Bro I thought you of all people would understand where these guys are coming from you sound super different now that she is next to you. And the guy with the blue ate everything on the plate bro we get labeled everything in the for the most Simplist things that's what's he is saying. It's the narrative being pushed against us as men. Dont act differently because she sitting there next to you
And the blue sweater guy is a 100% right women don't like being approached anywhere so there is no point. If there interested they need to apply pressure from now on. Us good men gave up and is on our purpose.
You two definitely missed the point that I thought was obvious since I am a heterosexual man at 1:30. Women who are "chased" or "pursued" by men who are not deemed attractive or are labeled as unattractive will be seen as creepy or harassing those women being "chased" or "pursued." It's like in a club when you approach a woman and she gives you a stank face. Meanwhile, a man who she finds cute can approach her in the same way and she smiles, feeling comfortable. You literally put women in self-imposed danger if you are unattractive or have women feeling welcomed if you are attractive for the exact same actions. The ambiguity is in the perception.
No they got the point. His argument for that point was don’t chase, but pursue where their is reciprocity and her point was for a man to make it abundantly clear that he is interested where there is mutual interest being shown. The tricky part about what she is saying is that women aren’t always the most straightforward people to read. In my experience, for every 5 that you pursue, 1 will reciprocate the energy you are giving 🤷♂️
@@imeisang Where do you live? I gotta shift there. I've shamelessly approached over 80 girls and got zero positive responses! I took the traditional way, the pick-up artist tricks, the HowToBeast way and just being honest and upfront. Nothing worked!
@@Farhan_049 first you have to look for a non verbal nod, then approach with confidence and be yourself. Tell her she looks beautiful and you would love the chance to get to know her. Ask for her number, if she is interested she'll give it. If she has given you no nods or signals of interest at all, simply walk up and say "hi I just wanted to come and tell you that you are absolutely beautiful and I hope you have a great day/night" then thank her for her time and proceeded to walk away, if she is interested she will stop you.
I'm surprised he couldn't understand what the first guy was trying to say. Many women today view any flirting, approaches, etc, from men they aren't attracted to as harrassment...harassment... could lead to these women telling teachers, bosses, even police which could lead to repercussions if men "chase" the wrong woman. So many men are choosing not to take the chance because rejection can have more severe consequences.
Yeah at first I thought he acting a little brand new now that he has her there next to him. These are concepts I have heard discussed here but I'll shoot him some bail because first I always thought her video was more on the comedic side, so I thought it was funny more than understanding her point and she seems nice enough too. No need to bring her on and bark on her or interrogate. But I didn't like when he started calling the men on the stalker side. Like bro you doing what they talking about. That's the fear they are talking about being labeled and you're labeling (semi because he said "kinda") them and they just responding to her video. Just Saying it out loud and they sound stalkerish or rapist to you. Smh
I also felt that his entire energy changed with her in the conversation. BUT he did say that he used to be a SIMP so maybe there is still a bit left in his system. 🤷🏾♂️
I really hope he doesn't end up like those two face individuals that say something to please their audience and then turns around and says something completely different to another democratic. Roma Army for example is a chameleon and he already promoted her content on his channel,i hope I'm wrong but it wouldn't surprise me.
The guy in the first video was simply saying a lot of women will say they want a man to chase them and be persistent; but will then turn around and claim that a man is harassing them or take it even further. The difference between harassment and persistence for a lot of women, when it comes to dating, is simply how attracted she is to that man. There was no need to use s.i.g.n. language with dude.
I'm in agreement here💯. I've tried the pursue and quickly like he said this day n age is different. Now I get being creepy or weird. So I stopped pursuing. Hell complimenting a woman gets you no where but a negative push back from such said woman or women. Not everyone is anyone's flavor I understand that. But don't give a man a negative label for atleast trying. Be thankful a man even gave you the attention and move on. Now not all women are like this. But honestly it's a crap shoot. But when you get that negative feedback, you stop. As men we are human as well. We would like to be pursued too.
The terms 'obsessed' and 'obsessive' are very strong, and can easily be misconstrued. Asking 'where are all the obsessed men?' implies you actually want obsession. Instead, just ask for old-school romance. Flowers, walks in the park, dinners. Avoid terminology that leads people to think about stalkers and creepers.
1) Women want the 'right' man to pursue them. Any other man is a 'creep' if they pursue them. On top of that, women like to play mind games with the men who pursue them. In conjunction with that, relationships take effort. Both have to be committed to making it work. At this point, today's women just want men to pursue them and are not willing to make the effort to be committed to one man. 2) It is exhausting to play the 'numbers' game of pursing one, get turned down or rejected and move on to the next and repeat. After awhile, a guy will figure out that his time is better served pursing other things instead of women. 3) As a guy, there are other ways to take care of business as a substitute to female companionship.
I never understood my gender. The mind games, they play them with each other, even their best friends! It's about as creepy as the creepiest creep out there sometimes. A woman that thinks playing mind games with a man is the way to work the relationship, she don't deserve the man. Things like that are why I get along with men better than women. I've had to explain to some that I'm not interested in more than friendship before, but I do it as soon as they make a move that obviously means that, and I do my best to not "lead them along" as so many women do.
Let's be 100% you don't need to chase or pursue. The best way to meet a woman is during the pursuit of yourself. Find woman in your every day life that share the same passions and interest as yourself. I met my wife through a common interest. We interacted through our common interest and it led to an romantic relationship. The " chase " did not happen. The chemistry was apparent and we both rolled with it.
@@AidylasiaFirestar Yeah, I've seen some of the games that some ladies would play upon themselves. I swear, some women who are 'BFF' act like mortal enemies! They are mean to each other!
I was good friend with a guy, show was sleeping with a married woman. Both were in mid 20. He was a decent looking guy, she was gorgeous. Her husband chased her, he is a very strong and masculine guy and he pretty much forced her to marry even though she didn't like him that much. And what he got - a cheating wife. If a woman rejects you just move on the next one. I have and same girls were chasing me.
@@AidylasiaFirestar I told my cousin that. She think just because she is a girl she will get alone with all of them and I did my best but she just would not listen. Now she is crying because her so called best friend took her boyfriend and now they hate each other. If people was just Honest and just tell the truth and stop lying to one another this society no this World world would be such a beautiful and wonderful place back to how it used to be but I guess they can't help but be dirty.
All of a sudden "iTs a jOkE" when she's called out. No. I don't believe her. She's trying to preserve her public image. That's all. She's far too expressive, which is a sign she's trying to cover or hide something.
@@smithsmith1956 exactly homie is lost..body language don’t lie..remember buddy watch what they do, not what they say…it’s studies an books on this stuff. shit! ive read books released by a ex FBI/CIA agents.. 1 off top of my head is joe navarro [what every body is saying ] that taught me certain tells an movements ppl do when they lying uncomfortable etc..it’s basically an Ex-Agents guide to speed reading people..you don’t believe me good you should question take a look at the shit for yourself.
I will never chase a woman. If I ever feel like she’s playing that “chase me” game then ✌🏾 on to the next one… there’s way too many women in the world to be fixated on someone who gives mixed signals. My time is valuable. Let me know where I stand and let’s be grown about it. Until then I’ll focus on my career, improving my mental health, and building my body.
Case and point, the first 2 brothers showed concern about being labeled a stalker and you join her in shaming them. At 21:20 , when the roll reversal was mentioned, when she voiced the very same concern about being labeled a stalker that they did, you fell silent. Who didn't you press her like you did them? Gotta stand on ya word bruh. If showing concern means you was probably doing something wrong, then it should mean the same when she says it. Facts are facts.
You just can’t ask women for dating advice, they think they know what they want but they don’t. They describe the guy they have in the “friend zone” when they say what they want in a guy, and STILL WON’T give that friend-zone guy a chance.
@@SuperTruthful And that’s where ur right and wrong cause like the men in my family say. “U gotta lose in order to win”. Learn from ur mistakes. We all been friend zone at one point in our lives. It’s learning how not to be or don’t fool with women that wanna put u in it cause there’s no value in it, and while she’s crying on ur shoulder about her hurt she’s getting her cheeks clapped by the same person they claim brought the problem. Just a question what’s wrong with the guy who showed concern and won’t isn’t the woman letting him clap those cheeks. I already know I’m just asking u.
8:28 the lady asks, "if the good guys aren't chasing anymore how are they meeting women?" You can meet people without pursuing them. What the gentleman in the video means is we're no longer going out of our way to prove our worth to someone who doesn't even know their own. At least that's what I think that he means. We're tired of going out of our way to show we care only to be passed over for some toxic asshole while being friendzoned.
Yeah. So like taking women on coffee dates and more small steps of getting to know you interactions right? So no one's time is really wasted in the beginning.
She answered everything like a person who doesn't get rejected. The other side is that women shoot their shot and can walk away without an issue. Men shoot their shot then women will go talk trash about you to friends or the internet. In the same way she cant define what is chasing, it's the same maze/ minefield a guy has to navigate in order to try to find the defined path or what is showing interest or chasing.
Well I will agree that most Women can go up and get a Man its really because most Men dont get aporch so if a good looking women walk up to a good Man he most likely not going to turn her down but same can be said for a women. If a ugly walk up to a Good looking Man most likely she not going to get that Man. But that's how Nature is but its really not Men fault for wanting a good and pretty Women God made them to mostly be Beautiful while he made Men to be Strong. Its just about who you meet.
Welp in order to make a man WANT to even THINK about pursuing a woman said woman must at least show a LIL clue that she’s interested.. AND then again if it’s NOT the one specific type she looking for it gets ugly when she’s approached.. so we NEED a LIL clue if u feeling us.. can’t just sit there and have bunches of men all coming up to you tryin for the pick of the litter.. just show a lil LOVE
when I was single I met a guy in a club. I wasn't excessively drinking, keeping my head on straight, and bought him a bottle of water. he acted disappointed. then he got my number. I tried to get to know him. this was about a week. finally he busted out all this sexual nonsense. so case in point maybe be up front about what you want. don't text me good morning beautiful for a week straight only to end it with I just want some mad freaky sex. that's too much and makes us feel some way.
The problem is that men are tired of the indirectness, playing coy, and plausible deniability situations. No can mean no, yes, or no, but keep trying. There's literally a tweet of a woman saying how she's mad at a guy for not pursuing her anymore after she turned him down.
Thank you! This girl really was some plausible deniability as well as no accountability to the female counterparts who’ve ruined it for her whole point in the video.
