charge up your batteries through alone time. Introverts/extraverts can generally both read people although introverts can have the edge there because they take up subtle cues. Extraverts tend to have the upper hand at bridging gaps in a social situation. There's good indications that Jurati is an introvert but I don't think that's her issue. 😉
I didn't have a problem with Jurati… I think she appears here straight from the Stargazer, and she's still a bit drunk :S Also, Seven remembered her briefing said that WHEN the ceremony started, that shielding would go up. That's why it just appeared in that moment and not before… they were a few seconds too late and couldn't know the exact moment it'd go up.
I thought for Cetacean Observations, you'd surely note the First Magistrate and Annika's husband was played by Jon Jon Briones, who is Isa Briones' real-life dad.
I have a weird feeling she might be the Queen on the Stargazer Bridge. Just a feeling. I asked her if she had any return to Star Trek lined up at DST last year and she waved it away...
Oh fuck ya they are! And no, I think we would have heard about Avery making a return and it would have been advertised, like the Guinean thing. Also, logistically that was young sisko, it'd be hard to bringing him back to that era through make-up.
@@deanray5840 I was almost positive I heard 7's husband mention Sisko by name at one point. But I replayed it and couldn't tell for sure if he said Sisko or not.
I thought about this too, but the Bell Riots started in San Francisco and the Borg Queen mentioned they had to go to Los Angeles. I doubt they'll meet but it's interesting that both events happen in 2024. Maybe the Bell Riots influence events in L.A.?
So accustomed am I to watching trekculture videos that when I didn't get time to take in all the Easter Eggs on Château Picard I just thought "I'll watch for Cetacean Observations". Thanks again guys. xx
I can't be the only one that thinks that Sarek's son referred to in this episode is Sybok, not Spock. Spock would likely never have been born, since the Confederation would not have looked kindly on humans mating with non-humans.
I had no idea Patton voiced the cat which us awesome. I understand why they did the cliff hanger (it makes you question how they escape) though I think the Borg Queen is the answer since she's hooked into the ship. That being said while this episode was perhaps not as good as last week's it's still been way better than Discovery. Here's to hoping the season improves and that Season 3 is better still. Also, damn you Star Trek Picard if we get Sisko! Also didn't know Brent did any voiceover work here either!
For me the way the Borg Queen was rambling was similar to the Cylon hybrid in Battlestar. Maybe a small shoutout to Ronald Moore? The watcher is a nice guessing game. Could be someone we'd expect or there is a Vulcan on Earth before 2024. Mestral from STE Carbon Creek episode so it could be him.
If a Sisko appears as either Brooks or Lofton, I will be happy. Seeing Lofton and Brooks in present day, holy crap do they look like one another! So either one would be a treat.
probably a spoiler ( not realy just a speculation ) the thing Q is talking about is the fact that they destroyed the queen in the first episode, i think Q wants the federation to make peace with the borg, and Q being Q knows that they realy did want peace as they are/where dying, and wanted to develop as a culture and not just a plague. and as so Q wanted humanity and the federation to show what they are suppose to stand for.
Good theory! - it was pretty clear from the 'Borg' sequence in episode 1 that they wanted people to assume the same as Picard did - that it was a hostile Borg attack. But the 'queen' was stunning people and the 'power' she needed? could have been literal power/energy - to close the rift etc
Thank you for your closing comments and sentiment - I so appreciated that. Wishing for the possible peace and for humans to be the species we all know we can be. 🖖.
@TrekCulture I HAVE A CETACEAN OBSERVATION FOR YOU! When Seven wakes up, you hear music playing softly in the background. The musical piece is "Nocturne #2 Op 9/2 (Frédéric Chopin)", which I believe is a reference to Seven playing "Chopin's Nocturne Op. 72 No. 1" from the Voyager Episode "Human Error". That means that Seven's musical abilities also survived the time change! :)
I know the location is slightly different (LA vs SF), but it would be crazy for them to HAVE to go back to 2024 and then end up NOT being related to Q doing something with the Bell riots
So Q shows up and tells them they did this to their selves, and what’s the first thing Picard does? He goes about making it happen just like he did the last time, exactly like Q just bloody got finished telling him he was going to do! No wonder Q is so frustrated with Picard!! 😂
@@roffel06 Last time ("All Good Things"), Q showed Picard the anomaly and started bouncing him through time. Picard then caused the anomaly in the future by initiating the scan in all three time frames (we'll just ignore the part where Data states that it's as if all three beams were from the Enterprise...). It could be that Picard himself is what causes the timeline change by going back in time to stop it in the first place. Timey-wimey cause-and-effect stuff.
The crew going back in time to fix the past is what caused the divergence in the first place. I can't wait to hear Q gloating when Picard realises he's gone and created an All Good Things style paradox again. Oh and I love the callbacks to episode names. Yesterday's Enterprise, Through the Mirror Darkly, Insurrection. I'm sure I've missed some.
