Camilla is irrelevant to me, but what really shocks me is that Henry fought for *SEVEN* years and blew up the country for it… And he just threw Anne away. It would be funny if she wasn’t murdered so tragically. It is the perfect karma that Anne and Henry’s daughter became arguably the strongest ruler in England history.
I also love the reason he claimed to want to divorce Catherine of Aragon was because he was married to his brother. Never mind that there was precedent for it throughout other houses of Europe with papal dispensation (which they did have). He was like, “It’s totally fine for me to marry a woman when I slept with her sister!” Until it wasn’t, because he also didn’t get a son from Anne.
Well Alfonso died anyway before he learned that Pedro would posthumously make her Queen. Honestly, it was better that way because you just know Pedro was ready to kill his father for the murder.
From what I heard in this video, Pedro sounded like a badass with the way he stood up for his lover. Inês had a horrible death, but she scored gold in the world of men.
I do love that story...Er, except for the Beheading in front of her children but how he gave her the Honors due to her that she was robbed of in life but in death. It's a beautiful love story. I'm surprised a film has not been made of it
Catherine Parr is definitely a lot more than a nursemaid. She, like Catherine of Aragon before her, was one of the wives Henry trusted to leave as Regent when he went on campaign. She was a loving stepmother to *all* his children, reconciling him with both Mary and Elizabeth. She was a published author in her own right, with her work printed by the king’s printer. She also clearly learned something from the downfalls of some of her predecessors, as when some of her reformist ideas landed her in hot water, she went to plead her case to the king, humbling herself before him, and the appeal worked, with him calling off guards meant to arrest her personally. In fact, Tudor historian Claire Ridgway suggests that she was a combination of a lot of the positive traits of the wives that came before her.
True, but with the subject of the video Catherine Parr wasn’t Henry’s mistress. If I remember correctly Henry didn’t go after her until Catherine Howard was already executed.
@@moondivine2288 but she was still atypical for a Queen, and the reasoning given in the video had nothing to do with Henry’s marital status. And an unmarried/widowed King could have a mistress too, because kings didn’t dare marry commoners in most cases.
@@cakt1991 but Henry isn’t most kings lol. He did split from the church when he wanted to marry Anne Boleyn. Because of that Henry’s material status does count. From a book I read on his six wives, when Henry meet Catherine Parr he simply wanted a companion, so Lindsey wasn’t wrong there. Catherine at her end was in love with someone else. She and Henry got married with her being a commoner, a rich one still, not being an issue. Catherine might have started because Henry wanted a nursemaid but, she eventually became more than that. On another note Anne of Cleves was also dismissed because her marriage with Henry wasn’t consummated. Because of that Lindsey is only counting women who are having sexual relations with the king before marriage.
Thank you for acknowledging that Katherine Howard was raped and probably later coerced. So often she's talked about as a grown woman who was just promiscuous. The reality is that she, like many others at the time, was a sexually abused child. And within her family, she was just a political pawn. Most of the women were, but at least there was some evidence of familial feeling. There's really none when it comes to Katherine. I've always felt very sorry for her.
A cool anecdote about Inês de Castro. Even to this day, people in Portuguese-speaking countries have a saying that means "it's too late for that now" but which translates directly as "Inês is dead" ('Inês é morta', an archaic construction that survived into modern day).
Had their societies allowed them to wait and marry people they loved or who they wanted instead of treating woman like sheep to breed and slaughter- a lot of these men and women might have not ended up in these embarrassing and tragic situations
Not always, as in the case of Henry, he just decided he did not want his wife anymore so it makes no difference even though the start of his first marriage was good. Honestly, these men just followed their hormones in many ways. Their original wives took marriage seriously the majority of the time and had to remain faithful or else while their husbands could do whatever they wanted. The problem was that society treated having mistresses as "normal" or just something men do. That is the same attitude the now King of England had from the start. Basically other princes and kings had mistresses, so why cant he. This attitude does not work for us normal people, but for royals somehow their wives just had to grin and bare it.
I truly understand that sentiment but in those days people had to politically marry other people for alliances and increase strength so Ig in those times it was essential minus the happiness of others.
@@NaerysTargaryen26 Henry VIII was not required to marry Katherine. In fact he had to get a dispensation to marry her. It was purely considered a love match.
@S B She brought a dowry that was paid in half to her marriage with Arthur. Her father then dragged his feet to pay the other half for ten years. By the time Henry VII died she was planning to return to Spain and become a nun. Henry married her shortly after becoming King. It’s debated if he ever got the remaining 100,000 from Spain as they were no longer as advantageous of a match after the death of her mother and brother in law Phillip, who took over Castille. In fact by 1514 Katherine after all of her fathers broken promises decided to "forget Spain and everything Spanish." She could do this due to having a joint coronation with Henry. It was unusual for Queens to be coronated prior to delivering their first heir during this time period, for exactly the reasons Henry would discover. His haste in marrying Katherine and making her his Queen in spite of only getting half the dowry of his brother, knowing full well that he was unlikely to ever receive the rest, which is highly debated if he ever did made it an unwise match. When Henry inherited the throne from his father we know that Katherine’s original dowry was already spent. By all contemporary accounts he married Katherine because he loved her. He could have made another alliance with far less strings attached that would have been far more beneficial financially and didn’t involve Spain that have proven to be untrustworthy and in the midst of political turmoil.
@@leonieromanes7265 I really got that from the musical Six. Her song is heartbreaking. It really gets me interested in royal consorts and mistresses in history. Makes me wonder how many royal mistresses really wanted anything to do with the royal and how many were just pressured by the men in their families to let the king or prince have their way with them and their bodies so the men could have favors. Creepy huh?
@@FantabulousFaillooks like under 16 can only marry with judges approval, but I'm sure it is abused. Looks like the law was changed recently, as it used to be only under 14 needed judges approval. That is sick.
I used to absolutely idolize E1, until I finally wrapped my head around her behavior in some cases, but there is absolutely no denying that she is one of the most impactful humans who ever lived. She had terrible taste in men tho. I know feel like the "Virgin Queen" business was actually marketing...