Girls have so many excuses. “Chase me” But if I’m not into you, it’s your fault for not figuring it out. It’s your fault for aiming out of your League. All I hear are women demanding, and men not receiving. So yall missing the point why men don’t bother with pursuing. It’s not worth it. All this wasted efforts and energy I couldn’t spent on myself or building my business. Y’all pursue for a change and see where that get you
AoK, bruh, I love you to death. Truly. Your point of view is almost always on point. BUT in this case, you're acting brand new. If a man obsesses over a woman and she's not with it, she can easily say he's harassing (or "stalking") her, which can get him killed. Wait, I misspoke. It can get him investigated by the police, which could very easily lead to his death ("Taser Taser taser" - dead). Remember the times we live in. Woman says it, it's gotta be true, take the man down. Don't get me wrong. Chillcoleworld is one fine ass chocolate sista and the fact that she's funny is a huge plus. BUT! She's oblivious to how women work nowadays. You text a woman every day, she thinks 'Got 'im!' when that's not actually the case. Modern women don't want a man who is available to them. They want a man who is NOT available, at least not easily or readily available. I mean, I'll send a morning text but it'll be a few hours before I respond to your response because I'm handling my business. Until you prove yourself worthy, you are not my priority.
It's funny how some guys will change up their act just for some 🐱, after this video I'm starting to believe this guy is a joke, I was already on the fence about him since he's covered alot of videos with him agreeing with Roma army, when she's a chameleon, she wants to say that guys aren't piggy banks but then makes her living off of selling nudes via her patreon, I had to block her channel after getting blasted non stop with "hey sign up to my patreon for my adult content called Roma after hours"
@@jamesoaks1120 FUnny how she is all for waking men upon to women bs then she literally is doing the same things the women she speaks out against do to men foh roma we do not need a woman to speak up for us
I get the first dude to a degree. In the current "Me too movement", pursuit and "chasing" can be labeled as harassment. Cards on the table face up, no time for games.
I'm very disappointed in you for this video. All of a sudden you don't know where these men are coming from when you out here telling the same thing in every other video. You capping like hell is this one bro. It looks like you wanted yo shoot your shot so you capping Hella hard. Keep it reel bro. Speak the same shit you been speaking that got you these subs.
OK first things first. She already put me off by saying that’s a joke. A deflection tactic that most women use to absolve themselves from accountability.
A perfect example- my mom (total disgusting narcissist and worst of women) sent me a text and laughing emojis saying to check out this show, which was total child abuse. I pointed out to her that I won’t give a view to it because I think it’s atrocious and don’t find abuse and traumatizing kids funny. Her reply ‘oh me too it’s not my thing.’ Right after she told me to go check out this ‘hilarious show’….😳😳😳😳🙄🙄🙄🙄
Or they figured out that once you become a man of value, the women chase you. Stay on your purpose and you become fall (the women fall like leaves simply because of who/what you are).
In response to the first clip, I can see where he is coming from. I have never been accused of assault but when you look at this system and the current social norms you can see how the thought of dealing with even the potential of being accused is enough to put men off. I tell my wife often enough that I am happy that I met/married her when I did because the dating world is a wreck
"the good guys aren't chasing anymore" "then what are you doing, how are you meeting females?" females introduce themselves. no need to meet them. the gender roles reversed since childsupport has inverted which gender has more to lose from casual sexual encounters. men are now the selectors. it is strange since in most species the male has on the dazzling display of fitness, but in humans it is quite the opposite and it is getting more pronounced. "where does the female come into play in this" she doesn't. "how are you going to get female attention if you aren't pursuing" the kind of attention you get from pursuing and stalking women isn't the good kind. women will pursue you if you have enough status. more women have asked me to marry them, than i have even asked out. some guys talk about pursueing a relationship, that is entirely different than pursuing a person. what you describe is rapport building, or testing the waters. it is fine as slang but leads to miscommunication if someone thinks you mean it in the 'normal' way. "if she gives you the green light then you have to chase or pursue" if you 'chase' or 'pursue' you are presenting yourself as lower value than her. and if she wants you less, or thinks she wants you less, then she will be unfaithful. don't give bad advice.
Nah bruh, I'm not chasing no woman after I've already told her I'm interested. Men don't have to keep proving that to her by chasing and over pursuing. A man that has a life and a purpose doesn't have that kind of time. She's a pretty woman but she sounds insecure. Men of value are chasing dreams not Women
The message she sent is for the men she want(that don't want her and show little to no interest in her after she gave up the goods). It doesn't apply to the countless men lusting after in the comments of that video and dms.
Her eyes and body language told a different story then it what was actually coming out of her mouth. The eyes don’t lie 👀. The fourth brother in the video is spot on.
I like how she try to downplay her looks to seem innocent. She knew what she was doing in that video ......I'm sorry, but I'm not biting this innocent stuff! If you go on social media for attention, you might not get what you want.. Don't bite the drama, bro ....
The first guy understood the concept. The “harassment” comes from the observation that in today’s world, it’s often portrayed that when men even approach women, it’s looked at or considered harassment by either herself or others.
@@Nytellem Yeah, the energy was.. Different in this video. Even watching the first video, I wasn’t really enjoying it because the entire time, I felt that if it was any other girl he didn’t know, personally, his reaction would’ve been different.
I'm sorry but I have learned NOT to take what women say TOO seriously since most don't know what they want and OR what they want literally changes by the hour, not to mention their personal bias.
Damn. It's crazy how dudes switch up when they get around a pretty woman. That first clip alone where you complete missed the obvious point. Obsession has direct correlation to harassment and other things. And you don't want ANYTHING close to that to be directed at you. Good thing TH-cam disabled the dislike counter I guess
I respect him for pulling her somehow to his crib. That’s some boss shit. But you Simping my guy. You missed a good opportunity to actually let her know why men are triggered to the video and just had a discussion on that but instead kinda played her side and let her lie her way through the video.
You've gotta understand the difference between pursuing and chasing. I define pursuing in the dating scene as going for someone showing mutual interest. To chase is to go after someone with no shown interest. I am done chasing, but I'll still pursue.
There is no difference. The word pursue is defined as following or staying on a path. If there’s mutual interest, then there is no pursuing. This might be a shock, but when one mature adult meets another mature adult and they’re both interested there is a conversation, then an agreement. Here’s an analogy: Say you are pursuing a deer for food. If the deer were to turn around and walk towards you as if it wanted to be eaten (mutual interest), then that is no longer pursuing. It’s a silent negotiation or agreement. To further push my point across: The phrase “pursuing a career”. Why do you think the word pursue is used there? My answer: because a career does not have mutual interest in you. It doesn’t meet you halfway. Your pursuit is working to reach that career. The problem here is using words and seemingly creating your own definitions as if dictionaries don’t exist
She still didn't get the point that was made...her explanations were off ... Like the creep thing...he was saying women label unattractive men creeps when they approach them and then "exposes" them ...she took it the wrong place in her explanation
this right here... and i know for a fact that mans has stated this himself before. so it was kinda shocking when he was acting like the first reaction wasn't on point.
@@itZxShaDoeZ I peeped that to, seemed like he won’t keeping it 💯 like he usually does .. i think he just trying to get some 🐱 so I don’t blame him lol
Sorry I couldn't finish watching this video. I couldn't help but feel like your narrative has changed... Despite what you both are saying, I stand by logic and reasoning. Let's keep the same energy next time maybe?
What a lot of men are experiencing is dedicating their time , attention and affection to women who don’t reciprocate or drag them along . So after a couple of those you get tired of it and rather just give your attention to things that will actually pay off . Career, gym , hobbies
15:00 bro inappropriate is all a point of perspective. If a dude that a female finds attractive is doing something she can find it cute and endearing, but a dude that she doesn't find attractive is doing the exact same thing she can find it creepy and weird. Women don't want to be chased...they just want the attention of who THEY like and anyone else just isn't good enough.
Guys when a woman wants you to shoot your shot YOU'LL KNOW 90% of the time (because you do have a percentage of women that are into playing mind games and act like they're not into you - stay away from those narcissists). When I met my husband... I gave him eyes so seductive that he darn near walked up and kiss me, I almost wanted him to as well.. but 9/10 it should be the women shooting their shot "in a subtle feminine way". Remember in those 80's movies when the women dropped their handkerchief? I have a theory that Cinderella made the first move by dropping her glass slipper 'intentionally' just to get the prince to find her and give it back so...
WOW! When she replied " maybe its because they chase woman out of their league", I groaned. Who decide that? I got a dad's bod but there is actually beautiful woman who actually like that! I know, my girlfriend is one of them! Its all subjective. It's NOT an excuse! But in the same time, I being laughed at by beautiful woman when I showed the slightest interest. Even when I was young and way better shape! Beautiful woman should be POLITE and RESPECTFUL every time we're having that conversation, asking if we have a shot. You can sigh, show some annoyance even (you could simply be having a bad day)... but don't start laughing, looking at us like we were cockroaches for just doing that the first step. Make that rejection as smooth as possible.
Talking to my son.... he says he's afraid to hit on any woman because in 20 30 40 years she could put a false negative label on him just because he had once been interested in her. I get it. If I were a dude, I'd pass out NDAs to everyone I encountered.... even the neighbors mutts. #AintNoWay
Chasing don't work anymore, sorry ladies we're chasing money not you anymore. To many of us going to jail to many of us getting our reputation ruined. You ladies are a liability.
And getting married to most of them is adding even more liability on top of that.. literally crippling yourself... choosing the right woman these days is getting harder and harder.. you can't help but have to make a choice between taking that chance that you might be taking on some liability or opting for self-preservation
@@ADifferentPerspective not in this video u not my guy. U acting real different. U still got some simp still in you I 👀. I'm still a fan of the channel and most of your videos but this ain't it lol
Communication is key to any relationship however, comprehension is just as important. So listen twice as much as you talk. So you get the understanding of what she/he wants out of a relationship with she/he.
Bs communication isn’t the key to a relationship. Accountability is the real key to a relationship. If there’s communication but not accountability then is pointless.
Communication is something ego and pride is another if she can't take responsibility she is not a Keeper you run away when you see her acting like that
Yeah , they are trying to change the original meaning of the words even though i heard him say a couple of times that women do this a lot and they need to stop it. They do the exact same thing in this video.
