I can't help but delight in how much her lovers whine and complain at having no control over Catherine even tho they were treated much better by Catherine than most men treated their mistresses throughout history. What's good for the goose...
So Paul put her a law saying that the crown could not go to women or through women, but his claim to the throne was through his grandmother Anna, the daughter of Peter the Great. So with his law he shouldn't have been czar at all. I always wonder why Nicholas the second didn't repeal that one. Women had been Czarina regnant. Why not just restore the law and take away the hundred-year-old Loft and go back to the way it had been before that
Me too. I mean you would have to have a really misogynistic way of thinking if you can't handle a queen or empress taking lovers, the same way a king or emperor would. Not to mention double standards have always been a thing.
The horse thing was mentioned on The Big Bang Theory. It’s a myth like Marie Antoinette saying “let them eat cake.” But I think it’s that over time it was a way to say women who held power did something evil. Joanna of Castille being crazy, Elizabeth I being a man, all the plots of against Mary Queen of Scots, and even how history has portrayed Catherine de Medici.
26:57 it was rumored that the artist Borovikovsky, who painted this very portrait of her, was also one of her lovers. It is said she was quite upset with him for showing her in such an informal way, wearing a morning gown, as if they'd just had "relations". The painting was allegedly never publicly displayed during Catherine's remaining years.
Why am I starting to get the impression that almost every European nation was saved from the brink of total collapse by having a woman ruler at one time or another? Less incompetence, less corruption, more reforms.
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@@BenSmith-lv2yl Matilda, Queen Elizabeth the first, catherine the great, Queen Victoria, and Queen Elizabeth the second were just plainly wonderful and intelligent rulers, the opinion was the same in an age where women were hardly seen as people, and that is documented. So that tells me all I need to know
Actually... We can't say for sure that Sergei Saltykov was Paul's father, either. There's actually quite a lot of evidence as to Peter being Paul's father. From what I understand, I dont think Catherine knew who really was Paul's father. In the earlier version of her diary, she wrote that Sergei Saltykov was definitely Paul's father because she had no interest in Peter whatsoever. Yet, in the final version of her memoir, that was later given to her son Paul, she claims that Peter was definitely Paul's father because, she felt it was her duty to produce a true Romanov heir for Russia. Only after Paul's birth was she allowed by Empress Elizabeth to have lovers once her duty in producing a strong male heir was done. Furthermore, let's face it, Paul had a rather striking resemblance to Peter and apparently shared the same mental malady that Peter had, as well. Catherine literally stated that she hated him for being Peter's son.
@@cesarzpontu8886 He? I'm talking about diplomats from other countries who documented their own observations of Paul while visiting Catherine's Court. Like I said, we for sure don't know who his father was because Catherine didn't really seem to know which one was his father for sure. Until they do a DNA test on his remains, we don't know.
Nicely done, Lindsay. I love "The Great" Normally I hate inaccurate historical dramas but The Great is sooooo farcical that it can hardly be considered a drama at all. Its more of a satirical comedy. I do think this kind of history representation has a place in today's society. No one watching it , even if they have zero knowledge of Russian history, could possibly think many of those events portrayed were truthful. This in itself encourages fans to dig into history just to satisfy their curiosity. Huzzah!!! It has promoted an educational endevour. 😀
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@@sharlagardner what about the series showing all american presidents as pedos, as is in fact case with all of usa's founders and everyone on mount rushmore? was that "hilarious and well done" too? do tell.
Huzzah! I just finished this show the other day and this video was recommended. I love the show. I thought I wouldn’t because it’s not historically accurate in so many ways. But no. The show was awesome. I cried when Peter died 😅
I love The Great simply because it’s funny. I know they are taking liberties with history. The supporting characters make it even more entertaining. Aunt Elizabeth is one of my favorite characters. Peeing on hay for a pregnancy test and having a frog on her pregnant belly are just funny.
The hay kind of works per research into ancient Egyptian use of the technique. The frog is a reference to how using frog ovulation in labs used to be a pregnancy test before the modern one
@@FishBoneD14 I figured there was something from history that was similar. The doctor is kooky and Aunt Elizabeth gets involved. And of course, there are lemon tops used for contraception. I think it’s kind of mocking and showing the fact that Russia was far behind the main European powers.
Yeah crazy Aunt Elizabeth is funny, but I still think it would have been even funnier if they'd followed history a bit more. Imagine the exact same character with the same antics but in the first season she's the Empress, in charge. I think it would have been even more hilarious. Not to mention that, when she goes on about having sex with Peter the Great, I know in the show she's talking about her brother-in-law, but he was actually her father, so...eewww.
@@danaglabeman6919 I know. It would be kinda funny if she was the empress and molding Catherine. But in a way, she’s doing that. She wants Catherine to have another baby and she kidnaps Paul. I think some of the way she acts in the show is reaction to the trauma from brutality of living at that court.
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I just finished re-reading "Catherine the Great: Portrait of a Woman" by Robert K. Massie, it's a great read, by the way. Perhaps you could do a video on Tsarina Elizabeth, Peter's aunt. It's so fascinating that this woman almost became Catherine the Great's aunt, because she was engaged to Catherine's maternal uncle. Unfortunately, he died on his way to Russia to marry her. Everyone close to Elizabeth died; her father, Peter the Great, her mother, Catherine I (who was born a peasant), her sister Anna (Peter's mother), and her betrothed. And after her mother died, Elizabeth was passed over for the crown at least 3 times, her half-brother's son became emperor, then her father's half-brother's daughter, Tsarina Anna, then Anna's great-nephew, an infant. At last, Elizabeth seized the throne through a bloodless coup and threw the infant Tsar Ivan VI into prison where he remained until he was killed almost 3 decades later when Catherine the Great seized the throne from her husband. I love Catherine the Great, she's one of my favorite female historical figures. What a woman! With all the things she accomplished, she really deserved the title "the Great".