Elizabeth was an awful human, she’s nothing to brag about. Insecure and vengeful. One of her favorite past times was torturing animals. She enjoyed bear baiting. She liked to have bears hunted down, then caught tied up with chains then they released the dogs and she watched while the dogs tore the animals to pieces and cried out in pain. Sorry but anyone who can sit and watch that with pleasure is a POS. I don’t think she’s a person to brag about. Just a shitty as her father. If you don’t believe me you’re free to look it up. People who hurt children and animals have no heart!
Maybe that can be a continuous tradition. It’s funny that I just now realized both the mistress and the name Charles have to do with losing their heads in England. Prophetic, or happy coincidence??
There is a book I have called Royal Love Stories that features Ines de Castro and Pedro. It mentions how he had the hearts of the murderers ripped out, and it also mentions how the faces of the killers are carrying the coffin. It’s a symbolic way of the murders to carry the weight of their sin.
I’m a little confused as to why you didn’t include Wu Zetian in this video. She started as a concubine and ended up becoming the first female ruler of China.
I would guess it’s because a concubine in an Eastern court is very different culturally than a mistress in a Western one. All concubines are technically considered wives to an extent, even if they aren’t afforded equal status. Whereas Western countries practice monogamy, so mistresses have a certain illicitness and baggage they don’t in the East.
@@cakt1991yes, if the empress cannot give birth to a son, sons of these concubines can access to the throne. And if the son of a concubine is more talent than son of the empress, the emperor can give the throne to son of concubine as well. All the children of concubines are also considered legitimate. Concubines are legal minor wife of the emperor, they have their own title (but empress is the most powerful in harem). Children of concubines also have title prince/princess
The RF made a mistake by separating Charles and Camilla. They clearly loved eachother and she was part of their circle too . Diana could've led a happy life away from this mess if she wed a man who actually loved her
Unfortunately Camilla was not a virgin so wasn't suitable at the time when Charles wanted to marry her. Diana was a sacrificial lamb, had the heir and spare, and unfortunately was left to her own devices so naturally looked for love elsewhere. Charles had hooked up with Camilla again.
@@cgkennedy She had no idea how to survive in that vipers nest, innocent and a bit dim as she was. I can't imagine finding out your 'fairytale romance' was all planned by cold hearts. That you were a mere incubator who was required to deliver and behave impeccably no matter what, whose feelings didn't matter. I'd have gone a lot more nusto than Diana did. She'd be a contented Grandma with a nice garden in a quiet mews somewhere now.
I understand people might still love and respect the queen mother (Elizabeth Bowes Lyon). But she was the one who pushed Charles into marrying Diana. Sadly, she wouldn't have even been a part of the royal family herself if George VI had taken no for an answer the first time he proposed. She was worried about losing her freedom. Then she turns around and basically puts Diana in the same position she herself was in. It's a bit scary how the royal family works as the machine it is
I would go with the mistress of The first Bourbon King, she was engaged to the king already but she died on childbirth plus just 10 years later her lover became the king of France because he is the only male direct descendant and take her former MIL cousin to be his bride but I do wonder would she be accepted as a consort since her lover was upgraded from a king of a obscure country to the king of one of the coutries
It's so cool that you mentioned Inês de Castro :) She was the first I thought of when I saw the title of the video, but I wasn't sure that you would include her because she was a posthumous queen. I love seeing my country's history included haha thank you for the interesting video, Lindsay!
King Pedro and Queen Inês's tombs have their feet facing each other, so that when the day of judgment comes and they rise to ascend to heaven, they're face to face with each other once more. They're tombs are exquisite, hers especially. Pedro really did love her.
This has nothing to do with the video, but I was wondering if you would consider doing a video on Joesphine Baker. You mentioned her in your video on the 1920s, and as you said was “an American performer, dancer, and activist, and a sensation who immigrated to Paris and became a sensation”. She also adopted 12 racially diverse children, and her children were known as the Rainbow Tribe. She was one of the first performers to adopt children via interracial adoption. In addition she was married 4 times, and a close friend of Princess Grace Kelly. 🙂❤️
She was also a spy during WWI. She was an amazing woman! She moved to France because of the racism in the US and she did great there! I believe she was even part of the group of Americans that lived in Paris like Gertrude Stein, Ernest Hemingway and other artists and such.
Anne Boleyn was NOT Henry's mistress. She was a woman who was stalked by a lustful king and was caught between a rock and a hard place and legally could NOT say no or turn him down.
Dusties murder women for saying no, while married in 2024... I cannot imagine how Anne could say no.. How do you say no to a King... She made a lot of excuses and he just kept at it.
Please do the “Almost” video! My favorite of the various royal mistresses (alongside the witty Nell Gwynn) is Gabrielle d’Estrees, who would have made a fine queen and died in a particularly gruesome and tragic manner, so close to what would have been her wedding day and coronation. This lady deserves more attention, since she actually put her influence over Henri IV to good use and become one of the reasons the French Wars of Religion finally ended. She did so much good as a mistress-it’s so sad to think of what she could have done as Queen of France and never got the chance to accomplish.
Oooh, thank you for including king erik and karin månsdotter (swedish). It was a love story that still grips the nation, especially that he was later killed by soup.
I m very interested in learning about Wallis Simpson. So yeah please do make the video about the mistresses who almost became queens. I have binge watched your videos since I have discovered your channel 3 months ago.
Big DEFINITELY i would love to see the video on almost queens, especially since you included Francoise d'Aubigne (Madame Maintenon) in the list! She's been my favorite story in royal history since you posted your video on Louis XIV's lovers!
She wasn’t an almost queen though. She was married to someone far down the line of succession. The category I would use for her would be royal wives that weren’t queens. I’d like to see that kind of video too, I love her story. I think she would’ve made a good queen, though if she were in the right position. Her and her husband seem like they would make a good partnership, and I think he would’ve made a good king.
Lindsay I’m from northern Portugal, although culturally closer to us, Galicia is part of Spain not Portugal. Thank you for your wonderful work, I’d love to see more from you on Portugal’s rich history ❤
Thank you for the videos! A great example of how we should never stop learning. We learned a bit about Catherine the Great, Peter the Great, and other Russian leaders. But I imagine it hadn't yet spread to our textbooks about Catherine I's origins!