Chasing ain't the right word, chasing makes it sound like men are predators. Pursuing is probably a better way to describe it. Men have been told that we have "toxic masculinity" and that we should hit on women in public cause it's creepy and you can get thrown on to the "metoo" crowd. I know that some dudes are creeps, but most men have just decided it's not worth it
chasing is to follow somethign swiftly. pursuing is to follow something slowly and methodically, to hunt. prey is pursued first and eventually chased. using words like chased, or pursued, or stalked, they are inappropriate to the degree they are inaccurate. if a woman isn't running from something, she isn't being chased. and once you go into that metaphor, it becomes hyperbolic. i've been publicly accused of stalking a woman who cut me off in traffic because we were headed to the same mall/destination. at the mall she was following me and yelling and making a scene and i wasn't aware she was yelling at me since there was no reason. talking about women being chased instead of chaste, leads to neuroticism and anxiety and bad behavior. it is women's responsibility to make the first move and in other times, ignore them. if they make the first move and it is toxic, chide them, and then tell them to fuck off. do not indulge their vanity.
@@morthim Who hurt you? (I'm joking because of the wisdom you expressed). This is exactly it. In today's dating landscape, EVERYTHING old can be considered criminal. If you are interested in a woman and she's not, even if she doesn't express her disinterest in you, that's stalking. You lose your reputation and possibly your freedom. Juice....not worth squeezing.
There’s nothing wrong with the term “chasing”. You sound like you’ve been corrupted by the very liberalism that has these modern women calling us “stalkers” for doing what comes NATURAL to human beings. Especially men. Go ask your grandparents how they met. Go ask most couples who are from Boomer and Gen X how they met. I guarantee the guy chased the woman 95% of the time. And now they’re happily married. Enter 1990’s 3rd wave lunacy feminism and that’s when it all went to 💩. And you’re co-signing that 💩 with your comment. Nah, bro. Stop bowing down to liberals and their blatant FASCISM.
Off the rip she seemed clueless with regards to the responses she was getting. "I never said I wouldn't reciprocate." She says this as if the man was singling her out specifically. Reciprocity is very scarce these days. Wahmen expect to be catered to, but refuse to cater in kind.
Her response didnt even make sense to me given the specific verbiage she used. If someone is chasing u, by definition ur not reciprocating anything. Hence y they chase. Once u reciprocate mutual feelings then its not chasing anymore. U cant chase someone who "stops running" so to speak. If She wants a man to pursue her initially and then she reciprocate those feelings if its mutual, that i understand. But to chase a girl? No. That means either shes not interested or shes specifically playing games with u. In that case every man should move on.
Women spent so much time saying "no means no" but then they're upset that we won't pursue. Because the difference between flirting and a creep is how she views you. Because you can flirt with her but if she doesn't feel you at all she can view you as a creep for it and word can spread quick
The first 2 dudes are black pill doomers. Are there women who will call HR if a guy she deems as unattractive talks to her? Absolutely, but that just means we ain't interested either. The biggest takeaway here is this: Girls.. if a guy shows genuine interest in you you RECIPROCATE! Or let him know IMMEDIATELY that you are not interested. And be veeeery clear. "I am not interested." Not "Not today, maybe another time." Do not waste eachother's time. It is disrespectful.
She asked what the good men are doing. So in response to that I am saying, good men are being very cautious. They don't want to be taken advantage of. They see the men that modern women select, they observe what occurs in those situations, and some change based on what they see. They may see women getting with these guys who look good on paper, but when you delve deeper you find there is nothing there to be desired beyond the surface. Then, men learn they don't have to put that much effort in beyond the common denominator that women consistently desire and they operate that way. I'm just saying that if the status quo changes, many of us notice that we have to adapt. And let me just throw this in cause "good men" aren't trying to be deified or put on a pedestal at all. They just want to be noticed in the same respect as these other men that women aim for. But hey, we don't live in a perfect world. God bless and merry Christmas.
Wow I can't say that this was my favorite video by you . Simply by the fact that you seemed very dismissive of a lot of these guy's options and concerns . And I'm a female and I get were these men are coming from .
I met an attractive woman,in her head she thought her beauty was enough and she didn't have to bring nothing else to table I told her your beauty may attract a man, but it won't keep a man
What this young lady needs to know and understand, that there is not enough men on earth for women. If a woman ever says to me "I want you to chase me". I'd quickly realize I'm dealing with a child in a woman's body.
I agree with the first guy because, it's getting to that point where you try to get a girl or shooting your shot and get treated like shit, called a creep or sometimes they say they're getting harassed. That's why men are getting out of the Dateing market
Women are never clear and direct unless they like you from jump. Women love the advantage of keeping you in the dark about their intentions while you make yours known to them. It's another form of control.
The disconnect in this conversation is the men equating are “chasing” to not talking NO for an answer, being persistent, trying and trying again even if they get turnt down. This is the result of pursuing women who are NOT interested. What shawty is saying is “chasing” is being persistent and courting woman who actually have shown interest. The disconnect is pursuing women not interested. At the end of the day however, don’t worry about “chasing” women. Focus on leveling up. When you are the best version of yourself physically, financially, spiritually, you no longer have to chase, woman will instead chase you! When you stand out amongst your peers and it is undeniable you are the best option, woman know it and so do their competition. Trust
The problem with this mindset is, what constitutes the difference between "Not Interested" vs "Playing Hard to Get/Games". Women want to be chased, pursued, sought after, whatever people want to call it. However the problem with these games lie are in its extremely subtle complexity and nuances that vary from woman to woman and with over 4 billion females in the world, all with their own ideals and definitions for the differences between these two ideas, it becomes far too complicated for the average man to work through, especially without any form of established rules or defined communication practices. That's the reason why many more men each year are tapping out. The rules are constantly in flux, ever changing, always damning for those without full understanding of the guidelines that change from woman to woman, region to region, generation to generation. Men are, while intelligent, extremely pragmatic, straightforward and direct. The average man won't participate in an institution where the consequences can lead to extreme downfalls in their lives. Telling people to adapt to rules, ideas, social structures and regulations that are always changing without direct conformation, and today's society is the result. Everyone is confused, no one knows how to handle situations and its easier for the average man to simply avoid an intentional complex problem created by the other side. But I'm just one guy who observes and gauges the results so who knows if I'm right or wrong.
"How are we meeting women without pursuing them?" We're not.. we're practicing semen retention. Focusing on building our value which will attract females as a by-product. Gym, Finance, Spirit. You have to become a man for yourself before you can be a man for anyone else
I honestly agree with the 4th guys comment the most. The statement regarding "him (the man) being obsessed over you (the woman) will get (her) attention and a date" and get the man nothing. However, both parties get a benefit from the initial exchange (the "immediate clout") . Once the man has the woman's number, the woman is in waiting until he decides to reach out. The date is benecial for both parties as well. As for attractive women "shooting their shot" and getting a good responses from men, that can be said for attractive men and responses from women. Attractive privilegeseems to be a thing for men and women.
She didn't have to say "Maybe you're shooting out of your league" most women will attack you (subtly, intentionally, emotionally what have you) just to make a valid point! To that, further proves all those points as VALID!!
My issue with the idea that you will know is that most people don’t blatantly speak on how they feel they like to give passive subtle hints which can always be misinterpreted. Communication is a skill that is rarely taught but always needed
No the guy's right. It may not sound like harassment because its not but remember if a girl don't like you or find you attractive it will be considered harassment if you chase and could get worse if continues. It's only not harassment if she likes you.
Stop simping, start thinking. Why would I need to chase after you if my value far outstrips yours? When in certain cities like ATL, the female to male ratio is 17:1? Stop making excuses for women who use words like "obsessive". She made a "joke" but the best time to listen to people is when they are trying to be funny or when they are angry. Alot of folk are RP aware, not exactly RP.
Sooo what about the females who lead guys on to just keep them in reserve or for when shit happens who can I call? Cause to say a female is upfront about her intentions or what she wants is an enigma to even them so I don’t see how the logic of this video works out 🤷🏻♂️
If you’re not in a committed relationship with the woman then you’re allowing her to lead you on. That’s how the logic of this works 🤷🏽♂️ Accountability goes both ways
Lol ok white knight 🤣 I’ll let you define what a committed relationship looks like and I’ll sit back to laugh cause you act like what I just stated is an anomaly and rare that females now a days play that card
I just think it’s funny that you don’t discuss the road to committing is littered with hypergramy and manipulation till a female makes her decision to commit
@@ADifferentPerspective how can I know she wants to be in a committed relationship when she doesn't outright say it her leading me on means nothing . she can change her mind at anytime by that time I lost most of my investment and time
20:16 she's absolutely right it's not all women that behave these ways, but there's enough of a majority that by the time these women are ready to settle down and look for these good dudes alot of them have become jaded from being chewed up and spit out over and over again. Because there's alot of women out there that believe that "the chase" should never stop. That if he stops chasing them that he's not interested enough. I know y'all mean well, but there's definitely some perspectives and experiences that you're overlooking. We are all human though right.
28:15 there are plenty of men that will accept a woman below his standards long before a woman would. I know many men that are with someone that they don't find physically attractive at all, but have been rejected so many times by the ones that they've wanted that they settled for someone who would simply show affection. Because the simple fact of the matter is that today most men are so starved for affection that simply being nice to them is misconstrued as romantic interest. It's incredibly sad when you look at how little valued men are in society.
I think first dude was right though. If you pursue a woman and she doesn’t like you or see anything in you, it could change to harassment which could turn into assault and many women are like that. Us as men shall not chase, you’re the prize fellas. Put no woman above you except your daughter. Stay strong kings👑
It's clear she's misunderstanding the perception of the word chase. Typically when a woman says anything about "chase" she means persistent. As in, I shot you down, you never asked me out again. That's how the "chase" use to be back in the day. Doing that this day in age will get you either me tooed, or labeled as predatory. Nobody wants that classification, so why would I persist. Especially when the risk far exceeds the reward
Chasing has a negative connotation and makes Men appear desperate versus Pursue which has a more paced and mellow setting. Chasing is seen as immediatley putting all your cards and intent on the table which can be overwhelming or off-putting. Like one guy said: "Men have to consistently show intent before a Woman ever has to show interest". Pursuing is Men taking the time and making sure a woman shows interest before we commit or overstep. Woman are Notorious Bluffers, Cappers, Indecisive and Opportunists they will allow a man to invest in them while giving false or mixed signals. Not telling Men to be cheap or afraid to date but Women will use your resources if you allow them. This is why you take your time and learn Women because like the other guy said: "Women will show you more with their actions than their words". You're thinking you're on Date #3 but to her it's just Food w/a Friend.