I, too, have read Massie's book on Catherine. Really good book. I've read some of his other books, including the one on Peter the Great which is also very good.
1:10 “But in reality, Peter was the one who was impotent, and the couple probably never consummated their marriage.” I have to stop and add correction here, because this statement, while based on Catherine’s own implications in the early versions of her memoirs (that had serious political reasoning behind such claims, primarily with the goal of diminishing Paul’s claim to the throne, which bettered her own claim) I think presenting Saltykov as Paul’s undisputed father is misleading and ignores a significant amount of historical evidence which points to Peter being Paul’s actual sire. I think it is important to consider Paul’s date of birth and likely conception when considering paternity. Paul was born in September 1754, meaning he was conceived around New Years 1754. Catherine is known to have spent New Years 1754 with Empress Elisabeth, which means Catherine would be unable to spend time with Saltykov and had to plenty of time (forcibly) alone with Peter in which Paul was likely conceived. Peter acknowledging Paul as his son is also another point towards Peter being Paul’s father. While Peter and Empress Elisabeth were incredibly cold towards Catherine’s known illegitimate children, they treated Paul warmly, proudly announced his birth, presented him at court, and supervised his education. This is in comparison to Catherine’s known illegitimate daughter Anna who received none of those things. Catherine’s hatred of Paul, in comparison to her loving her other children (known to not be fathered by Peter), also likely stems from him being Peter’s son. Catherine projected her hatred towards his father onto him, and had to be reminded that her heir was not sired by one of her handsome lovers, but by a man she despised and overthrew. Paul acted a living personal reminder that Peter lived on and that Paul would continue Peter’s bloodline. Finally, I think one need only look at portraits of Paul and Peter to see the clear similarities in physical appearance. Although Catherine and Saltykov were handsome, Peter and Paul were not. Paul resembled so much of Peter in his appearance and mannerisms (another reason Catherine hated him). I think that all these factors act as evidence that point towards Peter being Paul’s biological father. Although stating Saltykov is undoubtedly Paul’s father certainly works towards increasing the scandal of Catherine’s story, I think that it is important to include the counter evidence as it can lead to a greater, and likely more accurate, image of history
Thank you for pointing this out! I was coming to say this myself. Denying that Paul was sired by Peter simply perpetuates the same sort of misinformation that has people thinking she had relations with a horse.
I've never believed Paul was anyone but Peter's son. The portraits and the accounts of their characters/personalities are twinning so hard, it would be the most ironic coincidence in Russian history if he wasn't his father. But Alexander II said he was happy either way, since either the family was legitimate, or it was truly Russian instead of all German, so I don't think they worried about it. Czaritsas with no blood claim to the throne had been the heirs of their husbands before Catherine, and Czars had a lot of power in naming their own heirs, so it would have been much more important for dynastic purposes that he was the son and chosen heir of the current ruler than who his father was.
Thank you! I also pointed out something similar in my comment, but I'm glad someone else also pointed this out. Not to mention, it's said that Paul showed signs of the same mental illness that Peter had; another reason Paul was later despised as an Emperor and assassinated.
Hey Lindsay, I would like to make a video request about Queen Min (or Queen Myeongsang) of 19th century Chosan Korea. She was one of the most powerful and ambitious queens who pushed for Korean independence from China, but she met an untimely demise from assassination. I wholly appreciate you if you make a video about her.
I love The Great, as long as you go into it realizing that about the only resemblance it has to history is that there were rulers of Russia named Peter and Catherine. Nicholas Hoult does an amazing job as Peter. I've very rarely gone from vehemently rooting for a character's murder to rooting for him to live (and back and forth several times) in the space of a season or two. It's definitely not everyone's cup of tea, but it's firmly on my guilty pleasure list!
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I also find the parts where Peter is insisting on spending time with Catherine while she’s pregnant so he can “co-parent” funny. There’s fighting and shooting going on and Peter’s like, “hi Paul. Daddy loves you.” Then he’s wearing Paul as a newborn and is kind of a house husband. It’s so silly, because it takes some modern ideas and puts them in 18th century context. Plus, Catherine tries to be rational and everyone is like, “that’s weird.”
Yes! Tell them! It irks me everytime pple criticize historical dramas for their inaccuracy yet it's only just meant for fun. Why do pple waste time fact-checking instead of enjoying a good show?
Bridgerton Queen Charlotte literally had a written disclaimer at the beginning warning that it’s “fiction based on fact” and there were STILL a ton of people complaining that it wasn’t historically accurate. People are really frustrated that a show that begins with the narrator saying it wasn’t historically accurate was … historically inaccurate 😂
26:33 Not quit. It's a much longer story. In 1795 was the third partition of Poland. Before that, there were two more in 1772 and 1793. Maria Theresa took part in only one in 1772. She died in 1780. So she might have had a little problem taking part in the third. It was a hard time. We Poles had quite a difficult "friendship" with Catharine II... :D
After our dearest Lindsay graced us Europeans with her visit, she uploads a great video about Catherine the Great. Thanks for the work you put into it. A wonderful video, as always.