Not sure if you'd call them cameos exactly, but it's nice to see Dukat and Martok again! Begs the question if the Ferengi skull was Zek, Quark, or Rom lol
lasorena is a cargo ship... why was it used as a fighter? I think they could have choosen a better reason for Rio to be on it as it didn't made sense for me..Otherwise great ep
Agreed on Jurati and the foreshadowing. My theory is a variation on Chekhov getting hurt in 4. She'll be injured and need more advanced medicine than available and will need nanites. They also seemed to hint at something with her closeness with synthetics by Rios. She'll be both human and synthetic if part Borg. Variation on Picard in a way.
Let's not forget that we've seen the totalitarian xenophobic Picard before and it wasn't in an altered timeline. Star Trek: First Contact gave us the Picard who said, "This far, no further!", it gave us the Picard who was willing to feed his crew to the Borg in hand-to-hand combat, a Picard whose ship was more important than his crew, who turned on his own officers in his blind blood lust for Borg eradication. If not for Lily Evans talking him down, that is the Picard who would've brought all to ruin. Just thought we were all due for a history lesson.
Bearing in mind I watched these overviews in reverse for funsies, I am really interested in the cat. First, there is the spot reference with the holographic cat, then later we learn Jurati still misses her childhood cat, we learn about the "watcher" and the relation with Gary 7, and now I want to know what happened to the shapeshifting cat from that episode. It was interesting that the cat thing has been brought up quite a bit in these episodes, and I want to know if it has anything to do with Gary's cat/telepathic shapeshifter.
They were referencing in the presidential brief on the war with Vulcan that Earth was planning on using the Metreon Cascade from VOY "Jetrel". But what was really interesting here was that they referenced that the attack in Okinawa was in part for Romulus... which might suggest that in this timeline there wasn't a Hobus supernova?
Idk. Jurati seems like an intelligent person with social/emotional issues. Tilly and Adira seem like stupid characters(intellectually, socially and emotionally) who are apparently geniuses.
Theory on why Q changed: I think they’re taken something from the books and adjust it slightly (They already did that last episode, with the Borg and Q saving Picard from the self-destructing Stargazer) In the books Qs son from voyager died and Q gave Janeway the fault. I think they change this somehow so that Q gives humanity or even Picard himself the fault and that’s why he is so angry and different from before
Could Jerati (sp) have still been intoxicated or severely hungover during the move from the stargazer to the alternate timeline explaining why she was so slow on the uptake? If memory serves in the 1st episode she was still drunk on the bridge when they arrived at the anomaly.
So we know now that Borg Queens can communicate across timelines. I think The Queen from the Stargazer was Jurati. That's how the Borg Queen is familiar with her
One thing you may have missed. Picard's bloody nose after Q strikes him. In the TNG episode "Q Who?", doesn't Q tell Picard "if you cant stand a bloody nose, stay home" or something to that effect.
@@michaelkeudel8770 no it doesn't. His android body mimics an actual human body, so a bloody nose is easily possible. And as somebody else pointed out, Q himself says that Picard is in a synthetic body...
Q answered Picards “what happened to the stargazer” with “I intervened”. When Picard activated the stargazer auto destruct the resulting massive explosion would’ve killed him and everybody in the vast vicinity. That was probably “too much“ for Q to “alter” in the present, to save Picard and his crew, and allow Picard to learn a lesson. I think that is why Q is so angry at Picard, because Picard is probably Qs only real “friend” (or “beloved pet“ as Data once opined) and Q did not want to see Picard die in such an awful way. So Q made a much simpler change in the “Past” that would still make it all Picards “fault“, keep Picard and his crew from perishing, and make the stakes so incredibly high that Picard could not refuse to take the chance for “penance”.
What if, General Sisko is Jake? He might just have followed in his dads footsteps and made some rapid progress up the ranks and be the Confederations youngest general.
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That whole long scene between Q and Picard was simply brilliant. I’ve never seen John De Lancie so on point and intense. Q reducing himself to PHYSICALLY striking someone, and Picard’s almost terrified ‘Q…you’re not well’ 👌 sublime.
Also, I so want holo-cat Spot-73 to be a recurring character.
Spot-73 is PERFECT!! If cats could speak... we wouldn't want to hear their remarks about those disobedient pet humans.
@@krisaaron5771 What do you mean? Cats (any cat, every cat) are always purr-fect!
Best thing star trek has done since the 90s
I think that fight with Sisko left more scars than we've thought.
Bearing in mind I watched these overviews in reverse for funsies, I am really interested in the cat. First, there is the spot reference with the holographic cat, then later we learn Jurati still misses her childhood cat, we learn about the "watcher" and the relation with Gary 7, and now I want to know what happened to the shapeshifting cat from that episode. It was interesting that the cat thing has been brought up quite a bit in these episodes, and I want to know if it has anything to do with Gary's cat/telepathic shapeshifter.
