Dr. Wally, you have a truly sublime tone and your melodies simply are peerless when compared to other saxophonists on the world wide web. Deeply appreciated.
@@drwallysax It was a sincere and merited encomium. At the moment I don't have a saxophone, I'm a guitar player, I had to discontinue the alto some years back owing to front teeth problems - now fixed, so I will buy an alto when I'm back in the UK. I'm currently in Bangkok watching and following your excellent style. I like your practical and academic approach to the instrument. Best wishes Philip
Stunning playing. Love your music. In the 70s from 10 to 18 years old I played mostly a Yamaha with a high F sharp key and the last year and a half, a Yamaha tenor with the high f sharp key. People said I had a good sound, and I recognized the bright sound of these machines. Life gets in the way and one moves on. 6 weeks ago at cousins house. She just started learning the saxophone at 55 years of age. She has a student alto Yamaha. I picked it up and (this being 43 years later) played it. Shocked I still had some ability and retained good sound. (wife shocked, you will start playing again....she is half German so one follows orders). Did my research and determined one will never go wrong buying a Yamaha. Loved the dark sound of the Student Jean Paul. Bought one and have been playing it for 4 weeks firming up my fundamentals. Having so much fun and love it. IF I get to the point where it starts limiting me I would get the 860. But that is a way off. I practice daily. You Sir, are partly responsible for keeping me on the straight and narrow. THANK YOU.
I have to agree, Derrick. I also purchased a Jean Paul AS-400 about 2 years ago as an "open box" for $400. I have been very pleased with the quality and sound. Since then, I found a screaming deal on a Yamaha yas-62s that I just couldn't pass up. But I still play my Jean Paul as much as the Yamaha. I tend to keep the JP on a stand with a synthetic reed, so all I have to do is pick it up and play. I usually keep the yas62 in the case, because I don't want it to get knocked over, accidentally. If I'm gonna seriously practice for 30 or more minutes, I pull out the Yamaha, but when I suddenly feel inspired to blurt out a tune while I'm cleaning house, the JP is my go to.
@@drwallysax I have had mine since January and I have played at least 5 hours a week on it since. It has held up wonderfully aside from a sticky G# and C keys. Love the content as well btw !
@@DerrickDes Keep me updated on the Jean Paul, I'd like to keep in touch with customers and see how you feel it holds up! (and thanks for the kind words) :)
When I was a "serious high-school level student," I played 6 hours a day. No joke. Three hours of rehearsals in school plus three hours practice at home. I think that's pretty much the only reason I can still play at a passable level now.
Been hesitant to recommend this as an option to my beginner students renting saxes. Yours is the second good review on TH-cam. Will at least suggest they take a look. Thanks for a well rounded and detailed review.
Thanks Don. And it's an interesting thought: Renting a Jupiter for a year would cost more (in my local area) after a year, than just buying the Jean Paul. Some of the rental saxes the big chains keep in their fleet are just abysmal.
I too got a Jean Paul AS 400 which arrive March 31 this year (21) and in the first six months have easily put on between 450-500 hours. Here’s my honest assessment: I love it! But to be honest, I have nothing else to compare. I started playing the sax (never even touched one before this and didn’t even know there were different kind of saxes out there). I took formal (classic) piano lessons as a child for about 7 years and haven’t played piano or guitar for years; more like decades. Sax woke up something in me which I’ve never experienced with piano and guitar…a passion, I guess. Thus, in the first 6 months I have easily played 20-30 hours per week and this still continues to be the case. So I have put a lot of hours on this instrument that would still be considered new. The issues I have had with it are really minor, but here they are: I’ve had a cork damper behind one of the keys come off. I stuck it back on a few times until I got out the contact cement and did it properly. It’s fixed now. Every few months the screw holding the octave mechanism on the neck backs out, I imagine due to vibration. The mechanism drops on one side and the key doesn’t seat properly over the hole. I now check it once in a while and retighten if necessary. A dab of loctite will fix this if it irritates me enough to get it out. The next issue is probably a combination of geographic and design. The cork which the mouthpiece slides onto has started to disintegrate at the far end: on the side closest to the octave mechanism. It doesn’t interfere with the mouthpiece because I don’t need it to go that far. What I noticed going on was because the mouthpiece is tight fitting, it compresses the cork (downward pressure) inside the mouthpiece. The portion of cork outside the mouthpiece ends up with unusual upward pressure on it (away from the neck). My guess is that this upward pressure has caused the contact cement to pull away. The geographic problem is this: The humidity where I live can be all over the place in the summer. From humid to dry. Cork grease doesn’t just lubricate, but it also conditions the cork. I haven’t been that diligent using it and only use it if I’m really having difficulty man handling the mouthpiece onto the neck. The portion of cork that is peeling feels dry and crumbly so I know I need to keep it conditioned during the dry times of the year. Replacing the cork isn’t really a big deal for me. I have lots of it which I use for other reasons and one day I’ll get around to replacing this. I think I’ll sand down the new cork so that the mouthpiece isn’t as tight. But on a side note, I bought a Jody Jazz custom dark mouthpiece and it apparently would even be a tighter fit than the mouthpiece that comes with the Jean Paul because the stock mouthpiece no longer fits unless I wrap a piece of paper around the cork first. My biggest complaint about my Jean-Paul is this: My little finger constantly jams under the roller when I need to slide between C# and B or Bb. Of course no problem when coming the opposite way. But a few songs I’m learning requires a back and forth movement and I’m unable to do it no matter what tricks I try. If I’m going to be picky, I notice the same thing when I have to quickly play a back and forth C/D# movement. No problem coming up from C, but the roller feels a little high when coming from D# to C, especially if I have to play the two notes quickly or have to play these two notes back and forth. BUT, to be fair to Jean Paul, I only paid 700 (Canadian) for my sax and I’m looking for key movement that comes with far more expensive saxes. I played around with the keys on a $4000.00 Selmer and couldn’t believe how effortless it was playing those keys. But I’m comparing apples to oranges. A $700.00 instrument to a 4000.00 one. At the same time I tried a student Yamaha version and I have to say I prefer the key action of my Jean Paul better. Overall I love my Jean Paul. The one question I have for you, Doc, is how do you find the key action between the AS-400 and the AS-860? Is there much of a difference? Down the road I would like to purchase a Tenor and the beast, Soprano and would seriously consider a Jean Paul professional. I play just for my own pleasure and don’t see myself jamming in a band anytime soon so a good quality instrument that doesn’t break the bank is okay for me. But the key action needs to be smooth. However the Cannonball keeps calling my way……..I love the sound that instrument produces. But I better start saving my pennies. Great job as always, Doc Wally. Love your videos and your humour always draws me back in to watch another video. Thanks for all that you are doing for the sax community.
Thanks for sharing your experience. That is an honest review. My experience is that I have had better bang for my buck buying good, well serviced second-hand models - Keilwerth EX90, Selmer SA80-II, than new saxes for similar money. So I'll keep shopping at my local store and buying second-hand, judiciously.
Dr. Wally..every time I see you I get happy, and float around the pad for a few days.... wish you the best. You're healing us all in many ways, and providing sanity.....love your tone, always reminds me of my idol, Paul Desmond. Great review.
This is the second (third?) video I’ve watched of yours, and I subscribed. I’m 42 years old and looking to learn the sax. This looks like the best sax to get, and you seem like the best guy to learn from via TH-cam video! 🍻
I got the JP400 silver, $600. 4 months ago when I joined Wally’s Army. I try to play at least an hour a day. It’s holding up very well and I love the sound. I’d highly recommend for any novice player.
Great review and utterly honest as it should be. You do have the integrity all reviewers should have. When I get back to playing I think, at this price point I'll give this sax brand serious consideration. Really enjoying your videos and your wit too.
Great review. Im am a retired band director and going on 25 years as a repair tech for my second career. I recently bought a Jean Paul student tenor and have logged many hours on it. I have been amazed at the playing quality. It is great as long as you don't look too close. Some pivot screws are not aligned correctly and one rib is not completely soldered to the body. I had the same issue on the neck to the point it had a negative effect on the sound but was easily corrected with a carbide burr on my Dremel tool. I enjoy your improv lessons also.