Do you know about the 2014 TV series Ekaterina? I think it paints a more accurate picture, though of course, it's also a drama. I especially liked how the first season also portrays Peter's own complex issues, which makes one almost feel sorry for him. It's really quite interesting
If Catherine's husband was truly impotent and couldn't biologically father a child, then that would mean that as far as the actual bloodline goes, no other tsars after that would have been true Romanovs by blood - only by name. I would hate to think that the 300 year Romanov dynasty actually biologically ended after her husband died. In royalty, lineage and bloodlines are crucial.
Even though Paul I wasn't the biological son of Peter III, he & his descendants can still claim the Russian throne through Catherine because Catherine had deposed Peter & was publicly acclaimed as monarch. The son of the person who became monarch by deposing the predecessor does have a legitimate claim to the throne. If Paul was truly illegitimate, then the House of Holstein-Gottorp-Romanov would be actually the House of Catherine.
@@anubratabit3027 As stated in my original post, I was talking about the actual BLOODLINE. A long time ago, bloodlines were very important to royals. Catherine the Great was a Romanov in name only. She wasn't part of the Romanov bloodline. Today, I guess lineage and bloodlines aren't all that important, but they certainly were important during Catherine's time.
Her great-grandson, Alexander II, remarked that if Paul was Peter's son he was delighted, as it meant the Imperial family was legitimate, and if Paul was Saltykov's son he was delighted, as it meant the family was truly Russian. Shows how seriously they took the idea. I personally don't know: for all the historical sources, including Catherine herself, claiming Peter was impotent, wasn't Paul's father, etc., he looked and acted SO much like Peter. It's a little too much of a coincidence for me that Paul somehow inherited the face and personality of the one person everyone says couldn't be his father. 🤔
Was watching The Great and didn't want to burn out on it.. so I watched an episode of Law & Order ...Elle was just a little girl in it. Such a huge shift. She's always been a great actress
The story that Peter III was impotent is likely false. He may have had phimosis and after an operation was able to perform the sexual act. In the final edition of Catherine's memoirs, she admitted that Peter was the father of Paul after all.
Exactly. Those 18th century painters really did a number on everyone they drew. No one comes out looking good in their work. Either that or everyone in the Russian upper classes was an over dressed fugly. 😂
@@s.h.7613 Someone above wrote that 'there's not a chin to be found' in any of these portraits. 😁 Wonder what the subjects of the paintings had to say back in the day.
The town of Zerbst in present-day Saxony-Anhalt in Germany, where Catherine came from, is my dad's home town. This geographical connection to Catherine is one of the few bits of pride he allows himself :)
Fun fact Stanisław was one of the worst King of PLC in history . He spent a lot of money for his lovers and many people in PLC want to kill or do something to him .
Like some of those Elizabeth I movies, they didn't have to make up stories about the Empress Catherine when her own life was interesting and entertaining enough to keep viewers engaged.
There was a miniseries in the early 1990s that was more historically accurate than the new show with a terrific cast. It was called Young Catherine with Julia Ormond as Catherine/Sophie along with greats like Vanessa Redgrave, Christopher Plummer and many other notable talents. I highly recommend it if you can find it to watch. I wish we could get it re-released. It’s a must watch.
Amazing episode Lindsay. I'd love to see a video on Catherine Cornaro, the last monarch of Cyprus since I noticed you have an image of her on your History Tea Time logo but I don't think you've done a video on her yet. I'm sure your aware of just how interesting a life she had from her time as Queen Consort, Regent and eventual troublesome reign of Cyprus as Monarch.
@@savagedarksider2147What does Empress Elizabeth & Elizabeth (not sure exactly who you are referring to here) have to do with Catherine Cornaro of Cyprus?
Hmmm. Historians generally agree that Paul was indeed Peter's true son. Contemparies of the day noted Paul's undenial resemblance to his father (Peter), particularly as he grew older, as well as their similar personalities.
@@FlamsteretteAgreed. To my ears, it has more than elements. It's unmistakable there's no reprieve. Every interesting thumbnail makes me think ::sigh:: how long can I listen to this one without wanting to scream?
@@user-wg3sz9fr2z She has great content, but as shown in her Coronation videos, she doesn't ALWAYS sound like that. Get back to your normal everyday voice.
The humming at the end of every sentence was too excruciatingly painful and annoying to listen to. I couldn’t get past the 1:30 mark. It sounds too much like the Kardashians talk with the mmmmm at the end of nearly every word.
Can you please do a video on The Duchess of Devonshire Georgiana Spencer or Cavendish? Her life fascinates me because she was stuck in such a horrible situation.
1:20 That’s not true everyone said Paul looked exactly like his dad and behaved like him as well. Paul was definitely Peter’s son. She had 2 kids with other men though and Peter really didn’t seem to care much.