When Q hit Picard it gave him a bloody nose. In “Q Who” Q said "If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid."
Gods, but I love that line, and John DeLancie absolutely crushed it.
Or a reference to when Sisko punched Q.
Outstanding
Great catch!
Great observation! I missed that.
When the Borg Queen was introduced, there was a faint "First Contact" Borg theme running as the BGM. Gave me the chills.
Exactly the 4 notes we wanted. Always wanted the Voyager eps to feature but they cheaped out and did ‘tribute to’ version. Super satisfied
yes! I'm glad somone else noticed that too 😍
Surprisingly I noticed that and nice profile picture👌🏾 😅
I heard it too.
Yes! Very happy to hear it
Jurati, like many brilliant superminds, often lack social cues and etiquette. It's not about how brilliant they are, it's their social capability not being stretched by being in a lab so long. That, and mental issues......you can have ADD/ADHD, social anxiety, etc.....but be utterly IQ 1-million.
Took me a while to find a post mentioning this. Thank you!
I was going to say this, you're bang on
This, another missed point from TrekCulture. Thankyou
Yeah I agree. I started to really warm to her this episode as I saw her doing her best under pressure.
In that respect she's a bit like Lt. Barclay, a socially awkward but highly intelligent character.
The piano music playing when Seven wakes up is the same bit she was playing in human error, Chopin’ Nocturne No. 1 in E Minor, op. 72.
You have an excellent ear and memory!
@@JohnnyWednesday Thanks!
Such a clever detail to have included…
Hmm. I thought it was Nocturne op.9-2
@@mathisb2889 You are correct, Mathis. I thought, it would have been cool to use the piece she was playing in Voyager?
Give us Benjamin fraking SISKO you cowards! I screamed so loud when I heard his name for THE FIRST TIME after 4 years and 4 different ST shows! Finally. By the prophets I hope will see him even for one bloody minute!
Excellent episode, for the first time I loved Q!
If Sisko is in it I'm willing to bet that he's The Watcher that they will be looking for when they time travel. Since Sisko joined the Prophets when we last saw him, time wasn't linear for the Prophets. So a time jump would be easy for Sisko.
Aren't they going to 2024 in San Francisco...depending on the month and day won't the Defiant be in orbit looking for Sisko and Bashir...Bell riots
@@defiantnx515 They are going to Los Angeles.
Please calm down, Sisko wont appear. This was only another namedrop like Dukat, Sarek or Martok.
Unfortunately it won’t be Avery brooks playing Ben sisko
9:33 They in fact DID just switch that shield on, because the Eradication Day event was starting and they'd activated the security measures. Obviously the shield hadn't been activated all day because then no one could've beamed there for the event.
Site to site transport on Earth INSIDE the shield, not going through it.
@@tetravega567 The shield was around the location specifically, a shield around the planet would be a useless security measure because any operative already on Earth could just beam in.
Studio Guy: But why did they activate the shields right at the time when they tried to beam out?
Pitch Guy: So that the story can happen!
Studio Guy: Fair enough!
Correct. And I was under the impression that the Magistrate ordered it when he found Seven and them missing from the courtyard, so it was early anyways.
If people could beam there for the event, why did Picard need a shuttle? It was a bit confusing. Maybe the shield was up the whole time. Maybe it went up that moment. It almost felt like a half-fleshed out plot device that was leftover from some previous draft.
That said, why didn't the President just say, "I want to beam up to the ship that just returned from the battle at Vulcan." ? All the people who work for her and follow her orders would probably just have flipped the switch if she told them to. A triumphant warship visit is pretty on-brand for a celebrating warmonger.
In "Yesterday's Enterprise", Guinan realized the time change. I think she might be the watcher.
That's what came to mind for me, too.
I find it intriguing that we've met 2 characters in Star Trek with the ability to detect changes to the timeline.
One is Guinan.
The other is the Borg queen.
Coincidence?
I don't think so, she would have looked younger in that timeframe, and I don't think they would want to spend that much to de-age her!
I think it's going to be another soong
@@moonkey2712 - she did say in s2e1 that her species aged at will. Maybe they can de-age at will too.
So do I.
Actually thought Jurati was an up: it shows the difference between being knowledgable and being intelligent. Jurati is the typical scientist: knows a lot academically/scientifically, but often is unable to connect the dots on a more sociable level. Her depression (going from one extreme to another) doesn't help here. I think the character is very well written and performed.
I agree 100% and was pretty much what I was thinking!
My thoughts exactly.
A little deep dive here too. A careful ear can hear the Borg theme from First Contact in the lab when Picard is speaking to the queen.