I can't speak for everyone, but I'd adore a follow-up to this with the "Close, But No Cigar" ladies. (Not that you're lacking for content, most likely, but this could potentially be an ongoing deep dive into the long-term mistresses of royals. After all, there were plenty of 'illegitimate' marriages among the Hanovarians, as you mentioned in your videos on them. ^^;;; )
Hi, Ines de Castro was actually from Galicia, but Galicia is actually a region in Spain, not Portugal. At the time the north of Portugal belonged to Galicia but she was actually born in what nowadays is Spain, very near the current border would Portugal
I would live to see a video on the Mistresses who almost became queens. Thanks to Eleanor Hermann I'm familiar with all the French mistresses but the almost Italian queen is a mystery to me. The Italian monarchy in general isn't familiar to me. Loved this video and the podcast ❤
That first story is one of the few where I feel sorry for the king. He had no say in who he could marry and already loved someone else first. He was just doing his obligation with his wife. It's sad because they had no say in who they could marry and just had to hope they'd learn to love the person with time. 😢 He lost his wife and his love. Probably went insane with grief. Because he probably loved the queen a little or at least her death would still hurt. They should turn that into a movie.
Refreshing to see the British royal family allow divorcees to marry into the family after how much trouble it has caused in the past. (Though I’m still glad Edward VIIl abdicated to be with twice-divorced Wallis Simpson. I think he would’ve been a disastrous King, even as a figurehead.) The divorces amongst themselves probably helped turn the tide within, while general public perception of divorce has also changed drastically in the last 50 years. Thank goodness; all of my uncles have been divorced at least once. I wouldn’t be blessed with my uncles-by-marriage if they hadn’t, and my blood-uncles who have both divorced twice would be miserable and their children worse off. My step-cousins will still always be my cousins. I don’t think it’s shameful or vulgar to end a bad marriage so both people can be free to be happy with better partners. I’m not cool with cheating, though, or leaving someone out of nowhere. Relationships take work, but when it’s beyond fixing, it’s wise and fair to mutually decide to go your separate ways. Princess Diana was SO unhappy in her marriage with Charles. She deserved so much better, especially a long, happy, fulfilling life.
You have forgotten one. A danish one, though she was never known as Queen as the other women on this list was. "Grevinde Danner" as she was called, or perhaps "Countess Danner" who became the third and final wife of Frederik VII of Denmark
These women are never expected to wear the crown, but it turns out they wear crowns and shocked the kingdom. From a small lowest junior position of royal mistress to the big and highest senior position of queen. Snow white father died and his only daughter snow white is legal to become queen, but as Snow white is young and unmarried at that time, her stepmother became queen instead of her.
Just a correction: Galicia (where Ines de Castro was born) is not currently in the north of Portugal, but in the north of Spain, it is precisely the part of Spain that is located in the north of Portugal. Inés de Castro was Spanish. Thank you very much for the good video!
No, Galícia was a reign by its own right until 1800, and was north of Portugal. The reign it's now mostly Spanish territory, but Portugal have a small part of this past kingdom. And in this time Spain isn't Spain, but have smallish kingdoms that could or could not be allied at the time (Leão, Castela, Navarro, etc). So, Ines was from Galícia.
Ines de Castro was Portuguese not Spanish. If she was Spanish why being Queen of Portugal and not Spain? She can't be Queen of Portugal if she wasn't Portuguese.
@@leticiaduarte9840 ??? galicia was not a reign on its own until the 1800, thats insanely wrong. Ines was from galicia of course no one is disputing that, the video says galicia is nowadays northern portugal which is historically wrong today AND back then because back when ines was born, galicia was already part of the kingdom of castille (which later became spain)
@@itsthatgirl98_ she was castillian from galicia defo not portuguese. Also “she cant be queen of portugal if she isnt portuguese” what nonesense is this?? portugal has been having spanish queens for centuries and spain has been having Portuguese queens for centuries as well. Queens all over europe were usually not from the country they reigned, you think marie antoinette was french? I presume you are portuguese yourself, study your countrys history better, youll be surprised bc 90% of portugals queens were foreigners
Your videos are the best, and your knowledge of history is impressive; all so interesting and educative. Of course we always would like to see more.....Thank you for your time and effort; it's most appreciated.
Some of them became queens, but got themselves unpopular due to the hurting a victim in the marriage For Example: Recent years, Princess Diana was a victim in King Charles III and Queen Camilla marriage. When Diana still alive, many were so exciting about the future Queen Diana, but sadly in 1996 they divorce, but Diana still alive and healthy, and would ahve the chance to become The King Mother when William is King. Yet agian, another tragedy pludge the hope slash away, princess Diana was killed in a car crash in Paris, had she not wear the seatbelt she would survived the crash, and this is why teacher, parent taught us wear seatbelt when someone is driving on the car. And when Charles and Camilla get married in 2005, their popularity getting lower and lower, Charles from a 80% popularity young prince in the 1980s, to a almost 30% popularity old king in the 2022. His wife Camilla was less popular even she is royal family, before Camilla ste in Diana marriage, she was just a commoner, but after she step in her popularity starting to from neutral to bad, then after Diana death from bad to worst and when she married Charles from wrost to enemies to the people.
I would like to see a video on Catherine Dolgorukov. I have read quite a bit about her. Her current day ancestors promote themselves as the natural Russian czars of today. Interesting alternative bloodline to the last czar. I would love to see what you come up with. Thanks Lindsay.
There was one lady who did successfully refuse her way to the throne. Maria Eugenia de Palafox y Kirkpatrick kept saying no to sleeping with Napoleon III, until he gave in and married her making her Empress Eugenie of France. I've also heard/read that this may also have applied to Queen Elizabeth Woodville (wife of Edward IV; mother of Edward V; and mother-in-law of Henry VII). Very informative video.
Hi Lynsey love your videos as always Can you do a life and reign of Empress Elizabeth of Russia .or Elizabeta Petrovena in russisn. Her life reign is so interesting and traumatic so I recommend you it thank you for this video Edit sorry if I spelled your name wrong
YES we want a video on those who almost pulled it off? We want videos on all the things. Anything you wanna do, we're here for it because we're all history nerds 🤓
She should just call her The Mistress..that is ALL she will ever be to me. Camilla WHATEVERTHEFKUWANTTOCALLHER will be the reason Australia gets rid of the monarchy.They only JUST made it through the last vote in 1999? .....55/45% The Queen AND Queen Mum were BOTH alive then. No way are we going to vote YES to an idiot who talks to plants and his long term mistress. FYI .........ALL my family have ALWAYS voted to keep the royals.......NOT A SINGLE one of us will vote to keep them now. If it had been William and Kate?? Maybe but I will not vote for Chuck Tampon and Queen Rottweiler of Sleazedom.