Peter was not impotent. He had a mistress and if impotent she would definitely have stated that. Let’s face it, the Russian court then was not exactly subtle and secretive
The Great is a fun show but it is pretty fun how opposite the characters were from the real people. Catherine is a great bit less competent in the show but also a lot more sympathetic (they show her as pro-freedom of religion when actually Peter was nicer to the religious minorities and she was quite antisemitic)
Let the thunder of victory rumble! Russian pride is running high! Russia’s glory sparkles brighter, We have humbled Muslim might! Chorus: Glory be to thee for this, O Catherine! Glory be to thee for this, O Catherine! Gentle mother of us all! Gentle mother of us all! Glory be to thee for this, O Catherine! Gentle mother of us all! The flowing waters of the Danube, Are grasped within our firm hands Caucasus respects our power, Russia rules Crimean lands. Turkish-Tatar hordes no longer Shall disturb our calm domain, Proud Selim shall not be stronger, Evermore as the crescent wanes. (Chorus) Groans of Sinai are repeated, Around the world are heard perforce, Envy and enmity are defeated, Turn to poison at the source. Make the most of every triumph, And soon our foes shall see; That Russia reaches ever higher, Over the highest mountains and deepest seas. (Chorus) Brilliant Empress, gaze at visions, And behold a woman great, In thy thoughts and thy decisions, As one heart we all partake! See the grand cathedrals’ splendor, Contemplate our strength and grace! See thy subjects’ hearts surrender, As they look upon thy face! Glory be to thee for this, O Catherine! Glory be to thee for this, O Catherine! Gentle mother of us all! Gentle mother of us all! Glory be to thee for this, O Catherine, Gentle mother of us all!
Glad that Katherine took the thrown from her husband, he didn't seem like king material at all. And after one useless king I don't blame her for not marrying again
“To distract the emperor who liked to watch things burn” killed me.
Anything to distract that man xD
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I was not sure if I should be disturbed, laugh, or both.
Replace emperor with president and that’s America in 2025
I can't help but delight in how much her lovers whine and complain at having no control over Catherine even tho they were treated much better by Catherine than most men treated their mistresses throughout history. What's good for the goose...
they were treated better than her own husband treated her
And the fact that they were given extremely large salaries too…
So the Romanovs weren't Romanovs
they were complaining about the power imbalance like so its fine when its the other way around but now u complain?
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Emperor Paul's petty grudge against his mother is what inevitably ended the Romanov dynasty by only allowing men to take the throne after him.
Especially not letting the throne pass through women at all. Even with that small concession succession becomes we less precarious.
If what we heard was true. He wasn’t even a Romanov. The line, in effect, died with the previous Czar.
@@oliviaspring9690 yeah then it wouldn't have been such a pressing issue for Nicholas II as his eldest daughter could've succeeded him.
So Paul put her a law saying that the crown could not go to women or through women, but his claim to the throne was through his grandmother Anna, the daughter of Peter the Great. So with his law he shouldn't have been czar at all.
I always wonder why Nicholas the second didn't repeal that one. Women had been Czarina regnant. Why not just restore the law and take away the hundred-year-old Loft and go back to the way it had been before that
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I always thought that if anything, she was demonized rather than sanitized, considering how many people believe the horse myth
Same!
Me too. I mean you would have to have a really misogynistic way of thinking if you can't handle a queen or empress taking lovers, the same way a king or emperor would. Not to mention double standards have always been a thing.
The Great is a show on Hulu that strongly glosses over the more scandalous parts of her history.
The horse thing was mentioned on The Big Bang Theory. It’s a myth like Marie Antoinette saying “let them eat cake.” But I think it’s that over time it was a way to say women who held power did something evil. Joanna of Castille being crazy, Elizabeth I being a man, all the plots of against Mary Queen of Scots, and even how history has portrayed Catherine de Medici.
@@PrincessQ-fj9lythey’re talking abt the Hulu show on Catherine that glosses over a large portion of her history
26:57 it was rumored that the artist Borovikovsky, who painted this very portrait of her, was also one of her lovers. It is said she was quite upset with him for showing her in such an informal way, wearing a morning gown, as if they'd just had "relations". The painting was allegedly never publicly displayed during Catherine's remaining years.
That's like the 18th-century equivalent of a deep fake
One of the most fascinating and complex people in European Royalty.
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Why am I starting to get the impression that almost every European nation was saved from the brink of total collapse by having a woman ruler at one time or another? Less incompetence, less corruption, more reforms.
And less pointless wars meant for ego-stroking/"glory"
Probably because of the more feminist leaning tone of the day. History is read with the glasses of our own prejudices and biases
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And when France was in Problem my Boy Napoleon there to save it
@@BenSmith-lv2yl Matilda, Queen Elizabeth the first, catherine the great, Queen Victoria, and Queen Elizabeth the second were just plainly wonderful and intelligent rulers, the opinion was the same in an age where women were hardly seen as people, and that is documented. So that tells me all I need to know
Catherine's lover's aren't shit compared to royal men's. Such absolute bullshit. What's good for the Gander is good for the Goose!!
Actually... We can't say for sure that Sergei Saltykov was Paul's father, either.
There's actually quite a lot of evidence as to Peter being Paul's father. From what I understand, I dont think Catherine knew who really was Paul's father. In the earlier version of her diary, she wrote that Sergei Saltykov was definitely Paul's father because she had no interest in Peter whatsoever.
Yet, in the final version of her memoir, that was later given to her son Paul, she claims that Peter was definitely Paul's father because, she felt it was her duty to produce a true Romanov heir for Russia. Only after Paul's birth was she allowed by Empress Elizabeth to have lovers once her duty in producing a strong male heir was done.
Furthermore, let's face it, Paul had a rather striking resemblance to Peter and apparently shared the same mental malady that Peter had, as well. Catherine literally stated that she hated him for being Peter's son.