It’s called the borg queen theme
smh
@@BigAntTVMedia LMFAO
@@BigAntTVMedia If you want to be pedantic, it is the Borg leitmotif. The same 5 note theme with full instruments when representing the Borg, and a single instrument version when used with the Borg Queen in both First Contact and Picard.
Badguy: Should I call General Sisko?
Fans: Yes please, absolutely, get him here right now! We love him!
I know it's not the Mirror Universe but I wonder if he has Smiley in his crew :P
I actually believed Avery Brooks would get a cameo.
@@Nuuccii92 Smiley: "Pattern Suicide"
@@KH4444444444N It would have been a welcome return for him. I hope they give Sisko a happy ending someday.
"For now I see, but through a mirror darkly" might also be a reference to Nemesis. Picard says this quote to Data after the flee Romulus in the astrometrics lab.
Yes!!!
I will admit, I did get some Shinzon vibes from Picards clothes in this episode...
I have a feeling it was the original Biblical "through a glass darkly" in Nemesis, and Enterprise played on this using "mirror" for their ep title.
Klingon Torchbearer space suit in Picards study from Discovery season 1.
Metreon Cascade mentioned in a report on Seven desk. Voyager season 1
Also the names Tuvok, Tasha Yar & Miles O’Brien names are seen on the reports on Seven desk
When Q hit Picard, was like, "You hit Picard! You never hit Picard!" Either that punch that Sisko did to him on DS9 season one, Q-Less did more to him than expected, or it really is making us so hungry for more this season.
He bled from his nose, he was human again.
And it was a back hander as well...
@@michaelkeudel8770 Good catch. I think this is Mirror Q, in a way.
@@michaelkeudel8770 Q mentioned that Picard was still a Synth when name dropping the skulls.
Q had the smooth pimp hand with the pimp outfit. Picard was going to pay him his money.
When I heard Q say "Yesterday's Enterprise" I felt that it had more meaning. That episode was about one action in the past having a huge impact on the future, and after seeing that future, the crew decided to go back and sacrifice their lives to prevent this future from happening.
Down #2: disagree. She's not Starfleet; I think they said in S1 that she had never left earth before. More like the average non adventuring person who's never jumped universes or traveled through time
Exactly. She is literally an AI specialist who has spent her life in school and lab environments, usually alone.
Also, wouldn’t she still be drunk?
I adore Jurati. It's fair for anybody to say, "I would have written her in X different way" but that's not an error in the way the character is written.
@@guaposneeze I'v egrown to like her. But they overdid the babbling a bit this episode
@@JoeyDee86 Right?
"You HIT me. You NEVER hit me."
"That was before I met Sisko."
I reckon the Sisko name drop is referring to Jake.
Ben Sisko has already joined the Celestial Temple and now lives outside time.
Changes to the timeline wouldn't affect Ben. The Sisko is not linear.
The watcher might even be Ben Sisko - inhabiting a human like his mother did
I am so pumped for the watcher to be Sisko. His Family name being dropped, Gul Dukat, time travel, ... they did not give us so much DS9 lore since Lower Decks
I have to assume Q outranks the Prophets in the power scale
god I wish it is, but I think its Guinan
I’d normally say, “good point” to something like this, but I’m not so certain. Whatever happened to time has even effect Q; whatever we’re dealing with is far, far above even the Celestial Temple, I suspect.
Loved the reference to General Sisko, would be great to see him
Could be Ben....could be Jake....
@@andrewjohnson6716 Or the 2th children with Kasidy, or Kasidy himself. There also 4 choices....
@@andrewjohnson6716 Could be Jennifer.
I hope we get to see him.
If Sisko is in it I'm willing to bet that he's The Watcher that they will be looking for when they time travel. Since Sisko joined the Prophets when we last saw him, time wasn't linear for the Prophets. So a time jump would be easy for Sisko.
didn't expect this from new trek but two episodes in and I'm STILL enjoying it, fingers crossed for the whole season!
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Notice that they **did** beam **into** the lab, so the shield was not up at that time. I was under the impression that the beaming shield went up at the same time as the beam out attempt, not before. Also, that it was her husband, the Magistrate, that ordered it when Seven and the rest were discovered to no longer be in the courtyard. It was all just bad timing..
Obviously I'm not a transporter engineer, but logic would suggest you can beam from one location to another within the shield, or outside the shield, the shield just stops anyone beaming THROUGH it.
@@stephenderry9488 - That would depend on just where the transporter is at. Was the one used to get into the lab in the palace, and with-in the shield, or was it in another building outside the shield? Notice that nobody beamed after the shield went up.
I loved hearing the First Contact Borg theme again when Picard walks up the Queen.
5:45 something else that I like about that scene is that she was obviously unsettled enough that she lapsed back into her Voyager era speech mannerisms and cadences for a moment, which I thought was a nice subtle touch. Jeri Ryan did a great job with that.