Your answer at 9:00 to9:35 is not an answer to the question she asked? She asked you what are they doing if they aren't chasing/pursing women? The answer is exactly what the man said by the way. We continue working on polishing ourselves and watch the women and world around us. Time isn't a given for everyone. Some have to work hard just to get free time. We value the time and effort we put into ourselves and others. So the time we invested into someone else should be met with the same mentality, like she also said. but we both know that's not the case. Both of your arguments lose weight when you consider that most women haven't come out and said that they can understand or try to understand a man showing interest, while men watched in the news as we as a sex were being vilified.
In response to the first clip, I actually have experience. Took interest in a girl that worked at my place of employment, but for a different entity. She never really turned me down, there was never a "no" or "go away", it was always a "maybe" or some other answer of uncertainty. She ended up sending a message up her chain of command that came down my chain of command, and I was told to not contact her in any way, and that she was actually engaged, and keeping it on the DL to avoid drama because it was with one of her coworkers. To add a little back story, a former coworker of mine (creepy af) had actually stalked one of their employees (not her, but another female), but my employer didn't really do much at the time due to staffing issues, and it wasn't until the other entity threatened to go to the police, that they actually terminated him. Fast forward to my situation, based on that experience that had just happened a few months prior, the entity that employed them, approached my situation with a lot of energy, because my employer's prior failure to act appropriately, and the only thing that saved me was the fact that I had never been told "no". My employer of 3 years (I was 22), that I worked a lot of overtime for, that had staffing troubles, was ready to hang my a** out to dry to avoid pressure and bad blood from another entity, all because a woman who was too shy to give me a definitive answer didn't want me around. I would have had all my certifications suspended, and it could have greatly impacted my career. Now to clarify, my employer or one of my higher up managers at the time is the one who asked if I had ever been told "no", ultimately saving me, but my supervisor/manager that gave me the no contact instructions, told me that they were ready to "throw me off the train without stopping".
So I stopped the Video at 9:03 to comment this and will keep watching. But the way I see it, I don't think the men are saying they are stalking the women per say, but they just aren't actively pursuing/chasing and investing constant time and effort into women who aren't putting that same effort back. So my guess is they are trying to say, all the good men have pursued and chased but either got ghosted, not my type, or were perceived as clingy? I think they still are approaching women but they aren't being heavily invested with their time (pursuing/chasing) atleast that's my guess. But Let me keep watching 13:11 Preach, not enough active conversation about these matters, it's like everyone is afraid of being labelled or taking the risk and get shot down, when you can just let it be known what your intentions are and save both parties time. But then again as you said sometimes we got folks playing the field and leading folks on. But a closed mouth doesn't get fed. 14:29 yeah idk about that one some of these dudes need to keep some of them thoughts to themselves not a good look, they must be doing the most if they get those reactions. 18:17 yeahhhh dude was speaking facts I didn't see anything wrong with what he was saying 21:00 See that dude had a good head on his shoulder, Pressure can go both ways both parties can apply it. 23:15 To this man, I can only say this shoot your shot, but if they block it keep it pushing they aren't interested, but at the same time it's how you go about that process in the first place, alot of dudes don't have that suaveness to approach women everywhere and come off as a weirdo, it's all about how you approach.
That’s a really good guess and assumption. But we can only assume that that’s the case if they are not stating anywhere in their videos that they are actively approaching or pursuing women on any level.
@@ADifferentPerspective Very much so, some of them were being vague and I guess I just put my own thoughts behind some of it of where they were trying to go with it, to make it make sense to myself.
I’ve never been approached before like ever. My friends gotten approached before and I was right to them and guys would look at me but never said anything. I met my boyfriend on bumble and if I didn’t go on there to find someone then I’m pretty sure that I would stay single. It’s crazy bc I’m ok looking I’m not ugly so I never understood why no one has ever approached me.
It depends on the woman the level of chase you give ....my homie asked a waitress out 2 times at a restaurant we frequent....the 3rd visit in like a month the owner told him he was no longer allowed in the establishment. For harassing even tho he only had 2 encounters
I knew a guy who had dated a woman for a few months. Guess she got tired of him, and started cheating on him. He got fed up, and started talking to her roommate. About a month into that, he tried to call the roommate. The ex answered, and flipped out. She called the police on him, and he caught a harassment case out of it. WTF. I believe that these are the types of games that these guys are talking about.
My argument is this. And I’m talking from past experiences I had. In person many times I’ve simply smiled and said hello and got shot back a nasty look for being nice. Many times I spoke up and got ignored. Then I decided ok I’ll try online let’s see if there is a difference. Only I got dates setup. And then you have the woman being flirty, returning all your calls and texts, giving you little nicknames saying she enjoyed the get together and wants to meet again. Then when I finally push and say when are we going to make this official they run. Many say they just want friends. And I tell them the same thing. You don’t look for friends at a dating site that’s not the point. If I make my point clear I’m told I’m rushing. If I don’t say anything I’m told I’m not doing enough. It gets to a point where I’m like so which is it because I’m lost. I did everything and it’s either to much or too little. I’ve changed my approach many times. And I’m not even chasing. I’m simply having a conversation with them. Talking. Going places. Showing them who I am. I put the work in. It’s never reciprocated. That’s why about 2 weeks ago I simply gave up and said I’m focusing on myself dammit. Lol. If a woman talks to me or shows any signs of interest I’ll talk. If not I’m just going to keep being me. I get it that things may not happen as fast, but who’s in a rush? Not me. I can wait for the right one. 👍 I know it’s different for everyone. But this is the lane that works for me. To each their own!
Being about your purpose is also important so I'm sure you are doing the best for you in this moment. Dating especially, some women of today I hear can be difficult. And yes I agree don't go on a dating website for friends. Either your not ready which is always okay or don't mislead people and be dishonest with your intent. I sometimes think saying u want to be friends, women think that's being kind and a nice way to let others down but it's not. I'm firm in my belief of trying to be honest and respectful to people. And when we mess up, like we all do, be willing to accept that wrongdoing, own it, and apologize.
‘Chasing’ is exhausting, I am 0 and 28 so far. Rejection hurts, more so when you are just being yourself. I wonder if I am fucked up somehow, or just not desirable. I will say that I never got called a harasser, I got an ‘I am not interested’ or just ghosted. I understand the fear of being labeled as a creep or what not. I get she says ‘it is not all of us’ but how do I know? I carry a lot of the risk just making the approach.
Fellas are you over talking to women? Let’s have a discussion about it on Instagram live right now @artofkickz
Bro I thought you of all people would understand where these guys are coming from you sound super different now that she is next to you. And the guy with the blue ate everything on the plate bro we get labeled everything in the for the most Simplist things that's what's he is saying. It's the narrative being pushed against us as men. Dont act differently because she sitting there next to you
*in the book
I saw this video before i saw ur reaction to her tiktok
And the blue sweater guy is a 100% right women don't like being approached anywhere so there is no point. If there interested they need to apply pressure from now on. Us good men gave up and is on our purpose.
Do you mean over sharing? Men's problems to most women just sounds like weakness and complaining.
You two definitely missed the point that I thought was obvious since I am a heterosexual man at 1:30. Women who are "chased" or "pursued" by men who are not deemed attractive or are labeled as unattractive will be seen as creepy or harassing those women being "chased" or "pursued." It's like in a club when you approach a woman and she gives you a stank face. Meanwhile, a man who she finds cute can approach her in the same way and she smiles, feeling comfortable.
You literally put women in self-imposed danger if you are unattractive or have women feeling welcomed if you are attractive for the exact same actions. The ambiguity is in the perception.
No they got the point. His argument for that point was don’t chase, but pursue where their is reciprocity and her point was for a man to make it abundantly clear that he is interested where there is mutual interest being shown. The tricky part about what she is saying is that women aren’t always the most straightforward people to read. In my experience, for every 5 that you pursue, 1 will reciprocate the energy you are giving 🤷♂️
@@imeisang Where do you live? I gotta shift there. I've shamelessly approached over 80 girls and got zero positive responses! I took the traditional way, the pick-up artist tricks, the HowToBeast way and just being honest and upfront. Nothing worked!
@@Farhan_049 first you have to look for a non verbal nod, then approach with confidence and be yourself. Tell her she looks beautiful and you would love the chance to get to know her. Ask for her number, if she is interested she'll give it.
If she has given you no nods or signals of interest at all, simply walk up and say "hi I just wanted to come and tell you that you are absolutely beautiful and I hope you have a great day/night" then thank her for her time and proceeded to walk away, if she is interested she will stop you.
@@str8goodz Okay, I think I did try the 2nd half of that.🤔 Now I gotta try the "nod of affirmation" technique! Thanks for the tip.👍🏻 Much appreciated.
@@Farhan_049 hope it's helpful for you. I've always had great success with them both.
I'm surprised he couldn't understand what the first guy was trying to say. Many women today view any flirting, approaches, etc, from men they aren't attracted to as harrassment...harassment... could lead to these women telling teachers, bosses, even police which could lead to repercussions if men "chase" the wrong woman. So many men are choosing not to take the chance because rejection can have more severe consequences.
Yeah at first I thought he acting a little brand new now that he has her there next to him. These are concepts I have heard discussed here but I'll shoot him some bail because first I always thought her video was more on the comedic side, so I thought it was funny more than understanding her point and she seems nice enough too. No need to bring her on and bark on her or interrogate. But I didn't like when he started calling the men on the stalker side. Like bro you doing what they talking about. That's the fear they are talking about being labeled and you're labeling (semi because he said "kinda") them and they just responding to her video. Just Saying it out loud and they sound stalkerish or rapist to you. Smh
I also felt that his entire energy changed with her in the conversation. BUT he did say that he used to be a SIMP so maybe there is still a bit left in his system. 🤷🏾♂️
I really hope he doesn't end up like those two face individuals that say something to please their audience and then turns around and says something completely different to another democratic. Roma Army for example is a chameleon and he already promoted her content on his channel,i hope I'm wrong but it wouldn't surprise me.
@@kennethcole8360 exactly. He's giving me so much simp energy right here. Maybe he thinks he has a shot with her and doesn't want to fuck it up lol
There is without a doubt and this video proves your comment to be factual.
The guy in the first video was simply saying a lot of women will say they want a man to chase them and be persistent; but will then turn around and claim that a man is harassing them or take it even further. The difference between harassment and persistence for a lot of women, when it comes to dating, is simply how attracted she is to that man. There was no need to use s.i.g.n. language with dude.