Striking resemblence on portraits doesn't mean anything.
@@cesarzpontu8886 That and contemporaries at the time said he looked exactly like Peter
@@areiaaphrodite he said that so his claim was stronger. It would be embarassing to have bastard, without romanov blood on throne.
@@cesarzpontu8886 He? I'm talking about diplomats from other countries who documented their own observations of Paul while visiting Catherine's Court. Like I said, we for sure don't know who his father was because Catherine didn't really seem to know which one was his father for sure. Until they do a DNA test on his remains, we don't know.
@@areiaaphrodite yeah because diplomats don't live, sure...
Nicely done, Lindsay. I love "The Great" Normally I hate inaccurate historical dramas but The Great is sooooo farcical that it can hardly be considered a drama at all. Its more of a satirical comedy. I do think this kind of history representation has a place in today's society. No one watching it , even if they have zero knowledge of Russian history, could possibly think many of those events portrayed were truthful. This in itself encourages fans to dig into history just to satisfy their curiosity. Huzzah!!! It has promoted an educational endevour. 😀
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Huzzah!!! Love that series. It's hilarious and well done. Huzzah!!
@@sharlagardner what about the series showing all american presidents as pedos, as is in fact case with all of usa's founders and everyone on mount rushmore? was that "hilarious and well done" too? do tell.
Exactly why I’m here. I loved the great so much that I had to go search for the truth
Huzzah! I just finished this show the other day and this video was recommended. I love the show. I thought I wouldn’t because it’s not historically accurate in so many ways. But no. The show was awesome. I cried when Peter died 😅
I love The Great simply because it’s funny. I know they are taking liberties with history. The supporting characters make it even more entertaining. Aunt Elizabeth is one of my favorite characters. Peeing on hay for a pregnancy test and having a frog on her pregnant belly are just funny.
The hay kind of works per research into ancient Egyptian use of the technique. The frog is a reference to how using frog ovulation in labs used to be a pregnancy test before the modern one
@@FishBoneD14 I figured there was something from history that was similar. The doctor is kooky and Aunt Elizabeth gets involved. And of course, there are lemon tops used for contraception. I think it’s kind of mocking and showing the fact that Russia was far behind the main European powers.
Yeah crazy Aunt Elizabeth is funny, but I still think it would have been even funnier if they'd followed history a bit more. Imagine the exact same character with the same antics but in the first season she's the Empress, in charge. I think it would have been even more hilarious. Not to mention that, when she goes on about having sex with Peter the Great, I know in the show she's talking about her brother-in-law, but he was actually her father, so...eewww.
@@danaglabeman6919 I know. It would be kinda funny if she was the empress and molding Catherine. But in a way, she’s doing that. She wants Catherine to have another baby and she kidnaps Paul. I think some of the way she acts in the show is reaction to the trauma from brutality of living at that court.
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So much about Catherine's early marriage makes me think she lived most of those years with 'FML' hanging right behind her eyes
I just finished re-reading "Catherine the Great: Portrait of a Woman" by Robert K. Massie, it's a great read, by the way. Perhaps you could do a video on Tsarina Elizabeth, Peter's aunt. It's so fascinating that this woman almost became Catherine the Great's aunt, because she was engaged to Catherine's maternal uncle. Unfortunately, he died on his way to Russia to marry her. Everyone close to Elizabeth died; her father, Peter the Great, her mother, Catherine I (who was born a peasant), her sister Anna (Peter's mother), and her betrothed. And after her mother died, Elizabeth was passed over for the crown at least 3 times, her half-brother's son became emperor, then her father's half-brother's daughter, Tsarina Anna, then Anna's great-nephew, an infant. At last, Elizabeth seized the throne through a bloodless coup and threw the infant Tsar Ivan VI into prison where he remained until he was killed almost 3 decades later when Catherine the Great seized the throne from her husband. I love Catherine the Great, she's one of my favorite female historical figures. What a woman! With all the things she accomplished, she really deserved the title "the Great".
I, too, have read Massie's book on Catherine. Really good book. I've read some of his other books, including the one on Peter the Great which is also very good.
The bedding ceremonies of these ancient royals were just pure comedy.
1:10 “But in reality, Peter was the one who was impotent, and the couple probably never consummated their marriage.”
I have to stop and add correction here, because this statement, while based on Catherine’s own implications in the early versions of her memoirs (that had serious political reasoning behind such claims, primarily with the goal of diminishing Paul’s claim to the throne, which bettered her own claim) I think presenting Saltykov as Paul’s undisputed father is misleading and ignores a significant amount of historical evidence which points to Peter being Paul’s actual sire.
I think it is important to consider Paul’s date of birth and likely conception when considering paternity. Paul was born in September 1754, meaning he was conceived around New Years 1754. Catherine is known to have spent New Years 1754 with Empress Elisabeth, which means Catherine would be unable to spend time with Saltykov and had to plenty of time (forcibly) alone with Peter in which Paul was likely conceived.
Peter acknowledging Paul as his son is also another point towards Peter being Paul’s father. While Peter and Empress Elisabeth were incredibly cold towards Catherine’s known illegitimate children, they treated Paul warmly, proudly announced his birth, presented him at court, and supervised his education. This is in comparison to Catherine’s known illegitimate daughter Anna who received none of those things.