There's some behind the scenes pictures online showing Agnes as the Borg Queen. I think the queen that attacked the Stargazer will turn out to be Agnes.
Which would explain why the new Queen was stunning only.
That would have been an enjoyable theory if you didn't tell me about BTS photos.
Really enjoyed this weeks episode and I loved all the DS9 references, its about time DS9 got some love shown to it. Plus I also would want Holo-cat Spot-73 to become a recurring character.
If you liked it, you never understood what made the old DS9 and TNG special in the first place.
Bearing in mind I watched these overviews in reverse for funsies, I am really interested in the cat. First, there is the spot reference with the holographic cat, then later we learn Jurati still misses her childhood cat, we learn about the "watcher" and the relation with Gary 7, and now I want to know what happened to the shapeshifting cat from that episode. It was interesting that the cat thing has been brought up quite a bit in these episodes, and I want to know if it has anything to do with Gary's cat/telepathic shapeshifter.
Sean as fellow Irish man I just want to say thank you. I love your vids and they really make my day when I see them.
There was also a reference to General O'Brian from the Dominion Alliance conflict and Conul Yar from a romulan rebellion!
Where was that?
@@Andrew-zv4fm Annika's briefing screen(s).
Will if it said O'Brian, then it's not Miles O'Brien.
@@barryallen871 it says General Miles O'Brien and Colonel Yar.
@@MazeThePlaya man I can’t spell lol
I think Jurati will be revealed to the Borg Queen from the first episode.
Due to the time travel, and her becoming infected with borg nanoprobes, she won't travel back with the others and stay. And within the following centuries, she'll become this Borg Queen. Which is also the reason why she's masked - to hide her true identity - and to close the time loop.
rlm had it right, the borg queen is Picards mom
I thought the queen sounded like 7
@@charlesburrows687 I caught that too
Good theory! 👌🏽👍🏽
@@charlesburrows687 that is a mind beep
Stumbled onto your channel checking out Picard updates cause I refuse to get more streaming services just to watch one show. Props to your delivery on camera. Subscribed!!
This episode can be summed up in one word Fantastic!
If it’s taking place in an alternate timeline then I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s General Jake Sisko whom rather than becoming a writer became a soldier
Well Thank Sean another wonderful UPs and Downs Till we meet again NEXT WEEK
When seven was giving her speech it looked like the court scene from the 1st farpoint episode
I think you're missing the point with jerati shes an extreme introvert and has a very difficult time interacting with ppl although she seems dense its just that she doesn't know how to read ppl in high stress situations
It seems to be what the Borg Queen was picking up on her too
She is more along the autism spectrum than an introvert really - the term introvert tends to be mixed up at time with other observations while it mostly just means that you charge up your batteries through alone time.
Introverts/extraverts can generally both read people although introverts can have the edge there because they take up subtle cues.
Extraverts tend to have the upper hand at bridging gaps in a social situation.
There's good indications that Jurati is an introvert but I don't think that's her issue. 😉
I didn't have a problem with Jurati… I think she appears here straight from the Stargazer, and she's still a bit drunk :S
Also, Seven remembered her briefing said that WHEN the ceremony started, that shielding would go up. That's why it just appeared in that moment and not before… they were a few seconds too late and couldn't know the exact moment it'd go up.
I love Q's coat/shirt outfit. Very cool looking.
I also laughed out loud at the "7 Shots" line.
All that matters is Spot 73. Bow before the Spot hegemony. Resistance is digitally furry and doesn't follow instructions at all.
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Have to agree Sean. That opening scene between Picard and Q was, as always, absolutely brilliant. Didn't expect Q to slap Picard though. 🇮🇪🇺🇦🇪🇺👍
Q once said to his son .
Dont mess with the Borg. Maybe the season handles these Question
Seven Shots.. I was watching this on the bus and laughed out loud too! My apologies to the poor guy I startled
I thought for Cetacean Observations, you'd surely note the First Magistrate and Annika's husband was played by Jon Jon Briones, who is Isa Briones' real-life dad.
Gonna be a great one. Such an incredible episode ! Edit: And he mentioned Patton Oswalt ! My wife & I flipped last night when we heard that.
What's incredible about it ??
@@kidjustice7945 The episode or the cameos ?
@@chefdean7257 the cameo is great
I like the Cetacean observations with the dolphin chirps. Keep it up!
I would have enjoyed seeing Alice Krige back as the queen, but this was well done.
Also, she’s not just smiling, she is SMIRKING.
I have a weird feeling she might be the Queen on the Stargazer Bridge.
Just a feeling. I asked her if she had any return to Star Trek lined up at DST last year and she waved it away...
There are more than one Queen, so it's ok for me
@Mike Mainer It seemed to me a crazy thing for them to do!