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Exactly
Exactly, idk how they missed that completely.
Then she jokes about him hiding in bushes before… well that’s REAL OBSESSION. And my boy dumping for shorty… he do that from time to time.
I'm in agreement here💯. I've tried the pursue and quickly like he said this day n age is different. Now I get being creepy or weird. So I stopped pursuing. Hell complimenting a woman gets you no where but a negative push back from such said woman or women. Not everyone is anyone's flavor I understand that. But don't give a man a negative label for atleast trying. Be thankful a man even gave you the attention and move on. Now not all women are like this. But honestly it's a crap shoot. But when you get that negative feedback, you stop. As men we are human as well. We would like to be pursued too.
The terms 'obsessed' and 'obsessive' are very strong, and can easily be misconstrued. Asking 'where are all the obsessed men?' implies you actually want obsession. Instead, just ask for old-school romance. Flowers, walks in the park, dinners. Avoid terminology that leads people to think about stalkers and creepers.
Thats the intellectual dishonesty part they use
^This man knows.
Perfect👏🏾👏🏾
Yeah obsession isn’t a good thing in the dictionary 😂
Yeah, the word obsessed is the key. It's a negative word
1) Women want the 'right' man to pursue them. Any other man is a 'creep' if they pursue them. On top of that, women like to play mind games with the men who pursue them. In conjunction with that, relationships take effort. Both have to be committed to making it work. At this point, today's women just want men to pursue them and are not willing to make the effort to be committed to one man.
2) It is exhausting to play the 'numbers' game of pursing one, get turned down or rejected and move on to the next and repeat. After awhile, a guy will figure out that his time is better served pursing other things instead of women.
3) As a guy, there are other ways to take care of business as a substitute to female companionship.
I never understood my gender. The mind games, they play them with each other, even their best friends! It's about as creepy as the creepiest creep out there sometimes. A woman that thinks playing mind games with a man is the way to work the relationship, she don't deserve the man. Things like that are why I get along with men better than women. I've had to explain to some that I'm not interested in more than friendship before, but I do it as soon as they make a move that obviously means that, and I do my best to not "lead them along" as so many women do.
Let's be 100% you don't need to chase or pursue. The best way to meet a woman is during the pursuit of yourself. Find woman in your every day life that share the same passions and interest as yourself. I met my wife through a common interest. We interacted through our common interest and it led to an romantic relationship. The " chase " did not happen. The chemistry was apparent and we both rolled with it.
@@AidylasiaFirestar Yeah, I've seen some of the games that some ladies would play upon themselves. I swear, some women who are 'BFF' act like mortal enemies! They are mean to each other!
I was good friend with a guy, show was sleeping with a married woman. Both were in mid 20. He was a decent looking guy, she was gorgeous. Her husband chased her, he is a very strong and masculine guy and he pretty much forced her to marry even though she didn't like him that much. And what he got - a cheating wife. If a woman rejects you just move on the next one. I have and same girls were chasing me.
@@AidylasiaFirestar I told my cousin that. She think just because she is a girl she will get alone with all of them and I did my best but she just would not listen. Now she is crying because her so called best friend took her boyfriend and now they hate each other. If people was just Honest and just tell the truth and stop lying to one another this society no this World world would be such a beautiful and wonderful place back to how it used to be but I guess they can't help but be dirty.
All of a sudden "iTs a jOkE" when she's called out. No. I don't believe her. She's trying to preserve her public image. That's all. She's far too expressive, which is a sign she's trying to cover or hide something.
She is all cap.
facts it comes off wayy too disingenuous to me..like i said before extra women do extra shit! an girls doing extra shit should not be trusted.
Yall seem hella jaded...
Like I get if you don't believe her, but I'd sure hate to be labeled a liar because of how expressive I am. Tf?
@@darkswimmi Pick up a psychology book and you'll see what I mean. Specifically body language.
@@smithsmith1956 exactly homie is lost..body language don’t lie..remember buddy watch what they do, not what they say…it’s studies an books on this stuff. shit! ive read books released by a ex FBI/CIA agents.. 1 off top of my head is joe navarro [what every body is saying ] that taught me certain tells an movements ppl do when they lying uncomfortable etc..it’s basically an Ex-Agents guide to speed reading people..you don’t believe me good you should question take a look at the shit for yourself.
I will never chase a woman. If I ever feel like she’s playing that “chase me” game then ✌🏾 on to the next one… there’s way too many women in the world to be fixated on someone who gives mixed signals. My time is valuable. Let me know where I stand and let’s be grown about it. Until then I’ll focus on my career, improving my mental health, and building my body.
*Always* give back 90% or less.
It's crazy there are more women than men on this planet but the amount of options women have you would think we out number them by 50x
@@rodplays3726 thats because the guys they want is part of the 10% of men
Straight Facts! 💥💢💯
I’m a female and I agree with this wholeheartedly.
Case and point, the first 2 brothers showed concern about being labeled a stalker and you join her in shaming them. At 21:20 , when the roll reversal was mentioned, when she voiced the very same concern about being labeled a stalker that they did, you fell silent. Who didn't you press her like you did them?
Gotta stand on ya word bruh. If showing concern means you was probably doing something wrong, then it should mean the same when she says it. Facts are facts.
He simping.
@@snewry I wouldn't throw him in that pile, but I'd definitely like to see her come back and address this hypocrisy.
You can tell she was joking about being labeled as a stalker she's referring to the other men that talked about being labeled as a stalker 😐
He completely lost frame because a beautiful woman was next to him
@@ThomasTheTankEngine22 Dead ass & it’s embarrassing asf
You just can’t ask women for dating advice, they think they know what they want but they don’t. They describe the guy they have in the “friend zone” when they say what they want in a guy, and STILL WON’T give that friend-zone guy a chance.
facts when you ask a bunch of women what they want in a man most of them describe the same kinda dude. But that's not the dude they choose to be with.
Women don't know what they want but men do? smdh the Idiocy of men. I see you've been friend-zoned and now your ass is salty. lol
@@SuperTruthful None of us know what we want lol. But I know what we need. To go back to Monke.
@@SuperTruthful And that’s where ur right and wrong cause like the men in my family say. “U gotta lose in order to win”. Learn from ur mistakes. We all been friend zone at one point in our lives. It’s learning how not to be or don’t fool with women that wanna put u in it cause there’s no value in it, and while she’s crying on ur shoulder about her hurt she’s getting her cheeks clapped by the same person they claim brought the problem. Just a question what’s wrong with the guy who showed concern and won’t isn’t the woman letting him clap those cheeks. I already know I’m just asking u.
@@greedavarise7359 WHAT AM I GOING TO SAY. TELL ME CUZ NOW I DON'T NEED TO COMMENT. I'LL BE WAITING.
8:28 the lady asks, "if the good guys aren't chasing anymore how are they meeting women?" You can meet people without pursuing them. What the gentleman in the video means is we're no longer going out of our way to prove our worth to someone who doesn't even know their own. At least that's what I think that he means. We're tired of going out of our way to show we care only to be passed over for some toxic asshole while being friendzoned.
Yeah. So like taking women on coffee dates and more small steps of getting to know you interactions right? So no one's time is really wasted in the beginning.
@@ajc1233 but it ends up being a waste of time
Right. Correct.
She answered everything like a person who doesn't get rejected. The other side is that women shoot their shot and can walk away without an issue. Men shoot their shot then women will go talk trash about you to friends or the internet. In the same way she cant define what is chasing, it's the same maze/ minefield a guy has to navigate in order to try to find the defined path or what is showing interest or chasing.
They just like attention
Well I will agree that most Women can go up and get a Man its really because most Men dont get aporch so if a good looking women walk up to a good Man he most likely not going to turn her down but same can be said for a women. If a ugly walk up to a Good looking Man most likely she not going to get that Man. But that's how Nature is but its really not Men fault for wanting a good and pretty Women God made them to mostly be Beautiful while he made Men to be Strong. Its just about who you meet.
She DID mention her being biased, so yeah. And just cuz they don't get laughed at (as much?), it hurts to be rejected for them, too.
Welp in order to make a man WANT to even THINK about pursuing a woman said woman must at least show a LIL clue that she’s interested.. AND then again if it’s NOT the one specific type she looking for it gets ugly when she’s approached.. so we NEED a LIL clue if u feeling us.. can’t just sit there and have bunches of men all coming up to you tryin for the pick of the litter.. just show a lil LOVE
when I was single I met a guy in a club. I wasn't excessively drinking, keeping my head on straight, and bought him a bottle of water. he acted disappointed. then he got my number. I tried to get to know him. this was about a week. finally he busted out all this sexual nonsense. so case in point maybe be up front about what you want. don't text me good morning beautiful for a week straight only to end it with I just want some mad freaky sex. that's too much and makes us feel some way.
The problem is that men are tired of the indirectness, playing coy, and plausible deniability situations. No can mean no, yes, or no, but keep trying. There's literally a tweet of a woman saying how she's mad at a guy for not pursuing her anymore after she turned him down.
Thank you! This girl really was some plausible deniability as well as no accountability to the female counterparts who’ve ruined it for her whole point in the video.
Nigga wut? 👀😂😂
Girls have so many excuses.
“Chase me”
But if I’m not into you, it’s your fault for not figuring it out.
It’s your fault for aiming out of your League.
All I hear are women demanding, and men not receiving. So yall missing the point why men don’t bother with pursuing. It’s not worth it. All this wasted efforts and energy I couldn’t spent on myself or building my business. Y’all pursue for a change and see where that get you
Women: "All men do ."
Also women: "Well, I can't speak for all women because I don't do ."
AoK, bruh, I love you to death. Truly. Your point of view is almost always on point. BUT in this case, you're acting brand new. If a man obsesses over a woman and she's not with it, she can easily say he's harassing (or "stalking") her, which can get him killed. Wait, I misspoke. It can get him investigated by the police, which could very easily lead to his death ("Taser Taser taser" - dead). Remember the times we live in. Woman says it, it's gotta be true, take the man down. Don't get me wrong. Chillcoleworld is one fine ass chocolate sista and the fact that she's funny is a huge plus. BUT! She's oblivious to how women work nowadays. You text a woman every day, she thinks 'Got 'im!' when that's not actually the case. Modern women don't want a man who is available to them. They want a man who is NOT available, at least not easily or readily available. I mean, I'll send a morning text but it'll be a few hours before I respond to your response because I'm handling my business. Until you prove yourself worthy, you are not my priority.