Catherine’s hatred of Paul, in comparison to her loving her other children (known to not be fathered by Peter), also likely stems from him being Peter’s son. Catherine projected her hatred towards his father onto him, and had to be reminded that her heir was not sired by one of her handsome lovers, but by a man she despised and overthrew. Paul acted a living personal reminder that Peter lived on and that Paul would continue Peter’s bloodline.
Finally, I think one need only look at portraits of Paul and Peter to see the clear similarities in physical appearance. Although Catherine and Saltykov were handsome, Peter and Paul were not. Paul resembled so much of Peter in his appearance and mannerisms (another reason Catherine hated him).
I think that all these factors act as evidence that point towards Peter being Paul’s biological father.
Although stating Saltykov is undoubtedly Paul’s father certainly works towards increasing the scandal of Catherine’s story, I think that it is important to include the counter evidence as it can lead to a greater, and likely more accurate, image of history
Wow! 😮 That was news to me. I honestly didn't know that until now. You have such a keen eye for details! 😊
Very interesting!
Thank you for pointing this out! I was coming to say this myself. Denying that Paul was sired by Peter simply perpetuates the same sort of misinformation that has people thinking she had relations with a horse.
I've never believed Paul was anyone but Peter's son. The portraits and the accounts of their characters/personalities are twinning so hard, it would be the most ironic coincidence in Russian history if he wasn't his father. But Alexander II said he was happy either way, since either the family was legitimate, or it was truly Russian instead of all German, so I don't think they worried about it. Czaritsas with no blood claim to the throne had been the heirs of their husbands before Catherine, and Czars had a lot of power in naming their own heirs, so it would have been much more important for dynastic purposes that he was the son and chosen heir of the current ruler than who his father was.
Thank you! I also pointed out something similar in my comment, but I'm glad someone else also pointed this out.
Not to mention, it's said that Paul showed signs of the same mental illness that Peter had; another reason Paul was later despised as an Emperor and assassinated.
“Oh, he must’ve died of hemorrhoids” is so disrespectful, I absolutely love it 😂
Hey Lindsay, I would like to make a video request about Queen Min (or Queen Myeongsang) of 19th century Chosan Korea. She was one of the most powerful and ambitious queens who pushed for Korean independence from China, but she met an untimely demise from assassination. I wholly appreciate you if you make a video about her.
There’s actually a video about her already! Search up Royal assassinations
Sounds interesting. I would like a full video of her
I love The Great, as long as you go into it realizing that about the only resemblance it has to history is that there were rulers of Russia named Peter and Catherine. Nicholas Hoult does an amazing job as Peter. I've very rarely gone from vehemently rooting for a character's murder to rooting for him to live (and back and forth several times) in the space of a season or two. It's definitely not everyone's cup of tea, but it's firmly on my guilty pleasure list!
and the architecture & Fashion are time-accurate as well
hope you "love" the series showing all american presidents as pedos, as as in fact case with all of usa's founders and everyone on mount rushmore. and funny how americans love those pedos.
I also find the parts where Peter is insisting on spending time with Catherine while she’s pregnant so he can “co-parent” funny. There’s fighting and shooting going on and Peter’s like, “hi Paul. Daddy loves you.” Then he’s wearing Paul as a newborn and is kind of a house husband. It’s so silly, because it takes some modern ideas and puts them in 18th century context. Plus, Catherine tries to be rational and everyone is like, “that’s weird.”
Catherine deserves the title of the Great.
I love it when I open TH-cam and there’s new stuff from history teatime
He. Set. Fire. To. His. Own. House...
That is loyalty!
That’s a loyal man. Respectable.
Yes! Tell them! It irks me everytime pple criticize historical dramas for their inaccuracy yet it's only just meant for fun. Why do pple waste time fact-checking instead of enjoying a good show?
Bridgerton Queen Charlotte literally had a written disclaimer at the beginning warning that it’s “fiction based on fact” and there were STILL a ton of people complaining that it wasn’t historically accurate. People are really frustrated that a show that begins with the narrator saying it wasn’t historically accurate was … historically inaccurate 😂
They are very clear that it is not accurate. I love The Great
26:33 Not quit. It's a much longer story. In 1795 was the third partition of Poland. Before that, there were two more in 1772 and 1793. Maria Theresa took part in only one in 1772. She died in 1780. So she might have had a little problem taking part in the third. It was a hard time. We Poles had quite a difficult "friendship" with Catharine II... :D
Listening to that part about her having affairs with much younger men, I was like 'What in the Leonardo DiCaprio is going on here?'.
Magnificent video as always Lindsay! Catherine is one of my favorite rulers of all time and you sure made her incredible story and love life justice!
I have to watch one of your videos every night before I fall asleep because I love them and they relax me so much. Thank you!!
After our dearest Lindsay graced us Europeans with her visit, she uploads a great video about Catherine the Great. Thanks for the work you put into it. A wonderful video, as always.
Her son was Peter’s. That’s why she hated him so much. Plus look at the portraits it’s his son.
Thanks!
Lindsay, you've been firing on all cylinders with these videos lately! 🔥
When I heard her son’s playmate. I was like ‘what?!’.
Do you know about the 2014 TV series Ekaterina? I think it paints a more accurate picture, though of course, it's also a drama. I especially liked how the first season also portrays Peter's own complex issues, which makes one almost feel sorry for him. It's really quite interesting
do you know where I could watch it?