I’ve had the AS-400 for about two years, I’ve played it for about one year before I bought a Cannonball Alcazar (which I absolutely love). My 10-year-old boy took over the AS-400 and he had played it for about a year. We are both very happy with it. We both play about 1-2 hours every day. My kid has brought it to school and jazz camp this summer. I have absolutely no complaints. Durable and still plays nicely in tune. Do you think now after two years, this will be the time to upgrade to this one?
I have a JP AS-400. I purchased it in April of 2020 and tried to play it. I have years of experience on the Sax, but it was a few decades ago. I could not play the Middle D at all, just squeaks, and the the E was a little better. I watched tons of videos to try to resolve the problem to no avail, so I resigned myself the the belief that I could no longer play. Last month I hired an online instructor who diagnosed and fixed the problem in 5 minutes. As you know, the Octave key, the pad on the neck, is supposed to close when holding the thumb button and playing below A. I didn't remember that little tidbit, my instructor had me bend the little arm of the key and viola, I am playing the sax again. I guess the lesson there is stuff can happen during shipping, so if you have a problem upon delivery have it checked by a repair facility. Other than that the sound is very nice and the horn is of good quality. I do have a sticky G# key, but I am going to try some Key Leaves-devices that hold the key open when not playing. I have now been playing a month on the JP.
DIY sound management systems can do the job, and instructions are available on TH-cam. 10 years ago, I constructed several rock wool sound absorption boxes for my senior citizens apartment so I could learn trumpet without being evicted. I managed to contain fugitive sound emissions below 50 decibels from my front door and less to my neighbor's bedroom when I close the door to my bedroom thus putting two walls between us. Cost of materials was less than $100. Construction time was less than four hours with two saw horses, one circular saw, power drill, yard stick, carpenter's square, scissors, stapler.
Dr Wally, Thank you for your honest assessment of the horn. The reason that I don’t purchase a Saxophone, whether it’s an Alto or Tenor. Heaven forbid a Bari is the price. Very expensive to say the least. Now I will be interested in purchasing this instrument. Thank you. Oscar G. SAG-AFTRA, Equity and Jazz Musician.
My first impression is that it sounds better (more in tune and a bit brighter) than the Cooper-Zen you played a few days ago. But the Cooper-Zen looked nicer. I read a comment (which I cannot verify as true, but I will repeat it just in case someone had the same experience, although it is more likely a comment from a jealous competitor) that the Jean-Paul 400 saxes that were sent to people to review were specially checked and set up, but the "regular" horns were not as reliable. I recently bought a Chinese-Korean made (for a German company that checks and modifies the instruments before sale) "Karl-Glaser" curved soprano sax. I found a shop that carries them, so I could play test it before buying. The first horn I tested played well (in tune, good key action, good feel), but the bis key was sticking, so I tried a different horn (same model) and it was terribly out of tune! I went back to the first horn, cleaned the bis tone-hole and it worked fine. I payed 325 Euros and except for the rough edges on the neck/body connection, the not-so-good quality of the neck cork and the lousy positioning of the low Bb left hand pinky key (if my little finger were an inch and a half longer or I could spread my finger at a 90 degree angle it would be fine), So far (I've only the had the horn for1 1/2 months) I am very happy with it.
Hey Dr. Wally, can we get a tour of your studio? I need ideas about configuring a room as a practice space! A how-to with the things that you would consider necessary would be really nice!
Thank you so much for this insightful presentation. I already ordered one. Could you tell me which mouthpiece, reed brand and size you used for this video
I went from a Bundy tenor with all kinds of bumps bruises to a TS-400 Jean Paul and wow the difference. Probably more of a difference if I would have found Doc Wally earlier. I just started 2 years ago.
I have a YAS 280 which I bought in August 2019 so it's exactly 2 years old. I got mine for $1100 on Amazon but today the same model sells for $1340. So its pretty much the same price as the Jean Paul Pro. My Yamaha has a high F# key so it is "almost" a pro horn. It has given me zero issues since Day One except that some of the pads were just a little sticky for the first month but they seem to have sorted themselves out. I would like to know your honest unbiased opinion on which horn SOUNDS better? The Jean Paul or the Yamaha? My only criticism of the Yamaha is that it sound a little thin compared to a pro horn costing a few thousand more. Is the same true of the Jean Paul? Also which horn would you say has better ease of playability in terms of key action and also in terms of dynamic range? Thanks.
About 6 months ago, in another post, you said that you were working with Jean Paul and would have a big announcement soon. Is that announcement still forthcoming? If so, how long much longer?
Strong review. I like what this brand is doing and people seem to be having good experiences with their instruments. I already got a Yamaha YAS-280 as my beginner instrument, so until I´m closer to Kenny Garrett or Chris Potter´s level I couldn´t justify a new one ( I mean I couldn´t justify it to my wife :D). I´m hoping Jean Paul does release a straight soprano. I don´t like the look of curved sopranos but I could go with an affordable straight one eventually.
@@drwallysax they actually have a straight sop with similar price of this one. hope to see a review someday, maybe comparing with yss 475 and their current curved one.
I purchased the student model horn for my daughter to begin band. I have to say I have been extremely happy with how it’s help up for the most part. The only issue it’s had is, she managed to break the neck tightening screw. I just emailed JP about this issue, so hopefully they will send me a new screw. I got a deal on a vintage JK stencil by Martin that I purchased for her to move up to. She ended up going back to the JP. I can’t say I blame her, the JP horn plays so well. The vintage JK horn has rich sound that just sings, but the action has a not as good as the JP. I ended up keeping the JK as a backup to my Selmer BA. Jean Paul horns are an outstanding value.
Jason, that's GREAT to know. Being a saxophonist yourself, you have the unique perspective to see how it plays and how it holds up in beginning band class. Thanks for the perspective!
I have the soprano, alto, and tenor student models and have played them for several years and NEVER had any problem with the horns. Before I bought the JP Soprano, I had bought a straight soprano on amazon for $300 and it's garbage. The JP instruments (I have their clarinet as well and it's favorably compared to my Buffet E11 clarinet) feel great in the hands and the metal and keywork feels solid. They are not your typical 'Chinese knockoff disposable instrument shaped object' company.
I think you need to consider that since Jean Paul sent the horn to you for review, that they probably set this horn up meticulously so that it would play well right out of the box. I'm not saying that it's a bad instrument, but the average Joe is probably going to get a factory set up that will require some adjustments.
Certainly possible (and something I considered). This happens also at the manufacturing level. The factory will send a higher quality of product to the reseller in the testing phase, then over time quality control can begin to slip.
Cool vid Doc, I always enjoy these. A bit curious what the fix was for that sympathetic vibration, also what the warranty covers and how long it covers it.
Hey Edward! The quick fix is a bit of oil. The better fix would be replacing the pin. The warranty lasts a year and does cover that. You actually schedule a zoom call with their repair techs, then they either have you ship it to them or set up repair in your area I believe. Nice family.
Hey Wally, I have been wondering if JP was going to enter the pro level market. You answered my question. A few years ago a student showed up for lesson with a Jean Paul tenor. I was dubious at first...he paid under $900 for it. I sent him to my tech ti have it set up, and JP covered the expense under their warranty. My tech loved the horn. Now, 8 of my students blow JP altos and tenors and love them. I, like you, receive no commission. Great review!
That's great to hear, Dave! We (as saxophonists) need to come to terms with the manufacturing advances in Asia. I mean, the French make Peugeots after all ;)
Hi Dr. Wally, I love your honest reviews and they helped me to by good gear in the past, the key leafs or your 56 mouthpiece for example. I own a Thomann handmade tenor Sax and I love playing it from the first second. Can you do a review of it? I am curious what you would think of it 🙂
Excellent review, love the details, personality and very tasteful tone/skills. I wonder if you considered reviewing Buffet Crampon 400 series, I tried one and was very impressed. Thank you
Great review! I enjoy your videos and podcast. Do you have any updates on this? You said you were going to log a couple of hours per week on it for several months and give an update. TIA. Keep up the good work.