I am very interested in history, Since you did a playlist of Queens regnants from around the world, can you do some videos about male consorts from around the world. I would really like to know what titles do various cultures use for the husband of a queen/empress in her own right.
I'm glad poor Karin wasn't executed or had to witness her children being executed. Says a lot that people at the time noticed that she calmed her crazy husband down, but when she couldn't she was the one blamed. I don't know if she was sad to be separated from him in the last years of his life or if maybe she was relieved not to have to worry if he was going to hurt her or the children in a rage. Being the only one to be able to calm an unstable man down could be rewarding, but it was definitely exhausting. So, I'm glad that after he died she was able to live her life in peace and be respected, rather than ostracized. The bit on what happened to her son was sad, but she was trying to save his life.
Camilla is irrelevant to me, but what really shocks me is that Henry fought for *SEVEN* years and blew up the country for it… And he just threw Anne away. It would be funny if she wasn’t murdered so tragically. It is the perfect karma that Anne and Henry’s daughter became arguably the strongest ruler in England history.
Executed not murdered
@@CaptainJackSparrowSavvy Well, being executed on trumped-up charges is tantamount to murder, isn't it?
Yup, pretty ironic.
“camilla is irrelevant to me” 😂😂 brutal
I also love the reason he claimed to want to divorce Catherine of Aragon was because he was married to his brother. Never mind that there was precedent for it throughout other houses of Europe with papal dispensation (which they did have). He was like, “It’s totally fine for me to marry a woman when I slept with her sister!” Until it wasn’t, because he also didn’t get a son from Anne.
The fact that Alfonso got Inês killed in order to prevent her from becoming Queen and Pedro made her Queen anyway was the ultimate "rebel child" move.
Well Alfonso died anyway before he learned that Pedro would posthumously make her Queen. Honestly, it was better that way because you just know Pedro was ready to kill his father for the murder.
From what I heard in this video, Pedro sounded like a badass with the way he stood up for his lover. Inês had a horrible death, but she scored gold in the world of men.
Pedro set the bar very high, ngl lol 😆
I do love that story...Er, except for the Beheading in front of her children but how he gave her the Honors due to her that she was robbed of in life but in death. It's a beautiful love story. I'm surprised a film has not been made of it
@Bitch Yep..and He legitimized their children as well giving them their Honors of Princes and a Princess.
King Pedro's love for his posthumous Queen was the most romantic and tragic love story I've ever heard that's not fiction.
Catherine Parr is definitely a lot more than a nursemaid. She, like Catherine of Aragon before her, was one of the wives Henry trusted to leave as Regent when he went on campaign. She was a loving stepmother to *all* his children, reconciling him with both Mary and Elizabeth. She was a published author in her own right, with her work printed by the king’s printer. She also clearly learned something from the downfalls of some of her predecessors, as when some of her reformist ideas landed her in hot water, she went to plead her case to the king, humbling herself before him, and the appeal worked, with him calling off guards meant to arrest her personally. In fact, Tudor historian Claire Ridgway suggests that she was a combination of a lot of the positive traits of the wives that came before her.
She was a womans rights activist before the Word existed. She convinced Henry to consider his daughters for regency.
@@schneeroseful so true. Katherine of aragon was, as well
True, but with the subject of the video Catherine Parr wasn’t Henry’s mistress. If I remember correctly Henry didn’t go after her until Catherine Howard was already executed.
@@moondivine2288 but she was still atypical for a Queen, and the reasoning given in the video had nothing to do with Henry’s marital status. And an unmarried/widowed King could have a mistress too, because kings didn’t dare marry commoners in most cases.
@@cakt1991 but Henry isn’t most kings lol. He did split from the church when he wanted to marry Anne Boleyn. Because of that Henry’s material status does count. From a book I read on his six wives, when Henry meet Catherine Parr he simply wanted a companion, so Lindsey wasn’t wrong there. Catherine at her end was in love with someone else. She and Henry got married with her being a commoner, a rich one still, not being an issue. Catherine might have started because Henry wanted a nursemaid but, she eventually became more than that.
On another note Anne of Cleves was also dismissed because her marriage with Henry wasn’t consummated. Because of that Lindsey is only counting women who are having sexual relations with the king before marriage.
Thank you for acknowledging that Katherine Howard was raped and probably later coerced. So often she's talked about as a grown woman who was just promiscuous. The reality is that she, like many others at the time, was a sexually abused child. And within her family, she was just a political pawn. Most of the women were, but at least there was some evidence of familial feeling. There's really none when it comes to Katherine. I've always felt very sorry for her.
Exactly she was literally just a child. Poor girl.
A cool anecdote about Inês de Castro. Even to this day, people in Portuguese-speaking countries have a saying that means "it's too late for that now" but which translates directly as "Inês is dead" ('Inês é morta', an archaic construction that survived into modern day).
I've never heard that maybe it's in other parts of Portugal
I’m Portuguese and I’ve never heard that saying. I think it’s a Brazilian saying.
Sou brasileiro e nunca ouvi esse ditado
@@Mariana-ed2kt it’s an old saying so no young people use this anymore, but my grandmothers still use it 😂
Never heard that … not even from my grandparents
Had their societies allowed them to wait and marry people they loved or who they wanted instead of treating woman like sheep to breed and slaughter- a lot of these men and women might have not ended up in these embarrassing and tragic situations
Not always, as in the case of Henry, he just decided he did not want his wife anymore so it makes no difference even though the start of his first marriage was good. Honestly, these men just followed their hormones in many ways. Their original wives took marriage seriously the majority of the time and had to remain faithful or else while their husbands could do whatever they wanted. The problem was that society treated having mistresses as "normal" or just something men do. That is the same attitude the now King of England had from the start. Basically other princes and kings had mistresses, so why cant he. This attitude does not work for us normal people, but for royals somehow their wives just had to grin and bare it.