I picked up on that too, Aok did seem different.
It's funny how some guys will change up their act just for some 🐱, after this video I'm starting to believe this guy is a joke, I was already on the fence about him since he's covered alot of videos with him agreeing with Roma army, when she's a chameleon, she wants to say that guys aren't piggy banks but then makes her living off of selling nudes via her patreon, I had to block her channel after getting blasted non stop with "hey sign up to my patreon for my adult content called Roma after hours"
she is aight at best don't get sauced up over a 7 on her very best day bro
@@jamesoaks1120 FUnny how she is all for waking men upon to women bs then she literally is doing the same things the women she speaks out against do to men foh roma we do not need a woman to speak up for us
@@vegastjg 7/8 is the sweet spot. 9/10 is WAY too much of a headache to be worth it.
I get the first dude to a degree. In the current "Me too movement", pursuit and "chasing" can be labeled as harassment. Cards on the table face up, no time for games.
ADP spoke on this before, now he changing his mind coz a woman is next to him and now he's acting.
@@sanimash8073 I thought the same thing
I'm very disappointed in you for this video. All of a sudden you don't know where these men are coming from when you out here telling the same thing in every other video. You capping like hell is this one bro. It looks like you wanted yo shoot your shot so you capping Hella hard. Keep it reel bro. Speak the same shit you been speaking that got you these subs.
Fact’s bro
OK first things first. She already put me off by saying that’s a joke. A deflection tactic that most women use to absolve themselves from accountability.
A perfect example- my mom (total disgusting narcissist and worst of women) sent me a text and laughing emojis saying to check out this show, which was total child abuse. I pointed out to her that I won’t give a view to it because I think it’s atrocious and don’t find abuse and traumatizing kids funny. Her reply ‘oh me too it’s not my thing.’ Right after she told me to go check out this ‘hilarious show’….😳😳😳😳🙄🙄🙄🙄
She wants a toxic man to chase her….that’s it. The dudes who stop chases went monk mode.
Or they figured out that once you become a man of value, the women chase you. Stay on your purpose and you become fall (the women fall like leaves simply because of who/what you are).
😆 monk mode...
😂😂😂
Crazy how the filter and lights and lack of her whole chest being out changes her perception.
Masterful observation!!
Whelp, exposing tits for attention is a prime tactic used by most women.
It was all a thirst trap.
Looks like a completely different female to me.
@@JustAFatherlyNerd now imagine this female without her current makeup on. They definitely shape shifting out here.
In response to the first clip, I can see where he is coming from. I have never been accused of assault but when you look at this system and the current social norms you can see how the thought of dealing with even the potential of being accused is enough to put men off. I tell my wife often enough that I am happy that I met/married her when I did because the dating world is a wreck
I have experience
"the good guys aren't chasing anymore"
"then what are you doing, how are you meeting females?"
females introduce themselves. no need to meet them. the gender roles reversed since childsupport has inverted which gender has more to lose from casual sexual encounters. men are now the selectors. it is strange since in most species the male has on the dazzling display of fitness, but in humans it is quite the opposite and it is getting more pronounced.
"where does the female come into play in this" she doesn't.
"how are you going to get female attention if you aren't pursuing" the kind of attention you get from pursuing and stalking women isn't the good kind. women will pursue you if you have enough status. more women have asked me to marry them, than i have even asked out.
some guys talk about pursueing a relationship, that is entirely different than pursuing a person. what you describe is rapport building, or testing the waters. it is fine as slang but leads to miscommunication if someone thinks you mean it in the 'normal' way.
"if she gives you the green light then you have to chase or pursue" if you 'chase' or 'pursue' you are presenting yourself as lower value than her. and if she wants you less, or thinks she wants you less, then she will be unfaithful. don't give bad advice.
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Nah bruh, I'm not chasing no woman after I've already told her I'm interested. Men don't have to keep proving that to her by chasing and over pursuing. A man that has a life and a purpose doesn't have that kind of time. She's a pretty woman but she sounds insecure. Men of value are chasing dreams not Women
The message she sent is for the men she want(that don't want her and show little to no interest in her after she gave up the goods). It doesn't apply to the countless men lusting after in the comments of that video and dms.
He is just saying that women want you to chase them, then they call you stalkers or harrassers
Her eyes and body language told a different story then it what was actually coming out of her mouth. The eyes don’t lie 👀.
The fourth brother in the video is spot on.
I like how she try to downplay her looks to seem innocent. She knew what she was doing in that video ......I'm sorry, but I'm not biting this innocent stuff!
If you go on social media for attention, you might not get what you want..
Don't bite the drama, bro ....
The first guy understood the concept. The “harassment” comes from the observation that in today’s world, it’s often portrayed that when men even approach women, it’s looked at or considered harassment by either herself or others.
Truth
Idk why Kicks switching up defending her and playing her side.
@@Nytellem Yeah, the energy was.. Different in this video. Even watching the first video, I wasn’t really enjoying it because the entire time, I felt that if it was any other girl he didn’t know, personally, his reaction would’ve been different.
I have personal experience
@@Nytellem because she’s on his platform and he’s catering to her opinion… in essence‘s he’s pulling a Steve Harvey
I'm sorry but I have learned NOT to take what women say TOO seriously since most don't know what they want and OR what they want literally changes by the hour, not to mention their personal bias.
Damn. It's crazy how dudes switch up when they get around a pretty woman. That first clip alone where you complete missed the obvious point. Obsession has direct correlation to harassment and other things. And you don't want ANYTHING close to that to be directed at you.
Good thing TH-cam disabled the dislike counter I guess
I thought the same thing lol ... A whole 180 lol
Facts.
90% of the time If you’re 6'something good looking , you can approach her , but if you are average guy , you can’t , that’s creepy
I respect him for pulling her somehow to his crib. That’s some boss shit. But you Simping my guy. You missed a good opportunity to actually let her know why men are triggered to the video and just had a discussion on that but instead kinda played her side and let her lie her way through the video.
Yeah he folded just for some 🐱
It's funny how some guys will change up their act just for some 🐱, after this video I'm starting to think this guy is a joke
Come on AOK you knew what all these guys meant. Taking a back at your point if view in this.
You've gotta understand the difference between pursuing and chasing. I define pursuing in the dating scene as going for someone showing mutual interest. To chase is to go after someone with no shown interest. I am done chasing, but I'll still pursue.
Well stated!
Agreed 💯👍🏾
Thanks 4 the explanation
There is no difference. The word pursue is defined as following or staying on a path. If there’s mutual interest, then there is no pursuing. This might be a shock, but when one mature adult meets another mature adult and they’re both interested there is a conversation, then an agreement.
Here’s an analogy: Say you are pursuing a deer for food. If the deer were to turn around and walk towards you as if it wanted to be eaten (mutual interest), then that is no longer pursuing. It’s a silent negotiation or agreement.
To further push my point across: The phrase “pursuing a career”. Why do you think the word pursue is used there? My answer: because a career does not have mutual interest in you. It doesn’t meet you halfway. Your pursuit is working to reach that career.
The problem here is using words and seemingly creating your own definitions as if dictionaries don’t exist
@@AntiSoraXVI Certainly! Pursue is literally in the definition of chase, as they are largely synonymous. I appreciate the analogy too, well said!
She still didn't get the point that was made...her explanations were off ...
Like the creep thing...he was saying women label unattractive men creeps when they approach them and then "exposes" them ...she took it the wrong place in her explanation
this right here... and i know for a fact that mans has stated this himself before. so it was kinda shocking when he was acting like the first reaction wasn't on point.
@@itZxShaDoeZ I peeped that to, seemed like he won’t keeping it 💯 like he usually does .. i think he just trying to get some 🐱 so I don’t blame him lol
Sorry I couldn't finish watching this video. I couldn't help but feel like your narrative has changed... Despite what you both are saying, I stand by logic and reasoning. Let's keep the same energy next time maybe?
I agree with you 💯% it's not automatic
What a lot of men are experiencing is dedicating their time , attention and affection to women who don’t reciprocate or drag them along . So after a couple of those you get tired of it and rather just give your attention to things that will actually pay off . Career, gym , hobbies
15:00 bro inappropriate is all a point of perspective. If a dude that a female finds attractive is doing something she can find it cute and endearing, but a dude that she doesn't find attractive is doing the exact same thing she can find it creepy and weird. Women don't want to be chased...they just want the attention of who THEY like and anyone else just isn't good enough.
But anyone else is good enough - FOR THE ONE-SIDED ATTENTION ONLY! She just wants to feel like she's the only woman in the world.
Guys when a woman wants you to shoot your shot YOU'LL KNOW 90% of the time (because you do have a percentage of women that are into playing mind games and act like they're not into you - stay away from those narcissists). When I met my husband... I gave him eyes so seductive that he darn near walked up and kiss me, I almost wanted him to as well.. but 9/10 it should be the women shooting their shot "in a subtle feminine way". Remember in those 80's movies when the women dropped their handkerchief? I have a theory that Cinderella made the first move by dropping her glass slipper 'intentionally' just to get the prince to find her and give it back so...
You might actually be right about Cinderella! 😂
@No. 1 Spidey-Fan Right!? I mean, didn't Ariel risked losing her voice forever to get an opportunity to be with the one she loved?
WOW! When she replied " maybe its because they chase woman out of their league", I groaned. Who decide that? I got a dad's bod but there is actually beautiful woman who actually like that! I know, my girlfriend is one of them! Its all subjective. It's NOT an excuse! But in the same time, I being laughed at by beautiful woman when I showed the slightest interest. Even when I was young and way better shape! Beautiful woman should be POLITE and RESPECTFUL every time we're having that conversation, asking if we have a shot. You can sigh, show some annoyance even (you could simply be having a bad day)... but don't start laughing, looking at us like we were cockroaches for just doing that the first step. Make that rejection as smooth as possible.
Easy way to escape a difficult conversation where she realizes she actually has nothing valuable to add.
Talking to my son.... he says he's afraid to hit on any woman because in 20 30 40 years she could put a false negative label on him just because he had once been interested in her. I get it. If I were a dude, I'd pass out NDAs to everyone I encountered.... even the neighbors mutts.
#AintNoWay
Chasing don't work anymore, sorry ladies we're chasing money not you anymore. To many of us going to jail to many of us getting our reputation ruined. You ladies are a liability.