Yeah, the soft metal argument, I´m tired of that. But I get that about my Cannonball and my Mauriat. I have had the pivot screws replaced on the Mauriat, and some extra bracing. But the sound on these horns are great for my æsthetic.
We need some kind of metal-strength-o-meter to figure this stuff out. Like you, I'm getting tired of the anecdotal "my repair tech, who's a genius, said..."
Interesting that you mentioned 'rough edges'. The finish it seems could and should be improved, even at this price point. I had purchased the Jean Paul AS-400 two years ago , shipped to Australia. It had sharp protruding brass burrs inside both ends of the crook, and in the neck of the body. I had to get a round metal file to file those >1.5mm burrs as best as I could (its not soft metal). The crook still has sharp bits inside which I cannot reach as the cleaning cloth gets snagged every time. And the inside neck of the body is still very rough. I also find the balance is off and it could be a combination of the position of the two thumbs pads, neck strap hole and the rotational alignment of the crook (as compared to my mid-80's Yamaha YAS-62 in which the balance is perfect). Also one of the key arms had to be bent in order to fit, but that's okay as its not so easily noticed. However, it does play well as an adult returning-after-30years-amateur. Considering selling it to go back to trusty Yamaha, maybe a YAS-480.
I've heard, anecdotally about burrs in the body of the AS-400. I did not see any in the AS-860, but to my understanding it's made in a different factory on different equipment. I can't speak to the 400, but I will say the 860 plays VERY nicely compared to the YAS-840. Hard to beat Yamaha with consistency and longevity though! Have a great week!
Hey Dr W. you say in the vid that your goto entry-level pro horn is the Y62 but could you elucidate briefly on why you prefer that to the Yani (or other) equivalents ? Personal preference, sure, but is there anything that underlies it ?
Absolutely! I have played on VERY few Yanigasawas, largely because they're difficult to find in my neck of the woods. The Conn Selmer rep (who distributes them) is trying to help me get some to try, but there's no stock (and backorder and delays). So, part of my recommending Yamaha is the brand ubiquity. My students can (generally) find them in any region or a multitude of online retailers. Availability and consistency are big reasons I recommend the Yamaha 62. I absolutely HATE it when someone's recommendation is something you can't find!
I think countless people would have wanted to learn the saxophone and then been put off by the price (having no experience of musical instruments). Then they will most likely just buy a guitar. 20 years ago I considered buying a saxophone but the cheapest one I could see in the shop was a soprano that cost over 2k. I would love to see a saxophone renaissance.
I have some wierd alto, could never find it online, it has Vienna imprinted on the bell and case, the body is made from an abnormal material, I have no idea what it is. Not sure if you have seen or heard of these.
$1300, wow. I'd take that over renting a Jupiter any day! I imagine you have more than enough ideas for videos, but here's an issue that's been on my mind which I don't have any great answers for - how might someone get the practice they need when their noise is an issue? Whether it's a high schooler whose parents are going to pop if they hear another augmented triad or long tone, or whether it's someone living in an apartment, being considerate can be a major obstacle to practicing. Personally, DIY soundproofing is the first thing that pops into my head, but that's not always a useful solution. Mute bags might be an option, but I don't have any experience with them. In any case, students (or their families, at least) might really benefit from your wisdom regarding this.
DIY sound management systems can do the job, and instructions are available on TH-cam. 10 years ago, I constructed several rock wool sound absorption boxes for my senior citizens apartment so I could learn trumpet without being evicted. I managed to contain fugitive sound emissions below 50 decibels from my front door and less to my neighbor's bedroom when I close the door to my bedroom thus putting two walls between us. Cost of materials was less than $100. Construction time was less than four hours with two saw horses, one circular saw, power drill, yard stick, carpenter's square, scissors, stapler.
No idea about tenor. It's tough for me to compare it to anything else, nothing else comes close to the price! It plays quite a bit like a Yamaha 62iii, but (I can't believe I'm saying this): the Jean Paul was more fun to play. If it turns out to hold up ok, and be a decent build quality, I think it's truly a game changer.
I have a couple different cheap Chinese made saxes and do know a little metallurgy (not nearly as much as a materials engineer but I cross paths with a few in my day job). One is an Ammoon soprano, and the other is a Glory tenor. I also have my old Yamaha YAS-23 that I played when I was younger. I actually commented before about some trouble I was having with low notes on the Yamaha especially compared to the soprano, and am able to report that was nothing wrong with the horn, but after taking some lessons with a local teacher, determined to be breath support. My face muscles remember the correct embouchure, but need strengthening, but it was mainly diaphragm issues. Anyway, back to my experience with Chinese made saxes. The designs are solid, they're probably copying existing horns, and as far as getting the measurements down, they're fine. The holes are the right size and in the right places. The metals are fine. Nothing stands out as being too soft or anything. What does vary, and I suspect this is down to who built the individual horn, is final construction. If whoever built it really cares and was having a good day, it'll probably turn out to be a good saxophone. If they're just punching the clock, or having an off day, then... not so much. That's my experience with my two. The soprano is great. Plays easy, in tune, feels nice, and is holding up pretty well after about 18 months of casual playing. The tenor needed a little TLC right out of the box, springs were loose, a few parts had come off in shipping, etc. Got it put back together and it plays okay, but nothing special. I've been eyeing the Jean Paul tenor as an eventual upgrade.
Good to know, appreciate the perspective. Given that your knowledge, I think you would probably appreciate the 860. I was impressed (and I turned down the commission sales, so it's an honest opinion).
never dig to many chinese horns..i have several Martins,conn,and a really old buescher true tone...they sound incredible..the sound alone is much better in my opinion..and as far as ergonomics i'm ok with alle of them..
Dr Wally - Nice review of the Jean Paul and the Zen Cooper. When you do these reviews, do you always use the mouthpiece that comes with it or do you use one of your own?
Dr. Wally, in your opinion do you think that a significant percentage of the case movement can be corrected with one of those adjustable neck-plug vent caps?
@@drwallysax Well, that stinks! Hopefully they see your video soon and address this. The one complaint about my WoodStone is that the case (GL?), although very snug, doesn't hold anything besides the neck and mouthpiece.
@@drwallysax Alex Hahn has a case I am envious of. Alex Han has chops I am envious of. They are BOTH great players but if Hahn isn't careful I may just snag his case...HAHAHA
An interesting product for sure! Ever played a Mauriat, Doc? When it comes to getting a shiny new Horn here in Chile, the only pro brands I've seen in stores are Yamaha, Expensive Selmers and the Mauriats. No Cannonball, no Eastman, no Yanagisawa! I'm not looking to buy a pro saxophone at all, but I'm always interested in opinions.
Dr. Wallace. You mentioned you play this for a couple months and see if it was still good or if it fell apart. What are feelings about it now that you've had it for a few months?
Looks/sounds good, Doc! Could you look into reviewing a Phil Barone sax? They're right in that 2k price point you're interested in and they look really nice 😁
I'm not opposed to it. But there are a gazillion Taiwanese horns like the Phil Barone from the same factory, sent out to a gazillion different small companies. I'm fairly busy with teaching, so I end up reviewing the brands that take the initiative to contact me and set it up!
Would you recommend this or the BetterSax alto sax? I'm debating between the two or if i should just save myself the money and get the Jean Paul AS-400.
Thank You, Dr. Wally for that interesting and honest Review. Hmm, a Pro Horn for 1300 Dollars, that sounds really astonishing. It's about the prize level I paid for my Students Sax (YAS-280) a bit more than a Year ago, when I started practicing Saxophone. I would've been able to afford the 480 or even a freshly serviced 62, but I choosed the 280 cause I thought it's easier to start with an entry level Instrument. Of course my goal is to play Sax, but to do that I firstly need to LEARN Sax. I knew that I'm not a Pro just because I would own a Pro instrument. I wanted an instrument that makes it easy to learn - and a young race driver also don't starts directly in a F-1 car. ;) That's why I honestly can say: I'm not aiming to become a better Sax player by change ("Upgrade"?) my Instrument to this one. I'm really content with my instrument every time I practice (*). But if a Beginner asks You which Instrument You'd recommend, (this one or the classy Student's 280) which one You'd recommend? (* btw: to adapt Your Tongue Video in my practice helped me a lot! Didn't change my behavior much (that proofed me that I'm on a good way) but I spend more care about tongue movement now. THANKS again!)
