+Maxi Moose As they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But with that low angle at 0:10, with those nice rims... looks like a stunner to me, i can't help it.
+Mike Miller It looks much better in dark color like here, than in bright ones like the one they tested at carbuyer. The one at carbuyer looked like Lexus LS460, boring. A bit strange considering this is the same car. Bigger rims also helps though.
I would go for an S-Class over this, too. BMW wins in sports sedans but Mercedes has the edge when it comes to sheer luxury. PS- nice Austin Powers reference about the headlights. ;)
+147NITRO What a contra/winner answer,dude........min 70% (or 99% of MB fanboys) of them will say,that RR is a independent from BMW and that they make their own cars with no influence of BMW....BUT???....Every engine,transmission (ZF,not BMW's but made for BMW) and electronics (i drive and rest) are from BMW,,Engine (heart of car) and transmission are most important part of every car,,,,,Not forget,that RR GHOST (basic and long version) and WRAITH are made on platform from 7 series F01....And from 2003 and first Phantom,all RR are made from BMW's control...Even before BMW bought RR,RR and Bentley used some engines from BMW,,,,,,,,,,No one can say that MB is bad cuz it's not,but also no one can say that MB is without competition in luxury segment.....that's the fact....
147NITRO That's the biggest problem,,,cuz MB enjoy in very old glory and fanboys don't see or don't want to see the facts....In 70s MB didn't have a real luxury competition or can I say,didn't have any competition....in 60s,70s MB was alone in their game,and then they made their "name" and glory(the best or nothing,haha,what a joke)....Even if they had a bad car in 70s,with no other car to competition,it's was good car...There was,Lincoln,Cadillac,RR and Bentley but RR and Bentley are not mas productions car,Lincoln and Cadillac are from US and there wasn't real competition from Germany or even Europe,like it is now...In late 50s and early 60s,BMW was at bankrupt,and even 20 years later BMW became a first competitor who could stand line to line with MB...With M division BMW set sports standards which MB's sports division (later AMG) has never reached.Yeah,AMG can make more powerful engine,with bigger ccm,but still can't make perfect balanced car with truly ENJOY IN DRIVING pleasure..
+Sandouras The MB is old hat. It runs an old platform & has non of the key features of the Seven. E.g Carbon core construction, heated centre console, heated arm rests, laser head lights. It runs the same suspension software as the RR! I could go on & on. Samuels statement is completely correct.
In my review on my chan.. I think I loved it more than he did. Agree on the spec notes. But no mention of the really loud road noise.....I was shocked.
Well done! You have missed or decided not to mention every significant key feature on the car as standard!!! What about the heated steering wheel? What about the heated centre consol? (MB does not have that) What about the heated arm rest on the doors? (MB does not have that) What about the surround view camera parking aid that you can view from everyside of the car? (MB does not have that). You took it on a bumpy road that you state you never use for car tests because it's too bad stating that it rides great but then you state that the MB has a better low speed ride?! How do you no that when you haven't driven it on that road?????? You took it on that road to test the automatic suspension that reads the road ahead & adjusts on the fly (Same as the RR) (MB does not have that). I could go on & on but I have decided the best thing to do is not watch anymore of your videos. If I could charge you for the 5mins of my life you wasted I would!
+RetroGamerVX the S class doesnt even have as half the tech the new 7 series has. merc needs to play catch up. the s looks like a normal diesel c class on the road. when u see a 7 in person its HUGE beast has way more presence and way more luxurious inside id take the 7 anyday
+Yung Dro More luxury?.haha. look a point of cheap in the back. a samsung tablet! yuck. unfortunately their gadget not made by BMW themselves. but samsung..korean gadget plastic crap.
+Hendra Di dude samsung is one of the top world technology in the world! bmw is fortunate to have a samsung tablet in their flagship model! i think it looks perfect! bmw and android fit perfectly together just like mercedes with apple.
I love this car, buy the camera shake makes it obvious that the ride quality's not quite there! As per usual with BMW though. The Merc E Class and S Class both ride better than the equivalent BM, and that's coming from a BMW fan!
+Vaibhav Chaudhary It's a fact. The quality, looks, space, comfort and drive are all better in the Beamer and Merc than in the Jag. Yeah, it may be an opinion but your opinion is of the minority
Mercedes makes great cars for sure, I just can't resolve the rear end squeezing to a low and narrow stance. I don't like it on the Rolls either...everything else on the Benz is pleading to the eye but for rear ends, I love my M4 and C4s.