I truly understand that sentiment but in those days people had to politically marry other people for alliances and increase strength so Ig in those times it was essential minus the happiness of others.
@@NaerysTargaryen26 Henry VIII was not required to marry Katherine. In fact he had to get a dispensation to marry her. It was purely considered a love match.
@S B nothing wrong with a loving and very convenient match
@S B She brought a dowry that was paid in half to her marriage with Arthur. Her father then dragged his feet to pay the other half for ten years. By the time Henry VII died she was planning to return to Spain and become a nun. Henry married her shortly after becoming King. It’s debated if he ever got the remaining 100,000 from Spain as they were no longer as advantageous of a match after the death of her mother and brother in law Phillip, who took over Castille. In fact by 1514 Katherine after all of her fathers broken promises decided to "forget Spain and everything Spanish." She could do this due to having a joint coronation with Henry. It was unusual for Queens to be coronated prior to delivering their first heir during this time period, for exactly the reasons Henry would discover. His haste in marrying Katherine and making her his Queen in spite of only getting half the dowry of his brother, knowing full well that he was unlikely to ever receive the rest, which is highly debated if he ever did made it an unwise match. When Henry inherited the throne from his father we know that Katherine’s original dowry was already spent. By all contemporary accounts he married Katherine because he loved her. He could have made another alliance with far less strings attached that would have been far more beneficial financially and didn’t involve Spain that have proven to be untrustworthy and in the midst of political turmoil.
I appreciate that you told Katherine Howard’s true story, rather than the warped version where everyone thought she was a seductress of some sorts
Catherine was a teenage girl, with no control over her own life. Definitely not a seductress. She was used and discarded
@@leonieromanes7265 I really got that from the musical Six. Her song is heartbreaking. It really gets me interested in royal consorts and mistresses in history. Makes me wonder how many royal mistresses really wanted anything to do with the royal and how many were just pressured by the men in their families to let the king or prince have their way with them and their bodies so the men could have favors. Creepy huh?
She was a child. Henry was a cradle robber
Agreed!!❤😊
You can wear a crown and become a queen but you can also do good for the people and be the queen in their hearts .
Diana said she wished to be Queen of Hearts.
@@michaelflick1177When she died, a lot of the floral tributes left outside the palace featured Queen of Hearts playing cards.
Agreed.
@@michaelflick1177 A bit difficult to do when one has been dead for 25 years
@Michael Flick and she is, camilla is nothing but a royal pretender
“The beautiful 15 year old was taken as a mistress by the 32 year old king.”
Chris Hansen: Why don’t you have a seat?
And to think 15 is the legal age in Sweden even today
@@JuliefromNethin Texas you can marry off your child as young as 12 without them even being present. It's still a thing in many many places.
Ooh, I remember that program with Chris Hansen. They busted a lot of perverts.
@@FantabulousFaillooks like under 16 can only marry with judges approval, but I'm sure it is abused. Looks like the law was changed recently, as it used to be only under 14 needed judges approval. That is sick.
The people have spoken and our lady of historia has delivered
Omg..your so witty..that was good…LMHO…yes, she has spoken.
Little did Henry know that his marriage to Anne Boleyn, and Elizabeth's birth, would be the greatest thing that happened to England.
I used to absolutely idolize E1, until I finally wrapped my head around her behavior in some cases, but there is absolutely no denying that she is one of the most impactful humans who ever lived. She had terrible taste in men tho. I know feel like the "Virgin Queen" business was actually marketing...
Elizabeth was an awful human, she’s nothing to brag about. Insecure and vengeful. One of her favorite past times was torturing animals. She enjoyed bear baiting. She liked to have bears hunted down, then caught tied up with chains then they released the dogs and she watched while the dogs tore the animals to pieces and cried out in pain. Sorry but anyone who can sit and watch that with pleasure is a POS. I don’t think she’s a person to brag about. Just a shitty as her father. If you don’t believe me you’re free to look it up. People who hurt children and animals have no heart!
@@standdownrobots_ihaveoldglorymost definitely marketing, but so what if kings can do it queens can too. 😂
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Exactly!!❤😊
The bloodshed and injustice of elizabeth I was not great at all.
The most famous royal mistress other than Camilla, is none other than Anne Boleyn. It's sad that she was murdered.
Well, not murdered, executed
Her great grandma was a kings side ho his fav one . I guess she wanted to be like her granny she one upped her didnt she
What happened to Katherine of aragon, the woman Henry trusted, feared, loved and admired above anyone, was 10000x sadder
@@kaveriajake2212 She was exiled to a castle, but she was never executed. and he started to hate her, so no its not 10000x sadder,
Maybe that can be a continuous tradition.
It’s funny that I just now realized both the mistress and the name Charles have to do with losing their heads in England. Prophetic, or happy coincidence??
There is a book I have called Royal Love Stories that features Ines de Castro and Pedro. It mentions how he had the hearts of the murderers ripped out, and it also mentions how the faces of the killers are carrying the coffin. It’s a symbolic way of the murders to carry the weight of their sin.
Peerless a little messed up.
Anne Boleyn is the definition of: “Queen, you dropped your 👑”
Well when your head comes off your crown tends to hit the floor as well
Lol yes. Except she wasn't ever a real queen
@@kaveriajake2212 what? She was queen consort from 1533 to 1536. Not very long but she was the queen albeit disputed
@@helend7542 she was a queen consort
@@helend7542 not a queen . A queen CONSORT
I’m a little confused as to why you didn’t include Wu Zetian in this video. She started as a concubine and ended up becoming the first female ruler of China.
Yes! I'd love a video on her!
I would guess it’s because a concubine in an Eastern court is very different culturally than a mistress in a Western one. All concubines are technically considered wives to an extent, even if they aren’t afforded equal status. Whereas Western countries practice monogamy, so mistresses have a certain illicitness and baggage they don’t in the East.
@@vhoughton3153 She already did a video on her.
Maybe because she is a Regnant rather than a consort. All the women in the video are consorts. 🤔
@@cakt1991yes, if the empress cannot give birth to a son, sons of these concubines can access to the throne. And if the son of a concubine is more talent than son of the empress, the emperor can give the throne to son of concubine as well. All the children of concubines are also considered legitimate. Concubines are legal minor wife of the emperor, they have their own title (but empress is the most powerful in harem). Children of concubines also have title prince/princess
This is the best explanation of Anne Boleyn and her reasons, I have ever heard!