Chasing the bag is only Chasing I do
And getting married to most of them is adding even more liability on top of that.. literally crippling yourself... choosing the right woman these days is getting harder and harder.. you can't help but have to make a choice between taking that chance that you might be taking on some liability or opting for self-preservation
@@ADifferentPerspective not in this video u not my guy. U acting real different. U still got some simp still in you I 👀. I'm still a fan of the channel and most of your videos but this ain't it lol
@@ADifferentPerspective Looking otherwise with that simp like energy in the video 😂
@@BmoreAce24 same
Communication is key to any relationship however, comprehension is just as important. So listen twice as much as you talk. So you get the understanding of what she/he wants out of a relationship with she/he.
Bs communication isn’t the key to a relationship. Accountability is the real key to a relationship. If there’s communication but not accountability then is pointless.
Communication is something ego and pride is another if she can't take responsibility she is not a Keeper you run away when you see her acting like that
@@SaSa-dk4yv Then everyone who put’s communication above accountability is not a keeper.
@@will1905 yes a woman can talk allot but when it comes to accountability that means more because it shows you are not all talk
@@will1905 bs communication is most surely more important than accountability. Can't hold yourself accountable if there isn't any communication first.
"The chase" can be misconstrued as harassment depending on if the woman is into you or not.
Yup, that's the difference between flirting and harrassment ( whether she is attracted to someone or not ).
Or her mood at that particular moment
That's the same woman!?! Boy filters are magically
Facts. Got her thinking she is a dime
fact i was like wth happen to the perky & firm spring break bitties she had sitting so pretty tf!?i feel bamboozled! no cap
Pursue and chasing are the same thing! When the police are on a pursuit, they're chasing someone.
Yeah , they are trying to change the original meaning of the words even though i heard him say a couple of times that women do this a lot and they need to stop it. They do the exact same thing in this video.
Chasing ain't the right word, chasing makes it sound like men are predators. Pursuing is probably a better way to describe it. Men have been told that we have "toxic masculinity" and that we should hit on women in public cause it's creepy and you can get thrown on to the "metoo" crowd. I know that some dudes are creeps, but most men have just decided it's not worth it
Chasing and pursuing are synonyms.
chasing is to follow somethign swiftly. pursuing is to follow something slowly and methodically, to hunt.
prey is pursued first and eventually chased.
using words like chased, or pursued, or stalked, they are inappropriate to the degree they are inaccurate.
if a woman isn't running from something, she isn't being chased. and once you go into that metaphor, it becomes hyperbolic.
i've been publicly accused of stalking a woman who cut me off in traffic because we were headed to the same mall/destination. at the mall she was following me and yelling and making a scene and i wasn't aware she was yelling at me since there was no reason.
talking about women being chased instead of chaste, leads to neuroticism and anxiety and bad behavior.
it is women's responsibility to make the first move and in other times, ignore them. if they make the first move and it is toxic, chide them, and then tell them to fuck off. do not indulge their vanity.
@@morthim Who hurt you? (I'm joking because of the wisdom you expressed). This is exactly it. In today's dating landscape, EVERYTHING old can be considered criminal. If you are interested in a woman and she's not, even if she doesn't express her disinterest in you, that's stalking. You lose your reputation and possibly your freedom. Juice....not worth squeezing.
@@morthim Actually the meaning of what people mean when they trying to get a mate is getting a good thing or holla at them or Aproch
There’s nothing wrong with the term “chasing”. You sound like you’ve been corrupted by the very liberalism that has these modern women calling us “stalkers” for doing what comes NATURAL to human beings. Especially men.
Go ask your grandparents how they met. Go ask most couples who are from Boomer and Gen X how they met. I guarantee the guy chased the woman 95% of the time. And now they’re happily married.
Enter 1990’s 3rd wave lunacy feminism and that’s when it all went to 💩. And you’re co-signing that 💩 with your comment. Nah, bro. Stop bowing down to liberals and their blatant FASCISM.
Off the rip she seemed clueless with regards to the responses she was getting. "I never said I wouldn't reciprocate." She says this as if the man was singling her out specifically. Reciprocity is very scarce these days. Wahmen expect to be catered to, but refuse to cater in kind.
Her response didnt even make sense to me given the specific verbiage she used. If someone is chasing u, by definition ur not reciprocating anything. Hence y they chase. Once u reciprocate mutual feelings then its not chasing anymore. U cant chase someone who "stops running" so to speak. If She wants a man to pursue her initially and then she reciprocate those feelings if its mutual, that i understand. But to chase a girl? No. That means either shes not interested or shes specifically playing games with u. In that case every man should move on.
Women spent so much time saying "no means no" but then they're upset that we won't pursue. Because the difference between flirting and a creep is how she views you. Because you can flirt with her but if she doesn't feel you at all she can view you as a creep for it and word can spread quick
ALL she has to do is MAKE 1 accusation out of any kind of frustration!
The first 2 dudes are black pill doomers. Are there women who will call HR if a guy she deems as unattractive talks to her? Absolutely, but that just means we ain't interested either.
The biggest takeaway here is this: Girls.. if a guy shows genuine interest in you you RECIPROCATE! Or let him know IMMEDIATELY that you are not interested. And be veeeery clear. "I am not interested." Not "Not today, maybe another time." Do not waste eachother's time. It is disrespectful.
I'm so disappointed in this video this guy is very dis genuine but I wish we could dislike things again
Showing interest goes both ways. I'm not showing interest in any woman that's not showing interest in me.
If you keep on texting or calling a girl when she doesn't want to. She will say it's harassing.
She asked what the good men are doing. So in response to that I am saying, good men are being very cautious. They don't want to be taken advantage of. They see the men that modern women select, they observe what occurs in those situations, and some change based on what they see. They may see women getting with these guys who look good on paper, but when you delve deeper you find there is nothing there to be desired beyond the surface. Then, men learn they don't have to put that much effort in beyond the common denominator that women consistently desire and they operate that way. I'm just saying that if the status quo changes, many of us notice that we have to adapt.
And let me just throw this in cause "good men" aren't trying to be deified or put on a pedestal at all. They just want to be noticed in the same respect as these other men that women aim for. But hey, we don't live in a perfect world. God bless and merry Christmas.
Wow I can't say that this was my favorite video by you . Simply by the fact that you seemed very dismissive of a lot of these guy's options and concerns . And I'm a female and I get were these men are coming from .
I am done chasing. I will chase my money instead. I will chase my dreams and goals.
I met an attractive woman,in her head she thought her beauty was enough and she didn't have to bring nothing else to table I told her your beauty may attract a man, but it won't keep a man
What this young lady needs to know and understand, that there is not enough men on earth for women. If a woman ever says to me "I want you to chase me". I'd quickly realize I'm dealing with a child in a woman's body.
I agree with the first guy because, it's getting to that point where you try to get a girl or shooting your shot and get treated like shit, called a creep or sometimes they say they're getting harassed. That's why men are getting out of the Dateing market
Wow. A different perspective turned into a complete panderer! .. and she literally said 4:58 "There is no truth to that.... , ok he's mostly right."
Women are never clear and direct unless they like you from jump. Women love the advantage of keeping you in the dark about their intentions while you make yours known to them. It's another form of control.
That's her?... can't really tell without the headlights. 🤣🤣
Lighting n filters help average chicks a ton.
The disconnect in this conversation is the men equating are “chasing” to not talking NO for an answer, being persistent, trying and trying again even if they get turnt down. This is the result of pursuing women who are NOT interested. What shawty is saying is “chasing” is being persistent and courting woman who actually have shown interest. The disconnect is pursuing women not interested.
At the end of the day however, don’t worry about “chasing” women. Focus on leveling up. When you are the best version of yourself physically, financially, spiritually, you no longer have to chase, woman will instead chase you! When you stand out amongst your peers and it is undeniable you are the best option, woman know it and so do their competition. Trust
The problem with this mindset is, what constitutes the difference between "Not Interested" vs "Playing Hard to Get/Games". Women want to be chased, pursued, sought after, whatever people want to call it. However the problem with these games lie are in its extremely subtle complexity and nuances that vary from woman to woman and with over 4 billion females in the world, all with their own ideals and definitions for the differences between these two ideas, it becomes far too complicated for the average man to work through, especially without any form of established rules or defined communication practices.
That's the reason why many more men each year are tapping out. The rules are constantly in flux, ever changing, always damning for those without full understanding of the guidelines that change from woman to woman, region to region, generation to generation. Men are, while intelligent, extremely pragmatic, straightforward and direct. The average man won't participate in an institution where the consequences can lead to extreme downfalls in their lives.
Telling people to adapt to rules, ideas, social structures and regulations that are always changing without direct conformation, and today's society is the result. Everyone is confused, no one knows how to handle situations and its easier for the average man to simply avoid an intentional complex problem created by the other side.
But I'm just one guy who observes and gauges the results so who knows if I'm right or wrong.
"How are we meeting women without pursuing them?" We're not.. we're practicing semen retention. Focusing on building our value which will attract females as a by-product. Gym, Finance, Spirit. You have to become a man for yourself before you can be a man for anyone else
I honestly agree with the 4th guys comment the most. The statement regarding "him (the man) being obsessed over you (the woman) will get (her) attention and a date" and get the man nothing. However, both parties get a benefit from the initial exchange (the "immediate clout") . Once the man has the woman's number, the woman is in waiting until he decides to reach out. The date is benecial for both parties as well.
As for attractive women "shooting their shot" and getting a good responses from men, that can be said for attractive men and responses from women. Attractive privilegeseems to be a thing for men and women.
She didn't have to say "Maybe you're shooting out of your league" most women will attack you (subtly, intentionally, emotionally what have you) just to make a valid point! To that, further proves all those points as VALID!!
Speak your truth and just cause she a friend doesn't mean you should hold back. Com'on AOK.
My issue with the idea that you will know is that most people don’t blatantly speak on how they feel they like to give passive subtle hints which can always be misinterpreted. Communication is a skill that is rarely taught but always needed
Chase checks never chase a chick
she wants her roster to pursue her simultaneously. Thats whats really going on here....
No the guy's right. It may not sound like harassment because its not but remember if a girl don't like you or find you attractive it will be considered harassment if you chase and could get worse if continues. It's only not harassment if she likes you.
Stop simping, start thinking.
Why would I need to chase after you if my value far outstrips yours? When in certain cities like ATL, the female to male ratio is 17:1? Stop making excuses for women who use words like "obsessive". She made a "joke" but the best time to listen to people is when they are trying to be funny or when they are angry.