The reality is student model instruments dont actually help you learn faster or anyrhing. Theyre made using cheaper and more affordable parts. They call it a student model to market it better. Student models are harder to tune, and play. Also harder to maintain. Learning on a professional would actually be a lot more helpful. Its just not smart because most beginners would prob break an expensive horn due to negligence. If you want to save money then ofc its the safer option
No, that's the 56 Select. I generally can't be bothered to play with the included mouthpieces. As I review pro horns, most students already have a mouthpiece when they upgrade. Life's too short to review plastic stock mouthpieces 😂
@@drwallysax thanks 1 more question . Between Jean Paul pro and cooper pro saxophone which you reviewed months back which is better... Thanks for reply Dr. Wally.. this is the best saxophone youtube channel..
@@drwallysax Which one would you prefer Buffet 100, Yamaha yas-26 or the John Paul? May you do a video comparing them 3 about the weakness and strength of each saxophone?
@@28_babysharkIt's not really possible for me to compare horns without having them all present - and I'm not a music store. The Jean Paul would be my choice, by far considering the price and features. Also, I've gotten to know Tim and the family that owns Jean Paul. I trust them to provide great customer service and support.
@@drwallysax I'm not worried about the prices between 3. I just didn't know if you had experience with the other two since you have years of experience playing the saxophone. I was purchasing my son's first Saxophone and need help to make a decision on which one to get.
Honestly, I'd get the Jean Paul. I've been playing it a few hours every week since this review video - it's just a great instrument. The ergonomics, intonation, and response are excellent. It's also just more fun to play (in my opinion) than the 52.
@@thomass7140 Ahh, well I can't be the one to initiate the melting. If it melted on its own? Find out in a couple of weeks when I do the 1 year follow up video!
'Dr.Wally takes swipe at Cannonball... manages to insult the Tiawanese AND the Mormans; Extolls Uigher craftmanship' (exerpted from Saxual Warriors bulletin)
My mouthpiece is my signature piece: The 56 Select! I use a Boston Sax Shop 3.5. In this video, the horn is obviously the Jean Paul, but my regular horn is a Conn 6M. Happy Wedensday!
I recently tried 2 different tenors from JP that were purchased through Amazon and both disappointed me beyond what I could have ever even imagine. Both were absolutely CRAP! The craftsmanship was the worst I have ever seen, on any instrument. There were deep scratches on some of the keys that were there before the plating was put on. One of the tenors had the 3 right hand side keys not even staight. The other tenor when you release the low C key would hit the key guard and make a loud clunk sound. Maybe the Amazon instruments are all lemons but there is no excuse for these kind of issues and lock of attention to detail. I ended finding a good deal on a new Yamaha YTS-62iii and so happy now. I understand that the Yamaha is at a totally different level price wise, skill wise and like 4-5 times the price but it really does look and sound much better. I didn't expect the JP to be on the level of a Yamaha given the price point but the issues I had are unforgivable and just shows the lock of quality control and attention to detail. I did speak to my local instrument repair guy and he said they have all kinds of maintenance issues with JP products and often the same instrument comes back ever 3 months for a repair. In my opinion don't waste the money on a JP, even if you do get lucky and have a decent one from the factory as it seems you will be spending more money on repairs. If you don't have the money to purchase a new good instrument I totally understand, try finding a good used one, or a good student model like the YAS-280 for Alto. Looking forward to your follow up review in the months to come. Thanks
All these cheaper saxes will need more repair work which costs $ as many posts and keys bend way too easy cheaply made ,be extra careful but not good for pros who carry them around a lot.
Could you give a more technical opinion? It is not much use to say all these or all those. "All these" not tell me anything. Is like tell nothing at all
@@Chagomansilla well said. Also, I disagree, I've pulled Selmers out of the plastic that needed major work. The anti-Asian bias is getting old. The cost cutting is not coming from "soft metal." This trope is tired.
Dr. Wally, you have a truly sublime tone and your melodies simply are peerless when compared to other saxophonists on the world wide web. Deeply appreciated.
My goodness that is kind, thanks Philip! I hope you have a wonderful week and happy practicing!
@@drwallysax It was a sincere and merited encomium. At the moment I don't have a saxophone, I'm a guitar player, I had to discontinue the alto some years back owing to front teeth problems - now fixed, so I will buy an alto when I'm back in the UK. I'm currently in Bangkok watching and following your excellent style. I like your practical and academic approach to the instrument. Best wishes Philip
Stunning playing. Love your music. In the 70s from 10 to 18 years old I played mostly a Yamaha with a high F sharp key and the last year and a half, a Yamaha tenor with the high f sharp key. People said I had a good sound, and I recognized the bright sound of these machines. Life gets in the way and one moves on. 6 weeks ago at cousins house. She just started learning the saxophone at 55 years of age. She has a student alto Yamaha. I picked it up and (this being 43 years later) played it. Shocked I still had some ability and retained good sound. (wife shocked, you will start playing again....she is half German so one follows orders). Did my research and determined one will never go wrong buying a Yamaha. Loved the dark sound of the Student Jean Paul. Bought one and have been playing it for 4 weeks firming up my fundamentals. Having so much fun and love it. IF I get to the point where it starts limiting me I would get the 860. But that is a way off. I practice daily. You Sir, are partly responsible for keeping me on the straight and narrow. THANK YOU.
I have the Jean Paul AS-400 student model and I have loved it ever since I started playing again as an adult. It is a very well built horn!
I'm very glad to hear that! Hw long have you had yours?
I have to agree, Derrick. I also purchased a Jean Paul AS-400 about 2 years ago as an "open box" for $400. I have been very pleased with the quality and sound. Since then, I found a screaming deal on a Yamaha yas-62s that I just couldn't pass up. But I still play my Jean Paul as much as the Yamaha. I tend to keep the JP on a stand with a synthetic reed, so all I have to do is pick it up and play. I usually keep the yas62 in the case, because I don't want it to get knocked over, accidentally. If I'm gonna seriously practice for 30 or more minutes, I pull out the Yamaha, but when I suddenly feel inspired to blurt out a tune while I'm cleaning house, the JP is my go to.
@@drwallysax I have had mine since January and I have played at least 5 hours a week on it since. It has held up wonderfully aside from a sticky G# and C keys. Love the content as well btw !
@@DerrickDes Keep me updated on the Jean Paul, I'd like to keep in touch with customers and see how you feel it holds up! (and thanks for the kind words) :)
@@evovulpes122 I can sympathise with that. The reason I got the AS-400 was to look after my mid-80's Yamaha YAS-62 :)
When I was a "serious high-school level student," I played 6 hours a day. No joke. Three hours of rehearsals in school plus three hours practice at home. I think that's pretty much the only reason I can still play at a passable level now.
Been hesitant to recommend this as an option to my beginner students renting saxes. Yours is the second good review on TH-cam. Will at least suggest they take a look. Thanks for a well rounded and detailed review.
Thanks Don. And it's an interesting thought: Renting a Jupiter for a year would cost more (in my local area) after a year, than just buying the Jean Paul. Some of the rental saxes the big chains keep in their fleet are just abysmal.