His driving position (leg room and reclined seats) doesn't do justice for the leg room of the passenger. The leg room for the 2nd row seats always looks narrower than it should be, no matter what car he tested.
+J0lker probably you are right, but right now it's closer than ever and I think choosing it's all about personal preference. me personally I don't like merc's interior, I just can't stand it!
Why choose petrol engines? Simply because of the beautiful sound you get from a V8 which should be inherent to a superb car such as this one, besides the sportscar performance as long as you pick AWD and active anti-roll bars.
Depending on what you consider as luxury, this 7 could be even more luxurious than S-class. Or less. But as always the 7 is definitely a better car to drive. It's a BMW.
just saw it on person and it didnt give great impression the previous generation when it came out it was eye catching this one looks so near to the previous so that bad sign for new model the 5 series this time will be better
Here's a tip to all you internet fanboy trolls. If you want to sound like you can afford these cars try this: People with real money to buy these cars look for reasons to buy these cars and have more choices to buy. What we don't do is find reasons to hate more cars. We want to be interested in more cars for whatever reason so much that we are inundated with choices. Okay, my social work for the day is done.
I have the 2015 s400. It is a great car with superior performance. The main problem about it as I see is the maintenance, I think the S class is overpriced too
About time you guys raised your game a little and invested in a creative director or any director! To review a car of this type starting off in what looked like a fly tippers paradise gravel trap is a no no. Also Mr Knapman you need some wardrobe budget. You might be dressed well for a cheap pint at a dodgy local boozer but not for a car review of this ilk. The film had the look and feel of something Top Gear did in 1975. No style or class whatsoever. Sorry chaps.
Great tech for sure, but jesus fucking christ, why cant BMW make a 7 series that looks cool? Every since the one Bond drove, they've all looked like pigs. This one looks bloated, tacky and not as classy and refined as the S Class, despite its tech. And i'm a BMW fanatic.
I liked the F1 because it looks agressive but I agree none of the new ones look anywhere near as good as the classic ones especially not the E65 and this one.
Personally, I think the facelifted E65 looks quite good. This G11 ain't bad, either. Have it in M Sport trim like this one, it also looks quite good. Forget the F01......
Funny you should say that. Often times here in New York, the drivers I see are big whales of a men driving them in their corporate suits. It's a pretty huge turn off I gotta say 😂
Well, a bigger petrol engine won't sound like a tractor and a bigger diesel will sound less tractory and have better performance with minimal change in mpg.
+Yung Dro I don't get such comments. You seem to forget that the current S Class came out over 2 years ago. All BMW has managed to do in that time is gesture control and a large and laggy display key. They got an extra 2 years to beat the S Class and this is what they come up with. If anything it's BMW therefore playing catch up. Even after more than 2 years the S Class still reigns supreme even among the newly launched competitors.
+SDav21 yes gesture control and display key, but you forgot laser headlights, carbon core technology, remote parking, active grille aerodynamics, adaptive drive, lane keeping up to 200 kph (ie. autonomous driving) and far superior driving dynamics while still maintaining equal comfort.
+jamviator but not comfortable as the s class yet even on bumpy roads... And some of these functions are not even needed.. As you see if the car does everything to you its less engaging to drive.. Check comparisons where the s class wins hands down and coke talk here
S Class is better. The S Class can compete with a Rolls or a Bentley, this BMW can't. Though BMW owns Rolls Royce. I'd say S Class is more prestigious and executive. BMW is more a luxury family car.
... and S-class is still the King in this segment try to take off from the back seat of 7-series and get in at S-class i guarantee you will never get back to BMW limo more over gesture control is quite pointless - it is just for the show and for few quits out of your pocket
Pedro Santos it is actually G - car that shit BMW can never build! but any way Mercedes isn't a car for idiots. 40% of all automotive innovations come from Mercedes at least half of the extras build in this 7 series are Mercedes innovations so I can tell you just one - fuck off bitch ;)
+Pedro Santos why not check comparisons and stop calling people fan boys. It's proven that the s class is more comfortable and has better air suspension too. If you can't admit it well just call us fan boys it's the truth anyways
bmw m6 grand coupe used to be my dream car. not anymore. the 7 series is a much better car. plus it has more room. m6 grand coupe is just like the m5. nothing new. just more room. I rather spent a bit more and get the better package. I wonder how much this car actually cost in Germany?
even though I am a FANATIC MERCEDES FAN and I dont like the Beemer THIS IS AN OUTRAGEOUS LIMO.....stilll taking the S-class though PS. Why the hell should BMW make a screen key whatever it is called !!!??