Alot of folk are RP aware, not exactly RP.
Those shark gums are crazy asf 😭😭🤦🏿♂️ but idgaf bout what she says nobody is chasing u shorty ong😭😴
Sooo what about the females who lead guys on to just keep them in reserve or for when shit happens who can I call? Cause to say a female is upfront about her intentions or what she wants is an enigma to even them so I don’t see how the logic of this video works out 🤷🏻♂️
Facts
If you’re not in a committed relationship with the woman then you’re allowing her to lead you on. That’s how the logic of this works 🤷🏽♂️ Accountability goes both ways
Lol ok white knight 🤣 I’ll let you define what a committed relationship looks like and I’ll sit back to laugh cause you act like what I just stated is an anomaly and rare that females now a days play that card
I just think it’s funny that you don’t discuss the road to committing is littered with hypergramy and manipulation till a female makes her decision to commit
@@ADifferentPerspective how can I know she wants to be in a committed relationship when she doesn't outright say it her leading me on means nothing . she can change her mind at anytime by that time I lost most of my investment and time
The energy on this video is off.
Facts
It's over 9000
20:16 she's absolutely right it's not all women that behave these ways, but there's enough of a majority that by the time these women are ready to settle down and look for these good dudes alot of them have become jaded from being chewed up and spit out over and over again. Because there's alot of women out there that believe that "the chase" should never stop. That if he stops chasing them that he's not interested enough. I know y'all mean well, but there's definitely some perspectives and experiences that you're overlooking. We are all human though right.
28:15 there are plenty of men that will accept a woman below his standards long before a woman would. I know many men that are with someone that they don't find physically attractive at all, but have been rejected so many times by the ones that they've wanted that they settled for someone who would simply show affection. Because the simple fact of the matter is that today most men are so starved for affection that simply being nice to them is misconstrued as romantic interest. It's incredibly sad when you look at how little valued men are in society.
Lol... Lil baby look different as hell when the light is low.
facts i was flabbergasted by how different shawty look.
She capping!! So we won't believe her. Coo you got her on to respond but she's trying to preserve her image.
Happy holidays everyone
I hope you have a wonderful holiday as well!
I think first dude was right though. If you pursue a woman and she doesn’t like you or see anything in you, it could change to harassment which could turn into assault and many women are like that. Us as men shall not chase, you’re the prize fellas. Put no woman above you except your daughter. Stay strong kings👑
It's clear she's misunderstanding the perception of the word chase. Typically when a woman says anything about "chase" she means persistent. As in, I shot you down, you never asked me out again. That's how the "chase" use to be back in the day. Doing that this day in age will get you either me tooed, or labeled as predatory. Nobody wants that classification, so why would I persist. Especially when the risk far exceeds the reward
I'm good bro. My chasing days are done. I'm focused on me at this point....so yeah, i'm good
When you pursue someone who doesn't want to be pursued that's harassment
She looks like two different people, the power of make up is crazy
Chasing has a negative connotation and makes Men appear desperate versus Pursue which has a more paced and mellow setting. Chasing is seen as immediatley putting all your cards and intent on the table which can be overwhelming or off-putting. Like one guy said: "Men have to consistently show intent before a Woman ever has to show interest". Pursuing is Men taking the time and making sure a woman shows interest before we commit or overstep. Woman are Notorious Bluffers, Cappers, Indecisive and Opportunists they will allow a man to invest in them while giving false or mixed signals. Not telling Men to be cheap or afraid to date but Women will use your resources if you allow them. This is why you take your time and learn Women because like the other guy said: "Women will show you more with their actions than their words". You're thinking you're on Date #3 but to her it's just Food w/a Friend.
she has selective hearing
You ain’t keeping the same energy you represent. This is one of those chicks you always react to but Yeen saying the same points but I get it
Your answer at 9:00 to9:35 is not an answer to the question she asked? She asked you what are they doing if they aren't chasing/pursing women? The answer is exactly what the man said by the way. We continue working on polishing ourselves and watch the women and world around us. Time isn't a given for everyone. Some have to work hard just to get free time. We value the time and effort we put into ourselves and others. So the time we invested into someone else should be met with the same mentality, like she also said. but we both know that's not the case. Both of your arguments lose weight when you consider that most women haven't come out and said that they can understand or try to understand a man showing interest, while men watched in the news as we as a sex were being vilified.
The good Men with something to offer moved to the group that understand diamond's 💎 are rare and dirt is cheap ...
I've got in trouble for saying hello. It seems like looks vibes and poor judgment can cause issues.
In response to the first clip, I actually have experience. Took interest in a girl that worked at my place of employment, but for a different entity. She never really turned me down, there was never a "no" or "go away", it was always a "maybe" or some other answer of uncertainty. She ended up sending a message up her chain of command that came down my chain of command, and I was told to not contact her in any way, and that she was actually engaged, and keeping it on the DL to avoid drama because it was with one of her coworkers. To add a little back story, a former coworker of mine (creepy af) had actually stalked one of their employees (not her, but another female), but my employer didn't really do much at the time due to staffing issues, and it wasn't until the other entity threatened to go to the police, that they actually terminated him. Fast forward to my situation, based on that experience that had just happened a few months prior, the entity that employed them, approached my situation with a lot of energy, because my employer's prior failure to act appropriately, and the only thing that saved me was the fact that I had never been told "no". My employer of 3 years (I was 22), that I worked a lot of overtime for, that had staffing troubles, was ready to hang my a** out to dry to avoid pressure and bad blood from another entity, all because a woman who was too shy to give me a definitive answer didn't want me around. I would have had all my certifications suspended, and it could have greatly impacted my career. Now to clarify, my employer or one of my higher up managers at the time is the one who asked if I had ever been told "no", ultimately saving me, but my supervisor/manager that gave me the no contact instructions, told me that they were ready to "throw me off the train without stopping".
Never shit were you eat.
Ladies, grown single men are not looking for new friends in grown single women.
So I stopped the Video at 9:03 to comment this and will keep watching. But the way I see it, I don't think the men are saying they are stalking the women per say, but they just aren't actively pursuing/chasing and investing constant time and effort into women who aren't putting that same effort back. So my guess is they are trying to say, all the good men have pursued and chased but either got ghosted, not my type, or were perceived as clingy? I think they still are approaching women but they aren't being heavily invested with their time (pursuing/chasing) atleast that's my guess. But Let me keep watching
13:11 Preach, not enough active conversation about these matters, it's like everyone is afraid of being labelled or taking the risk and get shot down, when you can just let it be known what your intentions are and save both parties time. But then again as you said sometimes we got folks playing the field and leading folks on. But a closed mouth doesn't get fed. 14:29 yeah idk about that one some of these dudes need to keep some of them thoughts to themselves not a good look, they must be doing the most if they get those reactions.
18:17 yeahhhh dude was speaking facts I didn't see anything wrong with what he was saying 21:00 See that dude had a good head on his shoulder, Pressure can go both ways both parties can apply it.
23:15 To this man, I can only say this shoot your shot, but if they block it keep it pushing they aren't interested, but at the same time it's how you go about that process in the first place, alot of dudes don't have that suaveness to approach women everywhere and come off as a weirdo, it's all about how you approach.
That’s a really good guess and assumption. But we can only assume that that’s the case if they are not stating anywhere in their videos that they are actively approaching or pursuing women on any level.
@@ADifferentPerspective Very much so, some of them were being vague and I guess I just put my own thoughts behind some of it of where they were trying to go with it, to make it make sense to myself.
I’ve never been approached before like ever. My friends gotten approached before and I was right to them and guys would look at me but never said anything. I met my boyfriend on bumble and if I didn’t go on there to find someone then I’m pretty sure that I would stay single. It’s crazy bc I’m ok looking I’m not ugly so I never understood why no one has ever approached me.
It depends on the woman the level of chase you give ....my homie asked a waitress out 2 times at a restaurant we frequent....the 3rd visit in like a month the owner told him he was no longer allowed in the establishment. For harassing even tho he only had 2 encounters
And some of them would get angry for asking one time crazy
@@SaSa-dk4yv very true happens quite often
I knew a guy who had dated a woman for a few months. Guess she got tired of him, and started cheating on him. He got fed up, and started talking to her roommate. About a month into that, he tried to call the roommate. The ex answered, and flipped out. She called the police on him, and he caught a harassment case out of it. WTF. I believe that these are the types of games that these guys are talking about.
My argument is this. And I’m talking from past experiences I had. In person many times I’ve simply smiled and said hello and got shot back a nasty look for being nice. Many times I spoke up and got ignored. Then I decided ok I’ll try online let’s see if there is a difference. Only I got dates setup. And then you have the woman being flirty, returning all your calls and texts, giving you little nicknames saying she enjoyed the get together and wants to meet again. Then when I finally push and say when are we going to make this official they run. Many say they just want friends. And I tell them the same thing. You don’t look for friends at a dating site that’s not the point. If I make my point clear I’m told I’m rushing. If I don’t say anything I’m told I’m not doing enough. It gets to a point where I’m like so which is it because I’m lost. I did everything and it’s either to much or too little. I’ve changed my approach many times. And I’m not even chasing. I’m simply having a conversation with them. Talking. Going places. Showing them who I am. I put the work in. It’s never reciprocated. That’s why about 2 weeks ago I simply gave up and said I’m focusing on myself dammit. Lol. If a woman talks to me or shows any signs of interest I’ll talk. If not I’m just going to keep being me. I get it that things may not happen as fast, but who’s in a rush? Not me. I can wait for the right one. 👍 I know it’s different for everyone. But this is the lane that works for me. To each their own!
Being about your purpose is also important so I'm sure you are doing the best for you in this moment. Dating especially, some women of today I hear can be difficult. And yes I agree don't go on a dating website for friends. Either your not ready which is always okay or don't mislead people and be dishonest with your intent. I sometimes think saying u want to be friends, women think that's being kind and a nice way to let others down but it's not. I'm firm in my belief of trying to be honest and respectful to people. And when we mess up, like we all do, be willing to accept that wrongdoing, own it, and apologize.
‘Chasing’ is exhausting, I am 0 and 28 so far. Rejection hurts, more so when you are just being yourself. I wonder if I am fucked up somehow, or just not desirable.
I will say that I never got called a harasser, I got an ‘I am not interested’ or just ghosted. I understand the fear of being labeled as a creep or what not. I get she says ‘it is not all of us’ but how do I know? I carry a lot of the risk just making the approach.