I too got a Jean Paul AS 400 which arrive March 31 this year (21) and in the first six months have easily put on between 450-500 hours. Here’s my honest assessment: I love it! But to be honest, I have nothing else to compare. I started playing the sax (never even touched one before this and didn’t even know there were different kind of saxes out there). I took formal (classic) piano lessons as a child for about 7 years and haven’t played piano or guitar for years; more like decades. Sax woke up something in me which I’ve never experienced with piano and guitar…a passion, I guess. Thus, in the first 6 months I have easily played 20-30 hours per week and this still continues to be the case. So I have put a lot of hours on this instrument that would still be considered new. The issues I have had with it are really minor, but here they are: I’ve had a cork damper behind one of the keys come off. I stuck it back on a few times until I got out the contact cement and did it properly. It’s fixed now. Every few months the screw holding the octave mechanism on the neck backs out, I imagine due to vibration. The mechanism drops on one side and the key doesn’t seat properly over the hole. I now check it once in a while and retighten if necessary. A dab of loctite will fix this if it irritates me enough to get it out. The next issue is probably a combination of geographic and design. The cork which the mouthpiece slides onto has started to disintegrate at the far end: on the side closest to the octave mechanism. It doesn’t interfere with the mouthpiece because I don’t need it to go that far. What I noticed going on was because the mouthpiece is tight fitting, it compresses the cork (downward pressure) inside the mouthpiece. The portion of cork outside the mouthpiece ends up with unusual upward pressure on it (away from the neck). My guess is that this upward pressure has caused the contact cement to pull away.
The geographic problem is this: The humidity where I live can be all over the place in the summer. From humid to dry. Cork grease doesn’t just lubricate, but it also conditions the cork. I haven’t been that diligent using it and only use it if I’m really having difficulty man handling the mouthpiece onto the neck. The portion of cork that is peeling feels dry and crumbly so I know I need to keep it conditioned during the dry times of the year. Replacing the cork isn’t really a big deal for me. I have lots of it which I use for other reasons and one day I’ll get around to replacing this. I think I’ll sand down the new cork so that the mouthpiece isn’t as tight. But on a side note, I bought a Jody Jazz custom dark mouthpiece and it apparently would even be a tighter fit than the mouthpiece that comes with the Jean Paul because the stock mouthpiece no longer fits unless I wrap a piece of paper around the cork first.
My biggest complaint about my Jean-Paul is this: My little finger constantly jams under the roller when I need to slide between C# and B or Bb. Of course no problem when coming the opposite way. But a few songs I’m learning requires a back and forth movement and I’m unable to do it no matter what tricks I try. If I’m going to be picky, I notice the same thing when I have to quickly play a back and forth C/D# movement. No problem coming up from C, but the roller feels a little high when coming from D# to C, especially if I have to play the two notes quickly or have to play these two notes back and forth. BUT, to be fair to Jean Paul, I only paid 700 (Canadian) for my sax and I’m looking for key movement that comes with far more expensive saxes. I played around with the keys on a $4000.00 Selmer and couldn’t believe how effortless it was playing those keys. But I’m comparing apples to oranges. A $700.00 instrument to a 4000.00 one. At the same time I tried a student Yamaha version and I have to say I prefer the key action of my Jean Paul better.
Overall I love my Jean Paul. The one question I have for you, Doc, is how do you find the key action between the AS-400 and the AS-860? Is there much of a difference? Down the road I would like to purchase a Tenor and the beast, Soprano and would seriously consider a Jean Paul professional. I play just for my own pleasure and don’t see myself jamming in a band anytime soon so a good quality instrument that doesn’t break the bank is okay for me. But the key action needs to be smooth.
However the Cannonball keeps calling my way……..I love the sound that instrument produces. But I better start saving my pennies.
Great job as always, Doc Wally. Love your videos and your humour always draws me back in to watch another video. Thanks for all that you are doing for the sax community.
Thanks for sharing your experience. That is an honest review. My experience is that I have had better bang for my buck buying good, well serviced second-hand models - Keilwerth EX90, Selmer SA80-II, than new saxes for similar money. So I'll keep shopping at my local store and buying second-hand, judiciously.
Dr. Wally..every time I see you I get happy, and float around the pad for a few days.... wish you the best. You're healing us all in many ways, and providing sanity.....love your tone, always reminds me of my idol, Paul Desmond. Great review.
Jim, that's incredibly kind and much appreciated. I'll be uploading lessons much more regularly, I look forward to seeing you float around here!
You're right , his sound reminds me Paul Desmond , I agree with your whole comment.
This is the second (third?) video I’ve watched of yours, and I subscribed. I’m 42 years old and looking to learn the sax. This looks like the best sax to get, and you seem like the best guy to learn from via TH-cam video! 🍻
I got the JP400 silver, $600. 4 months ago when I joined Wally’s Army. I try to play at least an hour a day. It’s holding up very well and I love the sound. I’d highly recommend for any novice player.
That's good to hear! I saw that on the website, looks beautiful (and what a price!) Hope you have a fantastic week George!
Great review and utterly honest as it should be. You do have the integrity all reviewers should have. When I get back to playing I think, at this price point I'll give this sax brand serious consideration. Really enjoying your videos and your wit too.
Great review. Im am a retired band director and going on 25 years as a repair tech for my second career. I recently bought a Jean Paul student tenor and have logged many hours on it. I have been amazed at the playing quality. It is great as long as you don't look too close.
Some pivot screws are not aligned correctly and one rib is not completely soldered to the body. I had the same issue on the neck to the point it had a negative effect on the sound but was easily corrected with a carbide burr on my Dremel tool. I enjoy your improv lessons also.
Appreciate the experienced perspective, thanks Don! Hope you have a great week my friend!
Always have a Dremel tool!!
I’ve had the AS-400 for about two years, I’ve played it for about one year before I bought a Cannonball Alcazar (which I absolutely love).
My 10-year-old boy took over the AS-400 and he had played it for about a year. We are both very happy with it. We both play about 1-2 hours every day. My kid has brought it to school and jazz camp this summer. I have absolutely no complaints. Durable and still plays nicely in tune.
Do you think now after two years, this will be the time to upgrade to this one?
If he still loves playing, it's a good option for sure. Glad you've had a good experience as well!
My backup horns are a Jean Paul student alto and tenor. Both play well I have no complaints.
I've met a good number of happy customers, glad you've had a good experience as well! Happy practicing Vladimir!
Thanks Dr. Wally! Looking forward to the new lessons! Looks like a nice horn.
Surprisingly good value! Hey Julie, I'll have the fundamentals course updated this week, thanks for your patience.
Thanks for the vid, Dr. Wallace! it seems like there has been an influx of affordable + well-made Saxophone equipment and it's been great to see.
Thank you Dr. Wally for the content! I really like your new sax review series.
Have a nice day!
thanks Floppa! New lesson next week, happy practicing!
I have a JP AS-400. I purchased it in April of 2020 and tried to play it. I have years of experience on the Sax, but it was a few decades ago. I could not play the Middle D at all, just squeaks, and the the E was a little better. I watched tons of videos to try to resolve the problem to no avail, so I resigned myself the the belief that I could no longer play. Last month I hired an online instructor who diagnosed and fixed the problem in 5 minutes. As you know, the Octave key, the pad on the neck, is supposed to close when holding the thumb button and playing below A. I didn't remember that little tidbit, my instructor had me bend the little arm of the key and viola, I am playing the sax again.
I guess the lesson there is stuff can happen during shipping, so if you have a problem upon delivery have it checked by a repair facility. Other than that the sound is very nice and the horn is of good quality. I do have a sticky G# key, but I am going to try some Key Leaves-devices that hold the key open when not playing. I have now been playing a month on the JP.
Wow superb sax playing, very elegant.
DIY sound management systems can do the job, and instructions are available on TH-cam. 10 years ago, I constructed several rock wool sound absorption boxes for my senior citizens apartment so I could learn trumpet without being evicted. I managed to contain fugitive sound emissions below 50 decibels from my front door and less to my neighbor's bedroom when I close the door to my bedroom thus putting two walls between us. Cost of materials was less than $100. Construction time was less than four hours with two saw horses, one circular saw, power drill, yard stick, carpenter's square, scissors, stapler.
Ahhhh! That sounds nice and relaxing. Yes. I’m a sinner. I haven’t practiced as much as I should. I will make time to sax. Great video!
Dr Wally,
Thank you for your honest assessment of the horn.
The reason that I don’t purchase a Saxophone, whether it’s an Alto or Tenor. Heaven forbid a Bari is the price. Very expensive to say the least. Now I will be interested in purchasing this instrument.
Thank you.
Oscar G.
SAG-AFTRA, Equity
and Jazz Musician.