@@stevedergamer5322 And that totally makes sense.
I had a thought while watching this episode. 2024 is the same year as the Bell riots. Could we be getting a Sisko/Avery Brooks cameo?
Oh fuck ya they are! And no, I think we would have heard about Avery making a return and it would have been advertised, like the Guinean thing. Also, logistically that was young sisko, it'd be hard to bringing him back to that era through make-up.
@@deanray5840 I was almost positive I heard 7's husband mention Sisko by name at one point. But I replayed it and couldn't tell for sure if he said Sisko or not.
Yes sisko was mentioned.
It COULD be Jake.
I thought about this too, but the Bell Riots started in San Francisco and the Borg Queen mentioned they had to go to Los Angeles. I doubt they'll meet but it's interesting that both events happen in 2024. Maybe the Bell Riots influence events in L.A.?
When it comes to the Borg Queen, for me Alice Krige is still the best.
Alice Krige is phenomenal in any role. She saved the Dune miniseries when they cast her as Jessica. The first one was a disaster.
So accustomed am I to watching trekculture videos that when I didn't get time to take in all the Easter Eggs on Château Picard I just thought "I'll watch for Cetacean Observations". Thanks again guys. xx
I also like the bloody nose ref from Q who S2 E16 - good episode I hope this continues
As a voyager fan seven absolutely owned this episode
If "The watcher" turned out to be the Vulcan from Enterprise that remained on Earth I'd love it.
I'd completely forgotten about that
That would be really awesome but i have a feeling its going to be Guinan
I would love it, as well. Nevertheless, I think it might have something to do with a Dr. Song distant descendent.
@@pedrohrpereiray Ancestor, but Yeah, if you want to be all realistic about it lol
I've been thinking that Mestral could, if he was careful and lucky, still be around by First Contact.
As a maths nerd as well as trek nerd I squee’d so hard when seven wrote Euler’s identity on the mirror.
YES! I can't believe this didn't get and UP.
By the prophets, when they name dropped Sisko I jumped up and down on my couch as Tom Cruise did on Oprah!
Me too!
I look forward to these ups and downs as much as I look forward to the actual new Star Trek episodes! 🤣😍
I'm looking more forward to Redlettermedia's review... more entertaining than the shows themselves.
@@Knightfall182 Yeah I like RLM reviews more than the actual episodes lol
I can't be the only one that thinks that Sarek's son referred to in this episode is Sybok, not Spock.
Spock would likely never have been born, since the Confederation would not have looked kindly on humans mating with non-humans.
I had no idea Patton voiced the cat which us awesome. I understand why they did the cliff hanger (it makes you question how they escape) though I think the Borg Queen is the answer since she's hooked into the ship. That being said while this episode was perhaps not as good as last week's it's still been way better than Discovery. Here's to hoping the season improves and that Season 3 is better still. Also, damn you Star Trek Picard if we get Sisko! Also didn't know Brent did any voiceover work here either!
I figured the same. The Queen could beam the three into space quite easily. May not be the nicest move but certainly effective.
She's going to whip out those tentacles and assimilate them. LOL
OK. I Know this Series just wrapped after Season 3 but can we all agree that we need that Evil Picard vs. Gul Dukat Movie ????
Jurati's cover story was so great I watched it three times. It was hilarious!
Tilly.. uh I mean Adira.. uh, I mean Jurati.
@@ryvlaw you’ve got a point, the stumbling they all do is probably from a single writer. I still enjoy the cover story tho.
For me the way the Borg Queen was rambling was similar to the Cylon hybrid in Battlestar. Maybe a small shoutout to Ronald Moore?
The watcher is a nice guessing game. Could be someone we'd expect or there is a Vulcan on Earth before 2024. Mestral from STE Carbon Creek episode so it could be him.
Remember Jurati was drunk when the stargazer blew, we are all a bit slow on the uptake when hanging!
If a Sisko appears as either Brooks or Lofton, I will be happy. Seeing Lofton and Brooks in present day, holy crap do they look like one another! So either one would be a treat.
probably a spoiler ( not realy just a speculation ) the thing Q is talking about is the fact that they destroyed the queen in the first episode, i think Q wants the federation to make peace with the borg, and Q being Q knows that they realy did want peace as they are/where dying, and wanted to develop as a culture and not just a plague. and as so Q wanted humanity and the federation to show what they are suppose to stand for.
Good theory! - it was pretty clear from the 'Borg' sequence in episode 1 that they wanted people to assume the same as Picard did - that it was a hostile Borg attack. But the 'queen' was stunning people and the 'power' she needed? could have been literal power/energy - to close the rift etc
Oh my god I missed The General Sisco comment. I’ll have to watch it all again. The Emissary is coming back yay ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Thank you for your closing comments and sentiment - I so appreciated that. Wishing for the possible peace and for humans to be the species we all know we can be. 🖖.