Let's face it, when it comes to looks the Jag XJ still beats all of the German competition by a country mile, as well as being more fun to drive. It does lag behind a bit on technology, but so much of the equipment on this 7 series, for example, is gimmicky and unnecessary.
Look at all those buttons and gadgets ..... that aren't going to work in a few months time. *And just think, in a few years time, this 7-series is going to be worth less than your socks after a week of rambling in the Lake District.*
I think it looks gorgeous.
Definitely not what one would describe as 'gorgeous'
+Maxi Moose As they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But with that low angle at 0:10, with those nice rims... looks like a stunner to me, i can't help it.
+Mike Miller Ugly
Hey, to each their own :)
+Mike Miller It looks much better in dark color like here, than in bright ones like the one they tested at carbuyer. The one at carbuyer looked like Lexus LS460, boring. A bit strange considering this is the same car. Bigger rims also helps though.
sorry but bloody hell the audio was atrocious
That key is laggy as hell :D Nice idea though. Perhaps make it rather a app so you can use it with quad+ core phone.
+Pienimusta an idea nobody asked for. How secure is the connection between it and the car I wonder.
z00h Probably "as secure" as any "standard" electronic key on 99% of new cars ...none
it is a key not a smart phone
0:28 - I thought the only wheelbase available for 2016 was the long wheelbase version? Or maybe just in North America?
I would go for an S-Class over this, too. BMW wins in sports sedans but Mercedes has the edge when it comes to sheer luxury. PS- nice Austin Powers reference about the headlights. ;)
+Dan McCarthy Great comment
+Dan McCarthy mercedes has the edge in sheer luxury yeah... thats why BMW makes rolls royce and mercedes well no more maybach
+147NITRO What a contra/winner answer,dude........min 70% (or 99% of MB fanboys) of them will say,that RR is a independent from BMW and that they make their own cars with no influence of BMW....BUT???....Every engine,transmission (ZF,not BMW's but made for BMW) and electronics (i drive and rest) are from BMW,,Engine (heart of car) and transmission are most important part of every car,,,,,Not forget,that RR GHOST (basic and long version) and WRAITH are made on platform from 7 series F01....And from 2003 and first Phantom,all RR are made from BMW's control...Even before BMW bought RR,RR and Bentley used some engines from BMW,,,,,,,,,,No one can say that MB is bad cuz it's not,but also no one can say that MB is without competition in luxury segment.....that's the fact....
mercedes lost their vip luxury in 1970s
147NITRO That's the biggest problem,,,cuz MB enjoy in very old glory and fanboys don't see or don't want to see the facts....In 70s MB didn't have a real luxury competition or can I say,didn't have any competition....in 60s,70s MB was alone in their game,and then they made their "name" and glory(the best or nothing,haha,what a joke)....Even if they had a bad car in 70s,with no other car to competition,it's was good car...There was,Lincoln,Cadillac,RR and Bentley but RR and Bentley are not mas productions car,Lincoln and Cadillac are from US and there wasn't real competition from Germany or even Europe,like it is now...In late 50s and early 60s,BMW was at bankrupt,and even 20 years later BMW became a first competitor who could stand line to line with MB...With M division BMW set sports standards which MB's sports division (later AMG) has never reached.Yeah,AMG can make more powerful engine,with bigger ccm,but still can't make perfect balanced car with truly ENJOY IN DRIVING pleasure..
The only BMW I would ever consider buying. S class is king though but this combines sportiness and luxury seamlessly.
theres a sensor at the roof of the car almost directly above the gear selector that make the gestures easier to use and at more of a convenient reach
just bought this one and I love it. it s awesome
Definitely great car. In terms of driving engagement , technology or engines it beat all of its competitors.
+Samuel Bab So you've driven it and you speak from experience when you talk about its driving?