@@faelosopherTubi TV
The only thing good about his dementia is forgetting how Catherine took the gem and then sent him on his way 🤣
Like Jennifer Lopez has done to Ben Affleck, twice. 😉
Belated welcome back🌸☮️
If Catherine's husband was truly impotent and couldn't biologically father a child, then that would mean that as far as the actual bloodline goes, no other tsars after that would have been true Romanovs by blood - only by name.
I would hate to think that the 300 year Romanov dynasty actually biologically ended after her husband died. In royalty, lineage and bloodlines are crucial.
Even though Paul I wasn't the biological son of Peter III, he & his descendants can still claim the Russian throne through Catherine because Catherine had deposed Peter & was publicly acclaimed as monarch. The son of the person who became monarch by deposing the predecessor does have a legitimate claim to the throne. If Paul was truly illegitimate, then the House of Holstein-Gottorp-Romanov would be actually the House of Catherine.
Ahh yes, inbreeding. That’s what ended that Hapsburgs.
To be fair, there have been more than enough cousins available to restore that bloodline via incest in future generations.
@@anubratabit3027 As stated in my original post, I was talking about the actual BLOODLINE. A long time ago, bloodlines were very important to royals. Catherine the Great was a Romanov in name only. She wasn't part of the Romanov bloodline.
Today, I guess lineage and bloodlines aren't all that important, but they certainly were important during Catherine's time.
Her great-grandson, Alexander II, remarked that if Paul was Peter's son he was delighted, as it meant the Imperial family was legitimate, and if Paul was Saltykov's son he was delighted, as it meant the family was truly Russian. Shows how seriously they took the idea. I personally don't know: for all the historical sources, including Catherine herself, claiming Peter was impotent, wasn't Paul's father, etc., he looked and acted SO much like Peter. It's a little too much of a coincidence for me that Paul somehow inherited the face and personality of the one person everyone says couldn't be his father. 🤔
Hope you do more "many lovers" videos!!❤❤❤
Thank you Lindsay!🥰
Thanks for the upload.
Ella Fanning who played her and Dakota fanning are sister’s! I was shocked to read this because she has a great British accent.
Was watching The Great and didn't want to burn out on it.. so I watched an episode of Law & Order ...Elle was just a little girl in it. Such a huge shift. She's always been a great actress
Great video! I learned so many new facts about her ❤👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Delightful! So well done. 😊
So good. Could you do a video about the two wives of Paul I, Natalia and Maria. They are so interesting!
Fantastic Video. I actually want to go and watch "The Great" now!
The story that Peter III was impotent is likely false. He may have had phimosis and after an operation was able to perform the sexual act. In the final edition of Catherine's memoirs, she admitted that Peter was the father of Paul after all.
Well he looks just like her first lover… so
Oh yeah. Huge fan of her, Russia's greatest Empress sure knew what she wanted and how to get it.😉😉
There's a good light-hearted but informative take on Catherine's life in the recently published POTTED PORTRAITS book.
Great video! I kind of wish the show had more of these lovers in it. The constant on off with Peter got tiring very soon.
As Mae West said: "Catherine...was great"
It’s such a good story! Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. Honestly, I’d be more interested in seeing the original.
Probably my favourite video to date Lindsay ❤
“Handsome” lovers. None in those paintings were good looking😂
Exactly. Those 18th century painters really did a number on everyone they drew. No one comes out looking good in their work. Either that or everyone in the Russian upper classes was an over dressed fugly. 😂
@@user-wg3sz9fr2z agreed!😂
@@s.h.7613 Someone above wrote that 'there's not a chin to be found' in any of these portraits. 😁 Wonder what the subjects of the paintings had to say back in the day.
It’s important to remember that portraits were mostly not very realistic until the late 1800’s, but they captured the basic appearance of the subject.
The town of Zerbst in present-day Saxony-Anhalt in Germany, where Catherine came from, is my dad's home town.
This geographical connection to Catherine is one of the few bits of pride he allows himself :)
I really like this video it’s got great knowledge that we all should know. I want to watch more videos like this.
Fun fact Stanisław was one of the worst King of PLC in history . He spent a lot of money for his lovers and many people in PLC want to kill or do something to him .
lets not forget he had debt for 40mln pln
Yes and he was bad diplomat and politician too
This was gold
Patempkin was in love with her, he stayed with her the whole time.
Love your channel!
Omg the face 8:56 That’s the feeling. I’ve emptied myself of EVERYTHING including a tiny human.
Like some of those Elizabeth I movies, they didn't have to make up stories about the Empress Catherine when her own life was interesting and entertaining enough to keep viewers engaged.
Awesome! Im so excited to watch this.
Loved this Ty 🎉
There was a miniseries in the early 1990s that was more historically accurate than the new show with a terrific cast. It was called Young Catherine with Julia Ormond as Catherine/Sophie along with greats like Vanessa Redgrave, Christopher Plummer and many other notable talents. I highly recommend it if you can find it to watch. I wish we could get it re-released. It’s a must watch.
Amazing episode Lindsay. I'd love to see a video on Catherine Cornaro, the last monarch of Cyprus since I noticed you have an image of her on your History Tea Time logo but I don't think you've done a video on her yet. I'm sure your aware of just how interesting a life she had from her time as Queen Consort, Regent and eventual troublesome reign of Cyprus as Monarch.
I HATE 😡🤬 EMPRESS ELIZABETH AND ELIZABETH !