Hey Oscar - I've partnered with Jean Paul to release an even more affordable horn in the VERY near future. Stay tuned!
This saxophone looks great! Thank you so much for sharing your review with us!
Fun little horn! Hope things are well out in Wilmington!
My first impression is that it sounds better (more in tune and a bit brighter) than the Cooper-Zen you played a few days ago. But the Cooper-Zen looked nicer. I read a comment (which I cannot verify as true, but I will repeat it just in case someone had the same experience, although it is more likely a comment from a jealous competitor) that the Jean-Paul 400 saxes that were sent to people to review were specially checked and set up, but the "regular" horns were not as reliable. I recently bought a Chinese-Korean made (for a German company that checks and modifies the instruments before sale) "Karl-Glaser" curved soprano sax. I found a shop that carries them, so I could play test it before buying. The first horn I tested played well (in tune, good key action, good feel), but the bis key was sticking, so I tried a different horn (same model) and it was terribly out of tune! I went back to the first horn, cleaned the bis tone-hole and it worked fine. I payed 325 Euros and except for the rough edges on the neck/body connection, the not-so-good quality of the neck cork and the lousy positioning of the low Bb left hand pinky key (if my little finger were an inch and a half longer or I could spread my finger at a 90 degree angle it would be fine), So far (I've only the had the horn for1 1/2 months) I am very happy with it.
Hey Dr. Wally, can we get a tour of your studio? I need ideas about configuring a room as a practice space! A how-to with the things that you would consider necessary would be really nice!
That's a great idea, I'll see what I can sort out!
Thank you so much for this insightful presentation. I already ordered one. Could you tell me which mouthpiece, reed brand and size you used for this video
I went from a Bundy tenor with all kinds of bumps bruises to a TS-400 Jean Paul and wow the difference. Probably more of a difference if I would have found Doc Wally earlier. I just started 2 years ago.
I have a YAS 280 which I bought in August 2019 so it's exactly 2 years old. I got mine for $1100 on Amazon but today the same model sells for $1340. So its pretty much the same price as the Jean Paul Pro. My Yamaha has a high F# key so it is "almost" a pro horn. It has given me zero issues since Day One except that some of the pads were just a little sticky for the first month but they seem to have sorted themselves out. I would like to know your honest unbiased opinion on which horn SOUNDS better? The Jean Paul or the Yamaha? My only criticism of the Yamaha is that it sound a little thin compared to a pro horn costing a few thousand more. Is the same true of the Jean Paul? Also which horn would you say has better ease of playability in terms of key action and also in terms of dynamic range? Thanks.
About 6 months ago, in another post, you said that you were working with Jean Paul and would have a big announcement soon. Is that announcement still forthcoming? If so, how long much longer?
Strong review. I like what this brand is doing and people seem to be having good experiences with their instruments. I already got a Yamaha YAS-280 as my beginner instrument, so until I´m closer to Kenny Garrett or Chris Potter´s level I couldn´t justify a new one ( I mean I couldn´t justify it to my wife :D). I´m hoping Jean Paul does release a straight soprano. I don´t like the look of curved sopranos but I could go with an affordable straight one eventually.
Good to hear, and yeah, a straight soprano would be nice!
@@drwallysax they actually have a straight sop with similar price of this one. hope to see a review someday, maybe comparing with yss 475 and their current curved one.
I would really love if you could do an update video of this horn soon. Would really appreciate it!
I'll have more than an update, VERY soon. I've been having some great conversations with Jean Paul, we're cooking up something unbelievably cool.
@@drwallysax SO looking forward to it! Thank you for replying.
I purchased the student model horn for my daughter to begin band. I have to say I have been extremely happy with how it’s help up for the most part. The only issue it’s had is, she managed to break the neck tightening screw. I just emailed JP about this issue, so hopefully they will send me a new screw. I got a deal on a vintage JK stencil by Martin that I purchased for her to move up to. She ended up going back to the JP. I can’t say I blame her, the JP horn plays so well. The vintage JK horn has rich sound that just sings, but the action has a not as good as the JP. I ended up keeping the JK as a backup to my Selmer BA. Jean Paul horns are an outstanding value.
Jason, that's GREAT to know. Being a saxophonist yourself, you have the unique perspective to see how it plays and how it holds up in beginning band class. Thanks for the perspective!
Update. JP replied promptly and sent out a replacement screw. Great service.
What is the name of the tune at the 5:25 mark in this video?
Hey wally have you heard about them making a pro tenor this is right in my price range for a secondary instrument since i already have a 62 alto
I have the soprano, alto, and tenor student models and have played them for several years and NEVER had any problem with the horns. Before I bought the JP Soprano, I had bought a straight soprano on amazon for $300 and it's garbage. The JP instruments (I have their clarinet as well and it's favorably compared to my Buffet E11 clarinet) feel great in the hands and the metal and keywork feels solid. They are not your typical 'Chinese knockoff disposable instrument shaped object' company.
I think you need to consider that since Jean Paul sent the horn to you for review, that they probably set this horn up meticulously so that it would play well right out of the box. I'm not saying that it's a bad instrument, but the average Joe is probably going to get a factory set up that will require some adjustments.
Certainly possible (and something I considered). This happens also at the manufacturing level. The factory will send a higher quality of product to the reseller in the testing phase, then over time quality control can begin to slip.
Cool vid Doc, I always enjoy these. A bit curious what the fix was for that sympathetic vibration, also what the warranty covers and how long it covers it.
Hey Edward! The quick fix is a bit of oil. The better fix would be replacing the pin. The warranty lasts a year and does cover that. You actually schedule a zoom call with their repair techs, then they either have you ship it to them or set up repair in your area I believe. Nice family.
Hi Dr Wally. How is the tone on the Jean Paul for classical playing?
Thanks for everything you do, Bradford Hook
Hey Wally, I have been wondering if JP was going to enter the pro level market. You answered my question. A few years ago a student showed up for lesson with a Jean Paul tenor. I was dubious at first...he paid under $900 for it. I sent him to my tech ti have it set up, and JP covered the expense under their warranty. My tech loved the horn. Now, 8 of my students blow JP altos and tenors and love them. I, like you, receive no commission. Great review!
That's great to hear, Dave! We (as saxophonists) need to come to terms with the manufacturing advances in Asia. I mean, the French make Peugeots after all ;)
What mouthpiece model are you using in this video ? Sounds great.
Nice review and great information as always Wally. Looks like a great horn for the money.
Thanks Dave, it's a crazy little bargain. Very fun to play!
Hi Dr. Wally,
I love your honest reviews and they helped me to by good gear in the past, the key leafs or your 56 mouthpiece for example.
I own a Thomann handmade tenor Sax and I love playing it from the first second. Can you do a review of it? I am curious what you would think of it 🙂
Hi Oliver! I generally only review products that are sent to me (and I like). Right now I'm sticking to pro-horns, but that could change!
@@drwallysax well i could send you my horn, but then I can't practice 😁
Excellent review, love the details, personality and very tasteful tone/skills. I wonder if you considered reviewing Buffet Crampon 400 series, I tried one and was very impressed. Thank you
Great review! I enjoy your videos and podcast. Do you have any updates on this? You said you were going to log a couple of hours per week on it for several months and give an update. TIA. Keep up the good work.
Update coming next week - I've been playing it for a year!
Three videos in a week?! It must be my birthday!
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@@drwallysax Dr Wally! I never knew you had such a beautiful singing voice! 😍
Yeah, the soft metal argument, I´m tired of that. But I get that about my Cannonball and my Mauriat.
I have had the pivot screws replaced on the Mauriat, and some extra bracing. But the sound on these horns are great for my æsthetic.
We need some kind of metal-strength-o-meter to figure this stuff out. Like you, I'm getting tired of the anecdotal "my repair tech, who's a genius, said..."
Interesting that you mentioned 'rough edges'. The finish it seems could and should be improved, even at this price point.