Yes I do, my personal real world experience.
+Sandouras The MB is old hat. It runs an old platform & has non of the key features of the Seven. E.g Carbon core construction, heated centre console, heated arm rests, laser head lights. It runs the same suspension software as the RR! I could go on & on. Samuels statement is completely correct.
+nswgb69 Thank you :-)
+nswgb69 The arm rests are heated in the S class, as well the stering wheel, get your facts right
Perfect time to buy one of these today.
I want to see the 760Li, already had a previous generation, can not wait for this
4:22 the volume gesture control is accidentally activated xD.
How far away do your fingers have to be to activate gesture control?
+R0Y4L KN1GHT i'll said just toy for a kids, 7 series owners may want their children happy with this feature. lol
Need to put the camera behind the driver so we can see the dash, but good review!
In my review on my chan.. I think I loved it more than he did. Agree on the spec notes. But no mention of the really loud road noise.....I was shocked.
Look at that fucking front end!! BEAST!!
I like the laser headlights.
What's happened to the sound?
Well that's one way of hiding the new 7-series' awkward trims, make it all black. Looks good like this imo.
Someone whacked the audio levels up way too high in editing
Well done! You have missed or decided not to mention every significant key feature on the car as standard!!! What about the heated steering wheel? What about the heated centre consol? (MB does not have that) What about the heated arm rest on the doors? (MB does not have that) What about the surround view camera parking aid that you can view from everyside of the car? (MB does not have that). You took it on a bumpy road that you state you never use for car tests because it's too bad stating that it rides great but then you state that the MB has a better low speed ride?! How do you no that when you haven't driven it on that road?????? You took it on that road to test the automatic suspension that reads the road ahead & adjusts on the fly (Same as the RR) (MB does not have that). I could go on & on but I have decided the best thing to do is not watch anymore of your videos. If I could charge you for the 5mins of my life you wasted I would!
What makes you think the previous 7 series wasn't "discreet"?
Unnecessary music at 2:21. I wanted to hear the vehicle take off, bro...
sound issues...
The car looks really wobbly when you are coming in and out of it.
My BMW is For Sale. The auction (on eBay) ends Friday, November 27, 2015 at 9:00 pm EST. Thank you.
Yes, I'd take the s class any day, this just doesn't look luxury, it doesn't have the commanding presence of the s class.
+RetroGamerVX the S class doesnt even have as half the tech the new 7 series has. merc needs to play catch up. the s looks like a normal diesel c class on the road. when u see a 7 in person its HUGE beast has way more presence and way more luxurious inside id take the 7 anyday
+Yung Dro More luxury?.haha. look a point of cheap in the back. a samsung tablet! yuck. unfortunately their gadget not made by BMW themselves. but samsung..korean gadget plastic crap.
+Hendra Di dude samsung is one of the top world technology in the world! bmw is fortunate to have a samsung tablet in their flagship model! i think it looks perfect! bmw and android fit perfectly together just like mercedes with apple.
1990Thunderbolt
bmw uses apple car play in the front too and uses samsung android in the rear best of both :)
Yung Dro bmw is more to android than apple tho.
Are we getting a new M5?
I love this car, buy the camera shake makes it obvious that the ride quality's not quite there! As per usual with BMW though. The Merc E Class and S Class both ride better than the equivalent BM, and that's coming from a BMW fan!
What about the Jag XJ?
That comes nowhere near to the BMW nor Mercedes
+Saf Hury Sure, that's just your opinion.
To each their own.
+Vaibhav Chaudhary It's a fact. The quality, looks, space, comfort and drive are all better in the Beamer and Merc than in the Jag. Yeah, it may be an opinion but your opinion is of the minority
Saf Hury So what? I like niche products that blend in, and don't.
Reiterate, to each their own.
Peace.
+Vaibhav Chaudhary 'To each their own.' Okay. I get it! 😄 But the fact of the matter is... The Jag sucks compared to the other two. Peace
wow so gorgeous an 38 to 60 miles per gallon = amazing.
FRIKIN' LAZER BEAM HEADLIGHTS!!!
I think it's just mind blowing
this car will be in my house's garage... ....... in 2026 lol
+bimosalexandres The price will drop like a brick by then.
+Dodo M will be 20 000 euros then too...