I think the borg ship in the first episode is trying escape the time line that Q created and the new borg queen is Anges
ISN'T it supposed to be Yvette Picard?
@TrekCulture I HAVE A CETACEAN OBSERVATION FOR YOU! When Seven wakes up, you hear music playing softly in the background. The musical piece is "Nocturne #2 Op 9/2 (Frédéric Chopin)", which I believe is a reference to Seven playing "Chopin's Nocturne Op. 72 No. 1" from the Voyager Episode "Human Error". That means that Seven's musical abilities also survived the time change! :)
Good Morning Sean, Hope you are well this day. I did love this episode.
The time incursion was 2024.....the same year the DS9 episode "Past Tense" took place.
I know the location is slightly different (LA vs SF), but it would be crazy for them to HAVE to go back to 2024 and then end up NOT being related to Q doing something with the Bell riots
So Q shows up and tells them they did this to their selves, and what’s the first thing Picard does? He goes about making it happen just like he did the last time, exactly like Q just bloody got finished telling him he was going to do! No wonder Q is so frustrated with Picard!! 😂
Oh that is a good point. I was thinking about a reference to climate change.
I didn't get your point on "making it happen just like he did last time". Could you elaborate on this, please?
@@roffel06 Last time ("All Good Things"), Q showed Picard the anomaly and started bouncing him through time. Picard then caused the anomaly in the future by initiating the scan in all three time frames (we'll just ignore the part where Data states that it's as if all three beams were from the Enterprise...).
It could be that Picard himself is what causes the timeline change by going back in time to stop it in the first place.
Timey-wimey cause-and-effect stuff.
@@DarkLordPrime awesome, thanks for the explanation! The federation time department must have a section dedicated to Jean-Luc, then. 😎
@@DarkLordPrime Wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey, right? 😁😁
Aye for mentioning Starship Troopers!! Great episode all around!
Might see a resistance movement led by Worf or Tuvok? That’d be cool.
Sisko! That is all!
I've never been so excited 😊. We all know Avery Brooks can play a bad ass so well.
The crew going back in time to fix the past is what caused the divergence in the first place. I can't wait to hear Q gloating when Picard realises he's gone and created an All Good Things style paradox again. Oh and I love the callbacks to episode names. Yesterday's Enterprise, Through the Mirror Darkly, Insurrection. I'm sure I've missed some.
Very informative Sean. Keep up the good work
Finally able to watch the episode earlier today, my first thought on several scenes: Sean is going to talk about/mention it. And I was spot on.
Would have loved it to have been Gul Madred's head in Picard's gallery but I guess that event never happened in this skewed timeline. Damn!
Well, at least there are _FOUR LIGHTS!_
Not sure if you'd call them cameos exactly, but it's nice to see Dukat and Martok again!
Begs the question if the Ferengi skull was Zek, Quark, or Rom lol
Or Brundt
It’ll be the Grand Negus, has to be.
@@tetravega567 Who? Oh, you must mean Brundt, FCA.
Damon Bok.
@@locomadman no it would be that ferangi that tried to kill him for him killing his son when he was on the star gazer
lasorena is a cargo ship... why was it used as a fighter? I think they could have choosen a better reason for Rio to be on it as it didn't made sense for me..Otherwise great ep
it's wasn't to fight, the commander under Rios tell him his trick worked. I think the ship was bait for the Vulcans.
The ship is "La Sirena" (the siren) - not Lasorena.
It's also clearly the fastest ship in the galaxy in this timeline as it covered the 16 light years from Vulcan to Earth in like 40 minutes.
Agreed on Jurati and the foreshadowing. My theory is a variation on Chekhov getting hurt in 4. She'll be injured and need more advanced medicine than available and will need nanites. They also seemed to hint at something with her closeness with synthetics by Rios. She'll be both human and synthetic if part Borg. Variation on Picard in a way.
Borg Queen did mention a splinter...
I really enjoyed the episode. Great stuff. Great presentation as usual Sean.
The Klingon torchbearer outfit was on display. Also at Nevar/Vulcan, they referenced their green blood and scrambling your brains
Let's not forget that we've seen the totalitarian xenophobic Picard before and it wasn't in an altered timeline. Star Trek: First Contact gave us the Picard who said, "This far, no further!", it gave us the Picard who was willing to feed his crew to the Borg in hand-to-hand combat, a Picard whose ship was more important than his crew, who turned on his own officers in his blind blood lust for Borg eradication. If not for Lily Evans talking him down, that is the Picard who would've brought all to ruin. Just thought we were all due for a history lesson.
Lily Evans? Like, Harry Potter's mother? Are you kidding? When was that? I must look it up.
@@Donnagata1409 I hope that was a joke. With that said, it should have been Lily Sloane.