I had purchased the Jean Paul AS-400 two years ago , shipped to Australia. It had sharp protruding brass burrs inside both ends of the crook, and in the neck of the body. I had to get a round metal file to file those >1.5mm burrs as best as I could (its not soft metal). The crook still has sharp bits inside which I cannot reach as the cleaning cloth gets snagged every time. And the inside neck of the body is still very rough. I also find the balance is off and it could be a combination of the position of the two thumbs pads, neck strap hole and the rotational alignment of the crook (as compared to my mid-80's Yamaha YAS-62 in which the balance is perfect). Also one of the key arms had to be bent in order to fit, but that's okay as its not so easily noticed. However, it does play well as an adult returning-after-30years-amateur. Considering selling it to go back to trusty Yamaha, maybe a YAS-480.
I've heard, anecdotally about burrs in the body of the AS-400. I did not see any in the AS-860, but to my understanding it's made in a different factory on different equipment. I can't speak to the 400, but I will say the 860 plays VERY nicely compared to the YAS-840. Hard to beat Yamaha with consistency and longevity though! Have a great week!
@@drwallysax Cheers for the info.
Hi Dr Wallace. Thanks for your interesting videos. Can you tell me about a good Soprano saxophone not too expensive? Thanks again.
Jean Paul! I'll be doing a review soon!
Hey Dr W. you say in the vid that your goto entry-level pro horn is the Y62 but could you elucidate briefly on why you prefer that to the Yani (or other) equivalents ? Personal preference, sure, but is there anything that underlies it ?
Absolutely! I have played on VERY few Yanigasawas, largely because they're difficult to find in my neck of the woods. The Conn Selmer rep (who distributes them) is trying to help me get some to try, but there's no stock (and backorder and delays). So, part of my recommending Yamaha is the brand ubiquity. My students can (generally) find them in any region or a multitude of online retailers. Availability and consistency are big reasons I recommend the Yamaha 62. I absolutely HATE it when someone's recommendation is something you can't find!
can you do some diference review between jean paul sax student and profesional and a yamaha profesional serie Yas-62
making a video about it in about 3 weeks!
I bought one a few weeks ago and I love it
Nice! Did you get the 400 or 860?
@@drwallysax I got the 860
Can someone tell me the song starting at 5:35 thx
I think countless people would have wanted to learn the saxophone and then been put off by the price (having no experience of musical instruments). Then they will most likely just buy a guitar. 20 years ago I considered buying a saxophone but the cheapest one I could see in the shop was a soprano that cost over 2k. I would love to see a saxophone renaissance.
What is the main difference between this one and the AS 400, besides the price of course.
I have some wierd alto, could never find it online, it has Vienna imprinted on the bell and case, the body is made from an abnormal material, I have no idea what it is. Not sure if you have seen or heard of these.
I haven't. There are gazillions of random, one-off stamps on saxophones. Really hard to keep track!
$1300, wow. I'd take that over renting a Jupiter any day!
I imagine you have more than enough ideas for videos, but here's an issue that's been on my mind which I don't have any great answers for - how might someone get the practice they need when their noise is an issue? Whether it's a high schooler whose parents are going to pop if they hear another augmented triad or long tone, or whether it's someone living in an apartment, being considerate can be a major obstacle to practicing. Personally, DIY soundproofing is the first thing that pops into my head, but that's not always a useful solution. Mute bags might be an option, but I don't have any experience with them. In any case, students (or their families, at least) might really benefit from your wisdom regarding this.
Hey Tom! Certainly a great question, I'll see if I can get some things together for that. Hope you're well my friend!
Thanks! I'm doing well enough, and I hope you are, too.
DIY sound management systems can do the job, and instructions are available on TH-cam. 10 years ago, I constructed several rock wool sound absorption boxes for my senior citizens apartment so I could learn trumpet without being evicted. I managed to contain fugitive sound emissions below 50 decibels from my front door and less to my neighbor's bedroom when I close the door to my bedroom thus putting two walls between us. Cost of materials was less than $100. Construction time was less than four hours with two saw horses, one circular saw, power drill, yard stick, carpenter's square, scissors, stapler.
Are there any particular mainstream models that you think it compares well to? And do you know if a Tenor is in the making?
No idea about tenor. It's tough for me to compare it to anything else, nothing else comes close to the price! It plays quite a bit like a Yamaha 62iii, but (I can't believe I'm saying this): the Jean Paul was more fun to play. If it turns out to hold up ok, and be a decent build quality, I think it's truly a game changer.
What kind of lifespan does a horn of this caliber from Taiwan? The sound is great.
Hard to say - but thus far no issues. The pads are Pisoni, so that would be my biggest concern.
I have a couple different cheap Chinese made saxes and do know a little metallurgy (not nearly as much as a materials engineer but I cross paths with a few in my day job). One is an Ammoon soprano, and the other is a Glory tenor. I also have my old Yamaha YAS-23 that I played when I was younger. I actually commented before about some trouble I was having with low notes on the Yamaha especially compared to the soprano, and am able to report that was nothing wrong with the horn, but after taking some lessons with a local teacher, determined to be breath support. My face muscles remember the correct embouchure, but need strengthening, but it was mainly diaphragm issues. Anyway, back to my experience with Chinese made saxes. The designs are solid, they're probably copying existing horns, and as far as getting the measurements down, they're fine. The holes are the right size and in the right places. The metals are fine. Nothing stands out as being too soft or anything. What does vary, and I suspect this is down to who built the individual horn, is final construction. If whoever built it really cares and was having a good day, it'll probably turn out to be a good saxophone. If they're just punching the clock, or having an off day, then... not so much. That's my experience with my two. The soprano is great. Plays easy, in tune, feels nice, and is holding up pretty well after about 18 months of casual playing. The tenor needed a little TLC right out of the box, springs were loose, a few parts had come off in shipping, etc. Got it put back together and it plays okay, but nothing special. I've been eyeing the Jean Paul tenor as an eventual upgrade.
Good to know, appreciate the perspective. Given that your knowledge, I think you would probably appreciate the 860. I was impressed (and I turned down the commission sales, so it's an honest opinion).
never dig to many chinese horns..i have several Martins,conn,and a really old buescher true tone...they sound incredible..the sound alone is much better in my opinion..and as far as ergonomics i'm ok with alle of them..
Dr Wally - Nice review of the Jean Paul and the Zen Cooper. When you do these reviews, do you always use the mouthpiece that comes with it or do you use one of your own?
I always use my own mouthpiece, I like to remove that variable!
Dr. Wally, in your opinion do you think that a significant percentage of the case movement can be corrected with one of those adjustable neck-plug vent caps?
No, way too much lateral movement. I
@@drwallysax Well, that stinks! Hopefully they see your video soon and address this. The one complaint about my WoodStone is that the case (GL?), although very snug, doesn't hold anything besides the neck and mouthpiece.
@@KrisVComm Jean Paul has seen the review and is aware! Disappointing about the wood stone case, but that's a compromise I'd be ok with.
@@drwallysax Alex Hahn has a case I am envious of. Alex Han has chops I am envious of. They are BOTH great players but if Hahn isn't careful I may just snag his case...HAHAHA
Dr Wally would you recommend that horn for a beginner?
Beginner adult, yes! For kids (knocking around in band class) I might recommend something with more bracing/weight. The AS400 is built like a tank.
Great review
An interesting product for sure!
Ever played a Mauriat, Doc? When it comes to getting a shiny new Horn here in Chile, the only pro brands I've seen in stores are Yamaha, Expensive Selmers and the Mauriats. No Cannonball, no Eastman, no Yanagisawa! I'm not looking to buy a pro saxophone at all, but I'm always interested in opinions.
I liked the Mauriat I tried. I was a little put off by the price. I have some friends that love them though!
SWEEET ANOTHER ONE :D
Any plans for sopranos or tenors in the future?
If a company sends one, sure!
Yea, thanks! ☺️
Dr. Wallace. You mentioned you play this for a couple months and see if it was still good or if it fell apart. What are feelings about it now that you've had it for a few months?
going strong. It's been surprisingly solid.
Looks/sounds good, Doc! Could you look into reviewing a Phil Barone sax? They're right in that 2k price point you're interested in and they look really nice 😁
I'm not opposed to it. But there are a gazillion Taiwanese horns like the Phil Barone from the same factory, sent out to a gazillion different small companies. I'm fairly busy with teaching, so I end up reviewing the brands that take the initiative to contact me and set it up!