Serbischer Stolz Look at a 1994 7 series, see how much it is...
+Dodo M thats the point, i can only afford it when it becomes cheap..
bimosalexandres I get you, the answer was for Serbischer Stolz
Mercedes makes great cars for sure, I just can't resolve the rear end squeezing to a low and narrow stance. I don't like it on the Rolls either...everything else on the Benz is pleading to the eye but for rear ends, I love my M4 and C4s.
on that road that you don't really use, the camera shakes an awful lot
My dream car
"So whatever you do, don't lose it"
Whereas regularly, one would hurl around their car key like there is no tomorrow...
There is only one length wheel base.
Now let's wait for the A8
@ 4:28 ohhohohooooooo!!!! caught you Dr Evil reference there! "freakin' later beamz"
His driving position (leg room and reclined seats) doesn't do justice for the leg room of the passenger. The leg room for the 2nd row seats always looks narrower than it should be, no matter what car he tested.
finally bmw makes a 7 series that can beat the s class
+Andrei Arama I'm not so sure... S class still wins imho.
+J0lker probably you are right, but right now it's closer than ever and I think choosing it's all about personal preference. me personally I don't like merc's interior, I just can't stand it!
+youngprankster94 and where is this tech :) gesture control? It's a shit :)
***** Have you driven new S class? and not a standard S350 but something well-specced? I suppose you didn't since you write such BS.
The E38 generation 7 series was definitely better than the S Class at the time.
Didn't look at the comments below this don't want to spoil it for me.
I fucking love it.I would buy one of these second hand in the future.
Dear Santa....
Why choose petrol engines? Simply because of the beautiful sound you get from a V8 which should be inherent to a superb car such as this one, besides the sportscar performance as long as you pick AWD and active anti-roll bars.
Too bad they didn't show the 360 camera. It's awesome, the best there is in today's cars.
Amazing, no derper waffling about Cadillac in the comments.
Depending on what you consider as luxury, this 7 could be even more luxurious than S-class. Or less.
But as always the 7 is definitely a better car to drive. It's a BMW.
just saw it on person and it didnt give great impression the previous generation when it came out it was eye catching this one looks so near to the previous so that bad sign for new model the 5 series this time will be better
In my car I can change radio stations by rubbing my tummy whilst tapping my head.
It's deceptively 'understated' because it looks like a 3 series
0:44 Rebecca will like that!
i want 1 pls
This is an iphone. The s class is a motorola flip hone.
Where is Rebecca? :(
Excellent used car option once heavily depreciated, who would buy a used 5 series when this offers so much.
cette voiture es trop balaise et je tien cela quasiment en coeur❤
Here's a tip to all you internet fanboy trolls. If you want to sound like you can afford these cars try this: People with real money to buy these cars look for reasons to buy these cars and have more choices to buy. What we don't do is find reasons to hate more cars. We want to be interested in more cars for whatever reason so much that we are inundated with choices. Okay, my social work for the day is done.
Máquinas europeas
Damn.. I could live in that car!!!
what a beautiful car
Your audio guy took a vacation uh...
no aux port
It seems like the 7 series became a car for the driver rather than a car for the rear passenger
It has always been like that
hmm..
+Jason Lee from your opinion : rear seat lounge is pointless
I have the 2015 s400. It is a great car with superior performance. The main problem about it as I see is the maintenance, I think the S class is overpriced too
About time you guys raised your game a little and invested in a creative director or any director! To review a car of this type starting off in what looked like a fly tippers paradise gravel trap is a no no. Also Mr Knapman you need some wardrobe budget. You might be dressed well for a cheap pint at a dodgy local boozer but not for a car review of this ilk. The film had the look and feel of something Top Gear did in 1975. No style or class whatsoever. Sorry chaps.
Great tech for sure, but jesus fucking christ, why cant BMW make a 7 series that looks cool? Every since the one Bond drove, they've all looked like pigs. This one looks bloated, tacky and not as classy and refined as the S Class, despite its tech. And i'm a BMW fanatic.
I liked the F1 because it looks agressive but I agree none of the new ones look anywhere near as good as the classic ones especially not the E65 and this one.
Personally, I think the facelifted E65 looks quite good. This G11 ain't bad, either. Have it in M Sport trim like this one, it also looks quite good. Forget the F01......