The RF made a mistake by separating Charles and Camilla. They clearly loved eachother and she was part of their circle too . Diana could've led a happy life away from this mess if she wed a man who actually loved her
Unfortunately Camilla was not a virgin so wasn't suitable at the time when Charles wanted to marry her. Diana was a sacrificial lamb, had the heir and spare, and unfortunately was left to her own devices so naturally looked for love elsewhere. Charles had hooked up with Camilla again.
So true.. and she would probably still be alive then too.
@@cgkennedy She had no idea how to survive in that vipers nest, innocent and a bit dim as she was. I can't imagine finding out your 'fairytale romance' was all planned by cold hearts. That you were a mere incubator who was required to deliver and behave impeccably no matter what, whose feelings didn't matter. I'd have gone a lot more nusto than Diana did. She'd be a contented Grandma with a nice garden in a quiet mews somewhere now.
I understand people might still love and respect the queen mother (Elizabeth Bowes Lyon). But she was the one who pushed Charles into marrying Diana. Sadly, she wouldn't have even been a part of the royal family herself if George VI had taken no for an answer the first time he proposed. She was worried about losing her freedom. Then she turns around and basically puts Diana in the same position she herself was in. It's a bit scary how the royal family works as the machine it is
Definitely want to see that video about mistresses that ALMOST became Queen!
Agreed!
I would go with the mistress of The first Bourbon King, she was engaged to the king already but she died on childbirth plus just 10 years later her lover became the king of France because he is the only male direct descendant and take her former MIL cousin to be his bride but I do wonder would she be accepted as a consort since her lover was upgraded from a king of a obscure country to the king of one of the coutries
I just watched. Four of them were Henry VIII"s.
Your idea of a video of the ladies who were ALMOST QUEEN is an excellent one. Please do that video.
It's so cool that you mentioned Inês de Castro :) She was the first I thought of when I saw the title of the video, but I wasn't sure that you would include her because she was a posthumous queen. I love seeing my country's history included haha thank you for the interesting video, Lindsay!
King Pedro and Queen Inês's tombs have their feet facing each other, so that when the day of judgment comes and they rise to ascend to heaven, they're face to face with each other once more.
They're tombs are exquisite, hers especially. Pedro really did love her.
This has nothing to do with the video, but I was wondering if you would consider doing a video on Joesphine Baker. You mentioned her in your video on the 1920s, and as you said was “an American performer, dancer, and activist, and a sensation who immigrated to Paris and became a sensation”. She also adopted 12 racially diverse children, and her children were known as the Rainbow Tribe. She was one of the first performers to adopt children via interracial adoption. In addition she was married 4 times, and a close friend of Princess Grace Kelly. 🙂❤️
She was also a spy during WWI. She was an amazing woman! She moved to France because of the racism in the US and she did great there! I believe she was even part of the group of Americans that lived in Paris like Gertrude Stein, Ernest Hemingway and other artists and such.
@@kfemme68 yes, she was!
Hoping you will touch on at least briefly how these men had multiple mistresses- cause they were rarely ever satisfied with just one!
Anne Boleyn was NOT Henry's mistress. She was a woman who was stalked by a lustful king and was caught between a rock and a hard place and legally could NOT say no or turn him down.
Dusties murder women for saying no, while married in 2024...
I cannot imagine how Anne could say no..
How do you say no to a King... She made a lot of excuses and he just kept at it.
@@ayandasperanza530 What or who is a "Dusty"?
I’d personally LOVE to see a video about mistresses who almost became queens!
Please do the “Almost” video! My favorite of the various royal mistresses (alongside the witty Nell Gwynn) is Gabrielle d’Estrees, who would have made a fine queen and died in a particularly gruesome and tragic manner, so close to what would have been her wedding day and coronation. This lady deserves more attention, since she actually put her influence over Henri IV to good use and become one of the reasons the French Wars of Religion finally ended. She did so much good as a mistress-it’s so sad to think of what she could have done as Queen of France and never got the chance to accomplish.
Oooh, thank you for including king erik and karin månsdotter (swedish). It was a love story that still grips the nation, especially that he was later killed by soup.
I'm swedish and I have never heard about it before
I’m sorry, but I do not like Camilla at all. I’m saddened that she is Queen Consort.
Me neither. The “consort” is going to be dropped from her title and she os going to be just “Queen”.
I completely agree with you
Same
I feel she's a stabilizing force for Charles. The nurturing maternal figure he never had.
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I m very interested in learning about Wallis Simpson. So yeah please do make the video about the mistresses who almost became queens. I have binge watched your videos since I have discovered your channel 3 months ago.
There's a video Lindsay did about Wallis Simpson here: th-cam.com/video/EZFFJWEKUAk/w-d-xo.html
I agree’n
The Abdication over Wallis likely saved Britain in WW2, because Edward was more of a Nazi sympathizer than most knew at the time. As was she.
There's actually a video on wallis Simpson
These scripts are always perfect, the narration and editing are flawless. This is one of the best channels.
actually there are often errors
@@garyrowden7150 I found only minor ones and not that often.
@@reniasva but i'm pedantic and facts matter when we talk about history
@@garyrowden7150 Great.
Ines story is amazing, he loved her so much
There is a nice comment in one book - when Anne toppled Catherine she didn't realize that since then all Queens became unsteady.
I like how most all these mistress became Queen Consort and then there just Catherine who became EMPRESS REGNANT
Love the idea of women who nearly became queen, and given your Louis XIV videos I’m not surprised so many came from the French court
I love all of your videos that recognize women in history, so I'd be happy to see the "almost queens" video as well :)
Big DEFINITELY i would love to see the video on almost queens, especially since you included Francoise d'Aubigne (Madame Maintenon) in the list! She's been my favorite story in royal history since you posted your video on Louis XIV's lovers!
I'd love a video on the almost Queen mistresses! How about adding Katherine Swynford in there too? I find her story fascinating!
She wasn’t an almost queen though. She was married to someone far down the line of succession. The category I would use for her would be royal wives that weren’t queens. I’d like to see that kind of video too, I love her story.