@@savagedarksider2147What does Empress Elizabeth & Elizabeth (not sure exactly who you are referring to here) have to do with Catherine Cornaro of Cyprus?
22:45
Ain't he thr composer's ancestor?
Hmmm. Historians generally agree that Paul was indeed Peter's true son. Contemparies of the day noted Paul's undenial resemblance to his father (Peter), particularly as he grew older, as well as their similar personalities.
I love this channel..ur voice is absolutely perfect for a history lesson...beautiful, clear voice..👏👏👌👍
*YOUR
It has elements of vocal fry.
@@FlamsteretteAgreed. To my ears, it has more than elements. It's unmistakable there's no reprieve. Every interesting thumbnail makes me think ::sigh:: how long can I listen to this one without wanting to scream?
@@user-wg3sz9fr2z She has great content, but as shown in her Coronation videos, she doesn't ALWAYS sound like that. Get back to your normal everyday voice.
Loved this video!
This was a great video! Catherine is definitely an interesting person.
Lmao the fact that they pretended he died of HEMORRHOIDS is HILARIOUS.
The humming at the end of every sentence was too excruciatingly painful and annoying to listen to. I couldn’t get past the 1:30 mark. It sounds too much like the Kardashians talk with the mmmmm at the end of nearly every word.
Can you please do a video on The Duchess of Devonshire Georgiana Spencer or Cavendish? Her life fascinates me because she was stuck in such a horrible situation.
I don’t know why they changed so much in the show the great, when the true story’s so good ❣️
can you make a vid about stanislaw august poniatowski? he was one of the wors kings of poland and one of her lovers!
I think you should revisit the show again now that is is over. I'd love your take on the whole thing.
Died from a bout of hemorrhoids. 😂
The Russian show, Catherine the Great, is much more accurate to the tel life events and is honestly worth watching
If you look at most 18th Century Monarchs they are all fairly extreme characters. Catherine is no exception.
Hi Lindsay! What do you to for an upcoming video topic on history of royals balcony appearances? 🙂 I appreciate you!
Please also do a video on Empress Elizabeth Petrovna!!
That show is one of the cutest shows ever!!!
Thinking to do on the video of Russian Tarsina consort?
1:20 That’s not true everyone said Paul looked exactly like his dad and behaved like him as well. Paul was definitely Peter’s son. She had 2 kids with other men though and Peter really didn’t seem to care much.
Well, it took 5 mins until I heard so many historical inaccuracies that I couldn't go on watching. That is this channel done for me then.
Peter was not impotent. He had a mistress and if impotent she would definitely have stated that. Let’s face it, the Russian court then was not exactly subtle and secretive
If its any consolation the lady who creates the horse rumor in the show gets shot by a noble turned serf turned noble again
YOU'RE ALWAYS AWESOME BLOSSOM 🏵️🌼🌻💐🌷🍀🌺
The Great is a fun show but it is pretty fun how opposite the characters were from the real people. Catherine is a great bit less competent in the show but also a lot more sympathetic (they show her as pro-freedom of religion when actually Peter was nicer to the religious minorities and she was quite antisemitic)
Though it is thought that Paul was indeed the son of Peter 3rd. He was militaristic and had the same attitude as Peter.
Could you make a video on Isabel the second of Spain would love to learn more about her!!
Excellent video! Do you think you could do one for Empress Elizabeth?
I would love if you did a video on Princess Diana
@17:36 Funny my wife also appointed me ‘Gentlemen of the Chamber Bed’🤓
Maybe she’s a descendent of Catherine’s🤓
“They brutally beat him…”
Oh, that was an intense game of cards.
“…blinding him in one eye.”
Oh.
If she had been a man it wouldn’t have been scandalous. It would have been business as usual.
Let the thunder of victory rumble!
Russian pride is running high!
Russia’s glory sparkles brighter,
We have humbled Muslim might!
Chorus:
Glory be to thee for this, O Catherine!
Glory be to thee for this, O Catherine!
Gentle mother of us all!
Gentle mother of us all!
Glory be to thee for this, O Catherine!
Gentle mother of us all!
The flowing waters of the Danube,
Are grasped within our firm hands
Caucasus respects our power,
Russia rules Crimean lands.
Turkish-Tatar hordes no longer
Shall disturb our calm domain,
Proud Selim shall not be stronger,
Evermore as the crescent wanes.
(Chorus)
Groans of Sinai are repeated,
Around the world are heard perforce,
Envy and enmity are defeated,
Turn to poison at the source.
Make the most of every triumph,
And soon our foes shall see;
That Russia reaches ever higher,
Over the highest mountains and deepest seas.
(Chorus)
Brilliant Empress, gaze at visions,
And behold a woman great,
In thy thoughts and thy decisions,
As one heart we all partake!
See the grand cathedrals’ splendor,
Contemplate our strength and grace!
See thy subjects’ hearts surrender,
As they look upon thy face!
Glory be to thee for this, O Catherine!
Glory be to thee for this, O Catherine!
Gentle mother of us all!
Gentle mother of us all!
Glory be to thee for this, O Catherine,
Gentle mother of us all!
i wish more people watched this show, its sooo good!!
Wow a true queen! She really got her lick back lol😂
looooove the great
Glad that Katherine took the thrown from her husband, he didn't seem like king material at all. And after one useless king I don't blame her for not marrying again
I love The Great too.
I lost it when you called him an Imbecil 😂😂😂😂