@@drwallysax Not to mention TH-cam commenting 😅
Would you recommend this or the BetterSax alto sax? I'm debating between the two or if i should just save myself the money and get the Jean Paul AS-400.
Afraid I've never tried the BetterSax! If Jay sends me one, I'll be happy to check it out!
Thank You, Dr. Wally for that interesting and honest Review.
Hmm, a Pro Horn for 1300 Dollars, that sounds really astonishing. It's about the prize level I paid for my Students Sax (YAS-280) a bit more than a Year ago, when I started practicing Saxophone. I would've been able to afford the 480 or even a freshly serviced 62, but I choosed the 280 cause I thought it's easier to start with an entry level Instrument. Of course my goal is to play Sax, but to do that I firstly need to LEARN Sax. I knew that I'm not a Pro just because I would own a Pro instrument. I wanted an instrument that makes it easy to learn - and a young race driver also don't starts directly in a F-1 car. ;)
That's why I honestly can say: I'm not aiming to become a better Sax player by change ("Upgrade"?) my Instrument to this one.
I'm really content with my instrument every time I practice (*).
But if a Beginner asks You which Instrument You'd recommend, (this one or the classy Student's 280) which one You'd recommend?
(* btw: to adapt Your Tongue Video in my practice helped me a lot! Didn't change my behavior much (that proofed me that I'm on a good way) but I spend more care about tongue movement now. THANKS again!)
That's great to hear! Happy practicing!
The reality is student model instruments dont actually help you learn faster or anyrhing. Theyre made using cheaper and more affordable parts. They call it a student model to market it better. Student models are harder to tune, and play. Also harder to maintain. Learning on a professional would actually be a lot more helpful. Its just not smart because most beginners would prob break an expensive horn due to negligence. If you want to save money then ofc its the safer option
So, how DO you fix a roller key that rattles sympathetically?
Call your repair technician of course! (bit of grease/oil)
I have the Jean Paul TS 400. It's a beautiful horn.
That's good to hear!! I need to try one eventually.
You play great. Bravo !
Dr. WALLY, were you playing with the mouthpiece that it came with?
No, that's the 56 Select. I generally can't be bothered to play with the included mouthpieces. As I review pro horns, most students already have a mouthpiece when they upgrade.
Life's too short to review plastic stock mouthpieces 😂
Hi Dr wally how do you compare this saxophone with YAS-62 ??
Is YAS-62 better or this one?
The 62 is better made, but not 3X better (the price difference).
@@drwallysax thanks 1 more question .
Between Jean Paul pro and cooper pro saxophone which you reviewed months back which is better... Thanks for reply Dr. Wally.. this is the best saxophone youtube channel..
Since this video made... Do you still, satisfied with this Jean paul saxophone as 860 ???
VERY satisfied. One year follow up video coming in a few weeks.
Perfect can't wait to see the video... Last question
.. With what other saxophone you could compare the Jean paul as 860??? Thx you My. Brother
Video on update on this horn?
Coming in a couple of weeks in conjunction with Jean Paul launching a new saxophone - it's fantastic.
@@drwallysax Which one would you prefer Buffet 100, Yamaha yas-26 or the John Paul? May you do a video comparing them 3 about the weakness and strength of each saxophone?
@@28_babysharkIt's not really possible for me to compare horns without having them all present - and I'm not a music store. The Jean Paul would be my choice, by far considering the price and features. Also, I've gotten to know Tim and the family that owns Jean Paul. I trust them to provide great customer service and support.
@@drwallysax I'm not worried about the prices between 3. I just didn't know if you had experience with the other two since you have years of experience playing the saxophone. I was purchasing my son's first Saxophone and need help to make a decision on which one to get.
@@28_babyshark He'll love the Jean Paul. It's much more fun to play.
I love your shirt, in this video.
Please wear again.
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I only own like 3, so it's fairly likely 😂
@@drwallysax
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I noticed that you called this sax, a "introductory professional" sax. what is the difference between this horn and a "professional next level" sax?
Largely the finishing and key fitting.
I really like the sound better than the Zen Cooper. It has a great sound.
It's a fun little horn, and crazy good value (assuming it holds up)!
Which mouthpiece??
My signature mouthpiece: The 56 Select www.windycitywoodwinds.com/56
This saxophone or the YAS-52 for 900$?
Honestly, I'd get the Jean Paul. I've been playing it a few hours every week since this review video - it's just a great instrument. The ergonomics, intonation, and response are excellent. It's also just more fun to play (in my opinion) than the 52.
How did you know about me not practicing... did my wife rat me out?!
It's a 6th sense. I'll be drinking coffee and feel a chill going down my spine......"Michael isn't practicing....."
Did you melt it?.... Tell me you melted it...
Melted what?
@@drwallysax 10:52
@@thomass7140 Ahh, well I can't be the one to initiate the melting. If it melted on its own? Find out in a couple of weeks when I do the 1 year follow up video!
Xin chào , cho tôi hỏi giá của nó bao nhiêu
Currently in USA between $1500 to $1700
'Dr.Wally takes swipe at Cannonball...
manages to insult the Tiawanese AND the Mormans;
Extolls Uigher craftmanship'
(exerpted from Saxual Warriors bulletin)
I think the Taiwanese make some fine instruments. I think the Chinese make some fine instruments. Let's hold hands and sing together.
I Love my Jean paul TS 400 .but I hate my alto shaped trashaphone from god knows where lol!
What make is the alto? Glad you like the tenor, I've heard good things!
@@drwallysax it’s unbranded from China. Middle c plays G only low d is in key. I mostly think of it as a drum that I blow through..Lol
Mouthpiece and setup please!
My mouthpiece is my signature piece: The 56 Select! I use a Boston Sax Shop 3.5. In this video, the horn is obviously the Jean Paul, but my regular horn is a Conn 6M. Happy Wedensday!
Quero comprar.🇧🇷
É um bom valor pelo dinheiro
Made in.... Vietnam???
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China. Chiiiiiiina.
@@drwallysax 😅😅😅
OK, Dude!
@@Zubarev09 Good. Goooooooood.
@@drwallysax are you Killing Me?😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
I never really cared too much about engraving.
It's pretty, Lowell! In an ugly world, saxophone engraving makes me happy. Not as much as good tone I suppose :)
I recently tried 2 different tenors from JP that were purchased through Amazon and both disappointed me beyond what I could have ever even imagine. Both were absolutely CRAP! The craftsmanship was the worst I have ever seen, on any instrument. There were deep scratches on some of the keys that were there before the plating was put on. One of the tenors had the 3 right hand side keys not even staight. The other tenor when you release the low C key would hit the key guard and make a loud clunk sound.
Maybe the Amazon instruments are all lemons but there is no excuse for these kind of issues and lock of attention to detail.
I ended finding a good deal on a new Yamaha YTS-62iii and so happy now. I understand that the Yamaha is at a totally different level price wise, skill wise and like 4-5 times the price but it really does look and sound much better. I didn't expect the JP to be on the level of a Yamaha given the price point but the issues I had are unforgivable and just shows the lock of quality control and attention to detail.
I did speak to my local instrument repair guy and he said they have all kinds of maintenance issues with JP products and often the same instrument comes back ever 3 months for a repair.
In my opinion don't waste the money on a JP, even if you do get lucky and have a decent one from the factory as it seems you will be spending more money on repairs. If you don't have the money to purchase a new good instrument I totally understand, try finding a good used one, or a good student model like the YAS-280 for Alto.
Looking forward to your follow up review in the months to come. Thanks
All these cheaper saxes will need more repair work which costs $ as many posts and keys bend way too easy cheaply made ,be extra careful but not good for pros who carry them around a lot.
Could you give a more technical opinion?
It is not much use to say all these or all those. "All these" not tell me anything. Is like tell nothing at all
@@Chagomansilla well said. Also, I disagree, I've pulled Selmers out of the plastic that needed major work. The anti-Asian bias is getting old. The cost cutting is not coming from "soft metal." This trope is tired.