I think she would’ve made a good queen, though if she were in the right position. Her and her husband seem like they would make a good partnership, and I think he would’ve made a good king.
Lindsay I’m from northern Portugal, although culturally closer to us, Galicia is part of Spain not Portugal. Thank you for your wonderful work, I’d love to see more from you on Portugal’s rich history ❤
Maybe a part of Galicia is now in Portugal?
Came just to say this, but you where faster.
@@stella-kc7tpShe was born in Limia, which is part of modern Galicia
Please do a video on the mistresses who almost became Queen! That would be fascinating!
Could you please do video(s) of Swedish historical royalty? The story of Karin Månsdotter is so interesting!
Royal Mistresses who almost became Queen sound interesting, i would like to know about it. Hope you made video about it.
Love the video btw ❤
Thank you for the videos! A great example of how we should never stop learning. We learned a bit about Catherine the Great, Peter the Great, and other Russian leaders. But I imagine it hadn't yet spread to our textbooks about Catherine I's origins!
The way that I got a divorce lawyer ad during the part about Henry VIII 😂
Ain't no way 💀💀💀
@@Cryingbutvibing I did. Thank god I’m not married or else it would be a sign 😆
I cannot 💀
I wish you mentioned Barbara Radziwill who became Queen of Poland after she was a mistress and almost caused a civil war.
I definitely want to hear about those who almost became queens
A video on almost-queen consorts would be awesome!
I would love to see a video about (almost) Queen Consorts.
I can't speak for everyone, but I'd adore a follow-up to this with the "Close, But No Cigar" ladies. (Not that you're lacking for content, most likely, but this could potentially be an ongoing deep dive into the long-term mistresses of royals. After all, there were plenty of 'illegitimate' marriages among the Hanovarians, as you mentioned in your videos on them. ^^;;; )
I love your videos!
And yes i would love to see a video of who almost became a queen!
Greetings from germany 🇩🇪 ❤
Another great video! I'd definitely be interested in a video about mistresses who almost became queen!
I'd love a video about the mistresses who almost became queens! BTW, thank you for your wonderful work!
Hi, Ines de Castro was actually from Galicia, but Galicia is actually a region in Spain, not Portugal. At the time the north of Portugal belonged to Galicia but she was actually born in what nowadays is Spain, very near the current border would Portugal
Yes, please do another video Ms holiday. You are my official history, teacher and I love you so much.
Fascinating video, thank you. Yes, it would be a fascinating video if you would do the ladies who "almost" became queens.
Anne Boleyn being a mistress to a King is the greatest thing in the history of England. She gave birth to a legendary monarch who shaped history.
Anne was not a mistress.She was a queen.
I’ve been really looking forward to this- thank you for doing the scheduled videos, it’s cool to be able to see what is coming next!!
I would live to see a video on the Mistresses who almost became queens. Thanks to Eleanor Hermann I'm familiar with all the French mistresses but the almost Italian queen is a mystery to me. The Italian monarchy in general isn't familiar to me. Loved this video and the podcast ❤
I would love to see a video of Royal Mistresses Who ALMOST Became Queens, @Lindsay Holiday. I sincerely appreciate your videos.
12 kids and only 2 survived childhood?! Wow, I couldn't imagine how it feels 😢
I just had to come say you're the BOMB❤ I love this channel
Great video! Just a small correction: The portrait @13:44 is of Queen Krisina of Sweden, not Karin Månsdotter. ☺
Yes, please make a video about the “almost queens of Europe” ❤
That first story is one of the few where I feel sorry for the king. He had no say in who he could marry and already loved someone else first. He was just doing his obligation with his wife. It's sad because they had no say in who they could marry and just had to hope they'd learn to love the person with time. 😢 He lost his wife and his love. Probably went insane with grief. Because he probably loved the queen a little or at least her death would still hurt. They should turn that into a movie.
Diana didn’t know or sign up for this shenanigans
19:42 They are so happy 😮
would absolutely love a video of mistresses who ALMOST became queen. I loved one!!!
Pedro was seriously disturbed!😮
Refreshing to see the British royal family allow divorcees to marry into the family after how much trouble it has caused in the past. (Though I’m still glad Edward VIIl abdicated to be with twice-divorced Wallis Simpson. I think he would’ve been a disastrous King, even as a figurehead.) The divorces amongst themselves probably helped turn the tide within, while general public perception of divorce has also changed drastically in the last 50 years. Thank goodness; all of my uncles have been divorced at least once. I wouldn’t be blessed with my uncles-by-marriage if they hadn’t, and my blood-uncles who have both divorced twice would be miserable and their children worse off. My step-cousins will still always be my cousins. I don’t think it’s shameful or vulgar to end a bad marriage so both people can be free to be happy with better partners. I’m not cool with cheating, though, or leaving someone out of nowhere. Relationships take work, but when it’s beyond fixing, it’s wise and fair to mutually decide to go your separate ways. Princess Diana was SO unhappy in her marriage with Charles. She deserved so much better, especially a long, happy, fulfilling life.
Lindsayyyyyy, you know we are gonna need you to go ahead and make that video on the almost queens!
You have forgotten one. A danish one, though she was never known as Queen as the other women on this list was. "Grevinde Danner" as she was called, or perhaps "Countess Danner" who became the third and final wife of Frederik VII of Denmark
These women are never expected to wear the crown, but it turns out they wear crowns and shocked the kingdom. From a small lowest junior position of royal mistress to the big and highest senior position of queen.
Snow white father died and his only daughter snow white is legal to become queen, but as Snow white is young and unmarried at that time, her stepmother became queen instead of her.
You know Snow White wasn't a real person, right??? Disney can make up his own rules about inheritance...
Yes I want a video about the mistresses who were almost queens please!
Henry allowing Anne to be killed for his legacy and then her daughter ending the dynasty with her is amazing karma.
Yes please do a video on mistresses that were almost queens!😊
Anne Boleyn is my favorite 😊 thank you for sharing😊
Just a correction: Galicia (where Ines de Castro was born) is not currently in the north of Portugal, but in the north of Spain, it is precisely the part of Spain that is located in the north of Portugal. Inés de Castro was Spanish.
Thank you very much for the good video!
Galicia is the land of Los gallegos.