Funny you should say that. Often times here in New York, the drivers I see are big whales of a men driving them in their corporate suits. It's a pretty huge turn off I gotta say 😂
Wow....speechless.
I want one!!!
Forget that stretched E class. THIS is the ultimate limosine..... Except it's not, because that's the Audi A8!
nice
that key is 2 grand loll in cali
It's a monster . I like it. Shame it's not electric though.
Well, a bigger petrol engine won't sound like a tractor and a bigger diesel will sound less tractory and have better performance with minimal change in mpg.
if this guy reviewed an AUDI, I'd think he was Jason Statham (chubby version)
the S class doesnt even have as half the tech the new 7 series has. merc needs to play catch up
+Yung Dro Luxury car owner doesn't need stupid gimmick like a gesture control. just toy for a kid.
+Hendra Di hahah respect, mate.
+Yung Dro I don't get such comments. You seem to forget that the current S Class came out over 2 years ago. All BMW has managed to do in that time is gesture control and a large and laggy display key. They got an extra 2 years to beat the S Class and this is what they come up with. If anything it's BMW therefore playing catch up. Even after more than 2 years the S Class still reigns supreme even among the newly launched competitors.
+SDav21 yes gesture control and display key, but you forgot laser headlights, carbon core technology, remote parking, active grille aerodynamics, adaptive drive, lane keeping up to 200 kph (ie. autonomous driving) and far superior driving dynamics while still maintaining equal comfort.
+jamviator but not comfortable as the s class yet even on bumpy roads... And some of these functions are not even needed.. As you see if the car does everything to you its less engaging to drive.. Check comparisons where the s class wins hands down and coke talk here
So, you have to charge the key? That's weird.
its all with kidney grill if u make it smaller the whole thing looks cheaper
S Class is better. The S Class can compete with a Rolls or a Bentley, this BMW can't. Though BMW owns Rolls Royce. I'd say S Class is more prestigious and executive. BMW is more a luxury family car.
7 series was always better car in comparison with S class and this new model is no exception.
The rear looks like 2015 toyota camry
All bmws look like that from the rear
Rebecca should have done this review
I'd choose this over a S Class any day!!
Can't wait to buy this in 4 years at 1/4th the price
Freakin laser headlights.
They're ALL long wheelbase now..
... and S-class is still the King in this segment
try to take off from the back seat of 7-series and get in at S-class i guarantee you will never get back to BMW limo
more over gesture control is quite pointless - it is just for the show and for few quits out of your pocket
Pedro Santos it is actually G - car that shit BMW can never build! but any way Mercedes isn't a car for idiots.
40% of all automotive innovations come from Mercedes at least half of the extras build in this 7 series are Mercedes innovations so I can tell you just one - fuck off bitch ;)
benzfen keep making love to your mercedes stupid fanboy
+Pedro Santos why not check comparisons and stop calling people fan boys. It's proven that the s class is more comfortable and has better air suspension too. If you can't admit it well just call us fan boys it's the truth anyways
+Pedro Santos You got rekt son....
filip strand No i didnt... son.
The LAG on the key is atrocious! But it is what BMW intended it to be, so it can later "upgrade" to a better one, and the fools will be oh so happy.
whoa
a car to kill for
wow!!!
bmw m6 grand coupe used to be my dream car. not anymore. the 7 series is a much better car. plus it has more room. m6 grand coupe is just like the m5. nothing new. just more room. I rather spent a bit more and get the better package. I wonder how much this car actually cost in Germany?
even though I am a FANATIC MERCEDES FAN and I dont like the Beemer THIS IS AN OUTRAGEOUS LIMO.....stilll taking the S-class though
PS. Why the hell should BMW make a screen key whatever it is called !!!??
Let's face it, when it comes to looks the Jag XJ still beats all of the German competition by a country mile, as well as being more fun to drive. It does lag behind a bit on technology, but so much of the equipment on this 7 series, for example, is gimmicky and unnecessary.
A8 is the king
+Ninad Ganore Lmao. Good one.
Look at all those buttons and gadgets ..... that aren't going to work in a few months time. *And just think, in a few years time, this 7-series is going to be worth less than your socks after a week of rambling in the Lake District.*
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x1 no.1car
*Has to review a beautiful new clean car on video.
*Takes it to the dirtiest road he knows and parks it there.