Bearing in mind I watched these overviews in reverse for funsies, I am really interested in the cat. First, there is the spot reference with the holographic cat, then later we learn Jurati still misses her childhood cat, we learn about the "watcher" and the relation with Gary 7, and now I want to know what happened to the shapeshifting cat from that episode. It was interesting that the cat thing has been brought up quite a bit in these episodes, and I want to know if it has anything to do with Gary's cat/telepathic shapeshifter.
They were referencing in the presidential brief on the war with Vulcan that Earth was planning on using the Metreon Cascade from VOY "Jetrel".
But what was really interesting here was that they referenced that the attack in Okinawa was in part for Romulus... which might suggest that in this timeline there wasn't a Hobus supernova?
Or the Confederation blew it up first!
Since it's mostly the same writer, I feel like whoever wrote Tilly copied her character on to Jurati (and Adira)
Idk. Jurati seems like an intelligent person with social/emotional issues. Tilly and Adira seem like stupid characters(intellectually, socially and emotionally) who are apparently geniuses.
Theory on why Q changed: I think they’re taken something from the books and adjust it slightly (They already did that last episode, with the Borg and Q saving Picard from the self-destructing Stargazer) In the books Qs son from voyager died and Q gave Janeway the fault. I think they change this somehow so that Q gives humanity or even Picard himself the fault and that’s why he is so angry and different from before
The Q continuum and the Borg Collective are at war mebe?
@@TheJML9999 I don’t think so the Q are still much stronger than the Borg. They would stand no chance
Maybe his son was assimilated somehow.
Could Jerati (sp) have still been intoxicated or severely hungover during the move from the stargazer to the alternate timeline explaining why she was so slow on the uptake? If memory serves in the 1st episode she was still drunk on the bridge when they arrived at the anomaly.
She couldn't have possibly still been intoxicated by the time that Seven arrived, Picard arrived, and the fleet arrived.
This episode was dark, if not the darkest ST episode I've ever seen
The Alien skulls scene was very grim
but not the Ridley "Alien" Scott alien skulls. ha ha.
@@andrewmurray1550 🤣🤣
Best trek I’ve enjoyed in years!!!!…brilliant the 2nd season so far!!😁👏👏
So we know now that Borg Queens can communicate across timelines. I think The Queen from the Stargazer was Jurati. That's how the Borg Queen is familiar with her
13:27 That was my exact reaction 😂😂😂 but I’d doubt we’ll see Avery Brooks as Sisko but fingers crossed still.
Thought for a second you were about to mention the Magistrate is Soji's dad in real life 😁
It may not lead to anything but I did wonder why it wasn't Whiting out when Q snaped or if it not quite blacking out instead means something
Since Wolf 359 never happened in this reality, it could be General Jennifer Sisko.
Or Jake???
How so?
We don't know if Wolf 359 happened.
Maybe in this reality at Wolf 359 Picard lead humanity to a glorious victory against the Borg, and Sisko is his biggest fan. 😏
@@JesmondBeeBee you never know. I am intrigued by the idea that it is not a mirror universe but the same universe.
One thing you may have missed. Picard's bloody nose after Q strikes him. In the TNG episode "Q Who?", doesn't Q tell Picard "if you cant stand a bloody nose, stay home" or something to that effect.
It also meant Picards not an android.
@@michaelkeudel8770 Q: "Gul Dukat. -yadayada- In *this* reality, he's the reason you have that..*nifty* synthetic body."
@@michaelkeudel8770 no it doesn't. His android body mimics an actual human body, so a bloody nose is easily possible.
And as somebody else pointed out, Q himself says that Picard is in a synthetic body...
One thing you didn't put in Cetacean Observations is that the president's husband was played by Isa Briones' father.
Pity they didn’t get Robert Beltran back as Anika’s husband…
Q answered Picards “what happened to the stargazer” with “I intervened”. When Picard activated the stargazer auto destruct the resulting massive explosion would’ve killed him and everybody in the vast vicinity. That was probably “too much“ for Q to “alter” in the present, to save Picard and his crew, and allow Picard to learn a lesson. I think that is why Q is so angry at Picard, because Picard is probably Qs only real “friend” (or “beloved pet“ as Data once opined) and Q did not want to see Picard die in such an awful way. So Q made a much simpler change in the “Past” that would still make it all Picards “fault“, keep Picard and his crew from perishing, and make the stakes so incredibly high that Picard could not refuse to take the chance for “penance”.
Yup, the Borg Queen is absolutely looking at Agnes like "She would make an excellent Locutus 2.0."
What if, General Sisko is Jake? He might just have followed in his dads footsteps and made some rapid progress up the ranks and be the Confederations youngest general.
I would think that he would be pretty young to have a generalship, I mean Picard was also a general and two generations older