No, Galícia was a reign by its own right until 1800, and was north of Portugal. The reign it's now mostly Spanish territory, but Portugal have a small part of this past kingdom. And in this time Spain isn't Spain, but have smallish kingdoms that could or could not be allied at the time (Leão, Castela, Navarro, etc). So, Ines was from Galícia.
Ines de Castro was Portuguese not Spanish. If she was Spanish why being Queen of Portugal and not Spain? She can't be Queen of Portugal if she wasn't Portuguese.
@@leticiaduarte9840 ??? galicia was not a reign on its own until the 1800, thats insanely wrong. Ines was from galicia of course no one is disputing that, the video says galicia is nowadays northern portugal which is historically wrong today AND back then because back when ines was born, galicia was already part of the kingdom of castille (which later became spain)
@@itsthatgirl98_ she was castillian from galicia defo not portuguese. Also “she cant be queen of portugal if she isnt portuguese” what nonesense is this?? portugal has been having spanish queens for centuries and spain has been having Portuguese queens for centuries as well. Queens all over europe were usually not from the country they reigned, you think marie antoinette was french? I presume you are portuguese yourself, study your countrys history better, youll be surprised bc 90% of portugals queens were foreigners
This was so fascinating! Yes, please do a video on royal mistresses who almost became queen!
Oh yes, please do a video on the “almost Queens” it sounds very interesting.
Your videos are the best, and your knowledge of history is impressive; all so interesting and educative. Of course we always would like to see more.....Thank you for your time and effort; it's most appreciated.
Some of them became queens, but got themselves unpopular due to the hurting a victim in the marriage
For Example:
Recent years, Princess Diana was a victim in King Charles III and Queen Camilla marriage. When Diana still alive, many were so exciting about the future Queen Diana, but sadly in 1996 they divorce, but Diana still alive and healthy, and would ahve the chance to become The King Mother when William is King. Yet agian, another tragedy pludge the hope slash away, princess Diana was killed in a car crash in Paris, had she not wear the seatbelt she would survived the crash, and this is why teacher, parent taught us wear seatbelt when someone is driving on the car. And when Charles and Camilla get married in 2005, their popularity getting lower and lower, Charles from a 80% popularity young prince in the 1980s, to a almost 30% popularity old king in the 2022. His wife Camilla was less popular even she is royal family, before Camilla ste in Diana marriage, she was just a commoner, but after she step in her popularity starting to from neutral to bad, then after Diana death from bad to worst and when she married Charles from wrost to enemies to the people.
Homerecking and gaslighting are never popular
Still unsuitable and quietly venomous!!
Diana herself got involved with married men, and was the cause of at least one divorce.
I would like to see a video on Catherine Dolgorukov. I have read quite a bit about her. Her current day ancestors promote themselves as the natural Russian czars of today. Interesting alternative bloodline to the last czar. I would love to see what you come up with. Thanks Lindsay.
There was one lady who did successfully refuse her way to the throne. Maria Eugenia de Palafox y Kirkpatrick kept saying no to sleeping with Napoleon III, until he gave in and married her
making her Empress Eugenie of France. I've also heard/read that this may also have applied to Queen Elizabeth Woodville (wife of Edward IV; mother of Edward V; and mother-in-law of Henry VII). Very informative video.
Can you do a video about the Luxembourg sisters? Like Marie-Adelaide, Charlotte, Hilda, Antonia, Elisabeth and Sophie?
Hi Lynsey love your videos as always Can you do a life and reign of Empress Elizabeth of Russia .or Elizabeta Petrovena in russisn. Her life reign is so interesting and traumatic so I recommend you it thank you for this video
Edit sorry if I spelled your name wrong
Ooh, yes please😮
I vote for this too😊
Ty for your support ❤
A 15 year old becomes a mistress to a 32 year old king is sickening!
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Henry's wives first come to mind but now I remember I read an article in a popular science magazine about Pedro and Inez gruesome story
YES we want a video on those who almost pulled it off?
We want videos on all the things. Anything you wanna do, we're here for it because we're all history nerds 🤓
Yes!! I would love to see the Mistresses who *almost* became Queen!
Honestly, these are the kinds of videos I like
I would really love to see a video on mistresses who almost became queen Lindsay 👸 ❤
The way I screamed when you said "he must have found his way into his wife's bed at least once." LMFAO!!
Um yes please! Would LOVEEE to see a "mistresses who ALMOST became queen" video
"..... after cutting things off with Anne...." 😮😊😜
Good one!
I'm glad that you are using Camilla's maiden name rather than her former married last name.
Why ?
Yeah...why??
Rottweiler
She should just call her The Mistress..that is ALL she will ever be to me. Camilla WHATEVERTHEFKUWANTTOCALLHER will be the reason Australia gets rid of the monarchy.They only JUST made it through the last vote in 1999? .....55/45% The Queen AND Queen Mum were BOTH alive then. No way are we going to vote YES to an idiot who talks to plants and his long term mistress. FYI .........ALL my family have ALWAYS voted to keep the royals.......NOT A SINGLE one of us will vote to keep them now. If it had been William and Kate?? Maybe but I will not vote for Chuck Tampon and Queen Rottweiler of Sleazedom.
I am very interested in history, Since you did a playlist of Queens regnants from around the world, can you do some videos about male consorts from around the world. I would really like to know what titles do various cultures use for the husband of a queen/empress in her own right.
I'm glad poor Karin wasn't executed or had to witness her children being executed. Says a lot that people at the time noticed that she calmed her crazy husband down, but when she couldn't she was the one blamed. I don't know if she was sad to be separated from him in the last years of his life or if maybe she was relieved not to have to worry if he was going to hurt her or the children in a rage. Being the only one to be able to calm an unstable man down could be rewarding, but it was definitely exhausting. So, I'm glad that after he died she was able to live her life in peace and be respected, rather than ostracized. The bit on what happened to her son was sad, but she was trying to save his life.
YES? bring us a fabulous video of the almost Queen's...give us all the details!!!
Are we fooling ourselves to think that many of these were “mistresses” rather than victims of abuse and rape (not to mention murder).
Women often did not have a choice if the king’s eye fell upon them.
Most mistresses are actually just "pawns" of their family members who wanted to get higher positions. :(
And life goes on. Thank you for posting.